>even the paid shills at Kotaku admit Nintendo fucked up with the 3DS
Now can we all agree that Nintendo fucked up by not making more Majora's Mask 3DS'?
WHO FUCKING CARES ABOUT KOTAKU
NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO HEAR THIS SHIT IF FAGGOTS LIKE YOU WEREN'T POSTING IT TO /v/ ALL THE TIME
STUPID FUCKING SHILL
>Kotaku writer is so buttblasted he decides to write an article shaming Nintendo
Nintendo wanted it to be limited edition. It is. I'm happy with my Mon Hun one, and I preordered it hours after the MM one sold out. Missing a LE is only an issue if you're slow
how about all those collectors editions of titanfall still sitting around gamestops in my area.
There's no reason to buy collectors editions anymore, since games are being pumped out so goddamn much.
You mean Kotaku is mad Nintendo didn't send them a free LE n3ds (and set of screw drivers)so they are complain on their platform about how he is such a faggot about not pre-ordering right after the direct?
>tfw I got mine from a Target on Saturday
feels good, man
>mfw all these buttblasted babbies who missed the MM 3DS
>mfw you blame scalpers bc you're too slow to go reserve one from GS or BB, or too lazy to go out to target or Frys on day one
Enjoy playing on that low tier red one. Oh wait, you didn't reserve that and now every where is sold out? Hilarious.
>Car maker makes a limited edition version of a model or a low-production model
>Demand exceeds supply and thus actual prices are higher than the MSRP
>No one really bitches
I don't get why Nintendo gets so much hate.
>have scalper problem for a year now
>know about the high demand for your products
>put the money you could be making into scalpers' hands
it really is okay, you know, when... the big N does it
Does no one understand what Limited Edition means anymore?
Jesus Christ. It's like LE has just turned into "pay more money for this product because it's slightly shinier" instead of "buy this because of collectors value and shit"
Limited to those who buy them in bulks and sell them at triple the original price leaving none for actual consumers?
Even when Nintendo DOESN'T say limited edition, they limit shit anyway. The GCN controller adapters? Amiibos? These little shits are a pain in the ass to get outside of ebay, and Nintendo limiting them for whatever reason does absolutely nothing other lining the pockets of the scalpers.
I fail to see how they fucked up considering I have one sitting next to me.
>Wanted the MH4U N3DS
>Ended up missing the boat
>Thought briefly about getting a Majoras Mask machine instead
>Realize I hate Majora's mask and that yet another "Gold" Zelda machine wasn't that great
>Grabbed a black basic N3DS
No regrets. This thing is stylish.
was told the MM 3ds wasn't a gamestop exclusive
so I show up at walmart right when it opens hoping they have one
they didn't get it, just the regular new 3ds xl's
I fucking hate this jew company with a passion, first with their amiibo's that exist first of all, and then never in stock, and now the mm 3ds
fuck nintendo, stupid fucking shit ass company. GO OUT OF BUISNESS ALREADY
There's a reason they call it LIMITED EDITION. It's not Nintendo's fault that there is a huge interest in it. Producing an abundance of them so every lazy ass can have one defeats the purpose.
>Why are people whining about a limited item that's persistently bought in bulks by scalpers and sold at a higher price?
Golly gee I fucking wonder.
>you produce 10,000 units of a product
>customer demand is actually for 100,000 units of said product
>lel, no we're not going to make more to meet demand
That's bad business and shouldn't be celebrated.
>kotakuJWs pissed off they couldn't their "LEL WE R SRS GAMUR N3DS'"
>write about how Nintendo messed up because of it
>reading kotaku at all
For fucks sake /v/ we already established years ago that place is cancer.
Pretty much every place that sold them had a 1 per customer/address limit, and the places that didn't cancelled bulk scalper orders after the fact and opened sales on them again which instantly sold out. So it's no worse than any other highly sought after product.
People can blame some early amiibo shortages on scalpers buying 20 at a time before stores got smart and changed their rules, but it's not really the case with limited edition handhelds.
>have billions in cash
>raking in dough from amiibos and MM sellling out
writer is just casual as fuck and didnt preorder. really, if youre not preordering special nintendo shit, youre literally retarded. just another nintnedo is doomed type article because the b N doesnt pay these fuckers. just like how pokemon not being on iphone is a huge mistake.
>Nintendo couldn't bother to restock even slightly
Because they can't magically pull more out of their asses? They can't restock what they don't have, and unless you're buying right form Nintendo themselves they have literally zero control over what makes it to store shelves. Nintendo can't call your local Wal-Mart and tell them to stock more, genius.
It was a limited edition system, and people are complaining because stock was, you know, limited? It's in the name. Blame Wal-Mart, Gamestop and other retailers for letting scalpers buy them all up.
But how is that Nintendo's fault? Nintendo can't stop scalpers from driving to a dozen Gamestops and preordering every system each store gets.
Limited Edition means limited you dumb fucks.
It's not as easy as "just make more". The line was set up and ran for a set amount a while back. It finished and has likely been retooled for something else already.
Overproducing physical product has vastly worse consequences than underproducing, so Nintendo plays it carefully. They simply did not anticipate the levels of demand. Scalpers are rarely paid much attention and are more of a problem for the retailer.
If you want to make scalping a business, rent a bunch of PO boxes and get extra credit cards, and happen to be online exactly during the 20 minute window something is available, I'm sure you can have a tiny amount of the total bulk of shipments sitting in your house to resell as well. But that's no different than any other sought after product.
>my entire state at every type of retailer is out of any kind of New 3DS
Fuck everything. What sense was there in giving every store such a low amount of systems?
No idea why they're not reissuing GC adapters, but as for amiibos undershipping initially is the right thing to do in a completely untested market. They take time to produce and ship as well, Nintendo can't just ship out thousands of amiibos they don't have.
Most if not all of the complaints people have seem to be the fault of retailers. They control the stock and how gets to buy it. If your local store lets some fatass neckbeard walk in and buy all the amiibos the moment they go out that's on the store.
>we make a limited edition product so only a couple people can have it, not to generate interest and make as much profit as we can
>Nintendo can't stop scalpers from driving to a dozen Gamestops and preordering every system each store gets.
So that gives us no warrant to complain at all? We should just shut up and take it in the ass?
Same, none of the new versions are available in any single god damn store. Yesterday the closest was 8 hours away, and now even that place is out of stock.
How long would it normally take for the next batch of shipments to arrive in stores? Fuck delivery.
Actually most of the time this is the case with limited edition products, often they're harder to produce or cost more.
Granted this probably isn't the case with this 3DS but that other guy's point still stands, it's called limited edition for a reason. If Nintendo don't want to make more for whatever reason they're under no obligation to.
>Think it's better than red?
Yeah I'd say so. The Red they chose isn't even that good.
> I've heard that mh4g is worth it.
Oh my word, it's the best fucking Monster Hunter game ever. Dem grafix/dem monsters/dem comfy hub cities/dem new weapons
Trying to beat out scalpers by producing more than the demand is stupid, if the scalpers find out they'll stop buying and the company ends up with more products than they can actually sell just sitting on the shelf.
They did one run and that was all they had planned to do.
Is this the only person here who isn't a complete moron and understands how this stuff works?
>Overproducing physical product has vastly worse consequences than underproducing, so Nintendo plays it carefully
This is exactly what they're doing. They can't afford to overproduce and leave stores with tons of unsold shit they'll lose money on. Nintendo is just a video game company, they're not like Sony and MS who have dozens of other divisions within the company to fall back on, they can't take huge risks like that.
That's on the stores, they decide what goes to each individual store and how many. So if your wal-mart only got 5 that's because corporate decided that's how many were going to be sent to that store.
>sjw think that they should be given everything without having to work for it
>purely cosmetic, doesn't affect getting a new3ds
Schrier has a track record for being a moronic jew.
You have to fuck up pretty hard when even users on journo jerk off central, neofag, shit on you.
Well they either vastly underestimated how many people would want one or they've intentionally produced very few to create artificial scarcity or some shit, I dunno. Fuck knows. I have my MM 3DS so I don't give two fucks.
>Jason Schreier didn't get his Majora's Mask 3DS and is pissed
They did fuck it up though.
They go by preorders and past sales info. They probably based it off of the ALBW bundle which far from some out and actually came with the game. On top of that, original MM didn't sell as well as OoT and OoT 3ds sold well but didn't set the world on fire.
You can argue that the cultural demand for the product was very high and that the average gamer would know that, and sure, you'd be right. But game companies almost always prefer metrics and existing data for decision making over "pulse of the community" feelings.
This should lead to higher skus for future first part special editions at least. Though not for, say, a metroid bundle.
Wouldn't it be weird if people on /v/ were old enough to understand things like how store inventories are actually controlled by the retail company, not the company selling its products in bulk to the retail company?
Again, they produce too many and there's too little demand. They produce more, scalpers stop buying them and stores have tons of leftovers and aren't too happy with Nintendo.
There are always going to be scalpers, flooding stores with the product to combat them is fucking stupid because they'll just stop buying them and the stuff will rot on shelves.
Back in Kasavin's day he had people buy the games they were reviewing with their own money, even if they got a free copy.
Now these trust fund San Fran journos love to bitch and moan when they don't get things for free.
He doesn't even really sound mad. The truth is he knows how mad everyone else is, and is writing an article about it only to draw them in for free ad money. This is literal clickbait.
People don't go to target, walmart, etc for gaming shit.
When smash bro's was released I went to fucking gamestop to see if they had any copies left, and they said they only had enough for the reserved people.
Went to the walmart next door and they literally had a stack of them. I was the first one to buy a copy from them, according to the electronics guy, and I went later in the evening to boot.
Blaming random bogeyman's is lazy as all hell.
Acting affronted by people taking offense at kotaku links indicates that someone is grossly ignorant of why people would have that distaste. Whether that is due to newness or otherwise is irrelevant I suppose.
Is it just the 3DS that's out of stock or is the game gone too?
I don't give two shits about the N3DS, I just want Majoras Mask.
Literally not their problems or faults, stop buying something as dumb as a ds with a fucking sticker if you hate scalpers. They only do it because you people are dumb enough to still buy them.
Not really. Shit looks so much better it makes replaying Majora's Mask possible. Wheras the old N64 version is so fuck-ugly and muddy dull that I cannot even stomach it after 20 minutes.
>Well they either vastly underestimated how many people would want one
You're mistaken. Hypothetically if only 5000 people wanted them and Nintendo produced 5000 Limited Edition units they wouldn't meet demand.
Scalpers buying multiple LE's mean that even if Nintendo met the real demand not every customer would get their LE MM 3DS. They'd have to oversupply the systems which is a big risk, if the 5000 wanting the system got it and the scalpers can't the extra to anyone they can just return unsold systems to stores for a refund and Nintendo loses money.
Guys, can you help me pl0x?
I pre-ordered an MM 3DS at Best Buy but they accidentally canceled my pre-order and then said since it was sold out I couldn't get one. They wouldn't give me any discounts or gift cards either.
Can I sue them to get my MM 3DS?
>there was a deal where if you trade in your 3DS you get $100 off a N3DS
>go do this deal
>sorry we're sold out
>go back the next day
>sorry we're sold out
>go back the next day
>sorry we're sold out
>go back the next day
>sorry we're sold out
>go back on the final day of the sale
>sorry we're sold out
>okay, how about this, what if I trade in my 3DS now, you can give me $100 off when you get the N3DS in stock
>sorry we can't do that
Is the New 3DS even worth all the trouble Nintendo and stores have made understocking everywhere?
im sorry didn't they make an article about how they got a limited edition 3ds and how its all fucked up with scratches and stuff so its not a big deal if you get a regular one?
>Overproducing physical product has vastly worse consequences than underproducing, so Nintendo plays it carefully. They simply did not anticipate the levels of demand. Scalpers are rarely paid much attention and are more of a problem for the retailer.
That's pretty much what's happening here. However this doesn't look very good for Nintendo when you also factor in this situation, the scarcity of some amiibos, and the Gamecube adapter for the Wii U.
Scalping isn't a very big issue in Japan as far as I know, so they're probably not used to dealing with scaplers very often. It'll be interesting to see how Nintendo handles this.
>Overproducing physical product has vastly worse consequences than underproducing, so Nintendo plays it carefully
After they had 2 million WiiU units returned to them in mid 2013, you bet your ass they are
>Get to store earlier than other people.
>Get what you want.
I'm going to have fun with my MM N3DS now. Keep whining about limited editions being limited.
You can sue them but you'll be spending thousands of dollars on legal fees for a $300 system. Unless you file for small claims court where you don't need a lawyer, but those judgments aren't enforceable and Best Buy could refuse to pay and there's nothing you could do about it.
The limited edition isnt even special. It's a fucking sticker on a 3DS. It's not like the bundle came with a signed autograph from everyone at nintendo or something like a artbook/poster/sound track. The people that buy it at 400+ dollars are the problem, not the scalpers.
I don't think so. I'm interested to see what they'll announce for it at E3, if anything. But knowing nintendo, any game they release for it will be able to be played on their next handheld which i think they will release by the end of 2017
Can't find the fucking thing anywhere. Went in to Game and they said they only stocked 5 because they didn't want to have to deal with people not knowing the difference like with the WiiU
See, this whole thing has been confusing me, I think it's a localised issue as my GAME UK store nearby still has plenty of units in stock, I checked today. They've got a bunch of the game, a bunch of black N3DS, a bunch of N3DS XL and a few whites left. They've literally got 50+ copies of the game in stock.
So I wonder if the short-stock is a US specific thing?
>all taken by scalpers
every single store in my town had a one per customer policy and each store got around 20
There were about 400 MM3DS and my local craigslist shows 4 scalped. So there's 396 happy customers.
Whiny bitches are gonna whine.
But the thing is Nintendo would likely spend more than usual reissuing those for the small number of people who still want one and it might actually wind up costing them. How many people would run out and buy the GC adapter again? How many people beyond the small, vocal fanbase really wants those rarer amiibos? If the cost of manufacturing these again is too high, they're simply not going to do it regardless of how many very vocal fans there are out there.
And it's not as simple as "just make more" they likely have ongoing contracts with factories and they can't necessarily reset everything to produce these amiibos again. That might interrupt what is currently going on and cost them again. They have to produce [X] number of them, making a small run would be a lot more expensive than a much larger one per unit, and again there probably isn't all that much demand among people who aren't neckbeards on the internet.
I'd like to see more GC adapters though, not going to sell those GC controllers if no one can fucking use them. Gamestop has/had adapters last month, but you could only buy one in a $140 bundle with four GC controllers.
Nintendrone faggot. Nintendo needs to not make half of what is expected to be bought. 5000 people want a game? Lets make 2500 and have 1000 of those people buy all of them only to be sold 3x as much to people who actually want it.
Nintendo has been pandering to euros for years now, trying to get their numbers up in that market.
I dunno WHY since that's almost entirely a land of fifa shit and broshooters, but they're still trying.
They need to sell another 20 million 3DSs at least, it'll be here for a few more years. No reason to replace it when it's still selling okay and they have no direct competition.
Early bird gets the worm.
its the stores job to limit items per customer, not Nintendo since the only store they own is the one in NY
The problem isn't that it's limited
>go to store to see if they have monster hunter 4 N3ds's just by chance
>not surprised that they dont
>ask how many people bought them
>he said it was one guy who ordered them all
>they're $500+ online when the original price was $230
the problem is the retailer is just letting people buy them all to be resold online for ludicrous prices. its not nintendos fault it's the retailer
Retailers have no incentive to limit quantities, particularly when Nintendo consoles aren't exactly doing Wii numbers these days. Someone wants to clear your stock, you aren't going to be picky.
Retail salesman here. You're fucking stupid. its true the supplier decides how many LE of products are distributed but other than that its the retailers responsibility to have things in stock.
The guy was too slow and didnt even pre order the 3ds otherwise he and his friends would have gotten one.
>Now can we all agree that Nintendo fucked up
Good luck with that on Nintendogaf
Nintendo could distribute mechandise through their online store, and produce numbers based on the amount of pre-orders they receive. That's how Goodsmile company sells their shti. It isn't perfect, but it's better than the way it is right now.
Not exactly, I preordered two when they first went up from Amazon using different account and figured if I was lucky one would show up, turns out they both showed up so now I'm selling one, its under 200 at the moment if anyone's interested but its the pal version
I'm still bitter about the Smash Bros. Gamecube adapter. Fucking scalpers ruined that game and that part of Christmas for my family. You think with 8 player modes Nintendo would make sure people could play it without buying 8 Wii U controllers or 3DSs. They still haven't restocked them
>"Wow we sold all of this product that we produced, earning what we thought would have been the maximum we could get!"
>"You idiot you fucked up, why didn't you make more, LOL" - Kotaku
I did end up getting my adapter, but I still agree that the way nintendo handled it was really uncalled for. Now with the amiibos, new 3ds's, and majoras mask limited editions, its getting plain ridiculous. Did the Wii U performing like dogshit convince them to severely understock whatever they make for the rest of their days?
Obviously haven't tried the Pro controller. It's as good or better in every way.
The only legitimate reason for buying a Gamecube adapter is to already have gamecube controllers lying around and not have to waste however much on three other pro controllers.
Otherwise, get gud, scrub.
>bitching about the color of the mm 3ds
I managed to get one of those suckers and it looks amazing in person.
I'm still pissed about this though, having to go through so many hoops to get one from gamestop.
They've always run limited stocks. People used to bitch about Nintendo-brand SNES games still costing 60 bucks when 3rd parties were flooding the market and selling for 15 to get rid of their stock.
I stop you there the wii u pro controller is pretty damn comfy for smash bros. You need some time to get used to but other than that it's perfect.
inb4 durr durr i'm a tourneyfag and wireless controllers doesn't work for our niche tournements
Its just as good and serves the same purpose. Lets you use the gamecube controller for samsh and up to four, and only that. Though the mayflash allows you to use it for the PC too if you care.
I'd say they are being a little stingy with the LE models. They could release a couple thousand LEs across 50 states and that would give any stragglers one last chance and Nintendo could make some more easy money.
Other than that I agree they fucked up since they don't even have enough of the base model for people to buy.
>A couple thousand more would all get bought up by scalpers
No, not ALL of them. If stragglers truly wanted one they would try really hard to get one. If they fuck up again then they have no reason to bitch.
>make two limited editions 3ds
>one off a shitty rehash
>one off a game that most Americans don't even know exists
>refuse to even RELEASE best version in ameriland.
Although after the Wii U, it's not like you should expect anything resembling good decision making when it comes to hardware.
Same I have bought this pos for dolphin few years ago and now the official work for pc AND the wii u. fuck
Stragglers already missed their first, second, and third chances. What makes you think they wouldn't miss every chance they were offered without completely flooding the market?
A second release would sell out even faster, since more people know about it now and would want to scalp them since they are going for such a high price.
The fault is on you to actually pay the scalpers.
People didn't scalp the gaystation after all. It's always nintendo product because neo/c/ literally have a meme about bragging about your last stupid buy
Tried a Pro controller for Smash 4 and didn't like it. I use it for other games like Bayonetta 2, but I'm so used to the GC controller for Dairantou that it's hard to switch. Those cheap trigger buttons on the Pro controller just don't feel as good as the GC controller's, and it really doesn't fit as well in my hands.
Nintendo should have designed the Wii U Pro controller to be this.
Somewhat related, but upon the D-Arts Zero MKII figure being reissued, he was sold out in roughly 15 minutes, and that was even with the 1 per household limit. I was damn lucky to get mine because the site was lagging as fuck when trying to place the order, so think of that same situation with the Amiibos.
The way Nintendo has been handling a lot of their new things has been downright fucking retarded. Sure it might be good business wise because it creates an artificial demand and people impulse buy them, but it's fucking ruined by the scalpers. The amiibos are the worst fucking case of this, all it does is make people lash out at the company for supplying such limited stock and they repeatedly keep doing this shit. Ever since Marth, WFT, and Villager were announced to be discontinued this shit has been happening, and it's fucking unfair to the actual customers. Oh you couldn't pre-order or get the one you wanted because scalpers got to them first? Too bad! Try ebay though ;)
It just ruins amiibos for everyone, well, everyone except the shitty scalpers.
Gamestop allows you to trade your old system in after transferring everything to the new one, the thing is you essentially have to pay outright, then bring the old system back to em with the receipt so they can reimburse you the $100. I didnt bother getting the N3DS, but that's how it worked.
They could AT LEAST announce something along those lines, go into any store and you're guaranteed not to see any characters other thank the really popular ones like Mario, Luigi, Peach, Link, Zelda, etc. There's no variety.
>Why do people care more about what a handheld looks like than a console?
Handhelds are now personalized and an outlook as to who you are, like phone cases. Everyone has the standard black or white console, making this argument pointless.
gross, superior gold and new 3ds coming through.
>Sure it might be good business wise because it creates an artificial demand and people impulse buy them, but it's fucking ruined by the scalpers.
You limit the amount of consumers that can actually buy the product. Nintendo is basically pandering to the niche/ethutastist then you average kid to play Nintendos.. If you piss them off enough, they will just buy other stuff. They are just manipulating making small demand bigger then it actually is. It won't help them make extra cash, or gain higher market share aganist activision/disney.
The thing is that First hand sold amiibo is always more profitable then second hand sold toys. Allowing Scalpers to resell toys makes you lose money that could been your. Which is why Western publishers hate Second hand, and want to user games to die.
>tfw got one Friday morning
I feel like a fucking god
and also a consumer pig but mostly like a god
All I saying is that limiting Supply to create artificial demand isn't good business because.
1. Scalpers(Second hand) get more money then Nintendo out of them.
2. It gives a false install base, where Nintendo mistakes scalpers for as actual people interested in Nintendo profits. Which limits mainstream potienal of the product, and makes it easier for Activision/Disney to outsell Nintendo.
3. People are not THAT interested, and it limits the amount of people who could have bought. It doesn't actually make them more cash.
You don't even need to do that to create demand when you have marketing, market research, among of others to create something that consumer's want. PS4 is good example of why you don't need to do that.
>tfw I got mine with 0 problems from a legitimate retailer who had like, an extra 15 on launch day.
>All I saying is that limiting Supply to create artificial demand isn't good business because.
Not him but it works you know, meaning it is in fact good business.
Also you're a moron if you truly believe they won't reprint anything that isn't a limited edition item.
As for this
> Scalpers(Second hand) get more money then Nintendo out of them.
They don't, because normals just go for the alternative, that being the regular or XL N3DS.
Actually they would get less.
The only reason there's such a hype around it is because it's a limited edition item. If it wasn't then they wouldn't care and people would just go for the regular version.
Plus it costs more to produce believe it or not.
So mostly off-topic, but it does relate to Majora's Mask. Couldn't find another thread and didn't want to make a new one.
I'm in the Stone Tower Temple and one of the keys that should be there isn't there. It's in that room with the Dexihand and the spike balls, it should be in a chest on the ledge next to the hand but the chest isn't there. Anyone else have that issue or did I forget to do something?
Hahah, friends? What friends? You don't have any fucking friends. The "friends" that you are playing with you are only your "friends" because you give them shit. They laugh at you behind your back.
>or too lazy to go out to target or Frys on day one
Their defense most people work on Fridays, so getting there within an hour of the store opening to grab one of the limited amount they stock would definitely be an issue.
I wouldn't have been able to get one even if I wanted one. Good thing I prefer Monster Hunter.
All the targets around me got around 2 at best. Even the one I frequent that got around 50 or more for all consoles even in the days of the Wii craze. Most got lines of about 20 to 30, and more than half had to be told they might as well leave since neither the MM 3ds or MM LE weren't much in stock.
And some of these people had waited for 5 hours. The first two in lines were pretty much the same, they were just lucky they got their first.
>the system is for enjoyment for yourself, not to show off.
Then it would look fine turned the other way, and still look better when it is open. When it is closed it doesn't matter what orientation it is in, it only matters when it is open.
>what is the new Nintendo Creators Program