So I did a small tier list based on my own tournament experience,

>>322676719
>This is a personal list
>But I need to share it with you all.

This and this alone is why you fail, and will always fail.

nah just kidding.

>Falco that low
>everything from Atier to D tier being completley random

You are a litteral shitlord OP.

>>322677139
But Falco is not that good bro. Also I think I need to say that I believe that there are not terrible or bad characters, as in everyone is kind of viable in some way or another. This is not Brawl where Metaknight is SSS and Ganondorf is F, this game is a lot tighter than that. There are no BAD characters in Smash 4.

>>322676719
I think Luigi is better than you give him credit for and G&W has his d-throw into side-b which can basically net instant KOs if you are lucky, but the high tiers look mostly good.

>>322676719
>G&W that low
That nigga can so much damage off a down throw and good fucking luck if you're already playing a character that has trouble landing

>>322677535
The problem with G&W is exactly what you said, fortune. It's not exactly reliable when you have 9 options one only one of them can actually kill. It's not something you can really trust.

>>322676719
First of all, what are the Mii rulings you're using?
and it looks like a 1.1.2 tier list if Mewtwo & Bowser are still that low.

>>322678124
Well it's 1.1.3 since Cloud is there, but since I only heard about the buffs but not seem them yet, I put them where I normally saw them. And about the Miis, no customs, only the first moveset they have..

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Here's my list, Miis using MLG rules (guest Miis, full movest) & it's not ordered within tiers because fuck ordering 50+ characters.

>>322678869
>MLG
God I hate that term. It sounds awful after all those joke videos.

>>322676719
>G&W this low

nah

>>322680793
Well do tell me all his goodness then, I want to know.

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>dedede at anywhere below C tier

Come on now

>>322682570
>Awful projectile
>Awful frame data
>Awful mobility
>Worst combo fodder in the entire game
He's pretty shit m8, the only thing he has going for him are his good recovery & survivability.

>>322682570
Come on, be honest. The guy may be fun and a meme, but he is not super good. He may be annoying yes, but he is nothing you cannot deal with.

>>322682942
>Awful projectile
I guess if you never use it for area denial or don't have the reaction speed to catch/reflect them back

>Awful frame data
>Awful mobility
>Worst combo fodder in the entire game

spacing, m8. if you're close enough to be comboed, it's because you've already grabbed/inhaled them.

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>>322682949
>He may be annoying yes, but he is nothing you cannot deal with.

Tell this to every mid tier tryhard I've annihilated

>>322684458
Being a meme character automatically makes you drop a tier.

>>322685238
pls feed me more of your tears

>>322685510
i can beat your christmas duck anytime.

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>>322676719
>tier list
>bowser is too low
Everytime.

>>322676719
OP is a fag

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>>322676719
There, fixed it for you! You're welcome

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>playing against Sheik
>find out the arguably best rushdown character in the game with almost null punish windows also has the best projectile
>Vanish has an ending hitbox and a windbox when landed on the stage to prevent punishment, along with kill potential from a good read
>that Fair range

id welcome exploding pill/side-B improvements and some power restored to Bair in exchange for some adjustments to the above

>>322691468
Shiek is ridiculous, but just enough to not be completely broken.

>>322692525
Needles and Vanish are kinda broken

how the fuck is ike b tier

>>322693523
he hits fucking hard and is less laggy than you'd think.
And dat range.

It's mainly because he's had decent results at tourneys, really.