>Magus was going to appear in Chrono Cross >it was scrapped Yeah, I'm still mad. I mean it could mean that Frog killing him in the Dark Ages is canon but the dialogue for fighting him is flat out not in Frog's character
Lavos is great, manages to have a commanding presence in the plot and to be memorable as hell despite having no personality to speak of and never speaking a single line.
>>323401562 >Lavos crashed into the planet and started eating it from the inside out because Queen Zeal told it to.
Nope. Zeal was like one of those fishes you see swinning in the underside of a shark, eating whatever scraps he can get. She was siphoning power off Lavos to keep the Black Omen alive, but that was it.
>>323400646 Can you blame them? All of the terrible shit they saw throughout history and the future was caused by Lavo's pulling the strings and manipulating people, tearing lives apart. It's true that they may not even have been born and humanity could have developed along a drastically different path, had it not been for Lavos, but considering the amount of suffering Lavos caused, it stands to reason the world would have been a better place without its manipulation.
What has me curious is was Lavos the only one of its species or was it the spawn of another that had completed its cycle? Because of how it seemed to evolve itself, it seems more like the former since its core only contained the DNA of every living creature on that planet. You'd think if it was a spawn, it would have taken DNA from other worlds with it as you'd think it would want to include previous DNA in its spawn to continue to evolve.
Not to mention, I wonder what its endgame even was. Where would this evolution stop and what would it even do with it besides continue to consume worlds? Considering how evolved the core was, it must have developed SOME sort of self awareness and intelligence.
>>323402448 I haven't played Cross or done the extra content on the DS version yet, but it's hard to wrap my head around how that happens, you kill Lavos at the end of Trigger right? How come he still exists in Cross?
>>323402571 You could speculate that's something Lavos could do. But it'd be tearing itself away from its body. Even if it created a new body for itself inside the shell - one that was capable of leaving the shell and causing havoc or whatever - Lavos has no reason to do that. It'd be content to just chill beneath the earth until it's time to destroy everything and launch more spawns outward.
Look at it this way: If you could tear your nervous system out of your body and place it in a fetus that was being created inside you and then transfer your consciousness to that fetus, would you? The body you already have already does everything you need it to, and making another one would be a huge waste of biological resources for little if any net gain.
>>323402448 This is more of an accident than its actual goal though
>>323402592 >you kill Lavos >he's an entity of such overwhelming power, that by destroying it, instead of killing it outright, by some manner of space-time shenanigans he ends as a shade or copy at the End of Time >at some point he finds Schala, who was also thrust into the End of Time after the events of the Ocean Palace, also fueled by Lavos' overwhelming power causing all maner of space-time shenanigans >Lavos somehow fuses with her and attains the ability to devour timelines through space-time shenanigans. >you then have to use space-time shenanigans to reverse the space-time shenanigans that fused Lavos and Schala in the first place
>>323402592 When you kill him, you've also killed the timeline where he takes over the world, thus making it a dead timeline. He's sent to the Darkness Beyond Time, which is where dead timelines rest. When Schala was sent away in the Ocean Palace, she was also sent there. Lavos fuses with her and becomes the Dream Devour, who later evolves into the Time Devour.
Chrono Cross is super complex, there's a bunch of crap like this.
>>323402448 Yeah but wasn't that more of an accident than anything? I mean, maybe it was manipulating everybody on a deeper level but it seemed more like that was happenstance. Like, after they killed it, it managed to crawl back through all of the rifts in time, found Schala and said "hey, I can work with this".
>>323402608 Yeah but that's us seeing it throw its ow spawn out. Maybe it was the first in the line, wandering space until it found a good planet to crash into.
>>323403204 The plot points of Radical Dreamers have been reworked into part of the early plot of Chrono Cross. As in, there's a mansion that you infiltrate that has a mysterious artifact of some power inside. I don't know how that game ends though, so I couldn't say more.
>>323403693 Right, I swear alternate universe plots get on my nerves. I can handle time travel bullshit just fine but once you throw in a bunch of other timeline bullshit and don't keep them self contained my mind starts to break down.
It really bothers me that in the end, it was "revealed" that Marle is a direct descendant of Ayla. No shit? Okay, Earth didn't have humans 65 million years ago, but if it did, then literally every human would be a direct ancestor of literally every human that exists today. I mean, even in the real world, every human came from the same place.
>>323403829 I completely agree, Chrono Cross makes things unnecessarily complex. It's entire plot is about alternate universes, and how messing with them undid the work in Chrono Trigger. The whole point of the game is to unfuck things up, it's irritating. I loved how Chrono Trigger kept time travel simple.
What is Lavos origins and why is a blank slate if it houses DNA of planets it siphons? If none can explain, I will start a new theory that Lavos was created when Chrono went back in time the FIRST time and started to create new timelines and paradoxes.
>>323404367 Exactly, I mean, alt. universe crossovers are and always will be a cool ass concept and I'm sure they can and have been done well, but you've already got time travel on top of that so you're making something a tiny bit complex unravel even more. I don't think they even mention alt. universes in Trigger. Plus apparently everyone you played as in Trigger died because of Dalton? I don't believe it, he was a bumbling idiot IIRC and the idea of him succesfully invading Porre doesn't gel well with me. >>323404823 From what I've learned from this thread I'm happy about that. The series is apparently a clusterfuck.
>>323405418 >The other characters live. Well, except for Frog and Ayla, who are long dead. And Robo, whom you kill during the events of Cross. And Magus, who is too busy cosplaying as a male stripper with a magician theme.
>>323405702 Actually, minor correction, you don't kill him directly but he still dies. At some point Robo's circuits are integrated into the systems that govern Chronopolis as the Prometheus Circuit that controls direct access to the Frozen Flame, what you kill are the Iachesis, Atropos and Clotho circuits that control access to the facility proper. Robo gets destroyed by FATE at some point after Serge comes in contact with the Flame and unwittingly locks FATE out of access for it.
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