People who like Oblivion: >oldfags/mature gamers People who

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No.

>>323855856
There has never been a good elder scrolls game

>>323855856
I initially read both as 'dislike' and completely agreed. So hang yourself, basically.

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Maybe i like Morrowind because there was sufficient cause/effect that lacks in later TES titles

>>323855856
Morrowind UI is the best out of all the elder scrolls games shut your whore mouth

I played both games shortly after both their releases and I do like both, but Oblivion's world building and overall comfyness is far superior. I don't give a shit about the hate it gets from /v/ because I'm old enough to know that personal taste is subjective.

>>323855856

we can agree that Skyrim is objectively worse than both

>>323856161
Nope clunky and unintuitive

>>323856569
for sure

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>>323856096

>>323855856
Oblivion > Daggerfall > Skyrim > Morrowind > Arena

>>323855856
No crappy markers and quest list in Morrowind you litterally have to remember what you have to do and who you spoke to.
There is no rpg system in later tes games, there just go here do this, no messing quests up or destrying your ability to complete the game for being a moron.
You are a god in oblivion and skyrim, in Morrowind you cant even handle a cliff racer untill you practiced your skills.

Best tes game, just dated now.

>>323856714
You aren't a God in Oblivion, you're just a normal guy who ends up being very important.

>>323856804

Literally the opposite. By the end of the The Shivering Isles you become Sheogorath.

Sheo even talks about being the Hero of Kvatch and fighting in the arena. Nigga mantled a Daedric Prince.

>>323856804
I didnt mean litterally, I meant you can beat anyone or anything in battle. In Morrowind you see a dremora in the ashlands before you are ready ....your gonna have a bad time
The leveling and scaling of enemies is unreal.

>>323856926
So the oblivion pc becomes a daedric god and kills another? TES lore is confusing

>>323856926
Well I'm talking basegame.
Oddly enough I never played any of the DLC despite having it for years.
>>323856993
Oblivion level scaling is considered far too difficult and crazy on the contrary.
Morrowind combat is clunky and unsatisfying. Like I said in the OP only for people who think games aren't fun.

>>323856692
I've only beaten Oblivion and Arena,
I've played all 5 games and have a level cap
on ESO. This being stated.

Oblivion>Arena>Skyrim>Daggerfall>Morrowind

ESO could have been so much better

>>323857217

Sheogorath (the original one) becomes Jygallag in game, it's hype and a cool ass boss fight.

So now there's no Sheogorath, so you take on his role and take up the mantle, you are now Sheogorath - the Hero of Kvatch.

>>323855856
I like both

>>323856714

I really liked the challenge of morrowind after playing oblivion and skyrim, you had to plan your character really well, use alchemy and use common sense when attacking enemies. My favorite thing about morrowind is that the game doesnt hold your hand trough the game, you have to listen for advices and follow directions.

Pretty much, most people who shit on oblivion are skyrimfags who pretend to have played morrowind

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morrowind > skyrim > oblivion

>>323856610
>very little clicks per action, just right click and do thing
>window based UI designed for PC mouse controls
>windows are resizeable, customizable, and can be brought out to the real time gameplay
If Morrowind is clunky and unintuitive, then the rest are borderline retarded.

>>323857234
>Morrowind combat is clunky and unsatisfying

So is Oblivion's.

>>323856714
I found Oblivion harder than Morrowind to be honest. Maybe it's because the combat isn't simply "attack this until you land a hit" or "drink a shit ton of potions until you kill everything in a single strike".

Once you've trained your skills to a decent level in Morrowind the game is a breeze.

>>323857570

This, after a few levels and well leveled skills the game gets way too easy.

>>323857547
You cannot look me in the post number and say that Oblivion combat is as bad as Morrowind's.
If Oblivion is bad, Morrowind is awful, horrible, terrible.

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Hello

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>>323857535

>going from the strange sinister glass armor in Morrowind to that

>>323857234
>Morrowind combat is clunky and unsatisfying.
Have you ever played the game, I mean leveled up? There is no difference with all 3 last tes games combat but dkyrim has death moves and Morrowind has a table top hit detection based on your skills and level of skill points. When you get to level 25 onwards and his points in your weapon you never miss, test it out if you got the game level up in console command

Oblivion level scale is stupid, bandits walking around in deadric armor late game

>>323855856
>considering morrowind newfags trying to fit in

I'll let you know what, I like Daggerfall you silly cunt. I like Daggerfall and Arena, that much mature I am, I play games on higher physical and mental level. That high level you can't even imagine. You consider 2006 game a game for oldfags? I will let you know what, 2006 is 3 years after 4chan and that's a fucking lot of years. Oblivion is obviously game for newfags such like you.

>>323857483
>>323857535
like pottery

Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind

>>323857438
This is it anon, I remember when I first played it, kept going in and out of my journal, speaking to everyone, I spend an entire week irl in vivec. It was challenging, I was too weak to go off the roads untill level 30. I completed it never using any magic too, pure sword and shield

>>323857886
Most "PC master race" fags didn't get into shit until 06-07 when games like Oblivion and Crysis hit the scene. PC gaming was niche before that.

>>323857879
I've played Morrowind but it's just such a clunky, ugly, unsatisfying game to play. Combat is just spamming clicks until you make a hit and even when you do there's no impact and there's a fucking PUNCHING sound effect when you're fucking slashing.
It's fucking embarrassing.
>>323857886
I say Oblivion is for oldfags because generally newfags say that it looks like shit and plays like shit, which they wouldn't say if they actually played it when it came out.

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>>323855856
I like both. What does that make me?

>>323858213
It looked and played like shit when it came out. Just like EVERY Bethesda game. I was there, Iw as disappointed just like I was in Morrowind.

>>323858159

Glad to hear someone else enjoyed the challenge.

Yeah i spent quite some time in vivec aswell.

I recently started another run of morro this time i made a dunmer, with kinda of a mix of spellsword/ranger build.

>>323858320
the only good poster on /v/

>Oblivion is considered classic TES now.

I thought it was Morrowind was the cool old one, with some unplayable 2d ones before that nobody remembers and nobody played.

>>323857540
Yea anon I had my ui,4 windows all on screen at once, could drag and drop items in the world real no hassle, that consolized oblivion and skyrim ui is near unplayable with a pc, you nees the ui mods, op is retarded

>>323858213
Oblivion was one of best looking RPGs but I really didn't like the combat. I mostly just explored cities because they looked really good - and they still do. Skingrad was my town.

>>323858320
That does make you anime poster.

>>323858442
the who first played oblivion at age 13 are now /v/s primary constituency

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>>323857535
No

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>>323858527
>Oblivion was one of best looking RPGs

>>323857705
It's not that much worse and it has more magic effects to bring to combat.

>>323858595

Even so, wasn't it pretty clear even then that it was very casualized?

I remember people and magazines talking about how it was a great game but very much dumbed down and made generic. The whole Oblivion is a gem meme is super new and only exists on /v/.

>>323858442
Morrowind is a memegame at this point.
It's like /mu/'s TMR or Faust. Newfags just say they like it in order to fit in.

>>323858880
TMR is great, Faust is shit.

>>323858773
Magic effects that sound like a fucking slide whistle.

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>>323858670
>anime

>>323858953
Agreed.
I didn't mean to say either is shit, I'm just saying that regardless of their +/- qualities that's how they/Morrowind is treated. A quick ticket to "patricianhood" or whatever.

>>323858213
>Combat is just spamming clicks until you make a hit
Thats what I mean, you couldnt hav leveled up and completed the game, its only like that when you have low level in you weapon skills. The later tes games you were a compitent warrior at the start, especially skyrim, leveling u was stupid for a tes game (though I like it,level what you use) you had to have played Morrowind when it came out, its like 15yo now, its so dated. No matter what you think it is objectivly the best rpg, story and world of the 3 later game.

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>>323859021
>Expired memes

Just passing through.
Oblivion is shit and was the biggest disappointment of my life as a gamer.

>>323858808

Perhaps so, but it is was less casualized than skyrim.

>>323859093
>The later tes games you were a compitent warrior at the start
AKA you actually had to think about combat.
Instead of just mindlessly spamming clicks.
Do you know what you're posting?
Deadly Premonition has a great story too but that doesn't save its shit qualities.

Skyrim with Requiem > others

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>>323855856
Oblivion:
> Well-oiled machine with obtrusive tertiary options removed for ease of play
>Enough care put into story to make sense
>care put into detailed world design to give it a good sense of exploration
>over all a classic game

Morrowind
>The function of this machine has long seen repair. Sand and ash mingle with the blackened cogs, oil scarcely seen anywhere near the lumbering automaton. You press a button, randomly, and with some luck, a light flashes...though you aren't sure what it means.
>Hours later, after wrangling the mechanical beast, you find yourself a pilot of a creature borne of mud and risen from blood. Your hands grasp the controls and your eyes are dry behind the goggles. Your focus is a killing stare and your hands begin to ache.
>Days have passed since you crawled off the ship like a mewling khajiit begging for scraps from the local market. Your skin has become like cracked mud as you soak in the ash of Red Mountain, your ears perked to the magicka of the world. Just south, you pick up the faintest hum of wind chimes of the Wise Woman's hut; It reminds you of the clash of steel. You pick up your spear and raise your head to Magnus
>This is where it ends. Your broken body leans against a rock damp in your blood, as the sounds of Dreugh chitter out of sight. Your hands fumble with the ink-pen and you feel the grip of death begin to write for you. As you roll your head in pain, you notice an off-black shape on the shore of the cavern lake. Your Satchel! Your saving grace in this hellish dive; you reach with all your strength to grasp it, your muscles splitting as you lift yourself further into the dark. The sound of water rushing causes you no heed, you grab the bag just in time to feel the dreugh claws stab into your back and drag you into the abyss
>Outside, your Guar shifts uneasily in it's rope, hopeing it's master will come and feed it soon

Oblivion has to be the most blatant example of how /v/'s age demographic has changed, it's so easy to spot the people who grew up with Oblivion as their first childhood RPG.

>>323858213
>Combat is just spamming clicks until you make a hit
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
You don't spam clicks because you need to keep your stamina up to actually make hits.
No wonder children hate Morrowind so much, the combat is too deep for them

>>323859178
it was though. the casualization gap between morrowind and oblivion is significantly larger than the one between oblivion and skyrim. skyrim's just a more polished version of oblivion without any of the terrible design flaws that ruined oblivion.

>morrowind
>great, original atmosphere
>great factions and dialogue
>top tier community
>many good quests
>no hand holding
>excellent role playing

>oblivion
>best quests
>two top tier factions, though most are only decent
>several innovations, even if they were shitty
>decent loot
>still presented a challenge in the beginning if you didn't play on babby mode
>interesting settings and conceits, like the vampire coffins under the earl of imbel's house, the whodunnit quest, etc
>unfortunately simplified gear, fewer factions, easier levelling system
>decent atmosphere and a decent city as well as several decent villages

skyrim
>shitty atmosphere, obviously chose that bland shit out of pure laziness
>capital city is like 10 people counting guards
>shit villages
>no good quest, every quest feels like a sereis of cliches to no purpose beside giving you an excuse to stand in place and swing your club at the same guy in the same dungeon
>loot is generic in the literal sense of the word
>NPCs are somehow even more dead than in oblivion
>factions are absolute garbage, you're immediately god after five minutes
>main questline is a direct to tv movie, the ending "battle" is a five on five skirmish
>I yiel-YOU DARE COME BACK HERE
>reddit tier community

Morrowind=Oblivion>Skyrim

>>323855856
Spot on friend

Daggerfall is the only ES game I had fun with.

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>>323859125
>implying memes have expiration date

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Oblivion is generic fantasy for casuals and Morrowind is only praised for 2deep4u story, daggerfall is much better and has the best roleplaying in the whole series.
>best dialogue system
>timed quests
>can use a huge berserk sword and a tower shield at the same time
>over 750.000 NPCs

Now if it wasn't procedurally generated and had tons of bugs it would have been perfect.

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>>323859392

Jesus dude that was beautiful

>>323859542
Yeah bruh, for great justice.

>>323859586
What game? They totally ripped of Skyrim iron helmet. No shame.

>>323859213
Morrowind was the game that bridged a table top rpg system to what we have not woth real time combat like witcher and tes. So when you click its rolling the dice, deciding depending on your skill, the enemies skill and your weapon and its condition will hit or fail, technically a parry from the enemy without animations. With skyrim for instance the only strength an enemy has is how ward they hit you, how much they can take and their animations...its rudimentary

>>323859392
Fucking garbage can

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My times with modded Oblivion were the fucking greatest. Gotta do that again some time.

>>323859494
>Oblivion
>The game world levels up faster than you so the easiest way to play is to just never level up
Stupidest shit I've ever seen in a video game.
Makes it an instant 3/10.

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>>323859417
This guy gets it.

what's with Oblivion Fags being so butthurt? Literally only your questlines are the only thing worth mentioning, everything else Skyrim does better.

>>323859424
/Thread

>>323859875
Not really

>>323859740

Exactly, Morrowind is a classic RPG with dice roll combat.

>>323859424
I really don't have to think about Morrowind combat.
You go up to them, and sure you vary between power attacks and shit, but you still just have no connection to the combat.
I actually feel involved in Oblivion though.

Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion
At least Skyrim did casualisation well; Oblivion was an absolute mess

>>323859875
>everything else Skyrim does better.
kek
oblivion is shit, but don't try to shill for skyrim

It's the "Black Sheep" of the TES series for a lot of reasons.

1) All elder scrolls games have faults, but Oblivion's were the largest and most disruptive. The horrid, godawful level scaling has no other analog in terms of shittiness. Also, with the potato faces and hideous lighting and bloom it manages to be even uglier than Morrowind.

2) It's uninspired. It's one of the least interesting RPG worlds I've seen. And in TES games, the world is the most important part.

3) It's the worst of both worlds. By this, I mean that if someone wants a hardcore RPG experience then they are going to play Morrowind full stop. And if someone wants an action RPG experience then they are going to play Skyrim full stop. It's too casual to compete with Morrowind and it's too clunky and miserable to compete with Skyrim.


I still enjoyed it. I have a soft spot for Oblivion. But in terms of gameplay, critical faults, and world building, it's definitely the weakest of the three games by a considerable margin.

That being said, it had some quality questing. The Dark Brotherhood in particular was very engaging and there's a lot of smaller side quests that were great too. It's just that those quests are all packaged in such an ugly, broken, not fun game.

Modded Oblivion > Modded Morrowind > Modded Skyrim

>>323860246
This.
Vanilla Oblivion is about on par with Skyrim for me, both are 7/10s. Oblivion's mods are serious gamechangers though, unlike Skyrim/Morrowind mods, they pretty much fix everything wrong with the game.

>>323860206
>Also, with the potato faces and hideous lighting and bloom it manages to be even uglier than Morrowind.
I'll check you off for "newfag trying to fit in."

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>>323859875
I unironically like Oblivion's combat better. Skyrim is just pointlessly slow and clunky.

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>>323859213
Player position, fatigue level, the length of time one holds down a click for and avoiding damage all come into play during Morrowind combat. It isn't a satisfying combat system but saying it's mindlessly spamming clicks is utterly ridiculous. It requires more thought than Oblivion and Skyrim.

>>323855856
I trusted V and got morrowind
I was wrong in doing so

>>323860206
>it's definitely the weakest of the three games
Lol, no it isn't.
It's worse than Morrowind, but how can anyone say it's worse than Skyrim? Skyrim is awful
>The Dark Brotherhood in particular was very engaging
That questline alone is worth more than Skyrim

>>323860413
Well all I can say is that Morrowind's combat is so bad that it makes me put down the game every time.
You disagree but we can't reach agreement so oh well.

>>323860405
How can you be this deluded? The game world looked alright but the models and lightning were subpar at best.

>>323856096

T H I S

>>323860206
I think I agree with everything you said anon, I also have some fond times on oblivion, I played it on 360, ill definitely play it again on pc one day heavily modded though

>>323855856
I love Morrowind but I am a lore fag

I also love Oblivion but for different reasons

>Oblivion
>Spend all your money to buy top of the line elven armour
>Step out side of city
>3 bandits in glass armour rape you
I'm pretty sure Bethesda was drunk when they made this game

>>323860504

>I am too stupid to build a working class with good skill combinations

After you level a bit, morrowind becomes too easy.

>>323860745

Mods my good man, MODS. Everyone fucking knows that bethesda games are mod mandatory

>>323860504
Its because its old anon, and you are probably young, never played Morrowind and mostikely never heard of tes until skyrim. Even if you played Morrowind on xbox you would have appreciated it.

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>>323860525
Playing Oblivion right now.
Looks good to me.
How can you POSSIBLY

POSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIBLY

Claim that fucking Morrowind looks better
you're just trying to fit in

>>323860947
The over world looked better, but the world was not better, Morrowind world is masive and diverse, best of the 3

>>323860947
I'm not the first anon you quoted, I don't claim it looks better than morrowind. It just always looked pretty bad.

>>323856569
No, Skyrim was better than Oblivion.

Fuck, Arena was better than Oblivion.

>>323860947
>Claim that fucking Morrowind looks better
It's the skyrim defense squad
>hehehe V was kind of bad but oblivion was worse, been playing since skyrim III btw

>>323860947
Not him but looking at that picture all I can think is "slightly better textures with cartoonish art style that kills all aesthetics"

>>323860947
The style in oblivion is horrendous. It looks like uninspired trash #1034.

>>323859858
What are some must have oblivion mods?

>>323859859
>>The game world levels up faster than you so the easiest way to play is to just never level up
Does it? I thought to problem was the fact that the scaling led to bandits wearing high level armor and weapons.
Either way, nobody has any incentive to play the game without leveling up, because that's boring.

>>323860504
The combat may not be satisfying but it's your stupidity and inability to create a functional class and use your brain to properly manage the aforementioned aspects of combat during fights that makes it so unbearable for you.

Oblivion has one or two good quests and an excellent expansion pack.

Morrowind is the far superior game.

>>323861476

Tesnexus, your friend for modding.

>>323861476
level scaling and combat mods are the most essential by far

>>323860924
I started with Oblivion, not Skyrim.

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>Not liking both

>>323861582
Not really

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guys what should I do?

>>323855856
you faggots just don't like video games. i played morrowind before oblivion was even released and loved it. then oblivion came out and it was awesome. then skyrim blew my mind. all 3 are great fucking games

>>323861832

Tell him that there is a conspiracy, take all the gold you can from him, but before the final part, place a good weapon in his chest. He will then take that weapon and go on a rampage.

>>323860947
Morrowind is more visually appealing not because it has better textures, lighting effects, animations or character models. It's because the game has far more interesting art direction, architecture, wildlife and armour/weapon/enemy design.

Someone post the oblivion mod essentials list

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>>323861476
OOO to fix level scaling
Oblivion XP or Always +5 Attributes for less grindy leveling
Deadly Reflex because nothing is more fun than bandit bloodbaths
Some of the quest mods are pretty cool (where were these for Skyrim?)

>>323861848

I agree, I liked all three of them.

>>323862070
>X was knocked unconscious.
>X was knocked unconscious.
>X was knocked unconscious.
>X was knocked unconscious.
really fun in this game

>>323862243

Doesnt matter if he can kill them, its still fun to watch him go crazy

>>323855856
Oblivion is just too plain to have an opinion to.
I mean, other than that it's boring as hell.

>>323855856
>click one button to see EVERYTHING relevant at once in a single screen
>clunky menu
Eat a dick

>>323862832
how the fuck is that not clunky and disorganized

>>323863013
Yeah it's better to have 500 fucking submenus for everything with useless 3D models taking up half the screen at once

>>323858192
Age of PC gaming was actually from late 90's to mid 00's if you paid any attention to whatever was released.
But of course you didn't, because you didn't bother doing your research, nor did you play video games back then.

>>323855856

Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game because Morrowind is the ONLY Elder Scrolls game that doesn't have scaling enemies and loot.

>>323863013
The fuck are you even smoking? Not only can you see every fucking thing you would ever need to see with the click of a button, you can even customize the whole damn thing to have each section be as big or small as you want it, as well as the position of the menus. That's like the very image of efficiency.

>>323863492

This was one thing that i really enjoyed. Entering a shrine or cavern not knowing what lies inside. In oblivion or skyrim you could guess what was inside by your level. No scaling enemies made some places really dangerous and not to be entered with low level, so you had to prepare for it.

>>323855856
Out of all the features you could have brought up, the one specific thing you actually mention is the menus? The one thing that almost everyone can agree Oblivion did worse in every way? The very first thing that was ever overhauled with mods, literally within days of the game's release?

Fuck, even Todd Howard admitted to using UI mods for Oblivion.

Still both great games, but Morrowind's menus are a dream to use compared to those in the later TES games.

>>323861476
horsecock mod

>>323863632
Don't forget that you could pin any window to show during real-time gameplay, so you can track your stats or make a custom minimap of any size/position or check your spell cast chances at a glance. All without mods.

man i like all the three latest elder scrolls a lot for different reasons. skyrim has legendary immersion and a great modding scene, morrowind had great rpg elements and a super interesting world to explore, and oblivion strikes a sort of balance between the two for me. it's really comfy and i got a lot of fond memories of that game for it.

>>323860407
that's because the hitboxes aren't as bloated in oblivion, when you swing it won't hit everything on your screen like in skyrim

>Morrowind
>actual well thought out story, intricately crafted world and lore
>Oblivion
>Gigantic underground passage underneath a fucking prison, in which the entrance is inside a prison cell, they lead the Emperor through the prison cell containing a convicted prisoner. They let the prisoner follow them around.
That isn't even the most retarded part of Oblivion.

Really though, which is objectively better? I want to play the better one so I can tap into the wealth of hours of play that this series has to offer.

>>323856145
is this webm supposed to be all retarded or is my shit fucked up

>>323857234
>Oblivion level scaling is considered far too difficult and crazy on the contrary.
Oblivion's designed so that you can complete the game at level 1. The only reason it's easier at level 2 is because Daedric quests have level requirements, so it's easier to get an artifact from one of the level scaled quests specifically designed to never challenge you instead of from Umbra, the one enemy in the entire game that can actually kill you.

Oblivion's level scaling is only considered "difficult" and "crazy" in the sense that the less you play your class, the stronger you are. Use every skill you're bad at and win the game at level 1, or use skills you're good at and enjoy as enemy health pools rise without limit, turning the already boring combat into several minute long snooze fests.

All you have to do is not sleep and it's the easiest Elder Scrolls game by a mile. Fuck your "massive Daedric invasions" that consist of a couple Scamps.

>>323865390
Did you play the game?

>>323865602

Morrowind is easily the better game. It definitely has far more and varied content than Oblivion.

Honestly, Oblivion is not very good, I'd sooner play Skyrim over Oblivion.

>>323865390
Jesus Christ, anon you are so fucking stupid expecting any sort of realism in these games.

To everyone else, you can say Morrowind is a better game. Whatever, it's all subjective. But saying Oblivion is a BAD game? Get your head out of your ass.

>>323857705
>you cannot look me in the post number

fuckin lol

>>323866039
Should I go vanilla with just bug fixes?

The best Elder Scrolls is the first one you played.

>>323866119
>any sort of realism
no i just expect a game to not be completely and totally fucking retarded in it's first 10 seconds, unfortunately for oblivion, it got even more retarded every 10 seconds after that

>arguing over vanilla bethesda games
what is the point?

>>323866297
Could you tell me how?

Will there ever be a Bethesda game where the cities don't feel like tiny towns? Even the Imperial City, literally the heart of the Empire, houses like 50 people in game. I want a city that actually feels like a city, like Novigrad in TW3.

>>323866209

Just get MGSO, it's the easiest thing to do and keeps it almost vanilla.

>>323865390
>have a secret esacpe route for the emperor for this exact situation
>you're accidentally put in that cell because destiny
>they let you follow them because the emperor recognizes you from the visions he has because Septim shit
what's complicated about this

>>323858527
>skingrad
>not prime Cheydinhal

Haha, okay you fuckin nerd

>>323866671
Thanks I'm going to have my first Morrowind playthrough with that advice. Envy me maybe

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>>323858631
>patrician
>not daggerfall

>>323866510
>Even the Imperial City, literally the heart of the Empire, houses like 50 people in game.

There's actually around 300 NPCs in the Imperial City. Most of them have a place they go to sleep.

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>>323866039
>Honestly, Oblivion is not very good
don't listen to this queer, anon

>>323855856
I played Morrowind when I was younger, but it's really hard for me to enjoy it now. The combat is kinda retarded.

>>323858213
What about Might and Magic? My 2nd favorite game. My first is Oblivion...

>>323855856

Well I grew up with it and as a kid Morrowind was fucking amazing. The reason people don't like it now is because gaming is so much more streamlined now. Morrowind felt raw and chaotic, and the difficulty was bananas.

So what if it means nothing to you. Morrowind was and still is a great game. It just doesn't cater to what you want.

which means nothing

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>>323857886

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>gamer

>>323865390
In Oblivion the cell you are put into is never supposed to be used; its used exclusively as a escape route by the emperor. The fact that your character is put there is a mystery, its almost comparable to how in Skyrim your character is just 'found' on the roads before being captured.

>There are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who unironically believe that Skyrim was better than Oblivion
Absolutely disgusting.

Oblivion's and Skyrim's character models are all ugly as shit. Oblivion's potato faces, however, are actually memorable and endearing. Nostalgic, at this point, since it's been a decade.


But the real thing Oblivion has over Skyrim is the questlines. The most important thing in any WRPG is engaging questlines. Let's compare the Oblivion guilds with their equivalents in Skyrim.

>Fighters Guild
You come in, sign up, and get jobs like "defend the rats in my basement". Oreyn doesn't respect you at all until you've proven yourself, and only then does he let you solve the guild's problems.

>Companions
After clearing a grand total of one bandit cave or draugr dungeon, they let you into the Circle, sharing secrets with you that only "trusted members" are allowed to know.


>Mages Guild
You have to travel to every single Mages Guild hall in Cyrodiil and help them out before you can get into the Arcane University. This builds up the guild and the world around it, giving every single guildhall at least some purpose.

>The College of Winterhold
You take one class and cast literally two spells, and then you're the CHOSEN ONE.


>Oblivion Thieves Guild
You do quests to maintain the secrecy of the guild, steal items for clients, and then prepare for the ultimate heist; stealing an Elder Scroll (the only one in the game, unlike Skyrim which gives you three).

>Skyrim Thieves Guild
You steal one thing from a meadery, then you do about eighty draugr dungeons.


Of course, everyone's favourite Elder Scrolls game will always be the first one they played, so this doesn't really matter in the long run.

>>323868178
>nostalgic
Well I guess everything else you say is invalid now

>>323866209
A lot of new players like Morrowind Overhaul, which is very customizable and includes some bugfixes and a massive collection of graphical mods. Almost all of the vanilla content and features is untouched, so you're just getting the Morrowind experience but better-looking.

I personally prefer the look and feel of the vanilla game, so here's my recommendation for Morrowind mods for the best modern "vanilla" experience that doesn't change any of the original content or assets:

Morrowind Code Patch: www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/19510/
A ton of options to select which can fix bugs and tweak features to your liking. I recommend just sticking to the pure bugfixes.

Morrowind Graphics Extender XE: www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/41102/
Highly customizable tool which presents a lot of options that allow you to enhance the graphics without replacing any models or textures.

All of Bethesda's free DLC: http://www.elderscrolls.com/morrowind/expansions/
For no good reason, these are not automatically included in the Steam or GOG versions.

Delayed DB Attack V2: www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/14891/
Illy's Solsteim Rumour Fix: http://mw.modhistory.com/download-35-13960
These two mods make the expansions not shit up the game for new characters. With these, you can experience Vvardenfell as it was originally designed and the expansions will present themselves naturally when it actually makes sense instead of shoving themselves in your face as soon as you get out of character creation.

That's all that I consider essential. In almost all cases, somebody who doesn't have any nostalgia for the original game will find it much preferable to just get the overhaul, which provides a more modernized looking game and comes in an easy to use installer. Consider my recommendations only if you're like me and like to experience games as they were originally designed for your first playthrough.

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>>323857886

I like Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim

I am not ashamed.

>>323859392
Damnit anon now I want to play morrowind again

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>>323868178
God, Skyrim's Thieves Guild wasn't even a Thieves Guild. Fuck that game so much.

>>323859858

Nigga, there were only three 3 decent and compatible mods for that shitty game.

>>323868178
this was the thing i liked the most about oblivion and hated about skyrim. honestly, the companions questline is fucking ridiculous.

you didn't even mention the dark brotherhood questline which is marginally more interesting in oblivion.

the quest where you kill literally all your guild mates blew me away, i didn't see that shit coming at all. i will say killing the emperor in skyrim was pretty neat though despite how quickly you were able to do it.

>>323869016
I didn't mention the Dark Brotherhood because it's Skyrim's strongest faction. Aside from another "you're the chosen one" thing, I didn't have many problems with it.

all people saying "MUH SKYRIM IS AWFUR" have 100+ hours in the game, calling it.

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>>323868857
fuk u

Aside from the big ones everyone uses, there are tons a little ones that make the experience ever so slightly better. That shit adds up.

>>323860947

even supermario 64 had better graphics than oblivion tbqh familia

>>323862134

Is England canon in the Skyrim universe?

I love oblivion threads because you can easily spot the people who were 14 when it came out and who get all nostlogic about it. Espeically when using an argument like "comfyness", which is literally a non-argument thats completely subjective. Here are some facts about oblivion:

>the quests are good
>leveling system is absolute trash
>best TES soundtrack
>everything in the game is generic and boring as fuck
>it has aged terribly and its ugly af
>main quest is bad
>oblivion gates suck dick
>shivering isles are amazing
>the game literally started the cancer known as small-content DLC
>there is nothing comfy about awful animations
>without mods and shivering isles its a bad game

>>323869940
>without mods it's a bad game
I'll take any TES game for $200 alex

>>323868772
>"we're not the dark brotherhood so don't kill anyone!"
>go to bee island
>kill the guards
>kill the elf guy for the key
>thieves guild doesn't care

>>323869940
the shivering isles did surpass my expectations in a lot of ways. you explore a daedric realm, defeat its ruler and then become the ruler yourself. it was definitely the best part of oblivion, hands down.

>>323868178
Bethesda just writes dogshit quests lately. You have two prime examples in Skyrim and Fallout 4. This writing is just objectively bad.

>>323855856
At this point Morrowfags have sperged to the point where a majority are newfags using it as a means to fit in. It is now a meme game.

>>323855856
Oblivion is literally the worst game in the series
/thread

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People who like ANY Elder Scrolls game
>casuals
>people who hate RPGs
>dudebros
>nostalgiafags unable to acknowledge every single TES game is fucking garbage and yes, that includes Morrowind

People who play Nehrim and are waiting for Enderal:
>mature, well-adjusted person who knows that no amount of mods can fix a TES game except if the mod replaces everything, from the story to the setting to the gameplay

https://youtu.be/cQog9lkyH8k

Guess what tes 6 is gonna be, its gonna be some fucking generic forest area (probably high rock), its gonna have shit quests and its gonna be the same shit again. The same boring shit.

>>323870107

Yeah that was really shitty, i expected it had to be done by sneaking and not killing anyone, so i tried and tried to sneak it trough then later realized it doesnt matter if you kill someone.


Also, atleast in oblivion thieves guild you have to steal stuff.

>>323870753
Hey, I'm doing the translation for this game from English to [REDACTED]

>>323870753

Hah! I remember when they announced that they will try to make Nehrim, never thought that they would succeed

>>323870753

Did they ever manage to make Nehrim in english voices?

>>323871413
I'm not sure but given that Enderal will have full german and english voice acting I guess so.

>>323857764
fuck bugs, fuck escherian dungeons, fuck precursor to radiant quests fuck you daggerfall for being precursor of things to come.

>>323870753
Nehrim was better than all TES games combined and Enderal will be one of the greatest RPGs of this decade that nobody will play.

>>323871495

Well, atleast now i have another game to wait for.

>>323871613

I will try Nehrim, i just have to get used to german language.

>>323857406
>you are now Sheogorath - the Hero of Kvatch
Who still needs to give an offering to yourself to start a quest you get from you.

>>323871683
The german voice acting is top notch so I hope they find some good actors for the english version too.

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I just started Morrowind a couple of weeks ago. My only problem so far has been the thief guild. They let me in, no questions asked and why does it feel like a chore?

On another note
>mfw my first dwemer ruin

>>323872359

I wish you great adventures, stranger. Read books, discover places and enjoy.

Post your build?

>>323871865
That shit was tight as fuck.
>Become the Madgod
>Offer yourself some yarn
>Haskill comments on it

There's a dozen different dialogue lines for the intro of that one quest depending on where you are in SI.
And most people won't hear any of them because why would you do the expansion before the main game quests?

>>323871613
>Wanting to spend that much time in a fucking mine underground

haha, yeah, right anon...

>>323872505
Thanks, anon.
My build is basically smooth talker dick ass imperial thief with a bit of illusion and alchemy.

Are the other factions like the thief guild?

>>323872759
>smooth talker dick ass thief

>>323872851
D-did I fuck up?

>>323872670
What mine? The starting one? That's like 1% of the game.

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>>323872759
The Great House Hlaalu is right up your alley. The Morag Tong is an assassin's guild that is also suited to your skills, even if it's a big thematic departure from the Thieves Guild.

is not being able to wear boots or full helmets that big of a deal in morrowind?

>>323873316
I mean I kinda feel bummed that they just let me in and have me doing menial jobs.

>>323874078

Well if some randon guy walked in to my organization i wouldnt trust him with important shit before he can prove to do easy shit

>>323874314
I was expecting an initiation or something. Does it get better?

>>323874078
In that case you may be disappointed by the lack of secrecy in the Morag Tong, though in their case it makes a lot more sense than the Thieves Guild, which I agree is out of place in Morrowind.

Most other factions make sense for their place in the world, but almost all of them start you off with busy work until you get higher in the guild.

>>323873796
>you can never wear boots of blinding speed/mask of clavicus vile/ect

you can do without boots and full helms i guess, though it's no fun not being able to use some artifacts after you find them.

Khajiit monk/thief with unarmed and unarmored is by far one of the easiest playthroughs. it falls off until you pick up light armor, magic, and real weapons though you're pretty much invincible early on.

>>323874727
I've been running an argonian that jumps around with a spear. I was going to reset anyways because I fucked up some skills. It's a bummer that the beast races don't get some sets of their own.

>>323875147
I recommend getting a mod that adds boots for beast races

>>323859392
Beautiful.

>>323875227
anything in specific, or just whatever is on nexus?

>>323877318
http://adul.net/?p=dl_mwmods_aduls_leggings

I recommend this

>>323856569
I disagree entirely. If you didn't have fun playing Skyrim you need to wrap your lips around some cold blue steel and put a bullet through your head because you're a brain dead idiot.

>>323877536
Cool, thanks a bunch dude

>>323877679

sure, i had tons of fun playing skyrim, but still some parts of it were terribly done.

>>323868574

I'm going to go ahead and say this list a fucking excellent list. I was halfway through typing out the exact same post with much shittier formatting. The only thing I'd add is the Morrowind Patch Project--its purpose is similar to the Morrowind Code Patch, but it's a plugin instead of an .exe. It does stuff like fixing buggy quests and dialogue, whereas the Code Patch fixes stuff you can't do in a plugin--changing keybindings, fiddling with rules for skills and so-on.

Those are the only ones I'd never play the game without. As a rule, I think it's a good idea to play it, and just google a mod for something if you don't like it. There'll definitely be one. But fiddling around under the hood too much before you've taken it for a test drive is a bad idea.

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>>323855856
>m-morrowind is so good
pic related
>w-well you c-c-can just m-mod it.
A game is shit if you have to fix it with mods. You can quite literally fix or make any game ANY way you want with mods. Morrowshit is shit.

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>>323879519

Morrowind's RNG combat system was total garbage. That kind of system shouldn't be used for logically contact-making sword fighting.

That said its lore and storyline, as well as the sheer amount of world that existed around you, was superior in effort and presentation than any new elder scrolls or fallout games. Bethesda puts the majority of their work into the gameplay which is hilarious since their engines are buggy pieces of shit, and routinely let no-name writers completely ignore and/or abridge what was once good lore for the sake of easy story telling.

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> you now belong to the ascended god race that thoroughly enjoyed the amazing wolrd of TES III
> newfags can't comprehend

>Oblivion is now good, despite the fact that most /v/ posters shat on it for years, before Skyrim's release
Ok

>>323855856
Nope morrowind had more of a living breathing world

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Time to replay Morrowind

>>323879921

Garbage is pretty strong. It was a failed experiment, and its failure was that it was unintuitive. The combat makes sense and works fine. It works exactly the same as any other RPG's combat in games at the time (and in tabletop RPGs, which Morrowind was heavily influenced by). You make your attack, the game does some RNG chicanery, takes your stats into account, and tells you what happened.

The problem is that in a game like Final Fantasy, you make your attack by clicking a button. You expect the game to tell you what happened. In Morrowind, you make your attack by passing your sword through a bad guy. Then you get that double-take "whaaaat? I fucking stabbed him!" moment when the game calls it a miss.

The system isn't broke. It's unintuitive, and I think that's an important distinction to make.

>>323855856
yes.

>>323862130
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=403031195

>>323881297
I don't know if I'd call it an experiment. Battlespire, Daggerfall, and Arena had the same basic concept (real time action combat with dice rolls) and they were all inspired by Ultima Underworld which pioneered that system.

Elder Scrolls just stuck with the system longer than most other real time RPGs.

>>323855856
Now this is bait.

>>323855856
I played Morrowind back when it was released and loved it. I played Oblivion back when it was released and thought it was ok but not as good.

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>>323855856

People who like Morrowind arent elder scrolls fans, they're morrowind fans. They hate every other game in the series, and complain whenever any piece of lore is retconned from morrowind, but never 1 2 or 4.

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>>323883649
>They hate every other game in the series

You'll probably find most of them like the games prior to Morrowind too. Daggerfall, Arena, Redguard, and Battlespire....unless you're some kind of colossal spastic and think the series began with Morrowind.

>>323855856
Despite loving Oblivion, and hearing how much better Morrowind was, I never played it. Seeing some game footage and the hearing the constant praise was enough to turn me off.

>>323883825
>unless you're some kind of colossal spastic and think the series began with Morrowind.
so a good 99% of the morrowind fanbase?

What if i liked both? Does this mean I have hyper autism

>>323855856
>People who like Morrowind:
people who can read

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i played and Beat Morrowind in 2003

> it real felt like i was on an epic journey
>2003 was along time ago now

>>323883983
To many Morrowind was babby's first Elder Scrolls, but that doesn't mean they're stupid enough not to notice the "Elder Scrolls III" part of the game's name.

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has this been posted yet cause it needs to be

>>323885159

i lawled

0.5/10 OP not even gonna quote your inbred pigfucking arab ass.

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>>323855856
So in other words you never play either Morrowind or Oblivion, don't know anyone that has and you are most likely underage?
>>323856096
Going full retard the post
>>323883649
That is not true fag lord.

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>>323885925
>you will never use portals to fuck yourself in the ass

>ctrl f trainwiz
>no results
/v/ is dead

>>323879519
>doesn't know how to level blade skills
Stay pleb.

Is there no mod remedy to having to read this much shit in morrowind? It's fatiguing.

>>323888613

I hear Adderall works wonders.

>>323857778
In morrowind it looked exactly like it was described. Hunks of volcanic glass ripped out of the black volcanic rock and vanguely shaped into armour.

Oblivion glass looks like generic shit in comparison.

>>323868178
>Oblivion's potato faces, however, are actually memorable and endearing. Nostalgic, at this point, since it's been a decade.
Stopped reading there. Something being bad does not mean it gets good when it gets older. It gets worse. And those potato faces are so bad that they genuinely ruin the suspense of any dialogue in the game.
They are not only bad. They are game breaking.

>>323869940
Add good guilds. Otherwise spot on.

>>323870474
What's wrong with that if it means that new players get to experience Morrowind? I'd rather have them forcing themselves to like Morrowind that some fucking Souls game.

My only problems with Morrowind are
>your walking speed and speed in general is always too slow, makes it a bitch with fatigue
>persuasion is awful
>talking to people gets to be a chore because the things to talk about get very cluttered
>combat isn't as bad as people say but it could be much better
>spears are shit
>some armour looks like absolute trash (dreugh, trollbone)
>like all bethesda games, the models look like garbage
But thankfully these are minor things that can be fixed with mods

>>323861476
Obviously Unofficial Patches

I can't play Morrowind because the god awful sound effects

Is there any mods to fix it?

>>323891369
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/9967/?

>>323886304
I bet you could work out how if you were op.

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>>323869940
>it has aged terribly and its ugly af

Opinion discarded

>>323861530
their level was defined as multiple of player's level, for example easy opponenent's level was set to x0.75, normal x1, hard x1.5 etc.

While it still happens in Skyrim with some NPCs, majority of enemies have fixed level, and only get replaced by stronger "strain" after you level up.
For example wolf spawning in forest gets replaced by red wolf, vampiric wolf, bear, and finally cave bear, as you level up. It's the reason why on higher levels you were encountering nothing but bears.
It's same thing they did in Fallout 4, except while in Skyrim it only felt off, in Fallout 4 it seem outright retarded.

>>323861445
The thing is people who hates Oblivion looks are usually saying it looks like garbage because it's uninspired and looks like LOTR. But to me it looks good for what it is. Maybe not Morrowind tier, but it's good for what it is, but only if you into the generic fantasy style.

>>323862134
>OOO
No.

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>>323856692
mah nigga

>>323869940
Man, I don't care for Oblivion, but fuck what you said about comfyness. I understand why people would say that and respect it as an argument for the game.

>>323892552
"comfy" is just as legitimate as using "fun" as an argument

I respect that some people like some games because it's comfy but face it, it's not a strong argument

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>>323891773
seriously tho the over world can get kind of jarring when youre out in the open and can the rendering distance comes into play, around the imperial city for example, but when youre in a dark dungeon with nice textures and have a torch going it looks better than skyrim

>>323856692
oblivion</=morrowind>daggerfall>skyrim>arena

>>323855856
I could care less of what you think. Keep your toxic opinions to yourself, filth.

>>323885925
joonas

>>323892292
y tho