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>tfw have to constantly look up what items do on the cheat sheet before picking em up when I have to make a choice
>tfw want Lilith
>tfw can't beat Ultra Greed as Azazel
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>>323907372
Greed mode is ridiculously easy though.
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>>323907619
Got some advice then?
I find Azazel's attack to be really bad. The mini brimstone he has that is.
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I do that too anon. As for beating greed mode with azazel you just gotta be lucky with item pickups.

I grabbed an item that lets me reflect my tears off of walls and so what I did was run near a wall and shoot my laser towards it, causing it to bounce all the way to the opposite end of the room.

I abused the shit out of this and beat greed since I didn't have to be anywhere near the enemies or bosses to damage them
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>>323907662
Tip from someone who beat greed mode as azazel; when there arent any enemies that can fly or with explosive attacks (ie troll bombs) just sit in the corner hovering over the rocks. Also, if you want to be lazy and dont care about losing health, wait til all enemies have spawned and then lose one black heart. Lilith or whoever you unlock though sucks imo, i never use them
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>can't beat the easiest mode with the easiest character
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>>323907915
He's literally the worst character
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>>323907965
Mate lilith sucks balls
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>>323907965
Azazel is so easy it's boring, he can get garbage items all game and still have an easy win. The only thing he's bad at is doing Hush because of his armor.
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>>323908060
What the fuck is easy about him?
His attack is atrocious and has the range of your dick
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>>323908115
Does fucktonne of damage but
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>>323908171
Yeah after loading up for an eternity and getting in the enemy's face
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>>323908115
sounds like a case of the git gud. also as azazel what you want to start picking up are straight up damage items and range items, which can extend he range of his brimstone slightly. additionally, learn to dodge incoming attacks by looking for tells and knowing the range of your brim. move around constantly, don't just sit there spamming like a retard.
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>>323908115
>his attack is atrocious
>objectively does more damage than any other character
Did you only ever play him while he was accidentally overnerfed or something? He can oneshot any early-game enemies, he's fast, and he can fly. He clears rooms faster than anyone, his only downside is his range which doesn't matter if you don't get hit.
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I agree, azazel sucks ass because if that range and I'm fairly certain you can't increase it either with any range ups. It always seems to be super short no matter how many range ups I pick up

>fighting greed with azazel
>mfw he does that twirl and shits coins everywhere
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>>323908218
Naa you dont really have to get that close, boi enemies always run straight at you so as long as youre reflexes arent too shoddy hes easy asf. Dunno i never play him myself much (apart from when i wanted to unlock lilith)
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>>323908235
his range goes up by miniscule amounts with +range items

and how can you "git gud" at picking up great items, it's RNG
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>>323907372
Is Afterbirth every going to come to Vita?
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>>323908325
You can increase it with range pickups, and his Brimstone does as much damage at max range as it does at point blank. Learn to hit enemies with the tip.

>>323908378
Learn to dodge you fucking turboscrub.
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>>323908378
he's talking about greed mode, the easiest mode to break in the game. seriously, heed my advice. git. gud.
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Everyone here saying pray for range items and im always just praying for health lol
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You don't need to look shit up, just play without knowing what they are at first.

Also, Lillith sucks, don't worry about it.
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>>323908427
I don't think you've played greed mode recently since they buffed it
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>Tape Worm with Azazel
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>>323908512
Nope, it's still really easy to break. The difficulty curve is fucked, Basement is ALWAYS the hardest floor on Greed mode, and it then gets easier and easier, because you get to pick and choose your own items.

The only way to lose in Greed mode is to get shit luck early-game so you can't start snowballing. Azazel's a character who can't lose early-game because he doesn't need any items yet, and he can even oneshot hard waves like the double spiders.
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>Isaac thread
Oh, it's a bait thread. Nevermind, back to finishing Hush as The Lost, then slogging through for Hard-Mega Satan and Hush as every Rebirth character+Lilith.
The item pools are so fucked.
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>>323908115
That's how he's balanced. Abuse his high speed and move back instantly after placing your shot. It's not rocket science, or maybe it is to you.
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>>323908789
>I beat ultra greed as azazel this one time, but I'll never talk about all the times I didn't manage to do it. Time for shitposting!
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>>323908880
I was using Azazel to grind the coin machine because I'm a retard, you faggot Retard. Get good.
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>>323908880
>implying it's not ridiculously easy to streak as Azazel in Greed Mode
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>>323908983
Yeah no shit it's not hard until ultra greed
of course you can grind with him
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>>323908880
maybe you missed the part where op confessed absolute impotence at being able to beat greed mode with azazel. even if you can't do it 100% of the time, you most certainly can 90% of the time. OP has almost demonstrated pretty clearly that he simply doesn't know how to use azazel. he doesn't know the basic strat of charging when not standing in front of enemies getting your ass kicked, he doesn't know how to use azazel's speed, he doesn't know how to kill enemies with the tip of the laser. OP is a shitter who needs to git gud, period.
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>>323908880
>make a thread on /v/ whining about a videogame
>/v/ calls oyu out for being shit at said game
>go full defence mode

holy shit you're such a faggot. Azazel is one of the easiest characters to play as, you literally need to stopped fucking crying and learn to play the game
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>>323909052
I know perfectly well how to do those things.
Doesn't help his pitiful garbage range.

Unless you get good RNG you're fucked at ultra freed.
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>>323909042
You don't get the donation machine until after Ultra Greed, smart boy.
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Am I the only one who likes Lilith?
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Op would have shit and pissed himself if he had to use the ultra need Azazel. Jesus Christ what a faggot.
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>>323909108
Stream yourself beating greed mode with azazel right now. I'll pay you if you do it first try.

Easy, right?
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>>323909125
You could probably beat Ultra Greed by just saving all your money and buying 12 spirit hearts at the latest available opportunity. Minimal RNG required.
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>>323909131
I like Lillith, she's a unique and interesting character design and can get downright broken with the right build

>tfw car battery, BFFs and a bunch of companions
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>>323909125
there is seriously no arguing with the incompetent. just keep practicing until you learn how to deal with each character. seriously, the dozens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who glide through both modes with azazel will happily disagree.
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>>323909213
why would I do that when I've already filled out Azazel's sticky note? I'm more interested in finishing up with The Keeper right now
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>>323909321
>tfw Azazel daily to the chest
>tfw get 40k score but its still too low

Terrible feel.
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>>323909321
Same offer to you, assuming you're not him
>>323909213


Free money up for grabs, it's easy as fuck to do greed mode with Azazel so what's stopping you?
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>>323909408
Yeah, that sounds entirely legitimate.
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>>323909396
>w-why would I want money for proving the BS I'm spewing, I'm busy right now.. leave me alone..

And so the discussion ends, you've been exposed as a fraud who can't back up his claims.
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1001%ers where we at?
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>>323909497
Impressive bait thread, congrats. You won. Here's your (you).
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>>323909497
>some faggot on /v/ offers money
>totally legit guys ;)

Sure
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>>323909407
i wouldn't feel too bad about it, daily runs are plagued with hackers from what i've been reading
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>>323909497
you should probably be off practicing instead of shitposting on /v/, does pretending to win arguments on the internet make your peepee hard?
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>>323909624
Of course I won.
You have a big mouth and nothing to back it up with.

You could blow me the fuck out and get whatever game you want on Steam right now, but no, you're a fucking pussy
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>>323909650
Greedbutt.com has accurate rankings, they filter out the cheaters pretty nicely and keep track of your average score and such.
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>>323909583
I've got my sticky notes filled out, but I still need to do Brains.
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>>323909650
No, the dailies definitely are. But I mean getting high score broken runs with Azazel are shitry sometimes because there are those people who know those obscure better methods to get a higher score. This is why I like using lost. Guaranteed good position on leaderboards for me.
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>>323909706
>and get whatever game you want on Steam right now
'Cept i can't. I am on a Laptop which can't use streaming software. And I wasn't that guy you were talking to.
I was:
>>323908748
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>>323909838
It doesn't matter who you are, there are multiple people ITT claiming beating greed mode as Azazel is the easiest thing ever.

Not one of them apparently has the balls to prove it. The second you want some proof they all go quiet like the shitposters they are.
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>>323909131
The first run I ever did with Lilith was one where I got the quad shot item.

You can already guess how op I was
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>>323909131
She's fun. Not the strongest, but fun.
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>>323909820
Even after you unlock everything you have to pick everything up too. So unless you've been pretty lucky you're gonna have to run Angel Room runs for hours so you can pick up Immaculate Conception and shit like that which never show up.
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>>323909917
>Not one of them has the balls to prove it
That's because it's a fact. Nothing can be done if you legitimately suck at the game, sorry if that's the case.
Anyway, I got shit to do, have a nice day and enjoy your steak.
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What's your teir list?

S++
Judas, WoB Eve

A
D6 issac, Cain, Samson, Lilith

B
Issac, Azezel, Rezed Lazarus

C
Blue baby,Eve,Maggy, Lazarus

All of the above
Eden

No fun allowed
The lost

I haven't unlocked the keeper so I can't say for him
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>>323910020
Sad attempt at getting out of it.
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feels good man
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>>323910043
In terms of winning runs or in terms of fun?

Because in terms of winning runs there's Isaac and then there's everyone else. Because it's impossible to lose an Isaac run.
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>>323909917
here's one of the autists form Yogscast doing it, it's hilarious that you're worse than these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKtLjwrEpJE
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>>323910043
In terms of strength, or in terms of fun? And why do you consider Whore of Babylon and reborn Lazarus as separate characters?
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>>323910043
The Lost is fun as heck once you unlock Holy Mantle.

It's okay though because Keeper is there to round out the "No fun allowed" tier.
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>>323910059
Prove you're willing to give the money faggot
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>>323910150
>pre-ultra greed buff

lel
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>>323910043
>Free Win tier
D6 Isaac, Azazel
>Good tier
Judas, Cain, Eve
>OK tier
Isaac, Lazarus, Maggy, Lilith goes up two tiers on Greed Mode
>Meh tier
???, The Lost with HM
>Just for the achievements tier
Keeper, The Lost

Most fun character tier: Eden
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>>323910170
And how do you think I could do that?
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>>323910314
It really doesn't make a significant difference, Ultra Greed is almost always beatable if you get to him, especially with OP characters like Azazel and Isaac
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>>323910158
Reborn Lazarus actually is a different character. He has a higher base attack multiplier and everything. Whore of Babylon Eve just negates her really shitty attack penalty.
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>>323910465
>it really doesn't make a d-difference

back pedaling already I see
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>>323910498
I know, but you shouldn't judge them separately. You pick those characters while taking into account the potential of transforming. In Eve's case you want to be in whore form pretty much all the time, though with Lazarus it's a bit more subtle.
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>>323907372
Keeper can fuck right off.
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>>323910524
You don't even know what backpedaling is

The only time Ultra Greed was difficult was the brief period of time when Nicalis made his coins way too strong. He's barely harder now than he was to begin with, the real challenge of Greed mode is getting to Ultra Greed, the fight itself is easy as fuck
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>>323910706
Money/Game is up for grabs big boy, as mentioned before.

Feel free to make more than a shitposter out of yourself anytime
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>>323910706
The real challenge is getting past the basement, maybe the caves. I don't think I've ever died past that except when it just came out.
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>>323910006
This. I've unlocked Godhead but have yet to see it. Only Angel Room item I haven't snagged.
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>>323910149
In terms of fun
>>323910158
Because they start with specials that change their stats.
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>>323910663
Keeper is pretty fun.

I think swallowed penny kinda cheapens him though.

>>323910706
The real challenge of Greed Mode is the double champion Bloat round. That is pretty much the hardest thing in the game if you ask me. Relatively to the placement and everything.
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>>323910798
no it isnt
no one is stupid enough to believe you will just give them money
there is no proof you will you are on an anonymous image board
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>>323910663
It took me 2 months of daily runs to finish Keeper's sticky note. I don't even know if I want to finish Lost and the rest of cast for Hush+Mega Satan.
My first Keeper run was horrible. I got god-tier items, blank card and Jera, saw a Mystery card on the floor and decided to see what happened.
It teleported me to Error room on Depths 2 and consumed both the Mystery and Blank card. I killed Isaac for the Wooden Nickle post-Hush and called it a day. Since then, out of ~200 runs total, only 2 have ever been good enough for end-game content/not raped by RNG double taps.
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>>323910868
I've been screwed over by the bloat a few times as The Keeper or The Lost, you have a fucking millisecond to move when he first spawns in or you just get hit by his lasers. Fuck the Bloat
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>>323911036
The Lost will be easy compared to the Keeper.
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>>323911027
Ah yes, of course. That's why you won't do it.

You could easily do it anytime, but you won't because there's a chance I might be lying and end up not giving you a steam game.

Heh.
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>>323911037
Well, yeah, Keeper and Lost are a different story, obviously. But as any character who can reliably heal himself, it's kind of a joke.

>>323911036
Lost with Holy Mantle is way easier than the Keeper, except for maybe the Mega Satan fight because Lost can't use Sacrifice Rooms.
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After 1 or 2 times you should know what you want to pick. The only really weird one is the cursed pearl where it look like the tricket.
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>>323911107
Lost is just Hush, but my RNG is total ass now, five runs in a row to Depths 1/2 and die because no damage ups all run.
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I just beat azazel on greed a few days ago

I had a lot of familiars and the orange wig which for some reason shit out ALOT of blue spiders

it carried me
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>>323911107
At first I was like 'You're high as fuck'. And then I remembered you start with holy mantle now.

Back in my day Lost was hard dangnabbit. Had to walk four miles up a hill to pump our water too.
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Get the mod that tells you what the items do.

also greed mode with azazel is piss easy.
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>>323911117
there isnt a chance you are lying
everyone knows you are are 100% lying
you are the type of retard that would go LOL THAT WAS A FLUKE DO IT AGAIN
or WELL I DIDNT SIGN ANYTHING SO NO MONEY
you are just an assmad faggot
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stupid rng crap by autist for autists only
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>>323911332
You can stop trying anytime. Just admit you couldn't pull it off on the spot and be done with it. You're getting more pathetic with every post. Now you even type like a 14 year old.
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>>323911037
I think the bloat is by far the hardest boss dusing an avarage run.
And the second hardest after a power gap is the cage or monstrous 2, for sheer tankyness
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>>323911162
>Except for the Mega Satan fight
>Because of Sacrifice rooms
It's actually not that bad if you do a run as another character every 10 runs or so and go the Angel room route.
Get some good RNG on item rooms, skip Satan room, but do look incase free shit and then 10 cents in the Donation box each floor until it jams/you get half a key.
It's way easier than people think, you aren't that gimped.
Mega Satan with Dunce Cap Crown of Light and Tech 2 is actually not that bad.
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>>323907372
>still playing this game after Edmund announced Afterbirth+, another PAID 'extension', not even 6 months after Afterbirth, which was also a PAID 'EXTENSION'.

I liked BOI and Rebirth, but Afterbirth took on a whole new level of bullshit, not to mention Afterbirth+,.
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Who /Cain/ here?
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>>323911440
Woah what? Where did he say you would have to buy Afterbirth+?
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>>323911419
What I mean is, The Lost can't guarantee he'll GET to Mega Satan even if you do everything perfectly, because without sacrifice rooms it's entirely RNG. The fight itself is not that hard, especially if you have some orbitals.
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>>323911396
I could
but you have literally no proof you are willing to spend money for it
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>>323911229
Guppy/Mulligan with Azazel or Brimstone is absurdly good.

>>323911026
>>323911036
I've yet to have an enjoyable run with Keeper. Worse than Lost.

>>323911401
>>323911037
For my money Bloat is the most annoying boss. Monstro II is sort of shit but wouldn't be that bad without the HP or red flies.
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>>323911510
There is no proof I could provide. I could always back out and not give you shit.

Regardless, it's okay. You won't do it, you can't. No one apparently can.

And so we lay rest to BS claims from people who try to make it sound as if greed mode as Azazel is the easiest thing in the game.
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>>323908641
>Tape Worm & Mom's Box with Azazel
Homemade Brimstone
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>>323911401
>monstrous 2
If you menat Monstro, you best be kidding. Monstro is by far the easiest boss next to Pin. Just because theres two of them doesn't mean it's any harder to dodge his attacks.
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>>323911440
Fucking this. The DLC was a shitshow and now he wants people to pay for another DLC so players can get an editor to fix the game themselves.
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>>323911610
probably becuase people arent bad at the game
the only reason you could die as azazel in the game period is if you are retarded and push yourself into the enemy
like holy fuck how do you even get hit as him
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>>323909583
Got my 1001% a couple of days ago. Feels good mango
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>>323911659
He means Monstro II, the guy with the laser beams.

Who's still not that hard, but he is annoyingly tanky.
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>Magdalene
>Get two lasers
>Get bunch of status effects stacked up
>get lots of black hearts and attack pickups
Ultra greed was a complete pushover.
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>>323911727
>he keeps going despite already being exposed as a fraud

adorable
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>>323911659
Monstro 2, phone auto correct.
But I didn't say they were hard, just the hardest
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>>323911496
>>323911726
http://bindingofisaac.com/post/136686594689/2
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>>323911770
Who the fuck calls Maggy Magdalene? I mean sure it's her full name but I've never heard that.
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>>323911610
No-one claimed it was the easiest, but Azazel is one of the most OP characters and was created to be a casual lazy mode for people who don't feel like playing as Eve or something. He's the character you play when you just want to kill 30 minutes on an easy Isaac run. I honestly can't understand how anyone could think he's weak, who would you rate as the strongest character?
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>>323911791
>exposed
Where exactly?
By our "inability" to prove you wrong?
Because it's not worth our time to start up a stream and prove you wrong. Cause the whole point of this thread is to bait others into replying. And congrats, you did an amazing job, enjoy your e-peen and (you)s, hope they fill that void.
Go watch any dumb shit on Youtube.
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>>323911791
Actually you are the only one who thinks im a fraud
in fact the original poster stopped ages ago
everyone here thinks you are retarded thats why so many people stopped replying
and it makes sense
what with you not being able to play the easiest character in the game without dying
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>>323907372
>>tfw can't beat Ultra Greed as Azazel

Literally managed that in 1 try, it's not even hard. What's wrong with you?
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>>323911981
>>323911976
>>323912043

>all these people going "NUH UH YOU JUST SUCK BRO!"
>not a single one of them can somehow back up their claims
>not a single one can just go and do a greed run as azazel right now

lmao
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>>323911921
I play as Azazel because of the fly ability and nothing else. Runs are incredibly frustrating RNG heavy and Azazel makes them bearable.
HOWEVER, Azazel is still fucking frustrating on the early floors because of explosive piece of shits and unless you get good heart pickups or some sort of range whatsoever your run will end early.
Basically >>323910043 overall taking into account greed mode.
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>>323910043
>God Tier aka Fun and Comfy Tier
Isaac, master of destiny
Azazel, le super edgy demon
Lilith
>Great Tier aka respectable challenge
Judas, Cain, Samson
>Ok Tier aka Balanced Tier
Eve, Maggy
>Ayy Lmao Tier
Eden
>Shit Tier
Lazarus, Blue baby
>Unfair but fun tier
The Lost
>Unfair and not fun tier
The Keeper, LET'S JUST MAKE A CHARACTER WHICH 80% OF ITEM POOL IS EITHER USELESS OR UNOBTAINABLE LMAO

fuck you McNugget
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>>323912068
people have given you a video of azazel being easy mode
its just no one wants to put in the effort to download, install, and set up streaming shit (which does take a good amount of time) and then play through the greed mode as the most boring player
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>>323912068
Why the fuck would we be willing to waste time to prove something most people already know to some retard on the internet?
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>>323911884
What in the everloving fuck am I looking at.
>it finishes Isaac
>it requires base game and DLC
>You aren't paying for mod support, it's a full expansion with mod support as a bonus
Jesus fucking Christ Steakmund.
Also,
>All those blanks intentionally placed to make everything ambiguous so they can deliver a half-assed piece of shit with no repurcussions like Afterbirth, which is still missing actually promised content.
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>>323912217
Wow a video?
What are the odds of people only uploading a video of them succeeding at it, not showing the many times they didn't do it?

I sure wonder!

And it takes no time at all to stream, shadowplay exists
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>>323912068
How fucking pathetic do you have to be to think that nobody can't do a run as the easiest character in the easiest mode of the game? Nobody wants to set up a fucking stream just to please you, bitchboy
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>>323912334
>>323912219
Keep it coming. I'm laughing so hard.

Please, more. I want MORE. Give me all your excuses for not being able to prove it despite it only taking a few minutes (far less than you spent shitposting in this thread already).
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>>323912334
Azazel actually sucks for greed mode.
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>>323912330
>shadowplay
you mean that thing that no one uses because its a piece of shit?
and no you arent getting your stream
when literally the entirety of the thread is calling you retarded its really sad that you think that you are the only person on the face of the earth who is right
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>>323912330
>>323912408
If it's so easy, set up a stream and show us how bad you are so we can give you pointers ;)
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>>323912408
I'd be happy to do it once I get home, even though it won't prove anything.
But that's more than 4 hours away and will be irrelevant in <2.
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Stop replying to him, he's mentally ill.
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>>323912408
Aight go fuck yourself, I'll go rest on my 1001% throne, you piece of loser shit
>inb4 nuh uh you don't have 1001% post pics prove it so I can disprove your evidence
Nah, go suck your own dick ya retard
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>>323912513
That's okay, I'll wait. I can be here.

At this point I really just want one of you "all bark no bite" faggots to do it. All of you say Azazel is by far the easiest character to do greed mode with and it's practically a free win.

Well go ahead. Just one of you. Not only will you get the satisfaction of blowing me the fuck out, the free steam game of your choice is still up for grabs as long as it isn't train simulator with all DLC
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>ctrl-f "Stillbirth"
>0 results

I'm honestly shocked. That copypasta shows up in every Afterbirth thread.
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>>323912686
you already got someone to do it now fuck off for four hours
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who /Guppy/ here?
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Binding of Issac is a bad game that only gets praised from people that lucked out on good items.
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>>323912686
Fine then, you can find me at DietDrBeta on Twitch.
I'll be back putting it up between 3:30 and 4:30 Central standard.
I mostly use it for hosting Jackbox during college breaks.
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Well shit, I'll be at work, I wanna see how this ends
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>>323913013
This is true but almost all the fans know this, breaking the game with the item combos is the main selling point
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>>323913018
Okay so in 5-6 hours.

You can spend the time until then thinking about which game you want.
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Do you think an infinite mode will take the fun out of things
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>>323912686
See >>323912484
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>>323913212
Cool. Is there an upper cost limit? or anything up to a single AAA game? JIC you somehow aren't lieing.
>Steak captcha
Fitting final post.
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>>323913365
Single AAA game or under would be nice, don't want to buy a huge pack or some crazy 3d modeling software for 300

Just so we are clear, the rules are simple: Start new random greed mode run as Azazel. Beat it.
That's it.

You do however only have one try.
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Afterbirth was shit DLC that did more harm than good.

Use to think Edmund was based but now he wants to sell players an editor so they can fix his stupid changes.
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>>323913294
You mean like the BASE MENT seed? Gets old fast.
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>>323913559
What harm did it do?
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>>323913212
Why are you more willing to buy an AAA game to a random stranger instead of just admitting that some people may beat Greed mode with Azazel on their first try? I'm genuinely curious.
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>>323913294
use the base ment seed
and the answer is yes it does because you arent limited to a certain number of items
basically you get stronger, enemies reach a peak and you get to point where steamrolling is an understatement and the game becomes impossible to lose
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>>323913614
Lots of nerfs, so much so that when the subreddit got pissed
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>>323913563
Like say there was a repeat after the chest or dark room
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>>323907372
>I can't beat the easiest mode with the most OP character in the game
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>>323913674
Because I do not believe that everyone can just beat greed mode with Azazel right away. Isn't that obvious?

People claim a lot of shit, especially on /v/ where they are anonymous. It's not just Binding of Isaac mind you, it happens with any game. Whenever you mention a specific character in the OP you immediately get a flock of people saying "No, [character] is actually the BEST/WORST".

I'd rather reward a guy who actually has the balls to put something behind a "no its super ez you just suck" kind of post and look like an idiot in the end than leave it like this.
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>>323913674
He has actual autism, it's pretty obvious given how oblivious he is from the numerous people telling him X yet he still believes Y.

Instead of looking into it at all or considering his stance may be misguided, he requires an arbitrary method if proof to appease his mental handicap
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>>323909583
Making prgress on Hush fights with each character.
Pic related I had a really tedious Hush fight as Blue Baby, took around 45 minutes.
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>>323913776
I think it could work but due to how items work in isaac I think items shouldn't be keep in a NG+ scenario.
Maybe keep stats and some random traits like flight or transformations. Otherwise people would just get health ups forever.
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>>323913732
Afterbirth has a lot of flaws, like how it seems to wants to punish players for getting a broken run even though that's the main draw of Isaac for many people .However, he did undo some of the nerfs and buffed some shit items like Shoop da Whoop and Crack the Sky to be pretty good. Plus I really enjoy the dailies and some of the new items.
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>>323913926
If I get Guppy's Collar, it is literally impossible to lose because of a glitch related to it.
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>>323913940
Why would you do it that way? You look like you have enough items to do it legit.
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>>323913940
That really shouldn't be necessary with that many hearts.
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>>323913901
To be fair, Azazel is bad against Ultra Greed, but it shouldn't matter too much since the way to him is easy as fuck and you should be able to pick up some strong items on the way.
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>>323914157
Really? Tell me more.
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>>323914157
Okay, I didn't know that.
But I assume people do not rely on getting Guppy's Collar to beat greed mode so it should be fine.
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>>323913926
Spare your money, Azazel really is an easy character. Not the easiest for Greed mode, that would be Lilith, but still an OP character under most circumstances. I'm not telling you just to boast my abilities in the game, it's just the truth. Yes, he has shit range, but his dmg is off the charts, and his mini-Brimstone has penetration. Also, he can fly, he starts with three black hearts BUT can also pick up regular HP. But if you can't see the truth for what it is then you deserve to pay 40$ for it, I guess. Be my guest.
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>>323908880
I've played Azazel in Greed mode only once, and I beat it.
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>>323914252
If you die with Guppy's Collar, you can simply close the game normally and reopen it, your run will still be there and you can spawn back in and immediately die, which rerolls the chance to respawn from Guppy's Collar. It's also a way to give Keeper a half soul heart.
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>>323914370
Before the buff to ultra greed or after?
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Edmund ruined the game. This is the first time I ever stopped playing a game because of the developer changes
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>>323914432
In what way, pray tell, did Breadmund "ruin" the game? Did the Stopwatch nerf trigger you? Did the fact that the charge for Box of Friends was raised from two rooms to four send you into a fit of rage? Tell me more, anon. I'm curious to hear more of your tales.
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>>323914071
I know that a lot of players enjoy the broken runs but I think Edmund never had that as his vision for the game, it was always just supposed to be a twinstick shooter with a large number of powerups to add variation to runs. The most broken thing in the original was chocolate milk with brimstone and now we've got combos like blank card+habit+sun that make it literally impossible to die no matter how bad you are.
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Indie developers need to stop nerfing things in single player games.
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>>323914185
>>323914227
Just for shit´s and giggles really.
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>>323914592
Not him but a lot of the new enemies and bosses suck ass and are even more tedious to fight than the vanilla ones, that was the main thing that ruined it for me.

Gets really fucking boring yo fight a million blue leeches from that shitter that summons them in a floor seemingly dedicated to blue leeches.
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>>323913901
>le aza=op face
>le artificial difficulty face
>le internet tough guy face
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>>323915161
>Blue Leeches

The worst edition to the game, why do they have so much fucking HP? Why is there an enemy that summons them endlessly? What an awful fucking idea it takes 7-8 shots to kill a single one without damage ups as if the game wasn't tedious enough without them already. Same thing with Ragman giving enemies inflated hp for no real reason is not fun.
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>>323913901
>most op character
>not lilith

azazel starts out good but his attack really turns to shit late game, especially against bosses like isaac/hush/ultra greed

lilith on the other hand starts out good and and goes into game breaking mode as soon as you get anything battery or familiar related
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>>323915161
I agree, that enemy's pretty shit. But then again so is Envy, or the brimstone wall-spiders. The game's full of those, just because Afterbirth brought along some more of those fuckers it doesn't mean it ruined the game. Most new enemies are fine, honestly. Now the brimstone ghosts, on the other hand...
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>>323914592
Continous nerfs and changes with no explanation. I didn't mind the stop watch nerf since at least he told the community why he did it. It was a shitty reason mind you, but a reason nonetheless.
They still won't release patch notes. The guy ignores everyone, and clearly does not care about the quality of the game anymore. Afterbirth was just a big ass dissapointment. The alt floors only change one or two enemies and the music,they're pretty much recolors. The secret boss is just boring and not engaging to fight against. New items are nice but the originality is clearly falling off,with items that are literally recolors of rebirth items and stuff like "love bean" "giga bean"
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Azazel without brimstone = shit

+range items need to have more of an effect on his attack range imo
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>>323913901
This. I'm not very good at this game and i beat ultra greed with azazel first try.
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>>323915652
Must've had good RNG
:^)
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>>323914674
>implying Habit wasn't way more broken in the original
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>>323915161
*to
I hate typing on a phone

I'm not sure if it's proven, but it seems many of the new enemies are tanky, there's more obvious examples with bosses but even the shitty recoloured "new" enemies in afterbirth appear to have more health, and for me it was the last straw that made me realise I wasn't having fun anymore.

>>323915435
Biggest issue are the new earlygame bosses which, whilst appropriately easy, are oddly tanky. It further forces you to cheese it early on, and as a player that preferred not to scum (nothing wrong with scumming early game mind you, it's basically required for Keeper), I just got fed up of wasting time attacking a bland bossfight.

TL;DR it's not all terrible, dailies are great (although the scoring system is a bit backwards in my opinion), but the additional tedium of some of the new enemies sent me over the edge to finally stop playing.
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>>323915363
It's a shame, because I really enjoy that enemy design. A leech that charges in cardinal directions but explodes in diagonal one is a really good design, because it means you have to play chicken with them. But I have no idea why they need to be so tanky.

Same with Rag Man, who for some reason has the same HP as Monstro, despite the fact that he's constantly spawning enemies that you need to control. Pretty good core design, but the numbers are way overboard.
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>>323909918
>lilith + quad shot + laser ring tears + the habit
>mfw boss rush
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>>323914674
thing is now that there's so many items, getting a combination of three specific ones in a single run is immensely low. even if you have the D6 and perthro unlocked, good luck actually finding a habit in the maybe two or three stores you'll encounter.

and really, since brimstone was always immensely OP even on its own, i don't think complete balance was his intention.
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>>323910161
I got the missing poster and killed myself in a sacrifice room but I didn't unlock The Lost, what gives?
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>>323916058
Do you have Afterbirth?
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>>323915515
Weird, I honestly thought the new items were some of the most original he has put in the game so far. Multidimensional baby, Continuum, Purity, Eden's Blessing, Night Light, Chaos, Crown of Light, even Incubus or Succubus are great and are an incredible addition to the game. I agree, alt floors are pretty meh (especially the Dank Depths - what's even the point of that?) and I would have loved for the Blue Womb to be an entire new path, but it's not all bad. Greed mode's incredibly fun, Lilith's fun, Keeper's shit, the Lost buff was needed to make him a genuinely fun character, and the Eve nerf works beautifully. The dailies are very fun, and in the rare days where there are special dailies the fun is doubled. It got a hundred of extra hours of gameplay from me, which for that price is a fucking steal.
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>>323916092
Yes.
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>>323916218
Eve buff*, my bad.
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>>323916230
I dunno then. It wasn't on a daily, challenge or seeded run, was it?
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Greed Mode is incredibly easy, especially as azazel who is widely regarded to be the easiest character.

>Practice not getting hit

>Collect coins

>But the right stat-ups, plus occasional health up for devil deals

That's really all there is to it.
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>>323916230
Sure it was the Missing Poster and not the Missing Page? The one with Isaac's little face on it.
Sure it was a Sacrifice and not a Curse room? The one with the spikes in the middle and little-nothing else.
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>>323916218
Don't forget Spider Mod
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>>323916218
Also adding to that, the self-sacrifice room buff was HUGELY needed, and the L-shaped and tiny rooms coupled with the hundred new room layouts help give the game some new variety. The new UI is really helpful and having to beat Hush and Mega Satan with every character has been a fun challenge for me. However the unlocks for beating Mega Satan are completely shit, and the unlocks for doing things with the Keeper are trash-tier so there's that.
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>>323916365
no

>>323916396
>Sure it was the Missing Poster and not the Missing Page?
yes

>Sure it was a Sacrifice and not a Curse room?
yes

Edmund fucked me.
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>>323910314
Ultra greed is the easiest part of the run, though.

The hard part is the middle if your upgrades run poorly. By the end you can pretty much always average it out.
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Oh they aren't all bad,anon. Some of the new ones are really good, but the bad ones are getting worse and worse. The dailies are pointless for me since I don't have any steam friends,so I just don't even bother.
Character buffing was nice,specially the lost, but I don't really count that as part of the expansion. It was something they eventually needed to add,and since afterbirth was coming out they said "fuck it,why not"
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>>323914823
mod name?
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>>323916582
I dunno, every 'expansion' added some shitty and boring items. For every Ludovico Technique, there's a Butter Bean.
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>>323916919
Let's just agree that every bean item is shit and shouldn't exist in the first place
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>>323909583
Got mine on New Years, and damn does it feel good

tfw can't maintain a steady Eden streak now tho
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>>323917023
Eh. Giga Bean is okay. Black Bean is okay purely because its passive so there's no real reason NOT to take it, but still a worse Poison Touch. Other than that, yes.
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>>323916862
Afterbirth.
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>>323917170
He probably meant

https://github.com/networkMe/missinghud2
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>>323917103
Black Bean is actually a better poison touch because it's an AoE instead of contact only, does as much damage, and can hit nearby enemies as well.
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>>323917103
Well I mean they're not 100% horrible but they're instant rerolls. I would never grab black bean though, just because I dislike it so much.
Giga bean's ok if I don't have any other active, but most of the time I do. I would take lemon mishap over giga bean any day of the week
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>>323907372
Pure memorization will save your life anon.

Azazel's ironically the worst character in Greed mode, due to how Ultra Greed is programmed. Your best bet is to stack as much range as you can along with shit like poison/flies/spiders/slow and the like, and let them do the damage.
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>>323916862
Missing Hud 2
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>>323917264
Nah. Black Bean is worse because the AoE is small, and Poison Touch works during invincibility time so you can infect things by yourself. Also, Poison Touch causes black hearts to drop. Not to mention that Poison Touch works with Unicorn Stump/Horn/Chariot/Gamekid while Black Bean does not.
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>It's another "if you get hit this occurs" item
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>>323917383
Huh. I did not know about the black heart thing and never thought about invincibility frames.

I thought Serpent's Kiss was the only Poison yields Black Hearts thing.
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>>323917345
>someone actually agrees Azazel is crap in greed mode
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>>323917414
Hey, if you get enough of them, you can get a crazy good breaking run. They're great on Samson too.

>>323917484
It didn't use to. They changed it in Afterbirth to apply Serpent's Kiss poison instead of normal poison.
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>>323908115
Azazel is the best character in the game that isn't Isaac w/D6. The fucker can fly, does a ton of damage for the early game, and his range is only an issue if you get a Range Down or two. Even his base range is good enough for quick hit and run strategies. The only real boss he has an issue with is Hush, and that's just the same fight strategy as you would do when fighting Ultra Greed.
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>>323915248
>actually thinking azazel isn't OP
>being this much of a scrub
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>>323917515
Azazel is great for anyone who isn't the Hush or Ultra Greed. Even then, as I've been saying in my last few posts, stacking on-hit effects basically makes that a moot point. Add in a few Range Ups, and maybe a little bit of damage to take care of the little fucks he spawns in, and all that's left is to dodge his relatively easy patterns. Maybe I just think it's easy because I got 1001%, iunno.
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>>323917414
cat brush
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>>323917303
I think a big problem has been that a lot more characters start with active items they don't want to drop nowadays. Isaac has his d6, Judas has belial, Lilith has friend box, Keeper has wooden nickel, Eve has razor blade, and none of them would want to drop their starting item for a giga bean.
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>>323917772
Fun fact: there's an upper limit to the damage reduction Hush and Ultra Greed can have.
I know because while on some broken runs, I can melt mini Hush and then struggle forever vs. Hush
But a semi-recent run as Lilith with Ipecac Guppy and a billion flies literally shredded him because of damage scaling + insane damage/hit.
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is the autistic faggot in charge of this game finished with this "arg" bullshit? is the game in a playable state or will there be more "content" patches that fuck up preexisting saves?
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Honestly, I'm pretty good at Isaac (100%'d Rebirth, have yet to have time for Afterbirth though) but Azazel is amongst my worst characters. We're talking Lazarus-tier. I think it's because he plays so differently from all the others, and I find him pretty boring so I'm not as focused.
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>>323910043
the keeper is a lot worse than the lost because most items do shit for you
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>>323917975
>or will there be more "content" patches that fuck up preexisting saves?

There's more incoming, though I haven't kept up with the game to know what. Last I recall there's going to be a bestiary, finally. You can probably expect some more bullshit ideas like pre-buff SPEED or something as well.
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>>323917975
The "expansion" is "content complete."
And future patches should be solely "balance" and bugfixes.
Saves won't be fucked anymore.
However, there is ANOTHER Paid DLC coming in <6 months with modding support.
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>>323918125
That won't be a patch, that will be new DLC.
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>>323917928
One thing I saw somebody suggest is to periodically stop attacking Hush, wait, and then drop a single bomb. Supposedly that makes the damage reduction scaling reset and scale to a single bomb's worth of damage, giving you time to hit him with less reduction after he readjusts. Is that true or no?

Also damage reduction is an awful mechanic, in one run I had a Devil card at Hush and had to stop and ask myself it it was going to actually do anything.
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>>323918191
Edmund's gonna make me pay for something that should of been in Rebirth from the get-go? Why am I not surprised.
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>>323918381
There will be new content as well. Bosses, items, stages and such. It's bullshit that he's packaging mod support with it though.
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>>323918381
Because he claims it's going to be a full expansions, like Afterbirth, comedy right there.
That said, Afterbirth hasn't even delivered everything it promised.
Most notably, the first point on the list: A new end-game area.
Hush isn't a new end-game area, it's a side area and only provides an ending once.
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>>323918613
Ultra Greed is a new area that ends the game.
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>>323918459
I'm not falling for this shit, not preordering
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>>323918687
That was tied to a different point, "A whole new way to play the game."
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>>323918459
you mean we have to pay for shit that should have just been in afterbirth to begin with but edmund is just being a cunt
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>>323918786
Nobody said the points were mutually exclusive, Anon! Now give me money so I can bake your next steak.
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>>323908457
>actually wanting Health Up items

Protip, the best amount of Red Hearts to have is either 1 or 0. Typically I prefer 1 Red Heart, as it lets me take larger Devil Deals for cheap. Along with that, you get access to both the regular Arena and the Boss Area rooms, and if you're not terrible at the game, you should have better, if not consistent access to the Devil/Angel rooms due to how their appearance is calculated.

The biggest issue with having just one Red Heart is that people tend to forget how much health they actually have when they hit a Curse of the Unknown. The simplest answer that I have for that is to simply git gud and not get hit.
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>>323918709
same here
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>>323918840
Yes. I'm not buying it and just going to enjoy downloading mods through third-party sites like always.
Maybe if it hits $2 when I have some change left over.
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>>323909583
Reporting in. Keeper was annoying, but pre-Afterbirth Lost was far more infuriating to play as.
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>>323918938
$2? That's a good one. It will be like 10$ when it's on sale
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>>323909583
only need to pick up mega blast for 1001%
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>>323909131
>Lilith + Mom's Knife + Quad Shot
>For some reason mashing the shoot button with Lilith's familiars keeps the knives extended at max range forever
>Melt Hush in five seconds flat
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>>323919587
Ah, the only NLIAGAHFYM strategy.
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>>323909583
I'd still need to finish Lost and Keeper runs, and Hard Mode on some bosses with a few characters, but I really don't give enough of a shit
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>>323908021
Sure until you get an item like voltage baby and then you have 50 copies of basically yourself ramming your dick up the boss' ass.
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>tfw only need to pick up godhead, mega blast, the wiz, missing no., and the candle for 1001%
>no motivation to constantly run just for items with isaac + d6
i am dishonor
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>>323918613

Hush was going to be an endgame area. As in that's where the game would end and you'd get the credits. That's why there's an ending for when you beat him and the reason the area is kind of fashioned like an end-game starting area (bunch of chests and items). But playtesters disliked that you couldn't have the option to keep going, especially after getting a bunch of new items. So they added in the beam of light/sheol hole.

My guess is that they are going to add a new boss or area after Hush now. One of the blanks on the blog can fit in "new ending" and the only way to have a new ending is for there to be a new boss to fight.
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>>323920219
Or a merger of the Dark Room/Chest route.
Honestly, Hush should have been a "neutral" end route from Womb 2 down, had some rooms before the boss room and the loot boxes, and a bunch of nightmare creatures and such.
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Not sure if there's anyone here that'll even need it, but if anyone wants some tips about Isaac in general, I can probably give a few.

For reference, I've gotten 1001% in Afterbirth, The Real Platinum God back when Rebirth was new, and I need to get Platinum God back again in the original so I can finally get that bugged achievement to unlock in the original Isaac.
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>>323920816
But did you get Eternal God?
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>>323907372
Thfuck? Read all the new items on the cheat sheet. Done. Increase Azazels range, it works now. Ludovico = OP ring of death. Improvise. Different characters require different strategies for them to be good. Lilith is crap without her starting item, she was designed to make you use the babies since they were worthless before.
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>diplopia

this item alone makes afterbirth great

>mfw mutant spider + mutant spider through diplopia

fun fact, it doesn't even impact your firing speed to pick up both of them, it only gives you eight tears
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>>323920816
>Bugged achievement in the original Isaac.
Oh the pain. I met the requirements for Platinum God and it never unlocked, because even though I got the Steam achievements, all the items, etc.
>The game gave me the unlock for Eve's Bird Foot as both Eve and Samson and thus never registered me as a "True Platinum God."
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>>323920947
Eternal God's literally the only thing I don't have in the original, and that's because I deleted my data for the original ages ago. When the Eternal update came out, I started up a new file and just bumrushed that content. I'm guessing it not only looks for the Eternal Content having been completed, but also to see if you meet the criteria for Platinum God, which I currently do not. Honestly, it's more of a pain to re-achieve it than it's worth, just to satiate my autism for this fucking game.
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>>323921264
>since they were worthless before.
Lil' Brimstone, Mongo Baby, and Demon Turret would like to have a word with you. Plus a lot of the new babbies in Afterbirth are great.
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>>323921398
Fair enough, I was just fucking with you anyway. I haven't done the Eternal stuff because I can't go back to the Flash version after Rebirth.
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>>323920816

I just started playing rebirth, do you have to fight any other bosses in the game like secret bosses or does it only goto moms heart?

Also is afterbirth an add on dlc or an expansion pack with different story/bosses.

How do I get angel rooms to appear as well?
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>>323909583
Fuck no its not worth it, the lost and keeper are shit even with him starting with holy mantle
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>>323921425
Don't get me wrong there are babies I go for but I mean how many times have u found brother bobby and said FUCK YEA!! With Lilith every baby u pick up is worth it.
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>>323921907
I dunno man, the only babies that were 100% lame before were Bobby and Maggy. But even then if they were free items you might as well grab em in case you get a D4 or find a Dice room later. And now they can even trigger the tumors transformation which is nice.

The other babies like Double Shot, Rainbow, Robo Baby 1.0 and 2.0, weren't anything AMAZING but they certainly weren't bad either.
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>>323921489
I figured as much. The Eternal content in Isaac really isn't that fun, honestly. It could be just that I'm bad at the original after spending so much time on Rebirth/Afterbirth, but the Eternal enemies felt about as fun to fight as playing as Afterbirth!Lost was. Complete bullet sponges, with nerfs across the board for a lot of items.

For fucks sake, the D6 has a pretty fucking huge chance of removing whatever item you're trying to reroll in the Original now, that's just retarded. I get trying to make the D6 less OP, but that certainly wasn't the way to go about it.

>>323921740
>Mom's Heart

Minor spoiler here. You have to kill Mom's Heart ~8 or 9 times from what I recall, then kill the new boss that spawns in it's place.

There's more that comes after that, you're a little more than halfway through the actual game content, story-wise.
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>>323911440
>quit the game due to RNG horse shit and crazy shit that steakmund was pulling a while back.
>start playing again.
>see this

And all interest is lost. Too bad I can't refund I think
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>>323921740
Whoops, accidently posted too soon somehow.

>Is Afterbirth DLC or an Expansion pack?
It's both. A lot of the changes introduced in Afterbirth were widely derided in the fanbase, but it does add more bosses and items, some of which are pretty cool.

All you need for Angel Rooms is to not take a Devil Deal. You then have ~50% chance for one to spawn in place of a Devil Deal, whenever you fulfill the requirements for a Devil Deal to spawn in.
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>>323922356

I'll prop wait until I've played rebirth a lot and got familiar with the items and stuff then move to afterbirth then. I'm enjoying what I played so far.

>>323922102

I will keep this in mind. Seem like it's gonna take me a while to get to that many kills. Just got over the hump of a -12 streak.
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