>Nintendo may be doing too little, too late, as most major developers seem to have all but forgotten about the Wii U, with many major titles being ignored for the console. Watch Dogs, was the last major triple-A release by Ubisoft on the Wii U for example. With all these daunting prospects, the future of the Wii U especially as a true competitor seem bleak, and is likely to be destined to become the neglected child of the console family.
Is it true /v/? Is the Wii U dead in 2015? How can they even compete?
Just look at what they announced for the system last year. Does that look like Nintendo still had faith in the system?
It's a red ocean device just like the others. It is competing, albeit poorly.
Says who? Last time I checked Nintendo was making lots of money. And Mario Maker sold 2.5 million copies and Splatoon 3.5. Let me remind you they get all the profits from those.
Dumb analogy, although not as dumb as the usual one found here.
One was meant to be a sports car for rich people, the other wasn't. Wii U is competing in a similar price point and trying to attract the same people. The fact people buy modern Nintendo home systems for Nintendo games is just the reality that they have shit for third party support.
>I said the console can't support itself not games.
What? They making money with the Amiibos doesn't mean they only made money with that.
What you say doesn't make sense. People buy Nintendo consoles because they want to play Nintendo games. Third parties have nothing to do with them. You're referring to the rest of gamers.
Wii U has jack shit third party support because it's the only new gen console that's still using the PowerPC architecture. Not only is it harder to port games into Wii U, but they are guaranteed to sell less than on other consoles because the port is always inferior to the PS4/Xbone/PC versions.
NX better be an x86 console or Nintendo is fucked once again. They need to stop fucking over devs and consumers because Nintendo wants to save money by charging a premium for archaic hardware.
I picked a Wii U up last week. What are Some good games to get? So far I've gotten Splatoon, Mario Maker and Mario Kart 8.
Are there any worthwile 3rd party games at all? Also, are there any hidden gems that ere eshop only? Maybe something indie?
The only explanation I can think of is that they're gearing up for NX
They're jumping ship with the Wii U. That's why we didn't get too much towards the end of last year. And the only two games coming out this year worth mentioning are Star Fox and Zelda
x86 CPUs and systems are pricey though (when compared to alternatives like ARM, PowePC, 6502, etc.) and the only inexpensive x86 option is AMD and they're trash. Nobody wants a $599 system.
PS4 uses a cheap customized APU and it blows the fuck out of Wii U's performance and it's easy to port games to compared to PowerPC. The cost between them is negilIble at this point.
The only advantage of using PowerPC in Wii U is that they retain backwards compatability support with Wii games. I don't think it's a good trade off for having shit third party support, weak hardware, and making any future console they make bound by PowerPC or risk losing BC that Nintendo loves so much.
I think it had something to do with meme run using the troll face man, and the creator sent out a DMCA claiming that the creator of meme run didn't have his permission to use it.
I mean, I can't play Gears on my PS4, and I can't play Uncharted on my Xbone. I got the both of them so I can play Sony and Microsoft games. I figured that would be self-explanatory.
Wii U is better at PPC performance but PS4 is much better at multithreaded performance.
At the end of the day, PS4 is a much stronger console than Wii U and costs about the same at this point.
Of course it would be silly! It was also just an example. I don't exactly hate my time enough to jot down a detailed list of every single title I can't play between the two. You know how it is.
>and costs about the same at this point.
What a joke.
The PS4 will cost you a ton because of forced paid online.
Its a much more expensive system, only that the costs are hidden.
>Last time I checked Nintendo was making lots of money.
Thanks to Amiibos and the 3DS.
Without seen hard data on the revenue and profits on the WiiU, just a couple of million seller games don't say a lot.
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR. NINTENDO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS SAVING THE INDUSTRY AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLETELY FUCKED BY TWO OF THE WORST COMPANIES EVER.
Uhh... No one's forcing you to get PS+. I've been doing fine without it for years.
The only thing that makes the PS4 more expensive is the fact that you actually have games to buy for it.
No one is forcing you to pay to play online on PS4. If you don't think it's worth it then by all means don't pay for it. $40 a year is about the same price I pay for a 3DS game.
Good maybe they'll learn from their mistakes this ti.....
>Ever learning from their mistakes
>No one's forcing you to get PS+
nobody was forcing that on PS3 or Vita.
PS4 online paywall is basically - "Oh you want to play that game you bought online? WELL TOO BAD MOTHERFUCKER, PAY UP 5$ A MONTH FOR OUR SUPER STABLE AND EXPENSIVE SERVERS"
>no one is forcing you to pay , just dont use online with your console in 2016
Sony bred a really disgusting kind of fanboy. Not even xbox fanboys went that far.
They're hardly completely fucked. They had enough money sitting in their bank account to endure quite a number of years of losses and they've survived flops before as well.
Doubtless the weakness of the WiiU is what's pushing them to get a new console out soon but by the time the NX is launched it'll have been about 5 or 6 years since the WiiU launch, which is actually what was considered standard for a console generation life.
and Nintendo bred a really disgusting fanboys that support region locking, underpowered hardware for an expensive price, no crossgame voice chat, and forcing gimmicks upon people.
Well, it still is because people are still buying it and a lot of people are still interested at buying it. Hell, it's selling pretty well in Japan.
In all seriousness if you would ask any sane knowledgeable person if what console is the best to get in the present, they would say a Wii U.
The Wii U literally has the best games this gen has offered so far. And most of it is GOTY material, I mean last year alone game of a ton of GOTY tier games from the Wii U. And it has offered a lot of games in the past years that were really good.
And it isn't over. The Wii U still has a lot going for it. Good games will continue to go to it for 3 years at most before NX.
In my honest opinion, only a ill informed faggot would choose a PS4 or a Xbone over a Wii U at this point in time. You are literally buying a console for games that aren't even out yet. Sure, the PS4 would overtake the Wii U's value games wise at some point in time, but that time is not now.
It is really fucking disgusting.
I did go for the PS3 because of free online.
Now Sony decided to go full Microsoft and shit on consumers and people actually defend them for it.
>Afaik the WiiU CPU is much better than the PS4 CPU
You're completely wrong, if you were only using 2 threads on Wii U and 2 threads on PS4 they would be similar in performance but the PS4 allows developers to use 7 cores. The Wii U CPU is still based on the same architecture used by the Gamecube, now it's just running at like 1.3GHz.
The next time they can announce games is e3 and only a few selected e3 titles release in 5 months after reveal(as it would be a PR nightmare).
He is very likely not that much off with those 3 games, maybe they will shit out some shovelware that they dont expect to sell or be well received but that will be about it.
Sales wise, hell naw
Title wise its got Zelda, Star Fox and Kowashitai for this year afaik
I hope the next console doesnt have a gimmick that is half of the production cost of the console, but this is Nintendo, so yeah...
>We're still in the rumor stage regarding the NX. Long ways away from any kind of release.
Fucking kek. Delusional. The NX will be shown off this year and MAY even release this winter.
Fine, you're being a fanboy cunt for defending making a system that was previously free a paid-for service by saying "but you don't have to use it".
You can fuck right off with that apologist attitude, online is an integral part of most games these days.
Fucking kek just got here. How fast did they deflect to sony this time?
I think you have me confused with someone. I didn't defend it at all. I DID say it was option, but I hardly see that as being a fanboy. That's just how it is, just stating a fact. The same could be said for anything. I wouldn't be an Xbox fanboy if I said Live was optional.
Again, as stated above. I'm just calling it like I see it. You don't have to pay for online, and that's that. If it means that much to you, and quite frankly, I don't blame you, you have more than one alternative.
Literally the only third party people buy on Nintendo these days is Monster Hunter.
Nintendo games have been garbage since the Wii era, so I hope people seriously don't buy Nintendo consoles for them exclusively.
Calling access to online for any system in 2016 optional is absolute bullshit and exactly what a fanboy cunt like you would say.
Now do you have anything else do add or will you continue sucking off Sony and MS?
In that case the Wii U should cost $30.
"People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games." I keep hearing that. While true, it didn't used to be. Historically, such an environment cannot survive, either.
People eventually stopped buying SEGA consoles for anything but SEGA & Capcom games. Result? SEGA drops out of console business. People bought Neo-Geo for SNK games. Result? SNK eventually nearly goes out of the video game business entirely.
Unless Nintendo decides to price themselves like a Prius vs a Ferrari, they cannot survive without compelling products. While their own games tend to be good, their not enough to keep the console business model afloat.
Not without 3rd party games & software, which most companies aren't willing to give. Too many of them remember the bullshit Nintendo pulled against them over the decades.
Nintendo consoles get anounced at least one year before release. And the names/concept two years before (N64, Gamecube, DS, Wii, 3DS, Wii U had these cases)
The NX, handled or not is going to release 2017, and if its nt Wii U succesor, then the next console is coming in 2018.
Shouldn´t you be in school anyways?
As I said, online is made such an integral part of most games these days that not wanting to pay for online access really means you're getting a gutted experience.
Again: it was free on Playstation last gen and still is and on WiiU, 3DS PSVita and PC, all these online gaming options are still subscription-free (with the exception of a few PC MMOs, but even then most MMOs these days are trying to use F2P models).
It's delusional to try and act like online access is still "just an optional extra".
>Consoles not so much
>Make a dual handheld/console hybrid with a shared library
Fixed Nintendos problem. Sony basically stated they wont make another handheld so Nintendo have zero competetion in the dedicated handheld videogame system market.
Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. It's time for Nintendo to abandon gimmicks and abandon the casuals and make another real console with real 3rd party support that isn't wigger/normalfag shit.
>implying Zelda isn't going to be an NX game, or at the very least an NX/Wii U cross platform release with the NX version being the definitive version thanks to the NX's (hopefully) superior hardware.
Come on, step it up senpai.
It's 20-fucking-16 people, does anyone out there seriously believe that Zelda isn't going to be an NX launch title? Because you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
No matter how salty Nintendo fans are in this thread, they can't deny that PS4 is outselling Wii U and is getting all the third party support from developers.
Imagine how much better PS4 is going to sell once it finally DOES get games. I mean, didn't PS4 just outsell Wii U's LTD sales this holiday season? and that's with NO FUCKING GAMES either.
Smash bros didn't sell the WiiU, Mario kart didn't sell the WiiU, and Zelda sure as heck isn't going to bring a dead console to life that's already been buried by competition. Zelda isn't popular anymore enough to carry a console on its own like it used to, especially if its another gimmick Zelda like skyward shit was. Son I love Nintendo, I've been playing their shit since before most of this board was born, but srsly..stop living in delusion. The console failed.
Honestly, online isn't THAT core of a feature. The only recently example I can think of is Battlefront, and the only upcoming example I can think of is Overwatch. Most other games treat their online as an addition. Why else would online passes only cost $10? Because it's only a small part of the overall experience!
I'm just wondering why it bothers you so much. It probably doesn't even affect you that much one way or the other. But if I must continue to suck Sony and MS off, let me tell you more. The PS4 and Xbone use controllers, they play Blu-Ray discs
after downloading the proper application, and they run on electricity! Just more fanboying for ya!
I'd argue the integrity of online. I personally have been fine playing my Batmans and Metal Gears and Bloodbornes offline, but that's just me. Like I said, alternatives. Plenty of people oughta know by now what they're getting into, and if playing online is important to them, they'll think twice before getting a PS4 or Xbone. Wouldn't you?
If that's the case, why did they push all their b-team garbage onto their system last year instead of full fledged games? Do you honestly think they're gonna support the console like that for another whole year?
>Nintendo for Nintendo exclusives and Nintendo games
>Playstation for 3rd party/or a PC
Its been like this since the fucking N64 dude.
You should be owning either Nintendos console+Sonys console or Nintendos console+PC. Otherwise you are a massive fanboy faggot.
I'm far from salty even being a Nintendo fan, I'm glad they failed this generation. It's the wakeup call they needed to stop pandering to the worst casuals and to be good again like they're capable of. If they dont,I'll abandon them even as a long time Nintendo fan. I'm done with current Nintendo.
But what about the Vita? :(
>It will replace the 3ds
>It will replace the console that actually sold and still sells and not the one they already said it is a failure
Grade A logic.
Meanwhile in reality:
>Honestly, online isn't THAT core of a feature
say that for those who play fighting games for example. Or racing games.
If you don't have anyone to play locally - you are screwed.
It is not "small" part of experience, it's one of the essential part for quite a few genres.
Not to mention constant popups and such shit.
>getting into singleplayer arcade or training in DoA5
>insta pop up that you can't search for opponent cause no PS+
devs can even paywall local multiplayer via PS+ like with shitty garden warfare - still an example
so no - there is NO ANY FUCKING excuse for PS+ online paywall. It's not an option, it's forced milking of your audience.
>playing FPS/TPS on consoles
>He bought a Nintendo console over a Sony console
For what purpose?
The 3DS is nearly 5 years old at this point and it was underpowered and hindered by gimmicks even when it first came out. It is well within the realm of reason that they'd reveal a successor to it this year, especially since they can be fairly certain that it'll sell well as they actually have dominance in the handheld market.
I have SFC, N64, GC, Wii, Wii U, GBA, DS, 3DS
as well as PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP, PS Vita
fight me, faggot.
I own a Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One.
most games I own for Wii U (around 9 or 10)
compared to PS4 + One (one each)
3rd party developers like Ubsisoft/EA/Bethesda are just making trash not worth buying.
My desire for 3rd party yearly franchises is completely diminished, could be just me tho
Sony hasn't been good in my eyes since PS2, and even then that was stretching it by the middle of the PS2's lifespan when it was obvious they wanted to abandon the PS1 style quality they had consistently on their platform for moeshit that was emerging, wiggers that were coming into gaming, and other faggot degenerate normalfags that influenced gaming with their shittaste in movie games and QTE garbage resulting in what we have today.
Sony's consoles used to be a plethora of quality, now you gotta sort through a fucking garbage heap of niche crowd pandering and non localized games to find good titles.
Disney infinity on wii u is definetly bad. Worst version of the game every single iteration.
The same goes for SART, while not being total garbage, the wii u version is bad compared to the others.
>most games I own for Wii U (around 9 or 10)
let me guess you own:
Mario Kart 8
Super Mario Maker
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Wind Waker HD
shittycollection of games Wii U has.
I still say it's an option because... yeah, that's the gist of it. You don't have to have it if you don't want it, and by this point, everyone should know by now what to expect, and if not, that's what they get for not doing research. If you fancy yourself a rabid online player, you really should invest in the gaming platform that fits you. So yeah. It's optional.
But for whatever reason, you seem to get the impression that I think it's acceptable. I don't even believe in the Xbone's online fee, never mind PS4 when it use to be free. It's as anti-consumer as it gets.
Still, it's optional.
I don't get it. Arkham Origins had terrible multiplayer, so I'm not gonna continue, MGSV has microtransactions up the ass online, so I won't even give it the time of day, and I had my fill of Bloodborne after my first playthrough. What's to deny?
I just copied the first link.
Still dosent change the fact that süike literally says NX is a stationary console.
Not when the other console they has these problems but way worse and on top of it 0 3rd party support and need for high bugdet games that are unlikely to make as much money.
DS was a completely different situation as wii was still going relatively good and the DS still had a long life cycle.
Its called the media m8.
They rarely reveal more than 1 game per direct.
As a matter of fact the only time they ever revealed a big wii u game during a direct was in a direct was in 2013 when they showed XCX in their damage control direct.
Yes e3 is still the place they reveal their games.
Wii U was already dead.
>Worse CPU specs than Xbox 360
>Same PowerPC architecture as Gamecube
>Controller gimmick costs half of the consoles price
>Outdated online infrastructure (which is a given since it's FREE)
>It only sold because it was a DVD player
Is this what they call nintendulsion?
nintendo release a fuck tons of game though, unlike the competition that announce shit that will not be out in the next 2 years, nintendo usually has a 6 month.1year limit. Compared to other brands they are geting lots of shit. You can point a Sony who is more or less the worst offender or running announcements for years and years, but Microsoft and PC are the same.
And a video game console. If people wanted just a DVD player, they'd buy just a DVD player. The big draw was that it was a DVD player AND a games machine. That's why it was so successful.
yeah, you gave a vibe that you think it's sorta acceptable.
Nevermind then, my brain is fried for work and I gotta get off PC.
have a nice day/night/whatever, anon.
>Do you really think PS2 sold cause it was good console? It sold cause it was DVD player.
NINTENDO FAGS ARE THIS FUCKING DELUSIONAL
Nevermind that PS2 had SSX, Metal Gear, Monster Hunter, Devil May Cry, GTA, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, etc.
List of noteworthy wii u games announced during a direct in its 4 years of life
Yeah thats it. If you expect them to reveal something big in a direct you either think nintendo is retarded for passing on free PR or you are delusional. They even straight out said directs are not mini e3s and were neither meant to be and the direct where they announced XCX was a exception.
3DS "horrible" first year was literally media click bait and shitposting.
It was being compared directly to the 2nd best selling system of all time. It couldnt even compete. Its first "disaterous" year sold more than Vitas first and second years.
I suppose the difference is that Nintendo announces a game and then you don't hear about it for a long time as opposed to the rest who announce a game and keep telling you that they are working on a game.
DVD players were like $400+ at the time. PS2 was the cheapest option for a dvd player AND its could play Grand Theft Auto. You are insane if you think it didnt sell because it could play DVDs
>The PS2's built-in functionality also expanded its audience beyond the gamer, as its debut pricing was the same or less than a standalone DVD player. This made the console a low cost entry into the home theater market.
>One of the biggest issues, was that the Playstation 2, beyond being a follow up to the insanely popular original PlayStation, was an affordable DVD player in a market where stand-alone players were still just too expensive for most people.
And the Wii sold for all its casual shit.
The Wii U sold like shit because of its name and severe lack of marketing. It has nothing to do with the video games or functionality at all, and you're delusional to think it is.
Why do these Wii U threads always end up being sony threads?
I dont think so Timmy.
Yeah man but the point is people who wanted a dvds player asked themselves "Do I want this dvd player or this dvd player that can also play games?"
And they bought a ps2. Even people with zero interest in ever playing videogames bought PS2.
that happens too, but pretty rarely
Bayo 2 is really some special case which makes salt flow, usually from people who picked up Bayo 1 from bargain bin and claiming to be fans.
>Bayo 2 is really some special case which makes salt flow
This is because people who played Bayo 1 on PS3/Xbox 360 enjoyed it more that all the Xbox One and PS4 games they have, and now it hurts that Bayo 2 is gone. It proves how shitty PS4/Xbone games are.
People don't really buy Nintendo games for the next AAA shooter Nintendo's target audience is children or people with deep pockets who grew up with NES. The later group they didn't cater to enough last gen so they lost sales this gen.
Wii U is a huge fuck up in both console design and marketing. The name Wii U is mostly confused as a Wii accessory from what I've seen in multiple retail stores in my area. In addition, the console is barely more powerful than a Xbox 360 yet it costs just as much as a PS4. Like what >>323553274 >>323554070 said, Wii U being a PowerPC console really fucked over Nintendo's chances of ever getting solid third party support. What incentives do third party developers have to develop for a console that's not only weaker than the competition, harder to port stuff over to, and will guarantee that software sells for their title won't be as high as the competition?
Honestly, Nintendo should just drop out of the console market. Their biggest sellers are always on handheld. Gameboy, DS, and now 3DS are making Nintendo a lot more money than their consoles did. The Wii was a special case since it was released at at time when casual gaming was really taking off before smartphones and tablets started becoming a common household item.
Wii U is dead at this point. All Nintendo can really do is pander hard to those that actually own Wii U's and squeeze a few more console sales out through either a big price cut or just continually reminding everyone they can play Splatoon and Sm4sh on their plastic box
Honestly I own every console
EVERY CONSOLE EVER
What all of the little sonyggers and microdicks don't seem to realize is that Nintendo games have and always will have the most replayability
Out of XBO PS4 and WiiU my WiiU gets played constantly
The PS4 has only a handfull of good games
The XBO is the same way
Honestly I will probably sell both of them when the NX comes out
>Its still relevant though. People who buy Nintendo games can't support a console.
Have you ever actually seen the attach rates for the current gen?
Most people who own Wii Us buy something like 10-12 games
While PS4 and Xbone owners average out at around 2-3
Nintendo is making a lot of money on software sales, and unlike M$ and Sony who rely on multiplats, Nintendo sees all of the profit because most of those games that sell are either made or published directly by Nintendo themselves.
People forget that there was a price war between blu ray and the now defunct HD-DVD. That's why Blu ray prices fell. So average Joe sixpack wasn't going to buy a $600 blu ray player like he was willing to buy a $299 DVD player. Sony went ooops.
According to VGcharts
Wii U Consoles sold: 12.41 Million
Wii U Games sold: 70.55 Million
5 per console
PS4 Consoles sold: 35.33 Million
PS4 Games sold: 202.24 Million
5 per console
Xbone Consoles sold: 19.16 Million
Xbone Games sold: 109.47 Million
5 per console
But then again, VGCharts goes by the number of games shipped by the publishers, not number of games bought by consumers, so who knows how many games people have actually bought.
The Wii U is the Ferrari in this case, though. It's the one aimed at a specific target, unlike the Dudebro 4. It's just a Ferrari with a shitty engine.
Sega and SNK had a whole lot of lots of different problems, you're comparing apples and oranges.
Nintendo's model is enough for them to survive, but of course they need to broad their target as a business. The NX looks promising so far, they only need to make it powerful enough.
Only 3 years and they already announced the successor and the final year has nothing to show for it. Hell considering ALL genres the console only has a handful of must owns so you're SOL if you don't like a particular type of game while the other consoles have at least a 3rd party game to fill that gap.
Hell I would feel ripped off if I didn't buy this thing with mk8 (basic) for 180 bucks and 5.5.0 exploit coming soon.
I totally agree with you, namefag.
The PS4 selling this well is one of the biggest head scratchers in vidya history.
The Wii U has the games but is not selling well.
The PS4 has nogaems but is selling well.
I've told myself that this is the year that I clear out my backlog. This will involve convincing myself to jump back into Bravely Default shortly after I finished the first loop, as well as finding a fine balance for doing/ignoring Xenoblade's side quests.
Majority of people playing games want something to play new multiplats on and majority also prefer consoles because they find PC too intimidating. And that leaves us with two options: PS4 and Xbox One.
Is it really so hard to compherend why PS4 is doing so well in this situation?
We all know the Wii U sold like shit. How many times can these sites run the exact same article about it? It's a smug anime girl and outdated PS4 exclusives list away from being /v/ shitpost tier at this point.
Because Nintendo released a console with no games too soon for consumers to care and Microsoft fucked themselves with the always online/no used games crap
Sony didn't win by being good, they were just the only option that appeared normal
Do you guys really think children's games sell consoles? That has never happened. The Wii was family and party oriented. The only reason Mario Kart sold 30 million is because children wanted something for themselves. You are incredibly delusional if you think Mario, Kirby or legoshit are system sellers.
get back to where ever the fuck you came from
Pokemon is a system seller.
Zelda isn't anymore since the N64. Didn't sell the GameCube. PH and Spirit Tracks didn't sell the DS. And no one cares for TP and SS.
Mario is not. Nobody bought a GameCube, Wii or Wii U for Sunshine, Galaxy and 3D land. Smash is popular among Nintendo fans, that's it. Still doesn't appeal to normals.
Nintendo are hell-bent on acquiring the casual market at this point, but they don't even know what the market is anymore. No one buys their shitty gimmick consoles after the Wii hype died down, and even if they did it wouldn't matter because no one wants to develop anything for that brick. Did Nintendo seriously expect for third party developers to just show up on their doorstep and beg to make shitty kid games for their console? Supercasuals don't care about the Wii U because they're the sort of people who don't care about games beyond shitty mobile apps which they mindlessly use to fill the few minutes of their days they have "free".
Casuals who care a little more about games will rather stick to Xbone and PS4, and only because they're perceived as having a more mature library (lol) and because Microsoft and Sony have a good reputation about "gamers" (casuals who play games a bit more).
Nintendo now is focusing on their "NX" console which is a desperate attempt to recapture the Wii's success with the supercasual market by bringing their games to mobile. The DS, which is the last pillar of Nintendo, is ironically the most hardcore console they have. Now they're bringing their hunger for the supercasual market to the DS, a system that was and still is doing fine.
Needless to say, Nintendo are retarded and fucked.
Can't a console live even with small audience/moderate success? The gamecube was never a huge success, the same goes for the N64 and still Nintendo got interesting profits from these two console. The Wii U not competing with the other console is not that bad, it has its own identity at least. I couldn't say the same for the PS4/XBONE.
The industry seems big enough to keep the third biggest manufacturer alive with moderate sales. What's wrong with that?
Some people go to the theatre to see blockbusters, others go for animated family films.
This is the anology you're looking for.
Do you have a source stating that that the Gamecube was profitable? I know that they made a lot of profit profit that generation but that could have just been thanks to the GBA an DS.
Different sources stated a fall in term of profits, but there were no real loss. It got 13% of the market against the 60% of the PS2. And had a total of 22M console sold. The R&D in the development of the gamecube (stronger than the rest of its opponents) was reused in the Wii, which made it easier to release.
The first real loss in years for Nintendo was after the release of the Wii U
Allow me to summarize this thread
Nintendo fans enjoy Nintendo games and will happily buy a new console to play them since its the only possible way to do that aside from waiting for 10 years for the console and its library to be properly emulatable
Meanwhile, the kind of people that buy Xbone or PS4 buy them to play things like CoD, Fifa, and other major AAA titles and sports games like Madden or Asscreed.
And PC users recognize that playing multiplats on consoles is silly and would rather play the best version of these multiplats, which to them is worth missing out on the 2-3 exclusives for each console that they may have wanted to play.
Wii U isn't selling very well because Nintendo didn't market it at all, and the name was a bad choice because it made it sound like a Wii addon
PS4 is selling very well because the average joe doesn't know shit about technology and thinks computers are magic and only super nerd geniuses know the secrets of how to assemble them, so they'll gladly pay for a console just so they have access to the 2-3 sports or CoD games that they'll play during the consoles lifespan.
Essentially, normies have invaded and have oversaturated the market to the point where it seems as though any game that doesn't sell a billion copies flopped, Nintendo is doing fine with its dedicated fan base, and Sony lucked out with the Xbone shooting itself in the face pre-launch, which caused a large majority of Xbox users to switch over to playstation.
What a load of shit. Can nintendo fanboys stop clinging to PC in these attempts to feel better about yourselves for being shit eating consolefags? You are no better playing the latest mario than the average dudebro playing the latest call of duty.
>You are no better playing the latest mario than the average dudebro playing the latest call of duty.
But I buy Nintendo consoles for
Local Multiplayer and a decent selection of games that aren't walking simulators/FPS, I also have a PC with a 970 though and play games just as often with my friends online.
The Nintendo+PC thing isn't just some meme, its a common thing for two main reasons
1: Its redundant as fuck to have a good PC and a PS4/Xbone since all three platforms essentially share the same major releases
2: Most Nintendo fans are 20-30 years old, and actually have jobs and can afford to build a PC rather than asking their parents for a new console for christmas.
I was a full idort last gen, and usually was. But this gen (so far anyway), I personally don't see the point in spending hundreds of dollars for the option to play crappy versions of multiplat games that I could play on my computer with a better controller, I also don't want to pay to play on my own internet either.
This picture seems to be pretty old too, I just built a new rig and a bunch of things things were much, much cheaper, and thats in CDN too
Consoles and console exclusives are cancer. You are supporting that cancer. You're not better than any other consolefag.
If you don't mind playing games at low resolutions and shitty framerates then why are you blaming other console owners for not caring?
>If you don't mind playing games at low resolutions and shitty framerates then why are you blaming other console owners for not caring?
Because I can't play Nintendo games on PC.
If I could I would, but I can't, so I buy their console.
I can, however, play 99% of the Xbone and PS4 library on PC, and it just seems silly to choose a PS4 over a PC, even if its only a $400 build.
You're not counting display, keyboard, mouse, audio (headphones, speakers, mic/cam if you're an attentionwhore, interface if you're an audiophile), PSU, etc.
>exclusives are cancer
>being a "PC master race" redditard
And that's why you're going to pirate Dragon's Dogma next week, right faggot?
2/10 made me reply. At least you aren't as bad as this baiting faggot >>323562831
So are you saying consoles are good as long as their games aren't on PC? And that's your reason for supporting a console?
Nintendo supporters are obviously the biggest cancer in this industry.
>Consoles and console exclusives are cancer.
They are actually why you have a sort of competition. Remove those and you'll get devs having no real incentive to create a game worth buying hardware. Bloodborne could be done thanks to the money that Sony put into it. And there's not two mainline mario really identical besides galaxy 1/2 and NSMB because Nintendo had to prove that their system was worth the buy.
Why would Nintendo actually invest in their games if the mascot is enough to sell your games. Ask yourself why there has been 2 good Sonic games in 10 years. Games just on pc are far behind consoles in term of sales because the market is much more divided.
Does your PS4 come with a TV?
Either way, its not hard to get a decent sized 1080p monitor on craigslist for like $20
Keyboards and mice are also dirt cheap.
IIRC the PSU is built into that case.
But that build is 18 months old, so all of those parts are now considerably cheaper giving you plenty of elbow room for shit that you and I both know you already own and don't need to purchase again.
>You're not counting display, keyboard, mouse, audio (headphones, speakers, mic/cam if you're an attentionwhore, interface if you're an audiophile), PSU, etc.
If we're including stupid shit like webcams and soundcards, I'll get us a revised price for the PS4. That way we can properly build a PC to match the real cost of the console.
PS4 500GB Star Wars Battlefront Bundle (includes 1 DualShock 4) - $595.00
DualShock 4 - $60.99
DualShock 4 - $60.99
DualShock 4 - $60.99
Playstation 4 Dust Cover by Foamy Lizard ® TexoShield - 34.99
PS4 Official Sony Vertical Stand - $24.99
VersionTech 3.5mm Pro Stereo Gaming Headset for PS4 - $38.99
HDE Wireless Bluetooth Online Chat Keyboard for DualShock 4 - $16.45
Thrustmaster T80 Racing Wheel - $119.99
Official PS4 Universal Media Remote - $39.99
12 month subscription to PS plus - $47.99
Nyko Playstation 4 Data Bank - $45.44
Dual USB Charging Dock Station for Sony PS4 Controllers - $7.43
VIZIO E32-C1 32-Inch 1080p Smart LED HDTV - $329.99
TOTAL PRICE FOR A NEW PS4: $ 1,484.06
That's exactly the case. Consoles are good as long as they have exclusives to induce competition. If you have no big game pushing you into buying console A you'll buy console B. But if Console A and console B have both good games, there's a competition, and each manufacturer want bigger games to increase their share of the market. If each game is available on a single device, there's no real reason to not make candy Crush Saga 3 if 1 and 2 had the same success or Cowaduty/Asscred.
>Once you start naming used parts
You mean a Keyboard, Mouse and Screen?
Those aren't computer parts you melon, those are accessories. And we both know you already have all three of those things.
Consoles are never good. They are locked and limited PCs, a PC can do anything a console does and better. I can't believe there are still people on /v/ who defend the existence of consoles.
Dude, its not as if none of us don't agree that it would be nice if every game ever just came out on PC and consoles weren't a thing.
But Nintendo makes good games that I want to play, and I can only play them on their consoles or handhelds. I'm quite happy buying these things too, because the one thing that the PC isn't very good at is hosting local vidya sessions with friends.
My Wii U is mainly for local multiplayer with buddies, while the 3DS is for road trips and shit.
I can't use my PC in those situations.
From a normal person's perspective it's always cheaper to buy a console. Normal people have TVs already, not monitors or any of that shit.
And nobody wants to use a PC on their TV. It's even more cumbersome.
Excepting computers do not exist in a limited number. There are an infinity of configuration which don't make it obvious if a game will work on them and for how long you can keep your computer without changing the graphic chip. There's no plug and play philosophy in the PC, and PC are mostly interesting for there own exclusives, and not really for "better" visual aspect of multiplats. For Multiplats only, it is better, but that's not the main advantage of a computer, especially nowadays when Multiplats tend to be rehashed shits.
Yeah, but normal people are 50% retarded and 50% total faggots that don't know shit about anything.
Why would you defend your console of choice with "yeah, but uninformed, uneducated average consumers like soccer moms and children prefer it because its a little easier and for some reason they have never owned a PC before in their lives and don't have a monitor or Keyboard in their home."
>There are an infinity of configuration which don't make it obvious if a game will work on them and for how long you can keep your computer without changing the graphic chip. There's no plug and play philosophy in the PC
What the fuck do you think shit like DirectX is for?
There is absolutely a strong philosophy of decoupling software from hardware on PC. It supposed to be the graphics card manufacturers that worry about how to implement with the drivers, not so much the game developers.
To be honest Nintendo's method is the only actually successful method for a console holder. Whenever people tell them to compete directly with Sony/MS it's basically telling them to create a near-unsustainable business that can only run with the help of a massive corporate structure.
Nintendo have a better chance of real success their own way even with the WiiU. As opposed to fake "lol xx million systems sold" that pretends userbase = profits.
>Nothing is competing with Wii U. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.
This is true but the worse thing to ever happen to Nintendo is 3rd party's increase awareness of it in the last 5 years.
Say it all you want, but a successful consoles needs 3rd party support in the equation.
Where does the concept of low config, mid configs and high end pc stem from then? You are sure that Bloodborne will work as smoothly (30 fps granted) on two different PS4. Now try to play the witcher 3 on a pc built 2 years ago and one built let's say today with the same budget. The difference will be obvious. DirectX is just a tool to set up your machine, it doesn't erase the gaps between configurations.
So you'd rather Bloodlborne at 30fps forever than Bloodborne at 30fps today and 60fps tomorrow because you purchased more powerful hardware?
The fact that you can run games on such disparate hardware configurations is indicative of a plug and play architecture on PC, not evidence against it.
>DirectX is just a tool to set up your machine, it doesn't erase the gaps between configurations.
Actually, it sort of does. DirectX provides developers many features enabling the runtime scaling up or down of the hardware requirements in their game.