>>323289518 >daugher of emperor >stepdaughter of geralt and yen >has unique power that lets her travel between universe >whole plot is about her >half the game is about finding her even as you as the player aren't really invested in her character >is 100 times stronger than geralt
>>323290364 beeing mary sue doesn't necessary mean that the character is super strong (which is still true in ciris case). It means that the whole plot revolves around her, that every important character is tied to her in some way or the other, and that she holds up modern day ideals in a medieval world
>>323289410 She is actually kind of annoying in my opinion. Im playing W3 now and she is potrayed as literally perfect. Everyone treats her as a charming, talented, and powerful hero evewn though she hasnt done much.
Geralt does much more all while being a weaker, much older guy.
>>323290364 Raiden was literally intended to be an anti-Mary Sue though. He's a rookie who only has basic combat knowledge, can't keep a situation under control, acts dorky as fuck and he can't even hold a stable relationship. The whole time we wish we were playing as Snake, the game's actual Mary Sue.
>>323295257 >>323295480 How the fuck is he a mary sue if the FANS love him? He's awesome at fighting, yeah, and that's about it. Or what, are you saying that every character in existence is automatically a mary sue if they get enough fans? I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no idea what the meaning of 'mary sue' is.
>>323295862 >He's awesome at fighting, yeah, and that's about it.
Half demon half human cliche? Handsome as fuck? Complains about women while being surrounded by Lady and Trish? Can basically beat anything if he gets serious enough? Always has a cool attitude and never shows any self-esteem issues or lack of confidence?
I like Dante but face it, he's a fucking Mary Sue.
From TV tropes >She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing.
>Exotically beautiful Ciri has inexplicable white ("ashen") hair and is incredibly beautiful
>Exotic name Cirilla doesn't sound too exotic in the context of the world
>Incredibly talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas She has godlike fighting powers, is a great rider, is decent(?) witcher... we don't really get to see any more of her skills.
>Lacks realistic, or at least story relevant character flaws - or flaws are meant to be endearing Her "flaws" include >being impatient at times Literally what else?
I don't think Ciri falls under the general Mary Sue, but she is an incredibly boring character in the game, mainly due to her godlike powers and her obvious lack of character flaws. She even had a "I'm so powerful that I can't even control it" scene during the siege of Kaer Morhen, and it's awkward how everyone wants to protect her when she is the strongest character in the game and, as is evident from the gameplay even on hardest difficulty, absolutely slaughters everyone all the time with almost 0 challenge.
>>323298325 But all characters even though this game is not canon have the same backstories, in which ciri is no mary sue. Therefore she is no mary sue. And by the way even in the games she loses sometimes.
>>323296457 >Half demon half human cliche? How exactly is that cliche? >Handsome as fuck? Name a few main characters that aren't handsome in some way. >Complains about women while being surrounded by Lady and Trish? >while being surrounded by two women >two women Okay. >Can basically beat anything if he gets serious enough? Again, name one video game character who CAN'T beat anything in their own world once they get strong or serious enough. >Always has a cool attitude and never shows any self-esteem issues or lack of confidence? So being able to stay cool means you're a mary sue now? Guess that makes pretty much every MC in every single FPS a mary sue.
>>323295480 The problem wasn't that Donte was more flawed; it was that he was a lot more tryhard and less fun. He spent most of his time acting like a dipshit when Dante would have spouted some cheesy one-liner and kicked ass.
But you're right, Dante's appeal is that he's first and foremost designed to be fun to watch and play as. That sort of ridiculous character is something that usually only works in vidya and 80s action movies. If you tried to make a serious drama out of DMC instead of the two-ish serious scenes it allows itself, it wouldn't work.
Every fucking main resident evil character ever. I just finished all the main campaigns with a friend last night in RE6 (except Ada) and I started getting tired of the bosses coming back after the 8th time.
>Leon and Helena >Helena: "He's finally dead" >Leon: "we said that last time" >tfw the game makes fun of itself for bringing bosses back 8+ times
Plot spoiler for Chris's campaign if no one's played it I actually got sad when Piers was changing and you could see him being disgusted with his transformation. Then the feels came when he jettisoned Chris in the escape pod and he stayed behind
>>323290364 I'd be inclined to agree with you if we're going by MGR:R, but he gets his ass kicked way too often. People remember the Jack The Ripper and RAY parts on account of how ridiculously over the top they were, but the rest of the game?
>Fails to save the president >Get fucking destroyed by Sam >Gets his ass saved by Boris >Goes all PTSD before Monsoon >Get his ass whooped by Armstrong >Only beats Armstrong with Sam and Bladewolf's help
>>323295257 True for every game except 3, but Dante's character matches the gameplay well. He's cool, over the top, and is totally relaxed as he slaughters his way through demon after demon. That shit was inexcusable in DMC 2 though.
>idolized by Samus to the point of self-destruction >selflessly sacrifices himself for no reason to messianize himself >can knock Samus out in one shot with a dinky GFed freeze pistol that could only barely beat weak as fuck bugs at the beginning of the game
>>323295257 As much as I kinda hate to admit it, Dante sort of is a Mary Sue outside of the third game at least.
Actually, is he even Sue-ish in the fourth game as well? People at least treat him as the asshole he sort is at first. Sure turns out the Order of the Sword were the bad guys, but he does kinda bust in and start killing people, some of whom probably had no clue what Sanctus was up to.
>>323299471 It's funny, b/c Rey actually is pretty much a Mary Sue. I love how feminists constantly bitch and complain about Mary Sue women in media, then when they watch TFA and see Rey, they praise her.
Like, look at Finn. Retarded bitching from neckbeards about the new SW having a black male and a female protagonist aside, even a lot of detractors were okay with Finn once they saw the movie and found that, if anything, he was actually a great character. Rey on the other hand, basically does no wrong, knows everything, and even gets to defeat the bad guy at the end. It's bullshit.
> 1. > a phrase or opinion that is overused and >betrays a lack of original thought.
I'd say if I can come up with a list of times that it has been done before to the point that it fits into it's own category, then it is "overused" and "betrays a lack of thought". How else can a show something to be cliche without pointing out the times that it has been done before?
>>323304279 Generally it's not good to right a character who's a Mary Sue. You want your character to not be perfect, have flaws, and be relatable, so they can be complex, with a lot of depth.
But there's nothing inherently bad about a character being a Mary Sue though. Dante is pretty Mary Sue-ish outside of being kind of a jerkass but he works because he's just so entertaining to watch as he does cool shit and drop one-liners. That's fine and the creators don't even remotely pretend he's some super deep character.
>>323305296 The meaning has expanded to apply to any author self-insert. The term is usually used wrong though, as exemplified by this thread. People tend to call any important character they don't like a Mary Sue.
>>323305282 >Mentally disturbed and weak willed guy loses everything, is experimented on for half a decade, then crawls through the fetid cesspool of his life to ultimately triumph over his tormentor. But not before multiple mental breaks and the loss of even more people he is close to. >Mary Sue
Okay is mary sue anyone that has a degree of power?
I feel as though you people just see a powerful character and shout Mary Sue
I can see why you would think Ciri is a mary sue, but she has a plethora of flaws and is easily manipulated by most the people in her life. If shes a mary sue then Geralt "is the strongest fighter in the wolf fighting academy, fucks nothing but hot sorceresses that just fall on his dick, meets every king known to man, use to ride with the wild hunt" Rivia is a mary sue because he obviously has a lot going for him
>>323304551 shes the main character, why is it bullshit that she defeats the bad guy at the end?
Geralt confirmed mary sue because he killed eredin
Obi wan confirmed mary sue because he killed maul They are the heroes of their respective series or in Elizabeth's case in infinite, is the centerpoint of the plot so of course things are going to revolve around her, even though there is multiple sections revolving around booker and his past/choices.
A mary sue would be Vivienne from DAI, if anything. She is completely charming, always has the right thing to say, is never sussed by anyone in the entire game, strongest mage in Orlais, is good at everything she does
Seriously if you see her and Blackwall banter, she literally never loses.
>>323306654 >shes the main character, why is it bullshit that she defeats the bad guy at the end? Rey is a bit OP, but I see more issue when everything that can be said about her is equally applicable to another character and nobody bats an eye.
Its absolutely fair that Rey is not as well written as Luke was. But this massive backlash is very blatantly more to do with the fact that she's a typical male character who happens to have tits. MRAs find this problematic.
Again, the real issue is writing in Hollywood going downhill and maybe a dash of spectacle creep in her own franchise. Not her tits doing backflips without earning it.
"A Mary Sue or Gary Stu or Marty Stu is an idealized fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert and/or wish-fulfillment" most characters listed are idealized and have unrealistic abilities, why do ppl get so anal about the definition?
>>323308124 >Breaking News: Video game characters tend to be Mary Sue because of their nature as player inserts and power fantasies at the same time. This hasn't been a problem until Current Year. Now we must revolt.
>>323308124 Because, as you said yourself, you can twist the definition to describe any character you want to dismiss as a Mary Sue. The entire concept is fallacious if it's used outside of describing blatant self-insert characters you see in bad works of fiction.
>>323306654 >shes the main character, why is it bullshit that she defeats the bad guy at the end?
>uses the force to control a stormtrooper, succeeds after the second try >defeats a nearly trained Sith >all with NO FUCKING TRAINING WHATSOEVER >wrecks Kylo without ever having held a lightsaber before
The force was a "legend" or a myth before this movie, and I'm expected to believe that Mary Sue knew how to perfectly execute Jedi mind tricks and force pull a lightsaber? Fucking horseshit.
>>323290364 not that retard you responded originally and I cant for the love of Christ understand from yours and his post what's your point.
Anyway, since /tv/ learned a new word:"Mary Sue" for that lightsaber wielding vagina in new Star Wars Seven, I have a feels we will see this word:"Mary Sue" a lot on 4chan(at least on boards that deal with pop media :movies,comics,cartoons and games) , so lets at least put some effort into knowing what are we talking about: "A Mary Sue or Gary Stu or Marty Stu is an idealized fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert and/or wish-fulfillment."
So, as far as Ciri goes, she was born into most powerful family on continent and as such , she probably did had access to better instruction and scholars than most of the people, on top of that she was trained by one of the best group of Witchers and a Sorceress , on top of that, she is not pure-blooded and has some inane abilities, but on the other hand, she is childish at the moments, naive, headstrong, smart-ass.
She has some aspects of "Mary Sue" but she does makes mistakes and she is not shoehorned into the book just like that, she is actually an center of everything, sorceress are drawn to her like moths to fire, because she is like a walking Point of Power, she is what everything revolves from, she is not put on page 123 to save the day, if anything woe to the village she passed thru.
With all that being said, i honestly dont know, as far as the books go, she is story drive device and is important part of the universe, but even if people take just vidya Ciri into account, she leaves a trail of dead, innocent people behind her.
>>323294921 yes, but that does not mean he is mentally on the level of 25 y/o. There is some hidden wisdom and gray scale of thinking behind him only accustomed to older, wiser people. Just because he is in a body of a ~30-40 y/o doesn't have anything to do with his maturity. Also, fact that he survived to be an 100 years old in that world is a statement for itself. (but, if you read the books, you would know he did die before he hit 110 yo)
>>323302192 1 - you have to see gameplay as part of the narrative. if you alone take down an army of enemies then that must be canon for that character 2 - cutscenes and story is still forced on you so traditional story tropes still apply
>>323303616 He was always progressive I think, at least tolerating the alliance and stuff. If they didn't have Garrosh take over as war chief in Cata, the only path the story could take would be full on alliance between horde and alliance.
>>323304709 >a phrase or opinion that is overused >Implying the half demon and half human thing is overused Please, do post the amount of characters in video games that are like Dante. No, seriously, do that.
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