>Andre of Astoria is in the next fucking room over
>Doesn't tell the Chosen Undead or reference the Titanite Demon in the next room
Well hollows are mostly pathetic and dimwitted and the old church seems pretty protective.
It's just that there is this huge ass demon with ranged lightning just sitter there right in the next room. Maybe he just don't give a shit because they merely sit and wait for things to walk by?
>When the nameless blacksmith deity passed, from several Slabs, great beasts arose. The power of titanite remains within them, and they still roam Lordran today.
Special titanite stolen from a faceless
stone beast known as a Titanite Demon.
When the nameless blacksmith deity passed,
from several Slabs, great beasts arose.
The power of titanite remains within them,
and they still roam Lordran today.
>the Forest hunters
>Recruiting a demon
More likely Andre had a titanite slab that turned into one after the Blacksmith deity died.
There is no telling how long Andre has been in the old church, he might have started using it before Anor Londo was abandoned.
Just for some personal clarification:
Alive > Undead > Hollowed
Is the order in which people turn in Lordran?
Or are most NPCs humans, Undead are literal zombie enemies, and hollow-fication is simply the transition of Human into Madness?
Because i remember pyromancer bro becoming hollowed and I had to put him down, but i wouldn't think he was undead before hollowing.
So i'm assuming when you hollow you completely lose your mind and it has nothing to do with actually dying?
Or are there friendly undeads i just cant remember? Maybe the shop keep?
It died so fast I didn't even get to drop kick it
Fun fact: Andre has 100 poise
Everyone is undead in Lordran except for visitors like Petrus and Seiglinde.
Hollowing is when you lose your hope and will and thus your sanity.
A symptom of the hollowing transition is constant giggling.
or just mirrored. opposite leg missing, holds weapon in other hand. Would have been doubly cool if each one was different in terms of weapons and missing appendages. Since they were born from the slabs after the death of the deity, perhaps some cool lore like each demon emerges with a certain weapon based on the smith's works. Would make them moreso mini-bosses and the player wouldn't know how many there were in the world, when they would encounter them or what they would be up against.
>he actually did it
The absolute madman!
90% of the npcs you encounter are undead. Undead in dark souls is kind of different from the original idea of undead.
All that is known is you get branded with the Dark Sign and it spreads through some means.
Whether or not you need to initially die and be resurrected as an undead is unknown, but DaS II opens up with you simply being branded so you might not actually have to die.
Once branded as an undead, you can not suffer a permanent death and are tied to the bonfires, an extension of the first flame. It's implied you feel no hunger or have need for most of things that the living need, but you'll need things like an estus flask to heal yourself.
Hollowing is essentially losing your will and sanity and overall your souls and humanity. You start looking like a literal corpse. You crave nothing but souls and prey on others for them. Once fully hollowed it seems you can die, though people vising bonfires beings them back. This is either a result of time being convoluted or some other property, normal undead fade when they die, being teleported to a bonfire.
The Pyromancer was undead when you met him, he says his life was shit and then he became undead and it somehow got better.
He hollows because you sent him down into blightown to find a woman who most can not see. He lost his will to find her and thus hallowed.
He also only has 1065 HP, about 3 i-frames, and no range
And permanently dies, and as a NPC doesn't trigger level transitions so you have to teleport him
It'd be kind of nightmarish
But then he's also the only NPC that can combo attack by default, holding down buttons makes him spam attacks, other enemies play their long recovery time animations when controlled by debug .exe
So the devs probably had some fun messing around with his moveset
>Andre needs titanite to forge
>there's a titanite demon next door missing its head and leg
fuck, I just now realised this. this game just keeps on giving
Only issue here is that they all are missing the same things. Perhaps just asset reuse for convenience. But that would be a pretty sick connection you've made. Removing arms and legs, seeing if they somehow regrow.
This is where it gets confusing, there were only 4 lord souls and yet other dieites are mentioned, mainly Velka.
The lords also don't call themselves gods that often, while Velka and Flann are refereed to as gods.
They might just be something different
I always assumed that when the Blacksmith Deity passed, he never finished what he was creating and thus left all these half finished creations lying all over the place.
What I find really interesting is that they are Demons, so does that mean the Titanite Slabs they were born from were fused with part of the Witch's Soul? The only one that does respawn is in Izalith too.
What do you mean? God Hand Andre or the means to control NPCs?
Andre was originally Gwyn's son, and was originally the way you got into the Catacombs. He pushed that big ass statue in front of Frampt's hole away, that was the planned path.
Gwyn and others gave others shards of his lord soul. And his kids likely have a shard of his soul by default.
The knights he employs seem to be Lord-race too, just less powerful. They're not humans he recruited.
I really want Velka, Flann, Gwenevere and others to play a role in III. I'd hate to see these Gods just vanish from the story.
It seems they're going with the reincarnation/recycling thing from DaS2, seeing as how the Ivory Crown was seen.
Can't wait to see what Nito has constructed himself with this time, first we had Skeletons, then rotting bodies, hope we just get him as a Blood Golem next, made of blood, by the blood, for the blood, bloodborne, blood.
Andre probably expected you to fucking see it with your own eyes and decide to stay away.
It's not like it's dangerous unless you purposefully approach it, you can see it coming from a mile away.
Powerful enough being to grant power to thoses following them (Nito, Gwyn, Velka). Think mythological gods like Zeus and his crew who had to fight the Titans before ruling over greece. amongst them, four somehow got really powerful souls.
Ornstein, Artorias, Smough, maybe born from breeding between gods and humans, maybe just being gifted with lesser souls.
Originally hollows until the flame appeared, the furtive Pigmy separated his dark soul in million of piece and gave it to them, which is nowadays called Humanity.
Product of the Witch's fuckery with recreating the first flame
Divinity isn't even necessarily a good word for it. I think humans and undead treated the Lord's as gods, but they're really just another race of living beings larger, more powerful, extended if not indefinite lifespan.
Manus is implied to have the dark soul, humanity, correct? Which would imply he's the Furtive Pygmy. But humanity is the dark soul, and humans each have a piece of it, correct? So is Manus the Furtive Pygmy? And if so, how is he so powerful despite splitting his lord soul so much.
Now that you bring up Gods/Titans distinction from Greek Mythology, I'm curious if Dark Souls will ever introduce something of that level, especially with the reception of Great Ones from Bloodborne.
The Lords were also Hollows too. All human like life starts as Hollows. The text says that "they" came, and it shows these hollows, then says they found powerful Lord Souls in the flame, then it goes through the Lords.
Also Lord Race. Just less powerful.
Furtive Pygmy was a hollow who found the Dark Soul, and his descendants were the entire Human race.
No clue how Manus fits into that at all. No clue who the guy is. He could just be a manifestation of concetrated Dark. Or maybe the remnants of the Furtive Pygmy. Who knows.
Not entirely that no. I mean more like beyond the dragons, where did they come from, did they just spawn on the planet one day, or are their grander Gods/Titans out there that created this world?
That's what I'm getting at, similar to Great Ones, but not ya know Lovecraftian.
There are two main theories.
One is that Manus is the Furtive Pygmy and that as the Flame weakened his power grew.
The other theory is that Manus was a Hollow similar to the Lords, only as they ate Lord Souls, Manus began consuming the Dark Souls/Humanity that was lying around granting him increased strength as time went on and the Flame began to fade making the Dark Soul stronger.
Does anyone else believe all the Souls games take place in the same universe or is it just me?
Demon Souls would be first, after The Old One is put to sleep magic disappears from the world, leading to advances in technology seen in Bloodborne.
After the events of Bloodborne, people keep trying to summon more Great Ones and wake up The Old One. Nobody can stop it and it takes over the world, covering it in fog.
We know that the world of Dark Souls is held up by a world tree, since The Old One appears to be made up out of trees, I always assumed The Old One became the literal foundation for the new world.
Humans are forced deep underground where they devolve into Hollows before finding the Lord Souls, which could maybe be the fragments of the Maiden in Black's soul.
Does any of this make sense to anyone else?
The Lords are Hollows. Basically all the Lords you see in the game are Hollows, they consumed a Lord Soul from the Flame as opposed to be consuming Humanity like the PC and Manus do.
It's why Gwyn becomes a Hollow after so long, he's lost his purpose burning the Kiln for a thousand years.
Basically the Furtive Pygmy was first and from him spawned Hollows, those Hollows found Lord Souls within the Flame and became what we know as Gwyn, Nito, Witch of Izalith, etc. and from them spawned more things, and as Hollows/Humanity increased, Manus was born by consuming the Humanity as opposed to a Lord Soul (which had all already been consumed). As the flame began dying, the Dark Soul became stronger, and Manus became powerful through his consumption of other Hollows and their Humanity/Dark Souls.
The Light/Lord Souls that the Lords consumed counteracted their Dark Soul remnant that were received from their very brief time as Hollows before a Lord Soul.
To Hollow you need to have the Dark Sign. The Dark Signs robs you of your Dark Soul, reverting you to a Hollow that can't die.
We don't know if Lords can Hollow. Once they die, they die.
It's definitely possible. Though the absence of Beasts and the Oedon's Blood and the Kos Parasites present a problem, as does the fact that the tree in Bloodborne and the Dark Souls Giants/Tree causing some slight issues.
And Dark Souls 2 has shown us that the more powerful Souls you consume, the larger you grow and that all the Lords also recycle and are reborn as well, similar to how a Hollow always comes back. We also see Gwyn Hollow out as well.
I know the typical DaS2 isn't canon is coming, but it's clearly canon as evident by the DaS3 trailer with the Ivory King.
There was probably a huge time period between the birth of life through the first flame and the discovery of the lord souls.
When Gwyn and Izalith find the first flame, Gwyn has all his knights and Izalith had been established. It's said the Witch and her daughters once practiced a now dead magic that was replaced with Pyromancey. This means the city of Izailith must have been established long before they found the souls within the first flame.
It would also establish a sort of Waring relationship with dragons.
Lords reincarnate themselves into different beings, undeads come back through bonfires.
Hollows don't come back. This is the whole point, once you turn hollow it's over, you're by definition insane and killing you once is enough.
Not sure why he said that, I suppose it's not explicitly stated that he is undead but Rhea certainly implies it because that's the reason why they are there, and the other two dudes flat out turn hollow.
Hallowing seems to be a state where you lose your soul
In humans it seems to mainly be their humanity, souls ease their pain as undead but Humanity really helps reverse the hollowing. This is likely because Humans are naturally dark creatures and ironically their humanity matters more than the souls.
But in lords, if one were to lose his soul, he would likely appear as a hollow as well.
The guy is calling the "they" hollows because in the cinematic, skeletal and frail humanoids walk towards the flame, seemingly emerging from the ground.
A similar thing is seen in the catacoms with skeleton babies being birthed through primordial cavern stone.
lord of flame
i've already gone through all the trouble of beating the shit out of the frail old man that is making everything awful, I might as well take it in my own hands to make things right
I think with enough stretching you could make it work, but I'd much rather not think about it like that. The worlds are more interesting on their own, if it's all one story the individual worlds feel less important to me.
human hollows are collecting souls, they rarely have humanity. Once you're hollow you can't go back so their arbitrary hunger for souls does nothing.
Gwyn might have had his soul, but it was more or less burnt out.
You're not going to make anything right. You're going to burn for around a thousand years until complete combustion happens or someone comes and manage to kill you.
Also Gwyn did nothing wrong. No matter if his son is Solaire or Andre, at the end of the day they're both bros to you, and Gwyn was the one that sacrified everything to make sure everyone could live happily a bit more.
So did we ever determine if the Ornstein in DaS1 or 2 was the real one?
If the one in DaS2 is just a reincarnation, does that mean Smough, Ciarin, and Artorias are out there too? Does that mean they'll repeat what happens before with Artorias falling to the dark?
If it is the real Ornstein in 2, then I wonder how he feels knowing how bad everything has gotten fucked beyond belief.
If he's just a doppleganger, does that make him my DaS1 PC still alive, if so, then who the fucks ashes do I find all over the damn place?
Briefly reading over some of the responses here, there seems to be a slight back and forth on whether Gywn was a hallow by the time we meet him.
Given everyone's start as a hallow, and being reborn into their status/named characters through consumption of the lord souls they each individually consumed, Gwyn was the Lord of Cinders. The story had it that he kepts breaking off pieces of his own soul to keep the bonfires lit. Like all characters (including the PC) as you lose your soul you eventually become hollowed.
Its not said outright but it could be the case that at the Last Kiln, where you fight Gwyn, either he had given his remaining soul to light that flame, or enough so that given time his last remaining essence of soul bled out over time (as it seems to be a theme that with time characters hollow out).
So I'm more than sure he's hollowed when we meet him and thus he attacks us (since we have souls and he's craving them). I forget though, does he talk at all during the battle? Might be a distinction.
Then again, he drops his soul on death and you loot it. Assuming this is more than just for the video game sake (giving players something to build as a reward in NG+), he must have used a majority of his soul for the last flame and sat there guarding it and feeding it.
google dark souls debug .exe
find it somewhere
the real thing is 17,218 KB
the rest is experimentation
note you can't play it with 60 fps though unlocked 30 is fine
even bonfires, though you cant do diddly with them
you have to activate bosses by entering the arena though, and there are limits to how far you can teleport enemies
I don't think that's hollowing. He was probably just born horribly deformed, and subsequently was pissed off that he was a wreck of a dragon and so he betrayed his own kind to try and fix his problems by experimenting on their corpses and what not.
I'm just gonna post shit
Also before you get any funny ideas, no, bosses and enemies are client-side only, they'll only see a teleporting freak undead
The debug exe is also locked to its own server now, so you can only play with the 3 or so people that might be playing it, if at all
Gwyn was still burning in the kiln when we fight him, he'd just burnt so much that there was barely any fuel left for the fire. That's why we get his soul after killing him; he hasn't fully burnt away yet.
It's probably for video games sake that his soul is worth the most.
Manus's head is literally in a C shape, the Titanite Demons merely have it on their back.
First fucking result from google
Doubt it's the real one. Be it an impostor who learned of the great dragon slayer from ages past and attempted to recreate him or some sorta summoned phantom, it's doubtful that he would have survived the PC in 1 no matter what.
>Apart from Lautrec who killed for his goddess (and it didn't do him much good), there's no indication that the gods are unfair to humans.
"Lord Gwyn trembled at the Dark.
Clinging to his Age of Fire, and in dire fear of humans,
and the Dark Lord who would one day be born amongst them,
Lord Gwyn resisted the course of nature.
By sacrificing himself to link the fire, and commanding his children to shepherd the humans,
Gwyn has blurred your past, to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord."
That doesnt mean they were malicious to humans. That and the history of Anor Lando shows that humans and gods lived together in about as much harmony as you could expect with a population like that. The gods guided the humans, in spite of knowing that humanity would lead to their demise to a world where only humans would rule.
>snitch on the titanite demon to some random stranger that comes across
>random stranger will probably fucking die and go hollow
>your roomate no knows you snitched on him and fucking hates you and is looking for ways to thunder your ass throu the little door al day making clanking noises
>That doesnt mean they were malicious to humans
>That doesn't indicate that Gwyn mistreated humans
"Yes, indeed. The Darksign brands the Undead. And in this land, the Undead are corralled and led to the north, where they are locked away, to await the end of the world... This is your fate."
I'll admit as much that it's quite vague. Indeed, humans lived alongside the giants in Anor Londo. The humans founded their own city of New Londo which was set to be a thriving culture, and I can only assume the Four Kings used to be human. Oolacile was a place of spiritual sorcery and was allowed to thrive before Manus showed up. But that was all before Manus showed up. The stairs n' shit in Anor Londo was for humans pre-Manus after that it probably went "you little shits get out of my city."
...What? Which part? Everything I just stated is evidenced by item descriptions or world design, except for my supposition that after Manus showed up Lord Gwyn locked people up, which is still somewhat supported by the intro narration.
In pretty much all stories and things we hear and see, the only time tensions were strained between gods and humans were when the fire started to fade. Because they knew what it portended.
>the only time tensions were strained between gods and humans were when the fire started to fade. Because they knew what it portended.
Well, yeah. I'm not arguing about when it happened, I'm arguing that it DID happen against: >>323599235
> there's no indication that the gods are unfair to humans.
Unless he or you meant that just on a general basis the giants were just like "yo little dude you p. cool." In which case I agree, I never understood the supposition that humans were slaves to the giants on a regular basis.
You keep saying the Lords abused humans or limited/mistreated them in some way, yet nothing in the game support that. You're reaching and trying to glue the facts to your theory.
Oh nah dawg that wasn't me. Seems we have had a little misunderstanding, mostly due to my lack of reading skills. Yeah I don't think the giants abused humans regularly, just after the Oolacile incident. My b.
>just after the Oolacile incident
And why would you think that ? Most humans seem to live relatively normal lifes, and considering undeads are ticking bombs locking them up is the best option.
I'm pretty sure everyone, humans or lords alike mistreated the ones who turned undead according to what most NPCs tell you but I don't understand how Manus or Oolacile ties in to any of this
>And why would you think that ?
Dialogue from Kaathe and the intro narration.
>Most humans seem to live relatively normal lifes
True enough. Kinda fucks with it a bit but I'm goin' by the game's evidence.
That's a tad confusing, since I imagine human, undead or not, carries the dark soul within them, no?
>No cure to the darksign
>Even rationals undeads can go Hollows and try to kill the first moving thing they see if they had a shitty day
What the fuck do you expect them to do ?
Whoa hold up now now we're in different territory. Yo if I'm imprisoned by the giants and I can fight my way out I'm gonna do it mate. Sure I can understand why they did it but maybe if Gwyn tried a lil' diplomacy I wouldn't be so mad when Oscar broke me out.
Yeah, I was thinking of how the male undead merchant mentions that noone bothers him anymore and the female one tells you "you know how it is to be undead" or something along those lines but it isn't really explicit if every single undead is treated like that or why
One thing I hate about the Dark Souls approach to story is how Undeath, the catalyst for everything in the game, is absolutely unexplained. Like how does become undead? Do they just start growing the Darksign on their skin? Is the Darksign a physical thing or just what your mind rationalizes?
>Mfw undead merchant talks about how he used to be bullied
"It's actually quite nice here, you know?
The hollows don't care for a skinny old twig like me.
I've got Yulia… And nobody pelts me with stones anymore.
You're Undead, you know how it is.
I was treated worse back at home."
But yes it's never explicitly talked about what being undead does or what have you.
And people ask why this board is such garbage these days. Instead of letting him lurk/search for himself you prefer to encourage newfaggotry and lazy behavior. It's no wonder that people don't care about the quality of posting when there's idiots such as yourself to reward shitposting.
Everytime it's mentioned people use the expression "Now that I have become undead" or something alike.
Maybe it activates upon death and there's no way to know you aren't a bearer before
Dark Souls II tried to answer that, but for some reason introduced the concept of Human Effigies which ended up muddling things even more and STILL doesn't explain the difference between undead and regular humans.
As the first flame fades, humans are intrinsically drawn to it so they can rekindle it with their bodies. The darksign manifests wherever it pleases (like Lucatiel's face) and gives you immortality. But NONE OF THAT answers what the fuck undead are or what human effigies are supposed to be.
Why not just have humanity then?! And what the FUCK was up with Grandahl and the Dark Chasm of Old man fuck that quest.
Huh? I mean that's kinda the same in Dark Souls: Never lose your purpose and you never go hollow.
Not him but the problem with 2 is that they did nothing to circumvent the standards we see in 1. Oh you need Humanity in order to be human. Okay fine. Wait we're doing effigies now? Okay...so what happened to Humanity? Oh it still exists we're just not using it anymore? Well that's kind of dumb because it's not like Hollowing is no longer a thing or works differently. I mean I think most people would've been okay with it if the Effigies were still Humanity but were called something different. You can handwave that as history getting the names of things mixed up. But it isn't it's a totally new thing that showed up with no explanation or subversion of any kind.
DaS2 does that a lot actually which is why people like to call it fanfiction.
I don't think it works like that. Because some characters wound up afflicted with the Curse and had to deal with it (Laurentius says he just woke up one day and discovered he was Undead and was happy for it). While others can become Undead willingly (Solaire said he became Undead explicitly for the purpose of fulfilling the prophecy and finding his own sun.)
Except you are not actually helping people. You're encouraging them to not learn how to search things for themselves and to always depend on others. What the anon was asking was posted in the very first reply, but he kept shitposting, acting like a retarded and being lazy instead of putting a minimal effort into search what he wanted. So what you did in response?Kept being nice and spoon feeding his lazy, newfag ass. Not only your behavior attracts shitposters, newfags and helps to decrease the quality of the board, as it doesn't really help anyone in the long term because it actually just helps to spoil people.
So I hope that the feeling of disagreeing with me, and with /a/ as it seems that they made you butthurt and also the false feeling of being nice to others make you feel good. Because your action is cancerous as it gets.
I just talked to Sieglind after lost izalith and she mentioned "if my father goes hollow, I'll just have to kill him again" so maybe you become undead after dying but most people don't realize they did so it's just like waking up for them
Shrugger of the Curse all day.
>Cycle 376 of our Lord and Savior Vendrick
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
The only explanation I can come up with is that when the Age of Dark begins to approach it's zenith the Humanity within Humans begin to wander away on its own. That's why people say Humanity is "harder to hold on to," the Humanity is literally trying to escape. And so you end up with shit like the Humanity sprites in Manus's cave where they have no body to live in and yet they still hang around. And as for the body it just reverts back to how pygmy bodies are without a flame, Hollows.
>Don't care. Not gonna stop.
Nice rebuttal, as expected from a retarded newfag.
>/a/ is probably the only board on 4chan worse than /v/.
No, not really. As someone who don't even watch anime anymore, I can safely say that /a/ is much better than /v/. You just think otherwise because you came to this site last year and don't know anything about board culture, lurking and also don't care about the quality of the posts. You prefer /v/ because here you can shitpost endless without consequences, while on /a/ people will call you out on your bullshit and also there's a great chance that a mod you either delete your post, or ban you.
/v/ is easily the worst board on 4chan, I just keep coming here because I really like vidya.
>b-b-b-but muh board culture!
>Y-you j-just g-got here!
I can kind of agree with this accept that the Darksign is described as a brand so it's probably obvious who's Undead and who isn't depending on who has the brand. Although as I say that I realize that you can't really see the brand unless you're lacking Humanity so maybe I'm wrong
>"if my father goes hollow, I'll just have to kill him again"
Does that imply he's gone hollow before? That he'll be cured? When he's dead in Ash Lake I always interpreted that s deader than dead.
That's a problem in both games, something that Demon's Souls didn't have. I mean it's supremely aggravating when Lucatiel is fretting about hollowing and she fucking gives you an effigy I'm just like "use it you stupid idiot."
No it doesn't imply he's gone Hollow before. Only that she's killed him before. For one reason or another she killed him while he was still sane and he just respawned at a nearby bonfire and was like "what the fuck daughter?" But she acknowledges that if he actually does Hollow out then she'll need to kill him again.
Wow, maybe the humanity is like you said trying to escape and go back to it's original form, the dark soul, that's why there are several ones in Manus cave, and that's what Darkstalker Kaathe and his darkwraiths are opposed to Gwyn since maybe linking the first flame is preventing it hence why Kaathe says Gwyn is resisting the course of nature
>Better to greentext his posts with stutter typing, that sure will dismiss his points
>And so, an another Chosen Undead goes hollow
Well there's a very important difference between the other 3 Lord Souls and the Dark Soul. When Gwyn split up his soul he got weaker as a result. But the Dark Soul doesn't for some reason. It started out very small and insignificant while Gwyn's soul was an inferno in the intro bigger even than the souls of his peers. So when you rejoin all shards of Gwyn's Soul you just get Gwyn at his original power. When you rejoin all the shards of the Dark Soul you get the Abyss that seems to be trying to devour everything.
>You can become Andre in DS2 with the Bone Fist.
I only implied that you were samefagging, which is highly likely. There's no way to be sure of that though.
Still, the point is that samefagging or not, your post is meaningless because it serves as nothing more as a upboat for the previous post due to the lack of reasoning/explanation in it.
I should post the whole conversation then "My father? He went on his final adventure.
Don't worry, that's just the way he is. Undead or no. Sort of reasuring, really.
If he goes Hollow, I'll just have to kill him again." What I was thinking is that her father asked her to kill him so he could keep adventuring as an undead
Also about Kaathe. A very important detail that everyone misses is that he says that the people he contracted to serve him failed him and failed to see the truth. Probably meaning that while his intent was to destroy Gwyn, the people serving him went about their own fuckery instead.
>Okay so I'm gonna tell those guys at Oolicile about Manus. That should make the Abyss spring forth and bring the Age of Dark
>Alright so I've been gone for a while, let's see what happened at Oolicile...oh. The people here got caught up in finding Dark magic and mutated themselves. Well at least there's Manus, oh Manus is dead. Who the hell killed him!?!
>Okay so let's try this again. This time I'll get the New Londo residents to use Lifedrain to steal Humanity from alternate dimensions. They can gather up Humanity, grow in power, then destroy Gwyn and finally bring the Age of Dark
>These fuckers have made zero progress in becoming the Dark Lord. They're not targetting Gwyn, they just keep killing each other and gathering more and more Humanity for no reason other than to have it. And now they're flooded in so they can't do anything anymore.
>Well the 4 Kings are dead. Maybe this new Undead will finally be the one to destroy Gwyn and end the Age of Fire?
I'm not sure I can go with that. If he's Undead then killing him would've been pointless, he knows he'll just come back. My guess is that because Undead are ostracized wherever they're found he probably left on his own to adventure knowing he can't go back home. So that's why he called it his final adventure, he knows there is no going back to his family so it's better to do what he loves before he finally hollows.
I can't think of a reason why his daughter would've killed him the first time but honestly I don't think it matters too much either.
I think that's what I like about the NPCs in DaS1. They represent different aspects about how the world deals with the Undead but at the end of the day they're just people trying to have their last little hurrah before everything irrevocably goes to shit. Except for Lautrec but fuck Lautrec
I can see anon living his life clearly now.
>anon lives at home as a NEET, not being able to hold down a job due to severe attitude issues
>his mother asks him to pass the salt at the dinner table
>anon flies into a fury, throwing the salt across the room "Go fucking get it you bitch, I'm not going to fucking spoonfeed you. Do something for yourself for once. YOU ARE DEGRADING THIS HOUSE'S CULTURE!"
>anon's mom quietly composes herself and leaves the room, she can be heard sobbing in the next room.
>anon's father, jaded and bitter from their failure of a son's constant tantrums goes off to comfort her. The beating have long since ceased as they have failed to bring results.
That's more like a blank statement. It means nothing if you don't back it up with a logical reasoning, examples, comparisons etc. I already explained why your action is cancerous and also why it doesn't help people in the long term. On the other hand you did nothing to help your point or to refute mine. You only argue based on emotion(probably because you got told on /a/ in the past and decided to do the contrary of what they say because of that). Just so you know, being against spoon feeding isn't exclusive to /a/, it was pretty common for other boards to have the same position in the past(/v/ was one of them)and that only changed because the board became extremely big, impossible to control and flooded with newfags who don't bother to lurk, just like you.
Do you've brain damage?What being one person has to do with anything?Yeah, you are probably samefagging but that's irrelevant to the point. I don't care if it's one, two or ten people, their(or your)posts serve as nothing but upvotes if they don't back it up.
>You just think otherwise because you came to this site last year and don't know anything about board culture, lurking and also don't care about the quality of the posts.
>muh baseless assumptions
Yeah fuck him, one of his summons is wearing the crimson set except for the mask which says "it symbolizes their resolve to keep the seal shit forever and their atonement for all who were sacrificed, but two of the three forsook New Londo upon tiring of their duty" so that guy pretty much abandoned ingward and the lady sealer who tried to cure the people in blighttown to have fun with Lautrec
>world is unchanging
>dragons on top
>some hollows just muttering around
>hollows find the first flame
>find Lord Souls and get awesome powers
>one finds the Dark Soul
>Lords wage war on Dragons on top
I already explained why it's bad in the context of spoonfeeding obvious shitposters on 4chan. Try to analyze each situation individually instead of applying universal views to everything.
Also, like I said above, it doesn't matter what point you make. It's meaningless if you can't back it up with a logical explanation, that's the basic principle of argumentation. Saying ''I don't need to explain it because it's obvious'' is no different from what a child would do.
Eh I'm kind of with him on this one. Gwyn probably didn't discover the surface yet but he did find time to establish an order of knights and metal forging. Hell Gwyn wasn't even first generation because he has an uncle, Lloyd. Which means his father and uncle found souls first and reproduced even though the soul they found wasn't a Lord Soul. I digress though it was probably sometime between when the First Flame was initially discovered and when Gwyn struck first blood against the Dragons
the dark souls hierarchy of shit
dragons - the first beings. used to rule the world alone, but the lords fought them so that their own kingdoms could spread.
lords - found the lords souls and ascended.
gods - children of lords or those granted power by lords.
giants and unnamed humanish race (nephilim?)- races who serve the lords and gods. giants, black knights, ciarin, ornstein, artorias.
demons - chaos manifested, corruptions of flame.
monsters - monsters and beasts like cats, rats, dogs, frogs.
humans - hollows holding a shard of the dark soul which gives them life and purpose.
hollows - basic life forms, empty shells without souls or a purpose.
I know exactly what a strawman is. It is you who seems to be confused. I was merely helping you and corrected the term, because you seemed to be confused.
For you see anon, and I won't make you look this up, because I don't subscribe to your silly ideology, a strawman is defined as "a sham argument set up to be defeated." I did not set up an argument to be defeated, I merely told the sad story of your life for fun and amusement.
Well I think the witches deserve special mention because they aren't referred to as gods, just witches. So the residents of Izalith weren't so bold as to call themselves gods. With the except of the Witch of Izalith who, let's face it, bore world changing power.
Probably on Ciaran's part. The weird thing about Ciaran is that her feelings for Artorias are explictly mentioned but never the other way around. Did Artorias not know? Did he just not reciprocate? Did he put duty ahead of his feelings for her? It's things like this that make me wish I could see Anor Londo in its prime. And interestingly the locks of hair on her mask aren't standard issue, she had to put in extra work to distinguish herself from the other Lord's Blades.
Fair enough. I mean Artorias is like 3 times her size, assuming she could survive the encounter he could literally use her as a fleshlight.
>you will never be as cute as Ciaran
>you will never BE Ciaran
>you will never feel Artorias's strong embrace
>he will never be secretly in love with you
>you will never taste his sweet, huge dick
>he will never fuck your tiny body gently
Fucking kill me already.
Dawg you trippin' if you don't think Ciaran wasn't just as much lustful as she was in love with Artorias.
She probably furiously masturbates to the thought of being used by him.
>And interestingly the locks of hair on her mask aren't standard issue, she had to put in extra work to distinguish herself from the other Lord's Blades.
Artorias was probably the the motivating factor for that because once he dies she instantly retires.
>he wouldn't fuck Artorias
A true faggot right there.
She seems to hate humans, but it's possible she just pretends she isn't one. I think that any servant of Gwyn probably gets at least a tiny fragment on his soul though, and that that would replace her dark soul if she had one to begin with.
Not really, my accusation came along with a argument in the context of what we were talking about, it came after I had explained myself and made my point. While your post just takes things out of context and serves as nothing but a a poor attempt to trigger me.
That's the same as accusing someone of ad hominem just because it placed a insult in the middle of his argument and then comparing to a point that you made purely to insult someone.
Answering that question would require answering the question of where the First Flame even came from. Which no one has even the faintest clue about. Anyway it probably is a Yin Yang kind of thing. Gwyn has the soul of Light so in contrast the Furtive Pygmy has the soul of Dark. The Witch has the soul of Life therefore Nito has the soul of Death.
I don't think she hates them, just she has a low opinion of them. She's amiable to you when asking for Artorias's soul but doesn't reveal her attitude towards humans in general until you take a swipe at her.
>And interestingly the locks of hair on her mask aren't standard issue, she had to put in extra work to distinguish herself from the other Lord's Blades.
where can I see other lord blades?
Been fooling around in the debugger and found out you can trigger invasions with it. I'm not sure if these actually do work, but you can invade and put down signs anywhere
I wanna test this in firelink shrine. Anyone with SL of ~40 wanna help me with it?
I'd say she had just given up on everything at that point, including her hate for humans. Her lover(?) just died, the dark is spreading, and Gough seems to have already stopped caring. She gives you her weapons because she doesn't plan to keep fighting against anyone anymore, but to just stay by his grave for the rest of her life. Attacking her would obviously make her mad and immediately start actively hating humans again, especially since you just killed Artorias.
That's how I always saw it, anyway.
What if you fought a tag team of mirrored titanite demons but when one dies, the other takes the fallen ones leg as its own then takes its soul to form a head? Ds3 O&S evil team boss?
Main character in DaS3's default form is human.
Ascended form (human form in DaS1) is Lord of Cinder.
Everyone there seems to have lit the flame. And from what I know the bosses are also others who lit the flame. Perhaps now you can have the pleasure of ending the sunbros or something.
That would've been a very hard sell for her. You gotta understand as far as the occupants of Lordran are concerned Artorias is ridiculously strong. And I mean fucking ridiculous. Not only does he bear the title of greatest Greatsword user period (just for reference the one everyone worships as a god is also a Greatsword user) but when Artorias failed to fight the Abyss by himself everyone pretty much gave up. They threw up their hands and said "welp, Artorias couldn't do it. I guess the Abyss really is unstoppable." You can get away with fighting Artorias because it's impossible for you to stay dead. But nobody else wants to play that game.
Listen you're not wrong about spoonfeeding but you are being far more emotional than him. You're so supremely butthurt over such a small thing that it's just plain humorous. Every post sounds like a furious fedora tipper trying to sound non chalant and calm.
Just end your life.
I really need to replay this game again
btw why did he fail and why do we succeed?
I would have more questions but I dont think everything is answered, its the part of the charm isnt it hehe
This makes no sense.
As stated before, Lords were hollows who found a Lords Soul and gained power with it.
While Gods already existed and are unrelated to the 4 Lords finding the first flame.
On the other hand, Nito became the god of death and disease after finding the first flame, which leaves only one conclusion: Fann and Velka were part of another kindling of the first flame and are remnants of an earlier age, and since there is no real beginning or end, we can assume time passes in a cyclic manner.
Well Elizabeth gives us this line
>Knight Artorias came to stop this, but such a hero has nary a murmur of Dark. Without doubt, he will be swallowed by the Abyss, overcome by its utter blackness...Indeed, the Abyss may be unstoppable
This reflects in other servants of Gwyn too in their weakness to Dark and Occult weapons. Those who bear the soul of Light are gravely weakened and susceptible to Dark. The fact that Artorias lasted as long as he did is really kind of astounding. Although Arty had to kind of cheat by making a covenant with the beasts of the Abyss (likely Kaathe) which ended up cursing him.
So it was misfortune that led him to the last fight against us in his dark corrupted state. I mean really, the strongest, badass fighter just wasnt predistined to win against the dark plague but a soulless nobody is. What a shame, really.
This is where it gets too gamey for my tastes (Im so sorry for saying this)
I just realized that, while DkS3 might be good gameplay-wise, it will never get close to DkS1 because what makes it such a great game is its characters and lore. Unless DkS3 deals directly with DkS1 events, I don't see it surpassing it.
I just figured the blue sentinels used a hero of old as a test of mettle for new initiates. It's probably just an illusion that can actually hurt you, akin to the silver knights in anor londo.
Well kind of understand that the soulless nobody is built for this particular mission. You can't die. Well you can but death is more of an inconvenience for you. Meanwhile as powerful as Artorias was he only gets one shot and he lost. He had no choice but to retreat but by then it was too late, the damage was already too much and the corruption too deep. As Gough said though he died with his honor intact. He probably spent his remaining moments killing Bloatheads right up until he met you at the Colosseum where he finally broke. But no one but you saw him that way. As far as the rest of Lordran is concerned he was still a hero and not a monster.
Also interesting line by Chester:
>Did you really slay Knight Artorias? I'd heard the Abyss found him first, but even still...That's absolutely treacherous. Yes, magnificently so! Mwah hah hah!
So even killing a fallen Artorias is still considered a sin by everyone living there. That dude was loved by a lot of people.
It could try to, you know, give us another cast of great characters.
Dark Souls 2 failed miserably at giving us one remotely interesting character, I mean shit, the character with the most personality is Jester Thomas, and he doesn't have a single line of dialogue. Maybe Dark Souls 3 can step the fuck up.
What Gough meant by died with honor intact is that he didn't kill innocents and died in battle. If Artorias had went up to Kalameet and died to it, he would have died with honor too.
You the player are destined to become more than a hull that you are, because videogame, mc etc etc. To be more concrete, you are nothing but a gifted spit on a hot stone and still more "powerfull" than the strongest of warriors, basicly a cheater everyone would hate in a different medium.
What an iconic moment in retrospect, any hints on why he broke down just when you arrived (ive heard the cut dialogue but no reference why excactly you triggered his breakdown). Furthermore, what about the pendant. In my book it is the alpha stadium of an antidode against the dark. Why wasnt it used with an catalyst to strenghten its power and ban the dark?
He's an NPC you can summon for Mytha. And he absolutely wrecks her shit in, kind of like how Black Iron Tarkus shits all over the Iron Golem.
And then From thought it'd be a grand idea to buff him immensely, and make him invade you.
He's also the first NPC in the Dark Souls series to emote at you in the fight, saluting you when he spawns in, and laughing at you when he kills you, repeatedly, with fire.
really, of all the retarded shit, you decide to pick on this??
but i will give you the fact this boss does look stupid as hell, and most of the game is overhyped neogaf meme shit only an impressionable retard would enjoy
>Now that you bring up Gods/Titans distinction from Greek Mythology, I'm curious if Dark Souls will ever introduce something of that level
Why do you think Lordran has those fuckhuge walls?
You're stronger than everyone else because the fire is fading and the Dark is growing, not because you're the main character. Did you even play the game? Any "Chosen Undead" can give up at any point and hollow like any other undead, there's nothing special about the character other than that he is the one who keeps going.
Let me guess: boss fights, leveling, upgrades are all too gamey and are uncool, right?
That was probably just the longest he could hold out. He was probably on the brink by the time you showed up and then just snapped.
As far as the Pendent is concerned it was just a gift given to Artorias.
>One of the ancient treasures of Anor Londo. Presented to Artorias for facing the Abyss.
Probably after his first encounter with the Abyss. Which to me puts the events of Oolicile after the events of the Occult Rebellion. Anor Londo probably began devising defenses against Dark and Occult weaponry after that point. But back on point while the Silver Pendent does protect against dark magic, it does NOT protect against Humanity. Humanity will just pass right through it and won't slow it down one bit.
>and still more "powerfull" than the strongest of warriors, basicly a cheater everyone would hate in a different medium.
You're really looking at this all wrong, but >>323617390
already explained it. But allow me to add the fact that the game completely subverts the "chosen one" trope, and that the majority of bosses you fight are just old and tired beings. Did all of that just fly over your head?
>any hints on why he broke down just when you arrived
Because he had dark all over him?
>what about the pendant. In my book it is the alpha stadium of an antidode against the dark. Why wasnt it used with an catalyst to strenghten its power and ban the dark?
Because the game isn't about that. The game is about the end of eras. The dark is coming, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. You can prolong the age of fire for a bit more, but what good is that? The end is coming.
> Ring of the Evil Eye
> According to legend, this ring contains the
spirit of the evil eye, a dark beast which
> Dark Beasts roaming the outskirts of cities, can attack entire kingdoms at once
Those walls aren't meant to protect us from other kingdoms.
We have good Souls threads all the time, most are even better than this one.
Just realized that, yes. Strange how past all the dank maymays from other people, the souls community is actually much more than a bunch of bro dudes typing git gud all the time
NPC phantoms in SotfS is amazing as fuck.
That ninja in hunstman copse for example would use multiple weapon, ninja-like spell and ranged weapon responding to the situation.
Even the NPCs hunter in Bloodborne are not comparable to them.
Hopefully they made it the same in DkS3
you know thats actually a good point, just because the witches we see look human they may not be merely human just as ciarin uses a human model but lore wise is not.
i assume it was just some thing that had previously always existed like the dragons.
if you take ds2's lore into account you could say it just kind of reforms and is found again every time the entire world does a reset. and a new cycle is born.
yeah the lords were hollows before they found the lords souls, and your opinion on flann and velka is just as good as mine seeing as how neither of us really has more info on it so i respect that. but does the game ever refer to any of the four lords as anything but lords? i dont remember any time they are called gods.
the thing you mentioned about the gods being from a previous age kinda makes sense though seeing as how all father lloyd is gwyns uncle which has always struck me as weird until i read what you said just now.
So if this is a general lore thread, why do hollowed enimies respawn, but NPCs don't? I mean, I get that killing them cause them to go hollow, so their personality is lost, but why don't they come back as hollows like the soldiers do?
>"What good is that the end is coming"
That sort of logic is ridiculous. Life is about prolonging for as long as possible. If not we might as well all kill ourselves because eventually we'll die anyway
Calm down tyler, what reason does the player have to kill stuff anyway. Why not just sit down and forge weapons. Without options you are forced into tropes and there is literally no reason for you to do any of this except for videogame. Thats the point, I dont have any reason for all this thats why I have difficulty to understand why everything is happening. I played this game for 600 hours stil doesnt mean I understand the story.
So why not holding out and forge a much stronger pendant, It isnt stated anywhere that the spread of the abyss is that fast that the strongest warrior could not have waited a bit more until a stronger is created. How is humanity connected to the dark and the abyss and why is it important to be protected against it if the real enemy is manus? ( I suppose he is the source of dark and that with his death you stop the spreading?)
I was asking why when you arrived, why not when you and this woman (i forgot her name, she gives you weapons) Its too scripted, thats all. Furthermore its not about what the game is about but what is logical, if they felt the need to create a pendant that protects against dark, than the logical step forward would to create something alike that DEFEATS the dark instead of sending their best warrior on a suicide mission. This are blank spots i dont really get, sorry for fucking taking a sec to think about stuff i dont understand, please dont edgy too hart its an interesting topic.
They did that in Demon's Souls with the Old Monk-boss.
Also, to some extent, you could say Mirror Knight fight from DaS2 hasa fairly similar concept.
So it has been a feature in at least two titles as far as I can recall.
That's stupid, like keeping a 90+ year old on indefinite life support (technically possible) on a heart-lung and dialysis machine with IV-nutrition etc... When it's time to go, it's time to go.
Things are born, things grow, things fade, things die. That is the Way of the World™. The Gods in Dark Souls were just unwilling to let it happen to them, and in resisting the inevitable they brought about great suffering (the fall of Anor Londo, the creation of Demons, the rise of the Undead, etc.) and their own fall. And for what? In the end it happened anyway.
Out of all the myriad peoples of Dark Souls, I'm gonna argue the Demons got it the best
>more powerful than ever
>Most likely gonna be Taurus or Capra instead of some weird shit like Centipede
>absolutely immune to the curse
>I was asking why when you arrived, why not when you and this woman
That's a very, very odd question. Why wasn't Colonel Kurtz already there when Captain Willard and co. get off the boat? Why didn't the shark in Jaws leave once it ate Alex Kitner? Why didn't Romeo wait for Juliet to wake up? See where I'm going with this?
>if they felt the need to create a pendant that protects against dark, than the logical step forward would to create something alike that DEFEATS the dark
The giants/lords don't have much experience with the dark so they probably don't know how to do that.
>Don't understand the story
Here's the basic gist. The First Flame is going out. The Age of Fire is ending and the Age of Dark is coming. Why is this a problem? With the Age of Dark you have the curse of Undeath, so people no longer die normally. They just die over and over again until they hollow out. Or they become interdimensional axe murderers on the hunt for Humanity. Or they just outright turn into horrible monsters. Also the unchecked spread of the Abyss. See this is a nightmare for everyone but apparently this is just the course of nature, the way things are just supposed to be. But Gwyn did not accept this so rather than allow things to devolve to this state he used himself to keep the Age of Fire going a little longer. But this is treatment, not a cure the Age of Dark is still on its way. There's a prophecy that says a Chosen Undead will learn the fate of the Undead but you meet two different snakes who give you two different stories. One snake tells you that you're supposed to do the same thing Gwyn did and keep the Age of Fire going a bit longer. Banish the curse of Undeath and bring the gods back in power. But there's no sign that this will lead to a different result than when Gwyn did it so is it worth it? Another snake tells you that your fate is to lead the vanguard of the Age of Dark and take command of the Abyss and the new Age. But as said the Age of Dark is a horrible, frightening, and violent place. But apparently this is just nature running its course.
So which choice do you think is the correct one? Keeping a nice lie going a little bit longer or embracing the brutal truth? Well that's Dark Souls in a nutshell.
>Calm down tyler, what reason does the player have to kill stuff anyway. Why not just sit down and forge weapons. Without options you are forced into tropes and there is literally no reason for you to do any of this except for videogame. Thats the point, I dont have any reason for all this thats why I have difficulty to understand why everything is happening. I played this game for 600 hours stil doesnt mean I understand the story.
Sure just sit down and forge weapons then, nothing's stopping you. See how long you last without hollowing though. Gaining souls is literally the point of the game, both gameplay wise and story wise. Sorry that you're too stupid to understand the basic fucking point of a rather simple story.
Can't I just fuck off and be a dragon?
Hey, im a little late for the party, but i want to make my small theory about dark souls 3 lore. Actually, i have 2 theories.
>First and most probable:
It is gonna explain all the giant bullshit from DaS2, possibly set between 1 and 2, showing what was stolen from the giants and maybe the fall of the older empires, like the Old Iron King and Ivory King and Sunken king's empire.
Second, not very probable, but what i imagined as adecent conclusion of the series (implying they will stop in the third)
Over the last 2 games it become very clear the cyclical nature of humans and how people are trying to break free from that. Always dark vs light bullshit. But there was one time it played out differently. Ivory King.
That time, Dark and light formed an alliance to fight the ever growing and unnatural chaos that everyone seen to forgot. They eventually failed, but it was the only wasnt cyclical.
The "Giant Lord" in the trailer, and the 3rd chosen undead both have a "embers glow" inside them, that besides "fire", might also represent chaos.
I wish to see Light and Darkness to stop fighting (breaking the cycle) and defeating the chaos.
that why i said its too videogamey, way to fuck yourself over champ.
doesnt answer my specific question
I dont like this kind of hostility towards simple questions and blank spots in the story. No need to feel superior and acting like this and you wonder why no one gives two fucks about the comminuty and your opinions. Started kinda nice but, now i dont really want to explore these points with you further. thank you, but no, thank you.
>It is gonna explain all the giant bullshit from DaS2, possibly set between 1 and 2,
It might explain the Giant stuff from II, but Miyazaki made it clear that LOTS of people have kindled the flame, LOTS of cycles have passed to get to DSIII.
>Miyazaki wanted levels where there was roaming silver knights and you could sneak your way around
>had to scrap it because deadlines
I wished I could see what Dark Souls could have been if they didn't have time constrains.
its possible that they arent though and that is what the other anon was saying i think.
just because the character uses a model which is human in game, doesnt mean they are actually human.
ciarin is not human because she chastises you for being human if you attack her.
she shouldnt do that if she was also a human.
Souls, are you daft? Plus it's eastern storytelling which gets away with that better than western storytelling. it's less about the literal implication of why something exists and more so that it exists to invoke an emotion.
>Andre isn't undead
Source? Nobody but undead go to Lordran unless they have a specific reason. Even if he isn't, someone will show up and kill him eventually, a Dark Lord is inevitable.
You forgot the main star of the show.
The one and only.
I always assumed Marvelous Chester came from the Bloodborne timeline, but seeing as I haven't played Bloodborne, there might be something in the game that invalidates that theory.
But again, that's an odd thing, feel me? Do you have difficulty watching movies n' reading books n' shit? It's just an odd thing for you to ask "why did Artorias arrive just then and not later." You can apply such a concern to any story ever, follow? Why did Odysseus' wife's mother kill herself then instead of later? etc.
>what reason does the player have to kill stuff anyway
To not go hollow, to fulfill Oscar's request.
>Why not just sit down and forge weapons
To acquire souls.
>Without options you are forced into tropes and there is literally no reason for you to do any of this except for videogame
Ahh well DSII tried to remedy this by making it so as the first flame fades, humans are intrinsically drawn to it.
He might not be from the Bloodborne timeline, but he's definitely a walking reference to bloodborne as a game, since the development of BB started around the time AotA was getting finished.
Is bloodborne 60 FPS? Do we have any confirmation if the console versions of DS3 are going to be 60fps?
I will be fucking mad if from soft let another glitch related to the framerate pass by them
Well with the pendent we don't know. Maybe that was the best Anor Londo could do. Maybe Arty thought the pendent was good enough and overestimated himself. Whatever the reason Oolicile and the Abyss was something Anor Londo was freaking out about. Elizabeth was in total distress and Gough pretty much accepted that the world was doomed. Actually the form of greeting ended up changing after Oolicile. During Dusk's age the form of greeting and salutation was "may the Flames guide thee." But by the time you reach present day the form of greeting and salutation is now "Veror Nox." Which is latin for "Fear the night."
>How is Humanity connected to the Dark and is it important to protect yourself from it
All Humanity stems from a single source: the Dark Soul. The Futive Pygmy is the one responsible for the spread of the Dark Soul. While the other 3 Lords were busy with the Dragons, the Furtive Pygmy silently spread his Dark Soul among the other hollows. These became the first Humans and this is how the Dark Soul spread. So why is it important to protect yourself from it? Well the gods are weakened by Dark. Humanity and the Abyss are a goddamn nightmare to them. The Occult Rebellion was the first indication that Humans are a very serious danger to them. Which is why Oolicile NEEDED to be dealt with.
>So if the gods are the only ones affect by Dark, why should humans care
Because of Manus. Manus was causing the Humanity within the Oolicile residents to go out of control and mutate them into monsters. There is some some contention that Manus may be the Furtive Pygmy himself but overall that is the accepted conclusion. Regardless Manus left unchecked might have destroyed all of Oolicile himself.
>It's fine to be Undead, but keep a level head, eh?
>Don't get yourself killed, neither of us wants to see you go Hollow.
Also, he doesn't disintegrate when killed.
It's not ironclad, I know, but I think those lines suggest that Andre himself is not an undead.
The crossbows item description says "used by Carim snipers"
A bit more than a reference, no?
>why did he fail and why do we succeed?
Because he doesn't get to try over and over again. Did you beat Manus on your first time?
I like how dying and respawing i part of the lore, even if respawing enemies don't make sense.
Should I finally finish Demon's Souls? I never got farther than 2-2 (after doing 1-1, 1-2, and 2-1). and while I'm craving some new Souls stuff, I feel like DeS HD is an inevitability, and it's difficult going back to sub-30fps after doing 60 for the DaS 1 and 2..
I do remember Nito being called god of death and disease. Might not be canon though, I cant recall exactly.
Anyway, assuming that everything before the first flame was everlasting, both dragons and humans and whatnot were immortal. So since Nito, the first of the dead, 'invented' death, all humans before that moment were immortal just like gods. It's not farfetched to think, that even before the first flame, humans with great power existed, perhaps not on par with dragons, but still godly strong. Gwyn's son, the old god of war, might have been incredibly strong, even surpass his father, until they found the first flame. Tactically sacrificing their new powers, they were able to bring down the dragons .
Im even thinking that they werent Hollows, but rather some sort of gods. Since they existed before the flame, and the undeads only started existing after the first fla,e
Yeah, but shit like snekmen aren't undead and still respawn.
Like most everything in dark souls, yeah. That makes me think, is there a NPC character that uses a weapon from a different country than what they're from? Solaire uses an Astora's Straight Sword etc.
I'm just being stubborn in trying to beat 2-2 because it's the second time I got this far. First time I got stuck on Flamefucker and didn't find the shortcut, second time I just got bored going back to stockpile Thomas since there is so much heavy shit to pick up there, and the bugbears take forever to kill and are unfun to "fight." I don't know, I just really don't like 2-2 but I feel like I have to beat it now.
Old king alant is 2-quik-4-me what do i do
Anyone else just kinda disregard Dark Souls 2 lore? It makes everything that happened in 1 seem pointless. And not like "it's a futile kind of pointless" like a "what the fuck was the point" kinda pointless.
His body hollowed after his soul was consumed by the first flame. After Gwyn linked it to extend the age of fire, his body became host to the first flame. Hence the first flame's bonfire doesn't appear until after he's vanquished.
Ring of the Evil Eye
>According to legend, this ring contains the spirit of the evil eye, a dark beast which assaulted Astora.
> The strength of the evil eye does not waver, and HP is absorbed from fallen enemies.
What's the dark beast? A dragon? What's the "spirit" of a being?
Humans were not mistreated, they were surpressed and guided towards the light.
The true form of humanity isn't what you see in dark souls, what you are looking at are humans who have taken in souls of their own and been so ingrained with the idea that souls are life that they no longer even remember the purpose of their humanity.
This keeps them worshiping the lords, keeps them dependent on fire. Then you have Kaathe, who for some reason wants humans to abandon the fire and embrace their suppressed humanity through basically being a huge ass hole and stealing it from other humans. This is likely because the humanity in one place, the closer the dark soul is to being whole.
New Londo is said to be an undead city, seeing as it's underground and called "new" it is likely the first attempt at handling the undead.
Hollow is the default state without a soul. The descendants of the three lords hollow if they lack a soul of light.
Humans, descendents of the furtive pgymy, hollow if they lack humanity, which is a fragment of the dark soul.
fuck man, in all of my time playing demons, I never did flamlurker that early. You're not supposed to play the game in order like that dude, just fukcing explore and shit. Can't do flamelurker, go to another level. world 2 is literally, LITERALLY, the worst area in the entire game. just leave it alone
Souls Games borrow quite a lot from D&D, so it might have been something like a beholder.
>What's the "spirit" of a being?
>we will never have a king of storms type boss again
Dragons don't have souls, and the eye on the ring is clearly a dragons eye
man, I'm really sad you're so stuck on trying to hit up world 2. Do me a favor, completely forget about it. It's really the worst world, everything about it is. Go to latria, or world 5. they can be hit up after world 1 easily. I'm really sad you aren't enjoying the game because of something like this.
So Gwyn and his knights were magically born right then and there? The Hollows had knights?
Anon it's clear a significant period of time before the lords found the lord souls.
How could we be so foolish, dragons have been living amongst us all this time
Demon Soul bosses were cool the first time around, but after you figured them out they became very non-threatening. It would be cool if they could do gimmicks like that again while still preserving the challenge of actually killing them. Tower Knight is kinda good, even when you know you need to hit the ankles, it can still be a bit tough
As far as we know the First Flame just suddenly existed at one point. From there the 4 Lord Souls were discovered, and the 3 powerful Lords divided what they had among the remaining hollows to create the knights, Daughters of Chaos, etc. Anything other than that is 100% speculation, and who's to say that that isn't what happened? Is it so unbelievable that this universe to just begin like that?
>Humans were not mistreated, they were surpressed
Yeah I clarified my thoughts shoulda followed the chain of replies holmes.
>The true form of humanity isn't what you see in dark souls, what you are looking at are humans who have taken in souls of their own and been so ingrained with the idea that souls are life that they no longer even remember the purpose of their humanity.
>This keeps them worshiping the lords, keeps them dependent on fire. Then you have Kaathe, who for some reason wants humans to abandon the fire and embrace their suppressed humanity through basically being a huge ass hole and stealing it from other humans. This is likely because the humanity in one place, the closer the dark soul is to being whole.
>New Londo is said to be an undead city, seeing as it's underground and called "new" it is likely the first attempt at handling the undead.
I remember discussing this with another anon a while ago. What you're talking about is the reason why in the past, the sayings are "<ay the flames guide thee," and "May the Lord guide thee." But in the present it becomes "Vereor Nox," which translates to "respect the light.
>A similar thing is seen in the catacoms with skeleton babies being birthed through primordial cavern stone.
I wonder if that's the significance of the Doors of Pharros.
One of my favorite areas. The idea of these strange enigmatic doors just appearing naturally
Really makes you wonder.
The intro shows each lord going into the kiln, with the exception of Nito which looks like he's coming out of the ground.
No indication that they were hollows. I think the misconception is the idea that everything that's alive had to visit the Kiln as a hollow, when the first flame likely sent souls out at it's very birth.
What do you guys think about the theory that all from games are connected? Even shit like Armored Core because of the few connected names like Tarkus and Patches. How DS2 has car wheels and Heinekens in the garbage piles.
According to the theory I guess a rough timeline would be:
Armored Core, Chromehounds, Metal Wolf Chaos
war leads to decimation of life as we know it and only hollows are left.
Time period where the intro of Demon's Souls and intro of DS1 takes place.
King's Field and Shadow Tower and one-off fantasy title shit happens.
Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 3
i like this for two reasons.
patches being alive through each of the souls games is nothing new to him since he has been around since for answer. he is one of the oldest living beings. all the raven symbolism going on in the armored core games eventually leads to velka worship. since we always worship old things we no longer understand. and ravens were about killing the unjust.
I would like to think BB happens before DaS
with the phrase "Verenor Nox" referring to the night
the evil eye ring referring one of the beasts and that timeline during the ivory king where everything went a little chaotic and everything
In the pit or whatever on your way to fight Meato there are trash piles.
Someone notices a Heineken and tires in the texture. At the time it wasn't considered an easteregg, but a fuck up by B-team.
>not making a quality build on your first playthrough
You deserve it
At what moment did you realize that this game is fucking awesome? Applies to the other games if you played one of them first.
Still waiting for that realization lmao
He actually didn't USE the dark soul for anything, or atleast its nowhere stated he did unlike the other 3. He passed it down for some unknown reason to his descendants. Thinking he somehow used it to create humans, is plain retarded.
Also to turn hollow, you must be undead. And for undead to have meaning, the concept of death must exist. And that happened AFTER nito got his lord soul.
the first time I realized I could hit hollows from behind to perform a violent crit. I restarted tons of times trying new classes since it was hard, and I loved seeing most guys stab with a sword or whatever, then playing as a cleric and watching him just crush fuckers with the mace