>controllers that pretty much work JUST for this genre of games are going for $100 plus, with quality ones being at the $200 mark
>may also require modification, changing parts, soldering, among others
And they wander why the fuck they don't get a fresh influx of players to keep their shit alive.
Once the current generation of fighting gamers is old and moved on, fighting games are dead.
Except for the fact it's a competitive game and it's a well known fact both the xbox and the ps4 controllers suck at it. While the keyboard still sucks, is still a little bit ahead of those two.
It's a basic tool to progress in the game.
Playing on a controller is fine if you're not a retard. And if you REALLY need something besides but you don't want to drop $120 for a good stick, you can get a fightpad for $20
The keyboard is one of the best things you could use you fucking moron. The only thing better would be a Hit Box.
that's kind of my problem. ive never really been into the fighting genre. street fighter looks fun, but i know that to get good you need a stick. i dont want to spend $160 on the game and a stick and end up not enjoying it much, though.
Stop lying now. There is a reason why the vast majority of high ranked and professional players use it.
>that one guy did something using a dance pad!
Well good for him! Meanwhile everyone else is using a stick and you know it.
I really want to avoid making up a percentage out of my ass, so I'm not gonna say 99% of players who accomplish something are on a stick, but you know it's the VAST majority of them.
You dont need a stick and these days many more people are agreeing that pads might have an advantage. The only reasons sticks are so prevalent is because thats how people played in arcades for so long.
>mid 3000 PP region
>constantly befriend players who go to tournaments
>YOU PLAY ON PAD?! BUT YOU PLAY SO WELL!
The reason most pro players play on stick is that they spent a lot of time in arcades when they were younger. They weren't socialized on pad like us. An entire generation grew up with consoles, which is reflected on the influx of new players using pad. Just look at Snake Eyez, Luffy or Smug. They are doing just fine.
It all comes down to preference, dummy.
Killer instinct is one 2013 is one of the best fighting games out there, with an even better soundtrack, if you're waiting for it to be on PC, practice before you go straight into online, you'll get shit on
my bad must have been some other pad gief I remember james chen babbling on about that tidbit once.
oh yeah and I'd like to add that as long as japanese players play on stick and win majors people will wanna play on stick too.
>It all comes down to preference, dummy.
Right, it's merely a coincidence the vast majority of high ranked and pro players use it anon.
Merely a coincidence.
Well the point was that it doesnt have two sticks to make 360s easier, they're already easy enough anyway. Louffy won EVO on a regular ass PS1 pad.
But then again why the fuck am I arguing with you casual retards over this shit anyway? You probably think a fighting game is good or bad over how many single player modes it has and whether the last boss is cheap or not.
Sticks are much preferred but if you're using "I can't buy a stick" as an excuse for why you're not good, you're only letting the excuses hold you back
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? Are you blind? Or simply retarded?
>But then again why the fuck am I arguing with you casual retards over this shit anyway? You probably think a fighting game is good or bad over how many single player modes it has and whether the last boss is cheap or not.
Where the fuck did you just take that from? Nothing even near it has been mentioned at all in the thread.
Anon are you on drugs?
But it's contradictory.
You say sticks gives you an advantage but Snake Eyez made it all the way to top 8 while defeating a bunch of stick players with his pad.
Let's not forget that Louffy won 2014 EVO with a PS1 pad. By your reasoning, he never should have made it.
Sticks are just greatly preferred because arcade is where the scene was born. A majority of people are use to them. Fighting games hav been moving away from arcades in the last couple of years and more people are getting into them via consoles. And because of that, we're finally seeing the rise of the pad warriors.
You don't need a stick to perform well, and if you honestly believe you need an expensive stick for that to be true, you're most likely a scrub who will never git gud.
There is no advantage to use a fight stick over a fight pad, that comes down to preference.
However, there is an advantage to using any of these two over a regular one/ps4 controller.
>Right, it's merely a coincidence the vast majority of high ranked and pro players use it anon.
A majority of those people have been playing on sticks for years. It's what they're use to and built the muscle memory around.
To make them try another method would be chopping off their hands.
I'm a stick player but I played the SF5 beta with the PS4 controller and had a ~80% win rate with Chun. Granted nobody knows wtf they're doing yet but combos in SF5 are so piss easy you dont need a stick to do them. You dont even need to do combos for SF. Its mostly about your normals and how well you space them, which doesnt require a stick.
>Which is still a custom built controller just for this genre and maybe like 2d space shooters.
No, it's a clone of the SEGA Genesis Six Pad which was built for a variety of genres. It just happens to be very good for fighting games as well since SEGA designed it with diagonal inputs in mind.
And to add to this, it's got one the best soundtracks in a game ever
Orchid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eb0sin4Pak  Techno/dance
TJ Combo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyw6mXR8BNk  Rap/Hiphop
Jago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv92IA-URpo  Rock with a tibetan style twist
Shadow Jago/Omen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYAwOhDgCbY  Heavy metal, a faster, heavier remix of Jago's theme
Thunder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHYJJTDxjfA  Rock but with Native American style
Cinder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS5bw8kRuLc  Rock
Spinal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6nLVEhivo  Rock, sort of pirate'y
Maya - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-r6RyfbUIw  Dance
Hisako - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etrD70dMKBI  Heavy metal with a Japanese theme
Fulgore - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjXou-PI8dI  Heavy metal, too thrashy for me but some people appreciate it
The rest of the character themes don't have too much of a genre but are still good theme music nonetheless
Sadira - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3APUp93oG3A 
Arganos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8B7IaFuO9g 
Glacius - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9EJ7NyZDpk 
Kan-Ra - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpFE_yi8CgA 
Sabrewulf - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2o1VGVc5o 
ARIA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36xCtpnPGo  Drum n' bass
Riptor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNycqoGr6lo 
Or more likely: Maybe you're butthurt because you got blown the fuck out and can't read for shit.
Precisely this, man.
SFV is the easiest fucking thing to get into; controller and pad differences are negligible at this point.
Now if you're looking into learning Guilty or something, you should probably grab a stick.
This is pointless, Autismo Jones here is a trolll or is a retard, either way it's a lost cause.
Wow, you are not ready to hear about real sports.
It works really way with retro games, such as the 2d shooter example I gave.
But then again, it's fabricated as a fight pad, it's advertised as a fight pad and MOST people buy it for fighting games. It's still a custom built pad no matter how you look at it.
That's how it's advertised, but the design was made for a variety of genres, not specifically for fighting games.
Spin it all you want, it's just a cheap knockoff of the Six Pad.
>Keyboard warrior and proud
>TFW Hit box took no time getting use to
Those early days of playing X-men vs Street Fighter on Kaillera paid off
You should be, but not for me. And you should use that energy to learn reading.
>Seems like you are butthurt cuz you replied to wrong person
Along with the ability to construct proper sentences in English, you drooling retard.
The winner of EVO two years ago used a fucking PS1 controller. You can literally be the best player in the world on a gamepad. Get gud. No excuses. All that matters is the player using a method if input you're comfortable with. It's all skill.
How hurt can someone possibly be because people didn't bother to read his posts replying to someone else? Anon that's some serious attention seeking issues you got there. Are you sure you should be on an anonymous image board? Maybe reddit is better for your attention seeking hobby.
There's literally nothing wrong with playing on a pad.
Most people use sticks because that's what they grew up on and that's the norm, but you can absolutely compete with just a normal controller.
In the next couple of years we should see more and more pad warriors rise and compete.
It baffles me how people seriously believes that sticks gives you a +10 execution boost when playing vidya.
>too retarded to play games
>also a memer
You're like a walking talking stereotype.
I bet you like Undertale.
>In the next couple of years we should see more and more pad warriors rise and compete.
Which is fine. But most of them will be on custom pads such as >>323374375
I'd wager the ps4 vanilla controller guy is going to be a bit rare.
Not all that expensive when you make your own. Also I play all sorts of games on mine, not just fighting games. Super Meat Boy is BEST with an arcade stick.
Fair enough, but the point is that they are not gonna be on vanilla ps4/one controllers and they are certainly not gonna be on keyboards, though that hitbox guy might be around once in a while.
>to someone else
You keep bringing it up like it means something, but said reply was in the very same post you referred to. You know, the same post that also referenced you.
You literally can't read.
>>controllers that pretty much work JUST for this genre of games
>He doesn't play shmups
Also get mad at Microsoft and Sony for their base controllers being so dogshit in the first place. I've always hated playstation controllers even as a child.
>tfw i've already pre-ordered the shadowloo stick
truly a great feeling
The fact is that someone did not bother to read what you were writing to someone else, and that hurt you in such a way that five replies later you are still not over it.
That's some pretty serious attention issues there, and since this is an anonymous imageboard, it made more sense that you'd go to some place where people could read your name and give you the attention you seek. That's why I suggested reddit anon.
Most people in the FGC grew up playing fighting games in arcades so naturally they will use a stick.
I never played in arcades so ill stick to my Xbox controller since there's no legit reason to switch besides personal preference
>It baffles me how people seriously believes that sticks gives you a +10 execution boost when playing vidya.
I can't speak for everyone, but moving to stick after playing on a 360 pad completely improved my execution straight from day 1. I couldn't even do simple special inputs 100% of the time, but on stick it was immediately easy.
Unless you plan on spending next 5-6 years mastering SF to become top 10 in the world you don't need anything. You will be mediocore at best and to fight people at that level it doesn't matter if you use stick, gamepad or keyboard.
There's no reason to be upset. The wager is just that, a wager. We'll see how it turns out in the future. As for right now, fightpad people are certainly more common than ps4/one controller people.
>writes a novel about how little he cares
You're having a hard time conceiling your butthurt, anon.
Even if you didn't read my post the first time around, I was giving you another chance to read it and directed your attention towards it. However, instead of picking up on the contents of that post, you opted to unleash an armageddon of anal anguish upon everybody in this thread because you had been called out on your idiocy. That anal anguish that seems to be so severe that you're still replying several posts after. I'm merely reacting to what I've been given.
Take your own advice and leave. Maybe the people of reddit or Tumblr are more understanding towards your hurt feefees.
You don't need a pad to be good. There are a lot of good pad players. Luffy, who uses a PS1 controller, has won an Evo. There is also SnakeEyez who is sponsored by Red Bull. And SKD won the Blazblue side tourney at evo last year. The only place game I can see an arcade stickk having advantage is tekken, and that's only for a few characters.
lol, while I grew up with arcades once they disappeared I became a part of the PC master race and all that. I use my right hand for the mouse so it was only natural that I use the joystick with my right hand the buttons with the left. I've had people argue that it's not about what motions your body is used to but that WASD is movement and so is the joystick so that's how I should do it. Those people are crazy.
Except if hes left handed he wouldnt do this. Button inputs dont need precise inputs compared to the the directions of the stick. Source: im left handed and would have a ton of trouble using my right hand for the stick.
>criticizes someone about writing a novel
>proceeds to write even more than the other guy
Not only an attention whore, but also a hypocrite. You call people on "literally not being able to read" when your reading comprehension is lacking as well. My last post was not in any way about how little I care, it was about how much it hurt you when someone didn't bother to read your reply to someone else.
This is like six or seven replies later, it still hurts you that someone dared not giving you their full attention. I'm telling you, go to a place where people can see your name.
I own a stick because I feel it's more comfortable, but seriously if I lost my stick for whatever reason I'd go back to a PlayStation controller and only have some performance issues.
It's a luxury item, just like a racing wheel. By no means is it necessary.
Smash Bros players love the GameCube controller because Melee was so good but those games plays fine on many other controllers. Likewise it's just perfect.
>calls A retarded because A didn't bother to read his conversation with B
Between the two of us, the one clearly triggered because the other didn't bother to read his reply to someone else is you.
The D-Pad on these are supposed to be godlike, I might actually pick one up and use it with my stick
What's bothering me about it is that it has a stick at all.
The D-Pad was pretty good on the previous fight pads as well, but I heard they weren't built with longevity in mind and broke down relatively fast. I'm talking about 3-6 months. Hopefully this won't be the case this time.
>tells him exactly how things happened
Someone didn't bother to read your conversation with someone else. To that you replied asking if they even bothered, and then you call them retarded and blind. Not bothering to read your conversation to someone else has nothing to do with blindness or retardation, the only reason you would think that is if you think you are important. But you are anonymous. If you think you are important, go to a place where people can see your name. Then people might think it's worth to read all your conversations.
It's a general consensus the 360 sucks ass. Xbone controller is somewhat better but still suffers from many of the same flaws. It's not about getting good by merely changing controllers, it's about one option clearly sucking and the other option being better.
>always liked Zangief's theme
>especially in SF4 with the sweet ass jazz remix
>mfw hearing the SFV theme for the first time
Really disappointed thats it's boring now
Madcatz has a new line coming out for V. Including a new pad and a budget ($70) stick.
You could buy the budget one for 70 dollars and swap real sanwa parts and have the equivalent of the $160 dollar one for much less. But you say you are done modding so whatever.
quick question whats the difference between this http://www.amazon.ca/HORI-Real-Arcade-Pro-PlayStation/dp/B00SULMRI4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452397010&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4+fight+stick and
why is one so much more expensive?
I don't know much but I guess it comes down to the quality of your stick and buttons. And I'm not only talking about how quick one breaks or whatnot, but also how well it responds to different strokes and specially if buttons are quick.
Alright, since we can all agree OP is retarded...
Who here /360 controller/? I absolutely can't stand Sony controllers and will probably be buying a converter soon for SFV tournaments. 360 controller (yes, I use the dpad) is actually pretty fucking great.
The only downside is that the newer 360 controllers' build quality is pretty cheap. If your 360 controller has a dark grey wire, then it'll last years. If it has a black wire, it'll last a few months. I bought a new 360 controller and it came out of the box with both down-diagonals not 100% functional. It works, but you have to press hard as fuck.
Depends on what you want, I like at least enough weight to not have the stick wiggle around in my lap when I move the stick and hit the buttons, but I'm really rough on them. The mini isn't going to have the weight, but it probably won't be a problem if you put it on a desk when you play or don't go so hard on it. I can't speak for the button/stick quality though.
It's nice when it has some weight to it so it doesn't slip around on your lap if you as much as touch the stick. If you keep it on a table or something in front of you I doubt it matters as much.
As a 360 controller fag, what's your opinion on fightpads such as pic related?
Yeah but then you get to play the game of whether or not you'll get the parts (cough lizard lick) and getting a bunk ass stick to begin with, switch going out, etc...
Cool. Wtf is the difference between the the $200 and the $230?
Not really sure, honestly. I bought pic related a few months ago when my
third360 controller died. I got it on a really good deal since most of them go for hundreds of dollars online...
But the diagonals didn't work. Out of the box. Instantly shipped it back to Capcom the next day and bought another 360 controller.
I've also tried the Xbox One controller, and the dpad is absolutely garbage. It's actually almost impossible to do diagonals consistently, and quarter circles were disgusting.
I was going to try the MKX edition, but after research I learned the build quality was ass, and the dpad was almost identical to the Xbox One's.
I also played on a fightstick for the past month at a friend's house while on vacation. Fun, but in a tournament setting, it's really easy to tell what your opponent is doing out the corner of your eye/from audio ques. Was fun to use though, expensive though.
why are fightsticks always sold out? Is it worth getting on if i never grew up in the arcade scene? Ive been thinking about getting >>323383120 because i started getting decent on a 360 pad back in ssf4.
Well, I'm not an expert on parts or anything, but the buttons are SUPER cheap, you can get cheap non-colored sanwas for less than a dollar a piece, and they take a beating. I'm not so sure how durable the sticks themselves are, but from what I saw when taking it apart, you would have to try REALLY hard to break the parts in an expensive stick. I'm not too worried about it, anon,
plus smacking sanwas just feels right
They don't make a lot and it's a niche market. Remember all the threads about Amiibos being sold out day one, and people having to suck dick in the back of alley ways to get their cheap waifu figurines?
Generally no, most players prefer larger sticks. You can see the ones above with the stick on the wrong side, those are abnormal (beyond just the stick placement) I think a lot of players just find it's feels more solid and anchored in your lap. I like smaller ones myself really at the end of the day just like EVERYTHING EVER it's all what feels good to you.
Again thank you. I'm not 30 extra for Ryu's gay ass and an uglier stick.
Just noticed they got $20 off for the older sticks right now. I'll probably go with that then.
Though the $200 stick is pretty.
It really depends on the controller. Like I've said, I've gone through like four of them. Their design isn't amazing and their build quality has kicked it in the past few years, since the 360 has been dying, but it's great for specific characters and playstyles.
>have an 200$ worth arcade stick
>have played more than 1500 hours with it
>have raged on it, hit on it a ton
>never replaced a piece
>still working perfectly fine
that was a 200$ well invested if you like the game. Also, like other anons said, you can play with a pad just fine.
Quality buttons really are cheap, but quality joysticks go for $20 up. I guess if you know how to swap stick and buttons then you are somewhat fine.
I never tried, but I'm guessing swapping buttons is easy and swapping the stick is hard? You seem to know more than me, how hard is it? Specially if you are trying to get a different model stick than the stock one.
This hybrid controller is the best I've used for fighters. Better than the Saturn pad.
Snake eyes, probably the best american player uses a pad, luffy who won evo 2014 used a ps1 controller, there is nothing stopping you from using a pad, the only thing sticks have the advantage over pads is plinking, it's harder to do on pad and you won't need to plink in sf5 as all combos have at least a 3 frame buffer window so 1 frame links won't be a problem
>go to goodwill or pawn shop to buy some generic logitech gamepad for $5 dollars
>buy 6 $3 sanwa buttons
>buy $24 sanwa stick
>borrow someones soldering iron
>watch youtube videos
>grab a shoebox
>solder together your new fighting stick for a grand total of $47
it really isn't that hard senpai
Swapping the buttons in the TE2 I have is as easy as removing two connectors and taking the button out. I've got no experience with replacing the stick itself, since you don't have to remove anything from inside the case to replace the restrictor gate, and that's all I did for mine. Sorry anon. Looking at it without taking it apart, it looks like it would come apart and be removed easily after taking out some screws, but I can see some stick cases being incompatible with some models.
TL;DR - I don't know shit about sticks, but if your case says its compatible both the stick and the buttons should be very easy to replace with basic knowledge of fastening screws and disconnecting power cables from components
As I said earlier Super Meat Boy is the best on an arcade stick. If you actually want retro then literally any console game made before the advent of analog controls on mainstream consoles.
I got this http://www.amazon.com/MAYFLASH-Xbox-Arcade-Fighting-Stick/dp/B00NOAWLBE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451857706&sr=8-1&keywords=mayflash+v2
It's a cheap budget stick, but it's guaranteed compatible with sanwa buttons. Meaning I can swap in real quality buttons with little effort and end up with a pretty good solid fightstick.
The problem only is the joystick itself.
Don't be retarded, controllers and keyboards work fine. There are tons of high level players that use them. The reason sticks exist is to emulate the feeling of playing on an arcade cabinet, especially for the purpose of giving arcade vets a controller that suits their years of built up muscle memory. It's completely up to you what kind of controller you want to use
I'm not going to read all this drivel but i'm almost certain that the OP is still in this thread bitching about costly fight sticks because he has more autism than he knows what to do with.
Do keyboards work on consoles for fighting games? WASD movement and numpad for buttons always worked well.
>played lots of fightan on keyboard
>use a hitbox
>bigger buttons better spacing
It's like fighting on a cloud
Anybody wanna play some USF4? I'm on PC, East Coast NA.
>I'd wager the ps4 vanilla controller guy is going to be a bit rare.
Except they're making ones very similar to it for SFV. It's also significantly less expensive than a good quality stick.