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Is this game even hard?
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I remember it spiking in difficulty randomly and I had to grind for a few hours to continue.
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Some enemies can fuck you over if you aren't prepared, like all FF games.
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As long as Quick Hit exists, no.
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>>323127128
Only if you are underleveled at the dragon vs plane fight. And that's only impossible because if you save right before it, you have no way to go back and grind the one or two levels needed to beat the dragon. Shit so stupid I didn't bother to finish it.
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DUDE LULU'S CHESTBEEFERS
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only if you're really bad at video games
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It was hard as reading a book to me. If you aren't a complete retard, you can finish the game half awake.
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>>323127384
You mean an ability you can't even really abuse the hell out of until the late-late game? Do tell more!
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It was hard for me to play in the sense that I was cringing the entire time
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>>323127128
Hard? no.

Grindy as fuck with sidequests that are not worth doing despite the rewards? Yes.
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>>323127128

Not if you know even the basics of the combat engine. Plus you literally cannot lose to the final boss.

About the only thing remotely close to hard is the final Seymour battle. And the optional end game dungeon.
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>>323127602
>best items and summons in games
>not worth doing

Bitch
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>>323127409

Are they drinking Canada Dry?
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>>323127602
You just described FF13.
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>>323127746
>implying Yu Yevon isn't an interactive cutscene
>playing the shitty NA version that removes the dark aeons
>forgetting the monster arena bosses
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>>323127128
>new to the series or the game

Yes

>if you're a vet

No

Although either way the optional dark aeons and penance and some of the arena monsters are very difficult either way
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>>323127826
FF13 is best combat though
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>>323127905
the NA version doesn't remove dark aeons, they just didn't exist yet.
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>>323127514
I had it when I fought Evrae
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>>323128076
Bullshit.
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>>323127905

>implying Yu Yevon isn't an interactive cutscene
That is what I was implying.

>playing the shitty NA version that removes the dark aeons
Dark Aeons are in the 'remastered' version. And are pointless. Since you can beat everything in the game without even trying to fight them.

>forgetting the monster arena bosses
Also pointless. Since grinding sphere's are pointless unless you want to fighr Dark Aeons...which are also pointless. FFX really has one of the worst examples of extra content in an RPG.
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>>323127128
main story isnt hard outside a few bosses. the optional endgame stuff is and takes lots of grinding and gear finding/making
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>>323128175
But did you have the MP or strength to abuse it? No.
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>>323127602

>grindy

You don't have to fucking grind. You can run the straight trek and beat the game without grinding, as a moderate challenge.

That golem before gagazet was harder than the seymore fight before I knew the glitch/exploit with him
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>>323128183
It was. 13's combat excelled in making your decision matter. There's no overpowered moves. There's no grinding until you can easily beat enemies. It all comes down to your choices. In 10 you can spam quick hits or overdrives, in 7 you could tri-cast Knights, in 8 you could early junction. Hell, in all final fantasies, you can easily grind to make all story mode fight a breeze. But 13 takes this out by making your snap decision and pre-battle set up the deciding factor. There's no easy way out except the long way.
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>>323128383
so you skip the challenge bosses to complain there's nothing challenging?
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>played this game twice through, once as a 13 year kid and once as a 17 year old
>easily beat it twice gaming over only on seymour flux and yunalesca
>watch Matt and Woolie of Super Best Friends Play go through it with a strategy guide on hand
>it's been about 9 hours and they don't even have rikku yet

how can you be so shit at vidya?
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>>323128543
it has an exploit?
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>>323127761
>dodging lightning bolts
>chocobo racing
>the fucking butterflies
Never again.
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>>323128460
Didn't really matter since the sheer amount of turns you get from Haste lets you steamroll every enemy.
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>>323128760

Use provoke, he only uses a move that does %hp damage.
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>>323127761

>best items and summons in games

And? Who cares? Is this so you can overkill the final boss that much harder?
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>>323128586
>13's combat excelled in making your decision matter.
Bullshit, it came down to getting a stagger and revving up the chain gauge. That has nothing to do with decision making
>There's no overpowered moves.
Considering there are barely any moves that aren't automatically done, that's not saying much.
Also it's incorrect. Army of One is very overpowered considering the entire point of the battle system is to increase the chain gauge as quickly as possible to deal more damage
>There's no grinding until you can easily beat enemies.
Yes there is, after you get to gran pulse.
>It all comes down to your choices.
Did we even play the same game?
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>>323129010
Again, you people always underplay the pre battle and the timing.
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>>323128676

I skip the end game when the focus of the game is the main story. Its pointless to do all the extra grinding required just to fight a few optional bosses with no reward.

FFX is not Dragon Quest VIII. Which rewarded the players hard work fighting end game bosses with a unique ending. In FFX, you get all the dark aeons and fight ridiculous monster arena stuff only to...fight the same version of Yu Yevon that you can't lose to even just spamming attack.
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Only that one fight where they force you to use the worst party member. I'm looking at you Kimari.
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>>323128953
>he doesnt know about the monster area or omega
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>>323127409
Lel Bleetzbol XD
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>>323129163
It scales to his level though, it's not that bad.
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>>323129163

>fight that scales with his level
>hard
>when you probably only have seed blast learned
>so you can use an overdrive every second turn because you can lancet all but the omega/ultima weapon overdrive from them
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>>323129115
I don't underplay it

there are basically only 6 paradigm combinations you need that will carry you through the entire game

Also what does the timing have to do with anything? Even without all the little tricks 13 is braindead easy to beat any of the bosses provided you leveled up your characters and gear properly.
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>>323129224
Here you go
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>>323129118
the point is to fight the extra bosses, were you actually playing this for the story?
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>>323128715
Gotta entertain the drooling masses.
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>>323129115

>pre battle
>good
>not just being able to control all characters and change their job individually like X-2 had
>good
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>>323129181

Does the monster arena or omega have anything relevant to offer? Character development? Lore? Does it change the ending significantly? Does it have the same pacing in terms of story/development as the rest of the game or is it some 30 second cutscene that makes you regret putting so much time into nothing?
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>>323129163

The only thing hard about the Khimari fight is you have to sit there and steal their known techs. After you get those, all it takes is one overdrive to kill them. And one of the techs you steal gives you instant overdrive...
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>>323128774
literally needing a walk through to do the damn butterflies. nope nope nope. i'm glad i played it when that kinda thing was fun for me.
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I ran into the Dark Magus Sisters today in a place I didn't expect. Didn't even get a turn off before they overdrived me for multiple 99999 hits.

How are you supposed to be able to survive those fights? I wasn't actually looking for them but the damage amount is so damn high.
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>>323129536
Matt IS the drooling mass.
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>>323129512

Does top left count with the most recent episode where they ignore the arms?
Before that fight was painful 3 fucking times to select "yes" over "not yet"
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Some of the bosses can be incredibly annoying especially not knowing what to do. The second Seymour fight, the Seymour mountain fight, the fucking Petrify Dragon (especially if Rikku isn't leveled), the first Guardian of Zanarkand, and the last couple of bosses (barring the very last).

Otherwise yeah, it's a pretty easy game.
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>>323129605

Max stats and like 150+ luck from memory.

Dark aeons might need break hp limit, penance doesn't, I remember that much.
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>>323129512
>Kimari is sexy
Holy shit is Matt just letting his furfaggotry out in public now?
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>>323129546
>not being able to set up gambits before a fight and adjust party behavior on the fly like in XII
>good
>not being able to switch party members instantly and each character having their own gimmick they could use like in X
>good
>not having 4 characters in the party and being able to set mages in the back row and warriors in the front like in IX
>good
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>>323129548
The optional aeons/dark aeon sidequest provides lore.
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>>323129873

My point was that it was FFX-2's system, but worse in nearly every conceivable way.

X-2 also had resource management since you weren't topped up every battle, and items actually had uses, fucking nothing better than a regular potion?
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>>323129512
Orange is already completed, Red is going to happen.
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>>323129403
For one, Army of One is useless unless you have the right set-up for lightning. The only reason you use it over ravagers is for the ATB buildup lightning has. Second, the "six paradigms" are different per player because there is no "best way to play" like how there was in previous final fantasies. And third, knowing when to heal and when to switch to a defensive paradigm is a crucial part of battle that many players new to the series struggle over. It's not like in previous final fantasies where you can just potion or heal when you need to. In 13 you have to balance that with the stagger.
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>>323128715
It's ok. Their commentary makes up for it
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>>323129975

Well, alright then. That's something at the least.
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>>323129605
Magus Sisters you're actually supposed to run away from until they split up so they can't do the delta attack.
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>>323129548
fun? more bosses to fight? the whole point of them is to give you (the player, not the characters) more to do after you've finished the story
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>>323129658
Yes it counts. So far they've wasted much time because they're too busy pushing shitty jokes and not paying attention to what the game, and the guide, says.
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>>323127128
can you name any RPGs that are hard? any at all?

bonus mode: don't underlevel then call it hard
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>>323130079

You are? Well I guess I did it hard mode then.

Just kidding I used yojimbo
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>>323130241
Darkest Dungeon. Etrian Odyssey series. SMT Strange Journey
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>>323129995
Hes adding to your point you retard not telling you Garment Grid was shit.
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>>323130040
They've already fucked up Lulu's overdrive twice now.
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>>323130379
>weeb shit no ones ever played

end urself
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not overall but it has some of the most notorious difficulty spikes in all of FF*

post game is pretty tough too in the international version where quick hit isn't broken*

*yojimbo not considered
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>>323130417
how? all you do is spin the joystick like mario party
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>>323127409
Albed Racism is pretty comfy subject yah?

Wouldn't mind throwing some of those Albed in a Gas Chamber brudda.
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>>323128884
I thing the dude you're responding to is talking about the international version where quick hit got a huge mana cost added
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>>323130440
Ok but I'm still right
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>>323130063
Yes, their out of sync, yelling, and "racist wakka" memespouting is really making up for the shitty and hesitant gameplay.
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>>323129512
>no rlm references
I mean come on
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>>323130440
>hard games
>popular games
pick one
Despite the git gud meme, the Souls series is still pretty niche.
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>>323130417
To be fair Lulu's overdrive sucks
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>>323130417
And I assume Matt will fuck it up 3 more times to get that square.
>>323130510
According to Matt it's a weird rotation that doesn't work. In reality it's just because he's not paying attention and by the time he does, he can't do it anymore, and the fact that he's actually trying to slowly rotate it instead of just waggling.

Also these are the ones they've got just in the today's episode.
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>>323130510
probably trying to do it with his thumb or some stupid shit.
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>>323130614
Oh, I never got to play the international or HD versions. I didn't know they changed it.
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So how is Matt going to lose the Kimahri Mountain Battle? I mean, there is no way he wont right, even if it's basically un-loseable.
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>>323130703
What is even the point of having Woolie if Matt's just gonna force his opinions down his throat. Why have Matt if he sucks at the game, doesn't remember anything and hates FFX
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Is Penance harder than Nemesis?
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>>323130724
that's all matt ever does.

>>323130756
Haven't you ever played a dbz game where you had to rotate the sticks as fast as possible? Just put that shit in between your palms and make circles. I can squeeze a shit ton of damage out of lulu
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>>323130947
I meant it sucks in terms of being useful
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What is echolalia?
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>>323130947
>make circles

You don't even need to do that, just put the stick into your palm and wave really fast back and forth, it works.
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>>323130897
he'll probably only use normal attacks, not lancet once
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>>323130916
He doesn't hate FFX, he's just parroting spoony's review of it.
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They will miss every fucking detour in the game.
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>>323131143
Why are the SBFP such parroting memers? I thought they played MGS2 and knew the dangers of memes
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>>323127128
>>323127128
the game is basically holds your hand two thirds of the way thew its only after do things get challenging
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>>323131128
He's already ruined Khimari. He went down the wrong path and was bragging about how much health he has.
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>>323130927
Yes.

Mostly because Penance is a long fight without Yojimbo, and one or two fuck ups will pretty much cause a wipe.
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>>323131128
Probably.
>>323131325
Poor Kimahri, even when he's used, he's used wrong.
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>>323127128
>enemies are pretty obvious with their weaknesses
>can swap out characters at any time so you can always use the most optimal attacks
>turn order is always made clear, and you even have skills that modify it to your benefit
It'd take some seriously willful ignorance to fail at this game.
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>>323131143
Doesn't change how he is forcing the opinion on Woolie. I'll never understand why they do that, if you are going to bring someone in blind let them form their own opinions on something instead of literally cutting off any thought they had to force a thought process.

>Matt solo LP coming up
When will this channel fucking die
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>Watching people play videogames instead of doing it yourselves
>Complaining about the way people are playing instead of playing it yourselves
Why do you watch this again?
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>>323131727
When Pat's solo LP happens (he's been asking on it about twitter). It'll be the only thing with views and he'll break off to form his own channel with Paige and they'll just sit there and shittalk each other and he'll be crazy as fuck playing Part #312 of Persona.
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>>323131863
I've played FFX countless times, now it's time to watch idiots play it and revel in how superior I am.
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>>323131887
And then you'll find a billion dollars on the street, your waifu will become real and you'll become president of earth anon?
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>>323130040
I'm surprised "They spend minutes sitting on a menu while discussing something completely unrelated." isn't in there.
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>>323131325
>Khimari is totally useless guys
When will the meme end? He requires minimal effort to bring on par with another character and his stats to start mesh well with any character type. Just stockpile slvls until you get a lvl1 sphere and burn him through to catch up super fast.
>>323131887
I doubt it, he has too many mental issues to be confident enough to break off. They are stagnating, and cresting the roller coaster ride on the downslide but have yet to tip over.

GG crossover will probably fix some of their slope but they'll fuck it up again when Matts stupid as fuck LP airs, and people realize FFX is going to take a fucking year.
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>>323132029
Are you trying to tell me hearing Matt masturbate over a edgy marvel villain isn't A+ material?
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>>323127409
>Woolie running the racist Wakka joke into the ground
>Matt actually acknowledging that the joke is getting old
>Woolie ignores him and keeps at it until it's well beyond annoying

What kind of weird alternate reality is this?
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>>323132094
If ThatGuyWithTheGlasses lasted this ling I don't see how TBFP will fail
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>>323132094
he's not useless, just redundant
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>>323132319
Lasting and succeeding are two different things, Cult of personalities like this rarely explode into failure, they just fade away or squander in mediocrity.

2BFP will do the latter, eventually one of them will quit(hopefully Liam) when it stops being profitable for them or a better oppertunity comes by, which is looking like an option this year as they continue to coast at the same amount of subs and wildly varying views.

>>323132464
Sure, but his blue magic can actually be one of the better limits so he has an edge over some of them. Hell his piercing weapon type is pretty useful early on if you take him down Tidus's path
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I'm playing this now and just did Bavelle Temple

Shoving in easy but time consuming and annoying puzzles is awful design

>mfw I redid it because I only had one sphere in the pillar when leaving and you have no way of knowing you would actually need two to get the second item
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>>323131545
At least speedrunners use kimahri well.
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>>323127128

It's tedious. Especially the fucking lightning dodge thing.
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>>323132694
how do they use him?
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>Wendigo fight first time
>lose Auron in the first turn or two with a berserked Wendigo
>catch on quickly
>kill both guards
>blind Wendigo
>unberserk Wendigo though also unblind it with Yuna
>two party members still up, one move before my turn is over
>go for a blind attack with Wakka

>miss

>unberserked Wendigo proceeds to attack twice in one turn for the first time in the fight randomly, killing two full health characters
>game over

Nothing has been "hard" so far, it's getting caught by surprise from something and/or bad luck
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>>323133117
>attacks twice randomly
Protip, the turn order is right fucking there for you to see
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>>323132319
I thought TGWTG failed?
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>>323133117
>physical attack while blind

you deserve it
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>>323133084
well.
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>>323133209
Pretty sure he had a double tap ability which threw that off
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>>323132989
is that even possible?
and what is it about every turn based jrpg where everything that's not a battle is a tremendous chore?
it's like they go out of their way to make even the simplest task as unpleasant as possible.

remember the train part from FFVII?
that could've been fun. but it wasn't.
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>>323133084
They abuse his ability to lancet and get instant overdrive and also his position on the sphere grid to gift Yuna ultima early.
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>>323133385
did he have his fists up? one attack could have been a counter to wakka's miss
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>>323132181
I'm just disappointed neither of them knows why Overt-Kill has that stupid name.
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>>323133209
Well I guess, it had just never done that before and Wakka had hit every single blind attack so I didn't pay as much attention to the order at that moment as I should have

Still, Wakka never failed blind before and he hit Lulu who had been dodging consistently with her high evasion
>>323133350
No one on my side was blind, Wakka had hit every blind attack before that

Anyways who cares, I beat it afterwards. Now that Tidus has slowga I just abuse it with haste in hard encounters and boss fights
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>>323132019
I'm already President of Jupiter, why would I want baby Earth? But really, at least we're getting a solo Pat LP.
>>323132094
Yeah, but Pat's solo LP will at least keep people coming back for that at the very least.
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>>323133425
>is that even possible?

Yes. It takes hours though. It's for Lulu's ultimate weapon IIRC.

To be honest, not all JRPGs have this tedious shit. I think it's mostly Square/FF games that do that. Missables and secrets are pretty common though.
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>>323133554
Ah yes! That is right although I myself don't remember having trouble with a single boss on my last playthrough. Even Lady Yunalesca was shit as I had noticed fiends before her boss door dropped materials to create anti-zombie gear which made the fight more than cake.
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Why don't they do hour long episodes of long as fuck content like RPGs?
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>>323133703
If anything I can see his solo LP causing a huge shitstorm behind the scenes. Matt did his NMH solo as a reaction to pat playing Evil within by himself. Can you imagine the salt overflowing when they see the pat solo LP get double to triple the views of the other shit?
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YOU HAVE TO GRIND A LOT
IF YOU CANT BEAT A BOSS, GO BACK GRIND SOME MORE
THE MOST PROBLEMS I HAD WAS AGAINST MOUNTAIN SEYMOUR AND JECHT AND I JUST WENT BACK AND GRIND TO BEAT THOSE CUNTS
FUCK SEYMOUR
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>>323133903
>He didn't poison Seymour
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>>323133903
>Grinding for any story related boss
You must really suck at this game.
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>>323133972
I dont remember desu, maybe I dunno but I had to grind a lot to kill that motherfucker
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no you can cheese any challenge with chain summoning and if that dont work Yojimbo can one shot any boss/phase including Penance.
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>>323133903
>not using "nul-x"
ishggydydytytt anon
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>>323134034
yeah usually my first FF runs are pretty bad like rushing to the final boss had a lot of problems against sephiroth in my first run
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Yuna's summons makes things so much easier. Even aside from their damage they can soak up free hits.
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>>323134191
I have no clue how sephiroth's super attack worked (planet comet thing) , but it had only did 7 damage to Cloud randomly, and the only reason i was able to beat him my first go
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>>323134290
Only reason TOO summon is to absorb hits when it comes to all the arena monsters
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>>323133850
Oh I'd imagine how much salt there would be and Pat would eat it up and shittalk them about it. It'd eventually just turn into Matt making more solo vids to outdo Pat, same with Woolie and Liam and Pat responding in kind. So while the rest of the channel would degrade into worse shit, we'd still have Pat, like we do now, only no annoying Matt.
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>encounter Sand Worm without a full party
>OH BOY LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THIS THING THIS IS BAD
>does little damage
>nevermind le-
>swallows a party member
>OH BOY I'M SCREWED NOW
>spits them up with no damage
>earthquake
>OKAY THAT HAS TO BE BAD NO-
>nevermind

Talk about misleading
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>>323134298
yeah I got lucky with Shadow flare
i didnt even had contain materia lol
the same with this game but I was easier to get through it
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>>323127128
It's Final Fantasy X because you press X to play.
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>>323129713
Basically this.
I remember being stuck on Seymour, Yunalesca, and Jecht
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>>323129713
>not leveling literal best party member
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>>323134805
>spoiling a 16 year old game
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>>323127128
I'm pretty shitty at turn based JRPGs, and I didn't really have an issue with it. I got through for the most part without any help, but I did have to turn to a guide for the airship dragon, Yunalesca, Mt. Gagazet Seymour, and Jecht.
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>>323127746
I lost 3 or 4 times against Jetch months boss form, he does way too much damage and attack like 5 times a fucking turn.
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>>323134805
I feel for you on that spoiler.
>>323135058
I leveled Rikku, I'm just aware that there are people that don't and don't realize how she trivializes a lot of things, especially the petrification dragon.
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Apparently people can beat everything in this game aside from the last superboss without using the sphere grid

I don't know what can of things they abuse to do all of that with no abilities, low agility, etc. Do the summons or overdrives do everything?
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>>323135421
Rikku's overdrive is what does most of the work
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>>323127128

Why do people judge whether or not a game is fun by whether or not it's "difficult" which is subjective anyway?
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>>323135783
Because people that play video games are the worst
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>>323127128
The main story wasn't hard, the optional dark bosses were incredibly hard though
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>>323135783
Because people find fun in challenging things.
Some people find unchallenging things boring.
Difficulty isn't that subjective. Unless you're a total shitter.
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>>323133425
I remember doing it 10 years ago, shit was TEDIOUS.
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>>323135202
>assuming everyone has played it just because it's old
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How viable are weird build runs with the expert grid for a story playthrouugh

Like building Tidus as a white mage, Auron as a black mage, Lulu as a thief, etc.
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>>323137473
Adachi is the killer.
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>>323131143
Spoony's FFX review was just awful, he complains about literally everything in the game even when it's uncalled for.

>ermagerd blitzball is so stoopid water doesnt work that way
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>>323137514
>sword user is the healslut of the group

This shit annoys me in JRPGs.
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>>323128715
>it's been about 9 hours and they don't even have rikku yet

The longer they drag it out, the more videos they can upload, and the more ad revenue they can collect.

What, you didn't think ALL YouTube Let's Players were just shit at video games, did you? YouTube Let's Players are shit at video games because it pads video length and gets them more money.

You're giving them attention and watching their videos, so you're responsible for this happening.
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>>323139623
he complains about standard video game conventions then acts as if he's insightful for bringing it up
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>>323137514
Remember that the characters' base stats are static, and their overdrives are based on their canon roles. My expert run was really just about making three characters really versatile at the expense of everyone else.
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