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>For Viewtiful Joe, we brought in some kids to a focus test and asked them, "What do you think of the characters?" And all the kids said, "Oh, his head's too big," or "Silvia's annoying, I just want to kill her." They were just trashing the game, so I just got pissed off and said I'm not changing anything.

Why can't more devs be this based?
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>>323130615
Because a good majority are beta.
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>>323130615
If you are just going to ignore their opinion then why did you focus test it in the first place?

Also nice source
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>>323130615
>I was told that my characters were unenjoyable
> I decided to leave them as is
> The game tanked commercially and is only well loved by internet plebs on 4chan

based indeed
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>>323130739
Focus testing has never done anything positive for video games, if anything it causes the game to be dumbed down for the lowest common denominator.
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>>323130615
>Kamiya thinking he is above criticism
How is that based?
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>>323130739
>nice source
Source is google you lazy piece of shit.
Sourcefags are the worst.
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>>323130754


Working on handfull of B-A tier console games. Collaborating with the biggest publishers. Has a character in Smash Bros.

I think He's going alright.
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>>323130615
Successful japanese creators are always the most based humans on the planet.
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>>323130615
No idea, anon.
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>>323130754
>tanked
>four games
>anime series
>tripfag
>canadian
Being wrong is one thing. Being a trip is embarrassing
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>For Lunar Scythe, we made a thread on /v/ and asked them, "What do you think of the protagonist?" And all the kids said, "Oh, her boobs are too big," or "The color scheme and scythe are too edgy, I just want to kill her." They were just trashing the game, so I just got pissed off and said I'm not changing anything.

Is it really a "based" course of action to ignore criticism?
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>>323131357
The man has a creative vision and he's not gonna let some pleb-ass kids destroy it.
Gotta respect that.
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>>323131357
An opinion =/= criticism
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>>323131334
You think they fucked?
Now that I think about it, is Kamiya single? You'd usually be surprised by what devs actually have children.
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>Wouldn't take off Bayo's glasses

I wonder what MS is doing to piss him off.
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>>323131357
Yes, because that character design is kind of cool and people generally have bad ideas about other people's work.
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>>323131847
Probably want to dumb down the game or fix things to be "politically correct"
Remember that MS will try and sell to the broader audience
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>>323131554
>is Kamiya single?
He keeps his arcade boards collection at home

Obviously he's drowning in cute babes
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>>323130615
>makes great games
>doesn't take shit from anyone
>blew goobergators the fuck out
Is there anything this man can't do?
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>>323132238
Kamiya blows everybody the fuck out, including /v/. Narrowing it down is just kind of not giving him enough credit.
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>>323130615

>Why can't more devs be this based?
There's others.

Both Miyamoto and Yuji Horii had play testers complaining their games were too hard. So they made them more difficult.
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>>323132238
Is goobergater some kind of reddit meme? I just started seeing that today.
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>>323131541
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>>323132238
He doesn't take "sides" or tries to make a message or something, he just wants to make games.
Which in this day and age is something I greatly respect.
He's honestly the only developer I give a shit about anymore.
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>>323130921
How is that not?
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Is the ds vj game any good?
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>>323130615
>directed RE2, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, DMC1, Bayo, W101
>all original games except for the one sequel (RE2)
>all awesome games
>RE2 is the third best RE game after REmake and RE4
>created the character-action genre with DMC1 and perfected it with Bayo1
>made the world's best Zelda game with Okami
>blocks everyone online
>doesn't give a fuck
>loves shmups and can 1cc them all the time

Too based.
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I would do anything to have some beers with Kamiya

I asked him question on Twitter once because a /v/irgin asked me too and he answered me honestly, it was awesome
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>>323130908
ie. The most profitable market.
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Reminder that I don't have it saved but Kamiya wants you to be the best you possible and only you.
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>>323135515
>destroying your vision just for some quick bucks

that's why video games suck now
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>>323135824
I hate it, but it's always profitable to appeal to fucking idiots.
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>>323130615
The kids are right though, Kamiya's head is too big.
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>>323130754
Kids don't have any valuable opinions regarding quality. Artistic integrity matters over your convenient argument to pander towards a petulant direction.
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>>323131847
Didn't they already piss him off by having him be a stage prop and forcing him to put together previews before it was ready?
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>We asked Mr. Kamiya about why Viewtiful Joe 3 never came to be
>"Well, the answer is actually quite complex. Essentially, Viewtiful Joe 2 didn't meet expectations, and Capcom wanted to ensure that any further entries into the series would be very high quality. There was also a secondary problem of Viewtiful Joe doing extremely well among critics and 'hardcore' gamers, but very poorly among regular people."
>"We floated some basic ideas. I had a basic outline for the game, but Capcom wanted to have more of a hand. They said, 'It's a game about movies and you already had a stage based on Star Wars and Indiana Jones. We want you to have a stage based on Paranormal Activity,' which at the time was very popular in America and mildly popular in Japan. I said that would be very dated, whereas Star Wars has stood the test of time. They said it was popular."
>"Another idea Capcom gave me was that girls, and by that they meant Silvia, tested poorly in the 14-20 year-old male demographic, which was Viewtiful Joe's target audience. They said 'Joe uses fists and Silvia uses guns, so add a character who uses a sword besides Alastor.' They wanted to add a talking dog with a sword in its mouth. I said I would consider it, but I was lying."
>"Ultimately the game never came to be. It was probably for the best."
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>>323136232
BLOCKED
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>>323131116
Burdon of proof is not on the person asking for the source fucknut
Arguing 101
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>>323136551
>Viewtiful Joe doing extremely well among critics and 'hardcore' gamers,
Certainly wouldn't with today's critics.

He was also completely right about Paranormal Activity and that part with the dog and a sword in his mouth is just hilarious today.
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>>323136551
That's just sad to read

>fucking Paranormal Activity

Jesus Christ Capcom
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>>323137512
Is it hard to believe how out of touch they are? Look at DMC.
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>>323130615
kids just want good graphics and grown up situations instead of just having fun.
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>>323136551
>They wanted to add a talking dog with a sword in its mouth. I said I would consider it, but I was lying.
Then he made okami.
What a douchebag.
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>>323130754
>tripfag bashes a good game to try and make himself feel smart
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>>323132879
it's a childish rendition of trying to demean the GG but makes them sound like they are retarded.
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>>323131541
>>323133227
God I fucking love Kamiya,

>They ain't comin off!
Gets me every time.
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>>323137724
No I believe it, it just somehow manages to blow me away every time.
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>>323134917
another anime poster proves, yet again, that anybody watching that filth are retards
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>>323137905
Is he a douchebag though? Maybe he brought that up when he was pitching Okami and the room full of stuck up executives thought the whole game was THEIR idea and greenlit it right away.
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>>323136551
>I said I would consider it, but I was lying
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>>323138101
Yeah Paranormal Activity actually might be my least favorite movie. It goes to show how off the mark they really are.
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>>323138085
>that one interview where he interrupted his translator for translating wrong and posed like a pinup girl
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>>323136826
>arguing
This thread didn't even present an argument you autist.
Not everything is a fucking debate.
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>>323137173
>>323137512
>>323137905
>>323138232
>>323138262
>believing that post with no source
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Double reminder that this is what happens when you get fucking kid and listen to them

... Which I seem to can't remember the name of because of how bad it was and how different it was when first previewed.

Anyone remember the name?
It first looked pixar/dreamworks like, had 3 characters with a black guy

and then years later it went edgy as fuck and stupid due to kid testers.

I thought it was Overwatch but that name sounded close to it.
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>>323130615
One kid seems to love the speedo man
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>>323136551
This copypasta is still around?
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>>323138379
Overstrike

later changed to FUSE
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>>323131338
Not him but as much as I love Viewtiful Joe, being a critical darling was all it succeeded in. Got two games, 2 spin offs, merchandise, and an anime series.

Capcom tried hard with it and tried to make it the next megaman but it just wasn't a success.
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>>323138379

OP here. kinda why I made the thread.

it was Overstrike. It became Fuse, edgy bullshit because of kid playtesters.
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>>323138375
Why would someone lie on the internet, and on /v/ no less?
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>>323130615
Not taking feedback is the exact shit this site always gives Dobson for. I guess it's ok if your asian because /v/ wants the gook cock so bad.
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>>323138379

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSptEzssc6M
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>>323138530
>>323138451
Fuck, I knew there was something off, thanks anon.

Shit is still painful as fuck to remember.

Fucking 12 year olds saying they will give it to their younger siblings.
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>>323138581
Advice from kids?
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>>323135186
It's a DS Viewtiful Joe game. If that sounds cool then go for it.

Pretty much like how n64/ps1 games would have a gameboy color spinoff/port
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>>323138379
>Metroid Prime: Federation Force won;t go through some reverse version of FUSE and actually become good
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>>323133227
Fuck
I really need to see Bayonetta in black lace panties now
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>>323138347
What was the line? And what was the context?
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>>323136826
>this is a thing
>i don't believe you
>look it up
>burden of proof is on you. haha sure showed him
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Good man.

Focus testing already ruined MGS4 and Dishonored.
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>>323135714
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>>323132163
Oh shit was this from GCCX?

Kamiya's so awesome.
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>>323138819
STOP, THE PAIN IS WORST AS A METROID FAN!!
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>>323135515
>Games are expensive to make.
>Focusing on the lowest common denominator will ensure us the most money.
>With more money, we can make our games bigger to compete with other games.
>This ensures games get even more expensive to make.
Why do we allow this industry to canibalize itself? We know cheaper indie games can be even bigger hits in spite of a lack of fidelity, yet we keep promoting this ever climbing house of cards.
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>>323132759
What game in Miyamoto's case?
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>>323138917
You know, for all his biker image and tough guy personality, he is still the guy who made Viewtiful Joe, W101, and the like. That tweet fits his message, so to speak.
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>>323138917
Thanks senpai
>>323139297
Well, he did pose with his mom.
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>>323139297
Of course. The man is a fucking genius. Definitely one of the best game devs of all time.

One of my favorite responses of his is here:

https://twitter.com/pg_kamiya/status/622589438028222464
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>>323132163
>Kamiya was lucky to wreck only a few hundred feet from a hospital, but still required surgery and months of rehab. This hospital stay was not without its own benefits. After discussing the ordeal Kamiya tweeted, "But, I did get with a nurse."

However, the next tweet read, "But we broke up a month later."

He's got the magic
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>>323139329
>Okaa-sama, when I become a man, I will continue being myself!
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>>323131554
>>323132163

He lives with his mom who is also based as fuck and is a cute japanese grandma type of lady.
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>>323139539
>>323139542
>>323139447
; _ ;
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>>323136826
The burden is on you to not be a fucking idiot. Demanding source for something that can be found on Google in less than 10 seconds should be an automatic ban on 4chan
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>>323138595
What the fuck. I must have missed that initial Overstrike trailer cause that looked fun and entertaining as fuck (plus, that Hives.). Fuse looks like your typical brown scifi-fps shit.
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>>323139948

i blame EA

when it shows the FUSE cover its typical fps cover crap
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>>323139282

Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels.

Keep in mind that back then playtesters were programmers. So they knew literally everything that was possible within the context of the game.
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>>323139436
Well shit, is there anyone who even competes with him? The closest I can think of is Swen from Larian, but that man only shines because of the all the adversary. In a different age, Swen would just be another face in the crowd, where as Kamiya stands out.
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Ayy
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>>323138581
There's a difference between taking feedback from kids and taking feedback from one's peers.
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I always thought cookieface itagaki was pretty based, even if his games kinda sucked later in his career
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I noticed Kamiya sometimes sends people links instead of answering certain questions. I finally took one of those journies.

10/10.
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>In April 2011, Hideki Kamiya met with the families of Tohoku earthquake and tsunami victims. After a brief interview in which he expressed his condolences and hope for closure, he reportedly burst out laughing and made rumbling noises and mimicked people being swept away by waves. He then picked up the child of a deceased victim and yelled into her ear "ASK YOUR MOM OH WAIT SHE'S DEAD, BLOCKED", and proceeded to put on a pair of sunglasses and unleash a barrage of martial arts attacks on the small child. She was rushed to the hospital where she was pronounced dead due to extreme trauma. When asked later about the incident, Kamiya became visibly sexually aroused and repeated the same attack on the reporter.
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>>323130754
>he doesn't like viewtiful joe
i hope you fail the bar so hard you hit your head on it you fucking faggot
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>>323142213
That's uh... interesting anon. Don't try so hard next time perhaps.
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Viewtiful Joe is one of the best games I've ever played. Fight me, faggots.
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>>323142213
>Butthurt: The Post
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>>323139447
>>323139542
absolute madman!
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>>323130615
Man's got more confidence than anyone else in the industry, I respect that.
Not that my respect means jack shit but still.
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>>323137905
There's nothing wrong with a dog with a sword as long as there's all sorts of mystical shit that it fits with, like in Okami.

However, in Viewtiful Joe, it would just be really stupid
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>>323138595
I was super hyped for Overstrike when I first saw that trailer.
I loved it. It looked like the funny, action-packed campy spytech thriller I've been waiting for since the Incredibles
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>>323142970
What about a dog with a chainsaw?
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>>323138581
Dobson is a hopeless nobody with no talent
Kamiya has talent and has been responsible for multiple fantastic games

It's not the same
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>>323130615
Feminists own your Western white knights.
Deal. With. It.
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>>323138595
>The porn of the Trailer Scientist that will never exist
Fuck
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>>323131357
Its a "based" course of action when you actually make good games and not meme simulators.
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>>323142607
>>323142680
Dudes, come on
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>>323143290
>Bayonetta 1
>Rodin refuses to put a chainsaw on your arm
>Bayonetta 2
>Rodin puts a chainsaw on your arm


Just maybe.
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>>323139539
>>323139447
>In high school, Kamiya bought a NEC PC-8801 to study programming but ended up playing video games every day.
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Kamiya: the Tomino of vidya.
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>>323141764
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>>323131357
Wait
That guy is STILL designing her?
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>>323138363
>>323139739
I'm with him actually, back up or step down.
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>>323143610
One man still stands tall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmbW4ueGdg
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>>323148960
You're just as much of a fucking idiot too then. Literally the 3rd result on google after this thread and the sheeky archive just from searching OP's quote.
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>>323130615
>brings in focus testers with no intention of listening to the focus testers


Based?
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>>323148473
>3. Don't read the instruction manual. The best games explain themselves.
Really?
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>>323149303
If focus testers provide useful test results then listen to them
If they only complain over trivial things then why listen to them?
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>>323149403
So only tell the devs what they wanna hear. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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>>323149303
>The opinions of focus testers can never, ever be wrong.

Moron?

Yes, you are.
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>>323149572
Strawman.
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>>323130754
>tripfag
>doesn't contribute on anything for the thread

as expected
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>>323142607
>>323142680
Autists can't take a joke as always
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>>323149359
No. The best games demand you to study strategy guides because they're so deeep.
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>>323149303
remember that listening to focus testers killed overstrike/FUSE, lol

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYowhad_1mw

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4brPYMBNa0

I remember when the first Fuse trailer came out and people were going fucking apeshit over what happened and there was an Insomniac employee in the comments responding to each person individually all "W-WAIT DON'T GO"
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>>323148473
It's funny because if you have that much of a bitch ass reaction to a joke in a video game you deserve to be mocked
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>>323135221
With you until Okami as the best Zelda.
>let's make Zelda super long, boring and padded with fluff.
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>ask a bunch of children to try out your game
>they fucking hate it
>f-fuck off, i d-didn't make this game for kids anyway
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>>323153797
Would you listen to kids' opinions?
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>>323130615
Silvia WAS annoying though.
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how can you *not* want to fuck him
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>>323130754
>see trip
>read comment
yep, pretty much what I expected
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>>323138363
You implicitly say that a thing is true by stating it you easily manipulable retard.
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>>323131195
Harada is such a boss
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>>323130615
I still remember the day this genius came to /v/. Goodtimes.
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>>323155879
that smirk at the end
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Kamiya probably had one of the best senpai a game designer could have back then. Shinji and him were and still are bros. It's cute how much he still looks up to him.

Also if he had long hair, I bet he would look like a badass wandering samurai.
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>>323142213

I'm impressed people actually take the time to write shit like this.
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>>323135824
>>323139269

Because AAA games are directed by people that have no love for them and just hand a list of things they want in the game to the devs before spending most of the budget on marketing.

The sad truth is with enough bullshit hype your game doesn't even need to be good.
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>>323130615
>Why can't more devs be this based?
>Almost every original project of their tanks commercially
>Platinum has to make multiple shit licensed games so they have at least some money on their own projects
>Platinum has to sign exclusivity contracts so they could at least get some additional funding for their games
>still tank
>dragon "sub 25 fps" game will most likely tank too
Kamiya may create some good games, but holy shit he's bad for business for almost a decade now. He should be glad he's in Japan, so they can't just fire him.
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>>323139539
Why is it that nobody ever posts the other picture?
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>>323155257
Would you if you asked for their opinions?
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>>323130908
I am scared about the rumour according to which Zelda for Wii U was ready last year, but they delayed it because of focus testing in which people complained about the game being pretty much like the NES games (you can get lost, not a lot of story).
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>>323159561
He was pretty handsome, especially with the hair. I bet he did well with the ladies back in school.
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haha
based kamiya
amirite?
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>>323131541
>>323133227
the keks are real
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>>323160404
Children are fucking stupid though.
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Why don't western devs have a personality? Aren't they allowed by their publisher puppeteers?
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Sometimes you just gotta listen to your heart
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>>323160742
Because most of the real devs left years ago to work on rockets and other projects.
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>>323131541
>>323133227
Fucking hell my sides
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>>323130615
Kids can be really stupid and really shouldn't get massive input on a game unless it's specifically being targeted at them.

But why the fuck would you even bother having a focus test in the first place if you are going to ignore all feedback? I wouldn't call that based. Probably was expecting to get easy positive blurbs that could be used for PR/marketing.
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>>323142970
He could be a Friender kind of robot hero.
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>>323161524
When you're storming for new, constructive ideas or outside feedback for a game, you don't have to accept every shit opinion inept people throw at you.
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>>323130908
Because MMOs usually peak in their release condition?
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>>323161754
Yeah actually.
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>>323161164
>A sort of mad as fuck wank-demon, if you will.
Why is this allowed in an official guide?
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>>323131334
What is this from?
That chin on the Bayo tho..boner killer.
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>>323160742
They fire and replace their staff for every new game.
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Focus testing killed 3d platformers
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>>323151543
also the reason Jak 2 had guns and got gritty, older kids love GTA and CoD, so youngers will try to act like them saying it needs to be less "kiddy" and be like CoD/GTA
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I mean... what do kids know about making a masterpiece? It's like asking grandmas on how to improve facebook - it'll fuck up the "vision".
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Is there an archive of when Kamiya visited /v/ or is it lost forever?
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>>323130921
He ended up being right about the game though. Same thing with Bayonetta.
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>>323130739
>nice source
new and retarded. kill yourself.
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>>323131541
I needed that laugh. Real men are a dying breed.
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>>323142213
I giggled.
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>>323130615
focus testing and demo charts and all that shit is purely business decisions and business decision tend to make shitty games.

as cave story has shown all it takes is one man with common sense and you can make a masterpiece.
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>>323161754
Not sure what you're implying.
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>>323131357
I still can't believe he is still making that. Is it a joke? How can a person pay so many artists to make the same character. Not to mention the guy doesn't even understand his own character.
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>>323135221
>perfected it with Bayo
He perfected it with DMC3, numbnuts.
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>>323138581
People criticize Dobson for TECHNICAL SKILL, not content.
There's a difference.

Nobody looked at Viewtiful Joe and told Kamiya "maybe if you used this camera angle, or this HUD instead, or if you used a slightly lower character resolution, or recolored Joe's outfit" etc. etc.

Nothing TECHNICAL.
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>>323174036
>People criticize Dobson for TECHNICAL SKILL, not content.
It's the other way around. He's a stubborn jerk and his work suffers from how lazy and complacent he's grown.
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>>323174346
>>323174036

Can we just say that blows on a fondamental level and pretty much anything he touches is thus soiled ?
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>>323148960
Unless you demand this same level of rigor in your entire life, quit cherrypicking.

>I claim 2+2 =4
>"BURDEN OF PROOF! BURDEN OF PROOF!"
>Fine, let's look at the iteration theorem applied to the successor function...
Quit being a fucking faggot you fucking cockgobbler.
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>>323173663
Kamiya has nothing to do with DMC after 1.
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>>323131554
Kamiya is married with a couple of children

He's mentioned it on Twitter
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>>323170729
Good. It was a shit genre.

Spyro, Mario, Crash, Tomba, they can all fuck off to the bottom of the depths.
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>>323174346
>It's the other way around.
No. Can someone post the screenshot?

You know, the one with the fill bucket tool.
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>>323152482
It's not the best Zelda, but it shits on Twilight Princess
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>>323131554

From the Platinum blog.
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>>323161524
>But why the fuck would you even bother having a focus test in the first place if you are going to ignore all feedback?
There is always the possibility of the test group coming with some perhaps obvious in hindsight observation that you never really thought of before.

But no matter. You have to understand that tests like these are made so that you can adjust how the product should be promoted.
Does your product not resonate with kids? Then don't advertise to them.
Does it resonate with kids? Then get those ads in between the morning cartoons etc.
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>>323175284
Yes, but it suffers because he's a lazy shit. His content is awful thanks to him being fucking Dobson.

His pencilwork, earlier animation and attempts at doing work out of his comfort zone are not the same subpar fill-bucketing and after effect slapping shit he seems to regard as a perfected art.

This isn't really the thread to discuss this shit, but you know.
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>>323173663
Kamiya didn't make DMC3 aside from giving Itsuno some feedback.
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>>323173663

Blocked.
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>>323176350

He looks pretty good for being a bald japanese. Some of those others look like wigs.
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>>323138852
Kamiya or the interviewer were talking about female characters and their cat-like gestures. The translator said to the interviewer that it was strictly a Japanese cultural thing which Kamiya interjected going "Chigau, chigau, chigau (no)" and said that that American gravure pinups had girls posing on all fours while arching their backs too. And then Kamiya went on the ground and demonstrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oI5p0k5tsc
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>>323177536
>The translator said to the interviewer that it was strictly a Japanese cultural thing
People really do lack insight and are blind to themselves.
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>>323176350
>you will never work under Kamiya and have him as an aniki-type mentor
;_;
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>>323138117
>tohou
>anime
U wot
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>>323130615
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>>323134917
>Narcissism is based
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>>323179407
Was this photo taken before or after he called Inafune a businessman and Might No9 an insult to their old home?
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>>323179776
Not sure, but it was definitely after Inafune shut down Clover.
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>>323135221
>pefected it with Bayo


AHAHAHAHA, no
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>>323148473
I miss when difficulties had silly hyperbolic names
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>>323179407
Inafune is clearly touching his back.
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>>323180165
nope
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>>323148473
>Telling people to skip parts of the series
This is a parody right?
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>>323148473
Sooo, every Id software game?
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>>323158678
Honestly, I'm surprised that Platinum still gets work after all their flops. They got Nier 2 this year, Scalebound next, and that rumored TMNT game.
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>>323179259
Oatmeal Cookie is a big guy
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>>323130615
Just got done watching the making of Bayo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVQ75oqqFo

That's some good shit right there. Had me laughing quite a few times. I was wondering why Bayo2 was missing a certain flare and this kinda explains it.
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>you'll never cuddle with kamiya and have him whisper tweet-sized insults into your ear

why live
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>>323130615
>why cant more devs put shit gamers dont like in their products

But they do. All the time.
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>>323160742

All of them are scared stiff that they'll upset Anita and the SJWs, so they don't say anything worth remembering and have no personality.
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>>323130615

They used to be.

But then something happened between the times of 2007 and 2009 in which devs got the idea that pandering to a base that doesn't exist will work out the best for them.
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>>323130754

>tanked

but Capcom was pleased with the results of Viewtiful Joe (especially since it was a very low budget game) that it got two sequels, a spinoff and an anime adaptation. Capcom was trying to make Joe into their mascot character, but that didn't work out cause Capcom isn't very good at maintaining something like that, as evident by the treatment of Mega Man and various other IPs.
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>>323175127
Tomba wasn't really a 3D platformer though.
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>>323130615

because gaming isn't a hobby anymore, it's a cash grab from the entertainment-starved masses
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those kids seem pretty impressive, they got it all right

too bad japanese phil fish wouldn't listen
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>>323182705

devs who are contracted by sony can't "promote" anything microsoft-related so asking them what they think is a good game is like asking regie what he thinks of the new halo
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>>323182987
that's sad

I told my friend that MGSV is good but he won't listen to me and just plays Destiny and TLOU multiplayer forever
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>>323183154
Reggie has praised non-nintendo games before.
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>>323130615
It's too bad he didn't take their advice on Sylvia. She's no fun to play as and the way she pussywhips Joe in VJ2 is awful. It would be a better game without her.
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>>323179442
Is Kamiya really narcissistic though. He openly admits he believes Kojima and Mikamia are far better creators than himself.
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>>323159765
Source? I don't want to believe this
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>>323136826
this is one of those cases of you being a newfag, though. all this shit in this thread has circulated around /v/ for awhile now.
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>>323131338
And being delusional is even further beyond.

Where is Viewtiful Joe now, if it's so great?
DEAD, like all the other trash concepts this man shits out.

Bayonetta is his best thing yet, and even that's an unwieldly concept (though at least not as impossible as VJ or W101), not to mention having angels for enemies was a fuck-awful PR decision.
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>>323130615

Maybe because making money is more important than pissing off kids?
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>>323135221
>>323152482
>comparing Okami to Zelda
don't do this
fuck you niggers
I played OoT, Phantom Hourglass and TP and I found Okami way more fun and interesting
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>>323138117
Newfag detected.

Why do so few people remember the greatest meme of all time, brocoli dog?
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>>323186238
If Megaman was so great where is it now?
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>>323158678
>All that yet somehow companies continue to hire them for games.

They may not make much, but a fuck ton of people know they are the go-to when you want an action game. They pretty much live on other companies needing Vanity Projects to stand out from the AAA mass, whatever they sell big or not.

IT hasn't ruined them so far so it's admirable.
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>>323130615
>hurr we're gonna bring in playtesters and just ignore them
>game sells like shit
>BLOCKED
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>>323130739
NEWFAAAAGGGG
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>>323186238
>Where is Viewtiful Joe now, if it's so great?
dead, along with literally every capcom franchise that isn't street fighter

>Bayonetta is his best thing yet
that's a funny way of spelling RE2
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Okay from shit I know, so far focus testing has given us:

>Turned Overstrike into FUSE. From a shooter with a fun design to the blandest generic dark n' gritty bullshit. All because young teens tried to act all tought "I-I don't play kiddy games. I'm a big boy!"
>Removed the crazy dark Mickey Good Mickey mechanics from Epic Mickey, removing the one thing going for it. Because people were butt hurt of "T-that's not muh Mickey"
>Made Portal 2 way easier than Portal 1 because puzzles are hard.
>Turned Jak & Daxter into a GTA clone because kids were into GTA and didn't want "kiddy games".

What are examples of Focus Group testing that has given us good results?
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>>323187195
They updated him, but then kept making garbage games until it died.

ZXA (MMZ/ZX in general were anime shit)
Killing MMBN instead of evolving it
Not at least releasing just MML3 on new hardware
X-Over
Collection games and ports to solidify the death

But there is that TV show coming in 2017. Maybe there'll be a solid reboot.
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>>323174772
You're dumb. Everyone knows maths (or at least should). Kamiya's bullshit opinions aren't universal knowledge.
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>>323187321
This
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>>323148473
Wonder how they would cope with Blade of Darkness, a game that calls you a fucking pussy ass faggot if you save too often.
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>>323130615
Still no source.
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>>323187457
>zombieshit
>surface horror in general

I respect the gameplay that the first few tried to do, but really, that was just a sinking ship.
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>>323182691
>Viewtiful Joe as Capcom's mascot.
There's a timeline where it truly happened, and I'm plrased to know that an alternative me is enjoying it.
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>>323187773
Focus testing also gave us Raiden in MGS2
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>>323186751
kek, what a retard. Half an hour of going in circles...you would think by the third or fourth time they would notice something was similar...
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>>323139013
>>323132163
What episode?
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>>323188425
Everybody hated Raiden until he became Naruto years later. And what that example of focus group testing also did was take Snake away from us.
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>>323187773
I'd only focus test the basic mechanics and menus, the characters' and story's appeal, and prototype merchandise.

That's it. The rest is best left to professionals.
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>>323188838
Is that what happened to Snake?

Thought that was a stupid move.

Think they can pull a "Oh, the Snake that died in MGS IV wasn't Solid, just a dupe, the real one's cured."?
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>>323159765
>complained about the game being pretty much like the NES games (you can get lost, not a lot of story).
Damn, i love stuff like this.
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>>323188838

I think you're a little confused there, MGS has never been shit on by focus groups because kojima has always had a "my way or bust" policy

MGS was hugely popular in america and being a massive westerboo, he made Raiden as an attempt to cater to the american audience (literally read anything raiden says in mgs2 with this in mind)

he took snake away for the same reason he re-used nanomachines for every story/plot he's ever done, he's just not too bright and a huge westerboo

a good example of focus groups destroying franchises and beloved characters is sonic, splintercell, crysis, bioshock (wait a minute, that card...) dragon ag- hell, any EA game at this point, and most of Ubisoft's catalog
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>>323186238
>not to mention having angels for enemies was a fuck-awful PR decision.

you are a idiot
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>>323139436
I don't understand. What did he mean?. He wanted people to finish the game so they can learn about japanese folklore?
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>>323186238
This. He should copy COD. It sells like hotcakes.
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