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>tfw the west will never get more Dragon Quest after 7 and 8 flop due to piracy being widespread now
It hurts /v/. Why must pirates ruin everything?
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Piracy doesn't impact sales m8
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They seem to be going all out with XI so I think they'll try to push it in the west.
I hope.
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>>322841563
Are you retarded
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>>322841452
I want to play DQ11 in ps4 anyway since getting bored with classic style map.
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>>322841975
are you? pirates will buy the game if it's good, /v/ told me so
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>>322842041
When these flop the PS4 version won't be localized.
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>>322841975
No, but you are for believing the Industry scapegoat. One reason I'm glad Vita was never fully hacked is that we don't have retards like yourself blaming its failure on piracy.
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>>322842164
>when these 3ds games flop a PS4 game won't be localised
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>>322841975
The people that are smart enough to know how to pirate are also smart enough to realize if we don't buy it, the series is kill. If they pirate in spite of that knowledge, they're not a fan and wouldn't have bought it anyway
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>>322842282
>scapegoat
>games literally flopped on the DS because of ease of piracy
Off yourself you disgusting thief
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>>322842282
>Implying the reason it din't fail was not its weak as hell library
Try to apply that logic to the 3DS now anon, pirate are so stupid god
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>>322842609
He may be a retard, but you're a petty console warrior.
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>>322841452
>>tfw the west will never get more Dragon Quest after 7 and 8
No you can blame that on Square Enix not just piracy. You weren't getting more games anyways why delude yourself. Do you need Square Enix to fuck you in the ass some more for you to realize that?
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>>322843748
You pirates disgust me
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>>322841452
>he seriously thinks the vocal minority on /v/ that pirates shit represents the entire industry when in reality most 3ds owners don't even know it's possible
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This is what happens when i allow myself to be happy about something. You couldn't have waited to blow open the 3ds until after DQ7/8 were out!?
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>>322844116
Are golems good in the DQM games? They're my favourite monsters.
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>>322841452
A very small percentage of people have a cracked 3DS
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>>322842391
u stupid?
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>>322844786
doesn't help that the process is not as easy or straight foward as psp.
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>>322844786
>source: my ass
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>>322845059
more like
>source: common fucking sense
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>Bring over Dragon Quest Hero and that is not a Dragon Quest game
>Bring over HD version of game we already got that isn't censored
>Why aren't you buying are games ?
Maybe they could've you know brought over one of the game we have never had before. They just do this stuff because they know they won't sell and they have a reason not to bring over the new ones.
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>>322845468
But DQVII remake and VII port were the most wanted DQ games in the west.
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>>322841563
Actual dedicated pirates who won't even buy a system until it's cracked are harmless, but sadly the world is full of half-assed pirates, the sort of people who pirate PC games while buying PS4 games. They're the ones paying companies to invest in copy-protection over game content.
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Does buying only when there is a sale help developers stay afloat?
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>>322848271
In DQ's case, it's proving to Square-Enix that the west is still interested in Dragon Quest. If DQ7 and 8 bomb because everyone pirated them, all Square will think is that those baka gaijins don't like Dragon Quest after all and we will never get another one.
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>>322848271
You niggers are so dumb.
Let me break it down real easy like.

When a store gets a game, the company is already paid for the game. It is now the store's job to sell that game.
Stores don't buy the games from the company at MSRP. They buy it for less.
Example. GAME costs $40.
STORE buys GAME from COMPANY for $30.
STORE then makes PROFIT from selling GAME, but not much PROFIT.
This is why some stores would rather you buy the game USED. When it's USED, they keep ALL the PROFIT for themselves.
So when GAME is on SALE and it's NEW, STORE makes less or no PROFIT, because THEY (usually) had to mark down the game themselves.

Buying used is BAD for COMPANY because THEY don't make PROFIT for GAME. This is why shit stores like FUCKING GAMESTOP would rather you buy USED.

Anything else?
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>>322841452
Piracy will have nothing to do with it, S-E have already given up on Dragon Quest. That's why all they're releasing are remakes, not real games. Quick easy cashgrabs before the brand is retired in the west.

DQ10 never ever. DQ: Never Ever the franchise.
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>>322841452
The west doesn't care about some random attack heal weeb rpg.
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>>322843954
a lot of people know this method of piracy even people who were legit are now pirating games so maybe it can affect sales
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>>322841563

You were going to buy it before this exploit, don't even lie.
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Fuck SE and DQ.

They're holding the series hostage all over again. Fuck this bullshit they can shove DQ up their Japanese asses forever for all I care.
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Speaking of piracy, which harvest moon is the best one on 3DS?
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>>322841452
maybe if they didn't keep censoring shit then I'd be up for buying it, blame Nintendo on this one as usual.
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I'm glad it happened. Nintendo deserves it for not having region free hardware.

As for Square, they'll never be happy with DQ sales here no matter how well they do.
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>>322852464
Story of Seasons/Rune Factory 4
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>>322844443
Joker I had the base Golem at an A rank. From there on, I think it's a D rank monster. You can still make any monster viable with the right synchronization and skills trees. I fucking loved Joker and its sequel. Even worse, the current Monsters game has 800+ monsters, some being four-size. And I thought three-sizers were massive.
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>>322841452
Dude, we are getting DQVII, DQVIII and DQXI for the PS4, all confirmed.


How much of a fucking faggot do you have to be to still be a pessimistic baby?

Be honest, you just loved spamming that never ever can't have it pic did you?
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>>322850696
They are bringing 7 and 8 over, how they fuck is that holding it hostage?
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>>322841452
anyone who actually cared about piracy was doing it before the newest exploit. the barrier to entry wasn't exactly very high.
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>>322853124
>and DQXI for the PS4
>just the PS4 version
Can you please explain this
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>>322853494
SE already said if those games don't sell well enough they're not bringing more DQ over blah blah etc.

Long story short, fuck SE.
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>>322853604
There's a 3DS version of the game in the making.
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>>322853494
DQ fans on /v/ are literal cuckolds.

And when they aren't getting cuckolded, they cry about it and pretend the cucking is still going on.

What's that? we get 6 dragon quest games in 2 years (DQH, DQH2, DQB, DQVII, DQVIII & DQXI) and yet most people in this thread are still pretending that Square isn't supporting the series on the west.

6 games, six, the west is LITERALLY getting 6 Dragon Quest games in 2 years.
You should all commit suicide.
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>>322853765
Obviously, which is why I was confused. You only specified the PS4 version, implying the 3DS version wasn't coming west for some reason.
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>>322853604
I really hope you aren't getting the 3DS version anon, DQXI on the 3DS looks like every other DQ game on the DS.

DQ never gets games with high production values, don't waste it.
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>>322853671
No they didn't you fucking idiot

They said they would bring over more DQ if DQH does well

Then DQH did OK and they still bringing over DQ7 and DQ8 for 3DS

Fuck you dickhead get your fucking facts right, they aren't holding anything hostage
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>>322841452
with the region lock destroyed, what is the need to localize shit?
>but japanese
learn it, isn the jap in games simplier?
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You know, if they did a HD version of DQ8 with all the 3DS stuff on Steam/PS4, I would pick it back up.

Fuck playing it on the 3DS. To be fair, I am planning on picking up the DQ7 remake.
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>>322841563
Right. If it was vita being cracked and piratable like psp era you'd say 'everyone wants to kill the vita'.
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>>322854356
Sorry for not wanting to learn a shitty dead leanguage just to play a game.


lol what a retard
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>>322853919
None of those are confirmed for localisation besides DQVII and VIII.
DQVII also came out in 2013, it didn't come out in the past two years.
Please get your facts straight you dumb piece of shit.
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>>322842282
Vita failed due to rampant psp piracy.

No dev wanted to put shit on a device that has a track record like that.
Thats why vita only got low budget kusoge, they get a profit at 10k software sales
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>>322854497
>kusoge
Stay out of actual discussion if you're just going to spout memes.
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>>322854497
>kusoge
how hard is for you to simply say shovelware
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>>322854471
DQXI is already comfirmed you fucking retard.
So is DQH2.

DQB isn't comfirmed but it's not text heavy it's literally minecraft with a few RPG elements, of course it's coming to the west.


Admit it faggot you just enjoy getting fucked in the ass and crying about it.
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>>322854673
Because shovelware and kusoge arent the same thing dipshit
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>>322854681
>DQXI is already comfirmed you fucking retard.
>So is DQH2.
Please cite actual sources, because I believe you're just speaking from your ass.
>DQB isn't comfirmed
So, not confirmed.
>Admit it faggot you just enjoy getting fucked in the ass and crying about it.
>muh cuck xD meme
You need to be 18+ to post here.
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>>322845468
To be fair this is the first time PAL countries will get DQVII without having to resort to piracy, if you live in a PAL country at least buy DQVII.
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>>322854906
Then just say "shitty game", you don't have to be a literal weeaboo about it. It doesn't make your shitposts any more valid.
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When are they making a cm for DQ7/8?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld5KrP-5kxQ
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>>322842282
>>322854497
On the side note there's statistics that show 80% of Dissidia players had a pirated copy.

Piracy fucks up consoles completely. Which is why I advocate piracy for consoles, it needs to die faster.
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>Waaah I want what I can't have and don't appreciate all this stuff I can get now for free.
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>>322854445
you can't kill an unborn
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>>322855264
Who are you quoting?
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>>322854931
Sorry faggot enjoy not being able to complain about DQ not coming to the west anymore ;)
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>>322855264
Who are you quoting?
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>>322855557
I'd actually like to be able to stop complaining, but thanks I guess.
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>>322854250
I'd love to play the PS4 version but I'm a poor college student and to me a PS4's not worth the investment right now just for DQXI and Persona 5
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>>322855692
There's nothing to complain about, cuck
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>>322841563

PSP mate.
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>>322855946
Are you an SE shill?
Why do people's complaints upset you so much to the point where you spout memes to hide your own insecurity?
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>>322841452
Well I'll buy them.

I just pirate the fully out of reach shit like MHX and some DLC.
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Isn't there supposed to be a new Dragon Quest Monsters game coming out sometime this year?
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>>322841452
Naw this is pretty dumb
I mean for fucks sake look at the size of the Americas and Europe compared to the spit of land that is Japan and they still won't localize even when out of millions of people several tens of thousand are probably going to buy the game?
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>>322857879
Joker 3, yes.
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>>322841452

There was 100x more piracy on the original DS and Dragon Quest games still sold 400,000-1.5 million units.

This series will do fine. If anything, four years of intense negative attention coupled with the most popular DQ games in the west being re-released will see higher sales than expected. We could easily see DQVII sell over 500k and DQVIII sell over 1 million. Even more if SquareEnix actually puts some fucking marketing behind them.
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>>322854681

>DQXI is already comfirmed you fucking retard.
No its not. Stop repeating this shit in every thread unless you have an actual source besides a Sony blogger spouting rumors.
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>>322841452
>FF Explorers will be the first victim, making its online unplayable with people one-shooting everything
>DQ VII Will sell less than 200k thanks to Pirate fags
>This will cause a delay on DQ VIII for chrysmas release for Nintendo to try to sell the game for maximum profit but it will be too late regardless
>We will never get MH X localized thanks to the massive software drop thanks to pirate fags

I am glad the 3DS only have 2 years max of life left, too bad piracy arrive when critical japanese games that would show we actually care are coming, DQ is forever curse to do horrible in the west
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>>322859461
>/v/ will defend this
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>>322842391
dumb response, pirates don't buy shit, they pirate it. pretty simple logic.
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>>322859461

>/v/ loves piracy and rails against anyone who speaks out against piracy
>except when commenting against piracy will support their argument
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i haven't been keeping up with 3ds priracy..how is it widespread?

unless you can go buy a 3ds right now and start pirating every game released i don' think it is widesrpead
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I'm generally for piracy and emulation, but optimally I'd like to see it happen after the generation is over.

When it happens after the gen is over it will play a vital part in catalogizing shit because servers definitely wont last forever.
But when it happens when a system is still going it can fuck with niche title sales a lot.
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>>322859815
All current 3DS that exist are hackable.
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>>322860215

But its not as simple or well known as back on the original DS.
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>>322859674
As a pirate I will happily buy games before the console is cracked. I haven't bought a game that wasn't used since the Brawl release, though. Blows my mind that people will pay full price for a game when they could get a used copy for $20 less.
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>>322842391
>people that want stuff for free will expend money for things they could get for free

I pirated on my PS2 back then, and let me tell you man, I never expended a cent on any games at all but FFX because for some reason the chip would not recognize the game. Even master pieces like FFXII, DQ VIII(how I fell in love with the series), and dark cloud 2 never saw a cent from me, do I feel like shit for doing that? yes, but I was not making decent money like now, would I have bough the games if here was no way to pirate then? at least half of the games I pirated and finished.
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>>322860325
Well its free compared to the DS, but with the DS it was pretty much plug and play after buying a flashcard.
Shit like Emunand and Sysnand might blow peoples minds.

I'd expect many stores to pop up that mod your 3DS, just like in modchip days back then.
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>>322853765
From what I can tell, it looks like the 3DS version is going to be completely different though.
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>>322859461
i seriously can't get over the fact that people actually believe anybody but /v/ cares about 3ds piracy
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>>322860671
I can't believe people like you think 3ds piracy isn't widespread
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>>322841452
>mfw the series will finally be laid to rest
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>>322860591

>do I feel like shit for doing that? yes

You can make it up by buying DQVII and VIII on 3DS. Your purchase of DQVIII back on the PS2 wouldn't have helped as SquareEnix went full retard back then. But a purchase of the game on 3DS could be vital for securing more DQ games in the future.
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>>322860671
3ds piracy is literally DS tier easy now.
Japanese localisations are fucking finished
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What's a good way to learn Japanese?
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Quick, post your favorite DQ Monster
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>>322860749
>implying it's widespread
thanks for the keks homie, stay delusional
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>>322861124
Practicing
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>>322861043
>>322860749

>3DS piracy is rampant because I know about it
No, it really isn't. Does it exist? Sure. But its nowhere near as common or well knows as the original DS.

>Japanese localisations are fucking finished
That must be why we already have all the Etrian's Odyssey, SMT, Nippon Ichi and etc games. Literally the only company shying away from localizations is SquareEnix. The company who's games sell the best in the west.
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>>322849050
Yes, how does this translate to digital sales?
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>>322860598
It'll have the same story, but I will definitely be getting both. I hope there are heavy gameplay differences.
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>>322853919
>DQXI

confirmation?
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>>322861193
I really wish there was an artbook out
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>>322861597
There's a reason why SMT IV Final hasn't been announced for localization yet.
Because it's not coming west now due to piracy.
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>>322862002

Ignore him. He spouts this same shit every thread, then deflects and throws a fit when someone proves him wrong.

Dragon Quest XI is not confirmed in any way.
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>>322862230

>There's a reason why SMT IV Final hasn't been announced for localization yet.
They already released SMTIV. And unlike Japan, not every game gets multiple versions in the west. Same issue as Dragon Quest Joker 2.

>Because it's not coming west now due to piracy.
Nice source.
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>>322862119
Same
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>>322862476
SMT IV Final is a sequel to SMT IV. Not a rerelease. And Atlus US would have announced a localization date by now if it was coming west.
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As long as you pirates buy the games, you'll get more games to pirate

It's win win. I don't see why more pirates don't buy shit.
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>>322859461
>mhx localization
We'll get MHX g/Ultimate instead in 2 years
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>>322862476
Here your source
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/42928/dragon-quest-monsters-joker-2/

>100k
I am sure that number din't push joker games from us
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3DS DQ8 is censored so who gives a fuck

just play the PS2 version
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>>322862917
No moni
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>>322863020
But... new characters
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>>322863004

Your evidence just proves that Dragon Quest games with no marketing sell less than other games. Has nothing to do with your claim that piracy is keeping Atlus from localizing a specific game.
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Piracy already killed Dragon Quest.
1.5 million copies sold in the west for DQ9 is the biggest failure in history.
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>>322863164

And about a dozen other additions. Just the added story for Medea and Marcello is enough reason for me to play the remake.

But I find it funny that this game is introducing on field enemies, which western fans obsess over. But no one seems to know or care. All we hear is endless whining about a couple costumes being different. One of which is even more risque than the original. Its also ironic since people claim the graphics are a downgrade. If the graphics look worse, then what does it matter how costumes look?
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why would i buy something i can get for free? so what if some games cease to exist. i will just play something elss. and if that happens to all games I would do something else like go out?! You fucking pathetic fucks pretending like the world revolves around vidya
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I knew about the new downgrade, but I didn't want to risk bricking my new N3DS.
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>>322863498

Wait. If the enemies are on the field, how are you supposed to find the arena monsters now?
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>>322863593
You act like people don't deserve to be paid for their work that you're stealing.
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>>322862230
>There's a reason why SMT IV Final hasn't been announced for localization yet.
>Because it's not coming west now due to piracy.
jesus christ you're fucking paranoid, piracy isn't even half of the issue you obviously think it is
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>>322863652

Don't know since I haven't played the game yet. But the Arena Monsters are there. As well as new ones only found in the 3DS game. They might just make them glow or have a unique aura or something.
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>>322858639
>There was 100x more piracy on the original DS and Dragon Quest games still sold 400,000-1.5 million units.
Yes, which caused SE to stop localizing DQ games, or even letting Nintendo do it for them.
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>>322863593
Why are you on /v/ if you don't like video games?
I think /soc/ is more your taste
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>>322863905
Piracy is a huge issue.
It's what caused the failure of many games on the DS. And now it's being repeated on the 3ds. Congrats scum.
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>>322863593

>why would i buy something i can get for free?
You wouldn't steal a car.
You wouldn't steal a dog.
You wouldn't steal a house.
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>>322861708
If the company has their own online store, then they effectively cut out the middleman, meaning that they do not, strictly speaking, have to sell it for less than the MSRP, especially since the costs of digital games are usually the same as the physical release - this is to avoid pissing off retailers into not stocking their games at all, thus hurting profits in the long run because retailers not stocking the games results in a large loss of overal market. This is especially true for consoles, for which the majority of purchases are physical. Digital releases are also not usually capable of being turned in to a used game store, which means that their game will not be later turned into a game that someone else buys that they don't actually profit from.

Costs like packaging and shipping are also cut out, but somewhat mitigated by keeping the store's servers running and updated.
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>>322863496
>1.5 million copies sold in the west for DQ9 is the biggest failure in history.
Only in SE's deluded fucking mind.
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>>322863740

Well why would i give a fuck about other people. it doesnt influence my life if they do or dont get paid. i get paid well enough and i work for government so im set and i couldnt give kess of a fuck about these entitled developers. or your opinion for that matter.
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>>322863961

>Yes, which caused SE to stop localizing DQ games
Except SquareEnix never said this.

its also easily proven wrong when you see that SquareEnix continued to release DS games that sold less than DQ games. They just had a specific bee in their bonnet about not releasing Dragon Quest games specifically. Which changes recently when SquareEnix shifted its management in 2013.
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>>322864038
i like video games a lot. its just that i dont pay for for them because i have sorry fucks like you to pay for them for me.
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>>322842075
>Believing pirates on /v/
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>>322864138

>claims devs are entitled
>thinks he has a right to the work people create
>I WORK FOR GOVERNMENT SO IM SET AND COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK NEVAH PARTING WITH MY SHEKELS

Sounds like you're the entitled one here, not the developers. I pirate too but jesus christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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DQX will probably never come over because it's an MMO and something something justifying international releases of an MMO. I fully expect DQXI to come over, though.

Maybe in the future SE will release DQX over here, but I imagine they'd need to try to cater to western players enough that they'd keep playing it
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where to pirate games, fame?
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LMAO at idealists thinking piracy doesn't affect sales. Realistically, I was going to buy that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but now I'm definitely just going to pirate it once my SD card ships.
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>>322854445
>If it was vita being cracked and piratable like psp era you'd say 'everyone wants to kill the vita'.

You can't kill what's already dead.
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>>322863593

>>>/soc/
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>>322864475
And yet the vita still gets new games announced for it almost every day and tons more localizations than the 3ds
But those don't count right?
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>>322864185
hahahaha what a rustled faggot. go pay for my video games you scum while i spend my not-so-hard earned money somewhere else
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>>322864426

you lie

pirates never buy

OR

pirates buy if games are good

THESE ARE THE ONLY OUTCOMES AND IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE
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>>322864302

mmmmmm free games
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>>322864426
No you weren't.
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>>322864523
Does it? Could've fooled me since nobody gives it any attention, and for good reason. Even Sony calls it a legacy platform.

If anything, piracy would help the Vita by alerting people that it still exists. Piracy is one of the only reasons the PSP managed to stay alive after the DS took off.
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>>322864564

>you scum

You need therapy.
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>>322864523
Stop replying to shitposters, it'll make your life easier.
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>>322864481
someone disagrees with my opinion, better leave my board.
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>>322864718
>If anything, piracy would help the Vita
You stealing games would not help the vita. I'm glad the vita isn't cracked because that means localizations will keep happening. While 3ds localizations are going to taper off really quickly now.
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>>322864728
I dunno about you, but it looks like obvious bait to me.
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>>322864728
thanks. i shall pay for it with my money that i didnt spend on video games because of faggots like you
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Piracy hurts niche games more than it does major AAA releases. The irony is, many people who pirate niche JRPGs will also run out and pay full price for the latest Assassins Creed, Halo or Pokemon game. So a niche game loses 50-100k sales from piracy, dropping it from 400k potential sales to 300k. While a much bigger game sells 10 million and has almost no piracy.

If you're gonna pirate, at least pirate huge big budget games that are going to sell millions. But support lesser selling series by actually purchasing them. But this is implying pirates are reasonable.
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>>322854356
>learn it

Shut up faggot.
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>>322864895

Doesn't shitposting and baiting ever get old?
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>>322864564

>I have no source
>HAHA YOU'RE MAD
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>>322864989
no
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>>322864824
>You stealing games would not help the vita.
Piracy is not theft, it's copying.

>I'm glad the vita isn't cracked because that means localizations will keep happening.
Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.

>While 3ds localizations are going to taper off really quickly now.
3DS is getting localized remakes of games that were released in Japan a couple years back, so localizations aren't slowing down.
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>>322864384
DQX is P2P so it has no chance of surviving in the west desu.

>>322863498
>remake.
Stop it you dumbfucks. DQVIII 3DS is an "enhanced" version with more content and that's it.
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>>322864786

Damn right.
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>>322865042
>Piracy is not theft
Yes it is.
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>>322865034

What a fulfilling existence. The shitposting life is the greatest life. So genuine. I remember when I was 14 and first found 4chan.
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>>322865042
>Dude I got this free copy of a game right here through illegal means, that means it's alright cause it's """"""""copied""""""""

Sad desu.

>Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.
Who gives a shit when they're happening?

>3DS is getting localized remakes of games that were released in Japan a couple years back, so localizations aren't slowing down.
Compare 3DS to NDS and notice how pitiful the platform is especially in the west. It barely gets anything.
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>>322865048
Nah, I acknowledge the pay model being a reason. That said, if they worked on it, it could survive. The issue is really the pay model + system it's on. Not even trying to do a console war thing, it's just that the playerbase in the west isn't one that could support P2P by itself.

Square's other MMO is P2P but it has the Final Fantasy name behind it, plus the sony platforms rather than the Nintendo playerbase. If it released in the west its playerbase would almost entirely be the PC playerbase and not the Wii/WiiU
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>>322865042
>3DS is getting localized remakes of games that were released in Japan a couple years back
Yes, finally SE has given me a reason to own a 3DS.
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>>322865048

>Stop it you dumbfucks.
Make me.

REEEEEEEMMMMMAAAAAKKKKKEEEEEEE
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>>322865042

>Piracy is not theft, it's copying.
So much bait, so little fish.

>Localizations of weeb games that sell poorly since most people aren't weebs.
There's a difference between unit sales and profit. The game is completely made and just sitting in Japan. Plus, Nintendo is willing to cover all the publishing and distribution. Even if a DQ game only sold 100k copies, it would still make a profit. And Dragon Quest games sell significantly more than that, even with zero marketing.

In other words, you're an idiot who is arguing about things he doesn't understand.
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I'll only pirate games that never would've come to the west in the first place or games that are gonna get a butchered localization like FE Fates.
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What is the general opinion of the heavy accents in the localizations of these games?
I like them.
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> There are nintendofags RIGHT NOW lurking pirate websites and reporting pirate MEGA links
Truly the most autistic fanbase on earth.
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>>322866107
British accents are disgusting.
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>>322855196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS6qmw-qli8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNj-iYfvNGk
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>>322864702
>i know you more than you know yourself
thank you random anon
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>>322865773

I only pirate games that

1) Aren't being localized.
2) Are released in such limited quantities that you cannot find a copy unless you buy it from a scalper for more than its worth.
3) The game is no longer being printed.

Dragon Quest games have suffered from all of these things. Which is why it is the one series I pre order without exception.
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>>322866156
It's good
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>>322866128

Cry more, pirate
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>>322866107
>>322866156
I find them hilarious. Honestly, I wouldn't feel like they're Dragon Quest games without the wordplay in location names, the heavy accents (especially the shit 4 and 6 pulled) and the fact my villages have been burned down several times over the series
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>>322866285
>supporting shit ports
I'd rather have no DQ than one that looks like complete ass
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>>322866296
How are you any different to them? Pirates pirate their games and don't have to pay, you nintoddlers cry and beg your mother to buy your games and don't have to pay.
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>>322866424
7 is a complete remake
8 is an enhanced port

8 for 3ds is the definitive edition.
Deal with it.
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You keep saying it's so easy to pirate on 3DS now, but what exactly does someone have to do to go from vanilla 3DS to "play romfiles from SD card" 3DS?
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>>322866107

Its a pretty 50/50 split on liking or hating them. I personally think its a bad decision because half the people who play the game have a good chance to be turned off by dialects.

Basically, in the short run, it generated some fans. Mostly for Yangus in Dragon Quest VIII. But in the long run, it will turn off more people and limit how popular the series can become. And even many people who liked Yangus in Dragon Quest VIII for his accent hated Bianca in Dragon Quest V with the exact same accent. Because accents don't work well in written form, unless you're Charles Dickens and write them flawlessly.
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>>322866485
>Looks like horse shit because of 240p with graphix downgraded to hell
>Definitive

No thanks. I'd rather choose slightly less content instead of something that kills your eyes.
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>>322866508
A 30 minute step by step guide that has 9/10 chance of succeeding without bricking.
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>>322866424

Then don't buy it. But you aren't gonna stop me from getting it. Especially since supporting the game might lead to an HD remake later on.
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>>322866567
So you're a graphicswhore that doesn't even actually like the series? Why are you even here?
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>>322866485
>definitive
Some shitty QOL and useless post game content you'd never do isn't reason for a terrible port that looks absolute garbage, especially when they could have made it N3DS exclusive to at least make it somewhat nicer.
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>>322866424
>>322866567
>>322866658
Underage samefag.
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>>322844116
God I love every Dragon Quest side game. Monsters, Rocket Slime, even Heroes was a fun fan service kind of musou game. Builders looks enjoyable for being a Minecraft clone.
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>>322866656
>No bad graphics are good you aren't allowed to like good graphics because it's Nintendo! i k-know i'll pretend liking good graphics is a b-bad thing that s-should be c-condemned!?
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>>322866656
2D works on lower resolutions, 3D doesn't. It looks like complete garbage and you'd be lying if you didn't think that it looked great on PS2. Even the fucking road textures are gone and for some reason houses are brown as shit.

>>322866723
Good job on not getting it right, anon.
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>>322866752
How fun is Heroes? I want to get it (and will later this month) but I haven't really spoken to anyone who has played it
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>>322866431

Anon, I'm baiting. lmao
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>>322866656
>need to be a graphicswhore to not support this
k
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>>322866808
It's pretty good. Bianca was pretty fun to play as, shame about Psaro being unlocked so late you barely get to enjoy him, though.

It's pretty easy save for few fights and some enemies are just awful (all the fucking monkeys and their trillion CCs and instakills)
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>>322866864
So am I
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>>322866753
>>322866781
>>322866876
No one's arguing that the graphics aren't ass, but saying it makes the game unplayable or not definitive is just retarded.
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>>322866910

We've reached the singularity
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>>322866781

They're not going to remake the entire game engine into 2D for a port. If they did, they would have done it on consoles (or used the engine for Dragon Quest X).

Also, DQVIII is one of the best looking PS2 games without question. But it still was only 512i with no widescreen or AA. The only way it looks 'good' now is if you play it on an emulator at 3x AA.

If you don't like the downscaled graphics, then don't buy the game. But bitching about it online won't reach Yuji Horii's ears. And not buying it on 3DS doesn't get us closer to a true HD Remake.
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>>322866876

>still using this horribly inaccurate image
Both versions look bad. The 3DS for being downscaled and the PS2 version for being stretched. As if someone took an image from the mobile version and called it 'PS2 version'.
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>>322866808
Ever played a musou game? Its slightly different but overall it still plays like one. I'm excited about Heroes 2 since I can see a few things they could change to make it even more enjoyable. Just pissed Terry is in it when we never got the Monsters remake.
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>>322866985
If a big part of the game gets downgraded I'm saying it's not definitive version then. Seriously, the games are graphical marvels but this is just downright shit looking.

>>322867027
I don't want a HD remake at all. No need to transition to 2D either, why not just release on Vita?
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>>322867151
>never got the Monsters remake.
I know it's SE, but it's possible, even if very unlikely.
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>>322866876
I remember some anon playing the nip version said that the road is their when you actually walk through that part of town, but the road is missing during the cutscene for some reason.
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>>322866904
I'm glad to hear Bianca's fun. The characters I'm most looking forward to playing as are Bianca, Nera and Doric but I'd definitely try them all to see.

>>322867151
Yeah, but not in quite some time. Part of why I'm so interested in Heroes, I think but having characters like Bianca and Nera back is another reason
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>>322867242
>why not just release on Vita?
because then the vita would have games, and we can't have that happening
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>>322866985
I didn't say it was unplayable. Just said it was a shit port that looks like ass and no QOL/useless end game content is going to make me buy it.
>>322867127
>>322867027
Stop using this shit AA/stretched/emulated/etc. argument. Road textures didn't magically appear and it didn't have the piss yellow color like the 3DS version.
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>>322867242
>No need to transition to 2D either, why not just release on Vita?
Because more Japanese own a 3DS. All the DQ remakes and Rocket Slime is on it. Only Builder is for Vita.
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>>322867242
The graphics are not a big part of the game.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that graphics are more important than gameplay, sound, story, anything else? It's basically the least important aspect of the game.
>the games are graphical marvels
You mean throughout the series? Because only VIII, and maybe the first ones(I don't really know how to compare those) were good-looking for their time.
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I thought 3ds piracy was relatively small compared to say, pc piracy. I thought the only thing that came close was the original PSP.
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>>322867316
Nera is a snoozefest to play, sorry to tell. I dumped Doric early in the game so can't say much about him.

Magic in general in the game is pretty underwhelming.

Isla is complete garbage tier character too, I hope they'll rework her if she is in DQH2.
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>>322867335
That's fine if you don't buy it, but it's still the definitive version.
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>>322867265
I know. Right now it seem Nintendo is publishing them again like with DQ6 and 9. So the best thing to do is email NoA and SE about it and hopefully enough people buy 7 and 8 to get them to agree to give us DQM 1 and 2 remake.
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Everyone arguing about graphics and realize this game would have been so much better on a N3DS. Imaging how terrible Xenoblade on O3DS would have looked if they removed a bunch of stuff to get it to work on there. It's literally the same thing here.
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>>322867401
Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII? Like seriously? Have you even played the damn game?

Hell, even with XI and DQH the graphics are a big thing.

Like the other guy said, shitty Quality of Life changes and a bit of extra content isn't worth such a huge downgrade.

Especially when the gameplay is nothing but QoL changes between games. Also, sound more important than graphics in something like VIII? Hah.
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>>322849069

>7 has a script big enough to fill a whole bookshelf

I know it's bait, but when it's so easily refuted...
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>>322867498
I'm not gonna buy a new system for one port.
If anything they shouldve ported it to the next Nintendo handheld.

But I heard that SE were lazy about it anyways. People say the textures and shit in the DQ7 remake look better.
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>>322867368
I know, but that alone would've made it look better.
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>>322867613
>Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII?
Do people think that DQ8 is visually impressive or something?
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>>322842164
Didn't stop the 7 & 8 localizations when Heroes flopped.
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>>322867335

>Stop using this shit AA/stretched/emulated/etc. argument.
After you stop using poor images for the PS2 game and faulty arguments.
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>>322867613
>Also, sound more important than graphics in something like VIII?
Yes, I was emphasising how unimportant the graphics were.
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>>322867714
On PS2? Yes it is.
Are you seriously saying that there were plenty and plenty better looking RPGs on PS2?
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>all these pirates that try to justify behaving like a nigger is okay
You people are fags and should just keep quiet
especially the people who say I buy the game if its "good"
Like really fuck off with that, most of you are liars who say that.
If anything you feel your conscious guilting you into buying it
Your nothing but fags who try to make themselves feel better for behaving like a nigger
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>>322867267
>>322866876
I actually got curious enough to see if he was making it up, and it turns out that's not the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn1cMH5ACas

At 7:37 you can see the part of town you walk through in that cutscene, meaning they removed the road during it for some odd reason.
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>>322867242

>why not just release on Vita?
Yeah. Smaller sales just to please a few graphic whores like you is such a great business decision.
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>>322867804
So if the vast overworld looked like blurry shit it would've been good thing to you? Everything looks brown as fuck and road has no textures? Please.
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>>322867620
He's right.
>>322867693
Dragon Quest games has always been on the best selling system. The best Vita can get is a fun spinoff game. Personally the game looks fine but I tend to be ok with how the 3DS looks.
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>>322867714
It was and you're a moron if you think otherwise. Every single reviewer that reviewed it back then always said "shit looks beautiful".
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>>322867714

For a PS2 game, and a cel shaded game, it broke many boundaries. It really deserves a full HD remake. Much like Vanillaware games deserve to be in full 1080p, not stuck at 480i on PS2 and Wii.

Aside from that though, completely ignoring a good game because of a graphical downgrade is also dumb. If someone is that obsessed with graphics, they should wait for FFVII and XV on PC.
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>>322867891
>would've been good thing to you?
Stop making an ass of yourself, it's honestly embarrassing. I've never once said I preferred worse graphics, just that they're the lowest of priorities when it comes to JRPGs.
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Id probably get VII.

But if i wanted to play VIII again id emulate the ps2 version.
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>>322867845
Where in the world did the first image come from? The roads and houses look alright.
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>>322867942
>reviewers
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>>322867848
>Game looks great originally
>Gets downgraded to shit because of 240p and fisher price toy system
>WOAH DON'T BE A GRAPHIXWHORE NOW!!!

240p 3D looks disgusting
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>>322868017

>But if i wanted to play VIII again id emulate the ps2 version.
Have fun switching to shitty software mode whenever there's any shadows or grey on the screen.
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>>322867825
The 360 was out when it released.

Game was nothing special.
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>>322868037
You mean the image on the left with no road in the original pic?

It's around 4:15 in that same video.

It's like the cutscenes use different assets or something.
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>>322868041
Here's your (You)
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>>322868043
Okay, can you stop crying about it now? It's still the definitive game.
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>>322867831
nice projection there
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>>322868005
And yet for some reason the graphics in DQVIII is by far an emphasised aspect of the game. The only time graphics are to look bad in JRPGs is when it's developed on budget tier.

Or do you think FFXV looks like shit too with no importance put behind graphics at all?
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>>322868126
>reviewers
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>>322868158
FF games would be much better if they didnt waste so much money on visuals.

Its why the FF7 remake will be so shit.
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>>322868109
>Dragon Quest VIII Nov 27 2004
>Xbox 360 Nov 22 2005
Bravo, anon.
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>>322868043

>240p 3D looks disgusting
Worked fine in DQM Joker and Luigi's Mansion.

This game is a downgraded port of a PS2 game. Its not comparable since it wasn't made on an engine with 3DS in mind. This can be seen with Dragon Quest VII looking better than Dragon Quest VIII. The system isn't the problem. The game engine is.
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>>322868037
>>322868118
Even weirder yet, that cutscene in the original is just a prerecorded video. It's not done in engine. Meaning that instead of just using the original video, they either made a new one that looks worse, or redid it in-engine with different assets.
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>>322868232
>Having good looking graphics makes the game bad
Stop.
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>>322867902

Yeah. I could see that maybe being argued if they'd only done the 8 remake like people expected, but this is a clear show of effort with that much text to deal with.
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>>322868158
>And yet for some reason the graphics in DQVIII is by far an emphasised aspect of the game
It's almost like the developers and I have different priorities when it comes to video games. I just don't care if the game "looks" good or not, as long as it IS good.
>Or do you think FFXV looks like shit too with no importance put behind graphics at all?
I wouldn't know because I don't pay attention to Final Fantasy.
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>>322868239
Didnt know we're japanese.
I mean, you might be, dunno.
Over here the game definitely came out after the 360 launhc.
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>>322867845
Why in the world is digital vibrance turned way the fuck up? It's like I'm looking at piss the entire time.
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>>322868297
Thats some top tier retard logic and reading comprehension you got there.
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>>322868389
Deus Ex cross marketing.
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>>322868158

Pretty sure exploration and story was the emphasized aspects of Dragon Quest VIII. Its actually a good example of how new gameplay mechanics can be done because of advancements in graphics. Not the other way around.

>>322868232

Graphics and cinematics have always been the focus in Final Fantasy. I agree they would be better games if they focused more on gameplay. But then it would be more like Dragon Quest. And Final Fantasy has tried to be the antithesis to Dragon Quest since the first game.
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>>322868347
What the fuck anon? What does being Japanese have to do with when the game was launched? The graphics didn't magically change between releases.
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>>322865124
>>Piracy is not theft
>Yes it is.
No it isn't.
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>>322868497
>The 360 was out when it released.
That was my statement.
When the game came out here the 360 was already out.
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>>322868516
Yes it is.
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>>322868309
Honestly I think it's the new CEO that is actually doing this. Once the last one left it's clear that the Japanese side is trying to unfuck itself. I mean just look at their last E3 where they showed tons of great JRPG in the making. So I feel this is them trying to fix people's opinion of SE. Maybe the sales of Bravely Default did have a nice impact on them too.
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>>322868516
Yes it is.

>>322868561
No it isn't.
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>>322868425
Riddle me this, if they didn't spend money on graphics, how would it magically start making the gameplay better then?

>>322868332
First you talk about how graphics are least important in JRPGs, now you're going to how it changes between developers. Stick to something, will you?
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>>322868143
>projection
nigger please
this Chinese cartoon picture site is one the few places you can dicuss piracy

if you didn't feel any guilt you wouldn't buy any game you pirated or share what you do when it comes to piracy if your one of those people who only buy a game if its "good"
you would just keep quiet about it if you didn't give a fuck
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>>322868551
You said when it released which means when the game released, as in, originally came it out. You didn't say released in USA/EU, just released. Stop trying to save face so badly.
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>>322868605
I said graphics in JRPGs are the least important to ME. Or maybe I implied otherwise, in which case I apologise.
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>>322868480
The problem with FF right now is that the visuals are getting in its way.
FF7 is a good example. The game was big budget for its time, but it still had the scale of a standard JRPG. It was just more expensive.

Now with FF7HD they need to cut the game into chunks because remaking every single area with modern graphics would take much more time and money.
Who knows if they'll even keep all the old areas from the PS1 game.
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>>322868697
you better apologize, you faggit
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>>322868673
>You said when it released which means when the game released
I think I know what I mean better than you do.
Your interpretation is off.

If thats all you're hung up on then this is the last response you're getting.
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>>322868780
You literally stated
>The 360 was out when it released.

So your fucking desperate "but I meant NA/EU hahaha :DDD" is fucking stupid when it released one year before 360 did. Even then for a PS2 game it looked fantastic.
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>>322868605
>Riddle me this, if they didn't spend money on graphics, how would it magically start making the gameplay better then?
More money to spend on actual content.
Costs for development go up really high when you increase the graphics.
All the assets need to be created with more detail and everything.

Its why games either become hallways or shitty empty open worlds.
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>The problem with FF right now is that the visuals are getting in its way.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH YOU FUCKING MORON THAT'S WHY FF PORTS ON PC LIKE 3 AND 5 ARE GETTING SHIT REVIEWS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY PUT SOOOO MUCH EFFORT IN GRAPHICS AHAHAHAH
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>>322868723

Graphics and story still 'got in the way' during FFVII. It was worse in FFIX and after. But all the things people complain about current day FF games doing, FFVII also did it. Except ARPG combat.

FFVII also had just as 'linear' areas. Instead of hallways with 1-2 paths, you had pre rendered backdrops with only 1-2 paths. Its the same mechanic, just done in a different visual style.

Honestly, FF is one series where linear zones and hallways could improve the game. Since the focus is so obviously on story and cinematics, might as well make hallways with tons of preset story events. Trouble is, they still can't even do that correctly.
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>>322868912
>Its why games either become hallways or shitty empty open worlds.
It's not like it's any different for DQ senpai.

You can have tons of content even if it's "hallways or empty open world" and very tiny amount of content even if it's not hallways.
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>>322868972
Structurally FF7 is the same like all the NES and SNES FF games.
Saying that FF7 is anything like something like FF13 is absolute nonsense.
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>>322868232
This is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read
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>>322869082
DQ hasnt seen a bigname console release since the PS2.

With DQXI we will see how that plays out on the PS4.
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Square Enix would invent piracy if it meant having an excuse to not translate and sell the game in the west.
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>>322868425
That's exactly what you fucking said, that having good graphics makes a game bad and then you cited FF7R will be bad because it will have good graphics.
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>>322868723
>The problem with FF right now is that the visuals are getting in its way.
The fuck? This makes literally no fucking sense.
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>>322869113

>Saying that FF7 is anything like something like FF13 is absolute nonsense.
They're both linear and story focused. The only real difference is FFVII has no voice acting and an overworld. Something the remake will soon take care of.
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Goddamn it, how the hell did I miss this thread every time I refreshed the catalogue? Dragon Quest threads are the main reason I even come to /v/ anymore. I haven't been a fan for more than 11 months, so I like talking about these games when I can.
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>>322868912
>More money to spend on actual content.
That isn't how game development works you pleb.
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>>322869202
And DQVIII had a severe lack of content.

DQIX, while not home console release, still featured a big empty overworld and while it had maps the element was as really unrefined as getting good maps was behind so much RNG.
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>>322869334
Thats such a simplified description of both games to make a connection between them that I dont even feel like arguing with you anymore.
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>>322869385
>That isn't how game development works you pleb.
Yes it does.
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>>322869479
No it fucking isn't you retard

DQ11 is using the same exact tech to be made as both FF7R and KH3 are using, the devs have access to the same tools and they are using the same engine for all three games.

Content wise DQ11 on PS4 is going to be the same as the 3DS version while only having the same visual fidelity as something like KH3
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I'm pleasantly surprised SE didn't do that shit they were talking about where you'd fund localisations like on Kikestarter.
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>>322869381
leave while you can, this thread is shit
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>>322854356

>learn it, isn the jap in games simplier?

What do you mean? Japanese in games period? Depends on the game, I'm sure there are some out there that are really difficult. The most difficult I've come across in Fatal Frame III, and that's mostly because I wasn't used to seeing Japanese that old (they use a lot of old Japanese in a lot of the books and documents. They even went out of their way to re-write a document from Fatal Frame II that appeared in the game, in older style Japanese) and those documents that are supposed to be really old and metaphorical were really confusing at times. Though in a year I probably won't think it's that bad.

The language in Dragon Quest games is really damn simple most of the game.
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>>322869638
If my backing meant it was essentially a preorder and the money i used to back got me a copy i wouldn't even be mad
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>>322869643

That seems to be the way of Dragon Quest threads. They either die due to lack of interest, become huge, shitty threads, or, rarely, become big, chill threads.
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>>322869592

>and they are using the same engine for all three games.
They may be using similar dev tools, but you are an idiot if you think they're all on the same engine. They've already announced FFVII and KH3 are using different engines. And haven't announced what DQXI is using.
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>>322863164
>>322863498

- Can speed up battles
- Two new dungeons (one is short and just an excuse to get one more Mercello scene in the game, the other is a bunch of copy/pasted boss fights with buffed up stats)
- On screen enemies
- Automatically have maps of all dungeons except the Eternal Dragon's.
- New equipment
- Morrie and Gelda (Red) are playable now and are pretty damn cool (especially Gelda)
- Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
- Worse graphics
- Voice acting (though the English version had that)
- Orchestral soundtrack (Which the English version had)
- More costumes for Jessica (some old ones censored, though the bunny suit it even more revealing). Everyone else has at least one costume, some have 2-3.
- More prizes from the Medal Princess
- New photo quest
- Can see how much exp you need to level up from the menu
- New rank in the Monster Battle Road
- New ending(s) with Jessica
- Can save anywhere
- Can distribute skill points as you please
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>>322869919
All of them are announced to use Unreal Engine 4 you dumbass.
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>>322841452
>tfw you're a true fan and know runes so you can import
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>>322869782

Sadly, this is a saign that Dragon Quest is growing in popularity. Its reached the point now where people know it exists. And therefore, they actively troll the fans. A year ago, only a handful of people would talk about DQ. Now its all about console wars and Final Fantasy defending.

Can't wait until DQVII actually comes out and we can have a decent thread about the actual game. Dragon Quest IX had the best threads on /v/ back when it was out.
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>>322869592
We dont know how DQXI is being developed and chances are it will have a smaller overall budget than something like FF15 anyways.

They will definitely be able to cut some corners with the cartoon visuals, at least when it comes to character and monster models. Environments look rather detailed (if they actually make it into the finished game).
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I pirate games that have outrageous prices like Valkyrie profile and DQ7.

Or games that haven't been localized.
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>>322863652
>>322863929

You just see them wandering the fields like anything else. They have an icon above them to differentiate them from the rest, and if you're using Toherosu (not sure what the English name is, it cuts down on random encounters), they'll still show up.
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>>322870136
>I pirate games that have outrageous prices like Valkyrie profile and DQ7.
Aren't those only like $20?

I got DQ7 PS1 in 2013 for like $16 on ebay and VP a few years before that for $5.

Have the prices inflated?
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>>322841452
>Downgraded to 9.2 first try
>basically can pirate any 3DS game I want now regardless of region
>Still gonna buy DQ7 anyway

All I wanted was a region free 3DS that was all. Besides even if I pirate it's only going to be Japanese games anyway.

These Japanese classes are about to pay off.
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I still haven't decided if I want to buy the VIII. I have a ps2 and the original game so it bothers me to buy it again but there is a lot of new shit and it's DQ.
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>>322870242

A boxed version of Dragon Warrior VII costs $50-$70.

Japanese version like $10.
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>>322866107

I've not played the English versions, but I've seen a bit of them. I'm generally fine with accents in entertainment, I rarely ever even think about them. However, they seem to be poorly handled in DQ games and when I was watching a video of the second chapter of DQ IV DS I thought I accidentally found a video of a really bad machine translation at first. They seemed fine in VIII though, at least, from what little I've seen.
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>>322841452
I'll stop pirating when they stop butchering localizations.
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>>322870412
Jesus.

My copy of DW7 even came with the instruction booklet.

The prices for it really sky-rocketed in just two and a half years.
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>>322870242
DQ7 goes from 45-200
Valkyrie Profile goes for 80-400
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>>322866876

The roads are actually there in the game, just not in the opening cutscene for some strange reason. Not that that makes the graphical downgrade better, I'm just sayin'.
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>>322870019
>- Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
It's called "Twin Dragon Lash" on the PS2. And yes it was powerful as fuck because the Gringham whip was OP as fuck and everyone savescummed the shit out of the casino.
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>>322870608

Yeah that. It's still helpful early in the game, and when you get Gelda, her Killer Juggling probably outstrips Twin Dragon Lash anyway. It's ridiculously overpowered.
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>>322867613

>Are you seriously denying that graphics aren't a big part of VIII? Like seriously? Have you even played the damn game?

Not him. I haven't played the PS2 version, but I quite enjoyed the 3DS version. Would kind of like to play the PS2 version someday because it does look really nice, but I'd miss so many of the nice things from the 3DS version.
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>>322870075

I'm just glad I never started the series until I could read Japanese. I had no idea what the state of Dragon Quest in the west was like until I was playing Dragon Quest IV or something and saw people bitching about lack of localizations.
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>>322870545
Then I guess I got lucky getting these when I did.
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>>322870292

If you really like DQ VIII, why not? I can't really compare since I've only ever played the 3DS version, but I really did enjoy it.
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>>322871306

You can find copies of the game (or any game) cheap on ebay when someone doesn't know what it costs. But most people do their homework and sell it for $60+

They were also selling Dragon Quest V for $100 at one time. I sold a copy for $80 myself (and the strategy guide cost even more). Took SquareEnix 4 years to print more copies and normalize the price. And even then, 'normal' just means 'what it cost at launch'.
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>>322866107
Outside of DQ4 it's alright. DQ4 is one of the most poorly handled localization handled by a big company. I really wish we can get a whole new localization because of how horrible it is (maybe fan translation of the PSX version).

Outside that they are meh. I don't hate them but wish they just used basic English. Using certain terms that normal readers never heard of is a bit annoying too.
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>>322870827

If the PS2 version was my favorite game, I almost fear how much I will like the 3DS game with tons of new content.

I also anticipate liking Dragon Quest VII a lot more than the PS1 version. From all the new features I've read. And as much as some people dislike the class change, I kind of welcome it. Both DQVI and VII had the same problem. Your base level could outpace your job levels and you were fucked. Single classes may not be everyones cup of tea, but it sounds better than the old system to me.
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>>322870608
>>322870019
>Twin Dragon Strike (not sure what the English name is, Jessica's whip skill everyone loves) is nerfed.
Actually kind of happy about that. It really was way too broken and now gives me a reason to go into her other skills like Staves.
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>>322871450
At the time, I was seeing multiple copies of VII going for around $20-$30. That's why I was surprised the price had increased that much since then.

I'll admit I've never really payed attention to VP's price, and the rental place probably only sold it that cheap because it was a PS1 game.
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>>322871306
I actually got my copy for $30 with a copy of the guide.
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>>322871529

I'm playing DQVI over right now and while most of the dialects are toned down, they are still too noticable and pronounced. Most monsters still have some obnoxious dialect. And it was painful to read all the mermaid rhyming text...

I hope future DQ games just tone down the accents to a very minimal thing. BUt if DQHeroes is any indication...they're gonna be back to DQIV levels.
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>>322871782

I found the guide at a used game store for $10. And because I got the guide, I decided to get the game. Looked online and the cheapest seller was selling the guide and game for $40. The next cheapest seller was $60 for just the game. So I had to buy the guide twice...
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>Killing the only thing Nintendo isn't a complete failure at with Piracy

At least kill it with an Emulator release.
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>>322871657

>Single classes

What do you mean? And I'm not sure if DQ VII 3DS has that issue or not. I remember reading that people didn't like that if your base level got too high that you'd stop gaining job points in VI. I never really paid attention to that when I played the game, so I didn't notice it. As for DQ VII 3DS, I never noticed anything like that. I had 3-4+ jobs mastered for most characters by the end of the game and I never really grinded.
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>>322871943
that's coming, senpai
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>>322871913

Also, on a side note, the strategy guide for Dragon Warrior VII is the worst guide I ever used. It actually made finding shards harder by giving cryptic, vague clues. One even said 'it is in a land with lots of sand'. So I spent an hour looking all over the Sphinx....only to find it was in a whole other place! Fuck that guide so hard.
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>>322871801
Compare to 4 DQ6 wasn't that bad. Noticeable? Yeah but I can read it and some things I actually enjoyed it. Heroes was fine to me. The Slime with the goo puns was a bit much but it wasn't enough to make me mad unlike DQ4.
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>>322872008

Meaning you have to switch to the class you want to play as. Unlike in the original game where after mastering a class, you can switch to another and retain all its skills.

To use Sage spells, you need to actually be a sage.
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>>322872102

Ah that's what you meant. Yeah, coming from DQ VI, I didn't really like that aspect of it.
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>>322872030
Better than Final Fantasy 9 guide.
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>>322872226

Which is funny since FFVIII had one of the best guides I ever used.
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>>322871695
Staves was actually a pretty good tree with Jessica. Accelleratle and Kasap were basically gimmies, and Caduceus would let her do some great pinch healing, but the real power of the tree was that it gave Jessica a fuckton of extra mana (+100 I think) PLUS mana regen every turn... which basically meant you no longer gave two shits about mana conservation with her and could drop kabooms on fucking drakees if you felt like it. Kazing at the end of the tree wasn't so great (Jess was usually dead long before everyone else was) but hey.
The real problem IMO was the Gringham whip was too fucking strong. Before you get that, Twin Dragon Lash was actually pretty balanced, as Jessica was roughly half the attack power of Hero and Yangus. TDL let her keep up, it's Gringham that puts her over the top.
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>>322872295
I actually bought that one recently.
Found the english version in a german online store for very cheap.

I remembered it being great and its still great.
Its worth it for the artwork alone.
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>>322841452
It has been, what, three years since the DQ VII remake released? It took three years and an infinity of whining from manchildren for NOA/SE to realize there was a market for DQ in the west.
Stop begging for scraps man, get some self-respected and learn 日本語. This faggotry has nothing to do with piracy.

The punchline is that DQVII already has an english translated script since the PS1 era, whichi shares quite a bit of the script with the remake.
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>>322872315
I agree with you. Gringham Whip was gamebreaking. So there was no need to give Jessica anything else. I wanted to use Staves but because of how much damage she did with Twin Dragon Lash with a few charges and she did more than anyone else.
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>>322872487
the punchline is my dick in your mouth while i fuck your face
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>>322872487

Nintendo wanted to release the game three years ago. And not Nintendo of America, but Nintendo of Japan. It went all the way up to Iwata, who said directly to Yuji Horii he looked forward to localizing all DQ games to the west (specifically DQX). It was guys at SE who kept blocking it.

Also, you're naive if you think they'd just use the same script as the PS1 game. I don't want a new translation to be full of accents, but the old PS1 game also had a bad translation.
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>>322872487

>Stop begging for scraps man, get some self-respected and learn 日本語

だ…だって!難しいよっ!
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>>322872683

>but the old PS1 game also had a bad translation.

How so? I've only played the 3DS version and watched a small amount of videos on the PSX version and, dry though it was, it seemed more faithful than most DQ localizations I'd seen (though that Patrick kid spoke really oddly in the English version). I did see a scene when Sharkeye pretended he was going to use some guy as a slave. That certainly wasn't in the 3DS version and I even looked up the Japanese PSX version of the scene and it wasn't in there either. I kind of get the impression that as the game went on, they started taking more and more liberties.
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>>322872997

A lot of text issues (text overlapping out of windows or broken sentences). Also, some parts of the translation weren't just dry, but lacked context. Which became a big problem when some NPC gave you a hint of where a shard was...but the translation was so horrible you couldn't figure it out. The NPC would say something like 'I have a vision of a pot in a land you know well'. And...that's it. So great....all I gotta do is check every pot in the 10 areas I've visited...in both time periods. Thanks NPC!
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>>322873203

Sounds worse than I thought. Hopefully the 3DS version's localization is decent.
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>>322872683
No, it's extremely unlikely that they would reuse a script, what I mean by that is that the game was already translated decently enough and they have a script to use for reference. It's not like they are working from scratch with zero reference, which would make the three years of wait more reasonable.
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>>322873367
I honestly don't really blame the localizers on this one. It was more rushed than just being bad. Also not only did they do DQ7 but also DQ1+2 and 3 GBC and Torneko Mystery Dungeon. All in about a year of each other. Enix was reallly serious of getting us Dragon Quest again but they really over did it with DQ7. The localization for the most part is sound just some iffy things here and there. It's still miles ahead of Dragon Quest 4 DS.
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>>322873662
So serious that none of the Enix localised games ever released in Europe beyond one or two games thanks to other publishers.
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>>322874074
nobody cares about europe
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>>322873662
I mean all in about one year total. All of that came out in 2000-2001. And DQ7 isn't what you call a small text game. The only real issue was the text spacing was completely fucked
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>that fucking ugly downgraded 8 port
Such a great game doesn't deserve such poor treatment. The only extra worthwhile content is two more playable characters and a few extra story scenes. The "extra" dungeon is filled with recycled story bosses.
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>>322874493
Seriously, why the fuck does Final Faggotry get all the budget money when Enix saved Square's ass and DQ is more popular?
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>>322874493

There's two extra dungeons, but the other isn't that interesting either. Still, wonder why people are so angry over it. I've seen very few Japanese fans complain. I guess there's less graphicsfags in Japan?
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>>322874762
Nobody cares what a bunch of squinty eyed nips who play games on their phones think.
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>>322874762
Japan doesn't give a fuck about 1080p 60fps bullshit. Hell they spend more time playing mobile games than anything else.
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>>322874909

>Japan doesn't give a fuck about 1080p 60fps bullshit

Truly, they are the great people.
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>>322874762
> I guess there's less graphicsfags in Japan?
Obviously, only a tasteless retard could play Monster Hunter on 3DS. It's just an ugly brown jagged mess to the eyes.
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>>322874724
>Final Faggotry
Don't be a child now.

DQ gets tons of money for its budget and even if DQVIII 3DS got more money it wouldn't make a difference because of the hardware being shit.

>DQ is more popular
Only in Japan, in West FF and KH are far more popular.

Also, Enix wasn't that great either when they couldn't get any releases in Europe.

>>322874909
Sure they don't senpai.
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>>322866107
>>322871529
Playing through on mobile now and I'll tell you that it's mostly fine and I don't mind the tongue and cheek wordplay as there's not much else these games can do to appeal to the west these days besides the text as every game since has used them as their foundations and all that.

What gets my fucking goat is playing through DQ2 and looking up guides that are only written for the literal translations/fan translations and not the recent localisations and finding out shit like the Prince of Midenhall's kingdom is called Lorasia in JP and how significant that is because the Dragon Warrior from DQ 1 marries Lady Lora and names a fucking kingdom after her.

But US players will never get that reference. You know what Lora (Gwaelin in US) gets in the our translation? A gate to a tunnel named Gwaelin's Gate. What the fuck.

And for what? To preserve old names from Dragon Warrior on NES? Nigger what in the actual fuck.
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>>322875038
>Enix wasn't that great either when they couldn't get any releases in Europe.
see >>322874139
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>>322875038
>Sure they don't senpai.
Outside of mobile the best selling video game this gen is Monster Hunter 4U and Animal Crossing. And the best console game this gen is Splatoon.
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>>322875125
>But nobody cares about Europe, I swear!!!!
Haha.
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>>322875386
nobody does but europeans, and they're barely people anyway
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>>322875081

>What gets my fucking goat is playing through DQ2 and looking up guides that are only written for the literal translations/fan translations and not the recent localisations and finding out shit like the Prince of Midenhall's kingdom is called Lorasia in JP and how significant that is because the Dragon Warrior from DQ 1 marries Lady Lora and names a fucking kingdom after her.

I know exactly how you feel, except I played the games in Japanese and got annoyed when I looked up things only to find that everything is renamed in the English games. It got to the point where I just Googled in Japanese anytime I needed something.
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>>322875442
Says the man who writes in all small characters. Bravo.
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>>322875453

Also

> called Lorasia in JP and how significant that is because the Dragon Warrior from DQ 1 marries Lady Lora and names a fucking kingdom after her.

I never caught that.
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>>322875512
what does that have to do with europe being irrelevant?
stop changing the subject
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>>322841452
Hey fucker, you know what? I'll just repeat what you told people when they were upset about censorship:


>just learn the language

Isn't life ironic? Life's only a bitch if you are one.

Now fuck off.
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>>322875578
>Acting superior
>Writes like pre-schooler

I'll let you think about that all by your own.
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>>322875663
i'm not saying i'm superior, i'm saying europeans are inferior

get your facts together
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>>322875713
Oxymoron.
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>>322875595
What the hell are you even talking about?
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>>322841563
Ever heard of the Dreamcast?

Your statement is ignorant as fuck
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>>322875867
don't you call me a moron
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>>322855220
>believing consoles will die
Kek
>believing PC will take over
It will never ever happen

I play both consoles and PC and there is a reason why consoles are way more popular. They appeal to a more casual audience which unfortunately is the bulk of the gaming community (ie kids and CoD fags).

The PC as a gaming platform will die before any console does. And when I say "die" I refer to the fact that PC exclusives will die, we all know that it can't actually be irradiated due to the fact that a PC has many more uses other than gaming and will always be used for mediocre ports and emulation.
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