If it had new game changers like Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2, a new Crash Bandicoot, a cheesy survival horror like the original Resident Evil and a cinematic game of the original MGS calibre, I would buy that shit immediately.
I mean I wanna play Bloodborne so fucking bad I can taste it, it's survival horror Souls with Lovecraftian shit in it, literally the game I've been waiting for my whole life.
Don't care about weeb shit, tho Nier looks cool.
I'd get Uncharted, Horizon and Last Guardian for £10 just to go through them once.
Fuck. I'm tempted to get an Xbone for the Halos and Gears since I haven't played the majority of those games, and they're good mindless fun with replayable campaigns.
But I'll end up getting a PS4 for Bloodborne and the inevitable Japan Studio exclusive sequel.
>>323936996 Well at least you haven't completely walled yourself off and still recognize that good vidiya exists and is made possible on consoles. Hopefully you get to enjoy all the games eventually anon.
>I'm tempted to get an Xbone for the Halos and Gears since I haven't played the majority of those games, and they're good mindless fun with replayable campaigns.
The Xbone is a dramatically underpowered console and Halo 5 was an absolute disgrace in every aspect but (debateably) multiplayer.
Keep in mind that to to achieve 60fps in Halo 5, they had to use "dynamic resolution" which can drop to below 900p, along with 30fps animations, abysmal textures, horrible screen tearing, and just ugliness everywhere, pic related.
For those of you who have PS4, seriously, do not skip out on Gravity Rush Remastered, I'm not joking you will be blwon away by the sheer scale in that game and its bleeding personality. It has atmosphere out the ass and it is HUGE.
>>323937153 >just define your own exclusives as 'totally super important guys' when the vast majority turn out to be garbage
You realise PC and Xbone have exclusives too? You could make exactly the same point with them and sonyggers missing out. Other fanbases just aren't autistic enough to spam image collages every fucking day
>>323937532 Don't really care about graphics mate. Sure that's ugly but it's a minor annoyance. I'm currently playing Dark Souls 2 on my laptop, hooked up on my 720p TV and enjoying it a lot. Even if it's a disappointment.
>>323938596 Uh tomb raider is a well praised game and it looks fantastic, uncharted is basically the male version with more production value. It's a genre I don't play often but occasionally, a indiana jones tier action game is fun, no need to be autistic about it. The trailer at E3 also looked amazing
>>323938479 It doesn't matter by what the game had it's art inspired by, as soon it has a cute girl it's weebshit for a lot of fucking retarded peoples. I saw some normalfag watching the GR2 reveal once, they though it was hentai, I shit you not. Fucking cancer killing videogames right here.
That said, I've seen someone playing the remaster and the whole thing was just going from place X to Y and then doing that air kick on everything forever, I'm not really interested, looks really shallow.
>>323939354 Because I want to play games at 60+ fps with KB + M on my monitor. It just feels nice to me and I don't want to go back to playing on a TV. Also games running well on the PC I built gives me a sense of satisfaction while playing stuff on a console makes me feel like a incompetent child. All personal gripes otherwise I'd probably think about picking one of them up in two years when they have an actual decent library, right now they have fuck all.
Lots of cool games coming out, not gonna lie I'm pretty jelly. Luckily my PS3 still has some use for Persona 5, as I don't see there being a big difference between the two versions (other than 720 v 1080).
>>323939750 If someone works a 40 hour work week, gets 8 hours of sleep a night (56 a week), and leaves 14 hours a week for groceries, eating, and travel, then that's still 58 hours of free time a week to divide up how you will
>>323939953 Guess I fall under the tired gamer territory then I technically have more free time than you but can't be bothered to play as much vidya as I used too. Even though I got a shit ton of games.
My back log is unmanageable at this point.
It doesn't help that the only game that I've been playing as of late is such a slow burn. XBX is still fun as fuck though.
>>323938846 >>xbox and PC have exclusives >"Like what?" >"We will be waiting."
What the fuck is the point? Its the same shit all the time.
>post something like Total War Attila as an example >bunch of shitposts about how it's 'indie' from sonyggers running to the wikipedia page to try and find out info about a game that's AAA but doesn't spend tens of millions marketing to normies like them >has a higher metacritic than 90% of PS4 exclusives >"doesn't count" >'why not?' >it's not 'hyped'. People aren't talking about it' >point out that there's tonnes of threads about PC exclusives here all the time that they aren't seeing because all they do is shitpost in platform war and 'muh sales' threads
It generally ends with sonyggers using the fact that they're the only ones here who make these cancerous bait threads every single day as proof that their games are super hyped and important. i.e. actually trying to use their own shitposting as some kind of evidence.
Well you sold me OP, what am gonna get first on this PS4?
"Remasters" PC multiplatforms Timed exclusives Paying $50 for basic online multiplayer
Yeah, let me think about that purchase again. Back to the PS3 and PC, fuck off PS4 dipshit. This console generation is literally the most irrelevant one we had in ages. The Wii U being the most retarded one at least some decent exclusives.
I really don't get the praise for PS4, is it really just DUDE USED GAMES LOL and that's it? Every other dumbass policy from Sony or lack of exclusive games gets a free pass? The PS3 era Sony was different, they had to put the effort to sell the console. This they still don't have a single Uncharted game out, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE REMASTERS.
You're not supposed to buy a PS4 just for exclusives, many play PS4 as their multiplat machine and even then it dose have good exclusives right now, Bloodborne, Tearaway, Killzone, Infamous SS, Disgaea 5, EDF 4.1, etc.
>>323942027 The price of PC is relative and the games you actually get are console optimized ports. Many steam users use pre-8th gen hardware so you should be asking them why they like to play inferior versions of the games. High end PC is still a niche market and isn't accessible or worth jumping into for most people.
>>323936536 >Nier is confirmed to be "console exclusive" which means no Xbone but it will come to PC This is not the case and you have zero reason to believe this is the case, so don't say it. Nothing has ever been stated saying the game is "console exclusive" in the same way that, say, Street Fighter V is.
Nier is currently only being developed for PS4 and the developers do not have any intention to port it to other platforms at this time. However the game is not bound to PS4 by an exclusivity contract. It's exclusive simply because that is where Taro's audience is.
It could be ported to any platform in the future, be it Xbox One, PC or anything else they can get it running on, if Square, Platinum and Taro want that. But as it stands that's something they have no plans for currently.
For a directly comparable case, see Yoko Taro's last game with Square Enix, Drakengard 3. It released two years ago as a PS3 exclusive and was not bound by any form of exclusivity contract. It remains a PS3 exclusive to this day, but could be ported if the people involve want to do so.
To anyone about to respond to >>323942607 please stop for a second. The guy clearly isn't trying to have a proper discussion if he's going to be a generalising cunt, you should just not respond. It's better for everyone involved.
>>323943130 Yeah its better but only if you climb a paywall, I don't know why PC users never admit this. The core market doesn't care for high end pC gaming and isn't prepared to pay for it. The performance consoles offers is satisfactory for most and ultimately puts them in a position to net the type of games they want such as xbox or PS4 exclusives while also being their machine for multiplats. Building a high end PC just for framerate is pretty retard tier. I can afford to build a $7000+ rig right now but I simply have no desire to do it. It has no exclusive that will even utilize the hardware anyway, just multiplats I can get elsewhere and all which have been shit besides witcher 3.
>>323946246 Well, I thought it was being hyped like crazy by sonnygers judt because there is no other game on their platform, but my brother gave me his ps4 for a few days, i got BB 5 days ago and now I'm making my second character.
It's not better than DS1 or 2, but it has one of the best art design ever, gameplay is fresh, and overhaul the game is simply amazing. So amazing I'll buy the old hunters tomorrow and play it for a few days before returning the ps4.
>>323946772 It was on sale for 350 with a game or two during holiday sales. With the exchange rate that made it the equivalent of 250 bucks American. You'll never see pricing like that again. Sounds like you missed the boat.
>>323937956 This post reads like gaming journalist. Or a shill. Basically I'm accusing you of being someone who's paid to write about videogames in some respect. In any case, you made me cringe. But not as bad as this faggot. >>323938124
I literally had no idea what Gravity Rush was for the longest time. Because every thing I saw from it, was a still picture of the protagonist, posted by some anon. So I assumed was from some anime or weebshit game. Am I wrong for assuming such? She's just another anime girl.
But the other day, I stumbled on a webm of the game, and it actually showed something interesting. So now I'm open to learn more about it.
Point is: How can you seriously expect anyone not to dismiss the game as weebshit based on the weebshit character designs?
>>323949117 Because there's nothing wrong with weebshit in the first place, and the best games are often weebshit anyway. Gravity Daze is a game from the creator of fucking Silent Hill. Fucking plebs. Faggots like you are why videogames are kill. The "faggot" you've linked to sound like you.
>>323949404 Weebshit works like hitrates in video games. The stat says 90%, but you find yourself constantly missing. On the surface, a lot of these games show promise. Until you play them, and realize it's another anime overdesigned aesthetic mess, with mediocre gameplay.
>>323949712 Like I said, I only saw still pictures of the protagonist initially. In her standard state, she looks like just another anime girl.
Even in that picture you posted, had you isolated her figure, and blanked out the environment, she would still just look like some over-the-top weebshit character doing a power move. Only the cityscape gives the impression that the game has character.
>>323949117 I'm not a shill or a game journalist if that helps clear anything up, I am just someone who recently go the game and has been thoroughly impressed with the it. It's completely multi dimensional in the very literal sense of the word, in other games you usually follow a linear path on a levelish plane, in gravity rush world exploration is 360 degrees, you can climb buildings and entire islands from the bottom to the very top, the cities are also bustling with people, its just all around awesome and is oozing with atmosphere and personality.
No game dose it quite like gravity rush, it just feels fresh and unique and nails a very specific feel to the game that no game has done before it, at least ones that I haven't played.
>>323949117 >I literally had no idea what Gravity Rush was for the longest time. Stop. This is not how you make an argument. Your own ignorance is not a valid point. It never is. "I didn't know anything so I judged it prematurely" isn't a fucking positive thing for your point.
>Am I wrong for assuming such? Yes. It's called being shallow. Stop doing that and stop making judgements while actively parading your own ignorance. That is not a thing you should be doing.
Is it that hard to not pass judgement until you have information? Are you a child?
>>323950310 Maybe if you blank out the eyes like pic related, she looks quite normalish to me, the eyes make it seem like an anime character. Still, it wouldnt explain why games like indivisible are hugely popular when they main protagonist shares the very same artstyle and if not looks far more anime-like than kat
>>323948380 >Well, I thought it was being hyped like crazy by sonnygers judt because there is no other game on their platform You seem to have missed the point and just gone on to do exactly what I was talking about.
My point was why are you and this board so singularly obsessed with that game? You talk as if it's literally physically impossible for everyone who owns a PS4 to not have centred their purchase purely on it.
Are you actually that autistic about how human beings work? Are you incapable of understanding that maybe some people here don't care for Bloodborne but do care for other PS4 exclusives that exist? Or maybe that they care for Bloodborne and other exclusives?
I'm not saying the library is good - I'm asking why this board genuinely talks as if Bloodborne's the literal only thing anyone could humanly care about on the platform.
>>323950518 Stating I didn't know what the game was, wasn't a count against the game. It was setting up the point I was making: that the design is weeby. And because the design was weeby, that was the thing that made me blind to the game. Which you can't really blame me for. Because it was a design choice by the creators.
Look, when an artist goes out of their way to try and create an aesthetic that appeals to people. Then the natural result of such, is that the aesthetic will appeal to some, and not appeal to others. And SOME people, will actually be put off by the aesthetic.
The judgement wasn't made on ignorance. Rather, it was made on observing the aesthetic the artist developed, in order to appeal potential players.
It's perfectly fine to make such judgements. For example: if you saw a lion, you wouldn't think "I should get to know this lion better, because assuming that he wants to kill me". You would think "OH SHIT THAT'S A LION". Because your experiences and history and knowledge of lions has conditioned you to fear lions. Thus, avoid them.
>>323950757 No, it's definitely everything about her that says "anime". The shape of the face, the color palette, the proportions, the strokes of the lines. Everything about comes from the school of Japanese visual design.
Indivisible looks like a westerner drawing cartoons with some influence from anime.
>>323950798 >>literally judging things by their covers That's literally how I bought Tales of Symphonia. Walked into the store, saw the cover. Thought it looked pretty bad ass. Bought it. That's when Tales had good character designs though. The new shit is weeby as fuck.
Like I told the other anon. Someone developed a style, specifically to try and appeal to you as much as possible. To give you an exciting visual experience. If that can work positively, then it can also work negatively. The thing that draws you in, might repel others. Can you stop pretending like visual art doesn't matter when it's convenient to your argument? When any other time, you would probably list Gravity Rush's art as a positive.
>>323950490 While I'm seriously worried for the mental capabilities of the anon you're talking to, you're ever selling Gravity Rush quite a big. It's a cult game but it has big issues.
While writting off entire game because it has "another anime girl" (whatever that means) is absolutely disgusting, he doesn't need GR, it doesn't have perfect gameplay and there's no way an anti-anime underage b& is going to take the atmosphere of this game seriously, simply because of said "anime girl"
>>323951441 You sound like a verbose, pretentious dumbfuck who'd wear a "debate me" shirt.
You don't like anime style and dislike it so much that you're not willing to look past it on any circumstance. Many people are like that. You're not special. You could have shorted your entire post by saying
>I don't usually like weebshit artstyle, but I saw the gameplay and it actually looked interesting >Is it as good as it looks?
Instead you had to inject a bunch of drama into your post by implying that all anime style games are terrible and only the ones you like are the exception. How can you expect not to be shit on in a board where most users enjoy the artstyle? Is it the only sort of stimulus you can get in a day?
>>323951441 That's not a point, and your ignorance should not be used to "set up a point" either.
If all you'd seen was some artwork, then you had nothing to go off to judge the game as a whole. If you wrote the game off or became "blind to it" purely off that, that's your own active shallowness and absolutely nothing else. This applies to pixel graphics, realism, or any other type of artstyle that is often prone to being blanket called lazy or "dudebro" or anything else like that.
Active ignorance is not a thing you should be bringing up for a point ever.
Artstyles are not inherently dangerous. No form of entertainment is dangerous to you. The lion comparison is fucking stupid. There is a difference between judging a book by its cover and running away from danger. And there is a reason the phrase "don't judge a book by its cover" exists and is so widespread. I'm sure I don't need to explain that to you.
Oh and, for the love of fucking god, stop using the word weeb as if it means anything in the context you're using it. It doesn't. The closest thing you could give to a definition for it is "vaguely anime-like visuals because eyes and thin outlines I guess". If you choose to base anything on that word and use it in a discussion, that only further cements your own active ignorance.
And don't give me that "but it's in common usage here". That doesn't stop it being ignorant poorly defined bullshit.
>>323952215 >no way an anti-anime underage b& is going to take the atmosphere of this game seriously, simply because of said "anime girl" Hey man. I'm that anon you're referring to. And I'll have you know I'm well into adulthood. I'm not anti-anime. I'm *apathetic* to *weebshit*. There's a distinction. And I'm perfectly capable mentally. I actually complimented the game. And noted that it appears more interesting than what I initially gave it credit for. But that part didn't register for you, for some reason.
>>323952281 High new IP. I see you just entered the thread and... >You don't like anime style and dislike it so much that you're not willing to look past it on any circumstance. ...you clearly didn't read it. So please do me the favor of actually reading my posts before responding with your uninformed remarks.
>>323952505 OK... I know you guys think I'm the evil anti-anime anon or whatever. But someone back me up here. This guy is obviously crazy for thinking these styles look the same, right? I don't think anyone but a normalfag would seriously confuse indivisible for an anime. You're tlaking crazy right now.
>>323942257 This, games like Persona 5 or Ni No Kuni 2 are on the same ship. Yeah, they can be released in other platforms because they don't have any exclusive contract, but is difficult that will happen.
>How can you seriously expect anyone not to dismiss the game as weebshit based on the weebshit character designs?
You said this. What other meaning can I derive from it? You literally said you were willing to dismiss a game because you didn't like the "weeby" artstyle, never mind the fact that it's made by a Japanese studio so it's impossible for it to be weeaboo.
Like I said, plenty of people are dismissive of anime artstyle. Instead of just admitting that and saying you personally didn't like the game because of it, you had to bait by saying "how can you expect ANYONE to like it".
Now you're saying you don't actually dislike anime artstyle. That's some A grade goalpost moving.
>>323952556 >That's not a point, and your ignorance should not be used to "set up a point" either. Oh it's a point. You may disagree. But it's a point. Also, ignorance can be used to set up points. Like, you could say, "I didn't know aobut gravity rush. But the art looked cool. Therefore I sought more info on the game". And that would be a valid statement.
>that's your own active shallowness and absolutely nothing else. You can't investigate everything you see, anon. That's literally impossible. You would do nothing but watch trailers, and read info on video games. Because there's SO MANY. You have to exercise some kind of judgement. That's like a basic function for being a human.
>There is a difference between judging a book by its cover and running away from danger. Both things rely on the same principles of judgement. Different visual input, but same principles are being exercised.
>And there is a reason the phrase "don't judge a book by its cover" exists Yeah, because books are comprised of words. And you put those words together to make images in you head and experience the content of the book that way. VIDEOgames, are comprised of images. And you must look upon those images, in order to play the game. What you see is a major aspect of the medium. So large, that it's literally in the name of the medium.
>Oh and, for the love of fucking god, stop using the word weeb as if it means anything in the context you're using it Now you're the one being ignorant. Just because you arent' familiar with my usage, doesn't mean I'm not using it correctly. Obviously, if I was using "weeb" to mean anything vaguely anime styled, then that would be fucking stupid.
>>323952673 Whatever you say anon. Peoples who absolutely hate anime art style, something that was widely used and the NORM for videogames for decades, are either new to videogames (started gaming with the 360 new) PC gamers only (meaning they missed the best videogames of all time) or underage. At least I can't explain it any other ways.
Good if you complimented GR, it's indeed a great Vita game by a true auteur (but not exempt of issues), but you didn't need to coat everything in the generic HURRR ALL ANIME GIRL ARE THE SAME ALL ANIME ARE SHIT AHAAAAAAH, especially on a website made to talk about it.
When I see that the PS4 has something truly unique to offer in terms of gameplay that previous generations of consoles do not. Something that would really get my attention. Otherwise there is no point in buying one when I already own a PS3 and PS2 and can buy games for them for a much cheaper price.
>>323952846 I have a definition for weebshit. But no one is asking for it. So eh...
>>323954336 >you didn't need to coat everything in the generic HURRR ALL ANIME GIRL ARE THE SAME ALL ANIME ARE SHIT AHAAAAAAH I didn't say that. I said something that you might have confused for that.
And I certainly didn't say it with that much intensity. It's previous clear that you took it more intensely than how it was stated, as reflected by your exaggerated rendition.
My point has always been that sometimes people might be put off from something for good reason. Even if that thing is actually really good. A good thing can still be offputting. And if you don't understand that. Then you become one of those whiny bitches, who can't take criticism. That's not you, right? You wouldn't get upset, just because someone doesn't like what you like, would you?
>>323954261 >"I didn't know aobut gravity rush. But the art looked cool. Therefore I sought more info on the game". That's not a point, that's a course of action.
"I saw the art, so I looked it up. So you should look things up" is a point (a poorly argued one).
>You can't investigate everything you see, anon. No, but you know what you can do? Pass no judgement without relevant information.
I do not pass judgement on any game I know only the artstyle of. The only thing I know about Lisa is the artstyle. And I have no judgement on the game because of that.
> Just because you arent' familiar with my usage, doesn't mean I'm not using it correctly. Then please. Give a meaningful definition. I've been here nearly a decade and no one has a meaningful definition for weeb as a descriptor for games or anime or artstyles. It's vague and undefined shit.
Even if you DO have a definition for it, it sure as hell isn't one shared by the people you discuss things with because I can guarantee others will have a different definition.
>>323954458 >>323954725 No one at Square or Platinum has ever said the game is coming to other platforms. They've said they're "always open" to doing so, but that isn't in anyway a confirmation that it is or will happen.
>>323955075 >SE said they are actively looking into releasing it on other platforms and it's only exclusive to PS4 for the time being >Sony themselves confirmed it's not exclusive to their platform >but it's only on muh PS4
>>323955075 >That's not a point, that's a course of action. I don't blame you for not getting it. It's a little unclear. The point there was that the art was cool. As determined by the course of actions. Had the art been uninteresting, then the person might not have taken action to know more about the game. So the action is proving the point about the art.
>>323955075 >Pass no judgement without relevant information. Literally impossible. Your brain is judging every bit of stimulus that you body senses. Also, The artstyle IS relevant information for judging a videogame. Merely by remaining uninterested, you have made a judgement. Your brain encountered the imagery, and dismissed it.
>Then please. Give a meaningful definition Weeb, or weeaboo, as we know it, is a cousin term to wapanese. Essentially meaning the same thing... initially. However, the definition mutated over time, and here's what we're left with: 1. A love of Japanese culture and/or Otaku culture, to the point where good judgement is forgone. 2. Special consideration is given, based on the fact that the object is from Japan.
Example: A western game uses a shitty cliche trope and Bill criticizes it. A Japanese game uses a shitty cliched trope, and Bill forgives it. Bill is a weeb.
So from here, in order to classify what makes a produce a weeby product, you have to consider it's audience. Does the game cater to weebs? Does it use all the tired tropes from anime? Does it have mewling moeblobs? Does it have over-designed characters, doing flashy but ultiamtely weightless spam attacks? Yes to all above? Well, that sir, is a weeb game.
>>323937153 The more time goes on, the more I realise that my tastes have contracted into a smaller and smaller set. There was a time I liked JRPGs, and a time I would have taken the plunge on a lot more of the "meh" games on this list.
>>323958737 Well does 420chan have boards that talk about things other than weed? Maybe they have a video game board, and someone just likes going there to talk about video games. And then weed somehow came up one game thread, so hes like "I don't like weed". And then a bunch of pot heads jumped on him talking about "you probably like to get drunk, drunky. Yea, you fucking alcoholic."
And then he's like, "you can smoke weed if you want. I just think it's stupid. Also, I barely drink. Everyone has a drink or two socially right?"
And then they're like, "He drinks! He's a fucking normalfag! Look at this drinking normalfag going to parties and being social! Why are you even here?!"
>>323959338 I understand that arguments can be energy draining. So I won't talk shit for ending it. However, I still believe that you have the wrong idea about how judgement works. And also the wrong idea about how I judged the game.
Here's a video that might get you to think differently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtnS08uKJ9Q
>>323959503 That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, sounds like that person is on the wrong website to begin with. Even so, a more fair comparison would be disregarding, say movies as stonershit or calling said fans of those movies loser stoners.
>>323935813 I owned a ps3, where all the exclusives were forgettable minus Uncharted 2. Now I have to pay for online on top of that? As well as for emulating ps2 games I already own? And games still run at 30 fps. No thanks. I switched to pc and realized how much I have been missing.
>>323961495 I think you're mistaken. Please explain how speaking an opinion on a particular website somehow invalidates it. Please explain the mechanics to me. Because that doesn't even sound like logic or reason. Sounds like an emotional argument.
>>323936536 >>323952197 >NieR: AUTOMATA is currently in development exclusively for the PlayStation®4 computer entertainment system http://platinumgames.com/2015/11/02/official-title-for-nier-sequel-revealed/
>>323960027 The point is that if you saw GR and assumed "weeb" ('So I assumed was from some anime or weebshit game'), there's a leap there that, no, I don't see how you can say is normal. I would never do that and it's equivalent to seeing Arma III and thinking "dudebro" or seeing Cave Story and thinking "indieshit". THAT is ignorance plain and simple.
Even if you try and say that the term "weeb" isn't necessarily negative, your definition of it is still grounded in meaningless terms. You defined what a weeaboo is then loosely connected it to other poorly defined things. Which are the "tired tropes" from anime? How do you define a moeblob I'm not even going to start on how that term and 'moeshit' are completely misunderstandings of what moe actually is? The closest to something meaningful in your description is "over-designed" and "flashy but weightless". But that doesn't particularly apply to GR or a hell of a lot of games people call "weeb".
>>323962515 You didn't explain the mechanics. You only gave more examples. Alright, so you go in a church. And you know, the church has other services. Like funeral services or whatever. So let's say you're there for a funeral. And then someone tires to get you to participate in a part of the ceremony. And you tell them you don't want to, because you aren't a believer in Jesus.
So like... magically your opinion is invalid at church? I don't understand.
>>323937532 Not saying Halo 5 looked amazing, but I never noticed any straight up ugly textures. And the campaign isn't bad it's just not very exciting. I can understand why people wouldn't like it though, but fuck anyone who says Halo 5 has bad multiplayer, you can fuck off.
>>323962948 Did you watch the video? It's only under 4 minutes. The assumption I made about the character, is not a far leap. Typically, cute anime girls with retarded designs like hers, end up coming from otaku pandering, mediocre titles. Therefore, I didn't think to look into it further. Why would I? What information from her character design, and ONLY her character design, hints at anything other than some weebshit? Nothing. Therefore, I was not given any cues that might bring her design to front of mind.
I would not blame someone for confusing Cave Story for indie shit. Because there's a looooooot of shitty pixel indie games out there. It's not ignorant to make that judgement. The only thing I would have a problem with, is if when I attempted to explain that Cave Story is actually very fun and well made, that person completely dismissed what I was saying.
>>323963754 >40 million sold. >Those pathetic assortment of games >The vaporware guardian >Personotreleased 5 >Demon's Souls in the picture for some reason. >Bloodborne shown twice. I can't tell who this picture is supposed to be making fun of.
>>323964023 >I would not blame someone for confusing Cave Story for indie shit I would, especially since its over 10 years old and a highly influential video game. Also, there is nothing wrong with pixel art either.
>>323964023 >cute anime girls with retarded designs like hers, end up coming from otaku pandering, mediocre titles. Yeah see, no. I refuse to believe you made this statement without understanding that you're pre-emptively judging things beyond what you can actually know. I've never once looked at something, anything, and thought something like that.
>I would not blame someone for confusing Cave Story for indie shit. Because there's a looooooot of shitty pixel indie games out there. It's not ignorant to make that judgement. It absolutely is. That is someone making an judgement that you need more information to make before they have the information necessary to make it. It's built purely on an assumption.
I wouldn't blame someone for glossing over Cave Story because of its visuals, but I certainly would call them out if they described it as "indieshit" after glossing over it and doing absolutely nothing to learn anything about it beyond that it has pixel graphics. If you really don't see fault in people generalizing like that then you're already too far gone.
>>323964493 Not everyone is going to know the indie darling. Not everyone has the same experiences as you.
Also, identifying pixelart as indie shit, isn't necessarily saying that the pixel style is bad. What the person is doing, is drawing an association from low res simplistic pixel art to the mountain of indie shit that uses low res simplistic pixel art.
>>323964829 Well, I can understand if the person in question is a normie, but anyone with more than a superficial interest in video games should have heard of Cave Story. That's like not at least knowing what Deus Ex or Earthbound is.
>>323964829 >What the person is doing, is drawing an association from low res simplistic pixel art to the mountain of indie shit that uses low res simplistic pixel art. And that's superficial and meaningless. Super Meat Boy and Undertale are both pixel games. There is no association to make there at all beyond the fact they both use pixel-looking graphics. There is nothing you can assume from that fact beyond that.
If I saw a sprite, I would never instantly assume that the game is "indieshit". If I see an anime character I would never instantly assume the game is "weebshit". If I see a guy from the army, I wouldn't assume the game is a "dudebro".
Do you really not see how doing that would be ignorant?
>>323964820 >I've never once looked at something, anything, and thought something like that. Well, I didn't think it *loudly* or anything. I didn't proclaim it in my head. It was just the impression I got before casually moving on.
Like the guy in the video explain: How does he know that he will sit safely in the chair? He doesn't know that particular chair. He's never seen it. But he casually sits. Judging that the chair will support his weight.
According to you, it would be impossible for him to know what the chair can do, before he's tested it. So then he's wrong for sitting before knowing more about the chair.
>That is someone making an judgement that you need more information to make before they have the information necessary to make it. It's built purely on an assumption. No, they have made the judgement based on visual cues.
> I certainly would call them out if they described it as "indieshit" after glossing over it and doing absolutely nothing to learn anything about it beyond that it has pixel graphics. It's evident that you would. But they wouldn't be at fault. They are only making their judgement based on the available information.
>>323962896 >right now it's not a timed exclusive >this may change in the future >other post implies it's timed exclusive in a way that can't be misinterpreted >Sony themselves later confirmed it's not exclusive
>>323964889 I like you anon. Instead of shaming people for making poor judgments, like some crybaby SJW. You give people the resources to make better judgement. The game in motion looks 10x better than just the character art alone.
>>323957206 you dust develped taste anon. agree with almost all of your opinions. Except for yakuza i want that i still only have Bloodborne on my ps4, i love the game but people are right when they say it's a bloodborne machine if you don't care about most of the AAA shit and weeb shit
>>323965206 I didn't know what Deus Ex was, until HR came out. And even then, I didn't catch on right away. I grew up with PC. But my older brother was more into PC than I was. So he would get all of those games. Yet he never got Deus Ex. I never knew it existed. I only knew EB, because my brother figured out SNES emulation in like 2000-ish. No one knew what EB was in my town. I figured it out because I liked Chrono Trigger, and wanted to see what other RPGs I could play.
>>323965582 You keep using ignorant as a pejorative. I want to agree and say it's ignorant. But I don't want you to think I'm agreeing with your point in whole. I'm not. But yes, it is ignorant. However, being ignorant doesn't necessarily mean you can't make a judgement. This goes back to what the guy said in the video. He's ignorant of the chair. Yet, he made the judgement that the chair could support him. So he sat. Does that make his judgement poor? Is he supposed to assume that every chair is special and unique and test every one?
>>323939354 Console wars are literally only a thing because of people who don't have enough money to do that. It's not exactly buyer's remorse, more like sour grapes mentality. "I only wanted this system anyway, the other one is stupid, its exclusives are stupid, its players are stupid, etc."
>>323966182 >>323963575 Well I suppose if you believe in Jesus, then magic spaces where opinions are altered isn't too far fetched. I mean, the dude rose from his grave! Invalidating an opinion is nothing in comparison.
>>323965656 >But they wouldn't be at fault. This is ultimately where we disagree.
I've never said stereotyping shouldn't exist, but again, chairs, like lions, are not directly comparable to entertainment. You assume the chair is safe because most of what you can learn about the chair is learned visually. The problem is when you assume the stereotype applies prematurely. You can not know about how a game works based on its character art consistently.
I can accept that people will use the word weebshit/indieshit/dudebro even if they're poorly defined (still bullshit though). I can accept that people will generally gloss over things that visually don't personally interest them (and that's perfectly fine). But fault occurs when someone associates the two. When someone glosses over something AND attaches labels to it. And you really don't see any issue with that?
>>323965913 >Instead of shaming people for making poor judgments, like some crybaby SJW Oh please. People aren't shaming you, or at least I'm not and I've been discussing this the most with you. I'm just telling you to hold judgement until information is known to you. Information is a google search away from you and always has been.
>>323935813 >Have $3000 PC that can max out everything >PS4 still gets more games that look better visually while any PC game with the budget for decent visuals is packed full of awful looking Gameworks features
>>323967496 >Battletech from the Dragonfall guys >Divinity Original Sin 2 >W40k game from E.Y.E. devs >Endless Space 2 >Grim Dawn from Titan Quest dev >Syberia 3 >new Planescape >Warhammer Total War >not worthwile
It's okay to have shit taste but it's retarded to assume these games aren't promising to be great for the people who are interested in the genre or those IPs.
>>323967943 >This is ultimately where we disagree. Then that is ultimately where you are mistaken.
>but again, chairs, like lions, are not directly comparable to entertainment. And again, even though those things are all different, the same principles of judgement are exercised when evaluating them all. The differences are what cues you receive. Like you said, the chair can be reasonable understood visually. And so can games. Because video games are a visual medium. You can find visual cues from various games, and create a profile. Weeb games have a certain profile. Dudebro games ahve a certain profile. Indie games have a certain profile. Etc.
The stereotype of the cute anime girl, equating to mediocre otaku trash didn't come from a vacuum. It was a part of a well established profile. The stereotype has enough truth to be warranted.
>I can accept that people will generally gloss over things that visually don't personally interest them You really can't. Because you fail to see that even the act of "glossing over" something, is a for of judgement. You may not consciously think you've applied a label. But for sure, your brain has applied a label. The key here, is that when you reflect on why you glossed something over, you can read the label. And then recall what you thought of it.
>And you really don't see any issue with that? Not by you. You've yet to really make a good case. Other than to say it's "ignorant", and ask doubt-inducing rhetorical questions.
>People aren't shaming you I was half joking just to fuck with you. But the truthful half is that by laying fault on someone for their ignorance, you are essentially playing thought police. Or maybe "police" is the wrong term. How about "thought nag". Waving your finger at people like "you're ignorant! You're ignorant!".
>>323969645 Shit, man. Then be cynical if you want. It's 2am and I am tired as shit.
At the end of the day all I wanted to say was that you should play things before claiming anything about them. I don't think that's so much to ask. I never label things until I've educated myself on them fully because I don't think I can make any form of assessment until I understand a substantial amount about a work. Sure, you could say I associate things superficially, but I don't hold any weight to those associations until I know more.
>>323971250 I told you I wouldn't talk shit if you stopped the argument. But I still think you're mistaken about how judgement works, and how I judged the game.
To reiterate my point: How can you seriously expect anyone not to dismiss the game as weebshit based on the weebshit character designs? I believe the character design is a major factor in profiling the game as weebshit. And therefore, you shouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't pay it any mind, because they have the impression that it's weebshit, based on it's visual design.
I think you're making an emotional argument, because "weebshit" is a pejorative. It's a negative. If the same situation as painted positively, then you wouldn't bother with this argument right now. You would agree with the persons positive "ignorant" judgement of the character.
>>323972437 >I believe the character design is a major factor in profiling the game as weebshit. And therefore, you shouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't pay it any mind, because they have the impression that it's weebshit, based on it's visual design. You keep saying this and I keep seeing blanks wherever 'weebshit' is written. It does not work as a word.
I'm not bothered if someone pays the game no mind. Never have been. I think they're free to.
>. If the same situation as painted positively, then you wouldn't bother with this argument right now. You would agree with the persons positive "ignorant" judgement of the character. It's rare that anyone labels things superficially in a positive way but no, I think that would bother me just as much.
>>323973091 >It's rare that anyone labels things superficially in a positive way Are you kidding? You want to talk about words that have no meaning. Let's talk about the word "fun". >I like this character. They look like a lot of fun. Unlike [arbitrary character they don't like]. Even well meaning people like >>323966256 >lol this game is fun! Hey, thanks for the descriptor. That's totally selling me on the game.
At least with "weebshit", even though *you* don't understand it. You at least have a vague understanding of what the person is trying to convey. You know they're referencing anime in some way. You know they're talking about cultural influence that is infused in the game. You know they're probably talking about something to do with cute girls and the otakus that love them. You understanding of weeb is lacking, but you have some semblance of what that person is trying to describe. But "fun" gets a free pass all the fucking time, and no one knows what the fuck it means.
>>323973990 Oh no doubt. I agree meaninglessly throwing the word 'fun' around is terrible for discussion. I've said this on multiple occasions when the whole 'video games don't have to be about fun' image gets posted.
>You at least have a vague understanding of what the person is trying to convey. That does not make it better. Because it's nothing but personal association and bias.
>>323975169 >it's nothing but personal association and bias. It's really not. It's just you not wanting to accept it's use. I don't know why people have such a difficult time understanding words through context... Oh wait. I forgot where I am for a second.
Look, even if it isn't the word fun. Just the general notion of "this is good" or "this is bad", or "this is unworthy of attention", is a judgement based on labels. I think you're having a hard time understanding, because you can barely understand how words arise from context. Like, you need a dictionary to tell you what something means, before you can accept it's meaning. Where I, am looking at the meaning, and then deciding the word that best fits it.
So I look at the labels of judgement as meaning first, words second. I don't care if you don't have a conscious linguistic label for something. You're still giving things meanings. Labeling them with meaning.
These meanings are stereotypes. And the stereotypes come from conditioning. You aren't born with a stereotype. You develop one. They come from somewhere.
The visuals that GR's main character has, is an aspect of the stereotypical mediocre otaku-pandering super Japanese-influenced games. If I, or whoever else, doesn't even know what the word "weeb" is, we would still be applying the same meaning to the game as a label. And thus, it would be overlooked.
And, not knowing what "weeb" meant, if you asked me why I didn't like it, I would just say "I don't care for the character" But because I DO have a word for the meaning, I use the word instead.
>>323976446 >The visuals that GR's main character has, is an aspect of the stereotypical mediocre otaku-pandering super Japanese-influenced games Really? Come on, man. Your entire post is worded fine until here you just lay it on thick.
No, I'm sorry, but I do not immediately think those things when I see female character in an 'anime style'. That is a MASSIVE bias.
>>323977185 Are you kidding? Look at how she's dressed. I don't even know where to being. The heels, the incomprehensible thigh wrappings coming up to her uhh... what would you wall that? Some one piece with bloomers on the bottom, and only boob covers on top, with swirls going around her nipples, and a sun around her belly button. And that long flowing scarf every third Japanese protagonist has.
She's total waifu bait. And if there was any uncertainty before, you only have to look at this >>323939661 and this >>323939061 They're totally trying to sell the game on cute girls.
It's not just anime. It's otaku pandering. It's weebshit. Well... At least that's what the characters convey.
>>323978240 >>323977185 btw. I'm out. Enough back and forth for me for one night. I have to return to real life. It's difficult doing what I need to do in between big posts. Nice talking to you anon. Even if we disagree.
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