Why do grapplers exist? Does ANYONE enjoy playing against them?

They're great for detecting shitters

9 times out of 10 they'll just try for jump-in SPDs and leave themselves open for easy punishes, or just get wrecked on spacing and footsies.

I do as long as it isn't Zangief.
>Muh sweep SPD OS
>Muh invincible EX banishing flat
>Muh banishing flat whiff gimmicks

>>323873024
Grapples need to be reworked at their core. They need to actually be threatening when they get in instead of relying on shitty gimmicks.

>>323874320
So basically all grapplers need to be Hugo.

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>>323873024
I'm fine.

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>>323874731
DELETE THIS

>>323874731
>Bison/Hugo
Goddamn this matchup is a pain.

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>>323876374

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Reminder that if you play Dhalsim, Bison or Blanka you're gay.

>>323878201
Dhalsim and Bison are nice and honest characters.
Thats why they are in SF5.

Blanka can go fuck himself.

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>>323878201
>Dudley shitter

>>323874731
I don't get it.

>>323878661
Bisons HK is like a loaded revolver.
Most grapplers have huge issues getting past it.

>>323873024
>Why do grapplers exist?
so you could complain about them

>>323878661

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBQ5AS1kqBM

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>>323878284
Eventhough Bison is kinda cheap he's not that bad but Dhalsim is just pure faggotry, try fighting your typical coward Dhalsim with a Dudley and then you tell me how "honest" he is.
>>323878528
>HURR DURR I'M NEVER OPEN GET NEAR AND I ELECTROCUTE YOU XD

I do. Something about beating up a big character with a smaller one gets my blood pumping.

>>323878879
I am far from good at fightan games but there is no fucking reason for those people to get hit by that more than twice in a row

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>>323878935
>Play a character with a mediocre neutral game that can't open people up for shit without struggling his ass off
>Have a difficult time with characters that can defend themselves well
Ain't that some shit.

I play gief you would be amazed at how many people I kill with spd and double lariat, and I know shit all about fighting games.

>>323873024
Sounds like someone wants to get SPDed nigga.

>>323879090
It's an absurdly good button.
Outranges and stuffs nearly everything.

>>323879090
Wanna give it a try? Got USF4 on PC?

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>>323879093
Actually i do well agains some Blankas depending on the player but still he's just annoying, up there with Dhalsim and El Fuerte.

>>323878935
You're a retard but Sim teleport/yogafire mixups are so fucking annoying.

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>>323879763
>Ingrid
Good taste

But seriously Dhalsim is about as "honest" as it gets. The bulk of his gameplay hinges on "use your buttons better than the other guy's buttons". You struggle against Dhalsim and Blanka because Dudley struggles to open people up in general and depends heavily on gaining and maintaining momentum. He's Blowout: The Character, and to me that's far less interesting than Dhalsim or Blanka.

Fuck El Fuerte

FUERTE AND PROUD

A style that is low risk/effort but still has high reward, grapplers need to be reworked, Guilty gear and King Of Fighters have it right

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>>323879894
Those mixups are easy to read just neutral jump as soon as he yoga fires, what annoys me is the whole jumping back while continuously attacking and when you finally get near he teleports behind you and it' the same shit all over again.
>>323880085
Eventhough Dudley is my main i play almost every character in SF and believe it or not my best option against a Dhalsim is Hugo.

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>>323880513
>Grapplers
>Low Risk/High reward

Stop. Grapplers only dominate at low levels of play, and keep up at mid level of play. High level of play, and they take insane amounts of knowledge, reads, and skill just to do anything.

>>323880345
Mentally retarded and proud more like it.
I'll respect a Blanka before an Elf.

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At ease, loosuhs.

>>323880513
>Low risk/effort high reward
Jesus no.
At any level where people start using footsies a grappler gets BTFO hard.

Unless they have Gief tier OS and L SPD range.

>>323874731
This button is a miracle of the universe

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>>323880513
>A style that is low risk/effort
Man all GG and KoF dickriders are fucking RETARDED

Are you that guy who said that GG is more honest than Street Fighter?

>>323880894
>>323880640
This isn't true at all, grapplers have no problem getting to do what they want, it just takes a few seconds for them to get in. This is even more so since "footsies" don't exist anymore

>>323881668
Yeah remember when fighting games patched out footsies?

Fucking joker.

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>>323879516
> Be 4kpp Bison
> Shitters compliment you for not using St.HK, cause they don't know how easily it gets whiff punished.
> Bison HK spam meme overshadows st.mk, arguably the best poke in the game.
>mfw

>>323881808
yeah around 09

>>323881986
Fucking Joker.

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>>323881668
>can't deal with grapplers
> footsies don't exist anymore!

Did they make Zangief easier to play? The 360 motion for grapples intimidated me but I respect grapplers. Except Hugo.

>>323882569
he is brainded easy

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>>323882569
>Respect grapplers except for Hugo
>The most grappler-ass grappler in SF
>LITERALLY the most honest grappler in SF

What did someone Hammer Mountain your mom or something?

>>323882847
Seriously I cant understand how someone couldn't respect Hugo.

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Potemkin is the best grappler of all time. Still have never played a character as fun as Potemkin. Hell he isn't even good in most of his games but the way he plays is beast.

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>>323884206
Potemkin is super fun yeah. I like Victor a lot myself.

>>323883816
Retarded ugly character

Street fighter should take notes from BB and just be cool characters like Cody and Sakura

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>>323884206
>>323884364
In my opinion Tizoc is the best "classic" bulky grappler and Ramon the best of the "technical" grapplers.

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>>323884659
>Cody
>Cool

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>>323873024
>MFW this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJu0euwBisE

I will never forget it.

>>323874731
>TFW Guile
Kek. Grapplers BTFO.
Also, Bison BTFO.

>>323878201
Bison isn't for fags, unless we're talking Super Turbo, then yeah, Bison is for fags. A2 Bison is a dick too, but he can be honest too.

>>323881813
Seriously.
All those dumbasses who freaked out about Bison not having standing hk in SFV must have felt pretty stupid when he ended up being bullshit good in Beta 2 anyways.

Bison is one of those characters that for some reason attracts people who think their character is crap, even when top tier. Just like Ibuki players.

>>323883816
Clap spam is annoying as shit, and only exists to beat on people who don't know the matchup.

>>323884206
>Potemkin
That's a funny way to spell "Wolf Hawkfield"

>>323885343
>Clap spam
Man you must hate all that Ryu fireball spam too.

At least you can interrupt claps.

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Theres surprise beta coming up. ps4 users can download 4gb patch thats titled " Version 1.08 - Overall renewal for next Beta Test" some people suspecting its for the review users but they get disc for it.

>>323873024
They let scrubs be competitive.

Not everyone can 1-frame link or memorize combos and strings.

They are fundamentally high risk characters who require patience to play at any kind of high level since that playstyle almost inherently makes them more difficult to use in high level play and rely on hard reads. You need to be in the right mindset to play them. And as someone else mentioned they are relatively low execution in most games which is a plus for some people. I find that the people who play grapplers tend to REALLY like grapplers and might not be as inclined to explore the rest of the cast if they don't fit that archetype.

I don't really play them, other than Cerebella. I tend to prefer kinda faster mixup grapplers like Abel, laura, r mika who might not have very good 2 frame spds with tons of range like gief for example but use the command grab as a mixup option during their superior pressure.

>>323886690
Gief's SPD in V is 5 frame.

Honestly I would've preferred 4 frame since DPs are nerfed but 5 frame is totally usable.

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>>323873024
What's wrong, can't handle the king?
Stop looking for the bulge it isn't there.

>>323887175
does he tuck?

>tfw playing as Hugo is the most fun I had in years
There's something magical about shouting random german words.

>>323887282
He'd have a cup.

>>323878879
I think I saw a Forward kick slip in there.

>>323887594
good point

grapplers are mashing characters for retards lmaooooooooo

>>323874731
>decide to learn Bison as I've learned most of the other cast
>this button gets pushed literally 90% of the time
That kick is just so fucking good. Range, speed, damage is just nuts. It just stuffs so many attempts to get in too. Just get the lead and keep niggas out with kicks all day long.

>>323887175
I like King and all, but they gave him way too many different ways to grab opponents.

>>323888115
It's that and light scissors.
>Beats focus
>Beats backdash
>Beats footsies
>Safe on block
>Hard to neutral jump punish

>>323888238
>Beats focus
Unless the first hit whiffs.

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>>323873024
To give us zoners something to humiliate

>>323888502
You gotta be pretty stupid to whiff the first hit.

>>323880542
>Dhalsim/Hugo
HOW
That stretch armstrong motherfucker completely eludes me.

>>323888651
Just make good use of EX lariat and EX backbreaker, wait for him to try to mix you up with his bullshit and go for a throw or at least some quick combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95nc-_5jbGE
Shit like this is why I want to git gud with grapplers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uIBRApifR4

>>323893046
>not this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXF9mEMYYKk
Although you'll probably never be able to pull them off aside from noob crushing.

>>323888120
And most will never ever be used in any real match.

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what do you guys feel like when you are matched with the most unique character of all, vega?

do you just stand there charging focus over and over for some reason even though you're rank A+ and give me free wins?

>>323884364
It's just too bad Victor is always severely underpowered. Hell, in Hunter Talbain, the rushdown character, way outranks him in damage output.

>>323873024
>against them

That's not why they were made desu

>>323885323
>Was rank like 51 in CT online because I'd just play Tager and cheese people with atomic collider resets or get one combo into a sledge whiff distortion setup

Tager was fucking prime for garnering hate mail.

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I only have an issue with SF4 grapplers that aren't Hugo. Because none of them play like traditional grapplers, or have the weaknesses grapplers should have.

>Gief has 3 simple answers to get through fireballs, combined with solid buttons

Combine that with sweep OSd into an SPD that catches the best backdashes in the game and some other ridiculous shit and you're not even playing a grappler anymore.

Makoto is literally more of a grappler than Gief.

>>323880894
It's like you've never watched the Filipinoman/Snake Eyez sets.

>>323895865
You're acting as if the sweep OS wasn't completely trash, it's not a proper OS if you just have to block and punish.

It's as much of a mixup for the defending player as for the gief.

>>323884818
>Fucking Tom Cody
>not cool

>>323890651
>Use your moves good
Wow thanks for the advice senpai

>>323896056
snake eyes is a huge fraud, also he destroys all the westcoast fags because of the fraudulence

Because they're cool.

>>323878201
That shirt makes him look tiny

>>323873024
so youre confirmed for sucking against them, yes?

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>>323896292
You're supposed to escape against grapplers, far reaching OS grabs to maintain pressure are just counterintuitive to that.

I understand that I'm supposed to be guessing against a grappler on my wakeup, and the decision to backdash and eat the appropriate punish and to block and eat and SPD is a massive part of that, but man does it rub me the wrong way when people talk all about how HARD READS and COMMITMENT grapplers take while all the best ones utilize the fuck out of these options. Gief literally has a move dedicated to beating escape options, and yet it's always used behind option selects. It takes the whole grappler mindset and flashes it down the drain.