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>generating new dungeons requires connecting the game online once to download required data.

15 years from now when PS4s no longer are supported by Sony and no longer able to connect to their servers, you will not be able to play randomized Chalice dungeons anymore unless you own a PS4 with the required data already downloaded.

Do you care? Are games just throw away experiences to you--not having value once they are used up, ephemeral and pointless, or do you actually want to experience the full breadth of what a game can offer even 15 years down the road?
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It would definitely be a bummer for me if I tried to play a 15 yrs old game today and I ran into that situation.

However, bloodborne's playerbase has gotten pretty small these days. So for this specific instance, I don't think its that big of a deal.

15 years down the road, no one is going to give a shit about bloodborne. People will just say, "play DaS/DeS".
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We're going to have to live with it, most of the games this generation won't be playable in ten years time for some reason or other.
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>>323719018
>"play DaS/DeS".
I dunno I've seen quite a lot of people saying it's better than DeS and at least DaS2
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>>323719202
>most of the games this generation won't be playable in ten years time for some reason or other.
Wait what. How is this? Can you give some examples of why? I mean Bloodborne should still be playable, just a few pieces will be cut out. And of course multiplayer only games--many of them will be useless but that is expected from a multiplayer only title.
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>>323719018
>pcuck in denial
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>>323719660
He said DeS. That is PS3 only
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>>323719530
Anything with online components will get shut down, anything with heavy DRM too when those servers get shut off, developers and publishers aren't too concerned about leaving anything playable behind.
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>>323719953
Seems to be a PC focused post. I mean how many console games have an "online check in"?
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>>323718558

>he plays chalice dungeons

Literally worse than all of das2
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>>323718558
>15 years
Fuck yeah Im okay with that, you kidding me?
Nobody will be playing souls games in 15 years, unless they make more of them.
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>>323720114
Just about everything EA makes these days.
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Are we just going to ignore that generating chalice dungeons works just fine in offline mode?
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>>323720358
Does EA even make single player games anymore? I can't even name one EA game released this year besides that multiplayer only star wars thing and I assume a bunch of garbage sports titles worth about 1 dollar.
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>>323720709
>>323718558
If true, I have to ask what the fuck the point of this thread even is.
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>>323720820
Is is true. The only thing that doesn't work is searching for other people's open chalice dungeons to create them for free. For obvious reasons.
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It's chalice dungeon shit
I'm happy knowing that in 15 years no one will have to experience chalice dungeons

There's a reason they're not coming back for DaS3.
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>>323720709
>>323720820
>>323720916

Even in offline mode, to generate random chalice dungeons, you MUST connect once to download the "chalice generation" data. Why they didn't just put it on the disc...
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>>323718558
>Are games just throw away experiences to you

All experiences are throw away experiences.
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>>323718558
>Are games just throw away experiences to you
You're saying this like Chalice Dungeons were a major part of the game and not garbage most people probably just touched once or twice and then never looked at again.
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>>323718558
If they bought a console then they already know their games will be obsolete in 5 years
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>>323720979
No you don't.
It just checks if there's a newer version of the generation code. If it can't find one, it'll just generate them the way they were when the game came out. Which doesn't actually appear to be any different.
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>>323721165
Tell that to all the mustards emulating SNES, N64, PS1-2, etc games
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so after beating this.
i tried my hands on dark souls.
i killed both black knights in the undead burgh and they both dropped the black knight sword and great sword and now everything dies instantly.
are these weapons supposed to be early game breakers?
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Everything will die eventually anyway.

Even you Anon.
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>>323721235
Then why does it say on their very website:

>generating new dungeons requires connecting the game online once to download required data.
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>>323721134
I love the bosses but dislike everything else in them, they're worth doing for the bosses
>>323721165
Then why are people still playing lot of Dark souls and Demons souls on PS3?

I like shitposting too, but damn.
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>>323721308
Yes but DaS was still harder than BB even with BKS.
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>>323721374
If it actually says that, I have no idea why.
Because that's not true.
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>>323721374
>its a pckek who never played the game thread
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>>323721484
Yes, people who can't play the game are defending it, makes sense.
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>>323718558
>15 years from now when PS4s no longer are supported by Sony and no longer able to connect to their servers, you will not be able to play randomized Chalice dungeons anymore unless you own a PS4 with the required data already downloaded.

I suppose you think Steam will be around forever and you will be able to keep all of your games too, right?

Stop thinking this kind of issue is tied to Sony only, this is how the entire world is shifting.
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>>323721481
oh because i played a bit of dark souls untill the end of blight town before i got bloodborne. but now that i am replaying it everything is way easier.
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>>323721630
Except I can just download cracks if Steam ever goes away.
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>>323721630
steam is a universal platform for all computers
ps4 store is tied to a single console
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>>323718558
This applies to Pii U games
This applies to Xbone games
This applies to 100% of Steam games

Do you care?
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>>323721887
No PSN is a sony platform wide account
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>Do you care? Are games just throw away experiences to you--not having value once they are used up, ephemeral and pointless, or do you actually want to experience the full breadth of what a game can offer even 15 years down the road?
Why are you taking this out on the consumer? What the fuck are we supposed to do about it? Should I boycott a game now because I won't be able to replay it over a decade from now? Do you realize how crazy that sounds? I'd rather play it now than never at all. It's an issue, sure, but an incredibly minor one and not something we have any say in. Plus chalice dungeons are shit and completely optional. The core experience will always be there.
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>>323718558
>15 years from now
hey gays, hey, what if, what if 15 years from now, bloodborne will finally come to PC
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>>323721483
My guess is even if you're in offline mode it still connects If there is an available connection. Since no one plays without an internet connection even if they dont have PS+ no one knows where a game ACTUALLY requires online connections unless it flat out tells you it is connecting
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>>323722087
Can you download all your digital PS3, PSP, Vita games to your PS4? How about virtual PS1 and PS2 games?
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>>323722004
Yes, although none of them have chalice dungeons
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>>323722260
Someone could just test it real quick by deleting all the local data, installing the game again and completely disconnecting their PS4 from the internet before starting it up.
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>>323718558
15 years from now you will be able to emulate it on PC with all content included. For free.
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>>323718558
>15 years
They're probably going to release a Bloodborne: Student of the First Eye edition on the next console anyway.
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>>323722542
Yeah just like those DeS/DaS1 re-releases, loved those.
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>>323722229
>It's an issue, sure, but an incredibly minor one
Tell that to yourself in 15 years I guess

>and not something we have any say in.
Individually, no. Collectively absolutely. If the demonic wave of "online, connected experiences" had been rejected by consumers, we wouldn't be in this situation.
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>>323722413
But no one will because it's too much trouble.

>>323722458
Hahaha no
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>>323722647
You're right, I want the complete Bloodborne experience therefore I wont buy it at all. That will show them.
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>>323722764
>Hahaha no
Stay mad consolecuck.
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>>323722603
It's a new trend, the next cool thing to do.
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Lets face it, nobody is going to be playing souls games in 15 years.
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>>323718558
silly anon
you just have to buy the Bloodborn remaster pack with all the data you need for 120$ plus the 50$ per month to be able to keep using your sony playstation 7
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>>323722284
wait you cant?
cause if you buy a ps1 game on ps3 you can use it on your psp and your vita
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>>323718558
You can't even play Bloodborne without updating if your ps4 has ever connected to the PSN.

Every game should have a PC version eventually because its' the only way it'll be playable in 50 years
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>>323722647
I agree.
However, it might be better to let this trend continue anyway and "fix" the games in 15 years when people want to play them again.
Plus, its not like all games will have this problem, but it is important that they remain the minority.
Online only games will probably be fucked though, thats too bad.
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>>323723321
No, PS4 is not backward compatible in any way.

There are a few PS2 games on the store, but you need to buy those all over. You can also rent digital PS3 games, not many listed. Again, need to buy those fresh too.
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>>323718558
How will this work with my pirated version once it's released for PC?
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Chalice Dungeons are retarded garbage so I don't give a shit.

Also data storage capacity and cost efficiency grows exponentially, so hosting legacy content will cost companies pennies over time. People will look at this shit like we look at Doom WADs.
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>>323723350
>tfw PCs will be so wildly different 50 years from now that none of the games from now will run on them

Man, how WOULD PCs look 50 years from now? Shit, think about the graphics.. sheeeit...
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I mean, are you guys upset you can't play resident evil outbreak? Literally the same situation op is describing
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Haven't played Bloodborne, but humor me. Why are these chalice dungeons a bad thing? People seem to really like the game and randomly generated dungeons just seems like it would constantly bring you more of a good thing, so what gives?
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>>323723676
You would still think they look like shit.
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>>323718558
I'm sure there are PC posters in here so I will ask; what should I even do?

Quit playing console exclusives altogether and just game on a PC? Even if most of my favorite games are Sony/Nintendo exclusive? I'm not a fan of DLC, online reliance or any of that shit, but I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it other than "get better taste" or play games I don't like because they're easily accessible, cheaper or pirateable.
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>>323723683
Or any other PS2-era game that had online multiplayer
Or any dead MMO
Or hell, even old Rock Band/GH DLC that you can't get anymore.
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>>323722603
They're coming anon
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>>323723776
If you only like PS4 games you should obviously play those. But realistically there are only 1 or 2 "exclusives" that are actually good.
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>>323722898
Enjoy your PS2 emulation that is still fucking broken on tons of games. If no one feels like fixing it it won't get fixed.
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>15 years

Nigga by that time everyone here has played that game
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>>323723971
The PS4 is garbage, pretty much all the good games are on PS3. I'm having a hard time leaving this system.
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>>323722830
It's too late now. You should've boycotted every "connected" game in gen 7
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>>323723676
>tfw PCs will be so wildly different 50 years from now that none of the games from now will run on them

DOSBox and Commodore 16 emulators exist. I expect Windows 10 emulators will also exist for whatever there is in 2066
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>>323723725
The environments are super samey, and going through them for the best gems turns into Korean-MMO levels of grind. Randomly generated or not, once you've seen the first couple, you've seen them all, and it just blends together
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>>323723998
Good thing the PS4 isn't nearly as convoluted as the PS2, PS3 or Xbox and therefore will be much easier to emulate.
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>>323723998
The good news is that there's not going to be many other games that people will be intent on fixing.
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>>323724103
I actually did.
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>>323723350
>You can't even play Bloodborne without updating if your ps4 has ever connected to the PSN.
Source?
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>>323723776
If there are actually no games on PC that you like (doubtful) just stay on a PS4.

If you really have a massive boner for uncharted but want to see what it's like on the other side just keep your PS4 and get a PC in addition then shitpost about how everyone else is poor.

I don't know what you mean by "supposed to", just do what gets you good videogames.
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>>323724104
Will we though? Just how far back will we go before we stop caring?
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>>323724104
Emulating simple things (Commodore 16) is easy. Emulating complex things is hard.
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>>323724229
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/805577-bloodborne/71547057

It's apparently to stop a duplication glitch for online play.
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>>323724090
>pretty much all the good games are on PS3

Seriously? I recently went through the PS3 library and in the end I didn't even find 10 games I thought would be worth playing.
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>>323724127
So it's more of a "who am I going to fight this time"? There aren't any branching paths or anything, just copy paste environments?
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>>323724443
Shouldn't this be illegal? It's basically sabotaging someone's game.
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>>323723725
Because some people are stupid.

I love them, and they're hard and once you git gud and understand how they work, making your own new dungeons is fun and exciting and you want to see what cooky shit you wind up with in yours.

Like there are dungeons people made where what is normally a boss is just roaming around the dungeon like a normal enemy. Shit like that is cool to experience.

Walking into some dark as fuck room and there's an npc hunter who you didn't expect to be there pushing your shit in
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>>323724510
As far as Sony exclusives I meant.
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>>323719660
Jeesus you're retarded
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>>323724812
Wait, people make their own dungeons? Or you just mean they're randomly generated for you?
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>>323724812
I like playing them but I cant be bothered to farm materials. I did all the dev dungeons and enjoyed them, I'd like to keep doing them.
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>>323724296
We'll get to the point of emulating emulators just to play games.

Emulating Windows 12 emulating a 360 emulator to play Catherine.
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>>323723725

I like them. Dungeon crawling with fun combat. Just wished the rewards were more consistent.
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>>323718558
>tfw some of my games arent even compatible with Windows 10 now
Why did I upgrade?
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A lot of people aren't getting the point. In any medium, archival is important. Even archival of the drivel.
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>>323724932
You get the materials, like a witch putting things in a cauldron, and you make the dungeon. It randomly generates the thing and it's "yours". It has your name attached to it and it has a shareable code. You then play through your own dungeon and see what it has in store.

If you have cool shit, you share and other people play it and it becomes a dungeon others use and you feel neat.
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>>323723725
They really aren't that unique, the same dungeon pieces get used over and over again. Most of the time you can just roll past everything and hit the lever. A good bit of the bosses are retreads.

And the biggest reason is that you have to do all of the story dungeons to farm top tier gems.
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>>323721272
This
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>>323725287
Too bad they're all the same.
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>>323723725
They're all the same
only the names will change
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>>323725141
Dual install W7 and W10, with 7 for most stuff and 10 only for DX12 only games
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>>323725418
They're not though.

Same tilesets and such, but you can genuinely get some weird cool things happening and weird layouts and even just better more efficient things.

I made a dungeon the other day with a messenger bath in the first side room as soon as you enter the dungeon literally right after walking through the door. Easiest dungeon I've ever seen to buy lost and uncanny versions of DLC weapons. I've been using it across all my builds.

Another one I made had a shortcut within the dungeon to bypass the boss gate and open it from the other side, the post gate sideroom was actually connected to the main layer.

Another I made had 2 brainsuckers at the gate lever, makes for great farming for flat arcane radials.

Shit like that is why I love root dungeons
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Sort of related but is there any way to say download an update file for a PS4 game like BB (or PS3 that matter I guess) without having said console connected to the Internet and just doing it on PC and then putting that on a USB stick and getting it to install?
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>>323726391
What do you think it is, a PC?
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>>323726539
You can do it on PSP
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>tfw finally killed orphan of kos
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>>323726923
Did you troll it?
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I do care, which is why I've basically stopped buying vidya this gen.
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>>323725864
Shit like this makes me wish I had PS+

I just started playing about a week ago and going through CDs to get great gems normally is a hassle. I've been settling with 20% gems from farming brains
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>tfw I died twice to the first boss already

I need to get good.
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>>323727058
Nope, did it without cheesing him in any way
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>>323720932
>There's a reason they're not coming back for DaS3.

Yeah. The lore doesn't have anything about the Yharnamites digging through the tombs of their ancestors who dug too deep into the tombs.
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>>323727594
>dug too deep
So fresh
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>>323725864
>flat arcane radials
Is this this ever useful for anything other than wheel?
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>>323727594
>muh lore

You realize it's just a justification for the gameplay right? They don't really care, if they want it to be in they'd find a justification in the lore and do it.
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>>323727983
Or maybe they didn't want the Queen Yharnam shit to get in the way of the main plot, so they set it aside for the optional content and made it work.

Just because it wasn't handled very well doesn't invalidate the premise.
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>>323719660
>being this much of an idiot
it's for posts like these I keep coming here
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What about us non-manchildren who dislike being cucked by DLC who waited for the GOTY version? Does this patch already exist on the disc?
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>>323729693
Is there even a GOTY version outside Europe?
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Is there even any way to access old versions of say DeS or BB now?
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>>323718558
Don't most games have patches?
Isn't that the way of the world now?
Preservation of modern games is impossible with console's DRM.
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