>He beat Bloodborne >He still uses a shield in Dark Souls

Nuts to that, I preferred build in Souls was the glass cannon

>>323747160

Play bloodborne? Lolno.

Are there even any benefits to dual wielding in DS instead of having a bare left hand?

>implying dark souls movement is even remotely similar to bloodborne

while shields aren't a must in dark souls, they help plenty.

>>323747669
At least BB movement is closer to DS than DS2.

Sword and board is fun though, and there's no better game for it. (No, not even DD.)

>>323747160
use a 1h weapon and crossbow for poverty bloodborne

>>323747640
in DS2 there is.

i actually CANT use shields in souls anymore after playing bb, it feels too fuckin awkward.
>buy AotA for dark souls after beating bloodborne, figure better late than never
>everyone tells me how absurdly hard it is because of the superfast truck enemies that rape you with combos
>steamroll the dlc because it was basically bloodborne alpha, and playing bb prepared me for this shit

>beat Bloodborne
>can still go back to dark souls

Dashing ruined me.

>>323747160
using just shields is harder than rolling, rolling is ez pz

>Bloodborne

Shitty covenants.
Shitty PVP.
Less bosses.
30 or so weapons only.
Can't upgrade armor.
Less builds.
Casualized combat and healing.

>>323747160
Stopped using a shield half way through Dark Souls when I got the Darkwood Grain ring and realized fast dex builds were more fun.

>not using a shield like a boss-ass knight

what a baby-dick little faggot

>>323747640
only in pvp, and then just barely

I already platinumed Bloodborne, I don't have shit to prove so I'm just going to enjoy the atmosphere.

I stopped using shields long before I played Bloodborne.
Not that I could anyway because I didn't like investing in to vit and end. My stam would empty or and I'd take a hit anyway.

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>>323747459
>>323748584

Was Alfred killed or did he really kill himself?

>>323748584
STEAM VERSIOM WHEN????? (;_:)

But I have to use a shield because going back to clunky slow DS1 after bloodborne made me get awful at it now

>>323748584
>Fun PvP
>Implying I want the likes of covetous demon shoved in to my game
>He upgrades armor
>Implying BB wasn't the hardest game in the series

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shields were always for plebs

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>>323747160
>Being an unstopable object
>Not being an immovable force
I seriously hope you guys don't do this

>>323747640
Parrying dagger, I guess. It's much better to go 2-handed anyway.

>>323748584
Genuinely curious, why does leveling up armor matter to you?

I liked that BB let you change your armor at any point in the game.

>>323748584
>covenants
BB doesn't even have covenants. They're just runes that give bonuses and slightly affect PvP. Two of them don't even have any multiplayer function.
Dunno why people keep calling them covenants.

>>323749103
He gets hit too much.

>used to parry and naked run in DaS
>bloodborne is cakewalk with its dash spam and easy parry

Fuck those big bosses in chalice though.
They increased their size without polishing their hitbox.

>>323748584
IT'S NOT..

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>>323748584

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>>323747160
>Not posting the better version

>>323750602
The executioners are actually pretty scary-looking.

>>323750947
It is pretty scary, even moreso when you hear how much fucking joy what's-his-name gets when he bashes the vileblood queen into denture paste.

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>>323750947
The Executioners are pretty bro-tier.
Not like those filthy vilebloods literally getting cucked by their own queen by giving her other hunter's blood semen.

Confederates also welcome

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>Barely beat DaS1
>Stuck at Nashandra on DaS2
>Stuck at Shadows of Yharnam on BB
I'm pathetic and I can't play online.

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>>323751226
>Not like those filthy vilebloods literally getting cucked by their own queen by giving her other hunter's blood semen.

I never looked at it that way, holy shit

>>323751061
I was actually happy for Alfred when he made queen jam, his laugh made me proud for my deeds.

>>323747160
Using shield objectively makes the game harder than power stance ricard rapier and espada to 3 shot boss

>>323751652
Yeah, it was damn cool, but goddamnit put your dick away

>>323751524
>Beat bsb and darkbeast paarl
>Can't manage shadows of Yharnam

Really anon? You've proved you're better.

Also join confederates for a summon before yharnam in that area just before the boss with the one hollow

>>323747160
>Not using a shield
Now, you really are a casul. If you had any dignity you would understand the power of dual shielding

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>>323751524
>Stuck at Nashandra
How can you beat Throne Watcher/Defender and not Nashandra? Was she made harder in SOTFS?

>>323751717
Shit, it keeps happening!

>>323751226
>The Executioners are pretty bro-tier
If by bro you mean worst covenant in the game.

Literally a bunch of hypocritical madmen who only succeed at killing themselves.

>>323747160
>you're such a pleb for using a shield
>USE A GUN INSTEAD
BB faggots pls go, git gud elsewhere

>>323748891
Dark Souls 2 is the hardest game in the series

nigga how the fuck else am i gonna parry

>>323752323
>I've never played bloodborne

>>323752340
Even with it's shitboxes Dark Souls 2 is not that hard, Demon's is harder and even then it's not the hardest in the series.

>>323752340
DS 2 is pretty easy if you know what to do

>>323752323
Unless you make a BLT build, your gun is useless.

>>323752539
nice baited

Always been a 2h Greatsword kinda guy. Being able to read someone's movement and starting a slow as fuck swing into a perfect connect--there's no better feeling.

>>323752539
>parrying is useless

>>323747160
bloodborne is shit. and if you weren't just 2hing everying before bloodborne you're a fucking retard

>>323752340
>>323752489
>>323752535

My difficulty ranking

>BB > DS1 > DS2 > DeS

>>323752392
>what's this shield business? i have to be patient? fuck that let me shoot an insta staggering bullet, i want CUHRAAAZZZY pace
>i also hate having to carefully pick my weapons, good thing they all extend and do everything. who need variety?
its ok son, just admit it

>>323752658
>bloodborne is shit
Your opinion is shit

>>323748983
>>323747640

There was also something about a fraction of the damage reduction of a weapon being applied in case of misstimed parries (and also whenever you were to parry an arrow, throwing knive and such. But why would you try to parry them in the first place evades me)

So basically those hits that you not quite parry, still taking damage, but avoiding the recoil, would inflict you less damage or something of the sort. It's been a while so I don't quite remember how it went

>>323752675
>I want to hide behind a shield and turtle every enemy because I'm not good enough to go balls deep
>Having more combat options on the fly is a bad thing

neverever etc.

>>323752658
see>>323749970

Haven't played BB, but I just keep the Grass Crest Shield on my back like I assume everyone else does.

>>323752840
i think CoD is more your pace if thats what you like anon, enjoy! here's your reply friend. Enjoy copy pasted victorian buildings.

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>>323752671
Literally took me 8 months to fully complete DS2, where as Bloodborne was around three maybe four weeks tops.

Collecting all the spells were awful.

>>323752983
At least I can actually play both of them

>>323752675
You still dodged the fact that you -clearly- haven't played bloodborne.

Your bait is bad and of low quality. Step it up anon.

>>323752985
That's because there's a lot more you need to do for Dark Souls 2 trophies, not because it's harder.

Time consuming =/= Harder

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>Post yfw "tonight gehrman joins the hunt"

I only played through BB because of the memes and was not convinced. I still prefer the more slow, methodical playstyle of DS/DS2.

>>323753270
>implying im not idort master race
Played it, finished it quickly, regretted my purchase. Makes DaS2 look good in comparison. BB is to souls games what dragon age 2 was to its series. Its a streamlined version of dark souls to appease casuls that couldnt into patience and rational thinking. Only thing missing was press X to win.

What are some good greatswords/polearms for a two-handing build in Dark Souls 1?
I always went with fast weapons, so I'm curious about trying it out. How viable is it without heavy armor, little poise and no shields? Should I instead go for a tank build?

>>323752985
>Literally took me 8 months to fully complete DS2
I have a hard time believing you.
>Collecting all the spells were awful.
What? Getting the spells was easy as shit

>>323753453
You're trying too hard anon. Everyone and their mother knows bloodborne is objectively an excellent game. Sure you don't like it for whatever reason, doesn't make it bad.

>>323753453
Post your character or give me your psn and I'll look you up

>>323752671
>DS2 above DeS
Holy shit so much wrong

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>>323753391

>>323753607
DeS isn't difficult in the slightest. Are you retarded?

>>323747160
Bloodborne was easier except Ludwig and shields are cool. I'd rather be a manly badass knight than a fedora-wearing fairy faggot who prances around and dodges into attacks like it's fucking DaS2.

Although since DaS3 looks like we're goign to be manly badass fairy knights prancing around, I guess nobody agreed.

>>323753663
It's harder than DS2 you stupid fumblebutt

>>323753663
You're too used to shockwaves anon

>>323753529
Not when in order to get one of the miracles you must grind for 30 of an item with a 2% drop rate against an enemy that can throw one hit kill death balls at you.

>>323753474
Zweihander/Claymore are good with chaos/lightning
Greatsword/Demon's Great Machete is good with STR
Great Scythe is good with DEX. So is the Lifehunter scythe if you have good bleed resist.
Black Knight Halberd is also fun to use.

If you're planning on PvE heavy armor is fine. In PvP you should be able to fast roll, but still have some poise.

>>323753790
No it isn't moron. Go back and play the game before nostalgiajerking

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>>323753391

>>323753607
False King and False Idol were literally the only bosses I struggled with. As for areas I struggled with, just the bridge with the dragon.

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>>323753542
I cant remember it, h-eh. Ah fuck it, got me there son. Fishing's over i guess.

>>323753910
not him but des is easily harder

Nothing in das2 comes close to maneaters or flamelurker

>>323753790
I had the most trouble with DaS2 the first time.

Primarily due to unbelievably shitty RPG mechanics, but it was still the most difficult.

DeS was a cakewalk the first time because you have so much fucking health. It felt like the whole game was balanced around phantom mode, so Cling Ring was +50% and human form was +100%. Could tank everything, and you had functionally infinite healing items.

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>>323752340
Yeah, it's the only game I have not gone all the way through without using npc summons.

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>>323747160
Shields are pretty useful in some sections where there's archers and mages like Sen's fortress
Other than that, I never used shields in dark souls, since it was pointless in PvE from the start, and so many enemies just crushed you through shields

I'm playing a Geralt of Rivia build in Dark Souls, mainly relying on dex and pyromancy, and no shield combined with dual-handing swords is a hell of a change of pace. Blocking is worthless, can't parry, certain encounters are just fucked without a shield.

I don't doubt that it's possible, but it's tough as shit.

I didn't want to pay $400+ just to play Bloodborne, but I didn't use a shield when I played Dark Souls because I played Demon's Souls and only needed a shield in that game once (for flamefucker).

>>323747160
Shields have their uses, but generally in combat a roll will always be better.

>>323753879
What enemy? I don't remember doing that

>>323754112
I never use a shield when I play Dark Souls, I've played it like 20 times. I think the only time I did a shielld was when I did an Adol the Red run and then I only really used it for parrying (which you can do barehanded anyway)

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>>323754024
Your nostalgia is getting the better of you. DaS2 has much more bullshit bosses than those two (which btw are the only bosses that are even a decent challenge along with Allant)

>>323754164
Greatshield of Artorias being the exception to the rule if you can use it.

When I first played Dark Souls 2, I made a resolve of not using shields because they felt like a crutch in Dark Souls. I was too dependable on them. So I played Dark Souls 2, its DLCs and then SotFS, always without shield. I got used to not having a shield and when I went back to Dark Souls 1, I also beat it shieldless, although it felt way harder, specially Manus.

I never played BB, but must be fun.

>>323747160
>>323750602
shame that the artist made fucked up and put the executioners on the right side of the image. Should be on the left side, but simply flipping it doesn't work because it makes it look like everyone is left handed.

>>323747640
In DS2 you get completely new movesets. Some of them are freaking amazing, if a little more vulnerable.

>>323754112
Try the Foot Soldier run. Infantry armour, foot soldier sword.

No rolling, dodging or parrying. You're only skilled enough to block with your sword and swing it.

>>323754335
I don't remember a single difficult part of das2 and I played before they patched shit like the shrine of Amana mage tracking

>>323752340
Dark 2 is only harder because it controls like ass and their attitude to enemy design was "just stick 5 more in this room"
Hard =/= Good
Hard =/= Fun
Dark 2 is just poorly designed.

>>323747160
All i learned from Bloodborne is to increase poise with a lead elixir and then hammer on a boss till it dies

>>323754112
>can't parry
Geralt parries plenty, just switch to 1H when you're fishing for a parry. Hell, parrying with your fist is better than a shield

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>>323753391

>>323754112
If Lobos beat the game with a broken ladle, you can do anything.

>Bloodborne is hard!
>The DLC is even harder!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxrRAfcNfs

>>323754335
DS2 has shit hitboxes and tracking. the only bosses that really gave me trouble were Smelter Demon and Covetous demon, and for bullshit reasons.
DS2 bosses are hard because of terrible design

>>323754261
Any substantial tips besides the obligatory "git gud?" Not being able to parry makes knights in early game a real pain in the ass, not being able to block makes shit like Sif and the snakes in Sen's fortress frustrating as shit.

Currently I'm trying to beat Nito. It's actually the furthest I've ever gotten, ironically.

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>>323754173

>>323754758
>DS2 bosses are hard because of terrible design

I love this meme
Next you're gonna post webm of things that are already patched out.

I only use a shield when I do a knight build. It's just not fun to use a shield anymore, makes the games way too easy.

>>323753909
Aha, I see
There's quite a bunch of options, then. Good to know
How viable are the strong attacks in the Greatsword and the Demon's Great Machete? I heard DGM's is especially awful
Should I focus more on just landing normals vía countering or is it a good idea to play offensively and mixing up your attacks?

I suppose that having a decent ammount of poise is a must, given the starting and ending lags of the attacks

Thanks for the input

If a shield is on your back (holding a weapon 2handed), can you get backstabbed?

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>>323754569

I legit didn't know you could parry with your fist. Holy shit.

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>>323754465
>covetous demon gave you trouble

it's pinwheel level

More importantly, anon, i beat bloodborne with nothing but the kirkhammer in hammer mode.

I like to smashy smashy. And will continue to do such.

>>323747160
I never used a shield in any souls game
2h for life

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>>323747160

Why do BBfags think it is such a big deal to not use shields in a game?

Like holy shit, is BB the first action-heavy game you've played where you don't have shields (aside from two very shitty and situational ones)?

Have you not played any platformer ever or any character-action game ever where your character doesn't have any shields and has to rely on spacing and dodging to get by?

I fucking played through almost all the Mega Man games as a young child and never thought it was a big deal that I didn't have a shield (aside from very situational ones like Leaf Shield). Why do BBfags make a (generally) shieldless game such a big deal?

>>323754967
Yes, bullshit right?

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>he hugged the giant enemy's legs and parried

>>323754756
>someone who has played every souls game including bloodborne through hundreds of times
>hundreds and hundreds of speedruns and challenge runs over the course of years

ok buddy

>not going full turtle mode
dual shields, all day, every day.

>>323748584
quality > quantity
>>323748608
yea but fast str builds are even MORE fun

>>323754756
Eh, that's Lobos though. He's just a freak when it comes to these games.
His Ludwig run is even more impressive, if only for his determination to press on through a fight that lasted over half an hour.

>>323747160
Who is that qt? No one told me BB had girls.

>using a shield
>circle strafing
both of these things absolutely ruin every souls game, when the fuck are the going to stop circle strafing from being a thing

>>323754789
Parry with your bare hand, it's just as effecive as with a non-parrying shield, except you'll take more damage if you only get a partial parry. Other than that just roll instead of blocking.

>>323755042
>comparing platformers like megaman to souls/BB

huh

>>323754967
Yep. Opposite to what common sense would tell you, you get backstabbed all the same, and take the same damage.
The only benefit you get from a shield on your back are its passive buffs still working

>>323755221
Calm the boner anon, it's fan art. Probably just an insert of their huntress.

>>323754789
>the snakes in Sen's fortress
just backstep dude

Shields were pretty meh in DaS2 already.

>>323755240
They at least tried to do something about it in Das2 but people just complained

Can anyone name a boss harder than either,

Ancient Dragon
Iron Passage Smelter Demon
Fume Knight
Lud and Zallen

from Bloodborne? Because I sure can't. I feel like Bloodbornes bosses played a lot more fairly than previous games.

>>323755042
Could be that a major part of the combat of all the previous Souls games was the sword and board style and that an emphasis on evasion and aggression is a pretty big change of style. Possibly.

>>323755427
That's because their "solution" was to put every enemy on an invisible lazy susan which combined with the awful hitboxes led to some enemies being undodgeable until you leveled ADP/ATT to get your agility to 99+

>>323755373
No, it's actually fan art of a Vileblood knight vs. Executioners from before they got destroyed.

Pretty cool actually.

>>323755427
That level of tracking was just absurd, Anon
They could try adding more horizontal variety in the attacks. Something that would make some sense

>>323755497
lol? you can just roll instead of blocking. in fact they made it easier but not even putting the trap of shields in. aggression my ass.

>>323754981
I meant The Rotten sorry

>>323755042
Loch shield is bretty gud brah
Fuck chikages and broccolis

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HoHbros report in

>vileblood scum will never bare the weight of having to grant their former comrades mercy

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>>323755221
>No one told me BB had girls
Most of the main characters you meet in the game are female, anon.

>>323755650
OK.

>>323748584
Leveling armour did nothing but make twinking an even bigger issue.

>>323755221
>No one told me BB had girls
>he doesn't know about The Doll
I pity you, Good Hunter

>>323755316
I'm just saying that having a game without shields is not a big deal like BB fags are making it out to be. Billions of action-heavy games existed before BB that didn't use shields. Not having shields isn't a revolutionary gameplay style that never existed before.

>>323755497
>was the sword and board style
That was ONE OF THE styles. It wasn't THE ONLY style. So the fact that previous games already allowed you to play without shields makes the lack of shields in BB even more pointless of a thing to praise. BB fags make it sound as if previous games FORCED you to use shields.

>>323755715
I said situational, didn't I? It's good for very specific purposes. You obviously can't use it to tank hits from most enemy attacks the way you could in previous games.

>>323755462
They did and because they were fair they were also easier

>>323755829
I personally prefer the faster pace of Bloodborne. I'm sorry you disagree, maybe you should give the game a go? You might find you like it.

>>323755829
People who were bad at Souls games spent 90% of them turtling behind a shield. BB forcing them to not use that style made a lot of them realize that it's a lot more fun and more effective to play aggressively than turtle like a faggot.

>>323755772
well memed

>>323755591
The art's certainly cool, the artist just took a few liberties portraying Little Miss Cainhurst there, as there aren't many Vileblood related characters to go with.

>>323747993
True.

>>323755829
But no one's making out like it's revolutionary, it's just different in terms of souls games.

I literally never see anyone saying this style of play hasn't been done before, it's just common to use shields in SOULS.

>>323755462
I found Orphan of Kos harder than all of those, aside from Ancient Dragon who I didn't fight because I'm not a colossal faggot who wants to spend literally half an hour hacking away at a boss with like 3 attacks.

>>323756085
Except it isn't. Shields were never the intention, they were forced in by the publisher to casualize the series.

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>played shit ton of Bloodborne PVP
>pretty intense, die in like 4 hits
>mfw playing DaS2 SOTFS pvp
>able to tank like 10 hits before dying

What is this shit? Why is everyone so tanky in this game?

The PVP is boring as fuck.

>>323755829
Dark Souls heavily encouraged the use of shields, many classes start with them from the get-go. And there's nothing wrong with that. From decided to make a game where shields were less of a focus and I can appreciate the change in style. Calm down anon.

>>323747160
Don't worry, I don't.
Because I haven't played Bloodborne because I'm not buying a 300$ Bloodborne machine.

>>323748584
fuck I remember when I used to make posts like this, but then I played the game and realized how wrong I was.

>>323756171
People praise DS2's PVP because there's less lagstabs even though literally every fight is still determined 100% by netcode due to shitty hitboxes making it so any amount of lag makes dodging 100% impossible.

I played BB before the DaS then DeS. I feel like the souls games are slow and clunky, and easier BTW but even worse hit boxes

BB > DeS > Das >>>> DaS2

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>>323756168
>Shields were never the intention, they were forced in by the publisher
what the fuck do you even mean by that? Do you have an ounce of proof to this?

>>323756168
Who the fuck cares what the intention was? I'm not saying souls is about shields, I'm not saying it's MEANT to be played like that, and I don't give a fuck if FROM wanted them in the originals or not.

Most people use fucking shields, with a more defensive style of play. This was actually rewarded well.

BB was different in this respect.

>>323756171
backstab lmao

>>323755462
To be fair, for the Iron Passage Smelter Demon and Lud & Zallen the area preceding them was the hard part, moreso than the actual fight. At least in my experience

Specially with the Smelter Demon

>>323756343
>slow=bad
>"clunky"

Well at least you don't like DaS2.

>>323755952
But I have given it a go. Three times through. I like the game. I just don't like BB fags. Just like how I've played through all the Souls games and enjoy them but still hate Souls fags.

>>323756384
Bloodborne has two shield items, retard.
How's it feel to be BLOWN THE FUCK OUT?

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>>323755462
Ludwig, Orphan, Maria, Headless BLB, defiled Hotdog, defiled Amy and HMPH were all much harder than those IMO.

You fuck up in Bloodborne, you die, in DaS2 the bosses were a lot slower and less punishing IMO.

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>>323756487
>I dont like BBfags
>I don't like Soulsfags
what are you even doing here then?

>>323756708
If anything, my favourite thing about Bloodborne and what makes it stand out as my favourite in the series is the soundtrack.
Pretty much every track is 10/10.

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I just started this game and the only weapons I have so far are the threaded cane and saw spear. Are there many options for strength or quality builds or is it dexfag heaven as I suspect? Also, I picked the shotgun instead of the pistol, was this a bad idea?

>>323756939
There are plenty of Strength weapons.

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>>323756692
>Maria
What, why?

I had absolutely no problem with any of them with the exception of Defiled Dog and Amy, but even then once you learn their movesets they become pretty trivial.

>>323756692
Why is it the headless bloodletting beast was so easy for me? I never found this boss hard.

Defiled hotdog and the one before headless beast, that electric beast guy (Not paarl) were way harder for me.

>>323756526
Which are extremely situational, give up the ability to parry, don't block anything 100%, and take more stamina when hit (in a game where attacks take less stamina)

The only time a shield is useful is the loch shield with the reiterpallsch

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>>323751226
DESTROY HERETICS

POLISH THE GROUND WHERE THEY STOOD

>>323756939
Strength has way more options than dex in this game. Why did you pick the fucking Skill starter weapon? you should pick up a badge in the sewers that will allow you to buy the other starting weapons. Do yourself a favor and buy the Axe when you get the chance you mongoloid

>>323756939
here's a fair few for strength, but I must say, this is dexfag heaven, literally heaven.

>>323757112
Keep on backpedaling.

>>323757162
>dexfag heaven
Outside of the Cane and DLC weapons, what are some decent Skill weapons?

>>323757132
Wasn't sure whether I was going to lean for strength or skill at the very beginning. I picked the cane because it's a whip and I wanted to go Simon Belmont on some motherfuckers.

I always found evasive rolling to be easy mode in Demon's and Dark 1 (haven't played 2 but it appears rolling is much more unfeasible).
Using a shield felt more challenging as most enemy attacks would take more stamina than a roll, anything other than pure physical would still deal damage to me, blocking leaves me in hitstun for a moment and still directly in the line of sight of an enemy. Had to be a lot more cautious on the approach and be more conscious of stamina usage lest I run out of stamina to block or get away.

Once I started wearing light armor and just rolled through all attacks, everything in Souls became a cakewalk. A cakeroll. A timed roll through a big attack, hit them a couple times, roll away when they swing again. Pretty much universal approach for any enemy in both games. Rarely bothered with parrying.

I just started Bloodborne, only a short ways into the game, killed the Blood Starved Beast and am on the fourth floor of a Pthumerian Labyrinth. My ability to dodge a dozen times in a row in rapid succession has made it pretty easy thus far. I was having a bit of trouble in the beginning until I realized dodging forward would often have me zip around behind the enemy I'm locked on to like it was nothing personnel. Dodging invincibility seems so preposterously forgiving.

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>>323757070
>tfw you have all of Hotdogs movements burned in to your memory to the point where you can beat it almost every time

>>323756870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqfUuGXGu-Q

>>323757274
Reiterpallasch

HMPH is the hardest boss in From game history.

Literally have to master bloodbornes combat before being able to beat the FRC version of him.

Unchanged, he would be legitimately the most impossible boss Chosen Undead or Cursed Undead could ever face.

>>323757274
>blades of mercy
>burial blade
>untricked chikage
>rapier
>saw spear

the difference is these are actually good weapons, and the strength ones are mostly shit

>log wheel
>kirkhammer

>>323757331
>I wanted to go Simon Belmont on some motherfuckers.
that's understandable. Unfortunately, the whip form isn't very good. It has nice range and area of hit, but it's slow as shit and is one of the few weapons that can get fucked by level geometry. Anyway, after you beat the Cleric Beast you'll be able to buy a pretty cool Str weapon

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Dodging in Das1 is genuinely easier than using a shield, even more so when you use the oak wood ring. Trying to be a fatty that stacked armor and used a sheild against Biggie and Smalls was a a lot harder than using the theif's armor and just oak ring dodging everything that came close to hitting me.

Elitist dodgers are the dumbest fucking thing, there's a reason most decent players prefer dodging, because it's the strongest option.

>>323757274
Saw Spear is GOAT
Reitepallasch is great
Rifle Spear is OK
Blade of Mercy is GOAT
Burial Blade is OK, pretty cool though

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>>323757578
>Wheel

>Not the best weapon in the game

EZ FRAG GENERAL

>>323751226
>being an executioner or a vileblood
I often kill Alfred early for the wheel.

>>323757649
>you'll be able to buy a pretty cool Str weapon
The kirkhammer? I just picked it and the hunter axe up. Up to this point I had mostly been using the saw spear since it's way faster than the whip cane. I still want to keep the cane around for the ridiculous attack range though.

>>323754927
not him but the greatsword(if we are talking about DaS1) has a godly poke for a strong attack that is even better if you have the Leo ring. The poke hits like a truck on counters and does amazing poise damage

>>323757990
Even though it's a starting weapon, the axe is genuinely one of the best weapons in the game

>>323758097
The saw cleaver is the best weapon in the game and it's a starter too.

>>323758097
Axe is the undeniable best starting weapon.

You get to use one handed and 2 handed movesets and experience L2 swoops and charge attacks that actually do stuff. It has slams, pokes, slices and twirls.

It's the patrician one to start with as you actually learn how to do combat shit instead of just R1

>>323758237
No, the saw cleaver LITERALLY is the best weapon in the game undeniably.

>>323757891
>sub 100 with 2300hp

Please kill your bell maiden anytime. I don't want to invade such horror

>>323757891
Fucking wheel and kirk fags are the worst, your weapons are shit and now with the dlc they're even worse since better str weapons came out

>>323757070
>but even then once you learn their movesets they become pretty trivial.
Isn't this every boss in every game ever made?

>>323758417
Hello Reddit

The best Saw weapon is actually the Spear, not the cleaver. If you knew shit, you'd know shit.

However, I said axe is the best starting weapon. With proper blunt/heavy abyssal gemming lategame it still shits on everything anyway. Cleaver is nowhere near the best. Best at parrying because it's so predictable, maybe.

>>323758493
How fucking new are you

Arc wheel is still S teir and always will be unless they nerf flat gems

Kirk with the right gems is the most damaging weapon in the game

As someone who always played dodge and poke builds in Souls games, Bloodborne was ridiculously easy. The increased speed plus the rally system removed any real difficulty that style of play had left.

Inversely though, going back to after playing Bloodborne makes other Souls games seem far harder than before.

>>323758714
>Muh damage

Doesn't mean much with that shitty moveset

Stake drivers charge does a shit ton of damage but good luck hitting anyone

>>323758868
Literally "I beat NG and used saw cleaver r1" guy

If you actually played NG+ or chalices like a real person you'd know Bloodborne is the hardest of the games. The DLC bosses alone are harder than anything that's ever come before.

>>323758618
>reddit
i dont go there for gaming subs but that insult really got me

what a horrible person you are.

>>323758915
Kirkhammer has a great moveset, get gud.

It has L2's for a reason.

>>323759072
>i dont go there for gaming subs

Hello Reddit

>>323757802
Don't the Blades of Mercy have some notable drawback? I can't remember it.

>>323759045

I haven't played the DLC but I don't think the game only becoming hard in NG+ makes it the hardest in the series. On first play it's definitely the easiest, but as I said I'm familiar with the Souls formula and Bloodborne was specifically created with my style of play in mind.

>>323752085
if he's playing SOTFS, he better get prepered for worse.
>>yfw you defeat nashandra, and Aldia kicks in.

>>323750602
>>323754392

Wait, what?

>>323757891
I'd make this build so hard if I had PS+

I love vitgouge builds

>>323747160
grass crest shield
2h bkh

>>323753879
Grind the FALCONS IN THE BEGINNING AREA OF NG+ YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID

>>323759225
short as fuck range

not the best against hordes

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>die on cleric beast
>feel my soul leave my body

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>>323752340

>>323748584
>legoldenkek.png

>>323757649
>whip form isn't very good
Bitch, the enemy AI can't deal with the range of the whip.

>>323752340
Dark Souls 2 is the hardest game to complete because it's so fucking dull and unsatisfying that you end up dropping it after a few minutes every time.

>>323757649
Threaded Cane carried me the entire way through my first skill character. It's a beast at high levels.

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>>323757891
>80 vit

>>323747160
>implying you learned to dodge and didn't just blood-vial'd the whole game

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>>323756708

>>323747459
That's right you can't because you play on your overpriced PC

>>323757891
What even is this build?

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>Playing downgraded graphics on PS4
this is actually what Bloodborne looks like on PS4, everything else is a bullshot

>>323763843
The
>charge up logarius' wheel to full
build

>>323754392
But being left handed is superior in all ways, right-handed friend

>>323763843
A ridiculously good vitgouge build with the wheel

You use it with 2 hands so that it gets arcane damage and most of its attacks hit multiple times and each of those hits gets boosted by the flat damage arcane gems which adds that amount of damage to hit mini hit

It basically allows you to have a truckload of health and hit like a dedicated damage build. Your only problem is your limited moveset which is offset by the fact that the dodge attack for the tricked wheel is insanely good and you have access to some hunters tools

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>>323763918
>Implying graphics make a game good or fun to play

>>323764437
Nice shoes

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>>323765265

>>323757891
Fastes way to get the wheel?

>>323747160
After all the stupid multiple bosses in one room bullshit in BB and DS2 I still cannot for the life of me defeat god damn O&S by myself. Fuck.

>>323765618
Kill Alfred.

>>323765752
Go for Smough using a quick weapon.
People tell you to kill Ornstein first, this is incorrect. Ornstein has a nasty habit of doing the exact opposite of what you want, just standing around doing nothing while Smough waddles toward you, so focusing on Smough who is constantly in pursuit is a lot better.

>>323765618
Kill Alfred in his second location after Amelia.

>>323766141
Kill him too early and you won't get it though

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Would you?

>>323766184
I have been trying this but every time I manage to get close and land a hit or two, Ornstein shows up out of fucking nowhere and wrecks my shit. It's like there isn't even a slightest window of opportunity, one of them is always attacking.

>>323766692
Ornstein mostly can't attack you through Smough, so just make sure to position them right. Maybe try avoiding lock on.

>>323757891
Is this the Northern Regalia build of BB?

>>323766768
I have been avoiding lock on and I also tough he can't attack me through Smough. I was very wrong. I guess I'll just keep trying, I took a little break from them and went back to clear the Catacombs. I'll go back when I'm stronger.

>>323754451
That's one of the only things besides getting my ass kicked all the time that bugged me about Dark Souls. Wanting to put on a second weapon and the attack moveset was terrible, like the right hander would not be as good as just on its own with a shield and the left hand attack was like why did I even try doing this?

Beat Bloodborne a couple of weeks ago and have been fucking around on NG+ and new characters. Decided to run through the series starting with DaS (I no longer have a PS3 to play DeS on). Doing a no shield dexfag run and just killed Gargoyles. Shit has been easy as fuck and I'm not sure if I want to go kill Sif before Blighttown or not.

>>323747160
Why dodge when you can an block entire combo from Artorias without breaking stab?

>>323766667
Nah, she's spilling her spaghetti everywhere.

>>323747640
You can do a left-hand attack after a parry then riposte afterward to get a bit of extra damage in. It only works in PvP and only if your opponent has enough poise to tank the hit without getting stunned, but it's something. Otherwise you only did it to look cool.

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>>323766667
>mfw giant alien tits and wide hips

>>323768718
So that I can expend only 1/3 to half of my stamina at most by rolling around his big leap attacks and triple strikes compared to more than half if not nearly all of my stamina by blocking. With all that extra stamina, I can then stay close and hit him with two handed R2s in succession.

>>323754451
>Some of them are freaking amazing
90% of them have a worse stamina:damage ration than not powerstancing and just spamming L1->R1->L1->R1

>>323769081
>So that I can expend only 1/3 to half of my stamina at most by rolling around his big leap attacks

At 5 times the cost of concentration and mental effort.

I like the aesthetic of shields and my favourite weapon is the longsword. Wish there was some kind of benefit to using shields aside from clutch though, if you can dodge etc you have no use of a shield, but a shield should be an alternative style, not a crutch, like you could spec into a certain stat and it gives a % of the stats of the shield to the actual player, such as defense, poise and elemental resistances, so having it in hand means more than blocking but more all around defense.

>>323748775
He killed himself definitely. He wanted to become a martyr like his master.