>Elements in doomhammer refuse to help Thrall after he killed Garrosh so he is forced to give the hammer to someone else
at least there's someone in the game that thinks Thrall is a faggot
>Keep your eyes on Thrall. He's wounded. He's like to kill himself down here and I don't want to be the one to tell his wife!
>Doomhammer... it was like a dead weight in my hands. The elements were silent. It has been this way since I used it to slay Garrosh.
>Spirits... hear my call...
>Are you the so-called "World Shaman?" Hah! >You fight like a crippled pig.
>Hear me, elements of Azeroth.
>Once, we walked as one. I abused your powers for my own personal vendetta.
>Take back the Doomhammer! Grant it to one who is worthy.
>Teach me, and again I will be your servant.
my main nigga is Thrall but damn he needs his hair back.
Yeah sure he's getting knocked down a peg, but like every other time he's going to come back stronger, with bigger beads and even better posture.
Metzen won't allow his waifu to lose, it's just not possible.
yeah he'll probably come back with a head full of SSJ elemental hair and a Doomhammer made purely out of lightning cuz why not.
He challenged Garrosh to that gay orc 1v1 shit that killed Cairne and Thrall disobeyed the rules with using the elements as an additional weapon along with Doomhammer.
He threw away his honor by doing that so the elements think he's gay for a bit.
Blizzard said that at the end of the expansion we're likely gonna lose the artifact weapons again somehow. So expect Thrall to be all "I am the chosen one again" and grab it back cause reasons.
Maybe he shouldn't have challenged Garrosh to an honorable duel and then cheated by wearing armor, and using a two weapons (elements count).
I'd be pissed too. Nigga basically dishonored the fuck out of them on Draenor in an honorable Draenor duel.
Exactly. I mean, the idea is pretty cool. It'd make 100% sense of the context of a weapon like the Ashbringer - if he did something unjust and the weapon rejected him, leaving him to find a way to repent and giving you the sword as he did so. That'd be fucking neat.
But yeah, why the fuck would the elements care about one more individual Thrall killed?
>Thrall disobeyed the rules with using the elements as an additional weapon along with Doomhammer.
except this is speculation and not canon.
There's absolutely no reference to using the elements in the rules of Mak'gora.
i listened to the thrall/vol'jin stuff in the echo isles again and thrall is a fucking moron. literally everything thrall says ends up wrong and all he did was fuck around chasing macguffins and 'talking' to the elements the whole expansion. horrendous writing.
As described in The Shattering and Bloodsworn the rules for Mak'gora are:
Each participant is allowed one weapon.
A blessing of this weapon by a shaman of their choosing is permitted, but not required.
Body armor is forbidden.
Each participant must have at least one witness.
If both participants refuse to fight one another, they are banished from the clan.
Traditionally, it is to the death, but under Warchief Thrall's rule it became a non-lethal combat, similiar to Warsong's Mak'Rogahn. Participants can choose to forgo this change. However, even when operating under the old rules, the victor can choose to spare the loser's life.
He used it to kill as though it were a weapon, it counts. Hell he himself even changed the rules of Mak'gora to prevent to the death.
Even then he used armor which he wasn't allowed and even acted like he wasn't to blame for Garrosh. He was to blame for a large majority of it and didn't even bother to help Garrosh out one bit, but had all the time in the world to go to Hyjal and get married, or the fact he left him with Vol'jin to advise him. Vol'jin's first advice was "I'm glad your family is dead and I hate you." before Garrosh had even done anything.
yes in the original mak'gora between the two in WotLK they're just straight up dueling in their armor and throwing their class abilities around (yes this includes elemental attacks for Thrall)
He's Chris Metzen's vanity character that allows him to insert himself in the WoW universe and have millions of players watch him vanquish bosses on their behalf. It was ridiculous that players didn't actually kill Deathwing, they just tickled his feet and back and then Thrall did the actual deed.
It's embarrassing that Blizzard leadership has let him get away with this crap for so long
There's more rules than that and Garrosh didn't listen to them either
It wasn't a legit "traditional" mak'gora from the onset. So it just became a regular old fashioned duel to the death, and Thrall one because Garrosh was pissbaby.
>Thrall's once again at his lowest point
>Sargeras arrives in Azeroth and fights him while the raid watches
>He steals his soul and banishes Thrall to the twisting nether
>Aggra outta nowhere makes you go on a series of sequences to get her bae back
>After rescuing Thrall and giving him back his mojo, he proceeds to solo Sargeras and kills him and all demons forever
>Thrall's boy becomes the new warchief because Vol'Jin dies
>All the alliance leaders, Illidan, Bolvar, and other important people show up to the coronation ceremony
>18 months of doing the same raid until WoW-2 comes out
>KJ shows up
>The Lava King turns the Scourge on him in a fit of pottery
>KJ still butthurt about it
>realizes Ner'zhul is still in there
>magics him in control
>Wrath of the Lava King time
Also Vol'jin is gone, Sylvanas is Warchief/Queen of the Horde in Legion. I hope she used Trollbane to kill that stupid faggot.
Just because the other person is not honorable, doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable as well.
Besides Garrosh's only dishonor in Mak'gora was he had some slight armor, he was mostly naked and wearing cloth with Gorehowl. He was surprisingly more honorable than Thrall during that.
They both broke every rule imaginable though in the WotLK launch.
>All alliance leaders go neutral
>Except for the important ones, they just straight up get killed in some shitty. off-screen way
>all the neutral leaders promote horde favoritism
>Stormwind park is finally rebuilt
>It's a bunch of tents for dindu nufffin war refugees
>Just because the other person is not honorable, doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable as well.
lol what sort of chump are you
this was a fight to the death, they were both out for blood. Garrosh knew what he was getting into fighting a shaman. He got cocky and died like the chump he is.
He should be dying like the other Horde leaders, instead he's only being stripped of his powers because he's Metzens pet
surely to return at the end of the xpac and triumphantly kill the final boss for your raid group
>surely to return at the end of the xpac and triumphantly kill the final boss for your raid group
like I said earlier, he'll have his own Lightsaber-esque glowy lightning elemental version of Doomhammer and it will be glorious.
ITS NOT EVEN A FUCKING SHAMAN WEAPON, ITS JUST A PLAIN ASS ORC WEAPON
ITS A FUCKING ROCK ON A STICK
ITS WAS NEVER MADE TO BE A SHAMAN WEAPON
THE LAST PERSON WHO HAD DOOM HAMMER WASN'T A SHAMAN, AND THE PERSON BEFORE HIM WASN'T A SHAMAN
JUST BECAUSE THRALL HAD DOESN'T FUCKING MAKE IT A SHAMAN WEAPON.
And Thrall should have known what he was getting into fighting Garrosh. If he can't fight to the death for the very rule he himself changed, then don't fight. He was clearly at a disadvantage when it came to physical 1v1, then he had to shout that he wasn't alone and the elements were by his side. Now he's shit out of luck.
If Thrall was so great in the first place, then he should have been able to kill Garrosh outright. Garrosh didn't do anything wrong anyways, he just straight up overpowered Thrall.
luckily it's their lore and they can rewrite their shit all they want.
this is the description of the Doomhammer in WoW:
Forged in elemental lava on the orc homeworld of Draenor, this massive hammer is connected deeply with the elements, and its true power is only awakened in the hands of those who can speak to the elements in kind. The Doomhammer was long wielded by Orgrim Doomhammer, one of the greatest orc warriors of the Horde, and now rests with Thrall, one of the most powerful shaman Azeroth has ever known.
>Stormwind allows all the Horde refugees from the war with the Legion to live with them
>Dozens off fem nelves, humans and gnomes are sexually assaulted and mugged by thousands of orcs
>Varian tells them to keep an arm's length from the orcs as a safety measure
>shaman will NEVER EVER fight with a giant fucking tauren war totem
reminder a fucking sombrero got added to the game before a wieldable totem.
>there have only been two in game mak'gora
>first one, they're both in full armor and Thrall uses shaman magic
>second Mak'gora rolls around and suddenly it's cheating
Mak'gora's rules were previously changed by Thrall before, he might've added some rule for spell casters.
And none of this even mentions the fact that he killed Blackmoore using the elements. He was already defeated but he killed him because he hated his fucking guts, the elements didn't do jack shit.
Just sloppy writing so everyone can get Doomhammers, except unlike with the Ashbringer and Tirion, the writers didn't have the balls to kill off Thrall.
I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS IS THAT THRALL IS OBVIOUSLY A ELE SHAMAN AND ENH GETS THE DAMN HAMMER INSTEAD OF GETTING THE DAMN CLAWS THEY COULD ACTUALLY USE
Varian is just gonna chill for the first part of the expansion and show up with Thrall for the last patch.
If he was seriously killed off he'd give up his Shalamayne to be artifacts instead of the no named shit we're getting.
I feel like a idiot for being the rise of the horde book to prep my self for warlords. Nothing in that fucking book is relevant because of how much retconning they did to make warlords possible.
Nerzhul and Orgrim changes being the worst offenders.
that someone clearly doesn't think hes ENOUGH of a faggot as he is.
Oh good, can't wait for former shaman/dual wield fury warrior Thrall to kill that bastard Saurfang!
Fuck you Metzen
I can't believe this is the art they showcased for the WoD art panel at Blizzcon only to get shafted unfinished bald guy shit.
well this is just turning into no greater good anime bullshit isn't it
what's he gonna do, believe in himself and the elements just go fuck it we cool now
isn't there dark shammys or some shit?
>Another Expansion where Thrall KS the boss
>Orcs eventually outnumber the regular alliance population
>Anduin decrees that all non-orcs must give up their living space for their orc brethren and share their wives to improve relations
>Stormwind gets renamed to New Ogimmar out of respect for Orc culture
>Thrall still lives
>Sylvanas is now Warchief
>Baine still does nothing because Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner when they killed off Cairne and they have no fucking clue what to do with him
GLORY TO THE WARCHIEF
THE ONLY WARCHIEF
THE TRUE WARCHIEF
It's basically implied that you can somehow bully the elemental spirits into serving you.
How? beats the hell out of me since elementals seem pretty over powered.
During the Cata a lot of dark shammies just seemed like mages who used Arcane magic to subjugate elementals, so there really isn't any explanation for normal shamans in how they bully elementals without some other form of magic.
You're better off not asking questions about these things. Technically fire magic should be gone since Raggy was destroyed in the elemental plane but they just handwaved that bit of lore and most likely retconned it
>itt, wowfags bitch about the lore in a dying MMO that has gotten so bad that Blizzard has completely dropped all pretense of caring about the lore
The new King will set shit straight. Including his fuccboi son and his orc/dragon crush.
Sylvanas new warchief? No fucking problem, says this literal beast king.
The lore has literally nowhere to go but up.
Just look at these braids, this nigga needs his hair back.
What? No that isn't and has never been a part of warcraft lore. The only thing Rag has in common with mages is that in the rpg books they said that rag can turn any fire spell against a mage.
When a mage makes fire, he's using arcane which is reality breaking shit, to spontaneously make fire and throw it at you.
When a shaman makes fire, he talks to an omnipresent collective consciousness of all fire or a nearby fire elemental to make some fire for him .
Rag dying won't stop a mage from shooting fire, and for shamans there is always a fire elemental who doesn't give a fuck about rag.
>Quest Accepted; Pay your respects
>Kneel before the new warchief to pay your respects
Yes it has, magic is drawn from the elemental planes and if the warden dies (in fire's case raggy) the magic dissipates. Arcane isn't used to make fire.
Why does Blizzard constantly have to write the story so we just jump from danger to danger?
Why can there never be shit like
>we come back from whatever the fuck we were doing and meanwhile things have gone completely to shit back home
>we come back from whatever the fuck we were doing and THEN the BIG BAD THING happens
Because the game is catered towards children and mentally challenged casuals who wouldn't understand a story that has an ounce of depth to it. So they go with the safest route possible
As an Alliancefag I vastly prefer Garrosh. Garrosh was intellectually honest about the Horde being warmongers, Thrall is a faggot that pretends the Horde is all about peace and love whilst ignoring all the war and atrocities the Horde commits.
Garrosh did nothing wrong when it came to the Horde.
>haven't touched WoW in almost three years
>mostly been playing FFXIV lately
and it's pretty shit compared to FFXI, but still scratches that MMO itch well enough
>groups are actually pretty sociable in general, or otherwise not actively unpleasant to be around
>at the very least party members toss out a "hey" and "thanks" at some point
>resub to WoW for old times' sake
>join a pug
>literally the first thing I see in party chat is "would you please leave? I don't like your attitude."
>I had not said a single word
What happened to the genre?
Garithos did nothing wrong
Garrosh did nothing wrong
>Magic is drawn from the elemental planes
Arcane has come from the twisting nether since WC II m8.
The elemental planes have always been a prison since their introduction. Elementals started out as mage constructs when they first appeared in WC with very limited lore.
I forget when, but their lore was expanded upon into being elemental beings trapped in the elemental planes. Around this time blizzard started formulating Old Gods and shit, basically directly taking from August Derleth's Cthulhu Mythos. In this, H.P Lovecraft's publisher/friend included a bunch of gay shit in the lovecraft lore such as grecco-roman and norse inspired humanoid gods of order called elder gods and gave elemental attunements to the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods (I.E Cthulhu = water, Yogg = Air, Hastur = fire). Blizzard liked the idea and from then on Elementals were chaotic creations of the old gods imprisoned in a plane of chaos away from mortals.
They had jack shit to do with shamans and mages just enslaved them and shit. At the time shamans got their power from the elemental spirits, which were omnipresent deities or tiny sprites that live in their respective element, it's inconsistent. Elementals and elemental spirits were two completely different things until the tail end of BC where blizzard said they were related (metzen made a tweet saying elementals were expressions of the elemental spirit). Instead of being old god creations, they were just natural beings that were the first to be enslaved by the old gods.
The first part is retconned, since now elementals are shaman related.
When AQ was out they were nothing but Old God toys, unrelated to shamans. I have never heard of Rag having anything to do with preventing mages from doing whatever the hell they wanted.
It's explained best in WC III when Drek'thar is explaining shamanism to thrall.
Thrall asks whats the difference between a shaman killing someone with lightning or a warlock making you burn from the inside, magic is magic.
Drek'thar replies saying that while the end result is the same, the lightning is a natural phenomenon, an extension of the elements, a warlocks hellfire is instead twisting and warping reality to cause the fire.
I agree, like most things it's a result of different writers having different ideas.
One fag liked the subtle unseen spirits for shamans and then elementals were introduced and blizzard wasn't sure if they should be related.
Thrall gets an Ashbringer
Bolvar Fordragongets Doomhammer there must always be, a warchief! lok´tar!
>Gets cucked by Greymane in a stalemate
>Leads way for Baine "Moohammed" (pbuh) to lead the faction to glorious golden era
The lore is finally on the right path.
His dad didn't want to, because the Grimtotems facilitated the peace deal which got the Forsaken into the Horde in the first place. Notice how Sylvanas has consistently given the Kalimdor Horde the middle finger ever since the Grimtotems lost power?
>excuse to not kill him off
blizzard post warcraft 3 writing ;)
He's too old man. It's why he wouldn't step up as warchief.
Plus he was a soldier, not a political leader. He doesn't know how to bear the weight of the crown (or whatever their equivalent is)
The rules of the duel they were having was that only 1 weapon can be used, as soon as thrall was getting rekt he pulled out multiple weapons (the elements) to win
Never has a cutscene made the general population hate someone so fast
They are. You want to argue that it's fine that a shaman uses his elemental powers to fight in a duel that's one thing but then he can't use the Doomhammer. It's a traditional duel between two warriors but you can't honestly believe that using the forces of the earth and lightning to fight with you doesn't count any less than having a razorblade in your fucking shoe.
Beyond that it also breaks the rules of multiple combatants. He's not just using magic. He's asking the primal forces of Draenor which are things with physical form and thoughts to do shit for him. That's no different than if he summoned like a Felguard to fight for him.
Thrall was also trained as a warrior all his life so don't give any bullshit like "he's just a wimpy shaman he needed to".
You get a weapon and then you go at it. The second you bring anything else into the fight you're under scrutiny of breaking the rules with the vast majority of people (and apparently the elements on some level) know he did.
Also Garrosh didn't have a witness.
All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does, therefor there is only one of them.
Or maybe Draenor Ragnaros called up Azeroth Ragnaros and said ay boi this thrall guys a huge faggot, don't give him power or you'll regret it, dig?
>People complain that Thrall is a killstealing faggot
>"b-b-but muh mukgorah rules" bullshit
>Legion confirms it was cheating
>Thrall apologists on suicide watch
My Goblin Shaman will take good care of the Doomhammer.
>You want to argue that it's fine that a shaman uses his elemental powers to fight in a duel that's one thing but then he can't use the Doomhammer
That's the thing, he didn't need Doomhammer at all when he fried him.
He still fought with the Doomhammer. Had he only used "the elements" I'd still say it's bullshit but there's a grey area there. It's the fact he fought Garrosh with the Doomhammer and then did the elemental stuff not to finish off but because he was getting his ass kicked.
You can't go in there with a knife and then pull out a gun when you're losing, shoot the dindu, and then go "no man like I didn't even need the knife I had the gun the whole time see".
Doomhammer is an unreliable mass produced piece of shit in the first place. It wasn't Doomhammer which killed Mannorath, it was Gorehowl. Twice. Doomhammer is so embarrassing as a trademark weapon. Meanwhile the 'hero' has held everything from Ragnaros' personal weapon to Atiesh to millenia old glaives.
He did plenty of "cheating" with the elements before. This is an asspull to take Thrall out of the limelight.
Someone at Blizzard was fired by Metzen for the good of the franchise. Bless that person.
Cos metzen is bald.
Green Jesus must always be metzen.
I agree that the elements give no fucks about the duel but I'm still talking about the duel being what it was.
I truly think Blizzard sees that fans like or hate something but they don't get why.
>Garrosh is a whiney bitch faggot
>We hate Garrosh
>They make Garrosh not shit
>SEE THEY HATE GARROSH
>Garrosh does Warchief things like blowing shit up and telling queen bitch to fuck off
>Some people like garrosh and the people who don't like him hate his actions (which is different then thinking a character is stupid)
>SEE THEY HATE HIM STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT SoO NOW NOW NOW
>They turn Thrall into a hippy green jesus mary sue
>SEE THEY LOVE THRALL
>Culminates in the duel in which people liked Garrosh and hated Thrall to begin with
>Lot's of people call out a character they do not like on their bullshit
>HAHA THE ELEMENTS HATED THE DUEL TOO WE'LL REDEEM THRALL DON'T WORRY FANS
Like it's not that Thrall won or even cheated. Nobody has cared about Thrall for a long fucking time so you have a shit character kill off a character at least some people liked in a fucked up way. If Thrall was beloved by everyone sure you'd have autists point out he "didn't win fair" but most people would just have went "haha our Thrall what a scamp".
>All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does
Not it doesn't. Source on where you hear that bullshit.
It's confirmed in TBC by the elemental throne that Draenor/Outland has its own lords.
>Elements on Azeroth are talking to the elements on Alternative Draenor
Now I want fanart of a fire elemental from Draenor talking to a earth elemental on Azeroth and calling Thrall a fagget.
>>Thrall's boy becomes the new warchief because Vol'Jin dies
You mean when Azeroth realizes Sylvanas goes Lich King 2.0: "I Serve The Horde" edition and kills her and all her 1-UP val'kyr, right?
Because Vol'jin's already going to die in Legion.
>No concrete evidence
Well I guess you cannot use the evidence provided to come to a very clear conclusion.
But guess what we will never get the official rules of Mak'gora that accounts for literally every single possibility within a match so you're right. Since there's no complete and exact stipulation on the Mak'gora rule book we'll just go with it was a completely fair and honest duel with no deviations.
Now that I think about it I guess Garrosh didn't have a weapon in the first place. I mean he had an axe but at the end of the day that's just a lump of sharp metal that he just happened to use to try and kill Thrall. That's really no more a weapon than Thralls Shaman powers.
You're fucking delusional.
In a short story, the spirits of Draenor were described as being fearful of Garrosh when he first arrived on Alt-Draenor. They were aware he was an outsider of the timeline and perhaps even that he had employed Dark Shamanism. My guess is that if the spirits dont like you, they mark you as being a huge faggot.
And Illidan was only killed thanks to Maiev
Arthas was killed thanks to Tirion.
>It was ridiculous that players didn't actually kill Deathwing, they just tickled his feet and back and then Thrall did the actual deed.
Why does this feel like a stand out to you? No final boss between OG Kel'Thuzad and neo-Archimonde was killed by players.
Players didn't kill Illidan, Maiev did
Players didn't kill Lich King, Tirion/Ghosts did
Players didn't kill Garrosh, Thrall did.
WoD was literally the first ever expansion where the players directly killed the last boss themselves.
>And how exactly does this crackpot rumor of yours explain Gul'dan being alive again?
Again? Did you not see the final WoD cinematic? Archimonde tossed Alt-Gul'dan through the portal back to our Azeroth to "finish the job"
Are you misreading his post?
He said bringing it back, not "pretending the other timeline doesn't exist". The game is being played in the normal timeline next expansion. Gul'dan isn't alive "again", main Gul'dan is still dead, it's the alternate Gul'dan from WoD that is doing shit in Legion.
>WoD was literally the first ever expansion where the players directly killed the last boss themselves.
Not really because even in that fight we got help from Khadgar, Yrel and Grom.
Precisely, HELP, it was still players who killed him. At no point did he freeze our raid as Khadgar took him down, or we all died as Yrel got the final blow.
Unlike all other bosses, who had their killing blow specifically removed from players hands to be done by an NPC.
Illidan wasn't the last boss of TBC, Kil'jaeden was. Players receive less / the same amount of outside assistance against him as they do against WoD Archimonde, and he winds up just as dead.
>Illidan wasn't the last boss of TBC, Kil'jaeden was.
Tossaway filler raids are shit. TBC was Illidan, or else you're conceding that WotLK's main boss was Halion.
Also, KJ wasn't killed in his fight.
>Resolution of pretty much all of TBC's major plot points going back as far as T5, which was in at launch.
And Archimonde is just as not dead as a result of WoD. You can't kill Eredar lords on the material plane.
>Peace-loving cow as a warchief.
Unless Tauren suddenly become thirsty for war, then, he has no place as Warchief. He'd probably downgrade Ogrimmar with hide tents and windmills. Ogrimmar needs another Garrosh. Same with Stormwind. It needs the Scarlet Crusade.
>Varian dies at the beginning
>Sylvanas, continuing her unusually charitable streak from the opening cinematic, raises him as an undead and gives him the chance to keep fighting the legion, no strings attached
>doesn't go back to stormwind because they can't have an undead king, no one would be ok with that
>is still fighting demons when we find him half way through the expansion
>mfw vol'jin won't die
>mfw it was all a ruse
>mfw he comes back from some secret mission and preforms a 360noscopeMLG montage on Sylvanas for some reason
>mfw i resub to WoW because of that
>YOU... DID... THIS... TO ME
what did he mean by this, bros?
>resub to wow
> 'oh man! i forgot how fun this game actually is!'
1 week laterr
>well i guess i can run some dailies on my maxed out main. could get a heroic raid going so i can maybe get a piece of armor that makes my abilities 3% more useful. might as well level an alt in a class ive never maxed. yeah. thatll keep my interest...
i wish it wasnt like this anon
I just want Arthas and Illidan back, everyone else can bite it for all that I care
this shit doesn't even make sense. doomhammer is just a chunk of metal. thrall can commune with the elements independent of it. also he kill garrosh of alternate-draenor, why would the elements on azeroth give a shit?
>elemental lords of Draenor have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide and mutate the Draenei
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide Azeroth
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting powers to space aliens in general
>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems with continuing to grant powers to the heroes who constantly fought them and foiled their plans time and time again
>Thrall uses elemental powers to kill Garrosh as justice for a catastrophic war which killed most of the orcs on Azeroth and ruined Pandaria
>NOPE THRALLS A FAGET FUCK THAT GUY SUCK MY ELEMENTAL EMBALMED FLAMING DICK GREEN MOSES
Thrall made him the leader when literally everyone including Garrosh was saying not to make Garrosh the leader. Then Thrall decided that instead of helping Garrosh become a good leader he would make his council a Troll that was jealous and admitted he was going to assassinate Garrosh and a Tauren that refused to believe anything Garrosh said and ended up dying in a duel for it. So in the end Garrosh learned nothing except how to not trust the other races because they didn't trust him while Thrall was busy fucking his wife to visit a single time.
The entire fucking thing is Thralls fault.
>hasn't done all the difficulty levels = hasn't seen or done the content meme.
When will this meme die?
Shills really must try hard to pretend they aren't being buttfucked by actijew.
I have no sympathy for you.
yeah Thrall has been a temperamental and useless fuck story-wise.
He killed Garrosh as he decided. Let's not let the player finish Garrosh off. No I challenge Garrosh to a fight. And he basically crushes Garrosh with a stone hand out of the ground.
>All the Elemental Lords (meaning Ragnaros, Al'Akir, basically the true Lords) exist outside time like the Legion supposedly does, therefor there is only one of them.
That sounds so retarded and taken out of ass it might be true
>>elemental lords of Draenor have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide and mutate the Draenei
>>elemental lords of Azeroth have no problems granting demonic-powered orcs powers to genocide Azeroth
Except thats the whole point of warlocks as the elements abandoned them
When the First Horde began slaughtering the Dranei, on Nerzhul's instruction, the elements stopped talking to them. Their Shaman could no longer channel elements nor talk to their ancestors. That's one of the main reasons they drank the Demon Blood. The Dranei were too resilient and they couldn't take Shattrath in their weakened non-element powered state.
There were almost no Horde Shaman for a long time. Not until Thrall and the second Horde.
what a false dichotomy. People didn't quit in vanilla after they had done all the raid instances once.
If you consider queuing up in LFR being done with the game, then I dont understand why you ever played wow, or why you are in this thread, to begin with
That's blatantly untrue. The Elements are localised planetary phenomenon. The ones on Azeroth didn't even exist in their own 'planes' until the Titans locked them in there because they were running around being giant faggots. Presumably the Elements on Azeroth were stronger and more volatile while not contained because the Well of Eternity made everything pretty broken in that time.
>They have this big story about Vol'jin becoming the new Warchief after Garrosh becomes Hitler and goes to panda prison
>After becoming Warchief does absolutely fucking nothing the entirety of Warlords of Draenor
>Now spoilers hint at him dying somewhere in Legion
Why did they even fucking bother if they weren't going to do anything with it? Horde may as well have not had a Warchief at all
I think they want to establish the fact that non-orc warchiefs will not be stable options for the horde.
I hope eitrigg becomes interim warchief until Thrall's pals growning up.
lel, Thrall and Garrosh has already dueled and he sure as hell used magic back then with his weapon and they sure as hell didnt refuse him then
unless the elements felt sorry cause he got his shit kicked in by the superior Orc
Doomerhammer is technically somewhat elementally magic. It contains the elemental magic of the lava of Draenor. There's a comic about Blackhand forging it and Orgrim getting it.
If Mythic is canon how does Archimonde return to Draenor to toss Guldan back into Azeroth before dying? We know that Guldan going to Azeroth is canon because it's the impetus for the new expansion. Therefore mythic HFC is non-canon and Archimonde is back in the Nether.
Since literally everyone on the horde gets to warchief now when is it my boi Lor'themar's turn?
They probably agree to plant trees or start fires some shit, whatever it Elementals want. Starting fires comes naturally to Goblins so they probably have a really good affinity with Fire elementals.
Yeah this is what I don't get at all.
Thrall was a warrior before he became a shaman and Ogrim wasn't a shaman at all.
So it makes no sense why he wouldn't be able to use Doomhammer.
wc3nigger here, who is Thrall guilty of killstealing in WoW?
But why would the elements of Azeroth give a fuck or even know about what Thrall did on Draenor.
And why would the elements being pissed at Thrall prevent Thrall from using Doomhammer?
It answered one at the least, assuming you aren't a fucking moron. If the elements and spirits of Draenor seemed to know what Garrosh had done then there's no reason why they couldn't know what Thrall had done.
Then again you're trying to find consistency is Warcraft of all things. You'd find more structure in a children's story book.
Radical Garrosh is the only acceptable Garrosh.