>The size of the dev team on the N64 Majora's Mask? 40

>>283700817

Phil Fish made FEZ with only 1 person. Nintendo sucks, more news at 10.

>>283700817

Shut up and be glad they even took the time to crap out a port for you to play on "muh handheld," shitlord.

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>>283700817
People are okay with it because there was more going on in different areas of the game compared to OoT.
OoT basically only has the dungeons then like, 2 or 3 side quests.
Majora had a hell of a lot more things to do on the side, and the dungeons were still good quality.

>>283700817
Quality not Quantity.

>inb4 hurr the order 199ass

I said QUALITY.

>>283700997

For $40? Thanks, but no thanks.

>>283700967
lol

>“It’s interesting, because there’s definitely this way that we talk about that sort of thing in development circles here in Japan,” Aonuma explained. “It’s often presented as a challenge to the developers themselves to accomplish something like that, because it can be very difficult to do. Since I’ve been in the role of producer, though, it’s not something that’s been presented to me as a challenge to take on very often.
>“Sometimes I think about issuing it as a challenge to developers that I’m working with,” Aonuma said.
>The challenge to make Zelda games using existing technology and assets was issued by legendary game designer Shigeru Miyamoto in the late '90s. One of the two projects, Ura Zelda for Nintendo 64 DD -- a disk-based peripheral for the N64 -- was scrapped before it would later be released as Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest. Meanwhile, a project codenamed Zelda Gaiden turned into Zelda: Majora Mask.

Wow, the 'challenge' of rehashing content. Is he for real? He's calling it challenging to make a game with existing assets?

OP you're a fucking retard.
The first Zelda game was made by 7 people. 3 of which were in management positions.

>>283701097

That's a steal in this day and age, especially considering the quality and length of the game. Or would you rather shill out $60 for cinimatic movies and half finished multiplayer shooters?

>>283701380
Making a good one. Master Quest could at best be called a remix

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And yet it was better than OoT. Proof that rushed products can indeed be good when the team is also under pressure.

>>283701380
>Wow, the 'challenge' of rehashing content.
Wow, the challenge of understanding an english sentence.

>>283700817
Dungeons =/= content

>>283700817
Most games back then had small dev teams
dmc had like 20 people

>>283700817
Not interested in MM due to the change of passage of time.

>Only 4 dungeons

This makes me mad every time

There's more to this game than fucking DUNGEONSDUNGEONSDUNGEONS

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>>283700817
BLUNDER : 1886 damage control is in full effect I see.

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>>283700817

lol what a shitty game, it only has 1 map

Super Metroid was 15 people working for 3.5 years.

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>>283700817
got your reply right here, can i get you anything else?

Are you seriously upset over somthing that happened 15 years ago?

Are you retarded?

>>283701709

But a lot of people also consider Majora's Mask to be garbage. It's also proof that rushed products can be garbage if we're using your stupid wording

>>283702048

>those maps

I smiled. You've done well, anon.

>>283702135
A lot of people also consider call of duty to be the best game ever

>>283702106
Rollin

>>283702106
rolling

the concept of more employees + more advertising dollars + Maintaining the game over a 2-3 year period with DLC and content updates is killing games. As the budgets get bigger and bigger we have seen the quality of games stagnate and become more and more stale.

>>283702226

So what?

>>283702106
Rollin

>dungeon quantity dictates value!

Fuck that.

If a Zelda had only 2 dungeons but had stellar exploration/adventure surrounding them it would be even better.

What?

Would MM be a better game if it had 1000 dungeons?

>>283702106
Roll

>>283702106
Rolling.

>>283702106
Time for ooga booga.

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>>283702231
Dartarshon Smith

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>>283701097

>>283702337

I say without any irony that I wish Zelda games didn't have dungeons. They're always the weakest part of the game.

>>283702135
>But a lot of people also consider Majora's Mask to be garbage.
Who the fuck cares

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>“A huge, seamlessly unfolding world is something that can’t be achieved if the hardware isn’t advanced enough. Ever since we made the very first generation of Legend of Zelda games though, we’ve had as large a world as can be realised with the hardware, so you could say it was inevitable that we’ve now done the same with the new Wii U title", said Aonuma.
>“When I first showed off the new Zelda game on the Wii U, it seemed everyone was very excited and started proclaiming that a Zelda game had at last become open world! Zelda games have always allowed you to roam and explore a huge world.
>“What’s changed now is that the hardware has progressed to the point that you can now explore this vast world seamlessly; the underpinning of the game hasn’t changed.”

Can a man be more full of shit than Aonuma? He's saying that Twilight Pricess and Wind Waker's shitty maps, for instance, are 'what could be done with open world at the time'? Really?

The fucking industry had seen San Andreas on the PS2 era, with PS2 hardware that was much weaker than Nintendo's. Their own fucking Wii had seen Xenoblade Chronicles utilizing all its hardware, while Nintendo had the 'amazing' Skyward Sword sky, pic related...

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>>283700817
>mfw all these kids playing Majora's Mask for the first time

>>283702106
ROLLAN

>>283701529
You know you can get Cave story for free across a variety of platforms. Paying 40 bucks for a 15 years old game because they added a texture pack and replaced models with ones that have 50 more polygons, while still running at lower resolution than fucking Gamecube that's just absurd, regardless of platform.

>>283702570
>>283702337

My god. I didn't think things were this serious already. We need the gaming crash.

>>283702693
Wii was at least as powerful as the OG Xbox and that had Morrowind on it.

>>283702309
>we have seen the quality of games stagnate and become more and more stale.

Kind of.. I guess if you want to throw a blanket statement that kind of blankets the subject. There's still games out there like South Park Stick of Truth that wouldn't be possible without large teams.

The real issue is pouring money and effort in to a game that just is not good in the end which is not what most people set out to do anyway. This happens with small teams and large teams. How many shitty "RETRO INSPIRED PLATFORMERS" are out there that are incredible boring compared to the $40,000,000 generic FPS. A lot.

It happens on all fronts, anon. The money and team size isn't what is causing shitty games. Not to say that's not a factor of course but there's people involved and they're the ones fucking up these games more than anything.

It used already existing engine and assets from OoT. It was obviously going to have a smaller dev team.

This isn't uncommon. See Fallout 3 and New Vegas also.

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>>283702695

>Miyamoto and Jackie Chan will die in your lifetime

>>283701945
Yeah I still really like majoras it had a lot of content sidequest wise. Short games are not always bad it depends how good and varied the gameplay is.

>>283702937
But NV was a completly different company

>>283703000
Not if I kill myself first

>>283702335
So popular opinion doesn't always change objective facts

>>283702106

test

>>283700817
Anyone else get pissed off when Aonuma talks about Majora's Mask as if he's the one who made it good?

>>283703224
>So popular opinion doesn't always change objective facts
>doesn't always

>>283702106
rolllllllllllllllll

>>283702106
Rolling

>>283702106

rolling

>>283700817

I think it was less about the amount of people and more about the short development time.

>>283703117
Yes, I know. That doesn't impact what I said at all.

The fact it was Obsidian and not Bethesda doesn't impact the core statement that a game that reuses assets can be made in less time or with a smaller team than one that doesn't (at least as much, anyway).

>>283702106
Let's do dis shiiiiiiiit

Anybody want a copy of Goldeneye?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/321668157816?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

>>283702106
rolllll

>>283702106

>>283703960
#fuckoffsonygger

>>283700967
And the quality shows anon. Not sure the point of your post.

>>283702776
Well at least it's not running at a sub par 20FPS.

My god the N64 Zelda's were slideshows.

>>283700817
A lot of people forget the fact that this shit had to be made in ONE YEAR. Even with reused assets, good games take good time. Even with only 4 dungeons, the game made up a lot with sidequests and overall content. Sure, it could have been better, but for a team like that to make a full, long game in 1998-99, that is hard as fuck.

>>283702106
Rollin

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>>283701963

>>283702106
rolling

>>283702826
morrowind only felt seamless on pc, on xbox it had huge loading times between zones

there's actually 8 dungeons
>Swamp
>Woodfall Temple
>Goron Village
>Snowpeak
>Pirate Fortress
>Great Bay Temple
>Garos
>Stone Tower Temple

>>283700817
I'm sure you're trying to make some witty point about people shitting on the order, but the difference is that Majora's Mask has a roughly similar amount of total content if you 100% it and almost zero rehashed content (compare to a 'sequel' like ALBTW which is mostly rehashed content), which is impressive given that 90% of the assets were ripped straight from OOT.

I'd estimate both games take around 8-10 hours to 100% if you know what you're doing and don't use any major glitches. But the average first playthrough of these games takes way longer.

>>283700997
The port fucked up Zora swimming for no reason which makes the water parts of the game MISERABLE. I'm so fucking glad I didn't buy that shit. How did they fuck it up that hard?

>>283702106
rollin!

>>283702106
lel

>>283702106
Ok.

>>283702106
Rollin'

>>283702106
rollin

>>283700817
Console users do not think about price per value.

>>283702106
poop

>>283702106
Sheeeiiiit

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>>283704346
>MM
>developed by 40 Japanese interns in one year in a broom closet at Nintendo HQ
>100% WR using gamebreaking glitches and techniques accumulated over 16 years since the game has been released is approximately 5 hours
>The Order
>100% in the game on launch day is approximately 5 hours

>>283704346

I can see how Nintendo loved it

>Hey guys, so we have 4 dungeons so far, we need at least 5 more...
>Now, why would you do that, intern #3549? Let me, Aonuma, explain something to you. It's ok when we do it. Instead of taking our time to design and develop a string of unique rooms that are connect in deep ways, requiring lots of attention and clever ideas when we can just add more of what we call sidequests to the game? We can simply add this NPC that looks like the same NPC in Ocarina of Time and have him trigger when you show him "Mask A or B", items that have no use other than that. Then, the NPC will say some shit like "blip blip blop" and you'll get a heart piece or another mask. It's brilliant!
>But, mr. Aonuma, people expect more from Zelda games...
>Do I have to remind you it's ok when we do it?

>>283704668

Oh hi, one of the history revisionists that try to say Wind Waker also had 8 dungeons is here!

>>283702106
let's see

>>283702106
roll

>>283704346

A lot of people shit on Majora's Mask for having 4 dungeons.
But each of those dungeons was top notch.

>>283705269
wind waker had 8 dungeons

Forsaken Fortress
Dragon Roost
Forest Haven
Tower of Gods
Forsaken Fortress
Earth Temple
Wind Temple
Hyrule

>>283702106
rolling

Yet it turned out to be the better game. Not to say that ocarina of time was bad game; just not as good.

I actually liked it way more when dev teams were small, most games made by giant teams are a mess.

>>283700967
>made
jej

>>283702106

rolin

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>>283702106
roll

>>283702106
rollin that ass nigga

>>283702106
Rollin

>>283702106
rolling I guess

>>283706234
roll nigga

>>283705604
>Hyrule
>a dungeon
Too short to count
>Forsaken Fortress
>counted twice
Revisiting the same area a second time doesn't count since it was only to get Ganondorf to point out the Master Sword was still sealed.

>>283703000
>Two gooks I never meet will die my lifetime

;_;

>>283706234
roll roll fight the power

>>283702106

Tytar Ondo Jones

>>283706234
Pruno

>>283700967
Wrong and bait.

Literally a mod for OOT

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>>283701963
>Gameplay is something that...it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it.

>>283702106
roll

>>283700967
You'll hook someone. Here's your reply in the mean time

>>283702106
Rolling

>>283702106
rollin

Aside from the Swamp dungeon which is fairly simple the other dungeons are much more complex than any dungeon in OoT

Also there's just so much more shit to do in the other areas of the game, it's not like you're not actually playing just because you are right now not in a dungeon

>>283701963
what's the story of Tetris and Chess?

>>283702106
rollan

>>283702106

yee

>shitaku
Gossip network isn't fact.

>>283706234
roll

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>>283701315
>>283704289
>>283705876
>>283706710
>>283707162
I bet you feel stupid now.

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>>283707681
>much more complex than water temple

>>283700817
Resident Evil 6 had over 600 people working on it and look at how great that turned out.

>>283708204
The water temple isn't complex.

>>283702135
A lot of people also have shit taste.

>>283702106
roll that

>>283702106
Fuck you

>>283708183
>caring about aggregate scores
You are one of the problems with the world today. Also
>11 critics
Congratulations it's absolutely FUCKING NOTHING.

>>283706234
rollan nigga.

>>283702106
Jamquoson Jackson.
What the fuck is this shit.

>>283708387
more complex =/= being complex

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>game is so good people's main complaint is that they couldn't play more

>>283706234
roll that

>>283708729
awwww shit nigga

>another attempt at deflecting Order thread using nintendo as a comparison

ayyyy

>>283702106
rooooliiing

>>283708204

Water Temple is a bit of a puzzle, but mostly straightforward. The only problem with it in the N64 version (other than pausing for the damn iron boots) is that there is 1 key that appears under a platform, but not in a chest, and so doesn't appear on the map. If you don't think to raise the water level and then dive down to check under that one particular platform then it's possible to be stuck with one final locked door and no key, despite every chest on the map being opened. That was THE ONLY PROBLEM with the Water Temple. Anyone who thinks it was hard because of being overly complex or something is grossly misremembering the actual problem.

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>>283701963
This is the state of the video game industry.

>>283702106
mufuga bix nood

>>283708917
Except that key is in a chest.

>>283706234
Please not a slut
Please not a slut
Please not a slut

>>283701963

If gameplay to you is just some annoying thing you have to deal with because you make games THEN MAYBE MAKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN GAMES.

>>283708831
It is neither complex nor more complex. What aren't you understanding here?

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>>283706234
rolling n roll

>>283702106
what an efficient way to derail a thread

>>283701963

>yfw this is the future of gaming

>>283709213

There's one where a platform lifts up and reveals a little passage or room that has a chest with a key. There's another one that lifts up and just has a key laying on the floor beneath it, but the camera doesn't show it to you. I think they put every key in a chest in the 3DS remake, but I'm talking only about the N64 version.

>>283702106
ayy

>>283702048
>backward maps
WHITE
ON THE
RIGHT

>>283706234

rollen

>>283709651

now for a friend

>>283701963

Every day I pray that this industry will crash again and never rise from the ashes.

>>283709769

reroll

>>283702106
roll

>>283701709
nice atmosphere and story
doesn't make up for the fact ITS A SHIT GAME

>>283702106
J.K. Rowling

>>283702106

kek b shit

>>283702106
now this is a thread

>>283706234
please give me nyanners

>>283710005
It's not though. :3

>>283702106
rollin

>>283706607
Ow, the edge

>>283706234
>57
>literally everything thats causes me pain cured

Nigga I'll kiss a guy for that shit. Gimme that 57

>>283702106
BLACK ME

>>283702135
A lot of people think Justin Beiber is the best thing to happen to music ever

your point ?

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>>283702106

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>People that don't like OoT because it's too popular or because of "gamur gurls"

>>283702106
.

>>283706234

k

>>283702106

>People genuinely think Majora's Mask is shit
>These are most likely the same people who hate Wind Waker

>>283702106
nigger

>>283700817

Whats the expression? Too many cooks ruin the soup? Thats the problem with most modern games. Too many people putting their input into a game gives them less charm.

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>>283702106
>>283706234
rollin

>>283706234
rall

>>283712095
im prepared to accept my fate

>>283702106
>>283706234
>>283712095
Roll

>>283702106

>>283712095
TAKE IT FROM ME
IT'S HIP TO BE SQUARE

>>283712095
anime shit

>>283702106
rolling

>>283702106
I'M READY FOR MY LESSON IN STREET KNOWLEDGE DARMARICIOUS JACKSON!

>>283702106
the nose knows

>>283702106
lel

>>283713171
>Tymarquel Jones
Shiiiiiieeeeet.

>>283702106
redgrsey

>>283706234
Keep rollin' rollin' rollin'...

>>283706234
roll

>>283702106
>>283706234
>>283712095
Rall

>>283702106
roll

>>283702106
rolling
>>283712095
also rolling

>>283712095
rolling

Shit, I haven't even played MM.

Is it better to pick up a copy of the new one, or just play an older version? I have the N64 cart, GC disc and Wii VC versions already

>>283706234
~roll

>>283702106
niggify

>>283702106
ok

>>283702106
rollinggg

>>283706234
rumb

>>283702106
sdf

>>283702106
ok

>>283702106
alright

>>283702106
lets see

>>283702106
roll

>>283702106
roll

>>283702106
rollys

>>283702106
Rolled.

>>283703131
That's the spirit!

>>283702106
rolling

>>283700817
this and reused assets galore.

well, the game was good but yeah, short and stupid.

a remake with 16 dungeons is all I ask for.

>>283714657
>quenquokwon carter
?!?

>>283706234
Rolled.

>>283706234
ROLLAN

>>283702106
RAWLIN

>>283702106
>>283702106
aight time to roll

>>283706234
bout ta roll in

>>283702106
Oh yis

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>>283706234
>not wanting to kiss Bailey Jay even if not getting a power
plebs

>>283706234

Let me just roll already.

>>283706234
Roll for loli

>>283703272
Well, Aonuma WAS the director for the original Majora's Mask. Since then, he's only directed The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess

He was the producer for Four Swords Adventures, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Skyward Sword, A Link Between Worlds, Link's Crossbow Training, The Wind Waker HD, Majora's Mask 3D, and the upcoming Zelda U.

He was the supervisor for The Minish Cap and Hyrule Warriors.

But keep acting like he's some new guy to the franchise who's directed every game you hated. You're as bad as Metroid fags who think that Sakamoto is some new guy who came in and ruined the franchise with Other M when he was the goddamn director of the first game, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and Zero Mission.

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>>283706234
Rolan

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Ocarina and Majora are inverses of each other

Ocarina is focused more on open world adventure finding while Majora was is more focused on big plots within small areas

Ocarina has bigger and more areas to compensate lack of background character depth and simple graphics

Majora has better textures and character development to compensate it's smaller world

Don't you see

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>>283701709
But Ocarina is superior to Majoras in many, many ways. More dungeons, BETTER dungeons, a more developed and fleshed out story (if not simpler), and more useful items. Majora's Mask has better sidequests and side characters, but other than that it's inferior.

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>>283712095
I want delicious brown man.

>>283702106
rolling stone

>>283702106
rollin

>>283702106
oh neat i love rolling

>>283706234
derailed

also roll

>>283702106
lets go

>>283715260
C'mon SS Zelda.

>>283702106
CRASHING THIS THREAD WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>283702106
Niggeroll

>>283715494
Jertalmiah Harris

Okay

>>283712095
tits get

>>283702106
rollin

>>283715260
roll

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>>283715260
Gimme milk.

>>283700967

Yeah who was the programmer he stole all his shit from again?