So i started dragon age origins today, i'm playing as a elf mage.
Pretty good so far, some grey warden recruited me to kill some zombie monsters and shit, now at i'm some fort full of wardens.
/v/ told me in various occasions that this is the only good Dragon Age game, is that true?
General tips would be nice too.
AoE spells damaging my party is kinda shit desu
It's good, try Inquisition if you like this one, then give DA II a go if you're really invested in the lore and all. DA II is like a 5/10 game, but you still might get a kick out of it. Inquisition is 8/10 game
Me, I don't know I recognize that this game is good but it seemed too generic for me, I would rather play any fantasy MMO whenever I try to replay it
Nah. It was one of the last couple games (ME1 being the other) that wasn't affected by the EA take over. Thats why you see such a massive change in the sequels (same as ME series).
As for advice. I suggest doing the mages college quest line first as i believe it sends u into the Fade where you gain a bunch of upgrades and its also regarded as the least liked area so its best to get done and out of the way.
It's probably the best one. DA2 was rushed as shit and didn't even have half the development time as DAO and it shows in just about every area although playing a sarcastic femHawke can be enjoyable. Inquisition is alright and has some decent ideas but has its own problems like making bigger zones but forgetting to put enough interesting things in them.
At least 2 had the balls to innovate. DA:O was such a throwback to traditional fantasy, I'm surprised the manuals don't come with Tolkein's wank stain on it. The entire game is so mired in old school CRPG that I'd swear I could hear the old dial-up tune as the game loaded. All the animations are slow as shit and combat for anything other than mages feel like you're waiting in line so your friends can ride a roller coaster you're too short for. And let's not forget the cheeky self-aware characters for the "us gamers" crowd. At least DA:2 was a fresh take on the genre. Ten minutes into DA:O, I'd spent the last eight of it in a stupor from my deja vu.
> DA:O Click on enemy
> Run towards him and attack
> DA2: Click on enemy
> Run towards enemy and go CURAZEEE
> DA:Inq Click on enemy
> Stand in place
> Have to manually run up to enemy
> Have to hold down auto-attack button in ranged/melee
Ranged is the only way to go in Inq
I honestly liked DA2 more than Inquisition. Inquisition was fine, and had a great start, but the world felt so much emptier than the other two games.
DA2's environments were extremely repetitive, and the interactions were fewer than Origins, but there was still a stronger sense of variance in writing the quests and how the companions tied into the main story.
Origins is the only decent game in the series and even then it's only a strong 7 I'd say, although I don't know how well it's held up. Think I replayed it back in '11 with all the polished mods. Being a 7 doesn't mean its a bad game though, in fact its def worth a playthrough and i'm sure you'll enjoy it. The mage tower gets old after a couple playthroughs and I think the dwarf section is the best part of the game but I'm partial to dwarves.
Also look for a mod to fix the friendly fire shit I'm sure there's one out there for it. And get the respec mod their tooltips are shit and don't explain the abilities thoroughly.
I don't disagree and somehow have a soft spot for 2 despite the respawning waves of enemies and reused areas. The story could've been good too if that whole last part was done differently.
Who the fuck knows what they were thinking when they came up with that auto-attack shit in Inquisition.
> Blood mage is like being a sorcerer on magic steroids. It does kick a lot of ass.
> All being a blood made entails is using hp instead of mana pool for spells
> being a sorcerer on magic steroids
Origins was clearly straight up Tolkien in its roots, but it does it in a solid enough way and had enough fun characters that I didn't mind.
I do think that people are too quick to write off DA2 though. I actually really liked the idea of following a family's personal conflict in the middle of something bigger, just a shame they weren't given more time to polish things up.
I don't mind the idea of a fantasy concept "going smaller", but that doesn't mean the geography also had to be that tiny, and shitty character cast and cut-and-paste dungeons were unforgivable. DA2 was an unfinished game and I'm not enough of a doormat to apologize for that.
> Have Anders Breivik whole game in party
> Try to convince him that his extremist views are close minded
> Go through trials and tribulations
> Show him that theres insane fucking people on both sides
> He begins to understand
> "Thank you for showing me theres two sides to a coin"
> Still blows up the Chantry
> I wasn't me It was Justice all along
> You can kill me now pls
Something I'll give DA2, is that the companion arcs felt like they had a legitimate start and end in the main plot.
In Inquisition there were only a few characters that I thought had solid conclusions with their stories. But characters like Blackwall, Vivienne, and Serra made me think they were building up to something more that never came.
Really? Is that all that blood magic does?
I was thinking you had some forbidden powerful spells to fuck shit up.
Meh, guess i'll go arcane nigger.
I WANT TO SHOOT ENERGY SHIT FROM MY HAND, I WANNA BE DARTH SIDIOUS.
I want to play the game like a sith lord from KOTOR 2.
This game was great. I've must have played through it at least four times and exhausted just about every ounce of content within it. Could never go back to it anymore, but I do remember the butterflies of enjoying it the first time.
DA:O is really good, enjoy it, anon.
DA2 was rushed as hell because of EA (Bioware wanted it to be a DLC for DA:O, but EA forced them to make a completely new game), but if you ignore the reused areas and the graphic, it can be an enjoyable experience. It also prepares the scene for Inquisition.
I enjoyed Inquisition a lot, to be honest. The gameplay isn't the best, but the characters are nice (even Sera, once you know her better) and I think they all had good stories/personal quests. The lore is fantastic.
Not all companions quests have to influence the main plot: for example,
you played matchmaker with Aveline and that Templar in DA2, but that didn't have much to do with the main storyline, while Merrill's was quite important.
Blackwall's story is actually brought up in Trespasser (which is the real ending of Inquisition): his name in the menu is even changed to Thom Ranier.
Also, Solas', Bull's or Cassandra's companion arcs directly influence the game: Solas can either respect or despise you in Trespasser depending on how you treated him/if you killed his spirit friend or not, influencing the future game; Bull can betray you or stay with you depending on your choice during his quest; Cassandra can reform the Seekers of Truth or disband them forever; Varric's quest even lets you discover that red lyrium is alive and Tainted
>/v/ told me in various occasions that this is the only good Dragon Age game, is that true?
Arcane Warriors are fun. If you take healer or bloodmage as the secondary specialisation, you become invincible.
Buy any and all backpacks and skill books you can get, there are some missable opportunities to buy them effectively twice.
Aveline's date wasn't her only story though. There was also the development with her becoming guard captain, and how the role was affected by everything else going on.
For all the shite that the linearity of DA2's plot gets, I liked how the characters all reflected a certain aspect of the city's conflict, and how you dealt with them changed each of their fates in the final conflict.
The DLC was a fine epilogue for most of the characters, but I would have liked a little more time to develop them before that. Blackwall's crime is revealed, and it's just kind of brushed aside after his quest until he finds redemption somewhere in-between Inquisition and Trespasser.
>DA2 was rushed as hell because of EA (Bioware wanted it to be a DLC for DA:O, but EA forced them to make a completely new game), but if you ignore the reused areas and the graphic, it can be an enjoyable experience. It also prepares the scene for Inquisition.
DA2 tried to do too much, especially considering how its development went.
might not have been the most effective use of my mana or the most party member friendly but god dammit nuking an entire room with storm of the century was fucking fun
also felt very appropriate in a "this is why the setting has templars" way
>when mages are the best mage-killers with that mana-exploding spell, also removed in the later games on account of too much fun
Also I've never bothered to do it, but
>trap a group of enemies with paralysis or earthquake
>summon a lake of grease around them
>set the whole thing on fire
I agree that Blackwall's crime is a bit brushed aside, but that also depends on how you chose to free him from prison - if you switch him with the criminal that has to be hanged anyway, all Thedas believes that Thom Ranier is dead. In fact Leliana says that only the Inquisition knows what really happened and they must keep things secret.
If you ask Orlais to release him or forcefully free him instead, then you can hear NPCs complain about it in the streets and the banters and some missions on the War Table change.
You can affect the characters' life and their final fate in Inquisition too, maybe even more than in DA2, where all your companions remain with you until the end, even if you have been an asshole for the majority of the game (except for Isabela, who can permanently live). They only become rivals, but never leave you.
In Inquisition, you can
>help Cullen with his lyrium addiction. If you don't, he progressively get crazier and crazier and dies at the end of Trespasser
>Leliana can be hardened and become a bloodthirsty Divine or have her faith restored
>pirates attack Josephine's ships if you completed her personal quest with diplomacy, she hires them if you used violence
>Bull betrays you if you kill the Chargers
>Cole gets with Maryden if you made him human or he returns to the Fade to assist you from there if you made him spirit
>Vivienne influences the mages' life and the Circles a lot in different ways depending on your choices
>Solas' arc is the most important because he either hates you and refuses to be redeemed or he admires/loves you and hopes you will find a way to stop him, influencing the outcome of the next game.
I think that the companion arcs of Inquisition influence Thedas even more than those of DA2, which were restricted to Kirkwall only and changed only things inside the city and in your group of friends. I liked DA2 story arcs, but Inquisition's were much better in my opinion.
Dragon Age 2 is my favorite
>mages feel OP as fuck, those ice spells
>that mage/templar dynamic
>that condensed area
>those actually decent sidequests
There wasn't really apoint I was bored playing DA2 again like a month ago
I recognize Origins is a better game but I like 2 more
Inquisition is alright too, especially the Trespasser DLC is fucking fantastic
Can i re-specc my spells at some point?
I think i have made some mistakes, i'm not liking that much that energy powers.
FUCK FRIENDLY FIRE
>Somewhat civil conversation about DA
I'm also playing through this game for the first time, though I'm like 40 hours in, as a human mage. Pounded the Morrigan pussy and kind of wishing I had gone blood mage or arcane warrior instead of shapeshifter.
This game has been a pleasant surprise though, I kind of just bought it on a whim and it really is up there with one of the greats of Bioware's old canon. Really loving it so far.
What's the best order to play the DLC in m8s?
And are the other games even worth it?
DA2 did handle companions very well. They were more fleshed out than Origins and had more depth.
Origins was like your typical older fantasy where it focuses more on the plot than your characters where DA2 was more modernized, focusing on characters over plot.
Inquisition tries to do both but doesn't really excel at either. The characters in Inquisition weren't bad but I couldn't get the same connection to them. Even Varric lost something in transition.
And fuck Inquisition for not portraying the full level of sarcasm my Hawke possessed. I went out of my way to make him super blasé and facetious and he was fucking serious and grimdark in Inquisition.
How am i supposed to build an arcane warrior? It feels like i either just build an auto attacker who can cast like 1 spell because of fatigue costs, or just kinda ignore everything except the first talent so i can use any armor.
elemental AoE's are so powerful that without FF they'd be completely and utterly unbalanced, especially when you start to combo them
learn how not to hit your allies or if you can't deal with it get the antimagic glyph spell
>firestorm with that AoE gravity slow
Still I couldn't help but feel that my Warden could fucking waltz through and kill everything in Kirkwall without giving a single shit.
You take all the talents in Arcane Warrior along with Rock Armor/Arcane Shield/Miasma.
Wear heavy armor and anything that gives stamina/mana regen.
Take Blood Mage and respec all points in willpower to constitution. And dump any excess points into Dexterity to up your dodge/hit ratings.
Then take any goddamn spell you want because you'll never take damage and can drain health from your tank if you do.
>already started playing
>"/v/ told me in various occasions that this is the only good Dragon Age game, is that true?"
Quit being such a fickle little shit, why don't you form your own opinion for once. "/v/ told me" get the fuck out of here, if you weren't so new you'd already know anything "/v/" tells you needs to be taken with not just a grain of salt, but a heaping bag of it.
I did when I didn't realize what was going on. It was easy to avoid if you saw the mage. If not you'd just be controlling your character, only to have half your group die out of no where. No one ever did crushing prison on me in Origins.
I thought this scene in particular was not so good because of my characters voice
Agreed. The faggy British accent for the male was just awful. Way too posh. The other male voice was alright, so I used it. I played a good-guy Qunari who was like the too-friendly uncle to everyone on the team, and his voice was perfect for that kind of chauvinistic almost-sexual harassment whenever I flirted with the sexy dwarf scout.
It's the same as pretty much every other Bioware game, in that buffs are incredibly overpowered. So if you want easy mode, roll an Arcane Warrior, turn on your passives, and watch as you become an invincible slaughterhouse.
Inquisition fucked over Hawke so hard. I wanted to play as him/her so badly and have them join the team in some bigger capacity. Barely even had a chance to chill with Varric.
And now that she/he's possibly dead, we'll never get another chance.
I'd strongly suggest getting at least Trespasser, the other 2 are so-so
The Descent is fucking hilarious
>david hayter as a dwarf
>dorian is shit
Ill fight u fucking homo nigger
you mix it with the bloodmage specialization and break the game. You're the only one who can do so because Morrigan and Wynne come with a specialization(though both make great Arcane Warriors, especially Wynne as a pseudo Paladin.) Max out both trees and then pick one branch of damaging spells you really enjoy, walk in, kill everything, beat game.
Inquisition is really, really empty. Big and empty.
But it does have some interesting stuff regarding the Fade and the ancient elves at least.
Also best origins are City Elf, Dwarf Noble, and Human Noble.
Mah nigga. There are cool spell combinations (don't remember any, played long time ago) and you learn new classes from npcs.
If there is something I remember:
>you get blood mage from a titty demon in a castle
>there's a really cool spell that turns dudes into bombs
>if party members are happy they get a boost
>if an item looks like it belongs on a certain party member, use it on them
>you can pause combat
>the witch and the barbarian want you to be an asshole
>cool tank dude and rouge priest can be turned evil
>if it can be reasoned with, you can talk your way out of fights
>nobody is an enemy in absolute terms
3 mages 1 tank best party setup.
Do circle tower first.
You can live without a rogue
Warden's Keep DLC has some good armor.
Have somebody always keep haste on, even if it's just for traveling's sake.
Don't spoil yourself with the Dwarf quest.
Enjoy the lack of morality bar and feel free to act like a blood knight if you wish.
I fucking despise Merril but she's still the best, by virtue of breaking her will and spirit being that amusing, likely despite the intentions of the devs. It's one of the few fun parts of DA2.
>Fenris so low
>Sera ahead of him
It's kinda sad. I really kinda liked him, even if he was pretty edgey
I really hope we can see him in the next game, if only because of Solas
being an asshole and trying to get rid of the Veil to bring magic back. Even if every other elf somehow goes along with Solas, I know for a fact Fenris will not stand for that shit
I really hope Bioware will let me play as muh City elf in the next game. Dallish are just not that interesting to play as.
It's viable, I hear Leliana is pretty good later in the game. I guess I should change it to "plot wise" you will be fine without a rogue. In the few points where you NEED to unlock something you can switch her in.
AND I JUST REMEMBERED. Minor spoiler
Lothering gets rekt after you finish a main quest like the mage tower. Do all you can before if you actually care.
Zevran is best elf followed by Fenris
Solas gets a consolation prize for at least being somewhat interesting.
Anyone else feel like the actually canonical way to play each game is as a mage? I feel like that's what Bioware bases the games around.
Part of Origins is delving into ancient, forgotten places and gathering legendary items and learning old powerful types of magic. It feels weird to get all that shit and just hand it off to another party member. It also feels weird to be a normal warrior/rogue and be the sole hero in a war where you had to chop through thousands of darkspawn and kill a corrupted god. I know Female/Rogue/City Elf is supposed to be the default for Origins but it doesn't seem it. If you play a human mage your last name is Amell. And guess what? Hawke's mother is an Amell, which is a neat connection if you go down that route, even Cullen comments on it.
Hawke is obviously meant to be a mage from all the promo shit for DA2.
And the Inquisitor still seems like he/she should be a mage.
>Tevinter City Elf
>Leading against the shitshow free for all that's gonna start if/when the veil gets torn down
Calling it now. Tevinter Patriots vs Thedas/Common folk vs Solas vs Qunari vs Chantry vs Darkspawn free for all.
Whatever happened in the Fade when the Tevinter magisters broke through the Veil to make them Darkspawn is probably still there. Something that Solas may not actually know about. Are you cautiously hyped for absolute hell to go down when Solas opens the prison of the old Elven Mage rulers to find they're all hyper powerful Darkspawn?
Not quite a slave, but just shy of being one
>Hawke is obviously meant to be a mage from all the promo shit for DA2.
I don't know man playing a mage in DA2 felt retarded as fuck. You go around the city with a robes and a glowing staff while casting spells left and right and no one gives a fuck
Canon as far as Inquisition goes is a female Dalish elf that sacrificed herself to kill the Archdemon.
Which is retarded because Morrigan's god baby still exists regardless.
It should have been a male mage or a male warrior since both lead to a lot more interesting points in the story. Like being a Cousland and not only killing Howe but taking back your home and using it as the seat of power for the Fereldan Wardens.
They know you're a mage though, the head templar girl mentions it several times that even tho you're not in the Circle she tolerates you because you're a good influence on Kirkwall and stuff
Avelyne was too mannish for Japan, Isabelle was too slutty. I've never seen a gay jihadist in a JRPG. There are shitheads and boring characters in JRPGs so I guess Carver and Bethany could be respectively, but nor do they jump out as such. Varric not really.
I'm more of a fan of masculine voices, I get that he's this twinky little elf but I figured being a scarred warrior he'd sound a bit husky. Instead we got 'slightly annoyed bookworm' which makes any scene where he tries to be tough come off as super cheesy.
I tend to get crazy with the sidequests and put off doing anything major until I clean up the wartable. That usually leads to the story just disappearing for a couple hours before I side with the mages or templars and get dorian. Then I tend to stop playing...no clue why usually something less grindy grabs my attention.
2hander with the kinky tattoos from DA2? I dunno that didn't seem deep to me, deep is the arishok. or iron bull, or blackwall. Fenris had a boyish voice like Alistair but without the charm to carry it.
Really? I played 2 and it was super shit and i was dissapointed with the direction mass effect went so i just gave up on bioware. If its anywhere close to origins i might pick it up.
Oh sorry I wasn't the original Anon, it was definitely not the best game I've played in years. Yet it was a solid title, fills in the western rpg gap really nicely (I don't enjoy the witcher games).
I originally also disliked 2 at lot as I played it on release but in hindsight it does so many things right, I can't help but love it
You should play it as a female mage however, anything else is flat out wrong
Zevran is the best elf by so far it isn't even funny.
So I played Inquistion when it first came out, almost to the end. Think the mission I stopped after was when Kieran went through the Eluvian.
Contemplating getting the DLC and restarting with a fresh character since I didn't like a lot of the decisions I made. Only thing that stops me are the incessant, shallow side-quests.
Is the DLC really good or not? I basically know what happens in each but that's not the same as playing it.
We all agree that some form of The Circle is necessary right? Mages cannot be trusted to manage themselves. I always thought Vivienne had the right Idea on how to handle mages. Where do you all fall on the mage issue?
The DLC for Inquisition is suprisingly great
>descent has cool deep roads again, also david hayter
>jaws of hakkon basically main game area in good
>Trespasser is absolutely fantastic, great story, actually great and interesting gear to equip and it adds some more time with the characters i guess
>Solas not being best elf
I agree that Zevran is super good, but Inquisition made me prefer Solas over him. Ancient elven mythological figure that wasn't really a god, but just a poor guy who wanted to make things right and made a mess - I loved that.
I never could stand Merrill, she is just too selfish and becomes even a bigger asshole if you try to make her understand that what she's doing is too dangerous and not worth it. Fenris was a solid character, I liked his development.
>Hyped for anything Dragon Age after 2 and Inquisition, the former which was so bad that the lead designer left the company mid-production.
Jaws of Hakkon/Descent/Trespasser, so all of them
You need the power from side quests to progress through the main game. Even hunting down the fucking rifts all over the maps is a pain in the ass. Besides I typically play RPGs as a completionist and it is annoying that there are that many quest markers on the map but none of them are interesting.
Inquisition, without a doubt. All the codex entries were really interesting and intrigued me A LOT.
>that codex entry where a magister speaks with an intelligent darkspawn
>that codex entry about the true meaning of Fen'Harel's name
>all those dates and historical figures, timelines, details about monarchies, priesthood, and nations, descriptions of the various holidays, diary pages etc.
Say what you want about Bioware, but the DA team put tons of effort into the lore of the series - I didn't see the same kind of attention and love for details in ME
>tfw they will bring back the inquisitor as a non-playable character in DA4
>rather than retain the personality you gave him, he will be an edgy, stoic blob
>he will have a mechanical arm
It seems hinted that the Inquisitor will come back, even without one arm (a problem that could be solved by giving them a prostethic/magical arm).
Trespasser gave me the idea that they will still be involved deeply in the future ("We will save our friend from himself", "We have what we truly need to continue"). Solas is their responsibility after all and I can't really see a new character getting thrown into this whole mess out of the blue.
Yeah, but everything went downhill from ME2. They even got some things wrong because the number of writers had decreased dramatically and they couldn't remember what they had established in the first game.
DA has always been monitored by the same team who created it, more or less, so it has a more refined codex.
It has a few votes from /dag/, who've been shitposted by Zevran, Fenris, Solas lovers into oblivion.
Zevran is MOASTE
>mfw playing human noble womyn
>mfw murdering cuck anora and her shitty uncle
>mfw making myself queen by marrying alistair
It's the only way to play t b h
I agree, she has some nice bants with Dorian about magic, and her voice acting is semi decent desu, it's just the god awful writing
>>Sera is actually fun, especially if you don't like ordinary elves. And you shouldn't
Na man, I approached Sera with a charitable attitude and she still pissed me off. I remember that one side mission she wants to make some drop off and it goes to shit. I tell her afterwards, in a reasonable fashion, that this inquisition stuff is important and to stop with the Mickey Mouse shit, and she was just all REEEE FUCK YOU FASCIST. I was like aight, fuck you too bitch.