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>Elements in doomhammer refuse to help Thrall after he killed Garrosh so he is forced to give the hammer to someone else

at least there's someone in the game that thinks Thrall is a faggot
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>Cucked out of his own hammer by the elements
I wonder what his new weapon will be. Assuming he doesn't just magically get it back later.
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>>323397984
What a bitch. He should just kill himself.
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Was hoping he would die desu

Oh well, at least even the elements know he fucking cheated in killing garrosh
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>Keep your eyes on Thrall. He's wounded. He's like to kill himself down here and I don't want to be the one to tell his wife!
>Doomhammer... it was like a dead weight in my hands. The elements were silent. It has been this way since I used it to slay Garrosh.

>Spirits... hear my call...
>Are you the so-called "World Shaman?" Hah! >You fight like a crippled pig.

>Hear me, elements of Azeroth.
>Once, we walked as one. I abused your powers for my own personal vendetta.
>Take back the Doomhammer! Grant it to one who is worthy.
>Teach me, and again I will be your servant.
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Thrall loses his faith again?

Elemental Bonds 2: Chain Lightning Boogaloo
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>>323399016
>this whole post
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my main nigga is Thrall but damn he needs his hair back.
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Why would the elements give two shits about him killing Garrosh?

It's not like this is the first time he has ganked a nigga.

ANd it's fucking Garrosh.
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>>323397984
Yeah sure he's getting knocked down a peg, but like every other time he's going to come back stronger, with bigger beads and even better posture.

Metzen won't allow his waifu to lose, it's just not possible.
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>>323400870
yeah he'll probably come back with a head full of SSJ elemental hair and a Doomhammer made purely out of lightning cuz why not.
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>>323400753
Because he did it for revenge and apparently that's bad?
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>>323400753
He challenged Garrosh to that gay orc 1v1 shit that killed Cairne and Thrall disobeyed the rules with using the elements as an additional weapon along with Doomhammer.
He threw away his honor by doing that so the elements think he's gay for a bit.
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>>323398389
Blizzard said that at the end of the expansion we're likely gonna lose the artifact weapons again somehow. So expect Thrall to be all "I am the chosen one again" and grab it back cause reasons.
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>>323397984
Maybe he shouldn't have challenged Garrosh to an honorable duel and then cheated by wearing armor, and using a two weapons (elements count).

I'd be pissed too. Nigga basically dishonored the fuck out of them on Draenor in an honorable Draenor duel.
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>>323400753

Exactly. I mean, the idea is pretty cool. It'd make 100% sense of the context of a weapon like the Ashbringer - if he did something unjust and the weapon rejected him, leaving him to find a way to repent and giving you the sword as he did so. That'd be fucking neat.

But yeah, why the fuck would the elements care about one more individual Thrall killed?
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>>323401103
>Thrall disobeyed the rules with using the elements as an additional weapon along with Doomhammer.
except this is speculation and not canon.
There's absolutely no reference to using the elements in the rules of Mak'gora.
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i listened to the thrall/vol'jin stuff in the echo isles again and thrall is a fucking moron. literally everything thrall says ends up wrong and all he did was fuck around chasing macguffins and 'talking' to the elements the whole expansion. horrendous writing.
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>>323401202
>and using a two weapons (elements count).
says who?
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>>323401226
In fact it ignores the mak'gora in the wrath launch event where he used several lightning based attacks
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>>323401326
>says who?
As described in The Shattering and Bloodsworn the rules for Mak'gora are:

Each participant is allowed one weapon.
A blessing of this weapon by a shaman of their choosing is permitted, but not required.
Body armor is forbidden.
Each participant must have at least one witness.
If both participants refuse to fight one another, they are banished from the clan.[6]
Traditionally, it is to the death, but under Warchief Thrall's rule it became a non-lethal combat, similiar to Warsong's Mak'Rogahn. Participants can choose to forgo this change.[1] However, even when operating under the old rules, the victor can choose to spare the loser's life.[5]
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>>323401226
He used it to kill as though it were a weapon, it counts. Hell he himself even changed the rules of Mak'gora to prevent to the death.

Even then he used armor which he wasn't allowed and even acted like he wasn't to blame for Garrosh. He was to blame for a large majority of it and didn't even bother to help Garrosh out one bit, but had all the time in the world to go to Hyjal and get married, or the fact he left him with Vol'jin to advise him. Vol'jin's first advice was "I'm glad your family is dead and I hate you." before Garrosh had even done anything.
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>>323401536
yes in the original mak'gora between the two in WotLK they're just straight up dueling in their armor and throwing their class abilities around (yes this includes elemental attacks for Thrall)
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>>323401326
Shattering mentions it, only weapon imbues are allowed by Shaman, no elements.
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>>323401226
Thrall himself shouted out that he isn't fighting alone. He declared that the elements were a new combatant and that he was breaking the rules.
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>>323401282
He's Chris Metzen's vanity character that allows him to insert himself in the WoW universe and have millions of players watch him vanquish bosses on their behalf. It was ridiculous that players didn't actually kill Deathwing, they just tickled his feet and back and then Thrall did the actual deed.

It's embarrassing that Blizzard leadership has let him get away with this crap for so long
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>>323401103
There's more rules than that and Garrosh didn't listen to them either

It wasn't a legit "traditional" mak'gora from the onset. So it just became a regular old fashioned duel to the death, and Thrall one because Garrosh was pissbaby.
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>>323401326
He himself shouted it.

The issue isnt that he used the elements.

Its that he used them and declared he wasnt fighting alone.
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>>323401641
Surprise, Blizz doesn't remember their own lore.
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>>323399364

>Thrall's once again at his lowest point
>Sargeras arrives in Azeroth and fights him while the raid watches
>He steals his soul and banishes Thrall to the twisting nether
>Aggra outta nowhere makes you go on a series of sequences to get her bae back
>After rescuing Thrall and giving him back his mojo, he proceeds to solo Sargeras and kills him and all demons forever
>Thrall's boy becomes the new warchief because Vol'Jin dies
>All the alliance leaders, Illidan, Bolvar, and other important people show up to the coronation ceremony
>18 months of doing the same raid until WoW-2 comes out
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>>323401715
And that's why the elements have abandoned him, because he's one of the most ignorant gary stus ever.
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>>323401836

>>All the alliance leaders go neutral

Fixed that for you senpai
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>>323401836
>KJ shows up
>The Lava King turns the Scourge on him in a fit of pottery
>KJ still butthurt about it
>realizes Ner'zhul is still in there
>magics him in control
>Wrath of the Lava King time

Also Vol'jin is gone, Sylvanas is Warchief/Queen of the Horde in Legion. I hope she used Trollbane to kill that stupid faggot.
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>>323401564
so where does it state a shaman can't use elements? It doesn't
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>>323402083
>must fight alone

The elements are a separate entity that Shamans call upon. Only weapon imbues are allowed.
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>>323402198
ok that seems quite logical from a lore perspective.
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Neither Thrall nor Garrosh obeyed the rules in their final mak'gora.

So who cares if Thrall called on the elements?
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>>323402303
Just because the other person is not honorable, doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable as well.

Besides Garrosh's only dishonor in Mak'gora was he had some slight armor, he was mostly naked and wearing cloth with Gorehowl. He was surprisingly more honorable than Thrall during that.

They both broke every rule imaginable though in the WotLK launch.
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>>323402046
>All alliance leaders go neutral
>Except for the important ones, they just straight up get killed in some shitty. off-screen way
>all the neutral leaders promote horde favoritism
>Stormwind park is finally rebuilt
>It's a bunch of tents for dindu nufffin war refugees
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>>323397984
>>323399016

Is this seriously happening?
Is Thrall finally getting what he deserves for being a dindu nuffin cheating faggot?
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>>323402576
mmo-champ is usually correct so yeah it's happening. He'll get his shit back together for the last patch of Legion though.
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>>323402513
>Just because the other person is not honorable, doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable as well.

lol what sort of chump are you

this was a fight to the death, they were both out for blood. Garrosh knew what he was getting into fighting a shaman. He got cocky and died like the chump he is.
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>>323402530

>Stormwind park is rebuilt
>It's a Horde embassy
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>>323402576
He should be dying like the other Horde leaders, instead he's only being stripped of his powers because he's Metzens pet surely to return at the end of the xpac and triumphantly kill the final boss for your raid group
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>>323402530

No, the tents are for the male humans, who moved out of their homes so they could house orc refugees.
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>>323402720
>surely to return at the end of the xpac and triumphantly kill the final boss for your raid group
like I said earlier, he'll have his own Lightsaber-esque glowy lightning elemental version of Doomhammer and it will be glorious.
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>>323401024
Shaman Playable characters do way more shit and their elements dont bat an eye
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>>323397984
ITS NOT EVEN A FUCKING SHAMAN WEAPON, ITS JUST A PLAIN ASS ORC WEAPON

ITS A FUCKING ROCK ON A STICK

ITS WAS NEVER MADE TO BE A SHAMAN WEAPON

THE LAST PERSON WHO HAD DOOM HAMMER WASN'T A SHAMAN, AND THE PERSON BEFORE HIM WASN'T A SHAMAN

JUST BECAUSE THRALL HAD DOESN'T FUCKING MAKE IT A SHAMAN WEAPON.
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>>323402647
And Thrall should have known what he was getting into fighting Garrosh. If he can't fight to the death for the very rule he himself changed, then don't fight. He was clearly at a disadvantage when it came to physical 1v1, then he had to shout that he wasn't alone and the elements were by his side. Now he's shit out of luck.

If Thrall was so great in the first place, then he should have been able to kill Garrosh outright. Garrosh didn't do anything wrong anyways, he just straight up overpowered Thrall.
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Will Thrall and Jaina finally fuck so we can unite the Alliance and Horde and live happily ever after?
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human shamans when
i want to play as a female qt human Avatar
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>>323403014
luckily it's their lore and they can rewrite their shit all they want.
this is the description of the Doomhammer in WoW:
Forged in elemental lava on the orc homeworld of Draenor, this massive hammer is connected deeply with the elements, and its true power is only awakened in the hands of those who can speak to the elements in kind. The Doomhammer was long wielded by Orgrim Doomhammer, one of the greatest orc warriors of the Horde, and now rests with Thrall, one of the most powerful shaman Azeroth has ever known.
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>>323402530

>Stormwind allows all the Horde refugees from the war with the Legion to live with them
>Dozens off fem nelves, humans and gnomes are sexually assaulted and mugged by thousands of orcs
>Varian tells them to keep an arm's length from the orcs as a safety measure
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>>323401836
don't forget illidan redeeming himself in a sappy cutscene.

holy shit the writing is gonna be DISGUSTING
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>>323403257
>Varian orders the mages to conjure up watercannons to keep the angry mob of victims away from the keep
This shit just writes itself
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>>323403259
Last time I genuinely enjoyed the writing in WoW was patch 2.1 Black Temple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-C-_PJTa4

It's been a dumpster fire since then
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>>323403014
>shaman will NEVER EVER fight with a giant fucking tauren war totem
reminder a fucking sombrero got added to the game before a wieldable totem.
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>Varian and voljin die

Weeeeeelp I guess it was expected with the loveboner that Sylvanas and Varians gay son are getting.
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>>323403014
BUT THEY RETCONNED IT TO BE FORGED IN ELEMENTAL LAVA
ELEMENTAL LAVA ANON
ELEMENTAL
LAVA
since fire is an element, all lava would be elemental lava
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>>323402513
>there have only been two in game mak'gora
>first one, they're both in full armor and Thrall uses shaman magic
>second Mak'gora rolls around and suddenly it's cheating

Mak'gora's rules were previously changed by Thrall before, he might've added some rule for spell casters.

And none of this even mentions the fact that he killed Blackmoore using the elements. He was already defeated but he killed him because he hated his fucking guts, the elements didn't do jack shit.

Just sloppy writing so everyone can get Doomhammers, except unlike with the Ashbringer and Tirion, the writers didn't have the balls to kill off Thrall.
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>>323403416
Akama = me
Karabor = pre-WoD wow
Orcs = WoD
Illidan = Legion

Just fuck my game up senpai
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>>323403014
I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS IS THAT THRALL IS OBVIOUSLY A ELE SHAMAN AND ENH GETS THE DAMN HAMMER INSTEAD OF GETTING THE DAMN CLAWS THEY COULD ACTUALLY USE
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>>323403161
No.

We'll get Anduin and Thrall's boy having a gay politically correct relationship to unite the Horde and Alliance instead.
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>>323403645
"I prefer to remember the game as it used to be; not the abomination it has become."

Fits alarmingly well
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>>323403468
Varian is just gonna chill for the first part of the expansion and show up with Thrall for the last patch.
If he was seriously killed off he'd give up his Shalamayne to be artifacts instead of the no named shit we're getting.
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>>323403219
I feel like a idiot for being the rise of the horde book to prep my self for warlords. Nothing in that fucking book is relevant because of how much retconning they did to make warlords possible.

Nerzhul and Orgrim changes being the worst offenders.
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>>323397984
i stopped paying attention a while back

is green jesus still buddah or not?
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>>323403865
He'll be running around with amnesia again slaughtering demons with sticks. I guarantee it.
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>>323403942
Apparently since he killed with vengeance and hatred he lost his powers.
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>>323397984
>Doesn't die

that someone clearly doesn't think hes ENOUGH of a faggot as he is.
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>>323403014

Yeah but it glows fucking blue m8, it's clearly enchanted and since orcs don't use arcane that enchant clearly is elemental spirits chilling in it.
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>>323404449
Guaranteed Metzen vetoed his death. 99% of players wouldn't give a flying fuck if he died
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>>323397984
Oh good, can't wait for former shaman/dual wield fury warrior Thrall to kill that bastard Saurfang!

Fuck you Metzen
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I can't believe this is the art they showcased for the WoD art panel at Blizzcon only to get shafted unfinished bald guy shit.
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>>323404316
well this is just turning into no greater good anime bullshit isn't it

what's he gonna do, believe in himself and the elements just go fuck it we cool now

isn't there dark shammys or some shit?
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>>323404496
That's just because it was forged in ELEMENTAL LAVA the blue glow is because it's so hot :^)
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>Another Expansion where Thrall KS the boss
WHY
WON'T
YOU
DIE
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>>323403865
>>323404284
Vol'jin and Varian running around on a b-road trip sounds pretty cool.

It's not like this is the first time either of them have been declared missing or dead.
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>>323403901

Isn't everything in WoD thats different not related to Garroshs changes by being there simply a result of the time line being different?
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>>323404608
Dark shammy force the elements to due their bidding, but everything is corrupted and shit. Thats just from what I remember in the siege raid.
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>Vol'jin dies
>Thrall gets to keep living
IT'S NOT FAIR
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>>323404770
Vol'jin is not an interesting character. Never has been.
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I hope the Elements Revive Garrash and he becomes the new Warchief
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>>323404660
I'm almost positive that Varian is dead.

Vol'jin not so much.

>inb4 they killed Vol'jin to make it fair to the Alliance
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>Orcs eventually outnumber the regular alliance population
>Anduin decrees that all non-orcs must give up their living space for their orc brethren and share their wives to improve relations
>Stormwind gets renamed to New Ogimmar out of respect for Orc culture
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>>323404770
>Vol'jin dies
don't worry mon
Da Darkspear neva die!
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>>323404770
>Varian dies
>Vol'jin dies
>Thrall still lives
>Sylvanas is now Warchief
>Baine still does nothing because Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner when they killed off Cairne and they have no fucking clue what to do with him
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>>323404558
>Saurfang!

GLORY TO THE WARCHIEF

THE ONLY WARCHIEF

THE TRUE WARCHIEF
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>>323401836
The most outrageous thing in this list is thinking the Alliance leaders will do anything save for die or stand around as background noise.
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>>323404953
He's out adventuring in Highmountain making first hand relations with the native Tauren.
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>>323398649
What do you mean cheated?
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>>323405024
>Implying that's a major role
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after all this time the alliance become background races to their own planet
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>>323405117
seems pretty tauren like to me. They're probably smoking the dankest herbs of Highmountain in their massive peace pipes.
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>>323404759
>>323404608

It's basically implied that you can somehow bully the elemental spirits into serving you.

How? beats the hell out of me since elementals seem pretty over powered.

During the Cata a lot of dark shammies just seemed like mages who used Arcane magic to subjugate elementals, so there really isn't any explanation for normal shamans in how they bully elementals without some other form of magic.
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>>323405003
They will be there to clap for the new warchief while sucking some nearby orc dick. No one attends Varian's funeral, and they build a statue of Thrall on his grave.
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>>323405274
You're better off not asking questions about these things. Technically fire magic should be gone since Raggy was destroyed in the elemental plane but they just handwaved that bit of lore and most likely retconned it
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>>323405274
My only guess is that dark shamans during SoG were doing so via old god kool-aid that garrosh had.
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>itt, wowfags bitch about the lore in a dying MMO that has gotten so bad that Blizzard has completely dropped all pretense of caring about the lore
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>>323405434
The new King will set shit straight. Including his fuccboi son and his orc/dragon crush.

Sylvanas new warchief? No fucking problem, says this literal beast king.

The lore has literally nowhere to go but up.
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>>323405469
pretty much they made it so lord only lord over some shit and not every single spell cast etc.
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>>323403416
>Dis, was our land...
>Troll land!
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>>323401836
>All the alliance leaders, Illidan, Bolvar, and other important people show up to the coronation ceremony

do they all have a round of applause while saying Congratulations?
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>>323405274
My understanding is that shaman use the elements with their consent. They form a contract with an elemental or something and borrow their power.
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>>323405274
Instead of asking for the power of the elements they just take it, which corrupts the element in question.
No clue about how exactly they take it, but that's the gist of it.
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Just look at these braids, this nigga needs his hair back.
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>>323405571
Oh yeah, that wasn't bad either

>You wanna stay?! You stay here forever!! We gonna bury you here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmndxoF74qQ
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>>323405469

What? No that isn't and has never been a part of warcraft lore. The only thing Rag has in common with mages is that in the rpg books they said that rag can turn any fire spell against a mage.

When a mage makes fire, he's using arcane which is reality breaking shit, to spontaneously make fire and throw it at you.

When a shaman makes fire, he talks to an omnipresent collective consciousness of all fire or a nearby fire elemental to make some fire for him .

Rag dying won't stop a mage from shooting fire, and for shamans there is always a fire elemental who doesn't give a fuck about rag.
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>>323405586

of courshe
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>>323405586
>Quest Accepted; Pay your respects
>Kneel before the new warchief to pay your respects

>>323405775
Yes it has, magic is drawn from the elemental planes and if the warden dies (in fire's case raggy) the magic dissipates. Arcane isn't used to make fire.
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>enjoy playing my warlock/pally at max levels
>leveling up my druid/monk is more boring than generic f2p korean shit

how does blizzard do it
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Why does Blizzard constantly have to write the story so we just jump from danger to danger?

Why can there never be shit like
>we come back from whatever the fuck we were doing and meanwhile things have gone completely to shit back home
It's always
>we come back from whatever the fuck we were doing and THEN the BIG BAD THING happens
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>>323405948
what r u tanking with druids and monks? If so then they're boring.
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>>323405968
Because the game is catered towards children and mentally challenged casuals who wouldn't understand a story that has an ounce of depth to it. So they go with the safest route possible
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>>323399016

Thrall used the Elements on Draenor to help him though. Why would the Azeroth elemental lords be salty?
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>>323404980
Chuck Norris is Saurfang IRL.
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As an Alliancefag I vastly prefer Garrosh. Garrosh was intellectually honest about the Horde being warmongers, Thrall is a faggot that pretends the Horde is all about peace and love whilst ignoring all the war and atrocities the Horde commits.

Garrosh did nothing wrong when it came to the Horde.
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>haven't touched WoW in almost three years
>mostly been playing FFXIV lately and it's pretty shit compared to FFXI, but still scratches that MMO itch well enough
>groups are actually pretty sociable in general, or otherwise not actively unpleasant to be around
>at the very least party members toss out a "hey" and "thanks" at some point
>resub to WoW for old times' sake
>join a pug
>literally the first thing I see in party chat is "would you please leave? I don't like your attitude."
>I had not said a single word
What happened to the genre?
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>>323406243
What he did was literally what dark shaman did in soo.
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>>323406526
Garithos did nothing wrong
Garrosh did nothing wrong
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>tfw

Legion - Durotar - Vol'jin's Funeral
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>>323405935

>Magic is drawn from the elemental planes
Arcane has come from the twisting nether since WC II m8.

The elemental planes have always been a prison since their introduction. Elementals started out as mage constructs when they first appeared in WC with very limited lore.

I forget when, but their lore was expanded upon into being elemental beings trapped in the elemental planes. Around this time blizzard started formulating Old Gods and shit, basically directly taking from August Derleth's Cthulhu Mythos. In this, H.P Lovecraft's publisher/friend included a bunch of gay shit in the lovecraft lore such as grecco-roman and norse inspired humanoid gods of order called elder gods and gave elemental attunements to the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods (I.E Cthulhu = water, Yogg = Air, Hastur = fire). Blizzard liked the idea and from then on Elementals were chaotic creations of the old gods imprisoned in a plane of chaos away from mortals.

They had jack shit to do with shamans and mages just enslaved them and shit. At the time shamans got their power from the elemental spirits, which were omnipresent deities or tiny sprites that live in their respective element, it's inconsistent. Elementals and elemental spirits were two completely different things until the tail end of BC where blizzard said they were related (metzen made a tweet saying elementals were expressions of the elemental spirit). Instead of being old god creations, they were just natural beings that were the first to be enslaved by the old gods.
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>>323406849
Pretty sure that was retconned since its part of the RPG book lore which is all non-canon now.
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>>323406849
to be fair it makes more sense for them this way instead of being tied to Old Gods.
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>>323405098
>challenge of physical combat because all orcs are just green niggers and love to brawl
>lol no, eat magic fag
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>>323407017

The first part is retconned, since now elementals are shaman related.

When AQ was out they were nothing but Old God toys, unrelated to shamans. I have never heard of Rag having anything to do with preventing mages from doing whatever the hell they wanted.

It's explained best in WC III when Drek'thar is explaining shamanism to thrall.

Thrall asks whats the difference between a shaman killing someone with lightning or a warlock making you burn from the inside, magic is magic.

Drek'thar replies saying that while the end result is the same, the lightning is a natural phenomenon, an extension of the elements, a warlocks hellfire is instead twisting and warping reality to cause the fire.
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>>323407158

I agree, like most things it's a result of different writers having different ideas.

One fag liked the subtle unseen spirits for shamans and then elementals were introduced and blizzard wasn't sure if they should be related.
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>>323398389
Thrall gets an Ashbringer
Bolvar Fordragon gets Doomhammer
there must always be, a warchief! lokĀ“tar!
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>Sylvanas warchief
>Gets cucked by Greymane in a stalemate
>Leads way for Baine "Moohammed" (pbuh) to lead the faction to glorious golden era

The lore is finally on the right path.
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>>323408974

Baine doesn't have a goddamn clue how to run an organization.
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>>323408974
now if only they'd fucking update the Tauren Shaman's totems...
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>>323409231
He kicked the Grimtotem out of Mulgore. His dad couldn't even accomplish that.
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>>323409465

His dad didn't want to, because the Grimtotems facilitated the peace deal which got the Forsaken into the Horde in the first place. Notice how Sylvanas has consistently given the Kalimdor Horde the middle finger ever since the Grimtotems lost power?
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Cairne in HotS when?
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>>323408974
He's a big guy even for a Tauren
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>>323408974
So is the Horde on 1 warchief per expansion now?
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>>323406830
he was a good warchief for all two of those fucking minutes he was in office.
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>>323397984

>excuse to not kill him off

blizzard post warcraft 3 writing ;)
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>>323410257
He was Warchief for an entire expansion. But he decided to give Thrall and Khadgar control of the entire horde.
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>>323410257
>cleans up Org after SoO
>sits around in WoD
>dies

10/10 Warchief
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>>323404980

He's too old man. It's why he wouldn't step up as warchief.

Plus he was a soldier, not a political leader. He doesn't know how to bear the weight of the crown (or whatever their equivalent is)
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>>323408974
Baine needs at least one expansions worth of character development or even exposition to be actual warchief material.

We dont know shit about him.
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>>323405098
The rules of the duel they were having was that only 1 weapon can be used, as soon as thrall was getting rekt he pulled out multiple weapons (the elements) to win

Never has a cutscene made the general population hate someone so fast
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>>323412764
yeah cuz the elements are "multiple weapons"....
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>>323413226
They are. You want to argue that it's fine that a shaman uses his elemental powers to fight in a duel that's one thing but then he can't use the Doomhammer. It's a traditional duel between two warriors but you can't honestly believe that using the forces of the earth and lightning to fight with you doesn't count any less than having a razorblade in your fucking shoe.

Beyond that it also breaks the rules of multiple combatants. He's not just using magic. He's asking the primal forces of Draenor which are things with physical form and thoughts to do shit for him. That's no different than if he summoned like a Felguard to fight for him.

Thrall was also trained as a warrior all his life so don't give any bullshit like "he's just a wimpy shaman he needed to".

You get a weapon and then you go at it. The second you bring anything else into the fight you're under scrutiny of breaking the rules with the vast majority of people (and apparently the elements on some level) know he did.

Also Garrosh didn't have a witness.
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>>323404698
It is not the same timeline, its just a similar one.
Like, in this specific one Garrosh was never born on Draenor.
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>>323406243
All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does, therefor there is only one of them.

Or maybe Draenor Ragnaros called up Azeroth Ragnaros and said ay boi this thrall guys a huge faggot, don't give him power or you'll regret it, dig?
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>>323411780
>Soldier
>War
>Chief

I don't think you know what that word means.

Garrosh was wrong, but he was right about a very basic principle.
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>People complain that Thrall is a killstealing faggot
>"b-b-but muh mukgorah rules" bullshit
>Legion confirms it was cheating
>Thrall apologists on suicide watch

My Goblin Shaman will take good care of the Doomhammer.
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>>323413570
>You want to argue that it's fine that a shaman uses his elemental powers to fight in a duel that's one thing but then he can't use the Doomhammer
That's the thing, he didn't need Doomhammer at all when he fried him.
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>>323400753
because Wow is recycled capeshit. see the new thor comics where he is found unworthy and has to pass on mjolnir to someone else.
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>>323416768
He still fought with the Doomhammer. Had he only used "the elements" I'd still say it's bullshit but there's a grey area there. It's the fact he fought Garrosh with the Doomhammer and then did the elemental stuff not to finish off but because he was getting his ass kicked.

You can't go in there with a knife and then pull out a gun when you're losing, shoot the dindu, and then go "no man like I didn't even need the knife I had the gun the whole time see".
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Doomhammer is an unreliable mass produced piece of shit in the first place. It wasn't Doomhammer which killed Mannorath, it was Gorehowl. Twice. Doomhammer is so embarrassing as a trademark weapon. Meanwhile the 'hero' has held everything from Ragnaros' personal weapon to Atiesh to millenia old glaives.
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>>323416706
>Garrosh apologist

He did plenty of "cheating" with the elements before. This is an asspull to take Thrall out of the limelight.

Someone at Blizzard was fired by Metzen for the good of the franchise. Bless that person.
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>>323417065
Gorehowl is mass produced as fuck though, it was a BC drop
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>>323417132
Which is fucking bullshit Blizzard said they'd explain, then didn't because it made no sense to begin with.
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>>323417202
Yeah I never understood why demon mccuntface had Gorehowl in the first place. You'd think Thrall would take it from Grom's corpse after Mcdonald the Demon was killed.
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>>323417289
It had something to do with warping space time or whatever were you were so while it was A Gorehowl it wasn't necessarily the Gorehowl our Grom had.
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>>323401172
I just hope they don't give Ashbringer to some faggot or even worse - tauren.
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>>323417004
Either way the logic used here is flawed and it's pretty much all headcanon until they clear it up with more storytelling.
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>>323417457
Oh god no not Dezco, that won't ever fucking happen.
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>>323402576
>what he deserves

No, everyone BUT Thrall dies, so he didn't get what he deserved.
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>>323417570
But Dezco is the only nonretarded NPC on the horde? Unless you count Chen.
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WHY THE FUCK
IS HE BALD?
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>>323402643
>the last patch of Legion

7.1?
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>>323417778
Cos metzen is bald.
Green Jesus must always be metzen.
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>>323417512
I agree that the elements give no fucks about the duel but I'm still talking about the duel being what it was.

I truly think Blizzard sees that fans like or hate something but they don't get why.

>Garrosh is a whiney bitch faggot
>We hate Garrosh
>They make Garrosh not shit
>SEE THEY HATE GARROSH
>Garrosh does Warchief things like blowing shit up and telling queen bitch to fuck off
>Some people like garrosh and the people who don't like him hate his actions (which is different then thinking a character is stupid)
>SEE THEY HATE HIM STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT SoO NOW NOW NOW
>They turn Thrall into a hippy green jesus mary sue
>SEE THEY LOVE THRALL
>Culminates in the duel in which people liked Garrosh and hated Thrall to begin with
>Lot's of people call out a character they do not like on their bullshit
>HAHA THE ELEMENTS HATED THE DUEL TOO WE'LL REDEEM THRALL DON'T WORRY FANS

Like it's not that Thrall won or even cheated. Nobody has cared about Thrall for a long fucking time so you have a shit character kill off a character at least some people liked in a fucked up way. If Thrall was beloved by everyone sure you'd have autists point out he "didn't win fair" but most people would just have went "haha our Thrall what a scamp".
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>>323417289

>All realities, all dimensions are open to me!

He says it himself bro
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>>323403257
They need a wall and they need to build it with horde gold
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>>323417512
How is any of that flawed
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>>323417912
headcanon.
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>>323417778

>Why is the self insert of the balding writer a bald orc?

Anon...
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>>323418021
Whatever you say bro.
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>>323418015
its flawed because the poster is assuming using the elements is a "weapon" even though there's simply no concrete evidence to solidify that as a truth.
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>>323416053
>All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does

Not it doesn't. Source on where you hear that bullshit.

It's confirmed in TBC by the elemental throne that Draenor/Outland has its own lords.
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>>323397984
>Elements on Azeroth are talking to the elements on Alternative Draenor
That's weird,

Now I want fanart of a fire elemental from Draenor talking to a earth elemental on Azeroth and calling Thrall a fagget.
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>>323416053
Isn't Legion supposed to bring everything back into the orig timeline because blizz admitted forking timelines was a mistake?
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>>323418030
Am I the only one that thinks he has plenty of hair on head?
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>>323401836
>>Thrall's boy becomes the new warchief because Vol'Jin dies
You mean when Azeroth realizes Sylvanas goes Lich King 2.0: "I Serve The Horde" edition and kills her and all her 1-UP val'kyr, right?
Because Vol'jin's already going to die in Legion.
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>>323418167
>No concrete evidence

Well I guess you cannot use the evidence provided to come to a very clear conclusion.

But guess what we will never get the official rules of Mak'gora that accounts for literally every single possibility within a match so you're right. Since there's no complete and exact stipulation on the Mak'gora rule book we'll just go with it was a completely fair and honest duel with no deviations.

Now that I think about it I guess Garrosh didn't have a weapon in the first place. I mean he had an axe but at the end of the day that's just a lump of sharp metal that he just happened to use to try and kill Thrall. That's really no more a weapon than Thralls Shaman powers.

You're fucking delusional.
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>>323404953

>Varian dies

Good one m8

>Varian goes full Lo'gosh, breaking his swords apart again in the cinematic
>Suddenly there is a mysterious Brotherhood of the Wolf faction
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>>323406243
In a short story, the spirits of Draenor were described as being fearful of Garrosh when he first arrived on Alt-Draenor. They were aware he was an outsider of the timeline and perhaps even that he had employed Dark Shamanism. My guess is that if the spirits dont like you, they mark you as being a huge faggot.
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>>323418405

He has standard balding 101 hair, it's clearly thinning on the top.
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>>323401728
And Illidan was only killed thanks to Maiev

Arthas was killed thanks to Tirion.
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>>323418329

And how exactly does this crackpot rumor of yours explain Gul'dan being alive again?
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>>323405231
>You will never accompany Baine on his travels and share peace pipes with him as he reminisces about his father

Why live.
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>>323404541
I doubt anyone would give a fuck if any important character died besides lorefags.
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>>323401728
>It was ridiculous that players didn't actually kill Deathwing, they just tickled his feet and back and then Thrall did the actual deed.

Why does this feel like a stand out to you? No final boss between OG Kel'Thuzad and neo-Archimonde was killed by players.

Players didn't kill Illidan, Maiev did
Players didn't kill Lich King, Tirion/Ghosts did
Players didn't kill Garrosh, Thrall did.

WoD was literally the first ever expansion where the players directly killed the last boss themselves.
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>>323418314
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>>323418985
>And how exactly does this crackpot rumor of yours explain Gul'dan being alive again?

Again? Did you not see the final WoD cinematic? Archimonde tossed Alt-Gul'dan through the portal back to our Azeroth to "finish the job"
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>>323418985

Are you misreading his post?

He said bringing it back, not "pretending the other timeline doesn't exist". The game is being played in the normal timeline next expansion. Gul'dan isn't alive "again", main Gul'dan is still dead, it's the alternate Gul'dan from WoD that is doing shit in Legion.
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>>323419115
Well said
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>>323419115
>WoD was literally the first ever expansion where the players directly killed the last boss themselves.
Not really because even in that fight we got help from Khadgar, Yrel and Grom.
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>>323419195

Sorry, I was under the impression anon was implying WoD was getting handwaved away as having not happened in an alternate timeline. It's late.
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>>323419420

None of them stood out as the final blow in text, cutscene or otherwise. It was players who shanked his health to 0.
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>>323419420

>had help

Precisely, HELP, it was still players who killed him. At no point did he freeze our raid as Khadgar took him down, or we all died as Yrel got the final blow.

Unlike all other bosses, who had their killing blow specifically removed from players hands to be done by an NPC.
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>>323419115

Illidan wasn't the last boss of TBC, Kil'jaeden was. Players receive less / the same amount of outside assistance against him as they do against WoD Archimonde, and he winds up just as dead.
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this thread makes me want to play WoW
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>>323419543
>Illidan wasn't the last boss of TBC, Kil'jaeden was.

Tossaway filler raids are shit. TBC was Illidan, or else you're conceding that WotLK's main boss was Halion.

Also, KJ wasn't killed in his fight.
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>>323419543
Kil'Jaeden wasn't killed, padre. And by your logic that fucking gay Ruby dragon was the final boss of Wrath.
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>>323419605

>Sunwell
>Resolution of pretty much all of TBC's major plot points going back as far as T5, which was in at launch.
>Tossaway filler

And Archimonde is just as not dead as a result of WoD. You can't kill Eredar lords on the material plane.
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>>323419756

Sunwell wasn't filler, the expansion title is burning crusade ffs
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>>323420412
That's what the anon is saying, it's >>323419605
who claims that Archimonde is the filler. The anon you are responding to says it's not a filler.
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>>323420538

Yeah I misquoted
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>>323408974
>Peace-loving cow as a warchief.

Unless Tauren suddenly become thirsty for war, then, he has no place as Warchief. He'd probably downgrade Ogrimmar with hide tents and windmills. Ogrimmar needs another Garrosh. Same with Stormwind. It needs the Scarlet Crusade.
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>Varian dies at the beginning
>Sylvanas, continuing her unusually charitable streak from the opening cinematic, raises him as an undead and gives him the chance to keep fighting the legion, no strings attached
>doesn't go back to stormwind because they can't have an undead king, no one would be ok with that
>is still fighting demons when we find him half way through the expansion
r8
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I am so fucking sick of this green jesus bullshit, please kill him off already.
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>>323421295

>WoW written by a 13 year old edgelord
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>>323421297
8/8 it will probably happen
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>>323421404
>Let's take out the War in Warcraft.

Without conflict, PVP is useless lore-wise.
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>>323397984
Shamans can't kill cunts now?
What?
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>mfw vol'jin won't die
>mfw it was all a ruse
>mfw he comes back from some secret mission and preforms a 360noscopeMLG montage on Sylvanas for some reason
>mfw i resub to WoW because of that
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>>323397984
even the fucking Hammer is corrupted?
for fuck sake
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>>323421596
It'd be because Thrall killed Garrosh dishonorably

In their duel you're not meant to be allowed armor or magic, and Thrall used both
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>>323421704
>reading comprehension
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>>323421297
Damn nigger i want to see this
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>YOU... DID... THIS... TO ME

what did he mean by this, bros?
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>>323421913

It's called shifting the blame

>I'm not at fault for my actions, you are because you gave me the option to choose to be an ass.
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Is doomhammer 2h?
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>>323421678

>resub to wow
> 'oh man! i forgot how fun this game actually is!'

1 week laterr

>well i guess i can run some dailies on my maxed out main. could get a heroic raid going so i can maybe get a piece of armor that makes my abilities 3% more useful. might as well level an alt in a class ive never maxed. yeah. thatll keep my interest...

i wish it wasnt like this anon
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>>323422087
>might as well level an alt in a class ive never maxed.

I won't even have that excuse soon, I have 10 level 100s and DK is at 75.
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>>323399016
>Blizzard are actually going to make Thrall accept his role in Garrosh and the Hordes undoing
HOLY FUCK BALLS
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>Shaman class title confirmed Farseer
neat
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>>323421913

He was a big crybaby. Thrall made him leader, didn't mean he had to act like Hitler just cause he didn't know what to do with it.
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>>323422056
No. Enh Shaman will wield a lava element 'copy' of Doomhammer in their offhand for Lava Lashing.
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>>323421949

This is the most retarded thing i have ever heard
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>>323422171
Feel your pain.

I laughed at you all when you said MMORPG was a dying genre. But it's time to admit /v/ was right about something.
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>>323416983
>Thor
>he
Check your fucking privilege
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I just want Arthas and Illidan back, everyone else can bite it for all that I care
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>>323397984
What? Thrall killed Garrosh? Last i remember he was all against it and he prisoned him.
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this shit doesn't even make sense. doomhammer is just a chunk of metal. thrall can commune with the elements independent of it. also he kill garrosh of alternate-draenor, why would the elements on azeroth give a shit?
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>>323397984
people still pay $15 a month to get cucked for no content?

Think about it.

YOU PAY MONEY FOR NO RETURN

>inb4 hurr but u pay 4 da privalege of using duh survursss
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>>323422731

>Garrosh of alternate draenor

Nigga u dumb
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>>323422794
i meant on
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>>323399016

>elemental lords of Draenor have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide and mutate the Draenei
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide Azeroth
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting powers to space aliens in general
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems with continuing to grant powers to the heroes who constantly fought them and foiled their plans time and time again

>Thrall uses elemental powers to kill Garrosh as justice for a catastrophic war which killed most of the orcs on Azeroth and ruined Pandaria
>NOPE THRALLS A FAGET FUCK THAT GUY SUCK MY ELEMENTAL EMBALMED FLAMING DICK GREEN MOSES
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>>323422768
"no content" lol. Yeah, you're probably 13/13m I presume
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>>323422867

Nigga you can't write properly and thus confusing people on the internet

U still dumb
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>>323422915

>Mythic difficulty is "Content"

I bet you think Mythic Dungeons and Timewalking is content too huh?
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>>323423025
t. LFR hero
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>>323422543
Thrall made him the leader when literally everyone including Garrosh was saying not to make Garrosh the leader. Then Thrall decided that instead of helping Garrosh become a good leader he would make his council a Troll that was jealous and admitted he was going to assassinate Garrosh and a Tauren that refused to believe anything Garrosh said and ended up dying in a duel for it. So in the end Garrosh learned nothing except how to not trust the other races because they didn't trust him while Thrall was busy fucking his wife to visit a single time.

The entire fucking thing is Thralls fault.
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>>323422915
>hasn't done all the difficulty levels = hasn't seen or done the content meme.

When will this meme die?

Shills really must try hard to pretend they aren't being buttfucked by actijew.

top lel.

I have no sympathy for you.
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>>323422676
yeah Thrall has been a temperamental and useless fuck story-wise.
He killed Garrosh as he decided. Let's not let the player finish Garrosh off. No I challenge Garrosh to a fight. And he basically crushes Garrosh with a stone hand out of the ground.
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>>323398649
Came to post this desu
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>>323416053
>All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does, therefor there is only one of them.
That sounds so retarded and taken out of ass it might be true
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Wow, Thrall haters cried so much that they won and lore was retconed
Just like with cata heroics and being forced to find dungeon before using lfg for it
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>>323422875
>>elemental lords of Draenor have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide and mutate the Draenei
>>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide Azeroth

Except thats the whole point of warlocks as the elements abandoned them
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>>323422875
?

When the First Horde began slaughtering the Dranei, on Nerzhul's instruction, the elements stopped talking to them. Their Shaman could no longer channel elements nor talk to their ancestors. That's one of the main reasons they drank the Demon Blood. The Dranei were too resilient and they couldn't take Shattrath in their weakened non-element powered state.

There were almost no Horde Shaman for a long time. Not until Thrall and the second Horde.
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>>323423054
what a false dichotomy. People didn't quit in vanilla after they had done all the raid instances once.

If you consider queuing up in LFR being done with the game, then I dont understand why you ever played wow, or why you are in this thread, to begin with
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>>323416053
That's blatantly untrue. The Elements are localised planetary phenomenon. The ones on Azeroth didn't even exist in their own 'planes' until the Titans locked them in there because they were running around being giant faggots. Presumably the Elements on Azeroth were stronger and more volatile while not contained because the Well of Eternity made everything pretty broken in that time.
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>They have this big story about Vol'jin becoming the new Warchief after Garrosh becomes Hitler and goes to panda prison
>After becoming Warchief does absolutely fucking nothing the entirety of Warlords of Draenor
>Now spoilers hint at him dying somewhere in Legion

Why did they even fucking bother if they weren't going to do anything with it? Horde may as well have not had a Warchief at all
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>>323423461
I think they want to establish the fact that non-orc warchiefs will not be stable options for the horde.

I hope eitrigg becomes interim warchief until Thrall's pals growning up.
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>>323423461
Blame wotlk kids
They hated Garrosh, so he was removed to pander them
Now they started to hate troll and thrall, so they were removed too
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>>323423583
sylvy chief now lmao
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>>323399016
>Doomhammer... it was like a dead weight in my hands
So doomhammer is not some elem magical weapon? It's fucking has nothing to do with shamans
Even blackhand used it
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lel, Thrall and Garrosh has already dueled and he sure as hell used magic back then with his weapon and they sure as hell didnt refuse him then unless the elements felt sorry cause he got his shit kicked in by the superior Orc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULaFQwfEy2g
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>>323423682
Doomerhammer is technically somewhat elementally magic. It contains the elemental magic of the lava of Draenor. There's a comic about Blackhand forging it and Orgrim getting it.
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>>323423732
why is thrall such a cuck?
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>>323423732
That's the whole thing you dumbass, they abandoned him because he misused his powers in such a fashion.
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>>323419756
You kill him in the twisting nether on mythic, he's dead jim.
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>>323424702
If Mythic is canon how does Archimonde return to Draenor to toss Guldan back into Azeroth before dying? We know that Guldan going to Azeroth is canon because it's the impetus for the new expansion. Therefore mythic HFC is non-canon and Archimonde is back in the Nether.
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>>323423025
I sure do love paying money to replay content I completed in 2008
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Since literally everyone on the horde gets to warchief now when is it my boi Lor'themar's turn?
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>>323425580

He doesn't want the job
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>>323416706
>Goblin Shaman
>literally bending elements to your will
>still better than Thrall
Amusing
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>>323426348
Goblins bribe them though.
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>>323424920
>paying money to replay content
>what are tokens
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>>323426542
Bribe them with what? Your rare geode collection?
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>>323426610
With tons of moolah, baby!
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>>323426610
They probably agree to plant trees or start fires some shit, whatever it Elementals want. Starting fires comes naturally to Goblins so they probably have a really good affinity with Fire elementals.
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>>323403416
God damn. Why are orcs such niggers?
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>>323403416
Akama = me
Karabor = pre-Wotlk wow
Orcs = Wotlk
Illidan = Legion

Just fuck my game up senpai
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Sylvanas as Warchief is fucking dumb.
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>>323423682
Yeah this is what I don't get at all.

Thrall was a warrior before he became a shaman and Ogrim wasn't a shaman at all.

So it makes no sense why he wouldn't be able to use Doomhammer.
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>>323427308
I wanna fuck sylvanas dumb
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Good evening. Find a flaw.
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>>323425580
aaayyy we wuzzz illidan and shieeet
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wc3nigger here, who is Thrall guilty of killstealing in WoW?
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>>323427549
>blood elf
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>>323427549

>elf
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>>323427602
SON of grommash
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>>323427602
grom's son
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>>323401897
But why would the elements of Azeroth give a fuck or even know about what Thrall did on Draenor.
And why would the elements being pissed at Thrall prevent Thrall from using Doomhammer?
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>>323429024
Cheap pandering for the wotlk kids
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GARROSH HAD TO DIE
AT ALL COSTS
THRALL DIDNU DO NUFFIN
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>>323429024
see
>>323418815
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>>323429447
That didn't answer either of those questions.
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>>323429587
It answered one at the least, assuming you aren't a fucking moron. If the elements and spirits of Draenor seemed to know what Garrosh had done then there's no reason why they couldn't know what Thrall had done.

Then again you're trying to find consistency is Warcraft of all things. You'd find more structure in a children's story book.
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Radical Garrosh is the only acceptable Garrosh.
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