What is Kingdom Hearts?

>>323936224
a video game on PS2

Something that prints money or I guess I should say munny.

>>323936224
LIGHT

>>323936224
A collaboration between Square Enix and Disney made by Tetsuya Nomura and prints money for the mouse

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>>323936770

Fan service.

>>323936224
The greatest game ever made.

>>323936224
The triforce of the game.

>>323936224

I'm pretty sure Micky used Holy and Sora thought it was light.

I don't think anyone knows yet.

Just waiting for Sora to pull a madoka and sacrifice himself (join with kingdom hearts or whatever) to make everything go away, then meaningful distance stares from the cast and then credits

Kingdom Hearts is probably actually corrupted by darkness or some shit. It'll be revealed that Kingdom Hearts is the source of all the heartless and darkness in the universe. They'll have a big "we were fighting for the darkness all along!??!?!?!" moment and then later cure Kingdom Hearts with the power of friendship.

The most nauseauting combination ever pandering to the most nauseating people ever.

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Damn it, I want to see what kind of keyblades 3 is gonna have.

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>323937154
YOU LIKE KIND OF GAY

KINGDOM HEARTS...
IS SANCTUARY

>>323937154
YOU DONT HEAR ME SAY

>>323937114
So it's your favorite series?

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CUM GUARDIAN~

>>323936224
We'll find out in KH3.

>>323937445
SUBMIT.

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Ok, just a hint. I don't want to look up on how to beat him as I didn't need too with the others.

>>323937594
Keep moving, Data Anti-Sora likes to be up your ass if Vexen manages to use him.

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>>323937445

>>323937594
hit him until he dies

>>323937743
I miss those

>>323936224
A miserable pile of key-crits

>>323937058
But since it's a Disney game, his gracious act of light will allow him to keep his physical form.

>>323937594
Fire will fuck him up I believe

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>>323937725
>>323937769

Just beat him without looking at what you guys said. But thanks.

>>323937369
IIIII, LIKE 3D GIRLS

>>323938086
good job

>>323937369
PLEASE,OH BABY DON'T GO

>>323937594
Which one is this?

pc port?

>>323938278
Vexen.

>>323938086
>that face
Time for a Dong edit.

>>323937743

This image has always been too fucking perfect

>>323936224
No one knows, not even Nomura

>>323937369
>>323937154
>>323938258
>not superior nippon version

>>323938372
No, which game.

>>323938742
KH2: Final Mix

It's Star Wars with the force turned into keyblades.

>>323938647
>not the superior remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZdLbiF9gCo

KH always struck me as a game that only 'that' kid could come up with.

"YEAH MAN MY DAD TOLD ME THERE'S THIS GAME COMING OUT AND IT HAS DONALD DUCK AND LITTLE MERMAID AND SEPHIROTH"

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I'm playing through 2 again, and it just hit me that Mickey acted totally normal when he met Xehanort while he was still Ansem's apprentice. I might be remembering BBS wrong, but shouldn't Mickey have known who Xehanort was? Why wouldn't he stop and think about the coincidence of old Xehanort and Terra disappearing when Ansem gets a new apprentice who is also named Xehanort and looks like the two combined?

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>>323938647
>Thinking any part of the Japanese dub for KH is good

I mean only Riku's voice was better in Japanese, come on.

>>323939043
I don't think anyone other than Aqua and Braig know who Xehanort is. Probably Yen Sid but he probably kept that a secret from Mickey.

>>323939043
He hardly met Terra in BBS and I think with the skin and hair colour change. Little things can make someone not recognizable for a second.

>>323939043
Honestly, it's probably best to just ignore the spin-off bullshit at this point and focus on the main series.

>>323938809
Shit.

I played KH 2 but I don't remember this at all.

>>323939252
>spin-off bullshit
Oh anon

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>>323939258
That's because it's the Final Mix version.
>>323939252
>spin-off
>main series
Oh boy, you dun fucked up now.

>>323939258
Yeah, the Final Mix version is filled to the brim with extra boss fights. End game and post-game is extremely fun because of that.

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>>323939252
>Spinoff

>>323939258
Get KH 2.5 remix. It's harder than vanilla KH2 and has more stuff.

>>323936224
A miserable pile of shit

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>>323939227
This also reminds me that Yen Sid is a fucking asshole who could have prevented tons of shit but didn't bother getting out of his chair

>>323939249
Still shouldn't the name have been enough? I don't think Xehanort is that common of a name to have
Until now that there are 13 of them

>>323939330
BbS is the only one worth mentioning. Chain of Memories didn't impact shit, and Coded, 358/2, and Dream Drop Distance are more moneygrubbing than actual plot advances.

>>323939721
>3D
>no plot advances
Did you not finish that game? The whole last section of the game advances the overall plot.

>>323939721
Thanks for letting us know you didn't play any besides BBS.

>Chain of Memories didn't impact shit
Top kek it sets up 2s prologue just like Re:Coded sets up DDD

>>323939721
Except Chain of Memories did impact stuff.

>>323939817
Yeah I played through it, dark 13 and light 7 time travel shit at the end. Shit's gonna be summarized in a nice HD cutscene at the start of 3, so there's pretty much no point.

>>323940114
That doesn't mean that the game didn't advance the plot. It had to put it down in order for it to be recapped in 3. Don't be obtuse.

>>323939721
Yeah Chain of Memories didn't impact shit expect the part about vastly altering Sora's memory, putting him in a coma for a fucking year, exposing the Organization's goals and internal conflicts, killing half of them, and explain everything that happened to Riku and his overly complicated struggle with the darkness.

>>323936860
This guy made no sense, I'm glad he's dead.

YES HE DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!

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>>323940114

I guess the First game doesn't matter since it's summarized in 2 in Jimmy's Journal and character dialogue, which also doesn't matter since it's gonna be recapped in 3 as well.

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>>323940359
>Implying people die in Kingdom Hearts

So is this series worth getting into?

>>323936224
>>323936986
You know it just occurred to me that the door from KH is clearly just the door to the realm of darkness, not Kingdom Hearts. Ansem believed Kingdom Hearts was hidden in the realm of darkness as per the legend -- that or he just thought the realm of darkness WAS Kingdom Hearts and that the legend was either wrong and/or sugarcoating it. Regardless, his reasoning was perfectly sound. It wasn't a matter of perspective, or believing, or "MUH FRIENDSHIP," there was literally no reason why anything other than darkness should've come out of that door. Except, I guess, Mickey.

>>323940583
Yes.

Most naysayers have either just picked up the meme of it being shit or just played 1 & 2 and then complain about the story.

>>323940583
I would say yes, just don't have high hopes for the games made by the Osaka division team.

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>>323937216

lmao

>>323940583
The series is pretty fun, emulate the games or get the HD ReMixes, play in release order.

>>323940583
The reason why I love it is because it has cool action combined with hilariously convoluted but fun to follow plot and memorable characters.
If you can get past or even enjoy its childish nature, just don't take it too seriously and it's an absolute blast.

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>>323940359
>Eraqus
>Dead
>>323940734
Welcome to 10 years ago.

>People think CoM wasn't important

>>323940458
The difference is KH1 had about 10 hours of plot and dialogue (that wasn't even summarized entirely in the journals). The entirety of the DS spinoffs contribute about 5 minutes worth.

"you are poopsies" what did they mean by this?

>>323940741
But there was nothing wrong with the story.

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Is there a better action rpg than Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix?

>>323940350
>exposing the Organization's goals
CoM didn't have anything about the nobodies or the heart shaped moon made up of hearts, or anything about Xehanort's secret vessels.
CoM was about that one part of the Orgy13 being traitorous morons who had to be killed, and the rest of the Orgy13 were left vague and undefined.

>>323941135
Maybe Dragon's Dogma is arguable.

>>323940956
I'm convinced that anon is legit autistic.
>>323940583
I think it's a fun series.

>>323941135
I love KH to death, but DMC3 has more entertaining gameplay.

>>323941135

I wish they would have toned down some of the hyper-activity of some of the combo finishers in some of the forms.

Like, I push one button to finish the combo, and fucking fireworks go off for ten seconds as I bounce around the whole stage. I'm not saying go back to KH1's "one button press = one swing", but they went a little overboard in KH2.

>>323940350
CoM was retconned-in exposition so that the stuff with nobodies and the organization in II would make sense. The only actual impact it made was the part about Sora being in a coma, and even then that literally didn't do anything except make Sora older.

All of the spinoffs are like this -- the main story runs out of characters/conflicts to explore(or at least Nomura thinks they do for some reason -- its not like we STILL haven't heard an explanation for the keyblade war, the origins of keyblades, the way the splitting of the worlds affected the various kingdoms/cultures, what the world was like before the split, why keyblades take the form they do, what Kingdom Hearts actually is...I could go on) so he retcons in a bunch of crap about how Xehanort is somehow still alive, seven lights and thirteen darknesses, a bunch of new characters with tragic histories that we have to save for some reason.

>>323941368
DMC3 isn't an ARPG though.

>>323941368
But that's not an action rpg, that's a character action game

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I beat KHI for the first time yesterday, but I've played most of the others.

Do people seriously think 1 is better than 2?

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>>323941260
big boy game talking about poopsies ayyyyyyyyyyylmao

>>323941482
no idea but i remember an anon saying KHII Sephiroth was harder than KHI Sephiroth

>>323941482
1 is tighter, in that sometimes I like sitting down and running through it in a day. 2 is the better game but sometimes I prefer 1 depending on my mood

>>323941197
Well there's another game about the other part of the Orgy.

>>323941436
You don't understand what aretcon is and you don't understand build up. None of the games are spin offs, they all build on the story in one way or the other.

Is anyone else disappointed that the Days movie in 1.5 didn't show Roxas kicking the shit out of Saix?

>>323941436
Alright, this seems to come up in every KH thread and seems to stem from people straight up not paying attention. But I'll bite, what retcons?
>spinoffs
Stop.
>>323942090
Yep.

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>>323939043

>xion's face is hidden

I rate 13/13 well memed

>>323941027
People continuously complain how nothing makes sense in KH2 when they've skipped CoM story completely.

>>323936224
An autism detector

>>323941482
1 more closely follows the classic Square template -- there's more exploration/puzzles, the worlds actually tie in to the main story, the original mythos with Kingdom Hearts and the heartless and Ansem actually had potential and wasn't just a "orignl chrrctr donut steel" clusterfuck, the animations and world design were actually a mix of disney/cartoon style and anime flair, etc.

The second game is pretty much just a game. It "improves" on the first, but only by knocking out the middle making it either stupidly easy or the kind of thing only autists enjoy. It started all the fuckery with the plot, pretty much got rid of exploration/platforming, the worlds had nothing to do with anything, all the animations and effects are like 80% over-the-top stylish and only 20% endearing cartoon style.

>>323936224
Why does Mr. Game & Watch suddenly have ears?

>>323942295
My only problem is that they're out of order.
>
Who?

>>323936906
Top fucking kek

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>>323941615
>running through KH1 in a day

How the fuck. That shit is close to 20 hours.

>>323942649
Anon, what is this all white picture supposed to mean?

>>323942649
Was there supposed to be something here?

I know now...

Without a doubt...

That Kingdom Hearts....

Is beyond saving.

>>323941586
>any aspect of Kingdom Hearts being difficult

Level 1 Critical Mode is the only way to make the game hard.

Fuck, I actually used Sephiroth to grind to Level 100 in KH1.

>>323942040
Congratulations, you're technically correct(the best kind of correct). Yes, the spinoffs don't actually "retcon" anything because they don't change anything that's already been established(for the most part). However, when you introduce a completely new, pervasive plot element like Nobodies or the Organization, or even the fact that Yen Sid apparently used to be a keyblade master(which is closer to an actual retcon imo), with no foreshadowing, it strains suspension of disbelief and screws with theming. Sure, it's plausible that unless the Organization started intervening directly Sora would've never encountered a nobody, and sure you could say that Yen Sid never had a reason to talk about his past, but those defenses are weak when you consider that we're talking about a fucking WORK OF FICTION. All the elements are supposed to fit together into a thematic whole -- suddenly introducing elements has less to do with "realism," or whatever-the-fuck, than it has to do with having clear symbolism and clean narrative arcs.

>>323942778
Not at all. There's a trophy to beat the game in under 15, and I beat it in around 8, most cutscenes included.

All joking aside, what do you fellow KHfags think Kingdom Hearts itself will be?
My guess is, when Xehanort opens it up in 3 (because of course it will happen), some cliche anime nonsense about learning the error of his ways becaue of how beautiful Kingdom Hearts is.
Either that, or he opens it up, and fucking nothing happens. He'll have wasted the better half of his entire life/lives for absolutely nothing.

>>323941397
You can turn them off.

>>323941135
Tales of Vesperia is a close second to me.

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When does 2.8 come out? I can't wait to play King DDD on PS4.

>>323943393
Only thing we know is 2016 and that was in the JP trailer.

>>323943393
I'm expecting April or May.

>>323943209
Kingdom Hearts is actually in us all along.

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>>323943328
I really do think Tales has the number 2 slot on lock. Vespy is a good pick too

I hope Star Ocean 5 doesn't suck

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>>323937743

>>323943393
Speaking of 3D, why exactly did Sora and Riku de-age in the dreamworld? I don't remember that ever being explained. And it's obvious they're younger because they still have the models from 2, where they're taller and slightly bulkier.

>>323943185
>keyblade master(which is closer to an actual retcon imo),
Explain further.

>tfw most of /v/ is too young to remember this commercial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvTWohCFjI

>>323937129
Lightsaber keyblade never ever

>>323943185
Nobodies were hinted at I'm 1FM, Yen Sid being a Keyblade Master definitely isn't close to being a retcon and if you have a hard time suspending your sense of disbelief over little things like that it's your problem, KH isn't grounded in realism.

>>323943770
So that they could forget their self-taught training, which is kind of funny because both still play the exact same way. Except for maybe Riku's version of the command styles.

>>323943808
>tfw played KH1 when I was 11
>tfw i'm 25 now.

>>323944186
I'm 24. What are we still doing here, anon?

>>323943948
But why not just use magic to make them forget? I mean, he is Yen Sid, after all.
I really don't understand why they had to de-age.

Just as food for thought, I think KH1 already had a satisfying ending by itself. The story was simple and clean (pun somewhat intended) and it ends on a sad but uplifting note. There really were no cliffhangers in the original story.

If it didn't have any sequels or that stupid secret ending, Kingdom Hearts as a standalone game would have been a masterpiece.

>>323943948
Sora is more magic based in DDD

>>323943695
lol

>>323944186
I just turned 23 last month. I know how you feel. I still love the series and probably will continue to play as long as they're fun to me.
>>323944294
Because Yen Sid is never straight forward.
>>323944339
Eh, true.

probably some strange otherworldly place ala memoria. likely holds the key to life for the kh universe.

>>323944336
The entire ending is a cliff hanger though, even without the secret movie. Riku is gone, Kairi is left on Destiny island and there's a long road where the door to the realm of darkness was. It was set up for sequels from the beginning.

>>323944336
Kingdom Hearts 1 was all a cliffhanger. Do you remember the ending at all?

>>323943896
>Final Mix

Those are just a handful of issues. Also my exact point is that the issues with the story have nothing to do with realism, jesus.

>>323944869
So on to the last point. How is Yen Sid being a keyblade master close to retcon in your opinion.

>>323944869
Your issue is you're overthinking a series meant for children.

>>323941436
>- its not like we STILL haven't heard an explanation for the keyblade war, the origins of keyblades, the way the splitting of the worlds affected the various kingdoms/cultures, what the world was like before the split, why keyblades take the form they do, what Kingdom Hearts actually is...I could go on)
This is supposed to be/is being covered in X/Unchained X/X Back Cover and KH3.

>>323944717
It ends with Donald, Goofy, and Sora all running after Pluto who has a note from Mickey. I wouldn't call that a cliffhanger really though. It ends with them all smiling and being like "Let's go on another adventure you guys!" I view that as a nice ending, especially considering the letter amounted to nothing. It's similar to KH2's ending, which would have worked just as well.

But Enix just has to keep milking the poor thing.

>>323944294
He used their need for training as a way to air out some dirty laundry in the form of the sleeping worlds, it was a rushed job since he couldn't spend years training them like Eraqus did with TVA.

>>323945320
Nigger that is the very definition of a cliffhanger, hell KH2 also had a cliffhanger.

>>323945320
Sora still had to go look for Riku and the King.
>>323945324
I feel like that would have fucked them up even more. Yen Sid and Eraqus seem borderline incompetent.

Can we all agree that whacking horrible monsters in the face with a giant key is unexpectedly very satisfying?

>>323945442
Nah, I think Eraqus was in the right place. Really, destroying Ventus would have stopped a lot of shit from happening. Sora and Riku already had experience and Yen Sid used that to speed up their training.

>>323941135
TWEWY, at least for me

>>323936224
Are there any parallels between Star Wars and Kingdom Hearts? My mind is kinda trying to make a few connections but I'm too drunk to realize the full thing...
Aren't keyblade wielders kinda like Jedi masters?
Isn't Xeahnort kinda similar to Darth Sidious puling the strings from behind and ploting evil? There was a great war when a lot of Jedi/keyblade wielders died, and now there's only a few left. The masters travel to many worlds trying to rid the darkness and stuff. Xehanort seduces Terra by showing him the powers of the darkside/darkness. Like the starwars series, the first game was simple in it's story, and the prequels are over complicated and stuff. Isn't Mickey kinda like yoda?

>>323945752
Pretty much. BbS is pretty much Star Wars to a T.

>>323945868
Which is made even funnier since Mark Hamil is in it

>>323945915
dude, really?? I didn't knew that. LOL

>>323945417
Did you even read my post. I didn't view Mickey's letters as setting up another adventure, more as "we're three friends and we're gonna stick with each other!" That's a satisfying conclusion. Hell, remember when Riku said "take care of her." As though it was a grand sacrifice and he'd never see them again? It's almost as though Nomura had no vision of a sequel.

>>323945676
I meant more so in the fact that both of them have the amazing ability to withhold information.
>>323945915
That was intentional. Apparently Nomura wanted Spock and Luke to oppose each other in a pseudo Star Wars/Star Trek thing.

>Kingdom Hearts is light!
>Door opens, light explodes out
>The light destroys Ansem
>Everyone looks in the door
>It's a very dark place full of heartless

So... Ansem was right? Did he forget to check the door for traps?

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MUH HEART ANDN LIGHT N DARKNESS AND MY FRIENDS

>shitty writing the game

>>323946016
Eraqus is played by Mark Hamill. Old Master Xehanort was played by Leonard Nimoy.
>>323946067
What opened at the end of KH1 was the Door to Darkness, KH was just shining bright from within it.

>>323946016
Leonard Nimoy voicing Xehanort is also a bit of a lel.

>>323946067
That was probably just Kingdom Hearts telling Xehanorts Heartless to fuck off

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>>323944186
>Played KH1 when I was 8
>I'm 19

>>323946067
No no no, don't you see. There's light in the darkness!

But light also can't live darkness. And there's darkness in the light.

Basically Square Enix writes themselves into plotholes and gets out of them by spouting cliches.

>>323945320
It ends with Sora, Donald, and Goofy left behind after the worlds were saved, wandering aimlessly, with no idea where they are or how to return home, Riku and Mickey were still left in the realm of darkness, and SDG ran after Pluto because that was the only lead they had and that could probably help them get to Mickey.
I don't know how you don't see the cliffhanger there.

>>323945272
I haven't looked into it much, but as far as I'm aware even X doesn't properly explain the war, it's just a bunch of crap about "foretellers" and some traitor and it all smacks of yet another "but remember that guy who was supposed to be the bad guy? well actually it turns out there's an even ANCIENT-ER guy who's actually the bad guy!" as if that somehow explains anything or adds anything interesting to the story

>>323945106
>durr children are sooo dum guyz
This is why we can't have nice things. Besides, my whole point IS that the writing sucks. It's wasted potential, sure, but I'm perfectly happy to ignore it in favor of gameplay. It's when autists come in and try to defend it or argue that there aren't obvious ways to improve it that sets me off.

tales gets trolled: the video game series

>>323947994
That's because X is not finished and is an on-going thing.

Are you gonna answer why you think Yen Sid being a Keyblade Master is a retcon?

>>323948173
>trip fag saying retarded, irrelevant shit
What a surprise.

>>323948173
Filtered

>>323936224
A land for those who have none so basically the world from epic mickey just not ruined.

>>323944336
kingdom hearts 1 plays like shit

>>323940583
yes.

>>323948367
Please tell me how the comparison isn't apt and explain to me why Kingdom Hearts isn't cringeworthy dreck

>>323949315
I will as soon as you stop saying buzzwords and tell me exactly what the problem is.

>>323949395
Kingdom Hearts is the same as Tails Gets Trolled because both series have characters with solid backgrounds saying and doing things that don't fit with their personality. It feels cheap and degrades everything it touches. It does have some charm, but it is trash culture created to make huge sums of money from idiots like you who get excited over Mickey Mouse wearing all black and wielding a sword. PS fuck you/suck my dick

>>323949986
So basically it doesn't appeal to you and you hate it? Why didn't you just say that and leave?

>>323950212
Because he has to get those (You)s somehow. Also, how new are you? /v/ has always had cancer like that.

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So shouldn't Tidus be a nobody, since he doesn't exist and all?

>>323949986
You type like you're 5 years old

>>323950589
Tidus has other things to worry about, like getting his head blown off.

>>323950608
better than playing video games marketed towards five year olds

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>>323950709

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BBS has to have the most dull gameplay in the series.

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I'm currently playing through Kingdom Hearts 1 on pcsx2 and downloaded 2, I've heard 2's final mix is better but where can I find the best English version/patch?
Also, how much you wanna bet on a Zootopia world in 3

>>323950709
It LOOKED like a Blitzball though

>>323950861
(You)

>>323946220
>xehanorts heartless

I'll assume he was Ansem first since he was on KH1. So why the fuck did Nomura think it was necessary to make ANOTHER one. What the fuck does that add?

>>323950909
Tell that to Tidus' detached head. Quick, before someone mistakes that for a Blitzball too.

>>323950879
I would count on star wars or marvel before that. imagine what they could do with marketing if they were in game.

>>323951010
Ansem, SoD took Ansem the Wise's name pretty much to be a dick. Chronologically in game Ansem the Wise was first.

>>323951098
But chronologically in the real world DARKNESS was first. Which means Nomura had to go and say "he's going to take his name and confuse everyone for no reason at all"

>>323951183
Don't know what to tell then anon. The Xehanorts are assholes.

>>323951068
>Marvel
I wouldn't even care about the superhero shit, just give me a scene of Donald meeting Howard the Duck

>>323951068
>imagine what they could do with marketing if they were in game
The same thing they do with the other Disney franchises. Just retell one of the movies, throw in some heartless, and call it a world.

>>323951183
He didn't take it to confuse people he took it to insult him.

>>323939135
>Only Riku's

And like half of Org XIII, but aside from that yeah, english is better

Japanese Genie sounds more like Robin Williams than Dan Castellaneta does

>>323951409
KH1 didn't repeat the movie's stories.

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Another thing, where does Yen Sid go during the entirety of 2? You finish up talking with him at the tower and then POOF he disappears in a flash of light. What the fuck was that about

>>323951642
He had some more information to not divulge.

>>323940539

Repliku is dead forever

>>323951642
Probably to check up on things since he reveals in a secret ending of one of the games that they need more keyblade wielders for whats coming.

>>323941436
>ts not like we STILL haven't heard an explanation for the keyblade war

Isn't that what Kairi's grandmother's story is about?

>>323940539
Why are they on a bed?

>>323943328
>Tales of Vesperia is a close second to me.

Yeah if you can play at Omega's level.

>>323951904
It can't die if it was never alive anon

>>323952113
My first thought is "that sounds like a Marvel teaser". My second thought was of captain America appearing at the end credits of a KH game.

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>>323938647
Nigga that shit was so bad even Japan wanted the dub.

>>323952195
Yep.
>>323952270
That artist has a lot of doujins where Sora is Riku's Official cocksleeve.

>>323952339
What if the key blade winds up like mjolnir and only thor can wield it.

>>323941436
Can we retcon away BBS' retarded Anakin Skywalker esque explanation for why Sora and Riku are important?

>>323952330

Repliku isn't like who

He was his own person and was a fully-functioning clone of Riku who was in no way part of an experiment to keep Sora asleep. Vexen basically made him for shits and giggles.

Hell he hated the real Riku for being what he saw as weak and scared. Then Larxene had Namine rewrite his brain and all he became was not-Riku.

>>323952705
He's the same as a toaster. His life was artificial and programmed.

Are we about to go down the AI rabbit hole here

>>323948237
Basically this >>323951868

>Yen Sid as just a wise, powerful magician
-Doesn't have specific advice to offer Sora regarding the keyblade and how to use it
-Has some awareness of Ansem SoD and Xemnas, possibly even Xehanort, but as it's all hearsay and conjecture he's not sure and has little reason to pass on this knowledge regardless
-Makes sense that he would just stay in his tower because he's still a regular guy despite having access to some higher knowledge, reminiscent of figures like Triton in the original game

>Yen Sid as a keyblade master
-Has specific, potentially life-saving/world-changing knowledge and expertise that he deliberately hides from Sora until it's convenient to the plot(when he administers the Mastery Exam)
-Knows all about Xehanort and Terra/Aqua/Ventus, yet never tries to follow up when Aqua mysteriously disappears. Also either never suspects that "Ansem"/Xemnas are related to Xehanort or again deliberately withholds crucial information from Sora
-Has the ability and motive to travel between worlds to at least investigate or even contact Sora or, hello, MICKEY, before all the shit hit the fan. Even if he's some frail old guy whose bones are practically dust(which he's implied not to be) the whole story could've changed if he'd just been at a few key locations.

>>323936224
https://youtu.be/FOlPXtXTSXc?t=48
why were these keyblades featured here?

>>323952339
He does say who it is he wants to be the final i just didn't write who he suggested. It's Kairi

So, why is My Sanctuary the greatest intro in the history of vidya?
Seriously, find one that tops it.
You fucking can't
but desu, it's prolly just nostalgia

>>323952970

He's not a robot, he's a clone.

>>323943808
i saw this shit on cnn of all places. this game was heavily marketed which gives validity to my theory that it only sold nd was held in such nostalgia because of the marketing budget.

>>323953172
Simple and clean's intros are better.

>>323953173
How do you program and reprogram a clone's brain? He seems much more akin to a replica

>>323936312
/thread

>>323953172
Simple and Clean > Hikari
Passion > Sanctuary

>>323953172

Simple and Clean > Passion > Sanctuary > Hikari E.

>>323953369
>How do you program and reprogram a clone's brain?

In this case, he was reprogrammed thanks to sorcery. Before that he wasn't anything like Riku, which meant he was a clone only in terms of biology.

>He seems much more akin to a replica

Well no shit, his name is Replica Riku

>>323953369
>much more akin to a replica
That's because he is?

>>323953553

no wait, Hikari E was a One Piece song. Hikari I mean

>>323936986
I could actually see them using that as a plot twist. KH's writing is just that fucking balls to the walls retarded.

>>323937058
This is exactly how it's going to end. You just know it.

Sora will literally become a pacifistic deity.

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>>323953663
It's still a good opening though

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>>323953880
>Beats the shit out of innocent Nobodies with a massive key
>Pacifist
Nice try

>>323954061

you can be a pacifist if the things you're hitting don't exist

>>323939252
>spin-off bullshit
If only, anon
If only

>>323950812
>King void
5 year olds have better ideas than you

>>323954061
>innocent Nobodies
I wouldn't call them innocent.

>>323955046
>Wanting to have a heart is a crime
They dindu nuffin

>>323951014
I chuckled. X-2.5 was the worst thing to happen to the series.

>KH 2 foreshadowing the purchase of star wars IP

welp.

Will we get a Kylo Ren boss in KH3?
TFA is technically Disney original

>>323936224
I pretty much stopped trying to understand the plot around the part of KH1 where you stop doing disney stuff. Shit makes no sense and 2 only made me even more glad I didn't care.

>>323955403
>Shit makes no sense
It's really no that hard.

>>323955362
I'm hopping for at least a bb8 summon

>>323955523
not*

>>323955403
>Shit makes no sense
It's dumb, but it's easy to follow.

>>323936224
Shit

Alright, so as a teen I had only played 1,2, Re:CoM.

Now I went back and replayed 1,2 in the HD collection and Chain of Memories and I have a boatload of questions

1. What do I next? I can either start BBS, watch 358/2 days or ReCoded, or pirate either of those (However I heard they are both shit).

2. I am also going to work on 100%ing KH2 (I just got my endgame save, still need to grind drives/synthesis/Absent Silhouettes/whatever is hidden in Hollow Bastion).

3, Which Twilight Town was the fake one?

4. Finally, What the fuck was that room of reflection inside Castle Oblivion (or The Castle that Never Was) that Xemnas went into. They only reference it once.

I feel confused as fuck. If it werent for the post credits scene with the Letter I would swear up and down KH2 was supposed to be the end of the timeline. The only villains left are Maleficent & Pete (who seem like a non-treat if they even survived the Heartless onslaught/castles destruction) and Xehanort if he is alive.

>>323955523
Here's my understanding of things
>Sora defeats his friend who became evil and also an adult and created an evil version of the island you started the game on at the end of the universe
>He also becomes huge and fuses with a magic demon spaceship of sorts but you kill him and the regular island came back but only Kairi goes back not Sora, he goes to look for Mickey who he just saw get locked inside whatever Kingdom Hearts is along with the guy you just killed who is no longer an adult or gigantic or evil
>2nd game opens playing as someone who looks like Sora but isn't and there is an evil organization of guys in cloaks who are supposedly evil but they don't really do much
>Maleficent isn't dead I guess
>Sora is dead but you do something to bring him back to life and he goes about his adventures through Disney universes like nothing ever happened
>IDK lol I got bored and didn't finish the second game
how is this shit supposed to be easy to follow

>>323955971
1. get watching Days and ReCoded out of the way, I didn't like either of those game's gameplay

2. Good luck

3. The one Roxas had a fake life in

4. I'm guessing that will be covered in 3.

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Is there a world that can even COMPARE to Traverse Town in comfiness?

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Can we have her in Kingdom Hearts please Square?

>>323956567
I prefer Twilight Town tbqh.

>>323956597
Not before Lightning gets her cameo.

>>323956176

You're thinking too hard.

>darkness came from the evil in people's hearts, the light was lost
>Sora is a kid who is granted possession of a weapon because its true wielder fell to darkness
>he saves his friend and defeats the evil that was possessing him
>they all get separated
>Sora loses his memories inside a castle, goes into a sleep for a year
>the Nobody of Sora tries to figure out who is he before he ends up absorbed back into Sora
>Maleficent comes back because people remember she existed, which is typical of oldschool magic
>Sora is told to go stop the Nobody leaders because they're fucking u[ the worlds

>>323956489
>Good luck
How much harder can it be? I'm already at 77% Journal Completion. I figure the hardest part will be the Coliseum because I fucking despise time attack nonsense, especially when the boss keeps flipping his only weak point away from you and then you fail on him 3 times in a fucking row FUCK YOU CERBERUS YOU COCKSUCKER

>>323955971
Only BbS and DDD are necessary to have a grasp on what's going to happen in III. X is also apparently going to be a big deal, so I guess get II.8 if you want to, but I'm guessing a lot of that stuff will be revealed through III anyway, kind of like how you could almost piece together CoM when playing II.

As for gameplay, BbS added a whole bunch of cool yet horrifically overpowered abilities, so if you preferred II's combat, you likely won't like BbS.

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>>323955971
>>323956489
4 is the Chamber of Repose. It's holding Aqua's armor due to the fact that Xemnas has some of Terra's memories.

>>323956489
Also, does that mean Kairi was originally in the Data Twilight Town until Axel comes and takes her away?

>>323956691
>doesn't explain what nobodies are

anon pls

>>323957090
Nobodies are the leftover body and soul when a Heartless is made.

>>323940916
Jesus christ i wish i was that handsome

>>323956875
You're doing this on 2.5 right? I'm talking about all of the extra boss fights.

>>323957007
No, she went to the real one since the Twilight Town trio did say they saw her.

>>323957090

Fine. From the Ansem Reports

>Where does the body go when it seperates from the heart? If the soul remains within the body, is it still considered to be deceased?
>When the heart returns to the Heartless, the physical form disappears. But that is merely true in this world. Perhaps the body exists in another form in another world.
>If that is the case, then it is possible for one to exist in two worlds.
>A being that is neither darkness nor light; belonging nowhere; abandoned by its heart; a mere shell of its former self.
>The relation between the heart and the body is complex. However, I am certain that if your self exists here, then by definition the other cannot truly "exist." The other, the one which does not exist, shall be dubbed,
>"Nobody."

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>>323938468
Just for you anon

>>323957313
Thanks, I'll get some use out of this.

>>323957218
Yeah its 2.5. I know that I have to do the Absent Sillohettes yet, but if there are any more I don't know about them.

>>323957218
Yeah thats what I meant. She is in the data one until Axel comes for here, and she escapes and "appears through the wall". That is also why the computer under the mansion isn't all smashed up until you enter the teleporter.

>>323957283
You know reading it now, Ansem's whole logic behind Nobodies not existing is basically "nu uh, I'm me so they can't be me. They don't exist!"

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>>323957541
>He doesn't know about Lingering Will
You ARE playing on critical, right?

>>323957651
It honestly sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder because of what happened between him and his apprentices. I think at some point he even admits he's been an ass about the whole thing.

>>323957718
N-n-n-no, only Proud. I am sorry ;_;.

I did plan to go back and do Critical one day though. Is the bossfight Critical only?

>>323957770

He wrote this reports before everything went south

>>323957541
>Refight all of Orgy XIII
>Lingering Will
>Sephiroth
>Going through Cavern of Remembrance
>Mushroom XIII
You've got a list.

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>>323957718
Let us pray for his asshole. Terra shall have no mercy.
>>323957921
I thought the KH2 reports were written a little after? I know the ones in KH1 except for the first one weren't written by him.

>>323957938
>Refight of Org XIII
Well thats fucking awesome. I always wanted to fight the Chain of Memories bosses without the gimmick.

>>323958120
>I thought the KH2 reports were written a little after

This is log 13, the last of his original logs. It was only in Final Mix.

>>323936224
i wanted to give you an answer, but i realized that i have no ffucking clue what it was. is it like samsara where all the hearts gather and reincarnate? is it some domain o rthe ultimate power and why is xehanort so obsessed with it what does he want to do with it? i played all games, but i cant think of anything.

>>323957916
The bossfight is not Critical only.

If you play it on Critical, you should see how far you can get with Zero EXP on too.

>>323957916
No you can fight him on proud too, but to 100% the game you need to beat it on critical anyway

Don't feel bad, just consider everything you're doing right now a practice run. Which is fine, because you'll need it

>>323958120
>I know the ones in KH1 except for the first one weren't written by him.
No, he wrote all the odd-numbered reports. "Ansem" wrote the even-numbered ones.

>>323957541
No, she went to the real TT where she met the trio, then Axel came and kidnapped her.
The computer isn't smashed because Roxas smashed the data TT computer, not the real one.

Why would she go to data Twilight Town anyway?

>>323958205
You'll have to find all the absent silhouettes, then go through the gauntlet that is the Cavern of Remembrance (Hope you've been leveling up those drive forms), and then you'll come to a place where you can fight them all all you want.

>>323958242
The 13th Ansem Report in KH1 was still written by Ansem, SoD right? I know Ansem the Wise straight up says he only wrote the 1st one.
>>323958373
Wait, since when?

>>323958317
>The bossfight is not Critical only.

No it isn't, I've fought Terra on Proud. Unless that was PS2 only

>>323958452
I've been kinda leveling them. Ironically the only one maxed is Limit Form (Since it was easiest to grind) and thats the least useful to get through

>>323958467
>Wait, since when?

Didn't he? I mean that makes sense because all the odd ones are written by someone that actually sounds like Ansem while the even-numbered ones were written by a mad scientist.

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You're walking through the club and this fucker Ultima Cannons your girlfriend's ass, what do you do?

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>he picked the sword

>>323958653

Find a new gf because she's most likely dead

Is KHfag here yet?
>>323958639
No, Ansem the Wise says he only wrote the original first report and maybe the second one in KH1. The other ones in KH1/KH1:FM were written by Xehanort's heartless/Ansem, SoD. The Secret Ansem Reports in KH2 are all Ansem the Wise. Where did you get that idea?

>>323958653
Pray that her soul makes it to heaven safely.

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>>323958760
>he gave up the staff

Alright friends so what is the best way to grind out drive forms.

Google hardly helps

I tried to play KH but got bored around alicia's planet.

And there's no zodia kh2 or complete kh2 or whatever that shit was called to download

>>323958653
Ask him why he did that, since my gf isn't tainted by DARKNESS

>>323958964
It's called Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix, and it's great.

>>323958559
You'll need all movement abilites (High Jump, Quick Dash, Air Dodge, Glide) up to level 4 to make it through Cavern of Remembrance.

>>323940734
I thought the light was all of the disappeared worlds being let out of the realm of darkness, which amounted to a whole lot of hearts

I think Kingdom Hearts is just what they call it when a bunch of hearts group together at high density, but it holds different significance to different groups of characters

>>323958960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZZfpA1a4U

>>323958960
Mountain in Mulan for Master
Peddler's in Agrabah for Wisdom
Mansion in Twilight Town for Final

Anywhere for the other 2, they're easy to max

Don't forget to leave the world while still in a form so that you can reenter at max drive gauge

Anyone else like the story and presentation of KH1 more than any of the other games? Also the sense of adventure feels better in it. It's not nostalgia either because I played KH1 and KH2 at around the same time and actually beat KH2 before KH1.

>>323959272
A lot of people agree with you.

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>>323958653
Spam the most broken move in all of Kingdom Hearts.

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>It's a jrpg with Disney characters
Wow, that actually sounds pretty n-
>and Final Fantasy characters
oh

>>323959409
Have a better idea, genius?

>>323959457
>FF characters are minor and purely for cameo purposes
What's the problem?

>>323959439
I fucking hate that heartless and his cousins.

>>323959457
>hates anime
>on an anime imagebaord

>>323959439
That's not KH2 zanetsuken

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>>323959567
No enemy gives me as much PTSD as this fucker

>>323959648
This is a video game imageboard

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>>323959893
>non-completionist fags will never know true tedium

>>323959893
Nothing is as bad as the last wave in the Cavern of Remembrance in terms of generics. Those Nobodies were out for blood.

>>323959439
Having two combo negatives is more broken against Terra, you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoEbzPH8u0

>>323960047
I really, really hate this boss. Fuck this game.

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>>323960070
Nevermind, I forgot this fucker >>323960047 along with Spellican.

>>323959893
What the fuck are you even supposed to do to these, other than sit there and take it

>>323960070
I hope we get something like that in Kingdom Hearts 3. That was an incredible expansion.

>>323960047
>most KH games have ridiculously intense superbosses that seem to be attacking nonstop
>Days's superboss is just a big recolored generic Heartless that sits in place while you run in, hit a combo, and run away over and over again

>>323960195
Thunder magic

>>323960215
I think Cavern of Remembrance is how KH2 should have handled platforming, that shit was fun as fuck

>>323938972
what the fuck is this shit

>>323960185
I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought this guy was bullshit. What a spike

>>323960070
>Dragoons and Creepers
>And Dancers
>And Sorcerers
>And more Dragoons
>And more Dancers
>And more Sorcerers
>And more Dancers
>And more Sorcerers
>And even MORE Sorcerers

>>323960524
Just about everyone hates Spellican.

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>>323960195
Dodge the first charge, Thunder his ass when he winds up for the second charge, either dodge or block/reflect it, Thunder again then go for a 3 hit+finisher keyblade combo.

All this tells me is that none of you have done the LV1 Critical mode challenge.

>>323936224
>What is Kingdom Hearts?
absolute shit.

>>323960772
You ever do LVL1 BBS critical?

>>323960627
>>323960185
Spellican is easy as fuck

>people actually equip combo plus

>>323960986
Yes, PSP version even, they added some bullshit damage bonus to the PS3 version when you use Exp 0, the thing works even if you´re level 99.

Only with Aqua though, Poison, Burn, Sleep, Mini and Magnega are your best friends here.

>>323961084
I didn't say he was hard. He's annoying as hell though.

>>323961230
>He's annoying as hell
not even I found the mole nigga more annoying

>>323961353
And that is ultimately a difference in opinion.

>>323961203
>people actually equip dodge slash

>>323961763
>People actually spend their stat boosts on Jack Sparrow

>people don't equip combo minus so that they can do finishers immediately

>>323955232
"T-THEY DINDU NUFFIN, THEY JUST WANTED HEARTS GUY!" - Nobody defenders, 2016

>>323961895
You cant do finishers only until youre almost done with the game anyway, and thats if you even manage to beat siphillis at the earliest point

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Anyone else find Marluxia really underwhelming as a final boss?

>>323961895
>people don't stack up Combo Plus and Combo Boost to maximize damage and use Magnet to get instant finishers when they need to
cumon step it up

>>323937445
Why did he turn into a stupid boat? His battle would have been fine as it was!

>>323962125
I find him underwhelming in general.

>>323962079
but at the very least keep your combo counts to the minimum

also honestly I never found Guard to be useful as striking the enemy for parry is much useful

A neat idea that got out of hand.

if Zootopia gets in KH3 what animal would Sora become? I bet Goofy and Donald won't change

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>>323962010
Tell me what this man is guilty of

Aside from dropping some hot licks

>>323961895
You can do things like Peter Pan/Firaga infinite stunlocking instead though.

>>323962125
I find him quite sexy, should have been a woman.

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We all agree he's the best character in the entire series right? How can you not like him?

>>323962395
Peter Pan is in KH2? Sorry my memory's all blurry.

>>323962518
Let's not.

>>323962340
Being a lazy fuck and pushing off all his work onto naive little Roxas.

>>323962230
Same here, except i just dodge rolled the shit out of everything, i legitimately never blocked in all of my playthroughs, reflect wasnt used either despite being the most broken shit even, if i needed i-frames i used the few that changing into limit form grants you, useful since the "explosion" also pushes back, stuns and damages enemies, this was mostly for xigbar

>>323962518
Hell no, he is an annoying faggot with a shitty voice, and a legit faggot as well, fuck him

>>323962613
He's a summon, so no one ever knew he was in.

>>323962760
>a legit faggot as well
Not really? But okay. Remember there's a difference betwen fanon and canon.

>>323962792
Does anyone use summons? I've been playing this game since it came out on PS2 and I've never touched them in 2

>>323962613
He's a summon. I wouldn't have known how incredibly useful summons are in KH2FM if it weren't for Critical Level 1.

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>>323962518
LET HER RIP

>>323962792
Oh right, now I remember. I guess he's gonna be useful now that you need glide for Puzzles and don't want to grind the shit out of Final form.

>>323962760
Guard would have been useful if it always stuns parried enemies but nope, so you might as well just clash your weapon or avoid.