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Can we all agree that Pikachu saying its name in XY is the main reason why gen 6 sucks?
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>>322763218
no, it because mega evolutions fucked up the meta that gen 4 tried so hard to balance
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>pokemon after gen 2
>good
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>>322763218
>>322763317
>>322763332
>Genwuners
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>>322763218
>XY
>sucks
??
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>>322763407
>Man children
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>>322763218
Battle Frontier
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Pokemon saying their own name is SOOOOOOO triggering. I really hate it, and it completely ruins all immersion and contributes to world building rot in the pokemon franchise.
Seriously. I am triggered.
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>>322763218
>best gen
>sucks

LoL I bet you like red and blue faggot
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>1 pokemon out of 50000 says it's name like the tv show
>REEEEEEE ITS SHIT
go kill yourself
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>>322763664
I agree wholeheartedly.

They should all talk human language like Team Rocket's Meowth.
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There's legit issues with XY and ORAS and while I don't like that Pikachu has its anime cry that's not a legit issue with the games itself.
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At least X/Y is better than the catastrophe that is ORAS.

God damn gen 6 is shit, I hope ZX/ZY will save it.
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Pikachu said its name in Gen 1 and that was the best gen
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>>322763459
pikachu's cry in XY is the ultimate insult against the fans of the original games
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>Pikachu says its name
>Pichu and Raichu do not
>Nor anyone else in the game

I get that Pikachu's "PIKACHU" is widely known and popular, but damn, that's just inconsistent as fuck within the species line.
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>>322763965
>anime only fags
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>>322763916
?
XY is pretty good when you consider they are the first games of the generation
they are a lot better than ruby and sapphore, diamond and pearl and black and white
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>>322763780
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

I mean, there are kinda two different pokemon worlds, or at least pokemon focuses, one that focuses on the human world and one that focuses on the pokemon. The mainline games focuses on the human world, and the pokemon are NOT supposed to speak human language there. No no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!
They should make sounds that sound like animals or other things that fit the pokemon, like many of the modern pokemon do. They should not speak. Absolutely not.
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>>322763317
>making a game fun
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>>322764035
>I get that Pikachu's "PIKACHU" is widely known and popular
are you shitting me now?
pikachu's old in-game cry is a lot more popular than it saying its name
pretty much no one thinks pikachu says "pika pika" other than a few anime fans
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>>322763218
>braindead single player until after the Elite 4
>fun Battle facilities only ever added in 3rd versions, lazily left out of all other games
>biking simulator endgame that hasn't been addressed since Gen fucking 2

if Showdown and hacking didn't exist I would have dropped this shit long ago
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>>322763965

You mean Yellow, not Red/Blue/Green. In the latter, he had a static cry.
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>>322764010

>pokemon historically say there names in all forms of media besides the games
>game does it for one pokemon
>people lose their shit

I don't understand. I started in Gen 1, then didn't really play anymore until X-Y/ORAS, for a bit of a Nostalgia trip. I think it makes sense that he says it.

Gonna pick up those 3DS releases for sure.
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>>322764320
Yes, and yellow was gen 1
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>>322764010
No anon.
Lickilicky, Magmortar, Electivire evolution and Rhyperior are the ultimate insult against the fans of the original games.
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>>322764234

Just because something is popular, doesn't mean the other thing isn't popular either. There ARE people who somehow think the name cries are endearing alongside those who like the original cry too. You can't deny that.
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>>322764219

> two different pokemon worlds

u wut m8
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>>322763407
>babbies
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>>322764478
Those evolutions didn't render the game unplayable like pikachu's cry did
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>>322764103
>XY is better than BW
nice meme
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>>322763916
Nah. ORAS is definitely flawed but I'd say it's still better than XY. But that's mostly because even the original RS is better than XY just because Hoenn isn't an utterly boring region to trek through like Kalos is.

>>322764278
Biking simulator got made infinitely more bearable in XY, you can actually make a full team in a few days unlike every prior gen where you would spend a month straight breeding for only one Pokemon just to have two important stats perfect.

Though for some it's still too much of a timesink, which is understandable.
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>>322764691
but is true, only americans like BW
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>>322764234
>There are people that think someone remembers the audio abortion pokemon cries have always been.
Top lel.
Everyone thinks Pokemon say their own names. And everyone and their grandma knwons.Pikachu says "pika, pika"
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>>322764395

... Which was a remake of those games, except with a lot of its attention being towards being more based on the anime, but not changing its core.
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>>322764103
>and black and white

I hope you're baiting
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>>322764103
They're just as shit.
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It's better than some fucking 8-bit screeching noise.
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No it's because XY is literally the easiest RPG ever made. I know Pokemon games were never that hard but Pokemon Gen 6 were THE EASIEST RPG'S EVER MADE.

I like the Pokemon formula but these games have convinced me to never again buy a Pokemon game unless they add in difficulty settings.
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>>322763218
How the fuck does one thing like that suck? How does that even fucking matter?
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>>322764725
BW weren't that good but XY are contenders for worst Nintendo games ever made.
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>>322763218
If that were really the reason, then gen 1 would suck too.
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With how badly they fucked up Reshiram's cry from going from gen 5 to gen 6.

They would probably fuck up Pikachu's as well.
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>>322764585
I think the newest games take place in a different timeline? But anyway, that wasn't what I meant.

There really aren't two worlds, but there are two majorly different settings that I both respect equally.
One, the trainer setting. It is about humans, and pokemon are their "pets". The world is built around humans. This is the settng in the mainline games, and most other games. The humans and pokemon are separate, there are limited ways to interact with pokemon. You can't hold conversations.

The other setting, or focus, is the one that focuses on the pokemon. Humans are usually irrelevant. All the pokemon speak together, in the same "pokemon language". Focuses on wild pokemon and their societies. This focus is popular in fanfiction and for roleplaying, but for games, the setting or focus is rare, and the only games I have really experienced it is Mystery Dungeon.

These two focuses are relatively compatible, there are also a few other canons that are different from everything else like the TCG, but that's not what I'm talking about.
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>>322765186
literally wrong
gen IV and gen V are the worst
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>>322765047
It's hard for the Gen 6 games to be difficult given how easy they make it for even plebs to build and distribute their own IV monsters.
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>>322765186
HA. No. X and Y were fine games. You can't really hate on games that introduced Tyrantrum and Honedge.
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>>322765186
Imagine actually thinking this. They may be bad, sure, but there's worse.
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Any recent hacks that are good besides blaze black 1/2 from dray
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>>322764478

Lickilicky is great.

Magmortar and Electivire are no more retarded than their respective babies.

Rhyperior is no more retarded than any mega evolution.

Hating the cross-gen evolutions is the ultimate illegitimate complaint.
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>>322765518
I think he did a hack for XY or ORAS? Someone did one like his at least.
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>>322765648
Yeah i saw that bu t i dont have a 3ds and im pretty sure no emulators are up
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>>322765539
Their designs are awful.
Lickilicky was the worst design ever made before gen 5 wannabe digimons were created
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>>322766105

I'll make this easy for you.

Pick out two or three "good" evolution designs. Explain why they're good. Then, explain why Lickilicky doesn't meet those criteria.

You can't.
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>>322763218
I thought it was because they made a historically series somehow even easier to the point where you pretty much walk forward and press A
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>>322766427
>Togetic, MegaMawile, Sylveon
they're cute
>Lickilicky
ugly and fatty, really ugly
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>>322763218

It's that 'ashnime' faggot again, obsessing over something few others giving two shits about.
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>>322766834
All of the "cutesy" normal types are now fairies, while the "ugly" one remains Normal.

Sounds consistent to me.
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Heres to the next game being good.

Worst case scenario:
>200 new useless pokemon
>New 3ds exclusive
>Even easier, pandering to idiots
>Your favourite pokemon doesn't get a mega
>A plot that will never reach Black / White
>Still overcomplicated Meta without pokegen
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PSMD was amazing.
I have hope.
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>>322765281
>gen 4 and 5 being worst despite having Platinum HG/SS, B/W1 and B/W2 aka the only good pokemon games
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>>322767124
>all the cute normal types are now fairies

Nah.
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I don't understand all the hate XY and ORAS get.

Granted that might have to do with me feeling burnt out on the games after gen 4 and not really caring again till I picked up X on a whim.
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>>322767304
>aka the only good pokemon games
aka the only shit pokemon games
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>>322767134
And fuck those PoS linear overworlds, I want to go on an adventure again, the past 3 games have been terrible with this.
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You're probably the same guy who pissed himself about the pokemon trainer trophy in smash aren't you OP
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>>322767754
BW2 Unova was alright, BW1 Unova and Kalos were weak.
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>>322767473
>b&w1 has the best story
>HG/SS, Platinum, and B&W2 have the best post games

if you don't think these are the best games you're probably a genwunner, hoenn baby or a newfag that just started playing
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But he did it in Pokémon Yellow first.
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>>322767963
I've playing pokemon since the first one.
My favorites are 1,2,3 and 6, 5 and 4 are shit.
I feel sorry for you.
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>>322767963
>Looker for the first time.

Too good.
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>>322764010
Why didn't you kill yourself when Yellow came out, you autistic faggot?
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>>322768054
>my favorites are 1,2,3
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>>322764585
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>>322768430
this is the dumbest shit
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Mine is the Trading Card Game, shit was great.
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>>322763218
what the hell did they do to dugtrio's cry in X & Y

It sounds like a drill machine hitting a concrete slab underground, getting stuck 2 times but then breaking through it on the 3rd try all in rapid succession, it sounds so fucking bizarre
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>>322768501
It's true though.
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>>322768501
It's legit though
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>>322768578
>It sounds like a drill machine hitting a concrete slab underground, getting stuck 2 times but then breaking through it on the 3rd try
Well, that's fitting of a dugtrio then.
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>>322768623
That's why it's dumb. Timeline multiverse bullshit is the last thing Pokemon needed.

I'm just going to keep pretending the most recent version of each game retcons the old one.
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>>322766834

So, no legitimate reasons. That's exactly what I figured.
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>>322768430

I'm pretty sure it's very heavily implied (if not outright stated) that RSE takes place at the same time as RBY and DPPt take place at the same time as GSC

can't argue with the rest I guess but this whole thing sounds like fanwank bullshit
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>>322768991
>I'm pretty sure it's very heavily implied (if not outright stated) that RSE takes place at the same time as RBY and DPPt take place at the same time as GSC
That's why they're at the same position as the remakes. HG/SS have a whole extra questline about Sinnoh mythos and FR/LG have links to RSE with the ruby/sapphire quests on the Sevii Islands
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Why is Pokémon the only series where liking the older games is bad? I don't see Mario Galaxy fans hating on SMB3.
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>>322768991
I think there was some hints on Sevii Islands that place FrLg at a slightly different point on the timeline compared to RuSa, but I don't remember the details.
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>>322769218
Because it's the only series to keep the exact same formula, but improving it a little with every new entry, so the new Pokémon game will always be better, on a mechanical level, than the previous one.
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>>322763218
>Pokémon speaking
At this point I don't care, these creatures make no sense and some of them can even read minds. Their vocabulary is the least of my concerns about them.

I'm just a little miffed upon learning that the older designs were influenced by weird shit they saw from our world like Kabuto being based off the Trilobite and stuff like that. Not all the recent ones are uninspired but the majority seems to just be a blend of animal, element and some random quirk. I don't think the designs have to be "mature" or edgy or anything like that, I just feel they lost a sense of eerie mystique.

It's particularly weird because I see the 3 birds who are technically quite simple in their design and concept, yet the enigma behind thunderbird and phoenix has its allure. In comparison we get to the Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz analogs and I just couldn't bring myself to care. Maybe it's just a bias of first time exposure.
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>>322769218
because a lot of the older Pokemon games have very unpolished, easily exploitable mechanics and tend to be very glitchy even if you don't try to do them

meanwhile old mario games have very well polished gameplay and you have to look for the glitches.
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>>322764010
Pikachu is only cancerous because of the favoritism, but that's to be expected. Lucario is probably next to say his name or just start talking all together.
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>>322769218
Non-genwunners are perpetually butthurt that the vast majority of the world cares exclusively about RBY and the original 151, so they double down and act like reverse-hipsters.
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>>322769612
>encounter Lucario
>FEEL MY AURA!
>Fight double battle
>FEEL MY- FEEL MY AURA!
Fund it
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>>322768923
That's still basically what's happening here, they're just trying to give an in-universe explanation, but it doesn't have any different effect from just a normal retcon
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>>322763218
>Can we all agree
As we are all a group of individuals, no, we cannot all agree.
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>>322769218
Basically, when pokemon first came out it was a huge phenomenon, everyone got into it, but not everyone stuck with it. So there ended up being a huge surge of people who have nostalgia for and only care about the first season of the anime and the first two games exclaiming at the top of their lungs that Pokemon died with Gold and Silver and how gen 1 and 2 are the only 2 gens.

Naturally, being the internet, people retaliated with equal obnoxiousness and it spiralled into what we now know as "genwars".
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>>322768623
God Delta episode was such shit.
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>>322769498
Ever hear the term "Shock and Awe becomes less shocking and awful the more it's repeated"?
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>>322764347
It doesn't, those other media built up from the anime.
Pokemon for the most part only make animal noises with jigglypuff, mew, and krabby being notable exceptions.
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>>322769953
>a bunch of normalfags post about Gen 1 nostalgia on Facebook
>spergs sperg out because "CHARIZARD IS BAD BECAUSE STEALTH ROCKS REEEEEEEEE"
huh...
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>>322769953
>Pokemon died with Gold and Silver
>Gen 1 and 2 are the only gens
>Died with gen 2 games
>Gen 2 is the only gen
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>>322765240
A-U-T-I-S-M
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>>322770386
Nigga you're in a Pokemon thread, you'd be hard pressed to find an non-autist.
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>>322763218
anime ruined pokemon just like how it ruins everything else
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>>322770721
Pumpkaboo is cute
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>>322770060
No I haven't heard that, but yeah I definitely get what you mean.
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>>322770097

Not quite.

Like many big franchises, Pokemon's ground rules are laid out by production bibles. TPC sets everything up in a simple single document, which it sends out to everyone that plans to make pokemon-related material. The one exception, of course, is GF. Every gen TPC takes whatever GF threw together and uses it to update the production bible.

You can even track the exact points the bibles changed the anime. The bibles explicitly state that the pokemon world doesn't have normal animals, and those quit showing up early on in the anime.
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>>322770897
Actually the regular animals were animator errors
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>>322771095
Or maybe they were in their to ensure the sushi wasn't Magikarp. Atleast that's my headcanon take on it.
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>>322764234
The Pokemon anime was undoubtedly the franchise's most popular incarnation in the west. Why do you think that most outdated Pokemon parodies done by normal people mention the anime in some way?
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>>322768749
I like how the sound is in increments of 3 instances to match a DugTRIO, but last I checked they were moles and not machinery.
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>>322770897

anybody got those bibles

I know at least one leaked at some point
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>>322771212
>their
Oh god, I'm so sorry.
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>>322764347
From an anime perspective it makes perfect sense to use names since you need to give your VA's some material outside of [Inquisitive Grunt] yes I'm aware there are VA who do animal noises and characters like Ein from Cowboy Bebop and Pen Pen from NGE though that last one is questionable at best, though this is about a series filled with emoting animal characters and ones that require and display sapient to human degrees of expression. That naturally making its way over to the games as voice work becomes more common with evolving sound tech and a growing cast of Pokémon personalities adds up for me.
I get how it can seem a forced appropriation of secondary media for some, I read comics I know that cinematic universe feel, but that's just creative work for you. The longer it goes the more likely it's going to have to evolve to the current standard of expectation.
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>>322768923
Well Celebi could already time travel so what're ya gonna do?
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>Being so spergy to care about stupid shit like what noise a fictional character makes
Also didn't Pikachu say it's name in Yellow?
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>>322772498
Well fuck the main mast and set sale for anal prolapse, you're right Donatello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNV4P3DFPps
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>>322763218
Post some trigger warnings next time
I'm so triggered that I shat myself
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>>322772764
ow my ears.
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>>322772764
>There's a debate in the comment section in 2011 about whether this is fake
Well swim back to shore with a swollen anus and play water polo. The Pokéconspiracy is real.
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>>322773125
Pretty sure that was some old-school trolling. At least i hope.
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Gen 6 is good but the lack of new Pokemon almost killed it for me.

What's even worse is that this is going to be the norm for future generations, adding less than 30 new evolution lines and adding a bunch of meme Megas to compensate.
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>>322774397
>lack of new Pokemon
>lack
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>>322774397
I actually liked that the lack of new mon pushed them to add a shit ton of old ones all across the region. I think Kalos' mon distribution in the wild's my all-time favorite.
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>>322771212
>my headcanon take on it
There's your problem.
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>>322774730
There were only 70, which is a record low. And worst of all they revealed almost all of them before the game released so you couldn't even have the enjoyment of discovering them and saying...what the fuck is that? I-I think I want it though

The killer for me is 3d though. Stiff shitty models and washed out colors
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>>322774397
But that's the best thing they should do. Megas were a mistake but they're here to stay so more pokemon should get them. Adding new ones is just clutter with Megas being such a large focus.
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>>322774993
it's more of a solution than anything.
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