>>322783628 For me its more like a game I can jump back into at any time and dick around for a little bit and feel satisfied. That said if you start a new character and don't have anyone boost you to max level to start gear grinding you can get plenty of time out of your first play-through in leveling alone. Then there is different classes to try and builds to try, it really just depends on how much you like to slaughter lots of shit and how the classes play. If you like or can put up with wow's grind you should have some fun with D3, especially for $20.
>>322783628 It's something you can play all day if you're autistic enough like I am to be content with collecting things and looking to get 0.5% increments on sheet DPS every other day (and soon afterwards, every other week).
On one hand, there's a lot about D3 that was bad and is still bad. On the other hand, there's not too many other games which I am willing to play with normie friends (I don't touch FPS and fighter at all now, for example).
Regardless, if you're not going to get ROS, don't bother.
>>322785772 DMO is currently the top of wizard builds, and I believe it was pretty competitive on the leaderboards.
Firebirds is still light shit on fire and run away like a giggling faggot arsonist.
Tals is still convoluted garbage.
Wizards still have a boatload of awful abilities with fucked proc rates because blizz has decided that having 3-4 'passive' skills on your bar is good, and that wizards absolutely need 3 types of shitty armor spells, stupid fucking familiars and a 'magic weapon' buff, in addition to retardedly awful actual passives. Every class needs some work TBQH.
>>322785772 Sort of. Firebird revamp still looks to be the top spec despite the multiple nerfs, and they took the time to buff Tals and Delseres. Also a good number of their defense abilities are finally ratios and not fixed values (no more flat ~12K damage shield on Diamond Skin for example).
Last I noticed, Wiz is right in the thick with DH and Barb, just a touch above Monk and poor WD remains last as always. I haven't seen quantified repercussions of the thorns nerf on Crusader yet.
>>322785869 Don't bother with revisionist history fags there is no winning. I won't lie and say I didn't prefer the way D2 did character building D3 is still a fine game in its own right. That said I would say the difference between the two is that you build your character more around your gear in D3, where as in D2 it was more your gear around your character.
>>322786081 D3 spent a great deal of time cutting out the unfun bullshit of d2 and making the things that were fun more fun.
Combat in d3 is miles ahead of combat in d2.
Sure you build 'sets', but there's plenty of options up until the endgame, and with the one reworked ring set you get +100% damage for every ancient item you've got equipped as long those rings are the only set you've got going, which allows people to dramatically break the mold. One of the top leaderboard performers was a strafe demon hunter that used the ring set and an assortment of ancient items that buffed what they wanted to do.
>>322786391 >D3 is still a fine game in its own right No its not. Needing an expansion to make it worth playing is unacceptable. D3 was a bungled mess that'll never be redeemed no matter how many band-aids they slap on it. RoS was a step in the right direction, but it was too little too late.
>but there's plenty of options up until the endgame, And none of them matter because leveling sucks so bad all there is to do in D3 is endgame
>>322786776 2.3 monk actually ended with shenlong static charge being the top in terms of damage by an ungodly margin. At least when it wasn't fucking bajillionty hp / second heal monks around.
Both got nerfed quite heavily in 2.4, and raiment dashing strike is still the most unfun jittery garbage in existence but blizz won't listen to people who say "THIS IS AWFUL, PLEASE FUCKING CHANGE IT".
There's some diversity with monk sets due to changes to inna's & SWK, but there's still a lot of improvements needed.
Also >Playing yesterday because new season is coming and haven't played since patch 2.1 >The trade chat that I joined have 2 people, one of them being me, the other one is some spam account for some website
Fun game but I don't think it can get more dead than right now.
>>322786913 >Needing an expansion to make it worth playing is unacceptable So fucking unbelievably hypocritical it's not funny.
Did you ever play vanilla diablo 2? That shit was absolute garbage. Skills were awful, elite tier items didn't exist, legendary items were all awful, you had to hope for literally fucking perfectly rolled rare items to even have a chance at the game. Necromancers and sorceresses were fucktastically bad.
Lord of Destruction required a huge amount of patches to even get to a state where classes like sorceress and necro were even semi playable without unbelievable amounts of hacked items.
>>322786391 Was 10000000% correct in calling you a revisionist history faglord.
>>322786913 >Needing an expansion to make it worth playing is unacceptable. >Implying LoD didn't make D2 the game that it was. Just because you are salty over the admittedly shitty launch that was D3 doesn't make a game that is now fun not fun. A majority of the good changes that made the game playable came out pre RoS (torment levels instead of the autism that was Inferno, paragon levels, nixing the RMAH) and it has only been getting progressivly better. >leveling sucks so bad all there is to do in D3 is endgame All D2 was was fucking leveling or while grinding gear. Take off your rose tinted glasses and the dick out your ass for a second and you will see content-wise D2 and D3 are the fucking same. Baal runs ad infinitum or grinding keys for uber tristram is no different than the end-game or level grind of D3, if anything D3 is more varied. Your only real argument is preferring the character development and item economy of D2 which is fair, but don't pretend like the content between the two is fundamentally different.
>>322787415 >judging D3 health by trade chat At least try joining public games or do something that other players actually do in D3.
Also this very moment is the dead point between the end of the last season and the start of the new one. It's going to be no deader than this (until three weeks from now once most everyone is done doing what they want to do with S5).
>>322787750 Seasons = Diablo 2 'ladders' but with better tracking.
At the end of every season, your seasonal characters are converted to non-seasonal characters, your total paragon experience is added together from season & nonseason to figure out new paragons, your seasonal stash gets mailed to you and there's a short period before the new season starts.
Seasons often reward some simple cosmetic shit, some account points and are generally done for the ladder and the fun of 'restarting' from scratch.
This is going to sound trullzy but it's the truth.
Diablo 3 has the best skill system in the history of the genre. In fact it redeems all the rest of the game's flaws and is the only reason the game is worth playing.
But to understand this you must change your approach. You need to treat d3 like it's not an rpg, treat it more like it's an action game, pick some abilities have fun with them, don't worry about having the 'best' set up, once you get bored with that pick different abilities. Try to find uses for the weirder stuff like the ranged barbarian skills.
Don't treat it like it's something where you play one character for 2,000 hours, treat it like an arcade where you play it once beat it. Than start over. Play it on and off rather than devoting an entire summer to it.
If you play it like this than diablo 3 is a great game.
>>322787847 >underage cunt Lol, I'm 29 kiddo, I played diablo 1 when it first came out. I've been on 4chan since it still had guro and loli boards.
>anything is better than 'brawling' No one brawls, everyone realises it's fucking pointless and that diablo is a pve game. At least people have the balls to admit this rather than pretend that pvp is actually interesting or even remotely 'balanceable' like in d2.
But hey, d2 was the holy grail of gaming and had absolutely no flaws at all ever right?
>maybe they'll give you another expansion They've already said they plan on another d3 expansion. And yeah, I'll fucking buy it too, because d3 is a good and fun pve action game.
>>322783192 you might like PoE but seriously, i played in beta and beyond, and i just cant get hooked by it. The visuals are pretty ok but theres something about the combat that is just, stiff.. and whilst the builds are varied and shit you have to be really fucking committed to create something viable and original, and i just cant be fucked with poe And with D3 i have hundreds of hours in it. The game is good to just jump in and melt a few hours away or like 8
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