Turkey’s Family and Social Policies Ministry has launched an investigation into video game “Minecraft” on grounds that it encourages violence, especially against woman.
>The investigation aims at inspecting whether or not the game contains motives to trigger violence in its players.
>In the higher levels of the game the player may need to kill women, allies and even friends for survival reasons.
>The ministry has received many complaints regarding the violent elements, especially against women, in the video game and thus launched an inspection.
>If the ministry’s investigation decides that the game encourages violence, the ministry will proceed by opening a law suit against the game for a country-wide ban.
>everyone is genderless in the Minecraft universe
>on top of that, a game literally made of pixel cubes where you mine for shit and build houses SOMEHOW causes violence against women
Dont women want equality? How many men are killed in video games? Why is a small number of virtual women killed in games somehow more important than an enormous number of virtual men being killed.
Why is it important at all? Its not real.
>In the higher levels of the game the player may need to kill women, allies and even friends for survival reasons.
What the literal fuck.
Are we even talking about Minecraft?
Is this some kind of joke or clickb8?
Does anyone have that comic of a game dev constantly changing their fighting game to include women, not include women, then make women invincible and no matter what they do feminists complain?
Feminists have breached the one thing we never thought possible.
Stock up on doritos and momtain dew and barricade yourself in your moms basement the gender war is finally upon us
>tfw fuckloads of mudshits are funnelling into my city
>tfw see women wearing skin tight yoga pants, uggs, tight as fuck shirts and 7lbs of makeup yet have a hibby-jibby on
I wanna fuck so many of them but I know their masters will kill me then honour kill them
Yes, I posted this yesterday, it is quite humorous is it not?
Reminder that it's literally illegal to talk shit about their nation's founder.
>Tfw haven't pulled a move on this pretty Muslim girl from work that has been dropping hints because of thought of her family
Holy shit, I wish relationships were like back in highschool when you didn't think about that sort of shit.
I got nothing against Muslims, I got quite a few Muslim friends, but because I have been friends with them and over their houses and shit I know I don't really wanna get involved in all that.
Showing women is sexist.
Not showing women is sexist.
Do you not get how this works yet
It's from a canadian let's play channel.
France and canada are both interesting experiments.
Back when I was at high school my Religious Education teacher was a muslim, she wore a burka that covered her hair, not the full ninja mask one, but also always wore a low cut sleeveless top that slightly showed off her small rack.
It really confused me.
I think they still wear it as a cultural/religious thing even though they don't agree with hiding your beauty and all that shit.
Like I think the headwraps are kinda cute & stylish.
women do. feminists dont.
they've been a pretty extremist movement right from the start but they've gotten great at PR.
the average person telling you theyre a feminist cause they support equality arent really feminists.
>COME PLAY MY LORD
>The ad slowly takes over the other ones
I shouldn't laugh at shit like that
It's just a ploy for whoever is leading this investigation to play games instead of doing actual work.
have you guys ever been around a decent number of women wearing those things? they look like shit and only really serve to elongate the face and draw attention to the nose.
oftentimes it also brings out the cheeks more in a bad way since it makes em look fatter than they are.
i saw a girl in a burqa on a bus with her daughter, and it was really fucking cold out that day so she had her daughter bundled up so heavy in this big pink coat, hat and scarf, so she liked just like her mom except pink. was cute as h*ck
women like feeling desired and sexually empowered. those scarfs are meant to conceal you and enforce modesty in women. To wear them and then also wear tight clothing is contradictive. If anything its a sign that they or their family refuse to let go of cultural traditions whilst having migrated to another country. That generally isnt a good thing since islamic culture clashes with western values.
I dont care if women want to wear tight clothing and I dont care if they want to wear scarfs. But I cant appreciate or respect women who want both.
>Needing to kill allies
>Needing to kill anything to survive
>especially against women
What? You can literally run away from everything and be a mountain hermit if you want. What the fuck.
>But the scarfs are hot.
That's a fucking lie. Not even the muslims themselves think that. That would be like putting a bikini on them, a totall contradiction. Then again, you are a fucking troll so
its pretty obvious the people who wrote that and the ones investigating this shit dont have a clue what minecraft is.
if anything it sounds like a move to try to get rid of Microsoft as a competator in Turkey.
>the player may need to kill women, allies and even friends for survival reasons
I cannot wrap my head around how this warrants the game being investigated for sexism. Even if it were true.
Do you need to mine women for vital survival supplies in Minecraft's final level or something?
Most women on the street will cuss you out if you even hinted at them being feminist.
That's like calling them manhating womanhating lesbian child murders and molestors.
They believe in the ideals of equality but not feminism in the slightest. The lie that feminists want equality between the sexes and pulling up all kinds of fake numbers to say that their movement is needed has been mostly debunked and is utterly unpopular with the average woman.
The only place it can survive is in the safe confines of colleges and future catlady who is retarded when it comes to interaction with the opposite sex/lonely barren jailhouse lesbian producing women's colleges.
*I stroke my legbeard as I free bleed*
Heh, well said!
Different folks, different strokes. I personally find women in plate armor hot as fuck. Everyone has their own thing.
but they more closely follow the philosophies of the original feminist and suffragettes than the moderate/equalist feminists do.
If anything the equality feminists are actually humanists, not feminists.
God damn this is dumb.
Unless a game actively gives more points for killing women than killing men, or killing exclusively women is part of the plot, than it should not be grounds for shit like this.
Hell, I don't know what the statistics are in Turkey, but I know for a fact men are more likely to be violently assaulted than women, and more often than not in video games. Shouldn't a game actually about attacking women be considered some sort of progressive.
>Except there are feminists who want equality
No they don't.
They want what feminists claim is equality and that is the exact same as the one's who want female superiority and a general hatred of heteronormative behaviors and societal trends.
While at the same time enforcing them so they can manipulate ideals for their own benefit.
>but they more closely follow the philosophies of the original feminist and suffragettes than the moderate/equalist feminists do.
Femenism hasn't changed since the term was coined. And the suffragettes were not feminists. Just women(who were partially controlled by men)who wanted to get women to vote.
However they hit a fucking roadblock when all women thought that signining up to vote meant that they would have to go to war like men. You know, equality.
When the men who wanted to get into office said Equality? PFFFT! Naw man. You can vote and not have to go to war/sign up to be drafted and have to worry about the weight of your decisions.
If somebody does absolutely nothing to oppose a group, but still happily benefits from what that group does, I consider them part of that group.
You really think any woma had ever said "no, don't give me this job/position because I don't think I really deserve it and am only being offered because of female quotas" or "your honor I want more jail time so can be equal to what a man would get for the same crime".
Or a few decades ago "We deserve to be drafted too!" if people want to bring up suffragettes.
Women have NEVER wanted equality. They've wanted preferential treatment while still acting like they're the moral high ground. Claiming they don't like feminism is just their latest tactic for making sure men still give them free stuff
I didn't even know there were women in minecraft. The default skin is Steve, right? Some brown guy. And any skins you place on your model are just that: skins. It doesn't affect the gameplay one bit, so the game doesn't recognize if it's male or female because those things don't exist in the Minecraft universe.
So how exactly does it promote violence against women
and how is that any worse than violence against men?
Yeah, but you're a lesbian.
And your niche is too small and buys not enough stuff to warrant selling anything too you.
We'll just get some bishie girl faced dudes to put on some armor and get your knickers moist.
Wrong you stupid fuck. Actual feminists believe in equality. The "feminists" that are always in the gaming media are amoral retards who have essentially stolen the name and believe that men need to be put in the dodgehouse.
>If somebody does absolutely nothing to oppose a group, but still happily benefits from what that group does, I consider them part of that group.
I guess all of /v/ is pro-Gamergate then :^)
Wow, guess that one South Park episode isn't too far off...
No, that's not how it works at all.
They honestly detest feminism and none of the benefits you bring up were actually won for women by feminists.
And they say they aren't feminist because it has a lot of negative social connotations behind it and nothing that feminists are interested in rings true with them and from what I've seen puts them off.
For once in my life I'd like someone to actually show me one of these "actual feminists" instead of just being told they exist.
Cause if I didn't know any better I'd think "actual feminists" was just an imaginary phrase made up and used to deflect criticism any time a feminist does something bad or stupid.
The only one parroting a lie is you for thinking feminism has always been about "put men on the leash"
Fucking Miyazaki is a feminist, and he's not saying men need to be chained up, he just wants to see men and women be equal.
Jesus christ imagine being a investigator for this.
Yeah, you get paid, but this is what you studied in school for. To find virtual violence.
If I was the investigator, I'd just go batshit insane and blame everything just to see what happens.
>Somebody Said A Bad Thing On Twitter
Gotta love the ad changes overtime too, that's quite subtle
>tfw no feminists were mentioned in the article
>tfw think both sides in the faGGot and sjw/feminist debate are retarded
>tfw i will continue playing titty ninjas on my vita and no feminist can/will stop me
sure feels good not fearing boogeymen and objectifying women, faggots ;^)
i don't get how they even came to that conclusion in the first place
bet you that they say they claim it causes violence anyway and we have to spend the next twenty years refuting it from morons
fucking minecraft of all things, seriously
Calling people who want equality between the sexes(that means men and women are treated equal in all things that matter and we give some special leeway because men and women need different things and fulfill different roles) does not mean they are feminist.
Feminists do not WANT true equality. They like squealing about equality as a pretty lie to cover up their true nature and parasitically claim people like miyazaki as feminist fo bolster and make their movement more attractive and cover up how diseased it is.
Did you know the woman who did more for women then any fucking full fledged feminist in the movement can ever attest too had her life threatened her dog murdered and was ultimately ran out of the fucking country?
This woman's crime?
She deigned to say that men and boys needed a shelter from violence too.
This woman who had her life DESTROYED by them is now parasitically called a feminist to earn special social coin.
She can't go back to her own fucking country because of them even today.
There is a reason women who aren't fucking losers and basically all men want nothign to do with feminists in a social sense and are beyond warry of them when it comes to political stuff.
In a few years women who are seen as college feminists and even know the name of the vagina monologues will be passed over for teaching positions.
Hopefully this will help young men in school and get us out of a coming intellectual crunch.
Even the most betas of betas don't know these feels anon, I hope you get a girlfriend soon.
except they ARE.
See "real" feminists telling shitty feminists to fuck off?
There's one I can think of off hand.
Do "real" feminists care about issues that aren't related to women?
the shitty feminists are 100% unchallenged except by people who aren't, who they label instantly as misogynist or internalized misogynist.
>people really think they have any power
Boy who cried wolf, much?
Because women (especially feminists) have never made any effort to get rid of female job and education quotas, get punished more severely for crimes or been subject to the draft, all things that would cause them to actually be more equal to men
That doesn't disprove the definition of equality, which is that men and women are treated the same. And that is true for the most part. You don't see a female murderer getting a less harsh sentence.
>Implying Hilary, the closet lesbian who occasionally finds herself falling onto the cock of her hubby and whatever dick(since she's blonde and a lez, probably a black cock) or tounge is in her entourage wasn't the real power behind Bill Clinton
The very REASON she isn't going to be the actual president is because she screams typical feminist and not even women want a woman in charge who's like that.
There's a reason feminist political power players threw their weight behind Obama at the last second.
Besides, with the bullshit seesaw dems win for a while repubs win for a while thing to make people believe that SOMETHIGN is going to change when it really won't means that there is no way a democrat is going to win the next election.
>You don't see a female murderer getting a less harsh sentence.
women statistically get much more lenient sentences than men. This is not up for debate. this is a fact.
feminists are doing nothing about this.
That is the exact opposite of equality.
Quotas are okay and do help with inherent inequality in society as long as it doesn't mean forcing more people into places they do not want to be or can't function in.
What about eliminating child support alimony and having fairer trials when it comes to child custody?
I have a question.
Why do I have to be equal to women? How is that fair?
If a fucking war breaks out tomorrow, I have to go get shot even though I had NOTHING to do with it at ALL. While women are home "suffering" and NOT getting shot. Explain to me, why do I have to live with that very real possibility of having to leave everything I know behind and probably die while also having no special rights?
FUCK YOU. I'll take all the (imaginary) special rights I get.
This fucking post! I keep seeing it in every.fucking.thread about feminism. With the same fucking image, over and over again. Am i going insane? I swear to god i've read it at least 3 or 4 time this month only.
are you retarded?
would you ever go out and tell your boss to lower your wage because your female coworker is getting less than you?
no, cause thats fucking stupid.
now please, go ask your mom to explain how life works to you
>men kill themselves 8 times as much as women
>feminists shrug and say who cares
>video games! Women! Tropes!
>HOLY SHIT! THIS IS IMPORTANT!
Explain why women and video games are more important than an epidemic of suicide that's clearly a gendered issue.
There aren't even female NPC's in minecraft.
Fucking children play this game religiously across the world, wouldn't signs already start showing up if that was even remotely true?
Like, playground beatings of girls or some shit if this was the case?
Seriously. The reason why wages are shit at some places and not others is just bad management. Shit, the restaurant where I work the pay depends on the position. Cooks obviously will get more since they have more set hours while the dishwashers get a bit less as they're called in depending on the workflow.
It ain't some fucking conspiracy, ya babies.
No I wouldn't because that doesn't happen. If you're seriously still clinging to the pay gap (which even all those allegedly normal non-feminist women know is bullshit) you must be getting seriously desperate to find any way to continue dodging my questions
Women don't get a lower wage then men for the same positions. As a matter of fact they get more and more benefits in the same positions.
In many cases that makes sense and is equal and no one disputes that. However women don't know that and are being told they are getting far less just to create a general feeling of animosity and victimhood.
when mothers seek custody of their children,
courts are 65% more likely to award custody to the mother (when relevant) than the father in family court.
Ever since Jack Thompson left, the controversyfags have had less and less logical shit to cling to.
Back when whacky Jacky was around, he at least tried to bring up some logical argument, like Bully encouraging real bullying and homosexual antics. Now, people just go "Plaque Inc. encourages white supremacy" because they probably look up all the strategy guides that suggest starting in Saudi Arabia or other non-white countries.
>What about eliminating child support alimony and having fairer trials when it comes to child custody?
What the fuck do you care? Every little kid on /v/ is terrified of fatherhood.
You almost had to reply to actual facts about inequality that feminists actually give zero fucks about!
That would have been really embarrassing if your argument couldn't have faced it!
Hell most girls spend their time trying to get it to play like a relationship emulator and want more social stuff and animals to find and more feminine worlds dangerous in a legend of zelda way.
Cause Muslims are exactly what feminists have always cried about what the patriarchy is. They genuinely do use brute force to keep women down and women are completely fucking helpless to do anything about it because despite akk their bragging of being strong and independent they're actually completely dependant on men doing everything for them
Feminists, "real" or "feminazi bad kind" don't give a shit about fairness in family court and custody hearings.
Or about how men face 15% longer sentences on average for the same crimes than women.
And men are 15 times more likely to be incarcerated than women, that is, to receive a sentence with ACTUAL JAIL/PRISON TIME.
Again. Have feminists engaged these issues or addressed them? No. What issues are important to women?
HEY GUYS THERE"S A TROPE IN A VIDEO GAME BETTER STOP IT THAT'S IMPORTANT!
I'm actually someone else.
But the point stands.
I didn't even know Minecraft had women, or any other humans other than yourself. This is the kind of nonsense I'd expect from Scandinavia or maybe Canada, but not Turkey.
Man FUCK YOU!
Look at this thread, hell look at 4chan.
Of course we're afraid of fatherhood. Of taking care of a wife who'll probably be unfaithful and realize the kid we loved and took care of isn't genetically ours.
To probably know that the kid we put so much love and care into raising is someone elses
That's just the bullshit that can be ignored if we love the kid enough.
There's the constant worry about if we're doing the right thing when teaching them and wondering if they'll be able to take care of themselves. The watching out for them all of the time, making sure their belly is full and they are getting out and playing and being physically and mentally healthy, that their friends aren't like...US and are good influences and them a good influence on them. Or wondering how to keep our daughters life and virtue safe and to get them to find a good boy who'll take care of her and watch out for her and our son to find a good girl one that's loving loyal and not to be the town dildo
And that's not wondering if they'll end up LGBT and having to tell them that we love them no matter what while not having any goddamned idea of how to treat them.
That's not even bringing up how there's a good chance the wifey will divorce us take the kids and just use me for alimoney while poisoning them against us.
I mean, that's a part of us walking around out there. All the good things we've learned and experienced being given to them and hoping that they'll have a better time of it and do bettin in life then we ever could.
It's always going to be scary.
actual feminists do
they also deal with female circumcision, the rape and abuse of african pows, the sex slavery trade of both children and adults in eastern yurop and africa, etc
they establish womens shelters and charities to help victims of these things
they help people, they dont just bitch purposelessly on the internet
i think the funniest thing in the world would be to put a tumblr feminist on an unscripted talkshow with one or two of these people, an actual feminist and a victim of actual abuse in the congo or something and watch her stutter and try to validate "b-but video games" in the face of people who have faced actual tragedy and worked to prevent it
Those women you are talking about aren't feminists. Feminists only exist in well off well protected first world nations.
The women you parasitically call feminists are humanists and seek to help women and by extension all of humanity.
The clitoris, developmentally, is a stunted penis.
I'm no feminist, but, it's the difference between snipping off the foreskin (which I still think is wholly unnecessary) and lopping off the entire dick.
A female has about 4x the the amount of nerves and nerve endings in their clits than an uncircumcised dick. A circumcised dick has about half the amount of nerves and endings as an uncircumcised dick. Female circumcision makes sex more like rubbing your balls and with significantly less orgasm, if any.
Oh, you were joking?
The foreskin isn't unnecessary.
Removing it is a practice that is completely meaningless and has no positives and all negatives.
There is no real medical excuse for it what so ever.
There are different kinds of female circumcision. Some remove parts of the labia, some the clitoral hood, some the clit.
But of course what we all need to remember is that this barely happens to 1% of the female population while almost 1/3 of males do. Which of course means this a serious issue for women and must be fixed immediately
In fairness, he did say COMPARATIVELY.
I can't think of any medical reason to remove the foreskin in 2015.
But compared to OTHER things that ARE gendered issues...
That's not the most important.
This makes literally no sense, though. Of ANY game, how would Minecraft influence violence, let alone violence against women? They don't even say why they think it does, they just claim it does. The only reason to kill a female at all is by playing online, and even then female and male characters are exactly the fucking same.
>The game has several modes and in some of the modes, the player needs to survive in order to proceed with the game. To survive through all of the various levels one may fight with monsters, create handmade weapons and use them. If the player cannot survive and dies in any of the levels, he/she has to start the game all over again.
What "mode" are they even talking about? From my knowledge, vanilla Minecraft only has survival and creative mode. Can you sue a game company for what people do online?
Even then, what online gamemode has "levels" where you need to fight monsters to go to the next "level"? Nothing comes to mind.
The thing is, it's natural for humans to be promiscuous. Monogamy is something we created to try and solve the problems you mentioned, but it goes against our nature. The sooner you accept this the better.
>other cultures don't have comparable concepts to enlightenment era thinking
That plebian faggot just ousted themselves as a racist for suggesting that non european societies cannot think logically.
I've never once had a woman say anything like that or even hint at that.
I'm honestly convinced that views like yours only exist in movies and are a narrative some people are trying to push in social media.
Has anyone here who is intact ever had this happen to them?
>those ads for free mmos with stock images of anime girls with huge tits and taglines like "YOUR GIRLFRIEND WILL NEVER HAVE TO KNOW..."
does anyone actually play those fucking things?
>honestly believes the myth of women disliking foreskin
It's so funny how cutfags try to justify their mutilation. Newsflash kid, touching your only dick and cleaning it in the shower isn't gay.
there is no way in God's black universe that that is a female. I do not believe it for a second.
But there are no women in Minecraft.
All players control Steve. Most with a skin applied, but it's still Steve.
This just makes girl player skins trannies.
False equivalence. You can't compare murder to promiscuity. There's nothing necessarily wrong with having multiple sex partners, as long as you stay away from STDs.
But didn't you know there's an Official Female Skin named Alex now?
Ok - Promiscuity isn't necessarily good just because it's natural.
And as I noted before, science has interesting evidence that may link where human monogamy started, and it's not necessarily entirely social.
We are talking about promiscuity within the confines of the social construct of a monogamous marriage and a monogamous relationship overall.
Saying that it is a practice that is discouraged when it comes to the aformentioned things because of the negative social consequences to the participants and society as a whole is not creating a false equivalence.
And there is real evidence that a woman who has many sexual partners becomes both incapable of being monogamous are shown to be worse partners and also creates weaker offspring.
Murder in self-defence can sometimes be justified, but it's still a dumbass comparison.
How do you know they will become "directionless"?
How do you know it makes less stable societies?
I didn't say it was good because it was natural, it was an explanation as to why people can behave that way. It's in our nature, our biology.
>humans don't raise children communally
We actually do, however the practice is discouraged in larger communities and cities.
I can see why this died out with the advent of the modern day idea of large cities and in places with huge populations of people
>Murder in self-defence can sometimes be justified,
That technically isn't murder.
>it was an explanation as to why people can behave that way. It's in our nature, our biology.
I contend that it's possible it may not be.
>That technically isn't murder.
Alright, then it's definitely a false equivalence.
>I contend that it's possible it may not be.
You people are the ones complaining about "all women are whores" yet you say it's unnatural to be promiscuous? So are all these people going against their nature? By the way, most men are promiscuous too. Most of the time, the people who want strictly monogamous relationships are people who are insecure with themselves or have very little sexual experience.
Why not report more games to them?
If Minecraft gets there, why not everything else too? We could have all games banned on Turkey for being problematic. Kill the whole gaming market there.
>Most of the time, the people who want strictly monogamous relationships are people who are insecure with themselves or have very little sexual experience.
This is your opinion.
>You people are the ones complaining about "all women are whores"
No one here said that.
>yet you say it's unnatural to be promiscuous?
I, personally, do contend this, and there seems to be scientific evidence that humans are monogamous
>So are all these people going against their nature?
More than possible for people to develop behaviors from society that causes someone to behave contrary to their nature.
The /v/ consensus tends to be just that. Also the original post I responded to was complaining about all women being unfaithful. >>282730814
But yes, I realize not everyone here holds that opinion.
Even in polygamous relationships humans form long term bonds, which is monogamous on some level, even if just tertiary by most standards.
Monogamy by scientific standards tends to be a partnership with the same partner after one or more breeding season.
For humans, sticking around after the baby was born actually benefited us more than just moving on to the next partner after intercourse.
This shows up statistically as well again and again. single parent homes do far more poorly than parents that stay together.
Monogomy benefits humans more than polygamy. Irrefutable evidence continues to stack up, both scientific and social.
Complains of unfaithfulness are valid, especially when a partnership is mutually understood to be monogamous and the partner lies. In modern society, that anon you quoted is complaining less about female unfaithfulness as much as what happens when a male is _screwed_ by a society that favors females in all forms of separation and legal hearings.
I've presented evidence for how humans benefited from monogamy and how we are naturally monogamous because of how overwhelmingly more social we are from other animals.
Whereas you've provided none.
>giving women free money
holy shit, thanks for reminding me why I'm still on this shithole of a website
Even Tony "cuckold" Burch, after celebrating how GREAT polygamy is, afterwards?
Had tremendous regrets afterwards.
There are benefits to monogamy. It is, in fact, in our nature, by most fossil records. It BENEFITED our evolution by allowing for a longer developmental period which allowed for greater brain growth and development which allowed us to become more intelligent.
By coddling our children for a longer period of time, they were able to develop their brains for a longer time than other animals. Which gave us more advanced brains. We take more time to raise a child, but this extra developmental period gave us a huge leg up in evolution.
The people who are most insecure don't even dare talk to women. I definitely disagree.
I'm not saying there aren't benefits to a monogamous relationship; there are. But staying in the same relationship for years tends to reduce sexual attraction to eachother. And many people will desire a new, fresh partner. How do you explain that so many marriages end in divorce or that someone cheats? A long monogamous relationship goes against our natural feelings.
The reason people assume we would be polygamous is because so many other animals are.
Which makes sense. From an evolutionary standpoint, this made a lot of scientists scratch their heads. I mean, normally, a male would want to spread his genes as far and as wide as possible to diversify our genetics.
This is how normal animals work. And for them, it's a great tactic in producing many offspring.
The comparisons with other animals begin to break down when you compare us to other animals. Again, for most animals, it doesn't take long between when a female produces offspring and when she can conceive again. And when other animals reproduce, they produce higher number of children.
>A long monogamous relationship goes against our natural feelings.
I just explained how it doesn't.
Our natural feelings are to stay with the same partner so we can nurture a child for as long as possible because this benefits the child. This is instinct. This is how we as humans became a "cut above the rest."
Because we evolved a longer development period. This allowed more brain development. You aren't paying attention.
By STICKING AROUND AND STAYING MONOGAMOUS this created an environment where a longer developmental period in our children to evolve. A longer developmental period in our children meant bigger brain size and better intelligence in adults.
So we _evolved_ the instinct to become monogamous because the species of us that did were more intelligence and better at surviving. Those that did NOT evolve this instinct were not as adept at survival, so the polygamous ancestors did not pass on their genes as well and died off.
Do you understand?
>Even Tony "cuckold" Burch, after celebrating how GREAT polygamy is, afterwards?
Do you guys even know what polygamy is?
It's NOT fornication, you fucktards. It's literally marriage but with multiple women. In other words, your signing a marriage contract with each and every women and upholding her rights.
There are no legitimate polygamists in the US anymore, especially with the death of proper Mormonism.
Most marriages end in divorce in
A: Urban Communities
B: 1st World "progressive" nations.
I do agree that humans lust. It's part of our instincts (This of course, is an oversimplification. We humans also have a very special instinct called jelousy, which is a "higher" instinct in the sense that it is a social, like human contact, and not carnal, like being hungry or fight-or-flight responses). That said, what made us better than every other animal we have seen is the ability to supress those insticts, and help each other even if it affects our own plight.
The same phenomena can be seen in hunger strikers or hermits. They take their resistance to the extream.
It saddens me that most civilized societies forget what made them great in some point of their lifetime.
See: Roman Empire.
Sorry, I forgot to link you to this:
Our instinct is to be monogamous because being monogamous gave a longer developmental period which lead to higher intelligence in humans.
Kind of semantic, but, fine; NON-MONOGAMOUS relationships is substitutable, or, promiscuous relationships.
What made humans evolve to be as intelligent as we are is, arguably, monogamy.
A longer developmental period would not be possible without monogamous or semi-monogamous relationships.
Monagamy played a role, yes. But I think that it's an oversimplification to call it THE reason. My own post made this same mistake. Our inteligence was a multifactorial event, and jelousy, trust, empathy, (most higher needs, really) helped us shape into more inteligent beings. I think that monogamy is a product of these social fellings that eventually lead us to develop even better brain structures and create even larger and more complex societies.
The problem with all this is that while yes, monogamy benefits the child, people still feel the need to have sex with multiple people. Humans aren't some perfectly evolved machine, they have desires that may be counter-intuitive or self-destructive. People cheat on their partner despite having a child with them, because they can't resist their natural instincts.
>How do you explain that so many marriages end in divorce or that someone cheats?
It has been increasing. But has not always been as high as it is in America. In other nations with largely monogamous relationships and marriages, that is not necessarily the case.
>A long monogamous relationship goes against our natural feelings.
Firstly, there's two problems with this.
Foremost, what is natural is not necessarily good. So even if what you supposed that is TRUE?
Who cares if it goes against our feelings?
A long monogamous relationship benefits society, it benefits us, and it benefits our children.
Scientifically speaking, it's inaccurate. That is to say, all fossil record indicates that we went from non-monogamous behavior to more monogamous behavior over time. Which lead to larger brain development.
In order for humans to evolve larger and more complex brains, what was necessary was for our brains to develop for a longer period of time.
Which required us to have a longer childhood.
And in order for us to have a longer childhood, we needed more than a single parent.
Thus, monogamy. It's really that simple.
>normally, a male would want to spread his genes as far and as wide as possible to diversify our genetics.
It's costly in every sense of the word and there is no small community or way to help look out for the children or provide for the child and mother.
In order to be able to cope with a child for 13~ years we had to develop efficient hunting methods that allowed to feed the extra usless members of the tribe.
Walking on two legs allowed us to hunt game no other animal could hunt before and with increased efficiency.
Thus, walking on two legs, simple.
I'm not denying that there ISN'T a desire for human males to reproduce or females. That would be...
Because sex is something that costs only a few hundred calories and lasts only a few minutes. Raising a child is far more time consuming and requires more effort.
For other animals, the male just gets as many females pregnant as possible to make as many offspring as possible instead of wasting all that time that could be spent on ONE family spending it on SEVERAL OTHERS making the odds of his genes surviving greater.
It's basically rolling more dice or being really careful with the one you get.
Absolutely. This gave us the ability to see farther and hunt more and more protein which allowed for better brain development.
Though I suppose it's backpedaling, monogamy isn't the ONLY thing.
I'm just arguing here that it did become an instinctual thing.
And it's not like there's not other instincts at play.
And IGNORING all this.
Just looking at what we KNOW about single parent homes.
We know from STATISTICS that homes without fathers do worse. Homes with only one parent do worse.
ALL THAT aside.
If you're looking at JUST companionship.
JUST sex for intimacy.
Then that's a different argument and engaging in THAT requires you look at something else completely.
As I said, I wasn't ignoring the role of monogamy, and I did say that societies that break appart from that norm are usually well on their way towards their colapse. What I am saying is that the instinct "lust" exists, but there are other instincts that help us counter it to be monogamus.
Again, as I said, I agree with you in mostly everything, I just didn't agree that it was the ONE AND ONLY factor.
Where is the largest and more heavily fundamental concentration of the Muslim religion?
Got it? Got the picture? Good. Those are the people that feminists should have a problem with.
Now, what is the skin colour of the vast majority of the people there?
Of course it isn't the only factor. Is that backpedaling on my part maybe? Could be.
Anyway, if you wanted things to get really complicated, all while this was happening, sexual dimorphism in humans happened.
Minecraft IS violent against women.
You're sposed to kill the witch. She's a woman.
The cows are all female, and you kill them for steaks.
Also, you don't know that the skeletons aren't woman bones, do you?
>Because sex is something that costs only a few hundred calories and lasts only a few minutes. Raising a child is far more time consuming and requires more effort.
>For other animals, the male just gets as many females pregnant as possible to make as many offspring as possible instead of wasting all that time that could be spent on ONE family spending it on SEVERAL OTHERS making the odds of his genes surviving greater.
>It's basically rolling more dice or being really careful with the one you get.
Costs only a few hundred calories and lasts only a few minutes?
I don't think I'm physically capable of that. I mean goddamn even jacking off takes me damn near an hour.
Anyway, it's physically, emotionally, mentally, and resource intensive.
Taking care of 8 wives(and I don't mean just money I mean taking care of them emotionally and fucking to back off of that pussy well enough to keep her faithful and taking care of the kids and business) and well over ten children(almost fucking impossible to take care of that many kids and be a good father instead of just a provider and protector) in a modern or even small town is nigh impossible for a single man that isn't devoting his entire existence to the task.
Even the biggest stud out there isn't trying to knock up every woman he sees and just leaving her preggers. That's possible but some part of him will still want to know if their okay.
I mean, damn, I've fucked a few women(and lesbians)bowlegged and left them passed out and dripping semen, but I can't just honestly see them as someone to simply emotionally drop or distance myself from without a good reason. Or at the very least out of sight out of mind and just forgetting them and not remembering at all.
Turkey's national hero was a fedora. Look up some of the shit he said.
>I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men.
> For nearly five hundred years, these rules and theories [regarding civil and criminal law] of an Arab Shaikh and the interpretations of generations of lazy and good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and criminal law of Turkey. They have decided the form of the Constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learned in his schools, his customs, his thoughts-even his most intimate habits. This theology of an immoral Arab [presented as Islam] is a dead thing. Possibly it might have suited tribes in the desert. It is no good for modern, progressive state. God's revelation! There is no God! These are only the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down. A ruler who needs religion is a weaklings. No weaklings should rule!
What the fucking fuck? This can't be serious. What kind of scapegoat bullshit is this supposed to be? Can any Turks explain what's actually going on here? What dumb stunt did Erdogan pull this time?