Dawn of War 3 when? What do you want to see? Does base building

>>323542524
I just want DoW 1 with updates graphics, Tyranids, and a solid solo campaign

>>323542629
Tyranids could be cool. My favourite thing is holding a line with Guardsmen and Tyranids would make for some cool scenarios.

>>323542629
This desu. DoW2 was not the direction they should have taken it.

>>323542854
I liked the idea of making space-marines feel like an elite-strike force rather than another army with an elite-infantry gimmick but overall DoW2 wasn't as cool.

Dawn of War 1 only bigger, prettier and with more stuff would probably be ideal for a new game.

Dawn of War 3: Horus Heresy.

The ultimate prequel, although they'll never fit it all into one game (32 books), they could pick out some key battles/campaigns from them.

I'd prefer if they went for the DoW1 base building as that's what got me hooked on the game in the first place. Oh and bring back the old british guy who did the voice acting for the IG commander, he was so fucking good.

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Guardsmen are so cool. They're so much more fun to play than the other factions for some reason.

DoW 2 tried to be CoH and I didn't enjoy it as much as DoW 1
It'd be cool if they tried to copy MoW instead

>>323543227
>MoW
That WW1 game in the MoW style makes me think that it could work. It works well with small, in depth tactics and human waves at the same time. A Tyranid/Guard player could attack move 100 units at a time while a marine player micromanaging 5 could beat them if done right. That would be cool.

>>323543461
>WW1 game on MoW engine
I remember seeing that, but I never really looked into it.
Was it any good?

>>323543461
>100 units at a time
That was always a problem I had with MoW, since you can only select one squad a time. I want to be able to order a mass charge.

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>>323543668
Never actually played it myself, but it looked decent. It's not my thing but it looked like it did WW1 fairly well.

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This thread must live and prosper.

What is best faction and why is it Imperial Guard?

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>>323543967

>tfw they kept lowering the number of Leman Russ's you could have with every expansion.

>>323543967
Heavy weapons with auto canons are hidden Op, those things had ridiculous range in Dark Crusade and Soulstorm.

why do you niggers always have to make great threads like this right when i'm about to go to work? ;_;

>>323542524
No base building focus on sp campaign like in DoW 2. We have enough star craft clones.

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>>323544560
It's 10:20 in Australia.

>>323544401
>>323544513
Leman Russ to soak up damage backed up by heavy weapons and a pile of miscellaneous Guard arsenal is my favourite thing in Dawn of War. Hitting the Leman Russ cap and having to send out Hellhounds is gay though.

Units that don't get stuck on each other all the fucking time would be great, I swear trying to meaningfully control a maxed out army without having to individually micro every unit was like pulling teeth.

>>323544956
git good

>>323544513
>>323544719
Enjoy your double raptor&CL 8 minute game imperial scum.

>>323543118
The Heresy is boring as shit. It's all about Gods among mortals acting like petulant children and pants on head retards as the plot demands.

>>323545504
>>323545504
Are any of the 40k novels good enough to be worth a look from somebody who's not a die-hard 40k fan?

I've been playing the Ultimate Apocalypse mod for DoW 1, but now I am looking for other good mods to try out. How does Titanium wars compare? Any other mods out there that I should check out?

>>323545830
The first 2 heresy books and Eisenhorn

>>323545830
The Ciaphas Cain novels are basically Flashman novels with a new skin. Eisenhorn is approachable for people who aren't big into 40k.

RTS is dead, it will never come and if it does itll be trash like DoW2

>>323545504

>boring as shit

Have you read the books? With exception to a few additions they're anything but boring. If the writing style isn't your preference then that's fine but it's almost non-stop action.

>gods among mortals

Primarchs weren't even close to gods, maybe they could match an avatar or demon prince but they were essentially just bigger, stronger and smarter space marines with some having psyke powers. The Emperor was basically a God but he's not in the series very much until the end.

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>>323544719
>playing that closer to codex mod or whatever it was called
>spend 5 minutes wondering what flavour of Leman to send out before deciding on ALL OF THEM

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>>323546303
>emperor was a god
heresy

>>323545930

>doesn't include "The First Heretic"

get outta here

>>323546518

Well maybe not a god, but he had enough power to keep the Chaos Gods at bay for the longest time.

>>323546518
But he always was a God, just not to the level that he is currently as a rotting corpse.

>>323546303
>Have you read the books?
Yes.

>Primarchs weren't even close to gods
Your'e being too literal.

>>323542524
>What do you want to see?
Wargame scale of map, large modding support, more CoH2/Men at Arms elements.

>>323543165
No they are not anthony

>>323542524
I'd like to see the game if anything. Doesn't seem likely at this point since CoH has done way better than DoW, and Sega can just pump out expansions and DLC for all eternity. DoW 3 will probably be riddled with DLC as well so there's that downside to look forward too.

>>323547920
>sega
I actually forgot about them, now my hype is dead.

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>>323547615
Guardsmen are the best. Their plight is so compelling. They're so awful but they can still come out on top.

>>323548710
Shame necrons are just straight up bullshit and massacre them without any mercy.

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>>323548924
They don't have to prevail over them, just die slowly enough to allow my techpriests to get a Mars Pattern Command completed.

Are there any mods for DoW1 which introduce a single player campaign?

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>>323549235
>>323549321
Are these the Ultimate Apocalypse mod?

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>>323549506
Yeah

>>323549679
looks cool. What are the major differences? From what I've seen there seem to be lots of variations on existing units to allow for more tailored armies. Any major game changers?

>>323549282
Say that to Dark Crusade and that bloody assasin block.

Lord always telleports to you and blinds everyone, everyone overlooks how OP that shit is when compared to mass resurection.

>>323549842
My first Dawn of War was Dark Crusade and my first big skirmish was against the Necrons with no relics for a Baneblade. The Necron Lord's constant blinds were so powerful and I had no idea what the hell was going on. I was holding on for survival and learning the game at the same time and won after nearly 2 hours of holding out against the Necrons. It was awesome.

>>323549795
Hm. Three new races - Tyranids, Inquisition Daemon Hunters, and Chaos Daemons. 2-3 extra tech tiers and at least 2-4 times the unit types for each race. There's a lot to talk about, but you like IG, yeah? They can airdrop baneblades, which now have a dozen variants, have dropships, can build emplaced basilisk turrets. It also has a lot of modifiers in the lobby, so you can disable aircraft or titans or certain tiers if you don't like those.

>>323550239
Shit, that sounds pretty impressive. Does every faction get that much new stuff? Is the mod the main thing keeping Soul Storm alive?

Once I start to get tired of what I'm doing right now I think I'll need to get that.

>>323550351
Its a good mod, but being this massive, it has some stuff that is blatantly unbalanced.

Fun as fuck to play multiplayer with. There is even a guy on youtube that plays it with pals and records it, really good stuff past the memes.

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>Soulstorm Campaign
>playing as IG because MUH EMPRAH
>stuck next to the bullshit tier SOBs
>FUCKING LIVING SAINT
>ALL THIS FIRE
>[SQUAD BROKEN]

Thank the Emperor for Leman Russ tanks and Basilisks.

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>>323550351
Just ate my own post, but I'll summarize a bit

Orkz are completely unique, unlock stuff by increasing their population.

Space Marines have fewer units in squads, but are a lot tankier. Can deepstrike turrets.

Chaos/Daemons get to choose a god to worship which will unlock/restrict certain units for the rest of the match.

>>323550754
You play it? I could use friends.

>>323550754
>blatantly unbalanced
That's never stopped me before. Are the odds stacked against The Guard? Because I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ideally I'd like to be overwhelmed at the Guard's new arsenal but then still get annihilated because the xenos got even bigger stuff. getting gud as imperial guard is what it's all about.

Make it Company of Heroes 2 with more units and not retarded vehicle pathfinding.
DoW2 had less explosions and stuff being destroyed than a game about world war 2.

>>323550918
Guard's first unit is no longer guardsmen, it's conscripts. 25-30 units to a squad and cost 4 req to reinforce. They get slaughtered. Going to take screenshots of a few units.

>>323542524
Something more like Soulstorm, and with the imperial guard being aviable on release.

>>323550891
Sorry pal, unistalled it a while ago and it always crashed at em with higher resolutions for some reason, couldn't play at 1920 shit.
>>323550918
A bit to be honest, but you can be the defensive force you always wanted to be in here. Hell, you can eevn specialize in infantry and get a fuckton of men and rush shit, its good.

You should enjoy it, especially if you play online. Beware of nukes though.

>>323542524
1. All major armies
2. No base building in the DoW sense, but lots of constructables
3. I have no idea what resource system will work, but nothing 'capture the location' because DoW sucked because of it
4. Make it fun, make it unbalanced, make it stupid. I want to lead an army of nothing but a thousand ork melee troops like a madork. No unit caps or limitations on what you can do, its a fucking RTS not some competitive bullshit.

>>323546608
The Emperor is not a God, never referred to himself as a god either.

In fact if he came back to life and saw people worshiping him as a God he would purge those fuckers instantly.

>>323550956
>>323550891
>Ultimate Apocalypse
fuck that piece of shit mod

>>323551326
He was essentialy a superhuman with the abilities of all but one shamans, that was guys like Jesus and Muhamed Ali, and that currently has the ability to hold out the warp and keep it at bay.

Due to the worship he now gets, he is a god.
He didn't want to be one, and everything got fucked up because of it, but now all the pious devotion he gets is manifested in the warp.

Literal God now, even though he hated being called one, but shit works with him being worshiped as one.

You need to update yourself brutha, he knows he is being worshiped, and the last thing he would do at this point is try to contradict it and just run with it, last time he tried the fucking Horus Heresy happened.

Stop posting these anon, you are making me wanna pay this shit again when I can't even do it at 1920x1080

>>323551879
Why would you want to play an unbalanced bloated buggy mess?

>>323551667
Being worshiped as a god and getting power from that worship =/= you being a god in the 40k universe

Thats like saying boobs are god because men worship them. The warp is just a immaterial way for emotions and beliefs to be translated into physical power. And there are many other characters who gain power through the warp from worship that are not gods.

Pre-getting dedded and put on the throne there were no gods worshiped by humans, the emperor was not seen as a god, and he told everyone he wasn't a god.

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Fucking Angron

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>>323551897

Holy shit. That's awesome.

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Lewd

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>>323542524
I want to see charging Guardsmen into melee returning as a viable tactic to beat CSM early game.

>>323551667
>I have come to eradicate religion as it's the bane of Man, warped in superstition, ignorance and fear!
>The Big E

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I still can't believe the campaigns are copy pasted
You have Captain Diomedes

>>323542524
Basebuilding the way DoW1 implemented it does not belong in a 40k game. DoW 1 had shit tier base building.

Ideally, only factions who fluffwise construct shit planetside should have basebuilding. Factions like the IG, Admech, Orks, and to a lesser extent, the Tau and Nids, should have some amount of basebuilding. For example, Ig would be able to construct bunkers, landing pads for their heavy equipment, walls, immobile artillery and turret pieces, etc, while they would be able to deploy their infantry anywhere on the map via valkyries.
Nids in comparison, would mostly deploy their stuff via spores, or tunnels created by those big worm nids, but they would also be able to construct brood nests, digestion pools etc, the former which would spawn smaller nids in huge numbers, and the later could be used to recycle nids for resources.

Factions like the Spesh Muhreens, Chaos, Necrons, Eldar and the Dark Eldar on the other hand, should not have any basebuilding at all, beyond maybe turrets and teleport homers, chaos shrines, some necron monument thingies, and webway gates.

Fixed bases simply are not their thing, as all of these factions deploy to the battlefield via drop pods, warp rifts, teleportaion, or via the webway.

>>323551948
Why the fuck are you comparing tits to gods you fuck, if you know they are not the same and never will be?

Emps is now a god, a entity capable of keeping the warp and most of its fuckery at bay. He is worshiped and its power able to be manifested in the warp.

How the fuck does that not make him a god of poius service and duty, much like Slaanesh is a god of excessive indulgence and Khorne is a god of anger fueled murder and agression?

Yeah, he tried not to be called a god, but when you are by default big enough that a normal space marine has to look up to loot at your face, smart enough to almost make the human Webway, have the most powerful connection to the warp in existence and are able to use it with all of your ability, besides making the primachrs, etcetera, you are kind of a god by human standards. Him being put into the throne just makes him a wh40k god.

But most likely you still disagree with me, so who gives a shit, not like we will change eatchotehsr minds.

>>323542524
>Does base building belong in Warhammer 40k?

Not in the literal sense, at least not for Space Marines; I think Space Marines ought to have something comparable but with their ship in orbit with an a sliding scale of acquisition, as the task becomes more demanding, more resources are allocated to securing victory (which I think is essentially how it works for most missions that aren't "spend 150 years fighting in a civil war to overthrow the corrupt / non-complaiant govenor from his entrenched position on the planet")

But I think it's appropriate for a lot of the xenos, and the imperial guard

>>323552562
>Hes a god because I think he is!
Yeah no, the lore says he is not a god, hes a human who is just super fucking strong and stole some chaos powers.

Thats the lore, and nothing you say will change that.

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>>323542524
>Dawn of War 3 when?

Never. Relic is going full steam ahead on the CoH train.

>What do you want to see?

Dawn of War 2 squad level mechanics with base building and vehicles from DoW 1. Starting factions should be SM, IG, Chaos, Orks, and Eldar. Add Tyranids, Necrons and Tau in expansions.

But we'll never get it anyways so I'll just have to be content with the Battlefleet Gothic game that's coming out.

>>323552562
>Emps is now a god, a entity capable of keeping the warp and most of its fuckery at bay.
By that logic the Necrons are all gods, as is most of their buildings because they repel chaos.

Bad logic is bad.

>>323552714
>Battlefleet Gothic
Oh shit, I forgot that was coming out. Hyped for RAMMING SPEED: the game

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I want to have a choice on what Regiment of the Imperial

>Armageddon Steel Legion
>Mechanized Astra Militarum with armor variants
>Cadian Shock Troops
>the Imperial Guard equivalent of Ultramarines
>Death Korp of Krieg
>suffers no morale damage, yet lacks the support of other regiments
>Tallarn Desert Raiders
>guerilla warfare
>Warhawks
>Grav-chute deployments and drop troopers
>Vostroyan Firstborns
>wide variety of support weapons for infantry

>>323552714
>basebuilding

I wish this meme would just die. RTS games have done basebuilding properly and DoW1 wasn't one of them. I don't know why anyone would want to see that return other than for the sake of it

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>>323552964

>the first installment implemented a certain mechanic poorly
>so lets remove the mechanic entirely instead of fixing it and making it fun

Do you happen to work for Bethesda, by any chance?

>>323553112
That's more of a Bioware thing.

>>323553112
>trusting Relic to handle basebuilding correctly after they fucked it up the first time

It doesn't fit the universe anyway. The amount of basebuilding you could do as IG in DoW2 was enough: air deploying bunkers, tanks and turrets together with Guardsmen being able to construct smaller lasturrets and deployable cover

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can love bloom on the battlefield ?

Surprisingly, Eternal Crusade looks rather decent, gameplay wise at lest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBnHiEnYwDM

>>323553112
The problem is that base building really has no place in 40k. Beyond a few factions there really isn't proper basebuilding.

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>>323553292
>It doesn't fit the universe anyway

So does tons of other shit in the games. This is a weak argument.

Fuck off back to /tg/ if you want to limit having cool shit in games because 'muh lore'.

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>>323542524
>Dawn of War 3 when?
When enough blood is shed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gSJW3sHXE

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>>323542524
Why is the Dark crusade campaign so shitty? Why unlocking wargear is such a hassle? Why can't you use the army painter on the campaign? Why were the devs so fucking lazy?

>>323552964
>>323553292
>>323553429
What DoW2 did was worse.

>All reinforcements must come from one single place always.

The anon in >>323552501 has it right. IG deserves DoW1 gameplay, and DoW2 was a joke. Space Marines don't deserve DoW1's gameplay, and while DoW2 was a step in the right direction for them alone, it wasn't the universal answer. There needs to be some compromise.

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Dawn of war 1
>had base building
>was good

Dawn of War 2
>didn't have base building
>was bad

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>>323553335
No.Faggot.

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>>323553335

>>323553434
Sick comeback, family member. Typical DoW1 fanboy who just wants basebuilding in for no other reason than for the sake of it.
>>323553521
But DoW2 wasn't bad.

>Shilling for the UA mod in this thread.

Vey goyim, don't forget to donate so we can work on the quality on our mod (and by working we don't mean to steal the models from the Russians and send them death threats if they call us out besides sending our huge mob to alienate every single developer!. Oh did I say that? Oh we mean, our fanbase! Yeah totally legit guys! We swear!)

I just wish DoW2 didn't have such shitty AI because I can only play RTS against bots.

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It's pretty weird that each time I've visited /v/ in the past week there's been a 40k thread up.

Refreshing but weird.

I can only imagine what's going to happen when we get news on Dawn of War 3.

Speaking of Dawn of War, does /v/ ever organize games of Soulstorm or whatever?

>>323553612
Macha talking shit is adorable, she can't get any.

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>>323553335

>>323553498
>All reinforcements must come from one single place always.

But that's not true at all you idiot. Reinforcements can come from Space Marine drop pods and troop transports (Razorback, Land Raider Redeemer), Nurgle shrines or Summoning Circle for Chaos Space Marines, Brood Nests, Spore Mine drops and commander abilities for Tyranids, bunkers, Chimera and Valkyrie drops for Imperial Guard or numerous globals/call-in abilities together with troop transports for Orks and Eldar.

Try actually playing the game

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>>323553335
Maybe.
But it would cost your soul.

>>323553539
>that fan and spotlight in front of the space marine
oh lawdy i'm dying

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>tfw you're that guy who plays Tau

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>there are loyalists in this thread

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Who wants to play some DoW 1? I'm not very good but we can fight bots or something.

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>>323543165
I only like IG regiments that are not wearing puke green gear and when they have closed helmets/masks. Also carapace armors are nice.

>>323554305

>Out ranging everyone to the point where balistas can't even hit you.

What's wrong with that?

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>>323553976
I've played the game enough to know the feature is shallow as a puddle. More than 90% of your reinforcements come from one place - one building, mind you, because the spess muhreens have just decided to build up there first, but not too much, ya'no.

But you're an idiot if you call what the IG can do anything equitable to fluff-friendly. DoW1 was hands-down better, and UA showed exactly what they could have been with base-building. Actual walls. Earth-shaker platforms - you know, artillery? The thing that DoW2 refused to even dip its hand in? Also the main firepower of the guard. UA did a lot of things wrong, but it did a hell of a lot more right than DoW2.

>>323554450

What expansions do you own? I sadly only have soulstorm on steam since i've lost my Original copies of the previous games ;-;

>>323554534
I have them all. You can get every game/expansion/dlc in the series for like $10 on G2A.

>>323554531
>fluff-friendly
The game that gave us a hundred lost Baneblades.

>>323542524
DoW2's multiplayer was never really balanced, and didn't hit the controlled chaos of DoW1's really until Retribution. Problem is that a significant portion of the player base, especially old school fans, had quit the game and moved to something else by the time the multiplayer was fun.

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>>323554305
>rail guns
>mecha
>space Japan
I fail to see the problem here.

>>323554586

Toss me a friend invite, we can get a game going sometime.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/itsallaboutthehorn

>>323554696

This is magnificent!

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>slaying Xenos every evenining for the Emperor
Feels good brutha.

>>323554696
>there is no game in this style
WHY

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>>323554937
>SM
>not IG

>>323554983
How exactly would you do it?

>>323555075
They are too hard to play ;_;
SM and CSM is babbymode and recommended for beginners.

>>323554531
>I've played the game enough to know the feature is shallow as a puddle.

And you honestly think the shallow as fuck basebuilding DoW1 had was infinitely better? It wasn't.

Also, we've gone from 'All reinforcements must come from one single place always' to 'More than 90% of your reinforcements come from one place'; feel free to pull more statistics out of your arse to support your next reply, anon.

>But you're an idiot if you call what the IG can do anything equitable to fluff-friendly

So Imperial Guard don't actually reinforce via Valkyrie drops or troop transports like in DoW2? God dammit. Well, it's a good thing we have our resident lore expert on site to tell us what we're doing wrong.

>DoW1 was hands-down better, and UA showed exactly what they could have been with base-building
>UA
>a mod added all of this stuff DoW2 didn't have (along with stuff DoW1 didn't have either but I'll ignore that because it fits better with what I'm trying to say!)

As terrible as Relic are in the field, they actually had to concern themselves somewhat with game balance when it came to the multiplayer aspect of DoW2. UA adds bucketloads of units to the game for no other reason than for the sake of it. Great if you're intent on fucking around with your friends in high-resource games for giant meatgrinder battles; not so great for balanced, competitive play.

Elite Mod makes DoW2's multiplayer infinitely better too but I'm not going to use that to try and argue in my favour because it's a mod, just like UA is a mod and doesn't make DoW1 at its core a better game than DoW2.

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>>323553637
>Sick comeback, family member
>being this mad

I hope you can now cut the shitposting and start actually talking about 40k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om7AuID6BY

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>>323551539
>>323551436
>>323551897
>>323551990
>>323552147
Fucking love Ultimate Apocalypse. Its ridiculousness is perfectly suitable for 40k.

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>Playing Rhean jungle 2v2v2v2
>It´s 6 hours long game already
>It´s only three of us in the game
>Imperial guard and eldar are fighting each other while I´m sitting at base for like 4 hours now completely ignored
>Nothing will happen If I take dog out for a bit right?
>Come back 5 minutes later
>You were defeated

>>323554983
>>323555147
>metal slug

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>>323555165
>tfw one of the best IG players in Ret

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>>323542524

>2016
>still no gameplay footage of deathwing that isn't an awful shitty cam video

Unacceptable.

I liked dow2 retribution desu, playing it online was a lot of fun, and it also has an incredible VA detail

units and the announcer react to both whats happening to your armies, to the enemy and the allies, when I was playing with eldar and had chaos allies the announcer went:
>we have allied ourselves with these degenerates
when I first spotted the plague marines

a guardsman yells:
>glory to me eh spacemarine?
when he kills a SM soldiers

that walker thingy that guards have says with a nervous tone:
>landraider... here we go
when you order it to attack a landraider

and etc, its mindblowing

>>323555269
Elite mod?
I'd really like to get into Orcs, but I'm still on my way out of scrub territory for quite a while.

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>>323554876
>>323554983
Steeljoe makes some real nice pixel art animation.

>>323555221
>I hope you can now cut the shitposting

The irony. Dawn of War threads on /v/ are at the epicentre of shitposting on this board whenever they're active and you're one of the idiots contributing to it. It's always the same band of retards sucking UA's dick and praising DoW1 as the second coming as Jesus because it had basebuilding and ignoring the myriad other problems the game suffered from.

I actually enjoyed both franchises.

>>323555364
>Elite mod?
Nope, vanilla.

>Orcs
I never really got into Orcs, only SM, CSM, IG and Eldar.

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>>323555337

>queue up the heavy armor for the warboss
>"get da big armor!"
>"No, da even bigga armor!"

>>323555484
>Nope, vanilla.

It's not hard being the best when everyone else is a scrub, anon. DoW2's best multiplayer veterans all play Elite

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>>323555483

>still refusing to contribute to the thread

Pretty sad.

>>323555263
Let's play some time, amigo.

>>323555556
the way the chaos announcers taunts and threatens you when you are losing was amusing too

>do not fail us!
>this is not the victory you have promised us!

when you win:
>chaos vanquishes all

>>323555643
But I have been contributing to the thread. I've been discussing the games, anon. Image dumping from your 40k folder and YOU MAD isn't contributing.

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started DoW2 a while ago

is there anything i can do about the hotkeys being spread in random places all over the keyboard?

>>323555584
I was the best before that mod came out, this was like 3 years ago.

>>323555801
there's an option for that
something like "grid hotkeys"

>>323555801
Activate grid keys in the options, it'll remap active unit abilities to QWERTY.
>>323555842
Never too late to test you mettle and shake off the rust, anon

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>>323555761
>i'll keep shitposting because nobody can stop me

I mean I'm not sure how else to get through to you, friend.

>>323542524
>Does base building belong in Warhammer 40k?
The fact that cunts are still playing DOW1 when DOW2 exists is perfect that it does.

>>323555871
>>323555892
oh shit
thanks so much anons

>>323555892
>Never too late to test you mettle and shake off the rust, anon
I have the meta drilled into my skull. Guard, sergeant, tech, manitcore, plasma commissar, some Commissar lord upgrade, that power fist, the artillery upgrade, Leman Russ, vanquisher and the victory.

I have gotten it down to Korean levels of speed.

>>323548710
>>323548924

IG isn't awful, they have one of the strongest early game strats in soulstorm and dark crusade.
Just open with com squad and three IG squads and reinforce as necessary, put pressure and rush T2 for commisar. Don't bother with tech on infantry until after you've gotten vehicles, and some players even put off infantry tech until after t3.

At 20 strategic resource a head, and with the fastest reinforce rate ever, IG squads are a real demon early game when paired with command squad.

>>323556056
The meta's probably changed a lot in those 3 years considering all of the balance changes Elite has made over the years.

Base building as it is in Dow1 doesn't really have much of a meaning, and I don't really care about it, it doesn't do much for the gameplay. Supcom is a game where base building shines - every building has a real purpose, it does something and is not just an arbitrary requirement for unit production or a shack with 3 upgrades to research in it. Buildings synergize, and work towards something, you can build a terrible base and a great base that will be efficient and defensive. This is the kind of building that makes sense and the kind I want to see.

If it's just 'put it whenever, spam shit out of it" like DoW1, I don't mind it gone. Then again, DoW2 couldn't have handled it worse, because with condensing everything into a hq THEY REMOVED ALL THE FUCKING UPGRADES

>>323556139
>he meta's probably changed a lot in those 3 years
It hasn't. I can wipe out the same strats I used 3 years ago and still win. Shit plays out like its WWI with melee charges and artillery out the wazoo.

>>323553335
No because love is a battlefield

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>>323556094

>me and a bud used to 1v1 each other all the time in Dark Crusade
>he tries IG for the first time when i play necrons
>hfw flayed one spam

Then he came back and stomped my shit as chaos next game. Good times.

>>323553410
Looks worse than Planetside2.
Yeah no

>>323556280
>Supcom is a game where base building shines
This, by far the best when it comes to the building aspect of RTS

>>323556280
>Then again, DoW2 couldn't have handled it worse, because with condensing everything into a hq THEY REMOVED ALL THE FUCKING UPGRADES

What upgrades? Good post, though. You've probably triggered a lot of DoW1 fanboys with it. Basebuilding from the likes of TA or SupCom is doing it right.

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>>323555147
>a mix between metal slug, with trine aiming, megaman level designs and secret upgrades.

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>>323556658

>metal slug style 40k game

I didn't know it was possible to want something this much.

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>Battlefleet Gothic is out in a couple months
>still no ork gameplay footage

Here's hoping it's a success and we get some expansions. Tyranids and Tau would be neat, not sure how they would implement Necrons to make them both balanced and not boring.

>>323556308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJM_NBujSM

Do you watch any of Indrid's casts? Tex is one of the top players atm, this is a decent IG replay

>>323551031
Why the fuck did they change the conscript model from whiteshields to the vanilla pdf guardsmen?
I'm so pissed because I loved to mass conscripts with artillery but now they just look like shit and it kills the mood for me.

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>muh basebuilding
It doesn't add anything.
As long as the strategy and tactics are working well, that kind of bloat isn't really needed.

>>323557086
The crons need nerfing to be fun to ever see on the field.

>>323557190
Although I agree with you on the helmets, guardsmen are still beefier looking and more likely to have full helmets and masks.

>>323556056
The first or second purchase is pretty much Sentinel so you can be a harassing powerhouse.
I'm really glad they kept developing it, because otherwise it might have been stuck at shallow buildorders.

>>323557086
Doubt crons will appear unless it was some game mode based around them, fluff wise their ships are head and shoulders above the rest.

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>>323557469

True but that would be a bit of a shame. I'd love to use my intertialess drive and zip a Cairn around the battlefield like it's a godamn hotrod.

>>323557086
what would tyranids or tau be doing in gothic sector. Nigger you are literally fighting fleet of the biggest black crusade ever. If you read wiki it says, imperium gained control of orbit in gothic system but chaos gained foothold on Cadia. Game is supposed to be about imperium vs abaddon fleet

>>323557730
BFG doesn't have to be set in the Gothic Sector.

>>323557123
There's some amagzing shit to be seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ceIm9GWzWA
>that Chaos Dreadnought of Khorne

>>323557123
Nah, I want to play vidya. Not watch it.

>>323557675
I did forget the sentinel in writing it down. The core part of any good melee charge.

>>323557730
>what would tyranids or tau be doing in gothic sector

Nigger, what. Battlefleet Gothic is the name for the tabletop game where you fought with space ships. Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids were all factions that you could play as.

I realize the Gothic War is the backdrop it uses at times, but at other times it does away with it entirely. Because, you know, that wouldn't be any godamn fun otherwise.

>>323557883
>Nah, I want to play vidya. Not watch it.

I have 2,400 hours in Retribution but it's still never boring to watch high-level play.

>>323557883
The guy posted the video to show you that the meta didn't grind to a halt. So you either watch it and argue against it, or admit that you knowledge of the game is outdated.

>>323556625
Upgrades which can't be exactly converted to per-squad equipement dow2 has. Stuff that affects your army globally like research for increase to capture rate for all units or something like "Research this: hormagaunts and termagaunts now automatically regain a model per 30 sec", etc etd. All you get is 'go up a tier'

>>323556487
Seeing how it is still in early development, how is that surprising?
Also, combat wise, it already looks way better than Planetside 2 imo. I hate the combat in PS2.

>>323557926
I don´t play tabletop games because they are expensive as fuck but it would make sense if the game was about gothic sector, it was confirmed you fighting abaddon´s fleet. And abaddon´s fleet is attacking in gothic sector I think

>>323558337
I don't really think the lack of those global upgrades negatively impacts the experience, though. It's just bought individually in a lot of instances, like buying the Sarge leader for Catachans to enable them to infiltrate while standing still or letting GM reinforce 3 at a time after you purchase a Commissar leader.

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>>323558595
>it would make sense if the game was about gothic sector

And if they ever add more factions, they can simply say "Yeah you're not fighting them in the Gothic War."

There's no reason to just shut down the possibility of different fleets just because of a naming convention. That would be an odd thing to do.

>>323558595
The fact that you can ram into other ships as an actual strategy is cool as fuck.

>tfw Chaos is a DLC faction in Total War: Warhammer

FUCK EVERYTHING

>>323558172
Perhaps meta is the incorrect word, but either way that is a 1v1 and the tactics used in 1v1s do not apply to 2v2s, 3v3s, etc.

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>Dawn of War is 12 years old

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>>323559183

There haven't been any really good 40k games in a while.

I'm putting all my hopes in Deathwing and BFG.

>>323542629
/thread

>>323559183
Fuck, it's still so good.

>>323559183
>RTS is dead
>DoW is still amazing

whew

>>323559376
>The guardsman
>Introduces you to his fantastic sister
>Is okay with you dating if you aren't an ass
like you! Come over to my house and fuck my sister!

post BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEBLAAAADE

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>>323559376
I'm not giving up hope for Eternal Crusade. It's the closest thing to a spiritual successor to Space Marine's multiplayer that we're gonna get probably.

>>323558958

>he thinks the entirety of Chaos is just one faction

>>323560131

It's confirmed that you won't be able to play as them at all unless you get the DLC, which is what people have a problem with.

>>323560221

>It's confirmed

Source?

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>>323559954
Stormblade?

>>323559376
>Noise Marine
>Really cool music
>Unrealistically kinky sex

I think I'll stick to the Tau.

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>>323560313
http://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-release-date-set-first-dlc-adds-chaos-warriors/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/404010/
Game is not even out yet.

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>>323560313
Is this your first experience with SEGA? They're worse than EA.

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>>323542524
Relic a shit, focus interactive is the savior of 40k

>>323560313
>Source?

Seriously?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-10-22-you-can-play-as-chaos-in-total-war-warhammer

>Players who want to control their own Chaos armies during a Grand Campaign need to own the 'Chaos Warriors Race Pack', which is free to those who pre-order.

It's pretty jewish, and a lot of people are already unclear about exactly what the DLC is because assholes keep saying shit like "Chaos warriors are a separate faction, you can still play as normal Chaos!" Which is just blatantly untrue.

>>323560426
>hand coming out of the ass
Nice try Slaanesh.

>>323560418

No where does it say you can't play as the other Chaos factions if you don't get the Warriors DLC.

>>323560457
focus interactive is a publisher my friend

>>323560642
>The game will feature four playable core races (Orks, Dwarfs, Empire, Undead) but a fifth—Chaos Warriors—will be available in Total War: Warhammer's first "race pack" DLC release.

>>323560457
I just wish it wasn't on a 2D plane.
>muh tabletop
I know, but I wish it wasn't.

>>323560613
>Slaanesh
>not lobster claw
It could be a Tzeentch random mutation.

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I don't want Dawn of War 2: 2
I want Dawn of War 1: 2

>>323560717
I think he's counting orkz and undead as chaos, like the Winter Assault campaign.

>>323560797
Reverse fisting sounds like a thing Slaanesh would do.

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>>323560717
The next will be Stormcast Eternals probably so they can help GW shill Age of Sigmar.

>>323561082
Game is set pre-end times.

Possibly a different timeline too.

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>>323560613
Oh I'll give you Slaneesh

>>323561082

This is what I'm worried about. They're planning two major expansions for the game to add to the campaign map and add more races. But now that Age of Sigmarines has landed I fear for what might happen.

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I don't want Dawn of War 1: 2

I want Dawn of War 2: 2

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>>323561160

>>323552668
Everything about The Emperor in lore points to him ascending to godhood, they just don't call it that because it's wh40k, which is sloppily written tripe because first and foremost it's a setting, not a story

>>323561153
No chance for Skaven then?

Sheeeit.

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Fuck, now i want to reinstall DOW1.

just make supreme commander with a wh40k skin

I mean you even have titans built in

it's perfect

>>323561574
Skaven always existed in warhammer fantasy.

>>323560426
The artstyle reminds me of Nerfnow.

>>323555305
An anon did an article on this as he was wondering why there's still nothing since the last trailer here: http://sidearc.com/death-of-deathwing/
The game's future looks grimdark

>>323559954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXkiEKPri00

>>323560757
>I just wish it wasn't on a 2D plane.
For the purpose of the game, it being on a 2D plane is fine

>>323561874
Gee, I wonder why. It's not like joe has never done porn.

>Installed DOW to play until get home to main PC rig up north
>Mission where assaulting Eldar marker dig site thing.
>Forces get cut down in swathes by purple landmines(?), too much congestion on the terrain to bring Russ's front and centre.

How do I micro good? All my tactix so far is to hobble back and just binge on units till I hit cap.

>>323561657
Do it. I'll play with you.

>>323553410
>>323556487
>>323558557
looks like Space Marine combat mixed with planetside bases.

might be good ;x

>>323558595
The story mode is about Abaddon's 12th crusade in the Gothic sector, yes.
But there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to play as Tau, nid or Necrons in the multiplayer mode (if there's one of course but I can't imagine the game without it)

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>still no game where you can actually play as a titan
>some studio is creating a tablet game where you can play as an imperial knight though!
>more shilling to GW's new products

This pain hurts, brothers.

>>323542524
>In an interview the devs said they couldn't add the tyranids (or didn't want, can't remember) because the engine wouldn't be able to sustain the number of units the tyranids should use to represent the faction.
>They are added in dow2.
>DoW2 is just fucking company of heroes with even less units.

I seriously hate when devs just make up some fucking excuse to no implement something.

>>323562624
There's Freeblade where you can play as a Knight who are the smallest Titan but it's a mobile game

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Dawn of War + Men of War?

>Realistic calculations of armor penetration values on Astartes plate
>Pinpoint control of vehicles and troops
>Guardsmen getting one-shotted by bolters
>True artillery, fortification and cover systems
>Troops getting promotions and all having individual inventories
>You can loot the power-sword of the enemy champion you slew

Fuck yeah

>>323562624
>>some studio is creating a tablet game where you can play as an imperial knight though!
>>323563118
>play as a Knight who are the smallest Titan but it's a mobile game


isnt that what he just said xD
lel.

how much do you guys think a complete tw:warhammer collection will be when CA is done?
I'm saying atleast 400$ without sale prices.
when its on sale itll be 20$
3 games, atleast what?, 10 dlc per?

>>323559376
>No dark eldar
Dropped

>>323563275
>touching enemy gear
Good way to get yourself shot, corrupted, or both.

>>323563408
fug
I should have read his post more carefully.

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>>323563118
>not even bothering to read post
Was referring to that, but yeah, tablet/mobile game.

Didn't Warhound used to be the smallest? Would rather play as that.

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>tfw

Also who the fuck likes Tyranids. There couldn't possibly be a more boring faction.

It's all about Loyalists vs Chaos. That entails not only Space Marines but Daemons, renegades and the Imperial Guard, too.

Who gives a fuck about Tau or Necrons either.

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>>323563275
Most of /v/ is cancerous shit idea men that can't really pull of good ideas but that's a really good one
I like you comrade

>>323563431

I was obviously talking about a Chaos champion looting imperial gear.

Nothing is more perverse than slaying loyalists with an imperial eagle-emblem sword. Much like the Emperor's Children still sticking to their chapter name.

>>323561962
3D looks better and is more interesting to watch though.
Just makes it 2D runs into the danger of making it too simple.

>>323563804
Touching enemy gear is still stupid, you don't know how they've booby trapped it. Rifle with a spare mag? The third bullet down is rigged to explode. Power sword? It's gene-locked to blow the power core when touched by the wrong people. Rosarius dropped by Chaplain? It's actually Ursarkar E. Creed and his army of memers.

>>323564048

Meh. I'm right now on a book where a CSM wields a looted power sword.

>>323564150
>Meh
And we're done here.

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>>323564256

>Get actually blown the fuck out
>Quit argument like a child

>>323564048
>these ideas for trapped weapons
You have given me some good ideas to apply in a Dark Heresy campaign ive been thinking about sir.

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>>323563620
>There couldn't possibly be a more boring faction

> tfw in the next 20 years GW will be collapsing under the weight of 3D Printing and as their final hurrah comission a game that is a 1:1 remake of the tabletop, with rules for every possible edition, codex, wargear the works, all online.

A man can dream.

>>323564351
He said it's dangerous you cockgoblin and not impossible.

>>323563620
>Also who the fuck likes Tyranids
m-me

>>323564515
They'll just take everything to the grave with themselves.

>>323564432
The exploding rifle idea I got from old VC traps from the Vietnam war. They came up with a bunch of simple but deadly traps to kill unwary soldiers.

>Start up Retribution for the first time
>Holy shit, Tyranids
>Barely any dialogue because Hive Mind, who takes ages to say a single sentence
>None of the enemy factions past the first mission acknowledge I'm an all-consuming locust horde (the Chaos muhreens talk to me as if I'm some sapient race capable of heresy for fuck's sake)
>Play Ork campaign instead
>Get the most fun RTS campaign I've played in a while

I know Nids aren't exactly known for their personalities, but they could have at least tried to make that campaign more interesting.

>>323564048
>upsetting the Machine Spirit
Ork and Chaos are known for looting Imperial gear.

>>323564528

It's not very plausible for troops to carry rigged magazines. What if a friend loots it? What if you just forget which magazine was which in the heat of battle?

Also I've never heard of power weapons having some identification mechanic.

Literally, I'm reading a WH40k book right now (Soul Hunter) where the "protagonist" wields a power sword he looted from an imperial champion he slew. He even holds it in very high regard, appreciates its craftmanship and other Night Lords have tried three times to kill him for the sword.

>>323564837
>Also I've never heard of power weapons having some identification mechanic.
It's very inconsistent and should not be taken seriously.

>>323564804
And there's pieces of fluff about how the Orks have trouble getting near disabled land raiders because they keep shooting back until the Machine Spirit can be ripped out.

>>323564515
>>323564624
>last hurrah is having the Emperor actually die
>Terra is consumed by the warp and the imperium crumbles without leadership
>chaos wins gg no re

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>>323564048
>Rifle with a spare mag? The third bullet down is rigged to explode

Sounds like a good way to get the Techpriests on your ass for fucking around with sacred munitions.

>>323564998
If you're in the kind of situation where you're booby trapping your own weapons you're about to die anyhow. If you're doing it to your mates weapon because he's dead, then you blame the dead guy.

>>323564957
Yes, and? They will still loot it in the end.
Ork managed to loot an avatar of Khaine in the Octarius war, I don't see why a Land Raider would be an issue.

>>323564837
Dunno which was it, maybe one of the Ahriman books where even the bolter had a sensor at the grip.
but this guy is right >>323564951

Though I only jumped at it because you cried "B-BTFO HURR DURR" for no reason.

>>323565238
>Yes, and?
And you're looking for an argument where there is none. This isn't /tg/, you don't need to "win" a lore thread.

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Look at this.

Once this was a fine city. Gleaming beacon of the Emperor's light. A center of industry. Now look at it.

Commissar, I would like to see this city built up again. I would like to see towers and spires of gleaming white. I would like to see our men on parade routes, not tours of duty. I would like to see every city in this planet, every colony in this besotted, miserable system turned to the service and industry of the Imperium, in the Emperor's name.

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>>323564048
>Rifle with a spare mag? The third bullet down is rigged to explode

Who the fuck would the IG be fighting that they need to booby trap their lasguns? Minor shit like secessionists and rebels? Maybe traitor guardsman regiments? Most of the shit they end up facing isn't going to even bother to pick their weapons up.

>>323565782
>lasguns
I was thinking autoguns because lasguns don't have bullets and aren't rifles.

>>323564961
Wouldn't the Emprah ascend to a higher being and blow the Warp the fuck out with his psyche or some shit?

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>>323559376
>not choosing the emperor

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>>323565771

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>>323565983

>I was thinking of some hypothetical military force that only exists in my head that has no las weapons at all and is running around with shitty stubbers

Alright? I guess that kind of shuts down any potential conversation, then.

Also
>aren't rifles
Let's not do this. No offense but that kind of nitpicking is approaching ridiculous levels of autism.

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>>323566360

>>323563620
>Also who the fuck likes Tyranids
Zergfags

>>323566486

>lost over a hundred Baneblades

That isn't canon mate.

>>323566127

Pretty much if GW ever gets off their ass and progress the story.

>>323566407
You're a /tg/ native, aren't you?

>>323542524
Dawn of War 1 - Armies
Dawn of War 2 - Squads
Dawn of War 3 - Individual Spess Mareen?

>>323566648

Excellent contribution to the thread, buddy.

>>323542524
Because people who are bad at RTS games are able to think that "I'd be so much better if they didn't keep cheese rushing me" in base building games where they just create giant armies and compstomp all day. There really isn't an equivalent aspect for an RTT like DoW2.

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>>323543967
>If you will not serve in combat, then you will serve on the firing line

>>323566705
>Dawn of War 3 - ASSFAGGOTS
by the Emperor, no

>>323566712
So yes. If you want an internet slap fight just ask for one instead of being such a contentious prick about everything.

>>323543967
Would've been more awesome if you could pick from different regiments like Krieg or Catachan.

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>>323546303
Please if anyone knows about the books can you recommend me any that follow the Tau and not spess muhreens

Tau are my favorite

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>>323563620
>who the fuck likes Tyranids

Tyranids (like old-Crons) can be interesting when you look at how they affect the setting and all the other 'normal' denizens in it. So yeah, they don't get to have interesting characters with neat backstories - they're just some sort of nearly unstoppable dinosaur/bug army that all the other sentient races have to kill.

>>323564961

If the Emperor "dies" he'll most likely be reborn.

But GW won't advance the story so we'll never know.

>>323542524
Starcraft styled base building

Or if they are going to stick with non base building squad combat they need to make it actually fun.

Or really indepth story

>>323566843

Sorry man. I was thinking I could talk about 40k and not have to watch my step and make sure to not call lasguns rifles.

I would like DoW3 but they really shit on the Blood Ravens and other factions in DoW2.
Blood Ravens are like one step away from becoming a Chaos legion now. They basically killed the good characters like Thule.

Also I did find DoW1 more fun. Defiler spam, Tau faction and Hammerhead Gunships, invisible Chaos marines and Eldar Bonesinger. Fun!

>>323566635
So humanity wouldn't be kill? Or what.

If they ever did progress the story my bet is on something to do with the remaining primarchs.

>>323566916
Fire Warrior by Simon Spurrier

>>323567076
>40k thread, not watching out for autism mines.
And now you know.

>>323567136
nigga, Gabriel became chapter master, they're fine.

>>323566916
The Ciaphas Cain series has a few that focuses on them a bit.

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>>323564508
Don't be mean, the Tau just want a peaceful resolution in a setting known for its constant war

Also they are WAY cooler than Eldar imho (in my honest opinion)

>>323567235
Based Gabriel Angelos. Good relations with Imperium worlds and the Eldar and somehow the Grey Knights too, but wise enough to stick to the Codex.

I guess they can pick up from there again. But if it becomes a game where you have a choice of falling into Chaos, then I may lose faith on the Blood Ravens because it shows they are weak to the forces of the warp, not just highly attuned with it.

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>>323567136
Davian aint dead.
HE SERVES ETERNAL

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>>323567492
>, the Tau just want a peaceful resolution in a setting known for its constant war

To be perfectly fair, I think all the other factions besides Chaos and Orks want that too.

Killing everyone else would make things pretty peaceful.

Enemies of the Imperium, hear me. You have come here to die. The Immortal Emperor is with us and we are invincible. His soldiers will strike you down. His war machines will crush you under their treads. His mighty guns will bring the very sky crashing down upon you. You cannot win. The Emperor has given us his greatest weapon to wield. So make yourselves ready. We are the First Kronus Regiment, and today is our Victory Day.

>>323566916
are they reating some doner?
fukken kebab

>>323567568
doubt he'd ever fall to chaos, the rest of the blood ravens may but this nigga makes Titus look bad and he's a fucking ultramarine that fisted a daemon prince.

>>323567136

I appreciated the tactical choice presented with different upgrade paths in DC/SS, even if it was a simple one, as in "either go for improved infantry/commanders or build vehicles". There was surprisingly much to be done even in T1.5 with some races (SM with the Plasma Pistol FC build or early CSM bolters).

On a different note, if I have a retail copy of Dark Crusade, can I somehow contact Steam and ask for a key? If yes, then what's the procedure?

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>>323567682
Tau are vegetarians.

>>323567568
Nigga the blood ravens were started by 4th company sergeanr arvida of the thousand sons.

>>323567745

Didn't the fire caste evolve as hunters? Did they fiddle with their genetics so they no longer have to eat meat?