>I'm a demon but I never noticed so I'm fine until I remember
This is the one thing in SH1 I never got. Everything else you can chalk up to the cult, but how do you stave off becoming a monster by not realizing you're one?
Something about how Alessa is actually alive, and she's a toasted strudel in a hospital bed somewhere, pulling real people into her nightmare world with her psychic sadako ringu girl powers. Lisa was spared from the nightmare for a while because she was nice to Alessa
I think she was Alessa's memory of her.
She was the only person that was kind to Alessa while she was staying in the hospital basement.
Its possible that Alessa noticed her drug use and was worried about her, seeing as she was heavily addicted.
Maybe her dying in front of Harry represents her fear of losing the only person that cares about her.
but thats just my interpretation, the game never really explains
similar to how the town fabricated Maria from James's memories of Mary in SH2 I might add
I always felt like it was Alessa's memories that kept her human in the fog world, because that's a world Alessa controlled. But the rust-covered demonic world is the world of the evil god, so it's a realm where she has no power and Alessa's protection over Lisa can't hold there.
Alessa doesn't want to hurt Harry. She realizes that Harry isn't horrible, but Harry should never have brought Cheryl and should not be helping Dahlia. That's where Lisa comes in.
Lisa is Alessa attempting to talk Harry down and to prevent him from progressing any further. This false Lisa is like most demons, but instead, possesses a sympathetic memory of the real Lisa, making her kind and loving. She has no idea what she is until the very end, when Alessa loses control and Silent Hill ushers in a new chaos.
If Alessa had enough time and power, she could have probably got Cheryl and Harry out of there, but too much was happening at one time. Harry shot that plan, not knowing he was helping the wrong person.
False Lisa is everything Alessa remembered of Lisa.
I swear to God, I would join any fucking cult if I got the chance to fuck faceless, nurse demons.
That shit really revs my engine
Yo, as long as I do the fucking I'm down bro. Bring 'em on.
There's 3 Silent Hills
the real world, which is a normal resort town with normal people living in it, and we never get to see it
the world covered in fog, which pulls people into it
and the nightmare rust world, which pulls in people from the world of fog
Then why are the cultists the only people in town at all? Not even bodies, they're just plain the only people there.
Plus James and his wife went there several times, and unless 2 takes place before 1, then clearly it was a normal town during or after 1. And towns don't just depopulate then repopulate like that.
>Then why are the cultists the only people in town at all? Not even bodies, they're just plain the only people there.
the spiritual power is able to shape reality, it can manifest buildings/creatures/people from nothing but can also remove them
>James and his wife went there several times, and unless 2 takes place before 1, then clearly it was a normal town during or after 1
James and Mary went there before the events of SH1 and James returned after SH1
>towns don't just depopulate
in SH1 lisa said that most of the inhabitants moved away after the economy of the town was destroyed or something like that
>James and Mary went there before the events of SH1 and James returned after SH1
There's like an almost 10 year difference between SH1 and 3, and 2 is purposely vague as to when it takes place.
She's probably going off her own memories (since she's a projection of Alessa in the game); wouldn't know she's not real until she became self-aware of the fact.
Also her being close to Alessa during those hellish years is why she's still emotional and non-violent, unlike all the other zombie-nurses/doctors or the monsters.
It's better for your sanity to just say SH2 is in a different universe than the others of the main 4. Because the psychological aspect of how the town works is at clear odds from the rest of the games which run on gods and cult magic.
It's not too much of a stretch to make the connection that cult influence is what draws people like James to the town and creates the manifestations of their issues. The game makes quite a few references to the town's rumored sacredness and some shit is lifted straight from the cult's lore.
the town always had a spiritual power surrounding it.
But because of alessa's nightmare accidently projecting outward has tainted it with the demon god at thats how shit is able to happen,
now its not one person's nightmare but also eddie's and Angela's
I think there's 2 possible explanations, 1 of which is the whole Alessa's memory that everyone else has said. Another is her hatred toward Kauffman for getting her addicted to drugs and watching over a dying girl. She forgot mostly everything judging from her dialogue, and she was miserable at her job and with herself judging from the tape and her journals, but she still remembered to go directly after Kauffman in the good ending, so something had to drive her to him.
The Alessa thing is a much more solid theory though.
for that I direct you to the answer to the first question here >>322844889
This is a pretty commonly accepted theory bruh. Fog world is the stand in name for the town when shit is foggy and there's weird roadblocks covered in tarp and shit. The fact that both Harry and Henry were both tourists of the town is proof that a normal town exists on some level.
Will that kind anon post the download links from the other day?
And continues to exist, which is evident by the fact that Henry visited not long before the events of SH4. The cult fucks with things but it's assumed that it's on a level beyond the "real" world.
It's kind of like that thing where the coyote runs over the edge of the cliff but doesn't fall until he looks down and realizes he's standing on air, and then all of a sudden gravity starts working on him.
I'm pretty sure examining the picture of the lighthouse triggers the dialogue where he talks about visiting Silent Hill recently and taking the photo. I'm pretty sure he also mentions that weird shit is rumored to happen there, but we can at safely assume that it functions as a relatively normal town i.e. none of the excessively weird shit we see before the transformations into the otherworld. Just local cult shenanigans and drug problems that happen to be related to the cult shenanigans, not reality bending stuff for your average citizen.
She's addicted to the drug that's made of the same shit you throw on Sybil to make her worm fall out. She'd be a gross slut nerd like the others if she wasn't a druggie. It's referenced in Shattered Memories, she dies from a drug overdose from a bottle labeled Claudia (like the plant).
>There's like an almost 10 year difference between SH1 and 3, and 2 is purposely vague as to when it takes place.
2 is 70's-90's. There's type writers and no computers.
3 is modern times. I forget if 1 has any computers or just type writers too.
SH1 is around 1990
Harry mason's Jeep Wrangler YJ was first sold in 1986 so it cant be before that.
They'd probably bash your head in with a pipe after you fuck them.
>Everything else you can chalk up to the cult, but how do you stave off becoming a monster by not realizing you're one?
it's like you're a normalfag all your life and then one day someone drops some anime on you and suddenly you are full weeaboo.
I have a theory, what if the town has no cult?
The town is cursed town, entities from it are created from the user bias and memories, Harry was a writer, his subcounsious made up all that cult shit, it was one of his works.
James had the Pyramid Head, once he left or died, a part of his mind was left, Pyramid head and his demons were left behind.
Things like that.
I'd say that SH2 happened maybe a year or so after SH1, and SH1 was late 80s at the earliest, although early 90s is most viable. SH3 was at least 17 years after SH1, and I think Braintree gave a hint that SH4 takes place a couple of years after SH2.
So in timeline terms I think it's 1-2-4-3.
I always thought she was dragged into the Otherworld along with the Kaufmann, but died early on whereas Kaufmann shot the fuck out of every monster in sight. Alessa kept her consciousness together because Lisa was the only person who was kind to her after the fire but couldn't maintain control after Dahlia suppressed her power near the end, which is why she literally falls apart in front of you.
The only entity even similar to Pyramid Head that show up in any of the core games but 2 is Valtiel and he serves a much different purpose. The reason PH has become something of a mascot is because people thought he was cool, so people from outside of the original franchise exploited that popularity.
It's hillarious in Shattered Memories when Harry first discovers his cell phone ringing in his jacket pocket and he's all like 'WTF?' Harry never owned a cell phone back in his day, but present-day grown-up Cheryl couldn't dream up an adult not having one. So magically he does.
Shattered Memories explores the idea that the story is all a result of Harry's divorce and alienation from his family. He literally demonizes his ex-wife and the few fleeting times he sees his daughter, she's much older each time and ultimately become a stranger who rejects him. Depression and alcoholism creates pervasive and suffocating dark thoughts and paranoia, plunging into a persecution complex and self-harm. Good fun.
Play the games. The first movie is just a hyper condensed plot of 1 and 2 while fucking up the important bits.
Origins contradicts most of SH1 due to the reasoning and actions of Dahlia and Alessa in Origins, not to mention Dahlia and Kauffman for some reason never mention the guy that threw a giant wrench to their plan in the first place. The Room is considered the worst of the original 4, but it's actually a decent starting point and it's not as bad as others make it out to be. If you can emulate 1-3, then replay 4, it'd be worth your while. Shattered Memories isn't bad either, but play it after 1 and 3.
Avoid Homecoming, Downpour, the comics, and Book of Memories. They muddy the waters of the story that the original games started, not to mention they're not great mechanically, visually, or ideally.
All the games after SH4 are just spin-offs and not canon at all.
And the movies have nothing to do with SH at all.
They jus rip some monsters from the games and use some names from certain characters. The story itself is completely different.
In the game Alessa=good
In the movies Alessa=evil
the real twist is that Cheryl was coping with the bad ending of the original,but I see your point of how it could be MADE into something good. >>322855447
just sounds like random speculation about the series in general.
How can i go back to somewhere i've never been?
Actually they called him the bogeymn. Also his design is a little bit different: different helmet shape, no gloves , naked torso.
But yeah its pretty fucking obvious they ripped off SH2 just like every other game after SH4.
Twin Perfect go home, you're making Fungo look good in comparison
>I get it now... Why I'm still alive even though everyone else's dead. I'm not the only one who's still walking around. I'm the same as them. I just hadn't noticed it before.
Generally accepted idea is that she didn't realize she was a monster because Alessa shielded her from understanding somehow as a thank you for being the only person who wasn't a complete cunt to her.
No one pulled into the otherworld manifests as a monster. It doesn't happen to Harry, Dalia, Kaufmann, or Cybil. Alessa created the otherworld, and these individuals were pulled into it. Everything manifested in the otherworld was a part of her unconscious experiences. One of her unconscious experiences was that of the kind nurse Lisa—so even though Lisa was a fabrication, she was a fabrication of the caring Alessa felt. After the Flauros attack Alessa's grip on the otherword loses coherency, making the Nowhere level a confusing jumble, and incidentally making Lisa degenerate. Into another nurse? Well, she suspects she's one of the monsters, but it appears she basically just... starts coming apart. There's no indication she represents the "possessed" nurses or doctors. She does go dark in the one ending and takes Kauffman down, knowingly, so it doesn't seem she was one of the other nurses.
It's interesting to wonder if the nurses and doctors in the hospital are possessed like Cybil was, rather than the usual monsters of the town. You can't use the aglaophotis on them but I don't know that this proves anything.
It's almost certain that all the other nurses are possessed, as they have the same parasitic thing on them that Cybil does. Lisa isn't though, at least not from what the game shows, she just... Turns. I guess it was the revelation, or maybe it was Alessa's memory morphing her, or maybe even her hate towards the cult and Kauffman. There's definitely a few parallels between her and Maria in Born from a Wish.