>In 2016, we plan to safely release one of our biggest games to date, Persona 5. When the game was delayed, we stated that we were going to do various finetuning to the game to ensure it was a quality product. However, I feel we’re almost at that point now. Please look forward to the next Persona 5 update soon!
>Persona 5 update
NOT A DRILL
>mfw I had enough time to improve from N5 to N3 because of all the delays
I hope to god they just give us news straight up this time.
My heart can't handle another one of those streams.
>It won't have JAP VA
Gonna enjoy that Troy Baker and Ashly Burch soooo much!
>thinking they will simply release new information
>after the original P4D bait and switch stream
>after the PV01 concert shenanigans
>after the super secret sharing prohibited PV02
>after the 40 hours PV03 suffering stream
They may as well not bother releasing it in EU at all.
I'd be more than happy if they focused their efforts on releasing games for region locked systems instead.
>tfw living in the EU
Fuck you too ATLUS.
Fuck that 40 hour stream, all that suffering to find out it was delayed
It's such a shame that both PS3 and PS4 are region locked, right?
I bet they will use the same voices as the main cast in 4, kinda like they always do. I hope you'll enjoy Yuri Lowenthal as that blonde guy and Erin Fitzgerald as Ann. If not the main characters they will without a doubt show up voicing a major side character.
Expect news/update some time in February. By then:
>Odin Sphere out
>P3M #3 blu ray out
>Final P3 movie in theatres
>SMT4F is out the door
The persona anniversary event is literally the only thing marketing has to be pushing after all this, and P5 will obviously be part of that.
GIVE ANN'S BREAST MILK TO ME
GIVE IT TO ME
Baker is a great VA, I'd love him to dub someone.
it's just a shame literally every single other professional voice actor willing to lower themselves to dub weeb shit is fucking awful
Where the fuck are all the girls Atlus??? You've only revealed one so far and she's the basic archtype you put in all your persona games.
Every persona game has atleast
>the bitchy one
>the mature motherly one
>the quiet/shy one
>the easygoing tomboy
Im still waiting.
>it's just a shame literally every single other professional voice actor willing to lower themselves to dub weeb shit is fucking awful
You know that the opposite is happening right? When a lot of VAs hit it big, they stop taking anime stuff entirely.
I wish Atlus would stop fucking around and just say when it's coming out. All this teasing is pretty annoying. I have no issues with them releasing as little info about the story and characters as possible, but the constant release date fuckery is just retarded.
>the creepy loser stalking Ann becomes a party member and is basically a slightly more restrained Adachi
Would Atlus be brave enough?
I don't know about the pink hair, but she's probably going to be a generic looking japanese girl to contrast with the 'exotic'(white) looking Ann
Also she is going to be voiced by Rina Satou and judging by how it sounds, it's probably going to be a Fuuka type character.
They officially confirmed it's because of dual audio. They were afraid they don't get to screw their Japanese customers enough if they could easily import western release for less.
Adachi wouldn't walk up to a girl on the street like that, more likely would be a restrained Mitsuo.
What I really wonder is how moral the cast will be. Their obviously more immoral than previous Persona casts, but I wonder will any of them kill or even do something worse at some point. I don't doubt that there will at least be a choice to kill someone but I think they will still be quite moral overall.
Considering that the theme of the game is Thieves, and the main character persona is called Arsene (as in Arsene Lupin), how big are the chances to see a Zenigata character, possibly as the main antagonist?
I love the incompetent Detective trope, gets me every time.
The connections are minor and don't matter much. You can play 5 without having played the other ones.
you can play this without having played the others. There might be a reference here or there, but it shouldn't be a problem.
Persona 3 stands on its own
Persona 4 stands on its own, but there is a school trip to the Persona 3 city, but you don't meet anyone important.
The closest thing to a Zenigata character would be the lady who is interrogating MC in the latest trailer.
She's voiced by Yuuko Kaida who was Burroughs in SMT4 and is a somewhat prolific VA so no way she's just a throwaway character.
They're a bunch of moralfags, we already know they're doing this whole "stealing hearts" thing to put an end to what they perceive as injustice. They just look like punks while doing it.
He obviously perform illegal activites, since Potter is shown surrounded by police forces atleast once and being interrogated in what appears to be a police station
What kind of illegal activites tho
>ps3 emulation won't be ready for p5 release
>too stubborn to buy a ps3
please don't spoil the game first week. I know star wars was spoiled because /v/ doesn't care about that garbage series, but please respect the vidya and don't make spoiler threads. thank you and god bless.
>please don't spoil the game first week
The game will get spoiled one week before JAP release son
Everyone who cares will have evacuated or set up so many filters that they can only see their own posts
The last boss is Dojima and the Persona 4 crew. You have to lose the fight and then the ending switches to Yu's prospective and the crew reminisce how they caught the thieves and say "onto the next one!" hinting at a Persona 6.
Isn't it rather obious that the cast is doing the thievery out of moral reasons? Like with almost all "Master Thief" Manga/Anime.
Look, it will probably very close to KKJ. Shadows/Demons/Personas are probably contained in objects of value, the people who own these objects act like assholes, the Cast steps in, steal the object and everything is cool again.
Add to that some flashy shit like sending Calling Cards before the heist.
They already practically spoiled some of the minor antagonists
>A teacher who exploits his students (Ryuji arc)
>Mitsuo/Adachi 2.0 (Ann arc)
>An artist who plagiarizes work (Yuusuke arc)
The first and last ones i got word-for-word from the famitsu article
I imagine brainwashing people with magic or whatever they're doing counts as "illegal activities", but they're still doing it for the greater good. I will extremely surprised if by the end of the game there isn't a bigger bad and the main cast is recognized by everyone as the good guys.
There's no actual stealing. Hashino already said that as shady as they look, their goal is to help people and "reform the world".
>he thinks P5 is getting a PS3 release in the west
Time to face reality, anon. There's a strong chance it, like DQ Warriors and others, will only get a PS4 release over here to push more console sales. Prepare yourself.
It does seem that way, but I was hoping that they would be more immoral than expected, the bug bad will inevitably be more immoral than them, but I think it would be cool if they were lawful and doing the right thing while the Potter-kun and the gang are just a bunch of assholes. It won't happen but it would be nice.
Of course there's no "actual" stealing, because that isn't their goal. They don't care about some painting or vase or whatever, they only "steal" it (or destroy it, or free it from a Shadow) so that the person that gets manipulated is free again.
The entire theming of the game seems to be Master Thieves. With references to Lupin (MC) and literal Cat Burglars (Ann, Morgana).
The guy with the Kitsune Mask could be a scammer, considering that Kitsune are known for trickery and high intelligence, as well as posing/transforming into other people (i.e. acting, lieing, conning people). And what are scammers if not thieves?
The only one that is hard to place is the blonde guy with the skull mask.
So how do you think his will be structured if these guys are minor antagonists? Will they serve as filler to develop the characters in between the progression of whatever the main story is or will it all be connected? Also, I like that a teacher is playing a more significant role, it's a shame Morooka, Toriumi or Edagawa never did.
>tfw no more spinoffs with P4 as the spotlight
>A software pirate
I wonder if they'll make fun of those who will pirate P5 on PS3
>The P5 crew visit the rural town of Inaba to get a taste of rural life
>They stay at the famous Amagi Inn
>Operation babe hunt 3.0 at the hot springs/that P4 beach ensues
Replaced with crane games.
Same dif, right?
In the trailer we can see black thought bubbles appearing while the MC wanders through the town. How do you think will these play into the game/story? Are people being corrupted by shadows, thus think negative stuff all the time?
What online features will it have? they have to follow up with something after golden. And I hope they release the extra edition as an expansion on psn instead of reselling the game at full pric
I will never get the point of this argument. If it sounds better, it sounds better. It might sound better only because you can't understand shit, but it still sounds better.
You shouldn't express an opinion on the jap dub's quality without understanding the language, but it's still entirely fair to prefer it to the English version.
>p3 was a little dry but i thought it was better too.
P3fags everyone! The game i so perfect according to them that they even defend the disgraceful dub, absolutley disgusting. Atlus stepped their shit up with the P4 dub but it's not even close to the jap voices, Kanji is the only one with a better voice n the english version.
>hating on Ikutsuki's dub voice
>Not ALWAYS listening to something in its original language
>Not knowing that the original voice always sounds better because it was the one that the creators had in mind when the creating the character.
>Being a amerifat
I bet that you listen to dubbed music.
Although I agree that people exaggerate about the quality of the english voices, it's understandable that they are pissed. I mean, it's pathetically easy to include the original voices and pretty much every game does it nowadays. I think that Atlus USA is just being stubborn due to fear of becoming irrelevant.
Hell, the could even include the original voices as a paid DLC and I'm sure that most people would pay for it.
isnt it supposed to be impossible to actually get the rights to all the voice acting without paying a fuckload. seems like expecting too much froma game thats pretty niche in the US/EU
Not really. It was when P4 was released, but it got much more popularity as time went on. Just see the difference between the views in the P4 and the P5 trailer. One has 400k or something, while the other has more than 3 million.
Also, I can guarantee to you that P5 is more mainstream than Drakengard or Dragon Crown and even these games manage to include the original voices as either payed DLC, or some content that you unlock while playing.
Irrelevant to my post and not even a good criticism because Teddie's VA is trash in english as well.
>I can guarantee to you that P5 is more mainstream than Drakengard or Dragon Crown
I kinda feel this way too. i have a feeling that Reddit might pick up on it due to cross posting too. so im probably wrong to describe it as pretty niche you're right
>Yes but it's much less trashy,
That's a matter of opinion. I think that both are pretty trashy, the one in english just seems a little better because you are used to it. There was many times in P4 where I mute the sound when Teddie or Yosuke were talking.
No it's not, it's still annoying as fuck.
No, people hate it because it lacks emotion and just plain sucks, one of the worst voices in the P3 dub, atleast Mitsuru and Akihiko are passable.
I think the worst thing with the english dubs is that they still use honorifics which doesn't make much sense in the english language. It's also cringe to be forced to listen to these amerifats trying to pronounce japanese names.
>atleast Mitsuru and Akihiko are passable.
I think that Everyone in P3 sounds good, except for Fuuka and maybe Ken. Yukari, Junpei, Akihiko and even Aigis are decent in my opinion.
>It's also cringe to be forced to listen to these amerifats trying to pronounce japanese names.
I could argue against your point about honorifics, but I really can't disagree with this.
>tfw not being able to hear Jun Fukuyama Tomokazu Sugita's beautiful voicework
I will give you Yukari, mostly because I enjoyed her english voice actress in Catherine(she voices Katherine). I can't agree with you on the others however, only Mitsuru and Akihiko were somewhat good in my opinion. I didn't like Aigis mostly because I played P4 Golden first and she voiced Kanji's mom, so I couldn't get the image of Kanji's mom out of my head whenever she spoke. Another problem with the dubs, they use the same voice actors for major roles throughout all of their games.
Also, for God's sake. Persona is a franchise that's set in modern Japan, people talk using japanese names, honorifics and also japanese mannerism, it doesn't make any sense for the game to not be in its original language. Not to mention that a big part of the fanbase is obviously composed of anime fans.
You do know that this happens in almost every game or anime where the characters are younger than 22, right?
Also, it's easy to find voice actors with ''younger'' voices. People with 18 years don't sound THAT different from people in their 30(depending on the person)
Hopefully the game feels neither bloated or unfinished.
Why do so many games feel rushed or filled with filler these days? The only game last year I played that felt like a complete whole was Bloodborne.
I just want games to feel like a well rounded meal. Really hitting the spot, instead of feeling like parts of a good game.
You didn't like Junpei's performance?I thought that it was one of the best in the game.
>Another problem with the dubs, they use the same voice actors for major roles throughout all of their games.
Yeah, this is definitely a problem. I hope they fix this shit now that the game gained more popularity.
That's because developers no longer want to make focused games. They just want to attract as many customers as possible and for that they will put a bunch of irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with the core idea of their product. Most open-worlds are good examples of that.
As you mentioned, Souls games are one of the few series that are faithful to their core gameplay/idea these days. But Persona series is usually like this as well.
Reading soejima's interviews in the design works made it seem like they had no intention of releasing broken games. But that was like 8-10 years ago and could just be bullshitting
A PS3 is very cheap nowadays and has good exclusives, like Demon's Souls. I'd say that's worth to get one if you never had a 7th generation console, that way you can play games like Dragon's Dogma, Catherine, Bayonetta and many others. However, if you had a 360 beforehand, I'd advise you to get a PS4 instead.
OF COURSE IT WAS FUCKING DEVELOPMENT HELL!!
YOU THINK THEY NEEDED TO DELAY IT ANOTHER YEAR JUST TO ADD SOME SHITTY FORGETTABLE MINI GAMES? NO THERE WAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE GAMEPLAY OR SCRIPT THAT THEY DECIDED TO FIX!! THE GAME HAS A VERY TROUBLED DEVELOPMENT
As you mentioned, Souls games are one of the few series that are faithful to their core gameplay/idea these days. But Persona series is usually like this as well.
Yeah you're right, the reason why games like Bloodborne and Persona 4 feel so good is because it comes off as having a singular vision with an end goal what the final product should be like.
However most games these days have to appeal to such a broad audience that it becomes-
>WOAH MAN LOOK AT OUR AWESOME GAME ITS EVERYTHING YOU LIKE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES A LITTLE BIT OF COLUMN A AND A LITTLE BIT OF EVERY OTHER COLUMN EVERYTHING YOU LIKE WELL GUESS WHAT IT'S IN THIS GAME.
It just comes off as incredible soulless, Destiny is especially guilty of this. Just because you like sushi and hamburgers doesn't mean a sushi hamburger is a good idea.
Maybe it's because I never played Golden, but P4 didn't seemed rushed to me. The last months stuff was weird, but it seemed like a design decision rather than rushed development. If you think about it, P3 doesn't let you enjoy your vacations either and that game also had additional content.
I don't think it was development hell.
Most likely the build of the game they had around the time they announced it for 2013 was very different to what they have now, probably closer to 3 and 4 in terms of scale and visuals. Then somewhere along the line they decided to just go balls out and make it the biggest, best game they could, and took the appropriate time they needed to do that.
I'm talking out my ass of course, but that's just what I think.
You didnt find it weird that the game just ended after you beat the dungeon besides the christmas date scene and just suddenly teleported you to march for no reason? Golden fills january and february with a new years event, sleepovers, getting sick, ski trips, another dungeon in february, more testing, snow filled inaba with different music. The last day before it cuts to spring is valentines day
It feels a lot more complete and normal than just rushing from adachi > last day
>The last months stuff was weird, but it seemed like a design decision rather than rushed development
Nah, they didn't have a fucking set idea of what they were gonna do, they even admit so in one of their interviews
>The team were an easy-going lot, Hashino revealed. For example, when they usually created a game, the team would compile a document with all the information about the game contained within. However, in the case of P4, they chose not to. When they idea was considered, the team figured that they had a vague sense of what was going into the game already, so they didn’t require one.
More like it. The game was bugged with game crashing bugs and they failed to properly port it to the PS4.
So fuck the PS4.
You talk like Troy baker is some super famous celebrity when he's just a shitty vidya VA. As some anons mentioned above, Persona is also much bigger than it once was and he did Catherine in 2011. So no, I don't think that Troy Baker is ''too big for Persona''. He's just a literally who
The original announcement stream, November 2013.
>long-ass Persona stream gets announced
>everyone hops in hoping for P5
>PQ gets announced, "fuck you Atlus"
>oh wait it's still going, P5 soon
>P4DAN gets announced instead, "fuck you Atlus", "Persona is literally dead", "I will never buy any of your games again", "I'm going to kill myself now"
>suddenly pic related
Troy was replaced with someone who sounds like him, whereas Chie's VA was replaced with a totally different voice, as if the original casting was a mistake.
>her VA was even more literally who than Troy baker
VA's have a hierarchy, and Troy is moving up in the world, even if that world is still shit.
As someone who is usually completely 100% fine with dubs, this pains me.
>I won't be able to listen to Ikeda
Goddammit, I didn't give a shit about the dubbing on P4, but this fucking hurts me somewhere deep down
My body is ready
Post the less autistical version
I love persona but have only watched normiecore anime because a lot of it is weeaboo high school garbage with insipid characters and plots. Black lagoon and death note are the best anime because they're straight up and theres minimal cringe shit in them
>spend half the development costs on AAA VAs
>the localization only spends a fraction of the original development costs
>the games sell many times more overseas than natively in Japan
>the money spent on the dub isn't even half of the total localization costs, which were but a fraction of the original development costs to begin with
>that's the dub we get in spite of being the region that provides the bulk of their profits
Why the fuck does western fans have such abysmal standards? If people hadn't bought trash tier dubs for almost two decades no matter how trash, we might have been able to avoid this. But now it's impossible. The shiteaters have already built their own grave and they've dragged everyone else down with them.
>US version still Q4 2016
>no dual audio
I wouldn't mind no JP voice acting if it wasn't for the fact that 95% of the good dub voice actors are too cool to do anime games anymore, and the fact that the translations of persona 3/4 were fucking embarasing
catherine was really good because the script didn't read like a fandub and it had a really great cast, but that game also sold like dogshit because it was too difficult and didn't hold your hand like persona does
>I hope you realize how retarded you sound with that post.
They simply can't. Just cringe at their idiocy or laugh and ignore then. Trying to talk with them it's useless, it makes those retards more excited and nothing more.
You are either a newfag who's trying to talk about a medium you don't understand, or simply a retarded who thinks that baby-tier attempts of trolling people are fun. Either way, I'll not bother with you when you talk like a newfag shitposter.
>give me only AAA voice actors no rokkie shits, I want Nana to tell me that she loves and masturbate to Ikeda's voice
>b-but Mr.Hashino what about the budget?
>fuck the budget
a is nothing but cancer and a majority of anime is fucking high school moe trash. Pretty much shovelware but in anime form if that makes sense. Sorry, your incest otaku pandering shit doesnt do anything for me. Please suggest some good story thats light on the japanese writing cringe and tropes though and i'll check it out, captain anime.
Stop trying to disassociate yourself with something that you perceive as being cringe because people told you so, or because you watched 5 titles of it. P3 and P4 are the epitome of weeb and it's cringe as fuck to see people trying to say that they like Persona but hate anime.
I hope we get to see Ann's naked butt in the game or anime.
You know what i mean, i just can't get hooked in what i watch, i just want to play fucking vidya where i punch humanity's sins with my bare fists and i can also summon satan to fight against death itself, i don't care about the artstyle
I hope so too.
"Weeb" is not an adjective
>you percieve as being cringe
Don't put words in my mouth you homo
I just can't get into most Anime, the most i've watched is simple shit like Death note, and....shit i think that's it
Anyway, fuck you
Do you realize that you are in a thread of a anime game that's set in a japanese highschool, has people using honorifics and has date simulators elements?
>Please suggest some good story thats light on the japanese writing cringe and tropes though
I'll not spoonfeed a massive shitposter
>If people hadn't bought trash tier dubs for almost two decades no matter how trash, we might have been able to avoid this.
No, if people hadn't bought trash tier dubs we wouldn't be getting any games at all, there's a multitude of other series that're nippon only that's proof of this.
Every persona game is full of incredibly stupid and annoying japanese tropes/cliches that exist to be wish fufilment for japanese teenagers and manchildren who wished they were popular and successful during high school, and appeals to people in the west with similar mindsets on top of being exotic and foreign
Is that better, you pedantic asshole?
>Ikeda is also going to show up in SMIVFinal
>People unironically calling themselves "weebs"
When did we get to this point?
Wasn't weeb suppose to be a word used to troll people by putting people who like something Japanese under one umbrella?
Embracing it is literally the last thing that we should be doing.
Yeah and in that same game you go saving people from their troubles or a tower that only comes out at night. You talk to people and help them with their problems. You team up with a group of strangers and unite to end a threat thats plaguing humanity.
Theres barely any weebshit in persona and thats why its great. It feels like a 90s jrpg. Who the fuck cares about date simulator. Its a 1 minute scene where someone just says they love. OH WOW IM SO HARD ITS SO BEAUTIFUL!! I dont care for that shit because I have a gf already. I suppose losers like you put such forced scenes on a pedastal though because its all you got.
Why cant you reccomend some good anime though, captain anime? Arent you trying to prove me wrong in that its not all garbage?
Things got to a point where even Persona thread are filled with people wanting to disassociate themselves with the weeb label. What's going to be next?Neptunia threads will be full of ''totally not weeaboo'' posters?
It lost all meaning anyway, it just mean peoples who like anime at this point, which should be nearly all of 4chan normally. Don't think about it and transform into a car already.
>"I HATE ANIME AND ANYTHING RELATED TO ANIME"
>"BETTER POST IN A PERSONA THREAD"
Yeah, but the reason weeb became a huge buzzword was exactly because anime fans tried to dissociate themselves with the term. Meaning, that they would try to call other weebs and make fun of ''weeb things'' even though they enjoyed anime and japanese games themselves.
People are ''labeling'' themselves as weebs here because of retards and trolls trying to pretend that Persona isn't anime as fuck. If we were to go by the actual definition of the term, watching anime doesn't make one weeb anyway
>if people hadn't bought trash tier dubs we wouldn't be getting any games at all
This is true now. But it was less true in the past.
Today trash tier localizations are still mega successes that rakes in millions upon millions. So when a game fails today they blame the product no matter the quality of the localization since it's proven that trash localizations still sell.
But in the past when everyone were still trying out the waters, they would question the quality of the localization.
The only reason we are stuck the way we currently are is because the equilibrium of localizations stabilized at the utter bottom.
>thread spiraled into sub vs dub shitposting again
well atleast it isn't furry shitposting
Normalfags want to say that they like anime without being judged as weirdos. So they pretend to hate highschool/harem shows and only praise things like Ghost in the Shell, Berserk, Monster and Cowboy bebop for example. In the case of this thread it doesn't even make any sense because Persona is just as otaku pandering as harem shows are
Actually normalfags would be in the right for once. For all the shit you elitists fags give those shows, they have much better themes, stories, and characters than generic loli tsundere moe problem in high school senpai 3029 garbage. Anime can be good as seen with those shows and like death note and code geass, its just too bad so much of is shit and has to pander to losers who exist only to jack off to generic loli character tropes
>they have much better themes, stories, and characters than generic loli tsundere moe problem in high school senpai 3029 garbage
>don't like most anime
>this causes a shitstorm
Never change, /v/
>Mary sue protagonist who's super popular in school and gets all girls while having no personality.
>Teenagers with hidden powers in modern society
>Power of friendship defeats all
>Girls are bad at cooking and guys are forced to eat it
>Not otaku pandering
Oh no, Elder Lord Anime is angry that I dont watch classics such as the hamster anime and putrid liquid shit like lucky star and kon. The most "anime" anime i enjoyed was the world god only knows, mainly because how alpha keima is.
Good themes, entertaining motives and story, and strong main characters push the story forward despite all the yaoi and bishie scenes. Much better than watching generic moeblobs designed literally to appeal to otaku trash cook in high school
> they have much better themes, stories, and characters than generic loli tsundere moe problem in high school senpai 3029 garbage.
First, I never said that those anime are bad. Second, There's many, many anime that doesn't fit in your shitty, hyperbolic definition. Third, I don't even know why I'm replying to bait.
Keep convincing yourself that the weeb shit you watch is any better than the weeb shit other people like.
Now go, normie. You're going to miss that football game
That's your own opinion. Catherine is less otaku pandering, but that doesn't mean that's better than Persona. The quality of a game isn't defined by how you perceive its target audience.
I have never played a sport nor seen a football game, sorry Elder Lord Anime. While i watch these fictional sports games you keep torrenting all those bland generic 12 episode shitfests and pretend youre enlightned.
literally everything he mentioned is in persona 1/2 as well besides social links/dating
in some ways persona 1/2 are MORE otaku pandering because it has characters like eikichi who goes from being normal teenager to guy with magical powers fighting monsters with a gatling gun guitar case within 10 minutes and doesn't ever stop to question how insane that is
Try to convice your normie pals and family that "C-Code Geass is totally better than other anime!" and post results
The themes are handled way better and (for a lack of a better word) much more maturely in catherine than they are in persona, which means the writing isn't sarrachine "you can solve all problems with magical powers and friendship" nonsense
catherine also has a much more meaningful social interaction system because instead of it being framed as "you are awesome, now go and be awesome" there's an actual chance of fucking things up based on your decisions in the dialogue scenes because catherine isn't a game designed to assuage the players ego
persona and games like it are the video game equivalent of comfort food. Would you argue that a bag of chips isn't objectively worse than a steak?
>all my pals and family
Funny you say that, since I only have one friend besides my gf. Ive watched code geass with my sister who is a total normie and she loved it. Ive seen GITS and played through persona 3 and 4 with my gf and she loved them, we plan to play through P5 together. But i cringe at the thought at showing either of them your trash like neptunia or hamster anime, which makes you clinically retarded if you put them on same tier as code geass or persona.
>choice to kill someone
This shit pisses me off in JPRGs because like in Persona 3 Portable even if you get the choice and choose to kill, your character and party will just be like "lol nvm killing is wrong :)"
I wish a game would do this but instead when you choose to not kill your character changes his mind thinking the person would be too much of a threat to let go and decides to kill him instead.
They protag has to work for his shit, and girls get jealous and even break the S.Link.
Meanwhile, Yu can't do anything wrong
P3 protag isn't a mary sue, his life was shit and he died
Power of friendshop didn't defeat nyz, jist forced a stalemate
Yukari can cook, and Fuuka never forces you to eat her stuff, she also gets better, unlike every fucking girl in P4
>which makes you clinically retarded if you put them on same tier as code geass or persona.
Yeah, you're right. Umaru is much better than that stupid shit. It's on the same level as Persona though.
I bet you are one of those cucked americans that get triggered at 2d anime titties. And speaking of cucking, you gf is getting backed as we speak
>Power of friendshop didn't defeat nyz, jist forced a stalemate
>They protag has to work for his shit, and girls get jealous and even break the S.Link.
He has to do the exact same thing as Yu, which is answer arbitrary questions in the right way.
>P3 protag isn't a mary sue, his life was shit and he died
He's still super popular, get all girls, is the leader of the group, is popular and saves the world. If anything, being all depressive and gloomy is even better for otakus to sense insert.
I'll give you the cooking one, but that's it.
LOL, this is why no one takes hardcore weebs seriously. You think 12 episodes of tired old shitty gags is better than an anime with an actual plot and character development scenes and struggles. Fuck i hate you moefags, you have killed anime and are tanking japanse games hard with your demand for awful shit and cookie cutter characters and stories because anything higher triggers you and makes you cry into your anime pillow
My gf is great and very loyal, no wonder youre so fucked in the head. You cant argue without thinking of cucks and niggers fucking your girl.
Can't wait for the announcement of a PC release.
Will P5 have an ost as goat as the other games?
I cant find a good acid jazz song that I feel could work in the game
>anime with an actual plot and character development scenes and struggles
I thought you were talking about Code Geass
Wow, what a great argument
>Yu has to do the same thing
The only girls that need stats are Ai and Naoto, every other girl can be fucked by just talking to them
>He's still super popular
Only in the first months because he's new, then they just forget about him.
>, get all girls
Again, no he doesn't, they can break the S.Link when they see you with other girls, and only two gilrs show interest for him, one of them is a toaster
> the leader of the group
Only in combat because he's the one that was the strongest, Mitsuru is the one caling the shots, she even forces you to go to tartarus if you ignore it
> is popular
You already said this
> and saves the world
Yeah, let's ignore that it cost him his life
>The themes are handled way better and (for a lack of a better word) much more maturely in catherine than they are in persona,
Not really, the only difference lies in the age of the characters. In fact, I think that Persona deliver its themes much better than Catherine due to how failed the choices and metric system were in that game.
The sense of catharsis that I had at the end of P3 was much stronger than In Catherine. The plot in Catherine was messy as fuck and all of the characters besides Vincent barely had development or characterization if you compare with Persona games. Also, that twist at the end about population growth felt incredibly anti-climatic and came out of nowhere.
Not to mention how that the meta about ''Vincent climbing into adulthood'' at the end was forced and unnecessary.
Im talking about normiecore anime which is ironically a lot better than the shovelware anime a promotes. I think its just meta at this point, youd need more autism than a kingdom hearts-smash bros-minecraft-sonic fan to actually enjoy watching that shit though.
>Not on PC
Who cares about this trash?
>Ikeda's line features three times Char and not once Shuichi Akai from Detective Conan
>Wow, what a great argument
I don't need to make a argument when you can just watch on fucking Youtube. Minato literally defeats Nyx with the collective power of friendship at the end.
>The only girls that need stats are Ai and Naoto, every other girl can be fucked by just talking to them
Not the point. So, Minato is less self-insert because he has to go to karaoke and drink tea some days at the week?Are you really that stupid? The point is that both can fuck every girl in the game by simply giving them the right answers. Even if you ignore Yukari, Mitsuru and Fuuka, you can still get Elizabeth, Chihiro, Yuko and Aigis anyway. The only thing stopping you from fucking the rest is a grinding system. W o w.
>Only in the first months because he's new, then they just forget about him.
There's several scenes at the game where girls check on him and say that he's good looking/hot. For example, in one of the interactions with Chihiro at her social link.
>Only in combat because he's the one that was the strongest
Not relevant. You could argue that Naoto and Yosuke are much more important than Yu at the investigation too because they are the ones who solve the mysteries, but Yu is still called the leader, just like Minato.
>Yeah, let's ignore that it cost him his life
So?A mary sue giving his life to save everyone is one of the most common things to happen.
Whatever normie, you bored me. Check up on your gf, trust me. I guarantee she is getting blacked
Ive seen like 20 anime and read a few manga. Actually reading prison school now, on chapter 32. Great great manga with great art, characters, humor, and plot
When its good its great but theres just so much loli otaku trash to wade through
Still a very low number. You need to watch more stuff to form a opinion about the medium and to also form your own taste. If I had to guess, I bet most of the things you watched were entry-level stuff and/or things that aired just a few years ago.
>YFW pic related is returning
It's Sho time baby
I just want to say you're both retarded because both the 3 and 4 protags are supposed to be self inserts. There are a couple things that are predetermined for both characters but ultimately most of everything about them are determined by the player.
>because both the 3 and 4 protags are supposed to be self inserts
Read the whole chain of replies you lazy fuck. That's exactly what I said. The discussion happened because he tried to claim that P3 was different.
Ive already said ive seen normie and toonamicore stuff. The face of modern anime is just girls talking about nonsense in a high school cooking class. I dont need to watch that to know its shit, my instinct is correct. Welcome to the nhk is my favorite anime since i discovered it when i was a neet. I really like the berserk manga but its so slow. I loved oyasumi punpun but a lot of arcs dragged it down. Prison school might be my favorite manga now
P3P has the most content from what i understand but its broken easy if you care about that. What gets me is that in P3P you dont move your character around to talk to s links or walk around the town. It kinda just feels like youre going through menus the whole game.
>The face of modern anime is just girls talking about nonsense in a high school cooking class
I could name numerous anime that don't fit in your retarded definition. You could claim that many anime are trash or mediocre, but guess what?It's the same with literally every medium. Most games are also bad, generic, formulaic and soulless, but it is shallow and ignorant to say that only mainstream stuff like The Last of Us and AC are good because those were the only things that you tried.
It's blatantly obvious by your posts that you have a entry-level knowledge about anime and that's why it's hard to take you serious.
So why dont you name some then? Every time i want to be pointed in the right direction and watch something with substance like death note or gits i'm told im baiting. Youve already waded yhrough all the trash moe otaku anime for me, thanks, now share the good stuff you found please?
>persona and anime are different!
oh man, thats good.
I mean, if he means that they're different in the sense that persona is a video game and therefore not strictly an anime, i guess but, that doesnt change the fact that the art style is very clearly based on anime art styles.
P3P is easy? Can you give me some tips then? I'm constantly underlevelled and have difficulties with bosses, I'm currently stuck on Strength and Fortune because Ken (my only healer) is MIA.
>just lost job
>will need to get a PS4 for this game
hope it gets delayed another year so the price drops
It depends on your definition of what's good and what's bad. If I had to guess by your posts, it'd be things without or with very few anime cliches, tropes or mannerism, however you stated that you like Code Geass, which is heavy on anime cliches. it's also hard to want to spoonfeed a shitposter like you.
There's both good and bad things on this chart, depending on your preference.
research positions are hard to come by here
at least those that pay
>slice of life
See this already cuts out 40% of that list because its all forgettable shit with generic characters and trope settings. Code geass has no cliches besides it being a grander than life setting and events but it was still fun to watch, had an actual story and motivations, and lelouch is an awesome character, i dont care what any a shitposter says about him.
There's not even that many Slice of lifes or romance in that chart. And Code Geass has countless anime cliches , you would know that if you watched anime instead of parroting what other people say.
What would actually be improvements to the series? What happens to the series if you remove the self insert pandering and instead the goal is to become a decent human being instead of the power fantasy of having everything given to you? What if we got a fair amount of new, fuseable personae that weren't SMT demons?
>va for Misaka and Tornado
Oh I hope they are party memebers
Well even if it has tons of cliches there was plenty of good stuff in between it all so it was never heavy on it. Yeah i remember the high school and cooking stuff but that was just a portion of all the scheming, battles, betrayals, deaths, that filled up everything else.
Sorry, youre another autistic a kid instead of the cool guy i've been talking to. Back to pirating your garbage big guy, gotta impress mom somehow anime warrior
Yeah because theyre all the same shit.
>kid starts in class
>girl looks at him for 2 seconds
>blah blah for 20 episodes
>last 3 episodes they get together
>a kiss is the highlight memorable scene of the series
Slice of life is irredeemable garbage, same with romance
>Hating on Laura Bailey
>implying that Atlus was big before Persona 4
Problem with romance in anime(and most vidya) is that it's always teen shit. Best romance in a manga/anime I have ever read is the romance between Guts and Casca in Berserk because it feels like grown up(real) love, not shitty teenage "he's so cute!!! Does he love me or not?!?!" garbage.
>keikaku, fights, and dying are what make an anime great
Have I got a good animu for you. It has all sorts of plans and schemes, and all sorts of crazy twists and turns. The fights are huge, the setting is so large and mindblowing that it can barely be depicted correctly, and you never know if a character is set up to die only a chapter later It's
Did you forget the movies m8?
Aria, Haibane Renmei, Azumanga Daioh, Nichijou, Sora no Woto and Usagi drop are one of the few Slice of life anime listed on the chart and none of them have what you described. Not even Haruhi, which was copied many times by other highschool anime, has what you listen in your epic greentexts.
Again, you don't know shit.
This is what I'm talking about. It's so fucking obvious that this poster watched less than 30 anime in his whole life and yet, he feels like he has the knowledge to talk about it.
Like I said above, it's like watching some kid who just played AAA games like CoD, Uncharted and GTA talking about how vidya is shit and only has uninspired games.
Nope but i just looked it up on myanimelist. I like the premise and the sound of this hachiman guy. Might give it a download
Yeah thats what i mean. Im glad you get it. One of the reasons I love the beserk manga is because the romance feels mature instead of shitty high school shenangin rehashes that anyone can predict.
I used to watch bleach on tv actually but never really got into it. Naruto, bleach, one piece with all those hundreds of episodes or chapters, just too daunting to jump into on a bored afternoon for me personally. Plus fans from those look like inbred retards
I havent heard of half of those but
>sora no wotoshi
Holy fuck, god no that shit is unbearable. I gave each of those 5 episodes each since they exploded in popularity here and they were absolute trite. More otaku shovelware tier trash anime that I keep mentioning
Code Geass has more slice of life than half of the things on that chart anon.
>What would actually be improvements to the series?
I would like if they expanded on the simulation aspects. I know a lot of people think the dating sim aspect is a joke, but I think it's part of what makes Persona games stand out.
I hope they add more options and things to do out of combat. I would be overjoyed if they expanded on the the strategic elements of social links, or whatever the new mechanic is called. Making your social stats matter more, making your choices on things like what club or part-time job you choose having an actual gameplay effect, making getting a girlfriend be more complicated than just maxing their social link, having your activities in the sim have an impact on your stats in combat, making social links interact more with each mother (like two links that go work against each other, work too much on one and the other goes down ex.) etc.
>I love the beserk manga is because the romance feels mature
I agree. Really, the combat and dungeon crawling is already straightforward enough. I like that they would be changing the dungeons up for P5, but I'm more interested in the changes to the SL system.
>so it was never heavy on it
Everything from the mecha designs to the cinematography itself is heavily lifted from other anime and manga.
There are even 1:1 shots with other works.
It's what they like to call fanservice. You know actual fanservice and not just eroticism. Though there is plenty of eroticism too.
This is the type of stuff that the likes of /m/ as well as most of /a/ knows like the back of their hands. It's made to appeal to them and it's front loaded as fuck.
That's like saying there are no cliches in something like Star Trek or whatever just because you don't know anything about Sci-Fi and just can't tell.
You can enjoy stuff in other languages through the use of subtitles just fine.
Well sure, compared to Twillight or something.
You can say a lot about Berserk, but it's not really a pinnacle of writing.
I wouldn't say Berserk is bad, but you can't really escape the fact that isn't a grimdark powerfantasy and not much more. It's good at what it does, but there's no reason to put it on a fucking pedestal.
I actually can't wait to find out which English VA's they're getting.
Some anon is spouting off about how Berserk shits all over generic HS romance because it has better romance. If you like it for the aspects that Berserk is known for, that's one thing. If you think that Berserk has a better love story than CCS or the like, then you're fucking retarded.
No it's not, you are objectively wrong about this. The biggest difference between the romance in berserk and teen shit is that it's spiritual, not physical. You never see Casca walk around thinking about how cute Guts is and that she's too embarrassed to talk with him. Instead she has to come to terms with her identity she has set up for herself and that she is capable of change. She realizes that she still loves Griffith but the love she feels for Guts is another kind of love. There's also mature themes of how love is not all about taking but giving aswell, perfectly demonstrated by how Casca accept Guts for his faults and is willing to be there for him and help him through his traumatic childhood experiences. It's all well developed and feels fitting for two adults. And then I haven't even mentioned Guts inner battle of following his own desire to fight Griffith or sacrifice his own desires for Casca by protecting her and (hopefully) cure her.
Also, name one teen romance anime/manga with a line like this:
>I do not know what the future will bring, all I know is that I want to keep holding you and make love to you hundreds... no, thousand times more.
Berserk is one of the most well written manga out there, it's not just some edgy anti-hero with a big sword that kills demons, it's got a lot of mature themes. The Golden Age arc and the one with the children and the elves have pretty amazing writing compared to other works in the medium. It's not some shakesperian masterpiece but as far as comics and manga go, it's a pretty fucking good read and full of good writing.
>Also, name one teen romance anime/manga with a line like this:
This porn game for basement dwellers has plenty of lines like that.
English VA are good
Look, I like Berserk quite a bit, but lets not get crazy here. Berserk doesn't hold a candle to stuff like Goodnight Pun-Pun, Bokurano or even Vinland Saga, in my opinion at least.
To anon's credit, the translations for Berserk are usually much better written than most scanlations, regardless of how good the source material is. Beautifully written Japanese doesn't matter if it's mangled into awful English.
>haha hey guys we heard you like punpun a lot and wonder what his problem is, ready to know more?
>nah nvm lol, heres 25 chapters of another character and you might see punpun and it might connect to him too even if i i feel like
>oh and wait, here take this crazy deluded guy who says the universe is ending and completely fall flat on the climax of his purpose by just making him start a fire lol thatll be good
punpun was painfully average
>guy sounds mad in gook
>haha this is perfect! i am a japanse culture expert! he got mad really cool!
>guy sounds mad in english
>haha what the fuck? he completely missed the point. god this is fucking shit, *snickers* pst, those english fucking newfags are missing out on this premium content and voice acting *tips fedora and grabs handful of goldfish*
Anyone with any familiarity with English voice over beyond localizations should say otherwise. The problem, most of the time, lies with the localization companies themselves and with how the English VO industry is so much more segregated. Take a look at something like Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold's English version. Its voice production of plagued with issues, most of which are the fault of or that at least could be mitigated by Atlus or the VO director. Some of the worst performances come from actors who are otherwise good performers, and in some cases, it's clear that the production team didn't give enough shit to redo what were obviously horrific line takes. Then you have issues of blatant miscasting and cases of the director (Patrick Seitz) even voicing characters himself, leaving the direction to who I can only assume are Atlus or recording employees.
Everything's done on a budget. The game was recorded at one of the more economical studios for game recordings in the LA area (Cup of Tea), and the game was clearly stuck with nonunion/ficore actors.
That issue wasn't really present with the Japanese version, because if nothing else, the industry doesn't segregate its talent pool for games. You can easily get heavy-hitters for Compile Heart games, but you could never do the same for a niche localization company. The production pipelines just aren't in place to promote great talents, unless they're actors who are just moving through the nonunion phase for more prestigious work. None of this is to say that dubs (including Untold 2) can't or haven't had great performances, but the industry infrastructure is so fucked that it's all despite itself. There's a reason why dubbing is considered bottom-of-the-barrel work for getting your foot in the door.
Then you have cases of Atlus USA employees defending their dubs (at the expense of dual audio), not based on their quality, but on the effort put in. It's so fucking tone deaf to their fanbase.
I'd rather hear shitty english voices than have my ears raped by high pitched kawaii desu uguu jap voices.
Atlus USA doesn't put dual audio in their games because of the licensing fees. They're cheap, that's all.
The posts defending dubs and saying "dubs are worthy of your respect" is just them trying to dance around the issue instead of admitting it's a money issue.
I'd really like to see the dungeon crawling be a little more involved. Instead of 'Find the stairs for X floors, get checkpoint, kill boss, repeat'.
Maybe make them a little more zelda-esque, at least SOME player involvement with the stages. It would be a good opportunity for the bosses to be more thematic to match those suddenly-more-memorable stages and not just be 'X mob from 10 floors ago, but way bigger and a slightly different shade of blue'.
I want to love Persona games, but they've become so fucking bland and the story is hardly keeping up with the dungeon slog.
I know that. I'm saying that most of the dissatisfaction, whether it's from no dual audio or from lackluster dub performances, stems from either lack of funds or competency, to a much starker degree than you'll find in most Japanese productions or in other English VO genres. Atlus USA just happens to exemplify that, especially lately.
Though that's also not to mention that Atlus' PR hasn't done the best job of dancing around that issue or of defending its practices without throwing portions of its fanbase under the bus.
God no this is a terrible idea
The dungeons are visually exciting in p4 and there are no stupid trial and error bullshit you have to look up online or spend an hour on repeating stupid shit until you randomly do the right action to get ahead. All p5 needs to do is copy p4 dungeons, make them less static, better detailed etc and thats it, they were perfect there
But they're functionally boring, and aside from one of the 3rd stratum puzzles that just didn't translate well, Q's dungeons showed that they can be good ways of breaking up the monotony.
I can't wait for based Atlus USA to BTFO all these weebs.
I can't believe people are actually content with FIND STAIRS
There's so much world to build on, there's no excuse for 95% of the player interest to be in the meta. If they just presented their content better to bridge the divide between crawlan and the rest of the game, it could come off a million times more entertaining.
Judging by the content and writing style in that guy's post, he's the same guy who made a post last night saying that Nocturne, Strange Journey and Digital Devil Saga were all horrible games with bullshit trial and error dungeons and artificial difficulty and that Persona was so much better designed.
>mfw weebs will NEVER EVER get dual audio in a Persona game