>tfw the west will never get more Dragon Quest after 7 and 8 flop due to piracy being widespread now
It hurts /v/. Why must pirates ruin everything?
No, but you are for believing the Industry scapegoat. One reason I'm glad Vita was never fully hacked is that we don't have retards like yourself blaming its failure on piracy.
The people that are smart enough to know how to pirate are also smart enough to realize if we don't buy it, the series is kill. If they pirate in spite of that knowledge, they're not a fan and wouldn't have bought it anyway
>>tfw the west will never get more Dragon Quest after 7 and 8
No you can blame that on Square Enix not just piracy. You weren't getting more games anyways why delude yourself. Do you need Square Enix to fuck you in the ass some more for you to realize that?
>he seriously thinks the vocal minority on /v/ that pirates shit represents the entire industry when in reality most 3ds owners don't even know it's possible
This is what happens when i allow myself to be happy about something. You couldn't have waited to blow open the 3ds until after DQ7/8 were out!?
Are golems good in the DQM games? They're my favourite monsters.
>Bring over Dragon Quest Hero and that is not a Dragon Quest game
>Bring over HD version of game we already got that isn't censored
>Why aren't you buying are games ?
Maybe they could've you know brought over one of the game we have never had before. They just do this stuff because they know they won't sell and they have a reason not to bring over the new ones.
Actual dedicated pirates who won't even buy a system until it's cracked are harmless, but sadly the world is full of half-assed pirates, the sort of people who pirate PC games while buying PS4 games. They're the ones paying companies to invest in copy-protection over game content.
In DQ's case, it's proving to Square-Enix that the west is still interested in Dragon Quest. If DQ7 and 8 bomb because everyone pirated them, all Square will think is that those baka gaijins don't like Dragon Quest after all and we will never get another one.
You niggers are so dumb.
Let me break it down real easy like.
When a store gets a game, the company is already paid for the game. It is now the store's job to sell that game.
Stores don't buy the games from the company at MSRP. They buy it for less.
Example. GAME costs $40.
STORE buys GAME from COMPANY for $30.
STORE then makes PROFIT from selling GAME, but not much PROFIT.
This is why some stores would rather you buy the game USED. When it's USED, they keep ALL the PROFIT for themselves.
So when GAME is on SALE and it's NEW, STORE makes less or no PROFIT, because THEY (usually) had to mark down the game themselves.
Buying used is BAD for COMPANY because THEY don't make PROFIT for GAME. This is why shit stores like FUCKING GAMESTOP would rather you buy USED.
Piracy will have nothing to do with it, S-E have already given up on Dragon Quest. That's why all they're releasing are remakes, not real games. Quick easy cashgrabs before the brand is retired in the west.
DQ10 never ever. DQ: Never Ever the franchise.
Joker I had the base Golem at an A rank. From there on, I think it's a D rank monster. You can still make any monster viable with the right synchronization and skills trees. I fucking loved Joker and its sequel. Even worse, the current Monsters game has 800+ monsters, some being four-size. And I thought three-sizers were massive.
Dude, we are getting DQVII, DQVIII and DQXI for the PS4, all confirmed.
How much of a fucking faggot do you have to be to still be a pessimistic baby?
Be honest, you just loved spamming that never ever can't have it pic did you?
DQ fans on /v/ are literal cuckolds.
And when they aren't getting cuckolded, they cry about it and pretend the cucking is still going on.
What's that? we get 6 dragon quest games in 2 years (DQH, DQH2, DQB, DQVII, DQVIII & DQXI) and yet most people in this thread are still pretending that Square isn't supporting the series on the west.
6 games, six, the west is LITERALLY getting 6 Dragon Quest games in 2 years.
You should all commit suicide.
I really hope you aren't getting the 3DS version anon, DQXI on the 3DS looks like every other DQ game on the DS.
DQ never gets games with high production values, don't waste it.
No they didn't you fucking idiot
They said they would bring over more DQ if DQH does well
Then DQH did OK and they still bringing over DQ7 and DQ8 for 3DS
Fuck you dickhead get your fucking facts right, they aren't holding anything hostage
You know, if they did a HD version of DQ8 with all the 3DS stuff on Steam/PS4, I would pick it back up.
Fuck playing it on the 3DS. To be fair, I am planning on picking up the DQ7 remake.
None of those are confirmed for localisation besides DQVII and VIII.
DQVII also came out in 2013, it didn't come out in the past two years.
Please get your facts straight you dumb piece of shit.
Vita failed due to rampant psp piracy.
No dev wanted to put shit on a device that has a track record like that.
Thats why vita only got low budget kusoge, they get a profit at 10k software sales
DQXI is already comfirmed you fucking retard.
So is DQH2.
DQB isn't comfirmed but it's not text heavy it's literally minecraft with a few RPG elements, of course it's coming to the west.
Admit it faggot you just enjoy getting fucked in the ass and crying about it.
>DQXI is already comfirmed you fucking retard.
>So is DQH2.
Please cite actual sources, because I believe you're just speaking from your ass.
>DQB isn't comfirmed
So, not confirmed.
>Admit it faggot you just enjoy getting fucked in the ass and crying about it.
>muh cuck xD meme
You need to be 18+ to post here.
When are they making a cm for DQ7/8?
On the side note there's statistics that show 80% of Dissidia players had a pirated copy.
Piracy fucks up consoles completely. Which is why I advocate piracy for consoles, it needs to die faster.
Well I'll buy them.
I just pirate the fully out of reach shit like MHX and some DLC.
Naw this is pretty dumb
I mean for fucks sake look at the size of the Americas and Europe compared to the spit of land that is Japan and they still won't localize even when out of millions of people several tens of thousand are probably going to buy the game?
There was 100x more piracy on the original DS and Dragon Quest games still sold 400,000-1.5 million units.
This series will do fine. If anything, four years of intense negative attention coupled with the most popular DQ games in the west being re-released will see higher sales than expected. We could easily see DQVII sell over 500k and DQVIII sell over 1 million. Even more if SquareEnix actually puts some fucking marketing behind them.
>FF Explorers will be the first victim, making its online unplayable with people one-shooting everything
>DQ VII Will sell less than 200k thanks to Pirate fags
>This will cause a delay on DQ VIII for chrysmas release for Nintendo to try to sell the game for maximum profit but it will be too late regardless
>We will never get MH X localized thanks to the massive software drop thanks to pirate fags
I am glad the 3DS only have 2 years max of life left, too bad piracy arrive when critical japanese games that would show we actually care are coming, DQ is forever curse to do horrible in the west
I'm generally for piracy and emulation, but optimally I'd like to see it happen after the generation is over.
When it happens after the gen is over it will play a vital part in catalogizing shit because servers definitely wont last forever.
But when it happens when a system is still going it can fuck with niche title sales a lot.
As a pirate I will happily buy games before the console is cracked. I haven't bought a game that wasn't used since the Brawl release, though. Blows my mind that people will pay full price for a game when they could get a used copy for $20 less.
>people that want stuff for free will expend money for things they could get for free
I pirated on my PS2 back then, and let me tell you man, I never expended a cent on any games at all but FFX because for some reason the chip would not recognize the game. Even master pieces like FFXII, DQ VIII(how I fell in love with the series), and dark cloud 2 never saw a cent from me, do I feel like shit for doing that? yes, but I was not making decent money like now, would I have bough the games if here was no way to pirate then? at least half of the games I pirated and finished.
Well its free compared to the DS, but with the DS it was pretty much plug and play after buying a flashcard.
Shit like Emunand and Sysnand might blow peoples minds.
I'd expect many stores to pop up that mod your 3DS, just like in modchip days back then.
>mfw the series will finally be laid to rest
>do I feel like shit for doing that? yes
You can make it up by buying DQVII and VIII on 3DS. Your purchase of DQVIII back on the PS2 wouldn't have helped as SquareEnix went full retard back then. But a purchase of the game on 3DS could be vital for securing more DQ games in the future.
>implying it's widespread
thanks for the keks homie, stay delusional
>3DS piracy is rampant because I know about it
No, it really isn't. Does it exist? Sure. But its nowhere near as common or well knows as the original DS.
>Japanese localisations are fucking finished
That must be why we already have all the Etrian's Odyssey, SMT, Nippon Ichi and etc games. Literally the only company shying away from localizations is SquareEnix. The company who's games sell the best in the west.
>There's a reason why SMT IV Final hasn't been announced for localization yet.
They already released SMTIV. And unlike Japan, not every game gets multiple versions in the west. Same issue as Dragon Quest Joker 2.
>Because it's not coming west now due to piracy.
Your evidence just proves that Dragon Quest games with no marketing sell less than other games. Has nothing to do with your claim that piracy is keeping Atlus from localizing a specific game.
And about a dozen other additions. Just the added story for Medea and Marcello is enough reason for me to play the remake.
But I find it funny that this game is introducing on field enemies, which western fans obsess over. But no one seems to know or care. All we hear is endless whining about a couple costumes being different. One of which is even more risque than the original. Its also ironic since people claim the graphics are a downgrade. If the graphics look worse, then what does it matter how costumes look?
why would i buy something i can get for free? so what if some games cease to exist. i will just play something elss. and if that happens to all games I would do something else like go out?! You fucking pathetic fucks pretending like the world revolves around vidya
>There's a reason why SMT IV Final hasn't been announced for localization yet.
>Because it's not coming west now due to piracy.
jesus christ you're fucking paranoid, piracy isn't even half of the issue you obviously think it is
Don't know since I haven't played the game yet. But the Arena Monsters are there. As well as new ones only found in the 3DS game. They might just make them glow or have a unique aura or something.
>There was 100x more piracy on the original DS and Dragon Quest games still sold 400,000-1.5 million units.
Yes, which caused SE to stop localizing DQ games, or even letting Nintendo do it for them.
>why would i buy something i can get for free?
You wouldn't steal a car.
You wouldn't steal a dog.
You wouldn't steal a house.
If the company has their own online store, then they effectively cut out the middleman, meaning that they do not, strictly speaking, have to sell it for less than the MSRP, especially since the costs of digital games are usually the same as the physical release - this is to avoid pissing off retailers into not stocking their games at all, thus hurting profits in the long run because retailers not stocking the games results in a large loss of overal market. This is especially true for consoles, for which the majority of purchases are physical. Digital releases are also not usually capable of being turned in to a used game store, which means that their game will not be later turned into a game that someone else buys that they don't actually profit from.
Costs like packaging and shipping are also cut out, but somewhat mitigated by keeping the store's servers running and updated.
Well why would i give a fuck about other people. it doesnt influence my life if they do or dont get paid. i get paid well enough and i work for government so im set and i couldnt give kess of a fuck about these entitled developers. or your opinion for that matter.
>Yes, which caused SE to stop localizing DQ games
Except SquareEnix never said this.
its also easily proven wrong when you see that SquareEnix continued to release DS games that sold less than DQ games. They just had a specific bee in their bonnet about not releasing Dragon Quest games specifically. Which changes recently when SquareEnix shifted its management in 2013.
>claims devs are entitled
>thinks he has a right to the work people create
>I WORK FOR GOVERNMENT SO IM SET AND COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK NEVAH PARTING WITH MY SHEKELS
Sounds like you're the entitled one here, not the developers. I pirate too but jesus christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
DQX will probably never come over because it's an MMO and something something justifying international releases of an MMO. I fully expect DQXI to come over, though.
Maybe in the future SE will release DQX over here, but I imagine they'd need to try to cater to western players enough that they'd keep playing it
LMAO at idealists thinking piracy doesn't affect sales. Realistically, I was going to buy that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but now I'm definitely just going to pirate it once my SD card ships.
Does it? Could've fooled me since nobody gives it any attention, and for good reason. Even Sony calls it a legacy platform.
If anything, piracy would help the Vita by alerting people that it still exists. Piracy is one of the only reasons the PSP managed to stay alive after the DS took off.
>If anything, piracy would help the Vita
You stealing games would not help the vita. I'm glad the vita isn't cracked because that means localizations will keep happening. While 3ds localizations are going to taper off really quickly now.
Piracy hurts niche games more than it does major AAA releases. The irony is, many people who pirate niche JRPGs will also run out and pay full price for the latest Assassins Creed, Halo or Pokemon game. So a niche game loses 50-100k sales from piracy, dropping it from 400k potential sales to 300k. While a much bigger game sells 10 million and has almost no piracy.
If you're gonna pirate, at least pirate huge big budget games that are going to sell millions. But support lesser selling series by actually purchasing them. But this is implying pirates are reasonable.
Doesn't shitposting and baiting ever get old?
>You stealing games would not help the vita.
Piracy is not theft, it's copying.
>I'm glad the vita isn't cracked because that means localizations will keep happening.
Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.
>While 3ds localizations are going to taper off really quickly now.
3DS is getting localized remakes of games that were released in Japan a couple years back, so localizations aren't slowing down.
>Dude I got this free copy of a game right here through illegal means, that means it's alright cause it's """"""""copied""""""""
>Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.
Who gives a shit when they're happening?
>3DS is getting localized remakes of games that were released in Japan a couple years back, so localizations aren't slowing down.
Compare 3DS to NDS and notice how pitiful the platform is especially in the west. It barely gets anything.
Nah, I acknowledge the pay model being a reason. That said, if they worked on it, it could survive. The issue is really the pay model + system it's on. Not even trying to do a console war thing, it's just that the playerbase in the west isn't one that could support P2P by itself.
Square's other MMO is P2P but it has the Final Fantasy name behind it, plus the sony platforms rather than the Nintendo playerbase. If it released in the west its playerbase would almost entirely be the PC playerbase and not the Wii/WiiU
>Piracy is not theft, it's copying.
So much bait, so little fish.
>Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.
There's a difference between unit sales and profit. The game is completely made and just sitting in Japan. Plus, Nintendo is willing to cover all the publishing and distribution. Even if a DQ game only sold 100k copies, it would still make a profit. And Dragon Quest games sell significantly more than that, even with zero marketing.
In other words, you're an idiot who is arguing about things he doesn't understand.
I only pirate games that
1) Aren't being localized.
2) Are released in such limited quantities that you cannot find a copy unless you buy it from a scalper for more than its worth.
3) The game is no longer being printed.
Dragon Quest games have suffered from all of these things. Which is why it is the one series I pre order without exception.
I find them hilarious. Honestly, I wouldn't feel like they're Dragon Quest games without the wordplay in location names, the heavy accents (especially the shit 4 and 6 pulled) and the fact my villages have been burned down several times over the series
Its a pretty 50/50 split on liking or hating them. I personally think its a bad decision because half the people who play the game have a good chance to be turned off by dialects.
Basically, in the short run, it generated some fans. Mostly for Yangus in Dragon Quest VIII. But in the long run, it will turn off more people and limit how popular the series can become. And even many people who liked Yangus in Dragon Quest VIII for his accent hated Bianca in Dragon Quest V with the exact same accent. Because accents don't work well in written form, unless you're Charles Dickens and write them flawlessly.
Then don't buy it. But you aren't gonna stop me from getting it. Especially since supporting the game might lead to an HD remake later on.
Some shitty QOL and useless post game content you'd never do isn't reason for a terrible port that looks absolute garbage, especially when they could have made it N3DS exclusive to at least make it somewhat nicer.
>No bad graphics are good you aren't allowed to like good graphics because it's Nintendo! i k-know i'll pretend liking good graphics is a b-bad thing that s-should be c-condemned!?
2D works on lower resolutions, 3D doesn't. It looks like complete garbage and you'd be lying if you didn't think that it looked great on PS2. Even the fucking road textures are gone and for some reason houses are brown as shit.
Good job on not getting it right, anon.
>need to be a graphicswhore to not support this
It's pretty good. Bianca was pretty fun to play as, shame about Psaro being unlocked so late you barely get to enjoy him, though.
It's pretty easy save for few fights and some enemies are just awful (all the fucking monkeys and their trillion CCs and instakills)
They're not going to remake the entire game engine into 2D for a port. If they did, they would have done it on consoles (or used the engine for Dragon Quest X).
Also, DQVIII is one of the best looking PS2 games without question. But it still was only 512i with no widescreen or AA. The only way it looks 'good' now is if you play it on an emulator at 3x AA.
If you don't like the downscaled graphics, then don't buy the game. But bitching about it online won't reach Yuji Horii's ears. And not buying it on 3DS doesn't get us closer to a true HD Remake.
>still using this horribly inaccurate image
Both versions look bad. The 3DS for being downscaled and the PS2 version for being stretched. As if someone took an image from the mobile version and called it 'PS2 version'.
Ever played a musou game? Its slightly different but overall it still plays like one. I'm excited about Heroes 2 since I can see a few things they could change to make it even more enjoyable. Just pissed Terry is in it when we never got the Monsters remake.
If a big part of the game gets downgraded I'm saying it's not definitive version then. Seriously, the games are graphical marvels but this is just downright shit looking.
I don't want a HD remake at all. No need to transition to 2D either, why not just release on Vita?
I remember some anon playing the nip version said that the road is their when you actually walk through that part of town, but the road is missing during the cutscene for some reason.
I'm glad to hear Bianca's fun. The characters I'm most looking forward to playing as are Bianca, Nera and Doric but I'd definitely try them all to see.
Yeah, but not in quite some time. Part of why I'm so interested in Heroes, I think but having characters like Bianca and Nera back is another reason
I didn't say it was unplayable. Just said it was a shit port that looks like ass and no QOL/useless end game content is going to make me buy it.
Stop using this shit AA/stretched/emulated/etc. argument. Road textures didn't magically appear and it didn't have the piss yellow color like the 3DS version.
The graphics are not a big part of the game.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that graphics are more important than gameplay, sound, story, anything else? It's basically the least important aspect of the game.
>the games are graphical marvels
You mean throughout the series? Because only VIII, and maybe the first ones(I don't really know how to compare those) were good-looking for their time.
Nera is a snoozefest to play, sorry to tell. I dumped Doric early in the game so can't say much about him.
Magic in general in the game is pretty underwhelming.
Isla is complete garbage tier character too, I hope they'll rework her if she is in DQH2.
I know. Right now it seem Nintendo is publishing them again like with DQ6 and 9. So the best thing to do is email NoA and SE about it and hopefully enough people buy 7 and 8 to get them to agree to give us DQM 1 and 2 remake.
Everyone arguing about graphics and realize this game would have been so much better on a N3DS. Imaging how terrible Xenoblade on O3DS would have looked if they removed a bunch of stuff to get it to work on there. It's literally the same thing here.
Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII? Like seriously? Have you even played the damn game?
Hell, even with XI and DQH the graphics are a big thing.
Like the other guy said, shitty Quality of Life changes and a bit of extra content isn't worth such a huge downgrade.
Especially when the gameplay is nothing but QoL changes between games. Also, sound more important than graphics in something like VIII? Hah.
I'm not gonna buy a new system for one port.
If anything they shouldve ported it to the next Nintendo handheld.
But I heard that SE were lazy about it anyways. People say the textures and shit in the DQ7 remake look better.
>Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII?
Do people think that DQ8 is visually impressive or something?
>all these pirates that try to justify behaving like a nigger is okay
You people are fags and should just keep quiet
especially the people who say I buy the game if its "good"
Like really fuck off with that, most of you are liars who say that.
If anything you feel your conscious guilting you into buying it
Your nothing but fags who try to make themselves feel better for behaving like a nigger
I actually got curious enough to see if he was making it up, and it turns out that's not the case.
At 7:37 you can see the part of town you walk through in that cutscene, meaning they removed the road during it for some odd reason.
Dragon Quest games has always been on the best selling system. The best Vita can get is a fun spinoff game. Personally the game looks fine but I tend to be ok with how the 3DS looks.
For a PS2 game, and a cel shaded game, it broke many boundaries. It really deserves a full HD remake. Much like Vanillaware games deserve to be in full 1080p, not stuck at 480i on PS2 and Wii.
Aside from that though, completely ignoring a good game because of a graphical downgrade is also dumb. If someone is that obsessed with graphics, they should wait for FFVII and XV on PC.
>would've been good thing to you?
Stop making an ass of yourself, it's honestly embarrassing. I've never once said I preferred worse graphics, just that they're the lowest of priorities when it comes to JRPGs.
Id probably get VII.
But if i wanted to play VIII again id emulate the ps2 version.
And yet for some reason the graphics in DQVIII is by far an emphasised aspect of the game. The only time graphics are to look bad in JRPGs is when it's developed on budget tier.
Or do you think FFXV looks like shit too with no importance put behind graphics at all?
>240p 3D looks disgusting
Worked fine in DQM Joker and Luigi's Mansion.
This game is a downgraded port of a PS2 game. Its not comparable since it wasn't made on an engine with 3DS in mind. This can be seen with Dragon Quest VII looking better than Dragon Quest VIII. The system isn't the problem. The game engine is.
Even weirder yet, that cutscene in the original is just a prerecorded video. It's not done in engine. Meaning that instead of just using the original video, they either made a new one that looks worse, or redid it in-engine with different assets.
>And yet for some reason the graphics in DQVIII is by far an emphasised aspect of the game
It's almost like the developers and I have different priorities when it comes to video games. I just don't care if the game "looks" good or not, as long as it IS good.
>Or do you think FFXV looks like shit too with no importance put behind graphics at all?
I wouldn't know because I don't pay attention to Final Fantasy.
Thats some top tier retard logic and reading comprehension you got there.
Pretty sure exploration and story was the emphasized aspects of Dragon Quest VIII. Its actually a good example of how new gameplay mechanics can be done because of advancements in graphics. Not the other way around.
Graphics and cinematics have always been the focus in Final Fantasy. I agree they would be better games if they focused more on gameplay. But then it would be more like Dragon Quest. And Final Fantasy has tried to be the antithesis to Dragon Quest since the first game.
Honestly I think it's the new CEO that is actually doing this. Once the last one left it's clear that the Japanese side is trying to unfuck itself. I mean just look at their last E3 where they showed tons of great JRPG in the making. So I feel this is them trying to fix people's opinion of SE. Maybe the sales of Bravely Default did have a nice impact on them too.
Riddle me this, if they didn't spend money on graphics, how would it magically start making the gameplay better then?
First you talk about how graphics are least important in JRPGs, now you're going to how it changes between developers. Stick to something, will you?
this Chinese cartoon picture site is one the few places you can dicuss piracy
if you didn't feel any guilt you wouldn't buy any game you pirated or share what you do when it comes to piracy if your one of those people who only buy a game if its "good"
you would just keep quiet about it if you didn't give a fuck
You said when it released which means when the game released, as in, originally came it out. You didn't say released in USA/EU, just released. Stop trying to save face so badly.
The problem with FF right now is that the visuals are getting in its way.
FF7 is a good example. The game was big budget for its time, but it still had the scale of a standard JRPG. It was just more expensive.
Now with FF7HD they need to cut the game into chunks because remaking every single area with modern graphics would take much more time and money.
Who knows if they'll even keep all the old areas from the PS1 game.
>You said when it released which means when the game released
I think I know what I mean better than you do.
Your interpretation is off.
If thats all you're hung up on then this is the last response you're getting.
You literally stated
>The 360 was out when it released.
So your fucking desperate "but I meant NA/EU hahaha :DDD" is fucking stupid when it released one year before 360 did. Even then for a PS2 game it looked fantastic.
>Riddle me this, if they didn't spend money on graphics, how would it magically start making the gameplay better then?
More money to spend on actual content.
Costs for development go up really high when you increase the graphics.
All the assets need to be created with more detail and everything.
Its why games either become hallways or shitty empty open worlds.
>The problem with FF right now is that the visuals are getting in its way.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH YOU FUCKING MORON THAT'S WHY FF PORTS ON PC LIKE 3 AND 5 ARE GETTING SHIT REVIEWS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY PUT SOOOO MUCH EFFORT IN GRAPHICS AHAHAHAH
Graphics and story still 'got in the way' during FFVII. It was worse in FFIX and after. But all the things people complain about current day FF games doing, FFVII also did it. Except ARPG combat.
FFVII also had just as 'linear' areas. Instead of hallways with 1-2 paths, you had pre rendered backdrops with only 1-2 paths. Its the same mechanic, just done in a different visual style.
Honestly, FF is one series where linear zones and hallways could improve the game. Since the focus is so obviously on story and cinematics, might as well make hallways with tons of preset story events. Trouble is, they still can't even do that correctly.
>Its why games either become hallways or shitty empty open worlds.
It's not like it's any different for DQ senpai.
You can have tons of content even if it's "hallways or empty open world" and very tiny amount of content even if it's not hallways.
>Saying that FF7 is anything like something like FF13 is absolute nonsense.
They're both linear and story focused. The only real difference is FFVII has no voice acting and an overworld. Something the remake will soon take care of.
Goddamn it, how the hell did I miss this thread every time I refreshed the catalogue? Dragon Quest threads are the main reason I even come to /v/ anymore. I haven't been a fan for more than 11 months, so I like talking about these games when I can.
And DQVIII had a severe lack of content.
DQIX, while not home console release, still featured a big empty overworld and while it had maps the element was as really unrefined as getting good maps was behind so much RNG.
No it fucking isn't you retard
DQ11 is using the same exact tech to be made as both FF7R and KH3 are using, the devs have access to the same tools and they are using the same engine for all three games.
Content wise DQ11 on PS4 is going to be the same as the 3DS version while only having the same visual fidelity as something like KH3
>learn it, isn the jap in games simplier?
What do you mean? Japanese in games period? Depends on the game, I'm sure there are some out there that are really difficult. The most difficult I've come across in Fatal Frame III, and that's mostly because I wasn't used to seeing Japanese that old (they use a lot of old Japanese in a lot of the books and documents. They even went out of their way to re-write a document from Fatal Frame II that appeared in the game, in older style Japanese) and those documents that are supposed to be really old and metaphorical were really confusing at times. Though in a year I probably won't think it's that bad.
The language in Dragon Quest games is really damn simple most of the game.
>and they are using the same engine for all three games.
They may be using similar dev tools, but you are an idiot if you think they're all on the same engine. They've already announced FFVII and KH3 are using different engines. And haven't announced what DQXI is using.
- Can speed up battles
- Two new dungeons (one is short and just an excuse to get one more Mercello scene in the game, the other is a bunch of copy/pasted boss fights with buffed up stats)
- On screen enemies
- Automatically have maps of all dungeons except the Eternal Dragon's.
- New equipment
- Morrie and Gelda (Red) are playable now and are pretty damn cool (especially Gelda)
- Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
- Worse graphics
- Voice acting (though the English version had that)
- Orchestral soundtrack (Which the English version had)
- More costumes for Jessica (some old ones censored, though the bunny suit it even more revealing). Everyone else has at least one costume, some have 2-3.
- More prizes from the Medal Princess
- New photo quest
- Can see how much exp you need to level up from the menu
- New rank in the Monster Battle Road
- New ending(s) with Jessica
- Can save anywhere
- Can distribute skill points as you please
>tfw you're a true fan and know runes so you can import
Sadly, this is a saign that Dragon Quest is growing in popularity. Its reached the point now where people know it exists. And therefore, they actively troll the fans. A year ago, only a handful of people would talk about DQ. Now its all about console wars and Final Fantasy defending.
Can't wait until DQVII actually comes out and we can have a decent thread about the actual game. Dragon Quest IX had the best threads on /v/ back when it was out.
We dont know how DQXI is being developed and chances are it will have a smaller overall budget than something like FF15 anyways.
They will definitely be able to cut some corners with the cartoon visuals, at least when it comes to character and monster models. Environments look rather detailed (if they actually make it into the finished game).
You just see them wandering the fields like anything else. They have an icon above them to differentiate them from the rest, and if you're using Toherosu (not sure what the English name is, it cuts down on random encounters), they'll still show up.
>I pirate games that have outrageous prices like Valkyrie profile and DQ7.
Aren't those only like $20?
I got DQ7 PS1 in 2013 for like $16 on ebay and VP a few years before that for $5.
Have the prices inflated?
>Downgraded to 9.2 first try
>basically can pirate any 3DS game I want now regardless of region
>Still gonna buy DQ7 anyway
All I wanted was a region free 3DS that was all. Besides even if I pirate it's only going to be Japanese games anyway.
These Japanese classes are about to pay off.
I've not played the English versions, but I've seen a bit of them. I'm generally fine with accents in entertainment, I rarely ever even think about them. However, they seem to be poorly handled in DQ games and when I was watching a video of the second chapter of DQ IV DS I thought I accidentally found a video of a really bad machine translation at first. They seemed fine in VIII though, at least, from what little I've seen.
>- Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
It's called "Twin Dragon Lash" on the PS2. And yes it was powerful as fuck because the Gringham whip was OP as fuck and everyone savescummed the shit out of the casino.
>Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII? Like seriously? Have you even played the damn game?
Not him. I haven't played the PS2 version, but I quite enjoyed the 3DS version. Would kind of like to play the PS2 version someday because it does look really nice, but I'd miss so many of the nice things from the 3DS version.
I'm just glad I never started the series until I could read Japanese. I had no idea what the state of Dragon Quest in the west was like until I was playing Dragon Quest IV or something and saw people bitching about lack of localizations.
Then I guess I got lucky getting these when I did.
You can find copies of the game (or any game) cheap on ebay when someone doesn't know what it costs. But most people do their homework and sell it for $60+
They were also selling Dragon Quest V for $100 at one time. I sold a copy for $80 myself (and the strategy guide cost even more). Took SquareEnix 4 years to print more copies and normalize the price. And even then, 'normal' just means 'what it cost at launch'.
Outside of DQ4 it's alright. DQ4 is one of the most poorly handled localization handled by a big company. I really wish we can get a whole new localization because of how horrible it is (maybe fan translation of the PSX version).
Outside that they are meh. I don't hate them but wish they just used basic English. Using certain terms that normal readers never heard of is a bit annoying too.
If the PS2 version was my favorite game, I almost fear how much I will like the 3DS game with tons of new content.
I also anticipate liking Dragon Quest VII a lot more than the PS1 version. From all the new features I've read. And as much as some people dislike the class change, I kind of welcome it. Both DQVI and VII had the same problem. Your base level could outpace your job levels and you were fucked. Single classes may not be everyones cup of tea, but it sounds better than the old system to me.
>Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
Actually kind of happy about that. It really was way too broken and now gives me a reason to go into her other skills like Staves.
At the time, I was seeing multiple copies of VII going for around $20-$30. That's why I was surprised the price had increased that much since then.
I'll admit I've never really payed attention to VP's price, and the rental place probably only sold it that cheap because it was a PS1 game.
I'm playing DQVI over right now and while most of the dialects are toned down, they are still too noticable and pronounced. Most monsters still have some obnoxious dialect. And it was painful to read all the mermaid rhyming text...
I hope future DQ games just tone down the accents to a very minimal thing. BUt if DQHeroes is any indication...they're gonna be back to DQIV levels.
I found the guide at a used game store for $10. And because I got the guide, I decided to get the game. Looked online and the cheapest seller was selling the guide and game for $40. The next cheapest seller was $60 for just the game. So I had to buy the guide twice...
>Killing the only thing Nintendo isn't a complete failure at with Piracy
At least kill it with an Emulator release.
What do you mean? And I'm not sure if DQ VII 3DS has that issue or not. I remember reading that people didn't like that if your base level got too high that you'd stop gaining job points in VI. I never really paid attention to that when I played the game, so I didn't notice it. As for DQ VII 3DS, I never noticed anything like that. I had 3-4+ jobs mastered for most characters by the end of the game and I never really grinded.
Also, on a side note, the strategy guide for Dragon Warrior VII is the worst guide I ever used. It actually made finding shards harder by giving cryptic, vague clues. One even said 'it is in a land with lots of sand'. So I spent an hour looking all over the Sphinx....only to find it was in a whole other place! Fuck that guide so hard.
Compare to 4 DQ6 wasn't that bad. Noticeable? Yeah but I can read it and some things I actually enjoyed it. Heroes was fine to me. The Slime with the goo puns was a bit much but it wasn't enough to make me mad unlike DQ4.
Meaning you have to switch to the class you want to play as. Unlike in the original game where after mastering a class, you can switch to another and retain all its skills.
To use Sage spells, you need to actually be a sage.
Staves was actually a pretty good tree with Jessica. Accelleratle and Kasap were basically gimmies, and Caduceus would let her do some great pinch healing, but the real power of the tree was that it gave Jessica a fuckton of extra mana (+100 I think) PLUS mana regen every turn... which basically meant you no longer gave two shits about mana conservation with her and could drop kabooms on fucking drakees if you felt like it. Kazing at the end of the tree wasn't so great (Jess was usually dead long before everyone else was) but hey.
The real problem IMO was the Gringham whip was too fucking strong. Before you get that, Twin Dragon Lash was actually pretty balanced, as Jessica was roughly half the attack power of Hero and Yangus. TDL let her keep up, it's Gringham that puts her over the top.
I actually bought that one recently.
Found the english version in a german online store for very cheap.
I remembered it being great and its still great.
Its worth it for the artwork alone.
It has been, what, three years since the DQ VII remake released? It took three years and an infinity of whining from manchildren for NOA/SE to realize there was a market for DQ in the west.
Stop begging for scraps man, get some self-respected and learn 日本語. This faggotry has nothing to do with piracy.
The punchline is that DQVII already has an english translated script since the PS1 era, whichi shares quite a bit of the script with the remake.
I agree with you. Gringham Whip was gamebreaking. So there was no need to give Jessica anything else. I wanted to use Staves but because of how much damage she did with Twin Dragon Lash with a few charges and she did more than anyone else.
Nintendo wanted to release the game three years ago. And not Nintendo of America, but Nintendo of Japan. It went all the way up to Iwata, who said directly to Yuji Horii he looked forward to localizing all DQ games to the west (specifically DQX). It was guys at SE who kept blocking it.
Also, you're naive if you think they'd just use the same script as the PS1 game. I don't want a new translation to be full of accents, but the old PS1 game also had a bad translation.
>but the old PS1 game also had a bad translation.
How so? I've only played the 3DS version and watched a small amount of videos on the PSX version and, dry though it was, it seemed more faithful than most DQ localizations I'd seen (though that Patrick kid spoke really oddly in the English version). I did see a scene when Sharkeye pretended he was going to use some guy as a slave. That certainly wasn't in the 3DS version and I even looked up the Japanese PSX version of the scene and it wasn't in there either. I kind of get the impression that as the game went on, they started taking more and more liberties.
A lot of text issues (text overlapping out of windows or broken sentences). Also, some parts of the translation weren't just dry, but lacked context. Which became a big problem when some NPC gave you a hint of where a shard was...but the translation was so horrible you couldn't figure it out. The NPC would say something like 'I have a vision of a pot in a land you know well'. And...that's it. So great....all I gotta do is check every pot in the 10 areas I've visited...in both time periods. Thanks NPC!
No, it's extremely unlikely that they would reuse a script, what I mean by that is that the game was already translated decently enough and they have a script to use for reference. It's not like they are working from scratch with zero reference, which would make the three years of wait more reasonable.
I honestly don't really blame the localizers on this one. It was more rushed than just being bad. Also not only did they do DQ7 but also DQ1+2 and 3 GBC and Torneko Mystery Dungeon. All in about a year of each other. Enix was reallly serious of getting us Dragon Quest again but they really over did it with DQ7. The localization for the most part is sound just some iffy things here and there. It's still miles ahead of Dragon Quest 4 DS.
I mean all in about one year total. All of that came out in 2000-2001. And DQ7 isn't what you call a small text game. The only real issue was the text spacing was completely fucked
>that fucking ugly downgraded 8 port
Such a great game doesn't deserve such poor treatment. The only extra worthwhile content is two more playable characters and a few extra story scenes. The "extra" dungeon is filled with recycled story bosses.
There's two extra dungeons, but the other isn't that interesting either. Still, wonder why people are so angry over it. I've seen very few Japanese fans complain. I guess there's less graphicsfags in Japan?
Don't be a child now.
DQ gets tons of money for its budget and even if DQVIII 3DS got more money it wouldn't make a difference because of the hardware being shit.
>DQ is more popular
Only in Japan, in West FF and KH are far more popular.
Also, Enix wasn't that great either when they couldn't get any releases in Europe.
Sure they don't senpai.
Playing through on mobile now and I'll tell you that it's mostly fine and I don't mind the tongue and cheek wordplay as there's not much else these games can do to appeal to the west these days besides the text as every game since has used them as their foundations and all that.
What gets my fucking goat is playing through DQ2 and looking up guides that are only written for the literal translations/fan translations and not the recent localisations and finding out shit like the Prince of Midenhall's kingdom is called Lorasia in JP and how significant that is because the Dragon Warrior from DQ 1 marries Lady Lora and names a fucking kingdom after her.
But US players will never get that reference. You know what Lora (Gwaelin in US) gets in the our translation? A gate to a tunnel named Gwaelin's Gate. What the fuck.
And for what? To preserve old names from Dragon Warrior on NES? Nigger what in the actual fuck.
>What gets my fucking goat is playing through DQ2 and looking up guides that are only written for the literal translations/fan translations and not the recent localisations and finding out shit like the Prince of Midenhall's kingdom is called Lorasia in JP and how significant that is because the Dragon Warrior from DQ 1 marries Lady Lora and names a fucking kingdom after her.
I know exactly how you feel, except I played the games in Japanese and got annoyed when I looked up things only to find that everything is renamed in the English games. It got to the point where I just Googled in Japanese anytime I needed something.
Hey fucker, you know what? I'll just repeat what you told people when they were upset about censorship:
>just learn the language
Isn't life ironic? Life's only a bitch if you are one.
Now fuck off.
>believing consoles will die
>believing PC will take over
It will never ever happen
I play both consoles and PC and there is a reason why consoles are way more popular. They appeal to a more casual audience which unfortunately is the bulk of the gaming community (ie kids and CoD fags).
The PC as a gaming platform will die before any console does. And when I say "die" I refer to the fact that PC exclusives will die, we all know that it can't actually be irradiated due to the fact that a PC has many more uses other than gaming and will always be used for mediocre ports and emulation.