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Ever wondered how good the different weapons in Monster Hunter are in relation to the player's skill level?

Well, you no longer have to wonder. This chart tells you.
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This chart is a mess and doesn't make any sense.
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>>283789942
Where is the source, how did they gather this information?
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>>283790189
What are you having trouble with?
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>>283790319
Why is there a fucking cat?
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>>283790389
Why not?
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>>283789942
fairly alright, but SnS is the highest dps wep in the game at high skill levels because of bombing. considering that the item use is intrinsic to the weapon type, the chart should reflect that.
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>>283790424
It's not a weapon.
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>>283790474
Neither is the MH4U logo
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>not listing ranged weapons
Why?
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>>283790523
It has a lot of spikes at least.
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>>283790610
No one who doesn't hate himself uses them with how bad the controls are
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>>283790474
Yet...
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this whole chart is probably bullshit but SnS and HH should be much higher at the least

also it doesn't even include ranged weapons
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General GS tips?

Second ever MH game, first in years and years. I tried the IG, DB and Lance but I just can't find anything I like as much as a good ol' badass GS

So general tips? I'm getting a lot better at using dodge rolls to keep combos going/avoid recovery from attacks but I still feel like there's less to it than other weapons.

Also Reaver tree worth it?

Pic somewhat related
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>>283790650
HBG is one of the best weapons in the game.
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>>283790425
Then dual blade should have juice and infa demon mode.
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>>283790613
I would use the chart as a weapon. It appears to be made out of all kinds of different weapons. Looks kinda gay though. Too many primary colors.
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Charge Blade scrubs exposes for what they are

You can do amazingly well with that thing even at low skill
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>>283790650
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>>283790805
you should have your GS sheathed most of the time. unsheathe attack for small openings and unsheathe into a charge for big ones. don't try to evade with your weapon out; block if you cant safely sheathe, until you can. it's easier to play GS solo without any cats because you can predict a monster's movements better and time your charges to hit as it moves to face you and things like that.

>>283790847
its generally assumed that you're using whatever items make you do the best. that doesn't increase DBs power relative to other weapon types considerably much.
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>>283790849
It looks good for tackling someone. One could use it like a net and hope anyone gets stuck in all the colorful appendages, then ambush them and jizz into their face.
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>>283791128
Anon, you don't have to do this. There is so much worth living for
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>>283791203
>thinking the controls for bow and bowguns are bad
Fucking casuals.
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>>283789942
>Lance about average/above average
Pretty cool
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>>283791368
Bows are literally unplayable, all you can do is shotgun the monsters.

The controls are the worst in any video game ever
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>>283791203
You should give it a..SHOT BAHAHAHAHA!
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>>283791537
How does it feel to be so bad at video games
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>>283789942
>this is what CB users actually believe
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>>283791537
You're fucking bad.
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I feel that all weapons should start and end with the same power output at maximum skill, but the they should all have different power outputs throughout the chart. All the weapons in mh4 are balanced pretty well. For example if you are really good with with SnS then you should easily be able to match the output Hammer or GS. Its all in how you play. Did OP take into account that you can use items while unsheathed with SnS? With that you would able to use flash/sonic bombs to stun lock the monster while outputting a really good DPS with barrel bombs and regular attacking. The DB also has Demon and Archdemon mode. If you know how the monster attacks/moves and you have evade+ or evade extender then you will almost never have a time where you arent attacking the monster. These are just 2 examples, but Im sure everybody has ways to make their favorite weapon really good. OPs pic is trash.
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I just got into this series with 4U. Is the gunlance really that bad?
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>>283791871
As you can see it's not bad, it just takes a lot of skill to make it work. Not the most noob friendly weapon, so keep training.
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>>283791871

no weapon is bad
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>>283791128
my ranged nigga
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>>283791128
>>283793278
Why not just take a screenshot?
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>>283790650
Get a load of this casual.

Not that I didn't immediately know what a retard you are considering you have dual blades listed as weak when demon mode is strong af
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>>283793720
Fuck that miiverse bullshit
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That chart don't make really any sense
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>>283789942
>no ranged weapons
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To: All Bowgun users

Is that shit viable when you're soloing a hunt?

I personally use bows, but I can't really wrap my head around bowguns, ESPECIALLY heavy.
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>>283793720
Also old 3ds can't into screenshots
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>>283791537

git fucking gud
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>>283796891
No thanks, I would rather play one of the other 1931825156135 video games that do bow combat right
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>>283789942
Does MH4 have good LATEGAME Dual swords?
MH3 had great variety of good swords before G-rank
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>>283797023
Of course

Any weapon is usable, the differences in the chart are negligible for the most part
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>>283795047
Yep. I mean. With cats I can use HBG in any monsters

Now, just by myself, without any cat.. Just with the light bowgun
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>>283797074
Are the guns easier to use than the bow?
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>>283790474

A cat is fine too
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>>283790474
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>>283797276
If you get the hang of the weapon you play, they will of course be easier than the others.
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>>283789942
>GS
>Not the highest power
I WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS.
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>do the ziongre rathalos quest for cook
>get a plate for each monster
>dont even want them
>do the s. magala quest
>get a plate at first carve
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>>283798451
You owe the RNG god, you know that, right?

One day he will ask the ultimate price of you
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What is a gunlance? Sounds fun.
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>>283798526
It's a lance. With a gun.

You can both poke/slam into enemies and shoot them with various shells
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>>283790805
Learn the monster pattern and charge it up NIGGA.
Learn to GOTCHABITCH and don't be afraid of blocking.
>>283798451
I hope you enjoy grinding that one item you need because the RNG god is not going to be as merciful next time.
>>283798526
A lance that has a gun.
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>bring cold drinks instead of hot drinks to the double khezu quest

What am I doing with my life.
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okay, so ive been playing the MH series since PS2 and im wondering if someone can help me out. HOW THE FUCK DO I PLAY THE PALICO MINI HUNTING GAME? There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, using the skill the color is weak too still ends up with my cats being k.o.ed
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>>283799937
Hold R to make it faster

Pick the color that beats the monster's color

That's it.
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> no HBG
> SnS that low

shit/10
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>>283800118
SnS is only good for bombing, applying status and using horns
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>>283798378
gs surprisingly isn't that strong anymore
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>>283800865
No, my fav weapon can't be nerfed....
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>>283801160
it got buffed but it can't compete with fotg weapons
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>>283801160
GS is fucking great but CB is broken
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>>283800865
damage wise yes, but the new combo changes everything
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>>283796946
Are you from the future? Because there aren't that many video games.
Enjoy my dank memes.
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>try to gs khezu
>always get hit by that lightning shit

monoblos, gore, etc was fucking easy as shit why is khezu still hard for me
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>>283789942
>Hammer
>Easy to master

Nigga, fucking Lance just turtles and poke. That is the easiest weapon to use.

You at least have to care about the enemy movement patterns with the Hammer.

8/10 for getting me to reply.
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Oh please, I was trolling MHfaggots with charts like this back in 2008. And 2010. And 2013.
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>>283801658
>Nigga, fucking Lance just turtles and poke. That is the easiest weapon to use.


Please come back when you know what you are talking about you fucking shitter. No good lance player would ever turtle/guard
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>>283801876
It worked wonders against Tigrex back in MHFU if you were willing the pay the Dash juice.

Still, the Gunlance was always better at turtling.
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>don't paintball monster
>it becomes invisible and is to be found nowhere at all

It's like this electron double slit experiment. Only when you observe the monster with a paintball do they behave normally.
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>CB
>SA
>LS
>SnS
>DB
>requiring any skill whatsoever

All of these are literal button mashers and you contribute absolutely nothing to a team by using them.
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>>283802029
LS requires quite some skill if you want to make good use of it.

Not that you would know.
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How strong is the new DS attack? Is it a better opener than X-X because as a distance closer it kind of stinks.
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>>283801852

if you ever have to use normal 1 with a bowgun you are probably doing something very wrong
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>>283801852

If you manage to run out of whetstones during a single hunt, you're seriously doing something wrong.
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>>283801876
I'm not talking Skill CEILING. I'm talking Skill FLOOR.

Anybody can pick up Lance/Gunlance and just turtle for 45 minutes and win.

Most people starting out with dodge only weapon will at least die a few times in a new fight their first game.
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>>283802152
>>283802292
Sometimes you simply have to solo clashing fists.
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>>283802008
>use velocidrome armor
>never wanna give it up because of psychic

currently farming a ton of mats for psychoserum for those moments of invisible monster, but damn i love 15 psychic it's so stress free
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>>283802334
Wow it's almost as if the lance curve goes up high in the beginning of the chart to match what you said!
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>>283802456
Can you read? The dodge only Hammer has the highest Skill Floor.
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>>283802568
Because that's how it is. Hammer is THE weapon for people who are bad/new at the game but who want to perform good still.

Unlike lance turtlers they're also not gonna take 45 minutes to kill a monster
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So I have been trying to get gore' s plate for a bit and I cant seem to get his plate. I'm using his CB which is one of the few weapons you don't need his plate to make and I can kill or cap him in just under 7 min, a little bit faster if i dont cut the tail. I'm just wondering how the online experience in this game is so far. Are teams all full f shitters that'll make gore harder to kill or do they work fairly decently for grinding monsters. I've been pretty much avoiding online so far cuz i find solo more fun right now, but if I can get gores plate faster online i'll just do that cuz I wanna start crafting some of his other weapons like his GS.
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>>283802436
>farming a ton of mats for psychoserum
You can't buy it anymore?
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>>283802891
I got a gore plate on my very first carve and I don't even really want it right now.

I'm only telling you because I dislike CB scrubs who use OP weapons, suck it
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>>283802684
What? Hammer users have to care about monster patterns.

Lance/Gunlance users don't. You're full of crap.
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If your goal was to kill monsters and not take like 12 hours why would anyone ever play lance? Why would anyone enjoy lance gameplay? You only have tiny damage pokes coupled with the least mobility and range but in return you gain a distance closer, triple hopping and guard. If I didn't know any better it just seems like you're only punishing yourself. Help me understand and answer this question, lancebros.
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>>283802891

I killed Gore five times last night in a public lobby with some relatively decent randos., and then even captured one without a hitch.

I did not get a single plate.
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Hammer is still best weapon. No doubt about it. Love killing Uragaans with it, it's so easy.
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Have you guys ever dismissed a palico?

You get a cutscene if you do.
It shows him alone in a dark room with a solitary spotlight on him, he whimpers a little bit and dejectedly walks over to a rocket, asks if you're really "letting him go," and then he starts bawling in front of you.
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>>283803263
luckily i haven't filled my palico nest with 30 palicos yet so I don't have to make such a horrifying decision.
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>>283803143

>Lance
>No mobility

Someone has never seen SANIC speed lancers zooming across levels and then jumping to perform aerial attacks/mounts from anywhere in the area.

It also has the fastest dodge in the game, and can even use it to cancel out of combo cooldown to instantly start another string of pokes. You can unleash a barrage of strong attacks faster than most other classes, specifically pinpointing parts you want to break even, and back dat ass up into safety with a triple back hop.

Combined with the shield, there's not much most monsters can do about it.
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>>283803586
That makes me wonder, do you ever walk as a lancer? How often do you find yourself walking? Do you need to sheathe your weapon often or is it one of those where it's better to have it out more often than not?
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>>283803263
thats practically the same thing when you dismiss your cat back in mh2

theres also a cute cutscene where he comes running back at you when you decide to not dismiss him at the final prompt
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>The strongest weapons are the ones with the highest skill ceiling

LOGIC

You newfags disgust me. You haven't seen impressive shit until you've seen some Jap solo a G-rank Ivory in 4 minutes with SnS, or Sticky Situation in 8 minutes with a hunting horn.
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>>283797023
>implying DS aren't the strongest weapon
>implying this chart is bullshit
>implying charge blade shouldn't just be a straight line starting at the top
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>>283803143

>tiny damage pokes

Those tiny damage pokes are actually modestly high considering the speed at which you can perform them if you know how to properly take advantage of evade cancelling.
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>>283791128
>153
wow it's fucking nothing
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>>283803724

The only time I sheath my lance is when I need to heal or climb.

To close space between myself and the monster, I either charge, sheild dash, or turn around and do triple backhops.

There's a lot of movement techniques you need to get down before you can be effect with the lance. Any scrub can turtle and SLOWLY make their way to the monster. A good Lancer will take advantage of their surprising amount of mobility and make an evade build.
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>need three wyvern claws to upgrade my GS
>can't even get a single one

ffs and this is only like a rarity 2 weapon still
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>>283790805
>keep combos going
stop
Sheathe and strike
Sheathe and strike
Sheathe and strike
Charge on openings
Comboing with GS is for fucking loser babies who don't want to be useful.
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>>283798526

A good way to piss your friends off online unless you want to play it as a not-as-damaging lance.
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>>283804106
You realize doing a crouching charge combos into the superswing and that's 115% + 110%?

One normal lvl 3 charge is only a single 110%
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>>283804291
You understand the difference between "using dodge rolls to keep combos going" and doing multiple charges on an opening, right?
Nobody who seriously says "combo" with the GS actually means the thing you're supposed to be doing.
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>Hate fighting rathalos so I only do him when I need to
>drowning in rathalos plates
>Love fighting rathian
>0 plates and twice as many kills

Ayyy. Every fucking time. I have like 20 rathalos mantles in 3U and I'm lucky if I have 1 rathian one.
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>Finally have blue sharpness on a Switch Axe

I don't even care about the -15 affinity
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>>283803263
w-why would they make it so hard? why can't it just show them retiring to a nice island?
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>>283804705
They already live on a nice island, you're banishing them to the wild.
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I play MHFU and the SnS is pretty great, I've used gunlances and lances before but found SnS to be nice because of mobility. Why is it considered such a low skill cap whenever you can destroy monsters if your god tier at position and can continue an infinite roll combo
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>>283804968
Tierfags are dumb and every weapon is viable in MH. They see speed run videos of GS and then conclude that every weapon is shit because of it, when in reality when you're playing online with 3 buddies nobody is speed running shit and you're all just having fun using whatever you want.
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>>283805268
>tfw no 3 buddies to play monster hunter with

solo lyfe

gangster lyfe
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>>283804625

I'm with you man, I don't have your RNG problem but Rathalos just isn't fun to fight.
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Guys, how do I become a master hunting machine using the SnS and not just be a fag with little range?
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>>283807161
stop trying to aim for muh raw damage weapons and start using weapons that apply statuses like poison if you wanna be a lazy damagefag or sleep if you wanna be a faggy barrelfag
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>>283806027
>tfw buying mhf1 and 2 in the past for psp
>tfw showed it to a friend and he liked it
>tfw 3rd friends joins in later on
>get hands on unite demo umd's
>hours on that alone
>literally over 300 hours in unite with my friends
and now mh4u

3 man party all day every day.
truly this is the greatest form of bliss one could expirience in life.
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How do I into bugstick?
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>>283789942
>implying CB is any hard to use at all
Even when you're fucking up, the thing still is OP as hell
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>>283807968
I sure wish I had monster hunter friends. Anyone I try to get to play always complain that it's "clunky and difficult".
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>>283808159
The way I see it, it's just obtaining phials, charge you shield, obtain more phials, load them into the axe, wail on the monster, and then blast it once it's open. I don't get the same satisfaction that I do from bashing skulls.
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>>283808159
I don't think you understood the chart _at all_
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>>283808184
My friends would like to play the game, but they don't want to play it on a 3DS, or any console, because they are a bunch of PC only elitists.
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>Need a Jumbo Bone for HBG
>Hunting Tetsucabra all morning and still nothing
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>>283790805
Who is this girl?
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>>283808795
Aren't jumbo bones off bear-types like lagombi?
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>>283808795
Hunt Kecha Wacha, they have a really high drop rate for Jumbo Bones, at least in my experience
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>>283808795
At least you can make that sick ass looking Tetsucabra armor set, with matching GRORIOUS NIPPON STEEL katana
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>hunt a gypceros
>do so, kill him
>quest failed

ok? I'm pretty sure it just said hunt
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>tfw kicking monsters asses with charge blade
>fast kills, knocking out of the air, and stuns errywhere
>and then I learn about super cancels and the ultra charge attack

aww yeah boi
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>>283789942

Your chart doesnt make any sense.
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>>283809198
stop being an edgelord and learn to pay attention you piece of shit

not everyone wants monsters dead, some sick fucks like scholars and prostitution rings want them alive
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>>283809279
Point out why
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>>283809332
>prostitution rings
I laughed way harder than I should
just imagining a kut-ku in hooker clothing is great

>>283808184
hey at least now you can play online so you can find friends though the net or maybe even here
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>>283809332
>prostitution rings
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>>283809341

All weapons seem to require the same level of skill for example.

Its better if you dont use lines, it makes no sense.
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>>283809719
You're missing the point of the chart.
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>>283809815

Yep i think i just noticed what you tried to do, its still dumb as fuck.
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Is Charge Blade really that overpowered?
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>>283803178
Could be worse, a friend of mine was hunting the Gore for 11 hours and didn't get a plate until I helped him out.
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>>283793278
>>283791128

You niggas are my niggas.
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>>283805268
Every weapon is viable but no developer is perfect at balancing.
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>>283789942

Sword and Shield and DB are the easiest weapons to start with BY FAR, they should have the highest peaks at low skill and then only steadily increase while slow but powerful weapons like GS and Hammer should start low and then steadily increase. Hammer's line is completely retarded

chart is retarded and obviously made by hammer faggot
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>>283808931

Nah, Tetsu drops them too.
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>>283790650
You're already playing MH to begin with, you can't really complain about bad controls.
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So do you guys switch around what weapon type you use based on the monster you're fighting, or do you tend to stick with one weapon type most of the time? It seems like a pain in the ass to try out a new weapon because you have to keep upgrading the weapon so it matches your main weapon, and then watch another 15 minute weapon tutorial on Youtube and spend time practicing with it so you're not garbage with it.
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>>283810205
Yet another retard who doesn't understand anything

Why are so many of you on /v/ today?
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>>283810334
>stop criticizing muh graph
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>>283810318
If you don't learn at least half the weapons or more you're doing it wrong.

This game is all about killing monsters and getting loot.
You're no real MH player if you aren't upgrading like 5+ weapons at the same time
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>>283810318
I have a rotation of like 4.
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>>283810205
>Hammer spikes at low skill levels
>Meaning you don't need to have high skill to do good damage
>Obviously made by hammer faggot
You're so dumb
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>>283810490
You can't criticize it if you don't understand it to begin with buddy
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>>283789942
In other news, every weapon is still viable and fills its own niche.

This chart is somewhat outdated since it applies to 3 Ultimate, but it's still mostly accurate.
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>>283810205
>DB easy to start with

Dude no
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>>283810678
I just wish they hadn't made so many branches useless.

All the status greatswords or elemental/status hammers for example.

Who will use them outside of hipsters?
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>did MonHunTri for a while
>lost interest
>MonHun4 out
>has a fucking glaive
>and a fucking bug that buffs you after attacking monsters
>my favorite type of weapon mixed with the closest this series would get to offensive magic

Shiiiiiieeeet. I need to hook myself up with this. Is this shit available through club nintendo? If not, can I trade in Tri and get some money out of it?
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>>283810318

If you use only 1 weapon you are missing a lot of the game.

I mostly use Lance > Greatsword > Hammer

I switch when i feel like playing something else or sometimes also depending on the monster im hunting.
Sometimes i just decide to play a random weapon its fun.
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>>283810678
>Very simple, good for beginners on GS
Sure it's simple but to say the fucking thing is good for beginners is just straight dumb.
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>>283810780
Nigga have you never played with a bro using the Paralykeet hammer? That thing is godly

Or Sleep GS, because it serves its own purpose perfectly, plus you can get allies to just bomb with you
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>>283810607

at low skill levels players suck and can't connect hits for shit so slow shit like hammer and GS have low damage because you miss half the time or get your attack animation interrupted
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>>283810887
>Or Sleep GS, because it serves its own purpose perfectly

What purpose is that exactly other than being worse than any other GS and any other weapon with sleep on it?
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>>283810623
I'm not your buddy, faggot.
Your chart is shit, and I wasn't that anon, just calling you out on your baby-brand tears.
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>>283810994
Putting the enemy to sleep a few times with a GS means free boosted level 3s. Obviously no it's not a 10/10 weapon but it's worth fucking around with in a group.
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>>283810780
Haven't played since 3G (my 4U is still in the mail) but I remember that my Rathalos Hammer destroyed niggas like it was nobody's business.
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>>283810919
Point out at what part of the graph is it referring to players that miss all the fucking time.
Because if you're not a fucking idiot who can't read it's going to be the first centimeter of the X axis.
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>>283810887
>sleep GS
That's like Raw SnS/LBG
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>>283804220
Shelling your friends is a great way to wake them up from sleep or stun.
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>>283811123
Rath hammer has one of the highest raws out of all hammers in 3U
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Why do low raw high element GS exist? IS there any case where they'd be preferable?

I'm about to make the khezu GS so stop me now if it's a bad idea
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>>283810780
People who can't be botheree to look up values on Kiranico/Athena's ASS. I mean, there were tons of people in 3U already that used other hammers than Grongigas.
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>>283811278
Only if they outDPS comparable Raw weapons. No idea how to calculate that though.
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>>283811280
I was one of them. And I will do it again, despite using those sites and programs.

I don't care. I'm not gonna use the mathematically best weapon, I'll use a weapon I like the look of and that's kind of okay.

If it's an ice hammer with slightly less raw? Eh, I'll take it. I'll also take an elemental GS.
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>>283811278
They're only good in cases where a monster is extremely vulnerable to a given element.
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>>283810809
I dont get that mentality, I've mained HH since its inception and haven't felt the need to change out since then.
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Ledges are super abusable with GS in 4U

Even if you're not gonna mount the monster, you can do the superslam right after the landing attack which is quite nice
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>>283811648
You never bothered cutting tails?
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>>283811648
using one single weapon throughout natural game progression is probably the most ideal way to do it, you really get a sense of ownership over your weapon, but once you're at the top of G-rank and have no more reason to really do much of anything, if you don't branch out and use a little of everything, you're missing out in a huge way since MH changes vastly depending on your weapon

In 3U I literally had a good or great set for every weapon that wasn't like LBG or LS and it was the most enjoyable shit I've ever done in MH
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>>283811424
As long as you don't join grind/speedkill lobbies that's cool
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>>283811907
Yeah same here, I had a shitload of weapons and sets.

I frequently swapped out while helping others online, often even using the not so powerful stuff just because I could
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Is charge blade actually any good? I haven't gotten the game yet, but it looks interesting and I always dig trying out new weapon types.
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>>283811847
I thought HH could cut tails with that one poke that deals slash damage
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>>283812009
What's wrong with grinding monsters online with weapons other than the one ideal one?

Do you want everyone to be a clone?
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>>283810678
This needs an update with the new weapons.
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>>283812112
You're gonna need a lot of boomerangs to make that viable.
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>>283811847
No, I got addicted to the way HH works and how you feel as a member of a group. The closest I got to wanting to change weapons was using the bow in the 4U demo but I never could figure out how to git gud with ranged to begin with, just didn't click with me.
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>>283812308
It's not that good though.

It says new players will do best with GS when that is just not true. Both Hammer and CB are easier and will produce better results at lower skill levels and for people with less monster knowledge.
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>>283812068
It's fun and somewhat easy to use, and does crazy damage.
I've used GS in every MH game I've played and just by toying around with CB I can destroy my records.
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>>283812068
I picked it and im loving it, im taking down monsters so fast and breaking shit left and right.
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>>283812068
It's too good.

I'm not even great with CB and I'm getting best kill times with it over weapons I spent years with.

Hate that "new shit has to be OP" thing
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>>283812068
It can do everything, it's like a jack of all trades. Except it's also really good at doing everything. The biggest downside is that lots of people use it so you'll feel bad if you're a hipster.
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>>283812162
No, I don't want kill times to be slowed down by special snowflakes. I lost track of the times I had to restart Abyssal Lagia HBG hunts because some clown would rather bring shit equipment than invest 10 minutes into a good weapon that makes the hunt more enjoyable for everybody involved.
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>>283812426
wish i would have known that when i started MH3U, because i went GS at start and only just started experimenting with other weapons.
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>>283812692
>shit equipment

So anything other than the proven best weapon for the given monster is now shit?

Alright. You sound like a douche anyway so I doubt I'd play with you.
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>>283789942
>Monster Hunter weapons as seen by someone who has never played Monster Hunter
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>>283812563
>Hate that "new shit has to be OP" thing
CB was probably the worst weapon in 4, so it's understandable why they did a lot to try and bring it up.
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>>283807968
Ay me and my brother actually play to gether all the time.
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>>283810678
>Switchaxe Axe/Sword mode: only B/A damage
>HBG: only A damage
>implying LS does more damage than DB
Jesus Christ did that person actually play MH3U before
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>>283812803
HR monster hunts have always been and always will be like endgame WoW raids in that there is a group of players that will refuse to play with you unless you have the absolute best gear available. And as always, they're obnoxious morons.

Just play the game however you want - the vast majority won't give a shit if you don't bring a fully optimized build.
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>>283812946
Was it? I didn't play 4
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>>283812803
If you need to grind for unenjoyable endgame shit with with 1-2% droprates - yes. If you actually hunted Abyssal Lagia, you would have enjoyed it if hunts lasted only half as long because people are efficient.
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>>283813062
Yeah, it didn't have the shield charging mechanic and the damage suffered heavily due to it.
It was cool and flashy but it just didn't do enough damage.
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>>283812692
You sound like an asshole
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>>283789942
This actually has me thinking...

In the time before firearms when enemies battled with swords... what if someone invented a huge log that would be pushed into the enemy line and just smash people or make them fall.

It seems like it would be so effective.

I've made an illustration of it.
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>>283813293
>half as long

That's BS. The difference between the top weapon and other viable choices would never be that big.

Now I understand not bringing shit like a low raw sleep GS, but you made it sound as if everyone has to look like a clone by bringing the absolute best gear.
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>>283813359
You sound new
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>>283813439
How about I push my huge log into you, smash your prostate and make you fall for me?
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>>283789942
So you're recommending the hammer to players that are new since it's easy to use?

who cares about power curve? try all the options and find out which is most fun

Personally I hate my movement being restricted during long attack animations, which really turns me off to MH as a series, darksouls, etc.
I still think they're good games
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>>283813631
Hammer is a decent choice for new players who want to have good results even at low skill, yes.

I'm not saying new players should play it. They should play whatever the fuck they find fun. That's the most important thing. Only if you enjoy your weapon you'll be willing to get good with it and put a lot of time into the game.
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All I know is lance, gunlance, and HBG. Teach me of new weapons, what should I choose to use in 4u?
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>>283813967
Keep using lance.
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>>283813967
Why not keep doing the weapon tutorial 1* quests?

You always start with a set of equip so it's nice for comparison reasons, then you fight a G. Jaggi.

You can get a feel for them and see your kill times to get an idea of what you do well with. Hell I did every weapon tutorial like 2-3 times just to test out stuff.
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>>283813439
that is so dumb but i cant stop laughing
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>>283798451
>need 2 tails for gore megala weapon
>cut tail off a dozen times last night
>get 0(zero) tails upon carving the tail
>look up carve rates for the tail
>63%
>mfw
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Does the hunting horn do decent damage, or is it purely a support weapon? I want to play a motherfucking bard hunter who's constantly buffing allies, but I also want to be useful outside of singing the song of my people.
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>quest to capture gypceros
>quest gives me an ez shock trap
>doesn't work on him because he's obviously lightning resistant or something

well.. now what
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>>283814604
It's useful as long as you don't fuck up all the time. It demands some level of skill and timing. In terms of how easy it is to deal damage, hammer has it a bit better, but hunting horn has the advantage of reach.

A good hammer user would probably kill a monster 30sec to a minute faster than a good HH user.
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>>283814604
HH is retardo strong if you can land its awkward and long-ass hits consistently
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>>283814707
Build a pitfall trap, you lazy cunt.

>>283814803
>>283814775
Cool, thanks.
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>>283793909
>Makes fun of the controls
>Instantly LOL CASUAL

And this is why I hate the monhun community, not even him but everyone that acts like you is a faggot and why this series has fallen flat on its face as far as NOT being a rehash.
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>>283814910
I didn't bring trap tools, I'd expect the quest to give me the right trap to do the job at least.. especially at such early levels
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>>283814938
Monhan is a worse offender than cowdaduddey when it comes to rehashing. They literally change 1-2 things, and just pack in more monsters/subspecies that you can hunt while artificially tweaking difficulty.

But the game design at its core is so good it doesn't even matter. Stay mad, casual.
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>>283814604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIcnD8MXrTY
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>>283815165
It would be cool if they at least rehashed EVERYTHING.

Why do we have to have ONLY water, or ONLY climbing, why can't we still have a BIT of water? At least 1-2 fights.

Why can't we still have monsters like Barioth, Barroth and Nargacuga. Is the 3DS cart not big enough to fit the data or what is the issue?
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>>283814604
It falls behind hammer, but not by too much if you're skilled. In multiplayer, HH contributes more damage through buffs alone. Attack Up L in particular gives a 20% damage boost to each person. That's nearly enough extra damage to make up another player.
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>>283790474
>>283790389
>>283790189
What an autist
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>>283815284
Water combat is shit and a poorly implemented feature. Land combat is and always will be the best monster hunter combat type.

As for adding the other monsters, that's probably it. Considering they made the textures so shitty for the 3ds, it probably really is a space issue.

I don't understand why though. If tiny ass 128 microSDs exist, why are game carts still so limited in size?
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>>283814707
He's made of rubber.
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>>283815284
>Water adds a new layer of movement but severely limits the player's mobility in both movement and attacks
>Climbing adds a new layer of movement and serves to make the player more mobile with a larger diversity of attacks and options
That's why. Water's cons severely outweighed its pros, whereas the new focus on climbing and more vertical level design in general did nothing but add to the existing system.
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>>283815670
Water combat could have been good, they just kinda fucked it up.

There's really only so much they can do with the control scheme, but the up/down dodge mechanic was good. Make it go a bit further I think so you can actually dodge shit in that direction while the left/right is more for repositioning.

Make swimming take way, WAY less stamina, especially when you're in eyesight of the enemy and swimming away. That shit was seriously so sluggish, if you need to really feel it trying swimming away from Ceadeus without having both Felyne Escaper and Swimmer active.

Weapons also need to be a bit sped up, or some underwater movesets overhauled on certain weapons to not gimp them so hard (SnS, DS seriously suffer from their lack of range underwater).

The oxygen gauge isn't much of a problem at all, but it's enough of an inconvenience and the timer is already so enormous on it that they may as well remove it altogether in favour of some "hey hunter we made this breathing apparatus" for you storyline shit.

Maybe just basically add a faster and more controllable way to position yourself underwater, allowing hunters to actually fight in way more dimensions than just a horizontal plain.
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>>283815670
>People hated water combat.

News to me. Lagiacrus was way more fun to fight underwater than on land. The Ceadeus fight was also a great setpiece hunt.

Jhen Moran is still GOAT though, if only because it was so different. Still mad they didn't bring him back for 4U.
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>>283815670
The textures are like that so the game doesn't run like even bigger shit. They're significantly better on the n3DS.
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>>283816351
>Jhen Moran is still GOAT though, if only because it was so different. Still mad they didn't bring him back for 4U.
Jhen was neat as shit. waiting for my copy in the mail to come tomorrow. Is there any big ass monsters like him?
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>>283816351
>Still mad they didn't bring him back for 4U.
Isn't Dahren the same thing but more of an asshole?
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>>283816294
I agree on all points.

>>283816351
>Lagiacrus was way more fun to fight underwater than on land
Probably because he was designed to primarily be an underwater encounter and didn't do much on land.
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>>283816351
But Dah'ren Mohran is pretty much the same thing, and it's still fun as fuck. Plus that glorious music still plays. What's not to enjoy?
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>>283816645
>>283816739

Beautiful. I'm actually still waiting for the game to arrive and know fuck all about it, I just looked up the monsters and didn't see Jhen. So fucking hyped to hunt this guy.
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is high rank verlicidrone armor good for early high rank? seems easy to farm and my current armor is already shit
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>>283816560
There's Daren Moran now, which is just a jewish reskin of Jhen with like 1 new mechanic.
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>>283810318
I use 1-3 weapons until I get to the end of the game then branch out and use all weapons.
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Reminder to often visit your sunsnug isle to fish with your catbros and send them out on hunts
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>>283810318
>and then watch another 15 minute weapon tutorial on Youtube and spend time practicing with it so you're not garbage with it.
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>>283817708
You can send them on hunts via the cat in your house, but you don't get to play the minigame.
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>>283810318
I just use weapons. If I get parts from a hunt that I can build into a neat weapon of another type, I'll do it and take that one out. Come endgame I normally have a variety of weapons for various monsters that run the gambit of type. It helps keep the game fresh to keep mixing it up.

Also fuck tutorials. I just use a weapon and eventually I've used it enough that I'm not shit at it any more. I went from useless to MVP with the hammer by just taking it out whenever somebody else in the group had a LS/GS.
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>>283817872
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT DISAPPEARING GATHERING POINTS WERE A GOOD IDEA
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I only tried the tutorial so far, but what the fuck are you supposed to do with the Insect Glaive? I was just a mess in the tutorial, couldn't get my bug to reliably grab juice from the monster (when can you do it? Always? Only when they're stunned?) and I ended up just jumping on top of the Great Jaggi to beat the shit out of him.

Also, are the growth nectars permanent? So can you fuck up your lategame insect glaive by feeding the wrong nectars earlygame? How viable is it to keep multiple glaives up to date?
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>>283810807
No it's not, and I doubt it considering Tri is worth like 5 dollars.
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>charts by CB exclusives and other interesting images

Come on son, Lance, GS, SnS, Bow reign supreme. In order of descending skill ceiling.

CB and IG are LS 3.0 for their userbase, Swaxe was and is 2.0. LS is still the trip sword, but most CB's are noobs, and IG think they're good for managing to initiate (but never successfully execute) a mount.

Counting the effectiveness buffs from this gen for a lot of weapons, a lot of your assumptions for these weapons are wrong,
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I want to get into charge blade since i was pretty handy with a switch axe back in 3u, but i feel like i can't control where i want to hit on a monster. Any suggestions? I know everyone's quick to judge charge blade users but some help would be appreciated.
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>>283818439
from what I've seen (I'm fairly early into the game), various nectars can increase / decrease the stats so it doesn't really fuck you I guess.

about how you're supposed to use it, give yourself buffs by shooting the insect into the right part of the enemy (it takes a bit to get used to it), call it back (for real powerful boosts you have to get red and white buffs together or, possibly, all of them at once) and then wreck shit
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>>283819896
Yet another idiot that doesn't understand the fucking chart.
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>>283818439
You can shoot the kinsect out on command like a dart(or through lock on I think too)
Depending on what part of the monster it lands on, it gives you a different buff(red/white/orange)

Red is highest priority, as it increases damage, so you want it as much as possible.

Each buff lasts ~60 seconds iirc, but if you have a white/red active, and then you activate an orange one, it will reset the timer so you get another 60 seconds of red/white/orange.
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guys, I've only been using Insect Glaive so far and I want to give some other weapon a try. Even if I will probably still use this as my primary, I want some variety.

What do you suggest me to use?

It doesn't have to be the strongest weapon, just to clarify
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>>283820573
Seriously just go through all the weapons and try them.
Pick others that you like.
We can't decide what you'll like for you.
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>>283820573
Switch Axe.

Always Switch Axe.
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>>283807968

>lose touch with steam friend for like over a year
>barely if ever say anything to each other
>i decide to start my music player through steam as MH4U
>suddenly he goes nuts about MH
>we play together, have shitloads of fun
>almost every day now we've played for hours on end together with our group of hunters

monster hunter rekindles friendships

based game
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>>283820691
it's not about deciding what I'll like, it's about suggesting me what you think I should try out based on your experiences and opinions
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>>283820403
Can you get multiple buffs loaded up on your beetle before calling it back?
What does simply pressing R do? I shot out a small ball, does it have anything to do with your insect or is it simply a ranged attack for minor damage?
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>>283820825
No, it's about what you'll like, there's a shit load of trial quests in 1*, do those.

See if you're a shitter or not.
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>>283812426
>
Except it is true. GS is the objectively easiest weapon to use.

It requires one button. The charge button. You run around and do a charge attack when you get an opening, then run around again.
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>>283820853
that ball is the kinsect. You can shoot it directly where you're aiming
And no I don't think you can load up multiple on the beetle, but I could totally be wrong, I've only used the staff like twice, that's just something you'll have to try out.
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>>283820853
nope, can't have more than one, at least I don't think so. Pressing R lets you, to put it simply, shoot a marker, and if it hits an enemy somewhere (let's say, the head) and you call your insect out it will go and try to hit that spot
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>>283820573
do the 1* tutorial quests you mong. try them out.
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>>283821093
Aha, that explains a lot. Thanks, going to try the glaive some more soon to pick it up as an alternate weapon.
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>>283802436
Haha, I always wondered how good I was at the game because I did fairly well despite always using that skill over better skills/armor.
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>>283812692
So you want to get carried then? Because thats exactly what you're saying, you want 3 others to carry you.
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>>283820919
>>283821152
fair enough I totally forgot about them to be honest, sorry
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>>283821219
I'm not that guy, and he was being a bit of a douche about it, but that's not what he's saying at all and you're just being obtuse if you think that.
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>>283821194
just remember, even if the insect will try to hit that spot it doesn't mean it will hit it. The head of the monster will probably get in the way which should be good because it usually gives the red boost
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Things to do that make you a good hunter

>DO finish all quests before moving on, get those checkmarks and earn the guildmarm's love
>DO equip your palicos and play their mini games
>DO work on at least five or more weapons at once, branch out and play everything you enjoy
>DO disregard what's mathematically best, if you enjoy one weapon or if you really like the look of this water greatsword, use it
>DO only take your share of supplies when online
>DO solo monsters before you go online to hunt them
>DO bring materials to make more traps or even potions if you think you'll need them
>DO the weapon tutorials (1*) to find out what weapons you enjoy, compare your kill times and how fun it was. This is a good start
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>>283790650
>Controls
>Bad
Lol, I did the entire village and more purely with bow.
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>>283821367
Its exactly what he is saying.
he wants people that have the best gear possible so they can carry him.
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>>283821580
Just because you can do it doesn't mean the controls are good.

They are not. If you seriously think bow plays well in 4U you are deluding yourself.
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>>283821546
>DO work on at least five or more weapons at once, branch out and play everything you enjoy
I hope you're not meaning someone should have to play at least five different weapons, because rarely does someone stick with more than two.

>DO the weapon tutorials (1*) to find out what weapons you enjoy, compare your kill times and how fun it was. This is a good start
>compare your kill times
This is a poor idea, especially on a single fight.

>>283821697
Bow plays fine, I played a ton of 3u without the CPP and the differences are easy to adapt to.
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>guns
>skill
hahahahah
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>>283821546
I do all of this apart from finishing all quests. I refuse to do pissant quests like "hunt 5 jaggi" or "deliver 10 crystal bones"
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>>283821546

>DO finish all quests before moving on, get those checkmarks and earn the guildmarm's love
YES! Gotta have them checkmarks before I can move on.
>DO equip your palicos and play their mini games
Yes. Fuckin Nerscylla scraps took forever to get.
>DO work on at least five or more weapons at once, branch out and play everything you enjoy
Lacking in this department. Gonna wait till HR to branch out.
>DO disregard what's mathematically best, if you enjoy one weapon or if you really like the look of this water greatsword, use it
I wear what looks good to me and use what I like. Sort of check cuz I care about defense, skills and damage.
>DO only take your share of supplies when online
I wish everyone would.
>DO solo monsters before you go online to hunt them
Always.
>DO bring materials to make more traps or even potions if you think you'll need them
Yes, only in HR or G.
>DO the weapon tutorials (1*) to find out what weapons you enjoy, compare your kill times and how fun it was. This is a good start
Haven't done this, but I've played since FU so I got them down mostly.
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>>283822456
But don't you want those checkmarks?
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>>283822395
>Have to be good at dodging because low armor
>Have to be accurate
>Have to know proper positioning (Where to hit, where to stand to hit, how far away to stand for what type of ammo, etc)
>No skill required guys
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>>283822395
If someone is a pro bow player then I will have utmost respect for him because the controls for that are out of this world bad
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>>283823017
How bad are they? I mained Bow all through 3U and I didn't have much of a problem on the Pro controller. Can you still set the secondary shoulder buttons to camera?
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>>283823312
I was able to play bow in 3U.
In 4U it's impossible.

Maybe you'll have a better time I don't know
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>>283823409
How are the controls different in 4U?
It's identical to 3U, press X to shoot, R to aim, A for powershot/arc shot.
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>>283823578
the aiming thing is all over the place with the stick
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Working on these now.
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>>283823738
Can you not use the clit mouse to aim that shit?
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>>283823939
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>>283823939
>good hunter
Master of the Hunting Horn

>bad hunter
Not a master of the Hunting Horn
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>>283825068
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>>283823939
>>283824130
>>283825068
>>283825174
1. You're retarded
2. Put the good and bad together for fucks sake.
3. No one gives a shit about this one as long as you aren't an idiot. >>283823939
I'd rather have a guy amazing with an LS than a dipshit who changes every hunt.
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