>200 years after the Great War >it looks like the bombs

>>275792130
>actual societies and farming rebounding out west
>DC citizens still subsist on 200-year old boxes of cereal and canned food

>>275792619

THANKS OBAMA

>Bethesda tries to justify it by saying "DC was hit by more bombs"

>>275792130
It looks more edgy like this

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>there are people who think 3 is better than NV

>>275792739
Doesn't it make sense to nuke the shit out of the political center of the Us instead of California which is filled with useless niggers and hippies

>>275792948
What are you going to nuke, their dead bodies?

>you will never play 3 for the first time in your life again

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I started playing fallout 3. And thought it was a prequel to fallout 1 due to the conversations with the megaton citizens. Later notice it's the 23th century. u wot m8. Actually think. Maybe the NCR recovered nuclear abilities and renuked parts of the east in some war. But no. Bethesda is simply a retarded fishfrog.

>>275792130
This is part of what I really hate about the Fallout series. Take a look at the New Vegas strip. This is a piece of land that's being run by several people with robot guards that can hold conversations. All this in mind, why in the FUCK is there trash everywhere? Trash is fucking EVERYWHERE it's disgusting. They couldn't ask the robots to pick any up? The people living there don't clean anything? What the fuck

>this thread again

>>275793225
>But no. Bethesda is simply a retarded fishfrog.
No, Bethesda is just copying generic post apocalyptic-related shit and putting it in the game(s)

Enclave is best faction

>>275792898
NV is pretty trash, nothing but

>have you been to the new vegas strip yet?!
>oh my god you gotta see the strip it's INCREDIBLE
>holy shit you haven't been yet? You better go right now
>oh mur gherd so many games and fun at the new vegas strip!
>few hours later finally show up
>trash everywhere
>very few decent quests
>only fucking blackjack and NO POKER or betting
>no difference between casinos
>nothing at all interesting about the strip

>>275793225
I don't even know why we have mutants in fo3.

>>275793527
I can bet my hat they're going to re-use the enclave in the next game.

>>275792130
You already made the exact same thread.

>>275793592
This so fucking hard.

>>275793731
And I'll make it tomorrow to piss off people like you.

>>275793643
Don't small amounts of Enclave troops still exist in, what, Chicago or something? I wouldn't really mind the Enclave being in game so long as it's similar to NV or you fix the Enclave and then lead them to victory

So, what happened to China in the mean time. They seemed victorious? How was the rest of the world doing?

>>275792130
>nuclear fallout everywhere
>vaults had supplies to last them so only now did they bother venturing out

WHERE THE FLYING FUCK IS FALLOUT 4?

DOES BETHESDA NOT WA

>Bombs dropped 200 years ago
>There is still rubble in the streets and rooves missing where people have been living for decades
Seriously what the hell. I get that it's post-apocalyptic, but why would there be doors with rubble blocking them hundreds of years after the war?

>>275793868
>Don't small amounts of Enclave troops still exist in, what, Chicago or something?
there was a small pocket of enclave in chicago but nothing big enough to cause damage.

I don't think we will be able to join the enclave, never ever.

>>275793902
they are dead

all dead

a giant radioactive crater

>>275794013
>WHERE THE FLYING FUCK IS FALLOUT 4?
During an interview back in february the toddler said there won't be a fallout game till the next generation of consoles.

>>275793592
And it's still better than 3

>>275793956
Except everywhere you go everyone's been outside the vaults for decades.

>>275793902
Europe is still glowing, africa is a shithole as usual, nobody of importance lives in australia same as our world, russia got nuked, no one cares about south america but south americans

>>275794254
What about south east asia

>People keep forgetting that Mr.House built a defense system to destroy any nuke in orbit that came even close to vegas
>People wonder why the capital of the entire country is basically dust and radiation

>>275793527
Man I fucking love the enclave, if they managed to not fuck it up I wouldn't mine them shitting on the story once again and putting them back in.

>>275793835
What an attention whore.

>>275793592
I'm wondering whether or not that was intentional, that people hold this small bit of quasi paradise up to such a high regard because they don't have much else to live for. Of course it's bethesda so it could just be shitty design

>>275794773
It's obsidian actually

And I like to think it's intentional

>>275794136
>there won't be another Fallout for about 6 years

Bullfuckingshit.

>>275794413
No. The first two games were set west of Vegas, and closer to the bombs dropping. The first game everything was mostly a disaster, but there was still minor agriculture, like in Shady Sands. By 2, Shady Sands had become the NCR, and things were generally looking up.

>>275792130
That's the main issue with Fallout 3.
From this aspect, NV surpasses F3.

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>>275794136
It hurts that I know I'll never be able to play as an Enclave troop

>>275794434
That'd be a fucking dream come true but it won't happen

>>275794773
It's just shity engine.

>>275792739
>Hit by more bombs
>Anything at all still standing
Can't wait for Bethesda to release Fallout: Neo York and reveal New York survived pretty decently as well.

>>275794773
Consoles could not take their design for the strip or freeside. That's why there are those dumb loading zones everywhere.
Pc fixes that.

>>275794947
not him but this is what the toddler said: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/18/apparently-we-wont-hear-about-fallout-4-for-a-while/

>>275795159
>New York survived well
In reality, it would probably be flooded due to a tidal wave created by all of those Nukes in DC.

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Why are Ponyfags attracted to Fallout 3 so much ?

>>275792619
Cocky city people got what they deserved

>>275793592
>no poker
>implying poker is a specific game and not a genre of card games
holy fuck people are retarded

>>275795279
Because muh atmosphere

So literally autism

>>275795316
a card game played by two or more people who bet on the value of the hands dealt to them. A player wins the pool either by having the highest combination at the showdown or by forcing all opponents to concede without a showing of the hand, sometimes by means of bluff.

So you're wrong.

>>275793338
because the devs of these games are insanely lazy and just choose a "wasteland" tileset to cover their games in, and they're fucking awful

>>275795159
>look south from rivet city
>tons of buildings in the background
>can't explore them at all
exploring decrepit buildings was the best thing about fallout 3 except for point lookout

>>275795316
Actually poker is a specific game. It's the one where you hold 5 cards, discard and draw more. That's called poker, everything else like stud or hold em have their own names

>calling others retarded

>>275794978
>Clean water
>Protection
>Steady supply of food
>Carefree lifestyle

In a world where bandits, mutants and super-wasps roam free, that is a paradise.

>>275795258
And in reality, DC should be a smouldering, glowing crater, but it isn't.

In the advent of an actual nuclear war New York is one place I fully expect to be completely just gone, utterly gone, but I'm sure Bethesda would think up some monkey wrench excuse for how they survived so we could go inside the empire state building or the statue of liberty or something.

>>275795316
Holy fuck your autistic to care

>>275792130
>Some CEO builds a laser defence network to defend his dream city
>Entire US government doesn't do shit to defend their capitol

>>275795279

No laws telling them they can't sew children together to make hideous centaur ponies

>200 year old potato chips
>bag still sealed and fresh
>chips aren't stale
>loot dead body
>fresh rat meat
>in a body that had been dead for god knows how long
>in the middle of a fucking cave system
>or mutant lair
>untouched by all that pass

>>275795508
Was meant for
>>275794773

>>275795342
>enjoying a games atmosphere is now autistic

>>275795249
I-it hurts.
Clamming up about the VA is intredasting, though.
>>275795508
>>275795637
There's other places like that. NCR itself, for example.

>>275795578
Fallout doesn't really do realism well. They need to make a fallout in the style of Operation Metro.

>>275792130
Wait a minute this thread

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poker
they have poker, moron.

>>275795473
what you described is literally stud. Poker is the genre, stud is the game.

>>275795439
>>275795541
you're dumb and wrong.

>>275795765
When it's the only thing keeping you from admitting NV is a superior game, yes it is

>>275795813
whats a battlefield 3 map has to do with anything

>>275793902
They got fucked harder than america was, that's for sure

>>275795813
Fallout doesn't need to do realism well. It's always been about wacky SCIENCE! I know you're talking about non-lore things, but that's really just tedious muh immersion shit.

>>275795828
>what you described is literally stud. Poker is the genre, stud is the game.
No.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stud_poker
Jesus christ stop talking about things you know nothing about

>>275795895
Lol. Freudian slip, my bad. I meant Metro 2033

>>275795279
Because of the fanfic I guess.

The thing that annoys me the most about the Bethesda Fallouts is the lack of story behind the locations in the world.

FO and FO2 had tons of locations and most of them had some kind of story behind them as you sifted through the clues strewn around. FO3 and NV have things like 'Chucklefuck's shack', which is just another shed plonked in the middle of nowhere full of clipboards and fucking leather belts

>>275796056
book or game?

>>275796009
not him, but >>275795578 is wrong. saying NV doesn't have poker is wrong. it does.

>>275796106
>full of clipboards and fucking leather belts
2True

>>275796187
Not that guy but definetly Book

>>275794136

As in, PS5 and Xbox 1000? The fuck? Why wait that long?

>>275796187
The game. I think it's mechanics would fit well in a 3D Fallout (Trading with bullets, Visible ammo, A sneak that somewhat works, Masks with filters, the HUD is physically on your body)

But it's Obsidian and Bethesda we're talking about

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>>275794254
I think I know what the Australians are really doing

>>275795980
Science! was always the best thing about Fallout imo. What really set it apart from a lot of other shit

>>275796403
They're probably lying, I wouldn't be surprised if they release something by next Christmas since everyone would have Next Gen consoles by then.

All of the major issues with this game are erased if you pretend that it's only been 20 years or even less
Woah.... only one digit changed...

>>275796218
You stupid or something? There's no Poker in NV. You're confused with Blackjack, they have Blackjack in your shitty game. Not glorious Poker.

>>275796510
Hopefully that Mad Max game will actually be good and do justice to The Road Warrior and Mad Max.

>>275795810
It's all perspective. NCR "takes" from you, House "wins" it from you.

>>275796647
except for the game is still awful.

>>275796685
jesus christ you people are thick. blackjack is a type of poker. poker is not a specific game.

>>275796775
Stop posting already. >>275795473

>>275796454
oh i was more about setting
in 2033 book
people are dying in metro, slowly human race day after day nears it's extinction

they live in absolute darkness, have rotten skin no teeth, looks like death camp prisoners.

>>275796725
NCR takes from me?

>>275796695
>game

>>275796819
but that's wrong, you fucking retard

>>275796775
you're worse than the southerners that call mountain dew coke

>>275795549
Always wondered this. Why the fuck they just leave everything and get destroyed

>>275796735
It's not though, it's fun, it's satisfying. It's certainly a better use of the terrible Gamebryo engine than Oblivion was. Melee combat is absolutely fucking horrid on this engine but at least guns are fun

I had enough fun just pulling off ridiculous VATS kills where people blew into chunks for no reason or ragdolled out. Shot some fucker into space with the launcher you can stick anything in. Plates and teddy bears killing niggas left and right

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Guys.

What would a game set in DC 200 years AFTER Fallout 3 look like?

Would the vegetation oasis have spread? Would the Enclave or Brotherhood have an effective government? Whats your two cents?

>>275796943
>?

>>275796775
>red is blue

You see how stupid you sound now? Everyone here keeps telling you to pack your bags and go home but you just keep going ahead and making a fool of yourself if you want.

>>275796945
Anyone who has the least bit of knowledge in poker games knows that the term "poker" refers to the classic 5 card game

>>275796950
That's because they call moonshine mountain dew

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>>275797115
oh, there's both a new movie AND a game coming out, huh

>>275797112
>Would the vegetation oasis have spread?
That could make for a graphically beautiful game. Imagine everything covered in choking ivy.

But
>Gamebryo

>>275796885
They come in and start taxing people. It was pretty much the main reason people didn't want them in the Mojave.

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>>275795279

>>275797071
you're an idiot though.

>>275797219
https://madmaxgame.com/age_gate/

>>275797309
>stop having fun
>fallout is such a serious series guiz
I enjoyed blowing people into chunks in the first two as well, faggot

>>275797231
>Gamebryo

I know I know, I think doing a Fallout type game in the Souls engine might be cool. I mean just the engine, not done in the same style or gameplay.

>>275797198
So they're double wrong, then. What did your elementary school teacher tell you about 2 wrongs, anon, assuming you have an education?

>>275797292
I don't see anything wrong with what Airborne Spitfire said. But that doesn't make FO3 good.

Honestly, this is a problem that Fallout has in general, not just 3.

In New Vegas:

-old roads are torn up and cracked; haven't been torn out in towns and replaced with dirt roads or something
-dangerous abandoned houses are still standing and being used
-everything is dirty and broken; no focused attempts to clean and repair have been made
-some semblance of unified government and organized workforces beyond community peacekeepers and farmers are just starting to get established

And all of this is 200 years after the bombs dropped.

>>275795828
Let me guess. You play texas hold em very mediocrely with your friends and are now a poker player and a massive, massive faggot?

>>275797415
you're still braindead

>>275797292
Holy shit this image is perfect

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>>275797231
>>275797112

>That could make for a graphically beautiful game.

It would literally have been Skyrim with guns.

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>>275793592

Being an actually vegas fag and avid poker player this feel is 100x worse

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>>275796454
The Fallout series has always prided itself on being slightly zany and B-movie science fiction. That's why there's the TARDIS, aliens, giant mutant ants, etc.

I feel a 'realistic' portrayal of the game would do more harm than good.

>>275797605
It's like they forgot that Fallout should be post post-apocalypse.

>>275797292
>ponyfags actually being right

What has the world come to?

>>275797547
this
I liked NV but I didn't like how it really forced you to explore the map in the way it wanted you to for a good portion of the game

>>275797829

200 years post-apocalypse, with no aliens or machines or anything preventing humanity from rebuilding.

>skeleton sat up right next to city enterence
>been chilling there for like 200 years
>check the body
>34 bottlecaps and a pack of smokes

No one in the last 200 years thought to check that dead guys pockets? all the people that walked past it to get into the city NOT ONE thought to look and see if he had shit or even move him?

>>275797937
I don't agree with the"I have to be handheld through games", but he is correct in the fact that NV almost forced you in one direction. Every time I play the game no matter how hard I try, I always find myself ending up in The Strip first.

>>275797948
>200 years post-apocalypse, with no aliens or machines or anything preventing humanity from rebuilding

except for giant deathclaws, murderous roaming robots, giant mutated insects, and high levels of radiation scattered everywhere

>>275798071
It's a video-game, son. Loot needs a chest to be placed in.

>Game loot is realistic
>Find not even one useful thing for the whole game because while you were in the vault for 200 years every useful thing was being scavenged
It may not be a good idea

>>275798247
That's what guns were for.

>>275798071
Its even worse if you think about it.

>its a skeleton
>doesn't even have pockets
>the loot simply layed out in the open
>at best, in it's ribcage or on its hipbones

>>275798167
>I always find myself ending up in The Strip first.
Just do a shit ton of sidequests first. Hell I think I did HH before going near vegas

>>275798425
I did lonesome road before I went into the strip.

>>275797948
Except there were aliens, machines (robots), various mutated fauna, areas with heavy radiation, irradiated water, and no semblance of society or government leading to murderous bandit gangs.

>>275798379
>Having to rob people for decent loot because anything you find in the wastes is literally shit.

Sounds better than you think.

Does FO3 have retarded level-scaling?

>>275798379
Get out of here with your logic and reason

>>275798672
>Becoming bandit scum

>>275798672
I think they should of built up on the Raiders more. In reality, a faction of Raiders would be terrifying.

>>275798247

I don't see those things walking around town.

It makes sense that people wouldn't rebuild in Terminator or zombie apocalypses or whatever, since they can barely go outside, much less start fixing things.

Not the case here.

Also-

>I hate Fallout 3 because there's no way that it should look that way 200 years later!
>Same for New Vegas.
>It's post-apocalypse, of course it looks that way!

Make up your mind, retard. Is making concessions to common sense in the name of atmosphere acceptable or not?

>>275794403
what the fuck is south east asia

>>275798878
I just said >Should of

>>275798790
I think its more or less oblivion's system, so you'd see common critters replaced with deathclaws after a while.

>>275798891
>being american

>>275798891
Vietnam and the Philippines. General shitholes.

>>275799046
basically the whole game is procedual as far as enemies go. it's absolute trash

>>275798862
>Yfw good karma.

>>275798881
>>275798398

I'm not excusing lazy design but given how dangerous the world outside is I can suspend my disbelief well enough to enjoy it. Really the problem is that they decided to make the game take place so long after FO2

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>>275799227
Would help if I used a picture....

>>275793868

We won't get another game in Chicago anytime soon. Publishers will look at Watch_Dogs and be gunshy of anything that relates to it even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not kidding, this is how stupid publishers and producers are.

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>>275798790
>>275799046
Some areas will always have molerats and shit running around, but for most of the wasteland it'll be packs of Albino radscorps and Ghoul Reavers eventually
>mfw fast travelling to Rockbreaker's Last Gas

>>275795159
>Neo York
That sounds catchy.

>>275795541
*you're* idiot

>>275799134
no change then, probably

>>275798247
Fallout 1 had all that shit too, still showed people rebuilding

The entire point of the series is that even with all of that shit running around life still finds a way to continue

>>275798672
>Implying you can find a gun and ammo fresh out of vault
>Implying hardened survivors would be scared of a young pussy just wandered out of his vault
Making Fallout realistic is not a good idea

>>275797112
>vegetation has mutated wildly
>newer animals like crocodiles and carnivorous birds appear for the water supply
>marauders and tougher raiders have been appearing in massive numbers
>the super mutants roam the radioactive forests
>the brotherhood of steel is getting stretched thin, and they'll recruit pretty much anyone
>liberty prime has been altered for manual control
>treeminders have become the nature version of the brotherhood

>FO 3
>Sacrificing the lower end of the population for the well being of civilisation is considered bad ending
Why ?

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>>275799745
>Find a gun and ammo fresh out of a vault.
Happened in FO3.
>Hardened survivors scared of a young pussy wandered out of his vault.
Also happened in FO3, they got killed easily.

>>275799460
Fallout 3's Reavers were damn tough. NV toned them down a lot.

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>>275800021
There was literally nothing wrong with poisoning the waterhole

>>275799647
Actually, the entire point of the series is that no matter what happens, people will continue to war and fight over the same shit for the same reasons never learning from their past mistakes.

That is why they were going to nuke the west again in Van Buren.

Its a cycle.

>>275800195
I don't know if they ever patched it, but I remember they would spaz out occasionally and become invincible for a short while and that was fucking crazy

>>275794113
well, it could have all been hand waved away by claiming people had recently moved back to dc. but bethesda.

Like,
>dc was nuked hard
>nobody could get hjere, it took us 200 years to clear the way and gather supplies to start an expedition out here

but no

>hurr we leiv haer since tehb ombbs dro plol want some 200 year old soda?

>>275800137
>big iron

>>275800354
>spaz out occasionally and become invincible for a short while

Oh yes, I remember. That was pretty annoying.

>>275800254
>all super mutants die
>all radscorpions die
>all raiders die
>people that are left are already partially civilized and can easily rebuild

this would be bad how? DC is is barely surviving as it is

>>275800559
Still the best song

>>275792130
>over 6 years after Fallout 3 released
>people still posting the same stupid shit that has been explained a million times.

>E) Open Metal Box
>Medical Clipboard
>Coffee Mug
>Clipboard
>Pencil
fuck

>Post-Old World Blues
>E) Open Metal Box
>Medical Clipboard
>Coffee Mug
>Clipboard
>Pencil
fucking GOLDMINE

>>275800618
I was agreeing with you.

>>275800706
>not grabbing all pencils anyway because weightless

>>275800706
>Not taking pencils from the government agent machine

>>275800706
>Not stealing pencils off people you kill

>>275795159
go re-read Fallout 1 lore, most countires around the world stopped using the kind of nuclear bombs we have in our world and instead switched to precise tactical nuclear warheads that had a far smaller explosion, but produced many times more radiation.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Nuclear_bombs
>In the Fallout world, megaton-class thermonuclear weapons had largely been retired by the major nuclear powers in favor of much smaller-yield warheads by the time of the Great War. An average strategic warhead in 2077 had a yield of about 200-750 kilotons, but with a massive increase in radioactive fallout in place of thermal shock, much like a neutron bomb in our own world. However, despite the apparent reduction in raw explosive power, this arsenal was far more dangerous to the Earth's ecosystem, as it deposited far greater amounts of fallout in the atmosphere than had been assumed by pre-War models.

>>275800438
would be interesting if all towns in DC existed on the fringes because of the radiation and only recently have exploratory parties been entering

the only true settlement in DC is a group of ghouls that are highly unhappy their quiet isolation is being broken and actively try to keep humans out. For the rest all that lives there are barely sapient mutants caused by a higher than average concentration of FEV without a master like figure to turn the mutants useful and a load of irradiated raiders that don't know how dangerous radiation is and basically come there to kill, fuck, get drunk and die

>>275801053
>read fallout lore
I sincerely hope you don't do this. Fallout is a fun lil game but to take it seriously you have to be a complete idiot.

>>275801229
>point out "plot hole"
>get proven wrong
>LOLOL NERD WHY READ

>>275801229
>OP complains about Fallout 3 not making sense
>DON'T BOTHER WITH THE LORE GUYS!
So why does this thread exist again?

>>275792130
That's because Bethesda can't into Fallout. They dumped the Enclave and BoS into DC and made the BoS into big hero dudes, what did you expect?

>>275801229
>stop enjoying things
>he says this IN A FALLOUT THREAD
Nice b8!

>>275800137
what's so special about cheyenne's eyes? They're talking about Sunny's dog right?

>>275801447
They pop out of her head and float sideways.

All Ink Spots songs are the best songs in their respective games.

>>275797605
I don't get any of this.
>Cars and motorcycles seem to be really rarely used in New Vegas, and most traffic is pedestrian or animal so the roads being damaged doesn't matter
>The only threat to those buildings in a desert is erosion, and only poor people, addicts, and beggars tend to live in the really run-down ones
>The Strip is really the only place that's been repaired to a significant degree; also the NCR and Caesar's Legion are invading forces, the Mojave has been left to itself for years and years with no centralized authority
>The only thing that's confusing is House's pre-Courier power vaccuum. Freeside, Novac, Goodsprings, etc. all kind of have their own jurisdiction and sovereignty on a small level

None of this really sticks out to me while playing, I don't know

>>275801330
It's really stupid, I'm sorry but if you can't see that you're below me.

>>275801354
I don't know it's a shit thread.

>>275801428
You can enjoy Fallout, just don't be a complete loser and take it seriously. It's just a fun little game, the story itself is garbage.

>>275801605
and before you ask, there is a very damn good reason nobody uses cars and motorcycles: almost all oil in the entire world was used up a few decades before the great war and the little supplies that are left are impossible to reach for the current level of civilization

>>275798379
It's a better idea than you'd think. I was watching my friend try to play Fallout 3, and he accidentally installed a mod that made the game much harder than he had intended to make it.

Loot ended up being really rare, so he was constantly toting around 5 different guns with 20 bullets in them each. Every ammunition drop was a godsend, and I still think he has trouble finding water even after he uninstalled the mods. Every water source adds like 30+ Rads, it's fucking ridiculous.

It was fun as fuck to watch, though.

>>275801447
Super common glitch where they pop out of her head. Closer to when the game was released, every fucking Fallout thread had a guy posting about the glitch as if no one had seen it.

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>>275801826
Vehicles in FO run on nuclear power, not fossil fuels.

>>275801826
>autistis take this as a serious story

Bwahahahahhahahqahah please I can't even.

>>275798672
Shit dude, that's an amazing idea.

>200 years after nuclear explosion
>WELP THERE'S NO MORE GRASS OR PLANT LIFE EVER AGAIN LOL

This pisses me off more than anything. I want to fucking see naturally reclaimed landscapes.

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>>275801821
>just don't be a complete loser
Why can't you disgusting fucking normalslime leave this site?

>>275801821
you're the one who takes it serious to begin with
minute you pointed out a plothole is the minute you took it serious

>>275801989
nuclear vehicles were only released to the public a few years before the bombs hit, there are very few around and even less in working condition

>>275793592

say thanks to limited console hardware, bethesda's amazing engine and only 1 year of development granted to the devs, seriously why do they even bother releasing games of this scope on underpowered hardware? It was okay to skip the Wii 1 but GOD forbid that RPG must be on ps360 at all costs! it will surely run with that amount of ram amirite???

fucking idiots

>>275800438
I was actually thinking of New Vegas when I wrote that post, which now makes even less sense since I remembered they were shielded from almost all of their bombs

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>>275794773
>haunted casinos with crowd sounds
deepestest fucking lore

>>275801821
Im not the ones you've been arguing with.

I agree that you shouldn't take video game stories and lore seriously, but it enhances the experience if the lore is consistent, deep, and somewhat plausible. At least thats my opinion.

>>275801605
Not him, but there is a lot of shit about NV that doesn't add up

>They say the city wasn't hit in the war because of House.
>99% of the city is leveled for no explainable reason and all the debris is missing.

>They say the water is clean because House deflected most of the misses.
>Every single town's water tower is irradiated for no explainable reason.

>They say they used billboards to make the Vegas walls.
>All billboards still have their signs up and there are no poles from billboards that they took signs down from.

>Vegas was a city basically untouched by the war, and had clean water, but no one was able to make farms, outside of Goodsprngs and Nellis, until the NCR and House showed up 7 years ago.
>On top of that there was no attempts to make civilization, everyone was either wandering nomadic tribes or people who lived in caves and were cannibals.


So they had almost no farms, the only big source of clean water was the lake which is many miles away from most towns in south Vegas, and the local plat and animal life is so small there is no way they could have survived on just that for 200 years without grossly depopulating the local plantlife to near extinction....

so what did they eat?

>>275802065
most of it was in a desert anyway innit
jungley place would be coll

>>275802203
Really? Every vehicle I've ever, EVER found in a fallout game has been nuclear.

>>275802203
Most cars in fo3 and NV were nuclear powered, and according to Avellone, one in 200 people in the NCr has a working car.

>>275802420
Fallout 3 essentially retconned it. The Highwayman from 2 ran on MFCs, I think.

>>275802420
because gas was going at like $7200 a gallon, there weren't any personal vehicles running on it anymore

and really how many vehicles do you find in fallout 1 and 2?

>>275802420
There is a car in the second one that runs on MFCs

>>275802065
Also forgot
>And everything is permanently brown

>>275802649
Not him, but MFC

Micro FUSION cell

aka NUCLEAR FUSION

>>275802472
highwayman in 2 isn't true nuclear powered, its reasonable to assume most vehicles in NCR are similar to it
most cars in 3 were nuclear powered because Bethesda decided it was fun if wars were bombs and most cars in NV are nuclear powered because limited dev time so no chance to create new models

>>275802076
>normalslime
I guess being smart makes me a normalslime now?

>>275802101
>incredibly obvious plot hole from the beginning
>pointing it out calling the lore trash makes me take it serious
>you're actually this stupid

>>275802270
You're a good guy, I don't really think the lore is terrible or anything it's just got a lot of things that make you realize why it's only enjoyed as a game and never anything more.

>>275802583
>>275802578
>>275802649

Never played them.

>>275802753
>highwayman in 2 isn't true nuclear powered
Yes it is, it runs on micro-fusion cells, mini portable nuclear generators.

>>275802772
everything is a plothole to you because if we provide an explanation it suddenly is LORE THRASH LOL NERD WHY READ
but have fun moving those goalposts

>>275802753
>most cars in NV are nuclear powered because limited dev time so no chance to create new models
Problem isn't model, it's the explosion, which could have been easily removed or replaced with a normal explosion.

>>275792898
Did they fix the no evil companians in NV yet?
Just started playing it again and got all the DLC that i never had before

>>275802772
Jesus Christ I HOPE this is bait. If not, read the rules. It says that you need to be at least 18 years old to view this site.

>>275795279
Because:
1. Atmosphere
2. Story was more coherent and flashed out
3. The world itself seemed more dangerous and tempting
4. Quest design is light years away from everything Obsidian fools can even dream of
5. No stupid, mostly useless "factions" that only have a few quests and other than that are completely useless
6. The game itself not losing momentum after 15 hours
... to name but a few

>>275802852
true but the way it works is closer to an electric car than an actually full onboard nuclear reactor
they're basically small but powerful batteries

>>275802852
Imagine if MFC's were invented 15 years earlier

>>275798071
And for that matter, why the hell did he have bottlecaps on him? Those weren't accepted as currency pre-war.

>>275803115
MFCs had been around for awhile actually, the problem was they burnt out really quickly.

>>275792130
I can't even play New Vegas anymore because of this, it didn't bother me back when it first released but now it just too ridiculous for me to get immersed in, not even autistic about this type of thing usually but everyone still acting like 50s hipsters, crumbling pre-war buildings everywhere still which everyone still use for housing never even building new settlements is just lazy and dumb.

>>275802328
>so what did they eat?
PORK N' BEANS

>>275799380
>Ads in a child's bedroom rather than proper posters
Lazy Bethesda

>>275802956
No the whole thing is trash because it's stupid and only appeals to children and teens. Everyone else knows the story is just a joke, that's why everything in Fallout is so comedic. The writers know it's a joke but you don't, that's just sad.

>>275803058
>oh no I'm proven stupid
>better resort to insults

>>275803367
Crams rather

>>275803016
most cars in NV actually don't explode if you shoot them, try it out

>>275802772
>You're a good guy
Thanks man.

Yeah when it comes to video games in general, you pretty much always have to suspend your disbelief about something, but that doesn't make it a bad game.

Take Dark Souls for example. The world has a consistency when it comes to world lore and how the combat mechanics work. Attacks, damage and movement all seem realistic for the setting its in, but when it comes to magic and demons and unexplained lore bits, you just have to shrug it off. Doesn't make it a bad game because of it though.

>>275802328
>99% of the city is leveled for no explainable reason and all the debris is missing
The Mojave is a desert. 200 Years of erosion would wear away almost anything. You could make an argument for erosion selectively effecting the Mojave, but it's a fucking video game. There is a perfectly logical explanation.

>Every single town's water tower is irradiated for no explainable reason
The Mojave is full of nuclear waste. There's tons of nuclear waste barrels out in the open, in caves, in buildings. It accumulated in the groundwater over 200 years. There are a lot of fresh water sources in the wastes, like Goodsprings, the tap in Freeside, and the Colorado.

>Billboards
Good point. They could have taken the billboard posts down with the billboards themselves, but you're right.

There are a lot of farms. Goodsprings, Freeside, Westside, and Nellis have their own farms. There's also a lot of previously occupied farmland outside of Westside and Freeside. It's a desert, agriculture, especially in a harsh climate where water sources are contaminated, is difficult. I don't think there needs to be some kind of centralized civilization; the Mojave is composed of roving bands of raiders and tribals - Freeside, Novac, and a few other places kind of organized on their own over time.

>>275803437
you don't either because you took it seriously enough to point out a plot hole
if its a joke why bother?
Unless course, the joke is to intelligent for the likes of you, its possible it happens all the time, you just didn't notice.

>>275803058
Probably b8, but there's plenty of adults that genuinely describe themselves as "smart".
Better to ignore.
>>275803521
I'm well aware. "Most" is the important part. Fallout 3 also had totally gutted rides.

>>275792130
That's how people in the fifties imagined it would be like.
And that's what Fallout is supposed to be: The post-apocalyptic future as imagined by people in 50s. There's obviously going to be some logic fail, but that's the way she goes.

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>>275793956
>Wood structures still standing after 200 years of no maintenance and being blown up
>Electricity still works in a lot of places
>Plumbing still works just about everywhere
>Many buildings still largely intact
>Roads are still largely intact; can still see paint on the pavement, interstates are still standing, cement is broken up but still in very large chunks and not gravel
>Pre-war food and drinks haven't rotted away or been eaten yet in 200 years
>Cars still intact

FO3 looks correct if the game were set 10 years after the bombs dropped. But it's set 200 years later. To put that in perspective, the American revolution was roughly 200 years ago. That's the amount of time we're talking about here. Think about how rare it is to find something left over from the Revolution, much less the Civil War, and that's despite civilization being around the whole time to keep things preserved and in working order.

To give you an idea of just how quickly buildings fall apart when abandoned, here's a picture I took of a building I explored that had only been abandoned for 10 years. Notice how it looks even worse than the buildings you explore in FO3.

>>275803325

They made buildings. Not a whole lot but there are a few. And they did make settlements look at jacobstown and new vegas. They built a wall around new vegas and the gun runners place. The sharecroppers is full of little buildings put together from scrap too.

>>275803198
nah according to the wiki MFC's had been around only for a short time

>>275803064
>The game itself not losing momentum after 15 hours
if you don't have something, sure as fuck you won't lose it

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>>275803692
And here's what happened to the generator room after 10 years of neglect.

>>275802328
>so what did they eat?
preserved food from before the war, like fallout 3
local flora and fauna - like half the vendors in the game carry gecko / brahmin / bighorner food
crops like maize when they could
stuff

apparently there are bighorner and brahmin barons in the west, too

>>275792130
>houses and shacks people have been living in for years
>shelves filled with burnt out books and trash

>>275803692
>>275803847
did you take these pics, anon?

>>275803642
>Freeside, Westside
both of those were built after the NCr showed up.

>There's also a lot of previously occupied farmland outside of Westside and Freeside
None of which shows any occupation in the last 200 years.

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>Fallout and Elder Scrolls lore threads.

>>275803939
>did you take these pics, anon?
Right before he got raped

>>275803908
The ruined books were the worst. Trash at least has the potential to be useful, cans for containers, maybe some sentimental value to shit like a rollerskate.

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>>275803939
Yep. Inside an abandoned children's psychiatric hospital.

Found this inside the playroom.

>>275804130
>Not collecting every book to preserve civilization

Who cares

Fallout 3 is shit anyway

>>275804169
How quaint. He went STALKING.

>>275804169
>Yep. Inside an abandoned children's psychiatric hospital.
In rhode island?

>It's the capitol
>It got hit harder than any other location in the country
>The radiation and debris is just lingering
>Any "rehabilitation" in the area has been lost due to Supermutants

Yeah, I can buy it.

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>>275804169
Shit was straight out of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Had to go around with a gas mask on too the whole time because of all the asbestos and mold.

>>275804445
Get out of here stalker.

>>275804445
I remember when a few friends of mine started hatching a plot to explore some abandoned silos before they got taken down, I fucking insisted I went because they were all idiots who didn't understand what they were doing. Forced them all to bring masks and I packed a first aid kit, plus I actually had the qualifications to use the damn thing. Went well, all things considered.

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>>275804303
Nope, Georgia. They tore the place down a few years ago sadly. A real shame, it was so cool. Was made up of several buildings on a campus all connected through underground tunnels that were littered with gurneys and wheelchairs and shit. Also had an abandoned greenhouse and mansion on the campus too.

>>275804779
I've never quite understood how building just get left behind like that.

>>275797341
Jesus Christ.
The video game industry is run by idiots.

>>275804779
So it was like that one series of buildings in the marble hornets videos?

>>275797341
>Mad Max car build thing
I fucking bet they put the wheel on the wrong side.

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>>275804967
The US has been getting rid of mental institutions for awhile now. This one ended up getting sold to a nearby university that had intended to use everything as an additional campus, but the funding fell through after they bought it so everything sat unused and rotted away. Then I guess they finally got funding but realized those buildings were beyond repair and tore them down.

Also, here's the ballroom.

IF U WERE KILLED TOMORROW, I WOULDNT GO 2 UR FUNERAL CUZ ID B N JAIL 4 KILLIN DA MOTHA FUKER THAT KILLED U!


..._.....____________________, ,
....../ `---___________----_____] = = = = = D
...../_==o;;;;;;;;_______.:/
.....), ---.(_(__) /
....// (..) ), ----"
...//___//
..//___//
.//___//

WE TRUE HOMIES
WE RIDE TOGETHER
WE DIE TOGETHER

>>275803653
You stupid or something? Go ahead and keep throwing circles around but if you look back there's already a won argument here.

>>275805406
Who's that?

>>275805406
>The US has been getting rid of mental institutions for awhile now
Yeah, I'd heard about that. The old style of mental 'care' was often more harm than good but straight-up abolishing bunches of institutions rather than reforming them does more harm than good.
That is a ripper ballroom you got there.
I'd love to get into some of that stuff myself, but here in Melbourne there just aren't many buildings that get left to rot since developers keep snapping stuff up and the city is expanding so rapidly. The Victorian (and national, but that's another story) economy is contracting though, might leave us with a few places as companies go belly-up.

>>275805593
sadly for you, you're not the victor

>>275806051
The place I currently live has a lot of abandoned buildings, including a couple of schools. I've been really tempted to go explore them, but sadly they're all in the ghetto and in full view of some main roads that get heavy cop patrols.

>>275806051
>The old style of mental 'care' was often more harm than good but straight-up abolishing bunches of institutions rather than reforming them does more harm than good.

here's a good exposes on that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG33HvIKOgQ

>>275804779
This picture kinda reminds me of Etrian Odyssey Untold
Gladsheim, more precisely

>>275806646
Honestly, there's still a lot we suck at when it comes to mental care. The important thing at the moment is that honest efforts are being made and abuse is being targeted. Thanks for the link, going to give it a watch.

>>275806884
>Honestly, there's still a lot we suck at when it comes to mental care.
Yeah, like the people who believe that Trannies aren't mentally ill.

>>275807292
This is where we get into an interesting question of how you define mentally ill. I would argue that a good chunk of the current crop of people getting swept up in the ever expanding LGBTQ+ (or whatever the current acronym is) movement are actually suffering from some degree of one of then numerous sexuality and gender based psychological conditions out there, but rather than receive assistance from people who can help them, they get told it's perfectly normal to sexually identify as an AH-64 Apache.

>200 years
>Nobody bothered to sweep up a small pile of debris

JESUS. DID THEY NUKE THE WORLDS ONLY BROOM FACTORY OR SOMETHING?

>>275805406
how long have you been waiting for a fallout thread to post these?

theyre pretty cool though

What do you think the chances are they will announce FO4 when the new Mad Max comes out?

>>275808272
Nah

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>>275811035
Forgot pic

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Too bad the game couldn't have places like this because the engine.

Fallout 2 was still the peak of the series.

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>>275795279
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/119190/fallout-equestria

https://derpiboo.ru/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sbq=fallout+equestria&commit=Go

Most popular fic in the fandom.

>>275807672

Mental state prevents you from living a happy, productive life: mentally ill.

Like it or not, you were born with a male body, and your body will always be male. You need to adapt to that.

If you can't, that's a mental illness.

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>>275794773
>It's okay when Obsidian does it!
>It's shit ON PURPOSE!

No wonder /v/ loves this company so much, they have the same mindset as half the retards on this board

>brotherhood of steel should have already made a giant city along with industry, mining using their technology
>everything else not made by them or others with industry/artisanship recently is completely unusable (apart from extremely rare hermetically sealed stuff in vaults perhaps)
>game would consist of city states, to some extent feudalism again.
>perhaps a fledgling democracy and signs of recovery as well
>all them missions to different pre war complexes would be moot since everything just degraded by that point

Why cant they just say thats its been 10 years? 200 years indeed is way too long.

>>275814282
The anon you're responding to credited Bethesda.
He's an idiot, obviously, but so are you.

>>275814694
I don't know, Anon. I hated my visit to Vault City. The wasteland would be better off without more of those elitist cunts.

>>275814694
I don't get it, the original fallouts are also prettu fucked up when it comes to this. Old buildings everywhere, people living in tents and yurts, little pockets of civilization joined together by trade routes but no centralized power, that sort of thing. Fallout 3 isn't the only game suffering from this.

You people also seem to forget that prettu much everyone was stuffed in some fridge until the vaults started opening. Most people either died when the bombs dropped, became ghouls and died in the wastes or died when their vaults "malfunctioned". You'd think a handful of people who have been part of a social experiment for the last 100 years or so wouldn't be society-rebuilding visionaries.

>>275801229
>Fallout isn't about lore
Yep, you're retarded.

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the fun thing is that hoover dam only has another 500 years before it silts up in the real world, so in NV they have 200 before the whole area is completely uninhabitable except for tribes

>>275816053
>Pop culture refrences: The game should be taken seriously.

>>275801229
Fallout's lore is campy science fiction self-awareness, yes, but that doesn't mean it's not interesting or worth caring about.

>>275792898
It is, faggot.

Well,it´s not like the could leave the vaults right away after the bombs dropped.
How long could it take for radiation to reach normal levels so people can live outside? 50 years? even more i guess, since this was a nuclear holocaust.

>>275815876
generic knowledge doesnt disappear just like that.

chemistry 101 will get them to industrial revolution levels again.

Crop knowledge also still exists in basic books. Newly build steam engines should be within their possibility and those things run on fucking almost anything.

200 years should be easy enough to get to industrial revolution levels again, enough to produce things somewhat easily. Even though they have low population numbers it should be beneficial.

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>>275792898
Why are there so many people who only think Fallout is just 3? There's a 3 in the title meaning at least two came before it.

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>>275802328
>applying real world logic to a video game

>>275792948
>instead of California which is filled with useless niggers and hippies

I don't think you've been to DC.

>>275816235
So you're saying that because the devs had a little fun, the stories and lore included in a RP game are somehow less valid?
Just leave.

>>27579309
fuck why did you make me remember. ...it was so good

>>275817052
Fallout 2 was the quivelent of Bordermemes. Fallout 1 was a good start, but it got shit all over by Fallout 2. It was a good game mechanically, but lore wise? It was laughable.

>>275816626
They didn't get up and shake the dust off when the bombs hit in 2077, the earth was silent for generations. It's true that they might've been taught STEM in the vaults, but the few people who got out were fucked in the head with agoraphopia, xenophobia and overall anxiety. Nellis is a pretty good example, they were willing to use their knowledge to achieve self sufficiency but were hesitant to share what they knew with the outside. Vault City were also a bunch of elitist cunts who cared only for themselves and left everything else to rot. There were a lot of societal factors stopping people from just coming together, forming a science committee and putting the world back on its feet.

>>275817290
I don't think you know whate "Lore" means

>>275817290
If you can't into Fallout lore then I feel bad for you son, I got ninety nine problems but imagination's not one.

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>>275801053
Why would they switch to nukes with MORE radiation, that's completely ridiculous.
Like, there is no logical reason to want a nuke that is MORE radioactive, like ever. It's not a byproduct of using smaller nukes, that would decrease the radiation also. They did that on purpose. Seriously what's the point of radiating the shit out of a place if you don't have to, that's just more land you can't use once you've nuked it and taken over.

>>275817290
I think you're trolling, but I sort of agree. Fallout 2 was the best possible sequel to Fallout in a lot of ways, but at the same time I think they were trying to force too much into the game without clear direction.

>>275817580
A lack of imagination, you mean.

>>275817290
Devs were afraid of taking it seriously, apparently. Maybe they thought it would make them look pretentious, or maybe they just didn't have enough confidence in the quality of their work.

Fallout 2 deserved to be taken a lot more seriously.

>>275816627

no one said that?????

>>275817631
>implying Mutually Assured Destruction is about taking over a country's territory

>>275817969
Saying that I have no problems with my imagination implies that I do not have too much or too little.

>>275817459
I dont think you even need to have a science committee.

Basic knowledge learned at schools will already get them far.

Some libraries or cities that werent hit also could provide with more than enough knowledge to start it up to industrial levels.

These things are easy to do, thats why they teach them at middle schools, not universities.

There are also still books in their packaging in all kinds of warehouses that werent hit properly most likely.

Its just impossible to not get to the industrial revolution levels, in that gameworld or even in real life.

>>275795159
>Fallout based in New York
>costs $40 more than every other game but your receipt is tax deductible

>>275818078
>Back the fuck off??!?

>>275817667
There were a lot of things to do, but once you get into the overworld, the overhanging goal you were handed at the outset fades into the background.
Fallout 1 was a bit bare-bonesy, but at least you had a clear goal. Rescue Vault, kill everything that moves.

>>275818158
But you didn't speak of problems with things, merely things that are problems. Because you quoted that nigger.
I got 99 problems, but shitty reading comprehension ain't one.

>New Vegas
>subsistence farming

>DC
>everyone eats Yum-Yum deviled eggs
>Megaton has a cow

>>275818441
>>Megaton has a cow

To be fair, it was a really nice cow.

>>275818561
I'm glad Fallout 3 introduced Brahmin Tipping.

>>275818441
how to tell the difference between 3 and nv in 1 easy step they don't want you to know:

>goodsprings has bighorners and the npcs tell you they use them for food and hides

>megaton has a cow so that the player can see how crazy this world is because the cows have 2 heads whoa!
>no one acknowledges it or how it survives

at least you can tip them over

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>>275818338
>I got ninety nine problems but imagination's not one
>imagination's not one
>imagination
>problem
>not one

At least you aren't anthony burch.

>>275818807
It's a two-headed cow, what more need be said?
Did Moot just assrape the captcha again?

>>275818692
>>275818807
whawhawhaWHAT?

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If i liked 3 and NV will i like Oblivion or Morrowind?

>>275819067
iirc you just sneak and use the action button, you push the Brahmin over.

>>275819067
Sneak and use key.

>>275818807
you can still tip brahmin in NV, but they make a cooler sound in 3. In 3 it's a big angry "MOOOOOO", in NV it's more like a raspy grunt.

NV has one of the most well designed maps ever. It actually felt like a living breathing world rather than a shitty amusement park.

>>275819048
i've always wondered how that poor cow survives or why it's even there
>it lives in a muddy crater filled with irradiated water
>the only food is preserved pre-war food
>no one seems to own it or anything
>it just sits there its entire life and provides no benefit of any kind to anyone

>>275819369
I just assumed NPCs were photosynthetic.

>>275819351
>shitty amusement park
You mean like primm?

>>275792619
>actual societies and farming rebounding out west
>all thanks to the use of a GECK

>200 minutes after the Last Thread
>OP acts like this thread wasn't made before, and people act like it wasn't

>>275818981
He might be, you never know.

>>275819351
It's been a while, but I remember liking roaming 3 more solely because of random events
why the fuck did they seem to ditch those in NV? Maybe they were there but I can't remember anything but grunts, while in 3 I have a fond memory of exiting a metro tunnel, watching someone's head drop down from above me, looking up and have a giant radscorpion pounce on me from above

So, why do the NPC's always stand still and never break eye contact whenever you talk to them?

part of me wants to say they want to make it feel like a character portrait.

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>>275818981
>mfw not anthony burch

>>275819369
I've seen Megaton residents raking next to that cow, and I think a bucket is near it. So it's probably a communal cow. We never see brahmin milk. Nor do we see anyone milk a brahmin. But Moira does talk about brahmin milk, so it must exist lorewise even if it's not shown in the game. Like the squirrels and iguanas that they eat.

The cow is probably a communal cow, all the Megaton residents chip in to feed and care for it and they all get their share of its milk.

>>275819152
Morrowind, maybe. Oblivion, probably if you can get over the models.

>>275819756
It's a video game. Human mannerisms are more noticeable when they aren't actually people.
Games that aren't super realistic from their incarnation are the only ones where this kind of animations has a place.

>>275819351
>amusement park

The more this phrase pops up, the more I realize how FO3 really is an amusement park.

>Megaton and the bomb
>Republic of Dave
>Little Lamplight and Sticky
>Big Town
>2spooky haunted Dunwich building
>Girdershade and Sierra's Nuka-Cola museum

Everything is just random as fuck.

>>275819152
Morrowind is a lot different, but it's a great game.
Oblivion is shit, Skyrim is somehow better.

>>275819790
>>275819790
>>275819790

every resident of megaton surviving off one cow?

>>275820248
That's obviously not what he's getting at.

>>275820248
No, they also survive off of the food they get at the brass lantern.

>>275818441
>DC
More like
-Hunters hunt food from various animals across the wasteland, ranging from radroaches to mirelurks..
-Scavangers go around the wasteland harvesting mutfruit.
-Rivet City grows food in its hyrdoponics bay.
-They trade with Point Lookout for Punga

Pre-war food makes up a fiarly small portion of what they eat.

>>275821371
Where does that food come from?

>>275819520

And people who worked hard. Not every place out west had GECKs you twit

>>275823731
>the west
>hard work
>literally everything they accomplished was set in motion by the Vault Dweller and Chosen one