Vermintide

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Just finished my Hard mode banner last night, time to start working on Nightmare now that I finally got an exo weapon drop.

Friend bought it for me over the holidays and I really want to try it out, but the only groups of people that play are complete mouth breathing retards or people who will kick you instantly for not quite knowing what to do.

>>323821242
What's new? Haven't played since nov

>>323822520
You've got to play with at least one friend, or like you said, you're at the mercy of pugs.

If you're stuck playing alone, the only advice I can give is to play through on normal or hard till you know all the tome locations. Also, play empire soldier with 2h hammer or dwarf with x + shield, spamming pushes and charged attacks that have a knockback will make your team love you.

Taking little to no damage is the best way to measure skill in this game, as higher difficulty rats will kill you in 2-3 seconds from full HP if you don't CC them.

Brettonian knight when?

>hear good things about the game
>pick it up during sale
>it's not a L4D clone, it's just a straight up retexture of L4D - modern guns

I couldn't refund this hot garbage fast enough

>>323821242
>This is L4D done right.
So it's a game done right done right? I am confus

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Holy Sigmar, bless this ravaged body!

HOLY SHITMAN

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>There are people who willingly play as the Elf
I love crushing Skaven with hammers, so satisfying.

>>323821242
that game is basicly a simulator of Europe's immigration problems

Im really good at l4d but i need more practice with this game. I dont know the maps well enough yet and all my friends are poorfags with shit PCs

>>323822520
I'll play with you anon, got about 15 hours on the game over the last couple weeks with a group of friends but they're on a lot when I'm at work so I don't get to play much with them.

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Here's one of the first big things to be added in the free DLC update.

You can pray for a random weapon of a specific rarity and melee/ranged with the salvage materials from other weapons. Not so good for the low rarities, but as you reach endgame scrapping oranges to pray for reds will be your life.

IN A FUTURE UPDATE: They will add the ability to reroll your % proc chance on your traits, and the traits themselves separately. These two functions are the grey tabs in the screenshot.

>>323823272

Wait what. I thought they added this in like a month ago.

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>>323822178

>>323823162
I got triggered by her Gaelic voice. If anything, she'd be French/German.

>>323823272
Fuck it, actually, here are the patch notes.

http://updates.vermintide.com/release/sigmars-blessing/

>>323822995
Despite each character having different weapons, sure.

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>>323823162
Fuck you Beatrix.

>>323823338
The next DLC isn't out yet, should be out in the next week or two. It will be paid, but you don't need to have it. Only the host of the game needs to own the DLC.

what's gonna be in the next DLC?

>Been trying to get into this game
>Pyromancer is fun as fuck
>Life is depressing and dropped it because friend dropped it and pugs are torture sometime.

>>323821242
I've definitely had WAY more fun with this than L4D.

>>323822995
>Has blocking
>Rats are more intelligent, numerous, and varied that zombies
>More interesting maps
>Multiple weapons per class
>Weapons with traits
>Classes have different roles
>Challenge mode runs to improve loot at the end

L4D feels so empty after playing VT

>>323821242
What, something is coming out? I haven't heard shit about the game in ages. A shame too, its really good, but I think the devs need to try harder to get the word out.

>>323823671
This. I started on Nightmare and everybody quit playing. I had my first two oranges (thou one was a repeater and it was crap compared to rifle) and just stopped cause no point playing with PUGs.

>>323823063
This needs to be juxtapositioned with that image of a fat guy with a furry tail and a gunsword on a subway. You know the one.

I genuinely enjoy this game, but I only have time to play Killing Floor 2 right now. I hope there's still a playerbase when I get bored of KF2.

>>323823528
Lets not get carried away.

>>323821242
>in 2016 we'll be introducing new levels, enemies, game modes and much more. We hope you'll join us for the continued adventure in Ubersreik, and beyond.

>>323821242
>next dlc pack
>ZERO content otherwise

yeah great fucking game

>>323823882
Oh god, this too.
>Got nothing but greens forever
>Even on Hard
>We do our first Nightmare together
>I get my first Blue and it's a staff, woo.
>He gets his first Exotic after getting a pile of blues over our runs cause he's a lucky fuck.
>He quits and I get really tired of getting ass blasted by RNG and being unable to get good RNG
>Look up grind guide
>It doesn't work anymore since they changed the collection rules
>College starts up
And now I just don't play cause it's too tiring facing an RNG wall that tall with so little time to devote.

>>323824196
>Zero content.
They've added more items and brand new mechanics since release, twat.

>general threads are dead for over a month
>still no sign of future dlc

i'm dying here, i want more content just to play it over that piece of shit kf2

>>323824103
Link pls

>>323824298
>No sign

Literally next week or two

>>323824304
http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=235540

http://updates.vermintide.com/release/schluesselschloss/

Most likely a holdout/last stand/survival mode coming out next.

>>323824298
>fatshark game
>better than anything
good joke

>>323823528
>FFXIV doesn't have playable ratthings

COME THE FUCK ON SQUARE

>>323821242
The fuck is wrong with l4d now?

>>323824407
Thanks

>>323824298
>that piece of shit kf2
*tips fedora*, good goy keep following the /v/ hivemind

they can add 2 tera worth of content, it takes ages to find a single game, so it doesn't even matter

Waiting for new DLC

Was the altar finished? I played last time when it only had the first page where you could generate loot.

Also, shame that general died. It was a comfy place

>>323824562
Spotted the underaged retard that spent money on the crates.

>>323824756
Really? When me and a friend sets up a a game people join almost instantly.
I'm in europe so that might be the difference.

>>323824756
>find a single game
Press L for a server browser.

>>323824891
haven't played in ages
but every single time, we're 2 or 3
or the host would go afk or something

>>323824561
It's ok but this is better.
I never really understood the love for l4d to begin with.

>>323824512
L4D has been dead for like 6 years.
Vermintide is better than l4d ever was, and the good old Warhammer Fantasy is a great setting to which Vermintide and Total Warhammer will be the swan song to

>>323824805
>>323823272

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>>323824810
spotted the redditor who bought a l4d reskin

>>323824810
>underaged retard
You're trying too hard to fit in, reddit

>>323821242
This game is the leading example for the definition of FOTM. It didn't even last a month before the playerbase dropped this game like a hot potato.

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>>323824298
>general threads are dead

>tfw no more memes.

>>323823272
An important thing to note is that you can increase the drop chance of items for a specific character by wearing the respective trinket from the sigmars blessing patch.

>>323825242
>before the playerbase dropped this game like a hot potato.
They dropped it day 1 and 2 because they completely fucked up optimization. Came back when it was fixed. It's been pretty steady since they fixed it.

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>>323825370

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>>323825447

>>323825115
i dont give a shit about warhammer nigga

>>323825242
>Opening server browsing leads me to shit load of people playing, all 3-4 man on all kinds of difficulties.

Game mostly indented to be played with 3 bros anyway, so it doesnt matter to me.

>>323824480
Yeah, sounds like a horde mode. Wonder what the "every second counts" means? The longer you last, the better the rewards/more dice into the pool?

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>>323825574

>>323825161
>>323825184
Keep buying those crates, I'm sure they'll speed up development time so you'll only have to wait 3 months for an update instead of 4.

i REALLY REALLY want this game but 30 bucks (or 45 if you want that baller ass mage helmet made out of candles) is fucking expensive for a game like this, especially when none of your friends are willing to buy it as well.

Not even resellers have it for below 20 bucks., whatever, dragons dogma comes out in 2 days, i just need to wait until that and then I won't care about this so much anymore.

>>323822912
right after kreml guard

is it not possible to use your gun 90% of the time in this game? I watched total shitcunt's review video and it looked like you'd run out of ammo in about 15 seconds.

>>323825919
The Collector's Edition really isn't worth it unless you REALLY like the helmets. I'd say it's worth $20 if you like the L4D gameplay.

>>323826453
Depends on the gun and the map.

>>323826453

It's a melee-focused game, so you're mainly gonna be using your melee weapons instead of your ranged ones for the most part. There are exceptions of course, like the bright wizard.

Game needs more content, the only thing to do is loot grind.

Needs more maps and more types of enemies.

>>323826602
>Bright Wizard
Except of course, unless you are good at not getting hit and have the health to spare, venting heat so you can keep spamming is dangerous as hell.
I know you can reduce vent damage, but how far can you reduce it?

>>323824562
i own both and vermintide is miles better

>>323826528
well luckily the devs are a bunch of bros and made it so you can upgrade to the collectors edition for $15 whenever you want, so I'll judge it after I do finally get the game. Yeah I agree $20 is a good price, but unfortunately thats not the price now. All resellers (that I can see) have it for 25+ and I'm not budging above 20.

>>323825161
>he buys quake reskins or counter strike HD editions
loving every laugh

>>323826791

Well I typically don't vent when I'm past the "safe zone" unless the situation calls for it, like if an ogre pops up, or I really need my staff during a defense (especially during the last wave of wizard's tower, or well watch).

>>323827156

(also it helps to have a good regrowth roll on my beam staff, and a perfect bloodlust roll on my sword)

>>323821242
Might be one of my favorite games from last year. Had a lot of fun playing it on the pirate servers. Will probably purchase it when the DLC comes out. Some of the best elf gameplay I've ever experienced in all my gaming years.

>people hating any dwarf/soldier not using the musket
>use an orange grudgeraker as a dwarf because soldier always have a musket
>90% to pierce through rats
>50% faster reload (faster if you press R instead of waiting for auto reload)
>chance to heal myself
>dwarven boomstick of death

if only the third skill was something related to ammo i'd be in heaven, it cleans every hordes i fight before it reach me,
at some point i get the highest ranked kills reaching above 300 killed rats.

of course the only problem is that it's shit for killing specials at range so i just swap to musket if i don't trust the rest of the group

>>323827017
There was a deal on GMG, for like 17~ bucks, with sales +coupon shit going on, i missed as well, payed like 23 on steam sale.

I just bought the game and I'm confused. Is this it? Like 8 levels or so? I expected L4D style with 4+ campaigns with 3-5 levels each. Also every level is collect X or destroy pillar so Y will fall down. Ranged and melee feels too weak, I guess this is the point so as not to make the players too strong like in L4D when you can just stand against a wall and spray an entire horde. WIll we face orcs?

>>323823063
HOLY SHITMAN

>>323827617
yeah i saw that in my efforts to find a current sale

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>No versus where the "tank" would be a Chaos Champion

>>323827669
>WIll we face orcs?
they have mentioned other enemy races, i think theyll do the vampire counts and undead first though

>>323827846
>wanting versus

i can already smell the russian kids from here, i don't want rat players in my holy sigmar game.

>>323828121
>not wanting versus in an l4d clone
versus was the cream of the game for a long time before it was fully infested with dumb kids
so many hours perfecting our runs, dodging shit and working together to completely stump the enemy team

>>323827669
the issue with other races is that the power levels are odd for the gameplay. Like, the skaven are the perfect enemy for a horde game type like this because they are generally weaker than humans in the lore.

If orcs or whatever other race were to be added, them using the game's AI to spawn in droves and get slaughtered would be too weird. Or the flip side, it'd be like fighting stronger versions of the stormvermin and doesn't really suit the gametype. Only way to implement other races would be individual levels that consist of the puny minions, like grots or skinks.

>>323828548
goblins are weak. Some chaos demons are weak and prefer to swarm. Skellingtons are weak.

>>323828440
Versus was literally the worst thing about L4D games.
The population consisted of teenagers and Russians. The instant something went wrong for either team someone ragequit. The community there is the most cancerous filth I have ever seen in any vidya

So please fuck off with your garbage game-mode.

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RNG sure loves those flaming swords.

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>>323829559
>playing on easy

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>>323829386
Nope. From beta to sometime in early release versus was god tier and beat pretty much every other game in cooperative mode. Then of course it became more well known and cheaper and much like CS (which is also a great team game) the community and reputation took a hit. You're not likely to find a good game nowadays but that hardly invalidates the entire game mode.

>>323821242
>L4D done right
>No versus multiplayer

Just once I wish OP wasn't a faggot

>>323824292
That was Horse Armour tier DLC.
A few new garbage traits to make getting good weapons harder isn't fantastic, chum.

>>323826537
which class has the best gun?

>>323823529
What does the dlc have?

>>323829559
It's in normal comrade.

>>323830080

I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

>>323830218
Depends on what you like, personally Bright Wizard's staves are the best.
>unlimited ammo, rest of team gets more from ammo dumps when you find them since you take none
>Can be lobbed balls, power shots, or rapid-fire bolts
>Alt fire for a nice AoE explosion or really heavy hitting single-target
>Can sacrifice health for damage if you really need it that badly.

>>323823703
>Rats are more intelligent, numerous, and varied that zombies
>More interesting maps
lol.

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>tfw got exotic 2h sword, guns and rapier for witch hunter
And i still play this game

>>323830248
Looks like it will be a last stand/horde mode.

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>>323823272
>Sigmar's Blessing hits
>load up game with my friends
>for some reason I now have a purple dwarf helmet and a fancy hat for the knight
>they jelly as fuck of my longbeard face plate

>>323827469
Mostly because PUGs don't know how to melee storm vermin.
I take the handguns as a precaution.

>>323829980
>game doesn't include the mode that ruined L4D's franchise and community

pretty sure you're the fag bro

>>323830912

It'd sure be nice to spend tokens gambling for hats. Maybe trinkets, too. I got 1 roll short of an orange trinket 4-5 times and once for a hat, was frustrating as hell.

Thankfully cheat engine exists so I can alleviate the frustration of the RNG when it gets bad enough

so what this game neeeds to stand the test of time

versus
Where vermin can upgrade their gear
Random level design so every run is different
A item or class that can steal tomes from humans and the equivalent from vermin
Tome could be hidden under tombstones or on a rock that a person has to jump to get.
Pushable tombstones would be good for the tomes
destructiveness to houses and other things.
That would also be good for secret tome holding
Secret areas that show up once in a blue moon can only be entered from random level interaction by accident or maybe exploiting a mechanic.
There should be a forge mode where the opposite side creates where events are in a level and the guy chooses where to spawn enemies and how to set up a level.

Customization of your character
No one wants to look the same.

>>323830804
Do you have a link to it.

>>323831136
Devs are to lazy to add multiplayer
do not have the funds to
or they are a dev because the criticize the best feature of l4d

>>323831281
Oh yeah with a vermin ability it has the chance to stun or makes the AOE ability higher

This is a great idea.

>>323831281
>versus
Going to ignore that.
>Forge mode
>It's a 1v4 where the 1 has to balance a resource pool of minions to fight the humans
>Can set locational spawns and triggers for their different rats, not allowed to put more than 1 of any specific special too close together
>Events such as Stormvermin patrol and Brute have cooldowns at the beginning of the round and a notably long cooldown that MAY be over by the time the party is in the ending
>can watch from the 3rd person angle of any of the players

>>323831281
ooh
Sorry i forgot to add
Community tools so that people can make their own levels too.


>>323831664
good idea man.

>>323829386
>Versus was literally the worst thing about L4D games.
Maybe if you couldn't organize an inhouse of 8 players

>>323831834
>8 players
>YOU have to organize it
That requires being a socialite and balancing 8 PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES.

>>323831704
Versus is a great idea

It would be even more competitive if you made it all about hiding tomes and dice for the other side.
Whoever wins gets the dice.
You also have to multiplayer proof levels.
I mean how hard is it to manage making different weapons and stuff for vermin
If that is the problem you talk to the community

>>323831281
okay let's do this

versus
>no no and no. Look at what happened to L4D. Versus creates a festering community of bros and wanna-be MLG faggots that will bitch and cry about balance that ultimately splits the community and ruins the game
Where vermin can upgrade their gear
>I'm assuming this is for versus? No. And for normal mode, the enemy gear is fine
Random level design so every run is different
>this game wasn't designed for random level creation. And a common flaw of random generation is very bland level design. For this game, I'll take artfully crafted levels over bland scenery retextures any day.
A item or class that can steal tomes from humans and the equivalent from vermin
>for what purpose? This just seems like a tool for frustration. Tomes are already balanced by keeping you from carrying a heal around, now you want to rob people of the reward for their risk?
Tome could be hidden under tombstones or on a rock that a person has to jump to get.
>minor idea for a new level, okay...?
Pushable tombstones would be good for the tomes
>more ideas for new/changed levels. okay.
destructiveness to houses and other things.
>would be cool to add so buildings aren't the same campfests
That would also be good for secret tome holding
>more of the same
Secret areas that show up once in a blue moon can only be entered from random level interaction by accident or maybe exploiting a mechanic.
>that's really specific and would probably lead to complaints and frustration over your idea of cool little events
There should be a forge mode where the opposite side creates where events are in a level and the guy chooses where to spawn enemies and how to set up a level.
>you want a different game than this

Customization of your character
No one wants to look the same.
>it's called hats dude, already in the game

>>323832027
we used to balance 40 people's schedules, 8 is more than managable

>>323832121
Who are you quoting?

>>323832121
Do not worry about the mlg faggots say if you do not want to play the game then do not play it go to single player mode

You have the content tested with people and you get your dev team together to make the gameplay balanced and fun but you can also still both kill the other sides.

>>323832121
People get bored of the level design who already played l4d your going to have to make much more or it will dwindle down.

The tomes would be so cool to go on a journey to look for or if it was versus you take the vermin type of tome and they chase after you.
It creates a new dynamic THAT L4D DOES NOT HAVE.

Do not care about peoples frustration just give the side areas a little bit more of a reward like maybe a 4th tome or maybe a dice

No I want to change my looks on my face and hair and change how everyone looks.

Nasty surprise!

>>323830438
but a staff isn't a gun. do you see the problem here?

>>323832984
The Beam staff is a fucking shotgun with a laser railgun.

>>323832035
Mostly, I didn't want to mention it because it's a headache the rift it makes between people.
But if I must...
>retool all the levels to have proper hitboxes on all the roofs, walls, etc. you normally can't reach as humans
>Add in a Vermin-Side Campaign that is you defending against the humans
>Tome/Grim positioning and map side-areas are redone to allow for Tome/Grim hiding
>You only have 1 minute to get all the tomes/grims where you want them before the round starts
>you are locked into your Rat type, but get varied weaponry for minor *surprise* in the fights
>Stuff like gasbags get regular poison globes, poison mist that spreads behind them, or a crossbow that poisons those hit and in a VERY small area around them
>Hook rats get their hook, a weaker long-range whip, or bear traps they can leave behind for unsuspecting explorers
>Randomly chooses someone to be the Brute when it triggers
>If all killed, you get all Tomes and Grims
>You get more health for each Grim the party is carrying
>Finale increases your spawn cooldown, because balance
Etc.

How to git gud:

1. Pushing and blocking is a 360 sphere so you don't need to look at enemies to push or block them
2. Holding block while holding E to revive grants you 360 blocking as well the entire revive. As long as you have stamina you won't get interrupted, even when hit by storms. Allowing you to revive teammates in the middle of swarms without taking damage.
3. Pot share, grim health penalty decrease, hp share and duping items are the best trinkets.
4. Go for maximum CC weapons like 2h warhammer or tank with a shield
5. Best staffs for Bright Mage is Beam with a close 2nd Conflageration. They hit large groups in close quarters without dealing friendly damage even in nightmare and cata.
6. Don't stand near walls where rats are on the other side, they don't give a shit and hit you if they can. So can you though.
7. You can't stun or interrupt rats in middle of certain animations like when they are climbing. This means it's a poor choice to defend ledges if you get overwhelmed as they hit you between your combos. It's the same when dropping down from heights.
8. Running backwards from rats makes them do a running attack compared to you standing still, sidestepping or moving forward where they have to stop and start a swing, letting you CC them better.
9. To avoid damage from ogres, hold block when he gets close and back dodge as soon as he starts a hint of an animation. It should clear you from slam damage and only knock you back incase he uppercuts.

There is literally nothing wrong with L4D

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>>323823162
I hope you acquired cancer in burmecia, you cunt.

>>323824502
FUCKING WHEN

>>323831834
Meh, really all that meant was having a good time, drinking, hanging in skype or what not and no one actually playing the game right.
I used to play with my friends and my wife. She would take the game super serious while we wouldnt. I would sit behind her when she wasnt looking and just tell everyone what she was doing and pissed her off....

Ok, yeah you are right. That was the best part of the game and i could be behind doing that again.

>>323833150
that is a good start,

The new downward stab is really aggravating time to time.

>Rat chases ally
>Run after rat and attack before it turns towards you
>Changes aggro and hits you near instantly because he took 1 step up above your ground level

Also rats jumping inside walls and going into an unnatural roll when hitting the ground.

>>323833225
well a few things
No recoil
weapons do not hit right

Vermintide fixes no recoil
But sometimes weapons act just like left 4 dead and other times it feels compelling to hit things
It is kinda a weird 50/50 thing with this game.


And they refuse to add multiplayer which is l4ds best selling point.

>>323833397
And what else would you suggest then?
>Solo Stormvermin gets a pike, a sword, or a hatchet
>Gutter Runner gets a modifiable ghosting effect, either a "safety" teleport they have to trigger, higher speed plus invis when not mauling, or increased damage, all have the usual pounce to start mauling.
>Can also have a Brute modifier attached to a piece of their gear, so if they become Brute get the bonus
>Smaller but faster Brute, brute filled with toxic sludge, carrying an overloading Winds staff in its mouth, ready to explode when it bites, Brutemother that is generally weaker, but summons a considerably large number of basic rats when it hits half-health/dies.
>More levels
>vs. exclusive levels
>etc.

Love me some vermintide, no other game makes melee as satisfying for me. Hacking rats, smashing rats, blasting rats away with a shotgun.

Good game, decent to so-so player base.

>>323821242
is it ever gonna come out on PS4?

>Console players playing Cata

Even with 360 blocking and pushing it's way too much turning around and sniping blackrats to be even remotely fun.

>>323834321
Maybe a Vermin that can disguise itself as a player while other vermin take hostage of the other player.
A vermin that blows himself up as he is close to death causing a mass amount of damage.
Maybe a Vermin that is long range attack where instead of the gunner it has a pike or something to throw.
What about a Vermin that attacks with a pike and stabs a player and drags them away.
All vermin should have the ability to take humans away in some form.
Maybe a shapeshifting vermin that manifests as a item and shapeshifts and steal a human away.

I do not know I am not good with these kinds of ideas.

>>323834380
only ones who does it better is dark messiah and chivalry and that other project slasher game

Vermintide is really good.

>>323835124
>Gunner rat
I knew I forgot someone
>Has a minigun, a cannon, or a Bright Wizard staff and is subject to the same rules as the Bright Wizard character, keep casting and you explode, which is actually viable here since you'll respawn and you can do it next to some of the humans
Disguising seems kind of... tricky, but interesting.
All the rats shouldn't be able to steal humans, cause then
>4 rats each target a different human
>All get stolen simultaneously and can do nothing.
>stabs and drags them away
Pack master already does that, if Versus, could replace it with a long-ranged hook whip to be like the Smoker in L4D or bear traps for those who like exploring too much.

I am good with these kinds of ideas.

Is there a lot of character progresssionin in this game?

>>323835578
Yeah your right
Sorry bout that.
You gotta make it so the only way that you can kill off all the humans is if you maximize vermin attacks or time everything perfectly.

>>323824246
You can manage through nightmare with greens, at least if you're using VoIP

>>323836082
That's how it is now without versus. Proper assaulting and "good" timing is how the rats win. That wouldn't really change, since even Special rats still die in a few hits.

Catch them off guard, get some hits in, distract for the next about to come from the other side, die, and they strike for the Gunner about to set up and the Gasbag sneaking up.

>>323835876
a ton of new weapons to unlock and they feel different
Not like l4d where everything is unlocked for you
When you get an item you feel fulfilled for getting it.

I really regret buying this. Not because the game isn't good, but I really shouldn't have bought it to play solo. And even worse I somehow got in a few fun decent groups off the bat so I have 3-4 hours of playtime and can't refund now that every single group I come across has at least 1 retard that destroys it.

I've already uninstalled it.

I'm looking for a fun co op game to play with my friends. Is this tbe game I want?
Is there more to combat than left clicking? Is there any pvp?

>>323836347
Yeah the vermin are automated to try new things I believe in vermintide.
Where as being a human everyone is different so they might fuck up something or you might have a good human who can almost kill a human with 1 attack if their team is not looking for them.
You gotta think about every interaction a human would have in that world of vermin.
I think the vermins health needs to be buffed in a multiplayer setting and maybe their attacks toned down there is some things that need to change to make a viable vs game.

>>323836718
If you want fun co op and have the friends and funds for it, this is a great game, don't bother with the special edition unless you REALLY want it.
Combat is left click and right click, knowing when to bash, when to do what, etc.
Learning tome placement for better loot and all that.

No PVP though, sorry. It may be a future thing.

>>323821242
>DLC
dropped

>>323837007
>Will alternate free and paid DLC
>Paid DLC only needs to be owned by one player, three others can join without it and still play

>>323836718
>Is there more to combat than left clicking?
Yes and no. Yes you will left click a lot, that is your primary attack button for all but a few select Bright Wizard staffs. No you can't mindlessly spam left click to win if you hope to win anything above Normal, even weapons that have godlike light attacks that you can spam will still require you to put some thought to positioning an dodging if you don't want to get swarmed.

>>323837103
Why do you need to justify it? You just sound like a marketer by doing that.

>>323837225
Protip: up your bait game.
That said,
>he doesn't like free shit
>he doesn't like optional DLC he can actually play without having to buy it.
>potentially cuts their sales to 1/4 if groups of 4 only buy 1 copy for their host

>>323837362
>I don't agree with your opinion so it's bait
Fuck off. Paid DLC is never a good idea, specially in a game with such a low player count.

>>323833207
>To avoid damage from ogres, hold block when he gets close and back dodge as soon as he starts a hint of an animation. It should clear you from slam damage and only knock you back incase he uppercuts.

This is highly weapon dependent though.
My group's elf player bitched at us for taking damage against rat ogres to the point where we started testing it, and we noticed that some weapons (mostly 2H ones) have much slower movement speed when blocking, making the tactic much less viable.

>>323837529
And despite your dumbass whining, every game nowadays does it. It's a fact of life now.

>>323837529
>With such a low player count
>It's still not required to be bought
>You are locked out of 0 content by not buying it
I'm still not seeing the problem. The game has a pretty decent player count, games pop instantly most of the time.
>Paid DLC is never a good idea
If it's quality, it's always a good idea.

>>323837632
wew lad
No need to get so mad. You need to control your emotions better when you're shilling a game.

People don't like rats as enemies. They aren't satisfying as the sole enemy.

>>323837682
>If it's quality, it's always a good idea.
How much are you being payed? I need to know where I sign up to shill games on /v/.

>>323837731
So what you're saying is that you didn't play the game?
Cause it is exciting to lop a rat's head off with a greatsword.
Or incinerate a horde of vermin.
Or watch their corpses fly off the bridge because of a well-placed crossbow bolt.

>>323838010
People will look at screenshots/videos of the game and move on because all they see is rats.

If they played the game, that means they bought it and people aren't buying it.

>>323837943
I'm not being paid. I reserve final judgement of the DLC until it comes out, but as is, it looks exceptionally promising.
Also,
>He thinks extra content that is fairly priced for a game he likes is bad.
Irrelevant if you like the game or not, properly priced extra content is good for a game for the people who like and want to enjoy more of the game.
Plus,
>Also free updates, not exclusively gated-content, like say, Skyrim or Fallout 3/Vegas/4

>>323837731
well theyre not rats but skaven - how are you going to add new units to an established whfb race?

>>323838258
>not gated
>can only play if the host has it
Keep telling yourself that. Locking content like that is never good on a multiplayer game.

People bitching about enemy variety: There are more types of Skaven than zombies in L4D

>>323827469
Handgun is your personal retard defence.

You can generally have any build you want up to Nightmare, but it's generally safest to have a a handgun on standby for when some fucknugget inevitably shits the bed in some description.

>>323838417
You don't pick that setting the first place.

People only care about Warhammer 40k.

>>323838530
It's not really the variety so much, it's the fact that murdering rats is less satisfying than murdering humans generally.

>>323838672
that make it an entirely different though

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How do I play the elf-bitch well so I can stop other people from playing the elf-bitch badly?

I've got the Bright Witch down and the other three classes practically play themselves, but she seems to have the worst melee and ranged choices out of all of the classes.

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>>323838010
But I love ratties.

>>323838478
>You only have to buy it once
>You can join into games of randoms or know people without spending an extra cent
Sounds ungated to me.

Would you prefer
>Requires you to own the DLC to even play the content
?
Yaknow, like every other game out there?
Having host be the only one who needs it is equivalent to killing up to 3/4 of their sales since only 1/4 of the community "needs" it to play.

>>323838772
The character is bait for retards

>>323838763
Yes.

>>323830407
>red weapons with good skins and shitty stats
>backstabbery and co.
>no new levels classes or item types
Yeah, clearly it's me that lacks an understanding of what constitutes meaningful content. Fuck off, smartphone babby.

>>323838850
Somehow, I fucked up the wording of that first bit completely
>You don't have to buy it

>>323838850
>Sounds ungated to me.
If you own it.
Say what you want about Valve but it's one the one of the few companies that does DLC right on multiplayer games, free.

I beat the whole thing on normal and hard. Is there nothing to do except kill more shit on a harder difficulty? Its getting a little stale.

>>323835394
my nigga

>>323838772
Snipe everything and slice everything. Shits not hard. The highest scores I get are with elf and merc.

>>323838772
Gotta learn the dance of death.
Use double sword or sword+dagger for horde mowning, longbow for specials.
Unexpectedly the elf is more of a melee character than ranged.

>>323839204
Its not the game for you anon, and thats okay. For me and my steam friends we just love that grind to the top. Getting all the banners and the sickest loots and the hats, its my vidya gaem cocaine.

>>323838772
Assuming you're not on a difficulty where you can one shot everything. the two ways to play elf as a useful addition to the team are
For ranged, use the longbow and aim for chokepoints the wizard/Inquisitor can't hit. For fucks sake don't just target every random rat you see.
For Melee, hug a tank/CC character and cover them. Don't strike out on your own

>>323838672
Skaven are one of the coolest races in WHFB no doubt, and i don't think the setting is bad at all (though I prefer the 40k tabletop rules over the FB ones)

>>323839103
>that does DLC right on multiplayer games, free
So what you're saying is, you don't know what DLC is.
It stands for Downloadable Content, meaning it's extra content and if it was gutted from the main game or overpriced, it's notably bad.
Good DLC is when it is by a company who is willing to accept less profit in exchange for customer satisfaction.
Valve doesn't do DLC. They do expansions.
>TF2
They can afford it because crate and box fiesta
>CS:GO
Same thing
>DoTA2
Same thing
>Not Valve, but Path of Exile
They get a ton of money from their Support packs and MTX, so they can afford to pump out free content constantly.

Few one-and-done buy games can pull that off constantly or consistently.

Anyway, I'm going to go get dinner. Have a wonderful night, Anon.

>>323839420
I haven't gotten the really nice legendary type weapons yet but I feel like I'm doing the same shit every time. Also the special vermin seem to have the worst AI making it easy to kill them alone.

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>>323838776

>>323839008

>New tier of weapons. Mostly bad due to traits, but a few good ones exist
>New traits, 2/5 are at least decent
>Can now use tokens in place of items when fusing at the forge, eliminating the need to get 5 of an item type in order to get a guaranteed upgrade of it
>New ability to gamble for items using tokens from salvaged equipment, with the eventual ability to re-roll traits on weapons and the proc %'s on them
>Free

Whereas horse armor:

>Completely worthless and pointless addition (you can already get an immortal horse in-game!)
>Paid

Again I don't think you know what you'se talkin' about.

>>323838772
LUMBERFOOT
LUMBERFOOT
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Elf is probably the easiest to play, just know a little about positioning and don't get caught up pummeling a single rat.

>>323822520
>only groups of people that play are complete mouth breathing retards or people who will kick you instantly for not quite knowing what to do.

It's IS the new L4D!

>>323839648
>Valve doesn't do DLC. They do expansions.
DLC can be expansions, you don't seem very smart anon.
>they can afford it so it means it's a irrealist model
>Not Valve, but Path of Exile
>They get a ton of money from their Support packs and MTX, so they can afford to pump out free content constantly.
So a small company can thrive from it? You're just proving my point.

>>323839768
There's something really fucking sweet when you whip out your orange warhammer, the visual upgrades on the weapon tiers are really nice.

On higher difficulties you thank sigmar if the special rats do something wonky, because otherwise they're really nasty most of the time. Getting flanked by gatling gunners while pushed out of position by a globe rat, yikes.

>>323822520
just play the maps on easy to get a feel for the characters/weapon styles and learn tome/grim locations, play a bit of normal to get nice items you like, then jump into hard and above whenever you can.

Hard does have a degree of retards, but normal is the worst.

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>People on play Horn of Magnus for a chance to get some fucking retarded hats.

Sucks.

>>323840005
Reworking terrible underlying systems isn't content.
It is a completely pointless addition like horse armour. Tell me how has it improved or enriched the core gameplay at all?
Defending their post-release behaviour at all is just nuts.

>>323840463
>So a small company can thrive from it?
When your company manages to steal away a massive fanbase from pre-established games led by major developers, I.E., Blizzard's flop of D3 and a ton flocked to PoE, and they have MICROTRANSACTIONS and EXPENSIVE SUPPORT PACKS THAT ARE 100% OPTIONAL then yeah, it can work. I'm not proving your point. I'm proving a point that games can have free content post-release if they can sustain the company behind it through means other than game sales and gated content.
L4D2 dried up in updates exceptionally quickly, save the occasional system update across all Valve games and the Workshop.
Evolve died because it offered extra content as DLC and did a poor job on the game overall on top of that.
Vermintide does a great job at what it does, has no Microtransactions, has FREE updates, and simply asks for a select few people to also support them post-release with optional DLC.
Also,
>You don't seem very smart anon.
I'm happy you are being civil with your stabs at me.
Also,
>they can afford it so it means it's an irrealist model
When did I imply or say that?
If they can support themselves with stuff that isn't that extra content, then they can afford to make cheaper/free extra content.
I'm back from dinner.

>>323821242
The only thing that would get me to come back to this would be Versus mode. I'd even pay for it.

>>323840996
You "recruit" people by playing on HoM, then you move on to other maps with that group.

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>>323838772
>tfw elf players always alert patrols
>tfw elf players always seperate from the group
>tfw elf players get in front of the shield guy
>tfw elf players commit the most friendly fire
>tfw elf players worship rat cock beyond reason
>tfw elf players are always shit
Fuck elves

>>323841208
Point is, it's an inferior system. You're entlited to your own opinions.

>>323841509
fucking /vtg/ and their skaven dick obsession

>>323841223
Nobody wants to play that shit 20 millions times.

>>323832121
Are you Julius Caesar?

>>323842087
You play it once, to find people, then you play other maps.

>>323842310
That shit takes like 20 minutes to clear. That time adds up quick when you have to keep doing it over and over again.

>>323841080

>Reworking terrible underlying systems isn't content.

It's an improvement (or at least the first of several improvements) to a system people have had serious complaints about. I don't really care if you wanna consider that content or not.

>It is a completely pointless addition like horse armour. Tell me how has it improved or enriched the core gameplay at all?

Stop with the horse armor comparisons, you're just makin' yourself look silly. Stop bein' silly, anon. Also as stated earlier, it's an improvement to the loot/equipment system, which I'd say is one of the core aspects of the game.

>Defending their post-release behaviour at all is just nuts.

What are you even on about, anon. All I'm saying is that it's stupid to compare this to horse armor, which it is. Very stupid. If you were crying about them being slow as fucking molasses to do shit, I'd be right there with you 'cause holy piss they're bein' slow. Or if this were a 5$ DLC that was just some cosmetic character armor and/or hats, it'd be an appropriate comparison to horse armor.

But it's not, it was a free update mostly to the loot/equipment system, you really shouldn't compare that to an example of one of the worst paid DLCs in gaming history.

>>323823272

Stupid loot system killed the game for me, grinded the levels countless times just to get the drops for my class and now just patching the drop rate doesn't refresh the entertainment on their maps

>>323842232
yes

>>323842871
Then you add good players to friendlist or whatever.
Get flexible anon.

>>323843062
Then even though I guess you know it already, they're trying to have you killed. Don't go to the Senate on the ides of march. That is all. Xx

>>323843007
>>323843178
There just isn't enough content imo. I understand they are doing DLC later but it'll have to wait until we get more maps to play.

>>323843306
Oh okay, I thought you were talking about not being able to find players for other maps.

>>323841509
dam nigga, i got oranges with bow and dagger+dagger and never do any of those things.

>>323842937

I mean heck, the last update for the game back in December, all that happened in that update was changing a couple pre-existing (pretty sure pre-existing anyways) exotic/orange hats to purple and making them available to everyone in the steam group. That update would be a more apt comparison to horse armor, although I still wouldn't, 'cause as dumb as it was, it was still free, so whatever.

anyone can tell why the dwarf dual pistol-thingy is good?
i'm not really fan of the overheating system and every time i vent it above the limit it just hurts me.

>>323822178
>Hard mode banner

I can't get a lobby of non-retards for White Rat, fuck me

>try my first nightmare
>two level 100s
>easypeasy these guys will know whats up
>lose twice in a row, one complains about having to carry lowbies
>do most damage and kills, take next to least dmg

why do people who are so high and mighty fricking suck

>>323844128

It's good for picking off lone rats and stragglers, I guess. Shotgun attack has decent CC. If you got regrowth/bloodlust on them they can be a good way to get some health back. Might need targeteer for them to be good.

I do prefer taking the handgun though.

>>323844569
>statwhore
You probably suck.

>>323825616

But you're in the thread flapping your vagina aroaund.

>>323844215
Still haven't beaten white rat on normal because of retards. I'm gonna have to try some more so I can at least get ONE banner

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>>323845147
I'll help you anon!

>>323845147

Wait 'till you gotta beat it on Cataclysm! Oh boy!

>>323832121
Please learn how to green text, you are supposed to green text the person you are quoting

>>323845147
I ended up just doing that one with bots.
Once you get past the barrels it's a cakewalk

>>323844839
>Not being lowest damage taken
How's sucking ass?

>>323844128
I usually stick with Rorkaz unless I'm not running with someone I know is capable of picking off specials.

>L4D

is that what this game is? shit, and here i was interested too. fuck that shit. i wonder how long it will be until they introduce hats.

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>>323821242

>tfw this is probably the last warhammer fantasy videogame ever, and all future ones will be set in the sigmarine universe.

>>323848987
>L4D
>hats
Try harder next time.

>>323848987
Nice bait, here's your (You)

>>323850679
Total Warhammer.