What are the best units to use in this game? Units to ignore?
Serra or Priscilla?
Oswin and Hector
Tanky motherfuckers that do shit tons of damage
>Units to ignore?
I never have luck with leveling him up
>Serra or Priscilla?
I prefer Priscilla because shes on horse back and can get to your injured units faster
Raven, Lucius, Canas
>units to ignore
Wil, Dorcas, Kent, Erk, Lowen
>Serra or Priscilla
It's a lot more efficient to decide which characters you're sure you're gonna use though, since leveling up characters you aren't going to use is pretty much just wasting EXP.
You can realistically use whoever you want and do perfectly fine if you're doing a casual run. In terms of low turn count, flyers>mounted units>infantry>Lords>Armor Knights, early units>late units generally and Priscilla>Serra because Priscilla has a horse
I got to like chapter 20 and forgot about the game, I really need to pick it up again soon.
>What are the best units to use in this game?
Canas, Florina, Rebecca, Raven, Dart, Kent and Sain. Always give attention to your lords though.
>Units to ignore?
There aren't any bad units in the game, just ignore the ones you don't like. The only one I'd say to ignore is Marcus, but that's because he's an exp trap if it's your first run. Keep in mind you can't grind, so you shouldn't constantly swap units. You should have 7 main units aside from your lords for the finally confrontation and then some others for chapters that allow more units.
>Serra or Priscilla?
Serra, because she's much cuter and should have a massive level gain on Priscilla by the time you get her. Both though, because the more qts the better.
in no order
5stars= sain, florina, fiora, heath, pent, hector (eli mode) canas, raven, athos
4stars= marcus, kent, lowen, farina, hector ( hector mode) eliwood ( hector mode) Priscilla, ninian/nils
3stars= isadora, oswain, rath, vaida, nino, lucius, serra, dart, harken, eliwood ( eli mode)
2 stars= lyn, hawkeye, karel, guy, legault, jaffar, matthew, erk
1 star= geitz, wallace, louise, rebecca, will, dorcas, barte, karla, renalt
tiers change on hard mode a bit and depending on how efficient you intend to play, base stats, ( including con and weapon lv) growths, class and availability are all considered.
everyone is usable casually.
Pretty much this. Although some units have better chances, everyone is at the mercy of the RNG gods.
don't know where this rebecca cult came from, she is the worst class in the game, has very lopsided growths, and mediocre bases. all she has is decent availability and good promotion gains. Will is more consistent.
everyone is usable though in casual play.
probably because you're morons who don't know how to play. Marcus is godlike and dominates early -mid game and remains solid throughout. the only thing he lacks is a little durability.
lucius is a glass cannon with the worst magic type, all he has going besides that is a c in staves with promotion.
and dark is in a mediocre class lacking movement with mediocre con. still a solid unit like Lucius but not exceptional. class and reliability is very important, it's better to have mediocre growths and good bases then the other way around.
>There are people who don't like the archer with Down Syndrome.
Athos should be lower, Serra should be higher, Oswin should be higher, Lucius should be higher, Dart should be higher, Nino should be higher, Eliwood (eli mode) should be lower, Lyn should be higher, Jaffar should be higher, Rebecca and Wil should be way higher, Louise should be higher, and Dorcas should be higher.
0/10, apply yourself.
>needing to use the Jeigan in a FE game
Not him, but who said anything about needing to use him? He's a very solid unit and transcends the Jeigan archetype with decent growths.
Marcus is shit and should only be used for baiting and and saving far away villages early on. I benched him permanently when I got the chance.
>Worst type of magic
>Known to crit a lot.
Lucius has insane magic, high res and is sanic fast so he'll dodge most shit. Con isn't an issue given how light magic is. Please stop being retarded.
Hand axes are shit, and what you could do with all those you can do easier and better with an archer. You really should have those other units charge instead, while the archer(s) pick off enemies over walls. Also, flying units are an archer's bitch.
marcus in fe7 isn't even a jeigan you retard, fe6 marcus sure, but here he's one of those pseudo-oifeys like seth and titania.
yeah that's why canas is five stars
I've already adressed why lucius isn't that great, he is a glass canon with low luck and move so he's vulnerable the magic type holds him back and he's overkill as you can wreck people in 1 turn regardless, just like speed is very important until you hit the 14 threshold.
>Not supporting Rebecca with Dart.
>Not having them rape everything.
Haha what a gay.
>If you don't care about your rankings then Nino.
Nino doesn't really kill your ranking, that's almost the opposite since she'll quickly get a lot of xp, improving your Exp/Power rank.
You just don't have to waste turns to train her like a retard, but she can manage to get 1 or 2 kills at each turn (thanks to Ninian), allowing her to reach a decent level. By something like level 15, she'll totally be able to manage herself, and will rape everything once promoted.
I babysat Nino several times, including in my first playthrough.
Harken's *base* stats are pretty much couple of points off caps. He also has B rank in axes and swords, letting him use braves in both weapons. Harken also has durability. Only stat Raven wins on is speed, but who gives a shit when both of them double everything?
That guy was going by Ranked run/LTC ratings. And in that spectrum he's pretty much correct.
Marcus is really useful in LTC runs, the more cavalry and mounted units the better.
And in Ranked runs you need everyone to get xp anyway.
He clearly stated everyone is usable in a casual playthrough
His speed is still good enough that he always doubles and crits often. Cry more bitch nigga.
Raven reaches Harken's base def at 20/20 on average faggot. Raven's res at 20/20 is lower than Harken's base res. Raven is shit. His offense is same as Harken, but he has no durability, plus he'll be rocking a sweet D axes for that steel axe usage while Harken's killing bosses with a brave axe.
raven is better, but harken has better durability and con so he can use axes better, and even with the lower stats he's still strong enough to fuck up the abysmal stats of the enemy in masse. Both are good units.
Then why isn't Marcus in 5 stars?
And I'd still hold that Dart should be higher, because he's a pirate. I've never attempted a LTC run though, so I may be wrong.
>Raven is shit
Now you're just baiting. Yeah maybe his defense isn't all that great, but his higher HP makes up for that. Raven still beats Harken in pretty much every other stat.
almost everybody can double and crit often, light magic gets a low 10% crit rate where a simple killer axe would get a 15% and other classes get base crit bonues.
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with, but they were clearly talking about ranked runs. And you really shouldn't be relying on crits at all. And Lucius still can't take a hit.
Because despite Marcus' usefulness, by the last third of the game other cavs are still better.
Dart has good growths and bad bases, which is the opposite of what you want in a LTC or ranked run. Not to mention he requires one of the most expensive items in the game to promote.
>I go for low turn count when I play.
Yeah, at the end of the game, if you manage to get him to 20/20, which should never happen if you don't play at a snail's pace. Harken starts out as what Raven ends up. That's really the only difference between the two.
Heroes are good because their class is good. Raven isn't bad, dunno what that guy was saying, but in terms of overall usefullness Harken is actually pretty good, when so many people overlook him because "muh raven" even though pretty much any unit in this game is viable when endgame enemies have 0 luck and 6 skill
marcus isn't 5 due to being mediocre late game, particularly in durability and needing to get slightly lucky with speed growth or sacrifice a speed wing.
dart teeters on the edge of 4 stars, ( so does rath) but his movement, mediocre con and skill ( not really for hitting people in fe7 as that is easy but for additional crit growth) hold him back.
>Dart has good growths and bad bases, which is the opposite of what you want in a LTC or ranked run
I see what you mean in regards to LTC, but I think he'd be pretty great in a ranked run for that same reason. And his promotion item can be offset with the Silver Card and it's easy to get 5 stars in funds anyways. I've gotten 4 stars easy when I wasn't even trying.
I'm playing FE6 right now and I'm starting to think I can beat the rest of the game with just these three.
I've played through this game like 12 times.
Nino(if you train her)
The fucking pirate forget his name
Prepromoted Units like Pent, Clarine, etc.
Everyone else is meh tier. Also Pent and Clarine are pretty good I just like to only use units I raise from babby.
Because he comes underleveled at a point where I normally have enough good combat units?
Also he is locked to swords until he promotes and he'll never reach a decent axe rank to use high tier weapons, so he's actually a pretty shitty endgame material. Then he gets completely obsoleted by Harken, making the exp put into him a total waste. I can't really think of a good reason to use him.
Ranked runs are retarded anyways. Buncha gay niggas.
Why are you even talking about Harken when Karel exist? It's like you don't want to murder everyone.
Pretty much, yes.
FE6 had a bunch of great units that are even better in hard more.
Zeiss is actually very good too, even though people overlook him because there's always m'lady.
>Because he comes underleveled at a point where I normally have enough good combat units?
Which is easily remedied by using him in Chapter 16x with all the pirates. You don't NEED Axes even if they are useful. Saying Harken makes him obsolete is objectively wrong, considering Raven beats him in almost every stat other than Defense, Resistance, and Luck.
>You don't NEED Axes even if they are useful.
Yeah but Harken can use both axes and swords, so why go with the hero that can't?
>Raven beats him in almost every stat other than Defense, Resistance, and Luck.
They essentially tie on strength, skill, and luck. Harken's def lead is significant because def scales more steeply, and Raven has significant leads in speed and HP. That's basically the only difference in stats at 20/20, which amounts to nothing.
Meanwhile Harken has better axe rank, which makes a real difference, and Harken doesn't require babying a shitty level 7 swordie and wasting time in 16x when I can 3 turn it with Florina.
If you don't focus on them, then you'll never be able to build them. Honestly, I almost never have any supports when I don't care for them (or maybe a C rank at best). You truly have to focus on them and always have the same units stick together if you want to build supports and take advantage of the bonuses.
That being said, the game is totally doable without any support. It's simply a cool stat bonus and additional info on characters, as well as nice dialogue.
for story purposes you should try to build a team where you can get plenty of supports, and possibly even grind on some seize chapters to get A supports. Don't worry about affinities although fire thunder anima and light are good just support who you would like to support, the bonus is helpful regardless.
Yeah and in FE7 a lot of the growths build slowly, so it's ideal to waste some turns at the end of every chapter if you want to build some of them.
The problem isn't how you want to play the game. The problem is you inserting your bullshit into every thread when no one asked about ranked runs.
It's not the only way to play the game. Stop acting like it is.
I will forever be mad because of Renault's supports.
I mean, his supports are interesting and he's very important plot-wise, but he joins fucking lately and on top of that, his supports are the longest to build. 0 fucking starting points, and only +1/+2 at each turn. Fuck you IS, you literally have to waste turns if you want to read them ingame.
Hard mode bonuses in FE6 blew my mind for some reason. Gonzales turns into a beast.
Explain where anyone said "it's the only way to play the game"? That one guy posted a tier list saying it was for ranked runs, and then everyone jumped on him saying shit like "Don't use Marcus!!!"
And I love the game and play it casually from time to time, but its so easy you don't need to even worry about which characters to use as long as you don't let everyone die. Which was also stated earlier in the thread.
not sure but in 6 there is a certain about of points you can build up per chapter aswell, so if you have like 5 pairs of people one might not be able to support if they have affinities that don't pair well. I think fe7 is the same.
FE7 (just Fire Emblem) is the best starting point.
8 (Sacred Stones) is polarizing as fuck and mediocre.
9 (Path of Radiance) is the best in the series.
10 (Radiant Dawn) is good but not as much as 7 or 9
Both the DS games are complete and utter fucking garbage and under no circumstances should be played by anyone.
Awakening is really good but a tad on the easy side, and has overly cartoony characters.
Because at that point the OP question had been answered and then discussion continued?
Canas as a unit actually isn't that stellar. Fairly average stats across the board. It's just that Luna is broken, and Athos can use it better than he can.
so for people who have no idea how to play video games
> never use marcus he's a trap
> eliwood sucks!
> use waifus like lyn!
> always train the lowest level characters, baby them and rely on luck with their growths
> don't bother with staves out side of healing but you need a healer!
> hector is god!
> the horses are pretty good
> Pegasus knights suck and die in one hit
> knights can wall everything!
> the twins are a waste of a slot, why have an extra turn when you can use another unit?
>he should be fine with Weapon triangle advantage
No he isn't fine. He has like 60 displayed against lances in Perceval's map and 50 or below against everything else. And it never gets better either. If you raise him to level 20 from 5, he gets whopping 9 skill. That's not going to cut with when the hand axe has 50 hit.
Yeah, welcome to FE6 where skill is an important stat and enemies actually have evade. There's a reason it's harder. Fact of the matter is Gonzales is one of the best axe users in the game. Heroes like Deke have the potential to be better if you bother grinding up their weapon level upon promotion since they will have much better skill, but that's a little obtuse.
>Chapter 6 Victims of War
>fog of war
>dat fucking enemy healer
>dat asshole giving you an Iron Axe instead of his Halberd
>those fucking jinets ambushing you from behind
>Vanessa is shit thanks to the RNG goddess
>> Pegasus knights suck and die in one hit
This is actually true though, Florina is complete and utter garbage and the other 2 don't fare better.
They don't do good damage, they can't even take a hit from magic which they're SUPPOSED to be strongest against, even using the weapon triangle they get raped when they have the advantage.
The ONLY use for Peg Knights in FE7 is rescuing units or going to faraway villages.
He isn't good. Stop telling yourself a unit that has to be raised to level 20 while rocking single digit skill stat is usable in HM.
Not to mention he is pretty much limited to 1 range, so he's basically a SM who can't hit anything.
Deke is shit as well. It's best to just ignore that axes exist.
Strangely, I hated that chapter when I was younger, but it is now piss easy to me, even on hard mode, and without even using Seth.
You have to totally rush the map if you want to save everyone, and you'll therefore miss some enemy units and some sweet xp (>implying it matters in FE8), but you might be able to kill the boss before the enemy reinforcements even come.
> florina and rebbecca are dead
>they were shit tier anyway
Florina is shit. She's so bad that she managed to taint a WHOLE FUCKING CLASS OF UNITS in the eyes of the entire fanbase.
It took until Awakening where Peg Knights were stupidly broken for people to actually warm up to them again.
All you have to do is train them like any other unit and they'll gain strength, they all have good growths.
But the majority of the fanbase agrees Florina is a good unit.
Florina is bad, but she let you recruit Fiora who is much better.
I'm not going to argue with an idiot, you sound like someone saying " we we came from monkies why are there still monkies?" you don't know how to play fire emblem. florina has the standard 40% strength growths and gets plus 2 with promotion farinas is even higher and their base strength isn't even bad for there level. it doesn't take much to sweep maps in 7, and because they can move unfetted they can get to the enemy units and kill them faster. chances of them getting hit are low aswell with godlike speed and luck.
Why the fuck would anyone think this.
All three Peg knights are good units, with each one specializing in a different stat.
Farina on average will cap strength
Florina on average will cap speed and Skill
Fiora will cap the same, but have slightly less strength
Yeah later on you'll get them back, you just finished the tutorial.
Of course, all of them are gonna come back with their stats, some of them really quickly.
4 of them will be back at chapter 15, and you'll also have Dorcas at chapter 11, therefore Eliwood's first chapter. But, yes,
You mean they can get to enemy units and die faster.
>fight a sword guy using a killer lance
>do 3 damage
>he one-shots Florina
She is the worst unit. Fucking Merlinus is better in a fight than Florina.
I got lucky and had a godlike dorcas last time I played got some lucky speed growths and gave him a speedwing so by warrior 14 he had 55, hp, 27 strength, 24 skill, 15 speed, fucking 21 defense, and 8 resistance.
how does it feel to be retarded fucking casuals who base pegasus knights off their base level?
you start out using them to finish off damaged units mainly mercenaries and mages with their amazing move, once they grow a few levels they can sweep shit. And no this isn't babying because you don't need to purposefully leave them alive and finish them off, they will get strong naturally. holy fuck.
FE7 isn't really RNG-heavy. You're almost sure to 1-round KO everything because enemies are lame. Sure, growths are random, but you also have to rely on base stats, which are fixed.
>Repeating something that everyone has known for 13+ years
Please tell me you spend most of your day on 4chan. Nobody should have to deal with a retard like you in person. It would be disgraceful to real human beings.
>It's not babying, they get strong naturally
>have to keep the Peg Knight FAR FAR away from combat because they die in one or 2 hits from ANYTHING
>have to reduce the opponent to 4 HP with other units because 4 or 5 HP is all the pussy ass Peg Knights can do
>have to make sure there are no enemies around that 4 or 5 HP unit because again, Peg Knights take a single hit
Fuck Peg Knights in 7.
Lyn's a lord, so she's mandatory and all, but as a combat unit she's generally not stellar.
Don't get me wrong, she's entirely usable and generally has good speed and luck to dodge, but her strength lacks routinely and her endgame weapon actually makes her worse. And bows as a promotion item suck.
Also she doesn't have an innate crit bonus like Swordmasters.
You can't get it on the 3DS.
I've never had issues with peg knights, Even a simpleton at FE like me knows that you use weaker units to finish off stronger ones after a tougher guy whittles them down.
I'm not far into FE7 at all but the game's gonna force me to keep all three lords out when I get to that point, won't it?
He means FE7, dude. other than Awakening, Shadow Dragon, FE12 and FE8 if you were an ambassador you can't play FE on the 3DS.
Are Shadow Dragon and FE12 actually bad, I've been going on a FE binge since I finished 7 on the weekend (and getting close to finishing 6) and skipping two whole games sounds like a shame.
I don't know buddy, my Florina always has awful strength and defense, she is Lyndis on a flying pony, Fiora and Farina are much better.
No, Shadow Dragon is a faithful remake of 1, no supports or features like Rescue, terrible gaiden requirements.
But its gameplay is solid. It's not 10/10 but it's overall not bad.
12 adds supports and fixes some of the other problems with 11 and it adds a MU that isn't actually horrible. If you ever plan on learning the story of Marth they're your best bet.
None of the stuff you said in your post has ever happen to me in FE7 onwards. Maybe you'd have a case for FE6, but FE7 Pegasus knights are lords of destruction. And even at low levels, they dodge often and always double, so it's no trouble leveling them normally.
Shadow Dragon is very back to basics. For good and ill. Fire Emblem Awakening is a fantastic game.
What the fuck am I reading.
How are FE 11 and 12 at ALL the same game as FE4
So what, you're a gateway fag or something
Hence the RNG in this game.
But don't go and tell people what to do based on something only you have experienced. Just check growth rates and average stats.
But it is flat out idiotic to say that Florina is worse than Fiora when they have practically the same growths
seriously if don't know what the fuck your talking about don't give your opinion, 11 isn't a faithful remake with a poorly implemented weapon triangle for example, and the gameplay is fucking broken with warp shit.
>the gameplay is broken with things that you have to choose to abuse
They somewhat updated the game, adding in weapon triangle, and at least axe users exist.
If you want to play FE1, its just a flat out better idea to play FE11.
It's a good game
You're thinking of FE3
FE4 is Genealogy of the Holy War
If you want to play the first casual emblem then yeah.
That translation is getting updated soon.
What are you talking about? The only game peg knights are bad is FE6 and even there they can be useful.
> ha! it's not broken or a flaw if you artifically limit yourself
fuck off retard, the weapon triangle is shit because axe users are non-existent late game fucking swords.
if you want to play fe 1 your best bet is fe 3 book one and ignoring the couple of removed chapters.
>You will never have Lyndis's thighs wrap around your head or waist.
Pegasus Knights are
All 5 of them are their game's hardest mode's.
Are all Pegasus Knights lesbians?
haha holy shit what is that from?
I didn't see that in the translation I played
What's got you all booty battered
It's not like I claimed it was the savior of gaming. It's still not a bad game, and definitely more playable to the average person than FE3
You seem really hostile.
I am, I'm genuinely disgusted with the stupidity of the modern fire emblem community. you argued your point ignorantly and poorly just like all the other stupid fucking cancers here who base everything on feelings and anecdotal evidence.
you're going to run the franchise into the ground.
The mission right after that one gives you a good source of mercenaries that act as Florina chow in the northeast corner. Park her up there on the forest tile (So the mercs can't use it) with an iron lance and a vulnerary or two and she'll gain enough levels to catch up and be useful through the whole game.
learn how to play better, you faggot.
because it looks like a mobile FF game
As I said, provably wrong. This is in HM as well.
It's not getting updated, it's a brand new translation by a completely different team.
In a few months according to their translator. The translation itself is done, they're just reviewing it for the second draft. What takes longer is to make the text inserting tool.
Because the prerendered shit is just that. after the beautiful sprites of the GBA games and the sort of alright artwork for 9/10 we got some stuff that looks like a really phony looking PS1 game or something.
I guess I should have paid more attention to what I heard then.
You seriously are going to judge a character based on the very first mission they appear, even more, judge a class that their biggest plus is their support role of flying taxis, even if they are capable fighters in FE7? Wow.
That's insulting, it looked worse than a mobile game.
He didn't even post the amazing portraits.
I'm not even sure what your exact complaint about the weapon triangle was in the first place.
You just said "the weapon triangle is shit because axe users are non-existent late game fucking swords."
What does that mean if you would be so kind as to explain that point to me?
And where did I base anything on anecdotal evidence.
I actually really like the animations in FE11 and 12, for one they are more fluid than the GBA ones where people would return to their previous spot before attacking again with the exact same animation. What I find lame is that everyone looks the exact same asides from hair color.
You also get all those Mercenary reinforcements in the next chapter to level her and she's one of the best candidates for that Energy Ring and Angel Robe from Chapter 10. Even if you don't give those to her, Florina has a 40% Str growth, that's nowhere bad.
It's too bad Marth become hideous after the time skip.
I was in a rush, the point is that even in the first chapter she appears on hard mode, Florina can double, dodge, and do decent damage. You're fucking wrong.
Unless you're just calling me a faggot, in which case fuck you ;_;
I'm amazed this many people care about graphics.
That being said, yeah the actual artstyle looked like ass I'll agree.
But the character designs and class designs were miles better than Awakening, which I think is more important anyway. But that's my personal opinion.
Still doesn't change the fact that not being able to play a game because it doesn't look great is incredibly dumb when the game is actually solid
They fixed him in FE12.
Actually they fixed everyone who previously looked off model.
I wasn't exactly complaining against the character art. Only posting a cute girl. Only the sprites are really awful.
>Best Overall Units
Hector (Best Lord), Oswin (Nothing kills him and he hits as hard as a truck), Raven (Easily kills with double hits great with brave sword), Pent (Excellent Pre-promote if you don't want to bother with Nino), Nino (if you decide to grind her), Canas (Best Mage unit you have), Lucius (decent offense helps with Shamans use him as an off-healer primarily), Farina (if Hectors story) or Florina (if Eliwood), Priscilla (Best Healer thanks to movement bonuses not as strong as Serra though), Legault (best thief for lockpicking and treasure chest purposes), Heath(Fliers are pretty great in all FE games and Heath is your best Wyvern Knight whom are basically flying Knights).
If you absolutely must have a swordmaster I recommend RNG abusing Guy, they are all shit in this game though.
Other decent units are: Bartre, Serra (needs some grinding), all of the Cavaliers, Dorcas (Though Bartre is much better), most pre-promotes (use them to replace unpromoted units if they are ending up shit or you haven't been leveling them up, I recommend Pent over Erk though), basically all of your Archers (Rebecca is probably better than Wil). You can also use Jaffar for an Assasin but I absolutely hate his 20 str cap with only swords as a weapon, makes his damage shit and reliant entirely on his OHKO skill that almost never activates, (though he does crit a lot), he's better than any of your swordmasters at least.
Avoid at all costs:
>But the character designs and class designs were miles better than Awakening
Par for the course really.
>Still doesn't change the fact that not being able to play a game because it doesn't look great
No one said that, it just looks like shit.
Another person who irrationally hates the DS games.
And yes they do, but its mostly the sprites that are bad. Actual character art and class design is bretty gud, especially in 12.
Nigga, she's the cutest.
Too bad she's one of the characters you can only get in SD by killing an extra person off. That's the shit I hate most about Shadow Dragon that they removed from FE12.
Yes, it's a solid game with good level design made around its simple mechanics. Then the sequel comes and fixes most gripes that people had with the previous game, like including support convos and gaidens that aren't made just for bad players. You won't look much convincing by flinging insults.
Thanks for eating my fucking image shitty new captcha.
Being a new character is difficult.
just play the fucking game and use whatever units are prettiest to you
you can beat the game without minmaxing and fire emblem is easy enough without that, don't make it any easier
Alright i'll make it simple for you. Scale of 1 to 5.
So you're claiming that the series was born dead since the remake of the first game with the exact same maps has bad level design?
Yeah okay. Both have the absolute shit of 30% str growth rate to end up with 13 str by endgame unless you RNG abuse like a faggot and abuse energy rings on them. On top of that you put Guy higher even though Lyn gets legendary weapons, is obligatory to use and ALSO gets Bows.
TOP FUCKING KEK. M8 some of these are absolutely ridiculous.
I think the fact that the characters aren't particularly balanced yet all have their own identity gives the game a special charm. Awakening's class changing and "everyone is pretty powerful" design just doesn't do it for me.
Well, Mani Katti has enough uses to be useful through the whole game and she has a 40% Str growth. Lyn is a pretty useful unit and is forced anyway, simply because someone else is better doesn't mean a unit is shitty.
20% crit bonus means fucking nothing on Guy of all characters.
Besides Swordmasters are in general, really overrated units. Swords are the weakest weapons and they are not on horseback so their movement is average. Their Con isn't the highest and they have to be next to everything to actually attack.
They are average units at best and are only good if you overlevel them to hell and back, like most people do.
I'd recommend a Swordmaster in a game like RD or SS, where their str growth doesn't fucking blow ass.
I'm just pointing out that Guy isn't as shitty as he made him out to be, even if he isn't great, and half of Lyn's bonuses weren't really bonuses at all.
I don't even like Swordmasters. And the Mani Katti is Lyn's main strength.
You literally can not talk about a unit without at least one other person getting mad at you, for christs sake.
I'm not mad here, I'm just noting that it's pretty annoying how every time someone start comparing units like one is shitty and the other is godly. People act like it's binary, you can't be useful if someone else is perceived has better for whatever reason, that instantly creates a singularity that pushes you into shit.
I didn't even say Lyn was better than Guy in my post, I was working with the other anon's logic that she's worse just to make my point that even if you consider Guy better that doesn't make Lyn shitty.
Quads are the truth.
I'm not even kidding, I agree with the entirety of this post. Although binary comparisons are understandable, because using two of the same class can hurt your variety.
Oh I agree with you, but the guy I initally responded to made it seem like Lyn was way better than Guy, like it WAS a binary choice.
I just wanted to put forth both individual strengths, because they really aren't that different.
Also the mad comment was directed at the guy who called me a Swordmasterfag because I pointed out Lyn's flaws.
Let me put things into perspective for both of you:
I've played this game a few times, using different units here and there, for the most part I've used everyone more than once.
I also don't pamper some units over others (IE give them all the stat boosters) and always give afas drops to either Eliwood or Hector.
Guy has NEVER even gotten 20 str for me unless I pamper him, which is difficult to do without save states.
Its the same deal with the fucking Miafags in PoR. Zihark is better in every fucking way and Edward is better in every fucking way on RD, but NOPE NOPE GOTTA HAVE THOSE TITS MAN. LOOK AT ALL THOSE DOUBLE CRITS THAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN ALSO FUCKING DO WITH MORE STR.
10/10 BEST UNIT EVER ALL OTHER UNITS ARE SHIT.
I don't know, I think they only suck in 7, probably because of the huge nerf after 6. I love them in every other games.
>remake of the first game with the exact same maps has bad level design?
I don't have a stance in this debate, but I'd like to point out that "the same maps" does not mean the level design is equal. This is particularly apparent in FE12 where stuff like dismounting, added reinforcements, weapon triangle, and game mechanics result in some of the same maps being played completely differently.
They are pretty much the same in every game after that.
They pick up again in PoR/RD because of Astra which makes them worthwhile to use (as long as you don't just send them to fight everything on their own).
And in Awakening where every unit is broken no matter what.
I would like to point out that in the end of RD, Mia, Zihark, and Edward will all end up the same thanks to BEXP.
So Edward ends up being the most inconvenient one to get to that level, and thusly, more likely the worst unit to use out of the three. Zihark is still better than Mia during midgame though.
Like Lilina you are blind.
FE6 is one of those games I hate because every unit goes into the extremes:
>super high str
>but low skill
I just go with the units that are hard to get str/mag screwed like Lilina and hot bandit dick.
Also holy shit the generals in this game FUCKING SUCK. I could never have imagined a fucking General sucking but in this game they are all horrible.
But Mia is great in RD, Edward only has strength and wrath over her. She usually has more speed and defense.
Lilina has better support options and with Roy she can build one much faster than Lugh. She'll probably have trouble doubling, but her attacks will be nukes and anima is accurate enough to compensate for her low skill.
While Lugh is more consistent all around. They're both good units but due to different reasons.
You should compare units by their average stats, not some screenshot about how someone got RNG screwed. On average Lilina should have around 10 to 11 Spd there.
You mean Edward will endup better. Its no inconvinience because Dawn Brigade still has their chapters where they are forced and you pretty much have to level some of them no matter what.
Edward caps str, skill, speed (60% growth EACH) faster than the other two swordmasters. BEXP then takes care of his frailty. Edward is better.
Doesn't matter though. Haar and Gatrie are better than every other unit thats not Ike.
The thing is, anima magic is pretty accurate and one shot from Lilina is a OHKO. Also that is some fucked up luck, Lilina's usually fast enough to double and Lugh usually has more magic.
My units turned out great so far.
Was not using it as an example, I just noted a resemblence to a conversation I saw yesterday.
I want Mia to tie me up and force me fuck fuck her armpits
>Edward has 60% speed growth
I want the waifufags to fuck off right now.
She was the worst one.
Holy shit I thought the stats were a farce until I saw she was a fucking general. Christ those stats are awful she's like a pre-promote.
Yep. I gave Lilina the speedwings I had and she's mostly fine now.
I knew it.
Got to admire those promotion bonuses though.
I got lucky with her, really fucking lucky.
Also to add.
Lugh would have got +4 magic on promotion anyway.
How is it no inconvenience when Mia starts a whole class ahead. Even Zihark is featured ahead and he's IN the Dawn Brigade.
And Radiant Dawn is one of those weird games where they'll all end up the same because they have the same caps and can all easily reach them.
Edward can be a good unit yes, but he requires an inordinate amount of babying when he can't even double most enemies by the fifth chapter of the first Part. I've just never found the motivation to train Edward, you can, and he will be just as good yes. But the differences will be neglible between all three trueblades.
Definitely correct about Haar and Gatrie though, god damn did they get some buffs. And they were already good in PoR
Edward has better caps than Mia, which basically disproves your point.
Availability isn't an issue in this comparison because you're FORCED to use the Dawn Brigade and he gets ENOUGH TIME to level up.
More like, you actually need him to be good if you want to survive some chapters, alongside characters like Nolan.
By the last chapter of the first act you can have all your Dawn Brigade units at level 20, if you don't suck at the game. The rest of the chapters that you're pretty much forced to use them are enough to let him catch up. Theres no babying involved here, unless you genuinely avoid fighting in each of those chapters.
He has plenty of availability to train and getting RNG screwed is almost an impossibility with those growths.
Well I have no porblem with Lilina, Rutger, or Deke, since they're all good units. I'm just wondering why you repeated with Whojay, Fir, and Lugh.
Also Rutger and Deke aren't really average, they're the better units in the game along with Allen and Lance.
I was obviously joking and I knew precisely which 3 units you were talking about, hence why I used their counterparts in my post.
>Replacing Lilina with Lugh
I think it's the other way around.
Fair enough, but Lugh is only 2 points off his average magic, while Lilina is 5 points off her average speed. Adjusting for average it'd be
Lugh 15 mag 16 skill 16 spd
Lilina 22 mag 11 skill 13 spd
Lilina's not as fast or accurate, but damn is she strong. I wish I could use both without being redundant.
Mia and Edward are both good and will max all that matter, lets be honest, Lucia is the only bad RD swordmaster with her Fir's growths.
>Edward has better caps than Mia
My mistake I thought they were the same, that means you're entirely right.
I mean I always liked his growths, but you can't deny it's hard to get him kills once the Dawn Brigade actually gets rolling. It's not like typical FE games where you face a million bandits, you're actually facing a lot of soldiers and lance users. And his poor survivability at the beginning requires some babying yes.
Oh, sorry didn't get the joke.
And yes Lugh is generally better due to doubling, but you can be sure that if my Lilina starts getting speed, I support her with Roy and let the ball roll.
Good for you for having a better Fir, but Rutger statistically is better on average and will generally have an ample level lead by the time Fir joins, unless you specifically decide to not use him in anticipation of Fir.
>Erk lower than Nino
Your list is mostly good, I don't think Canas should be 5 stars, and Marcus should be moved up to the highest tier
>it's hard to get him kills once the Dawn Brigade actually gets rolling
Its hard to get anyone kills.
The only units you have worth a damn in the beginning are Nolan and Sothe. Unless you want to get totally screwed later on by abusing Sothe, you have to level up at least Nolan and Edward.
And yes you can get REALLY screwed. Sothe fucking blows major shit later on, especially for a forced character.
Fire Affinity best affinity
Just give Fir 2 Iron swords and let her kill all the pirates in her chapter for an easy 14 levels.
She has Rutger.
So a triple edgy swordmaster support for fun.
>not 5 stars
>Only him and Athos can use Luna
Please don't spread misinformation.
Pent is better than both. Nino has to be babied hard, while Pent starts out strong and can use Physic staves.
That's the thing. Rutger has a higher strength growth than Fir but she always ends up with more strength, she gives no fucks about rng.
It's not hard to level her, considering the western isles are filled with axe users. On her recruit chapter she can catch up to most of your group if you let her kill the pirate reinforcements. I always level Rutger up in hopes he'll come up different, but nope.
Luna is really good, but you don't really need it for most of the game. It comes in handy the most when you get to the dragon, but even then Athos can make use of it immediately. Canas is pretty good, but he has mostly low stats for most of his earlygame.
Because he's around for a really god damn long time, and magic damage is pretty valuable for a lot of the game. He does have stats that can get pretty screwed, so I think 3 stars would be best for him.
Nino is complete garbage and it amazes me that people still think she's good. If a unit that starts out useless can be hyper babied up to insane levels, then Fiona is the best damn unit in Radiant Dawn.
>Rutger statistically is better on average
Explain. In hard mode, Fir has equal or slightly higher strength, equal or slightly less health, way more luck, less defense and skill, but more resist and speed. I'll concede about Rutger having a level lead, but it's perfectly valid to decide not to use him so Fir will have her place. Or just use both, like any sensible person, she has the isle of axes, so she'll gain levels easily.
Lyndis is a cock guzzling whore that sleeps with barbarians every week while the crew is asleep
>Sothe fucking blows
Fucking tell me about it. The rage I felt after actually using Volke, then finding out Sothe was forced.
What the fuck.
And yeah I dunno I use Edward for the first 4 or so chapters, then switch to Zihark and Jill when I get them.
I mainly spend the beginning giving exp to Micaiah and Nolan. But that's just me.
I would think Noah is a better choice for support with her over Karel.
But I had some major difficulty letting her kill the pirates in the chapter she joined because she kept getting hit somehow.
Except Fiona won't even end up good no matter how you treat her.
Nino, if you train her, will legitimately be the best sage, yes it requires babying, but she levels up really fast.
My first playthrough I decided to use her and she eclipsed Erk who was a level 5 sage, within 10 levels of being a mage.
All this Florina hate.
I completely agree that Pent is fantastic, but Nino is much better than Erk.
I don't think you understand, Canas is the only dark magic user and with Luna he's the best boss killer in the game.
Noah has good skill, his strength and speed are not that bad either, good defense, better con.
There is no reason to not use all 3.
I was just saying its an option, he's a viable, although not great unit. I wouldn't really go for it but hey.
I tried to imply in my post that I got unlucky, sorry if that was unclear. I was in the forest and it most certainly wasn't 0 chance to hit.
You don't need a dedicated boss killer in 7 when they are mostly poor.
Lloyd is probably the best of the bosses and he can be trivial if you abuse Nino.
They're baiting or really, really unlucky, Florina is a demigod.
You don't really need Luna to kill bosses when they're so weak in FE7. It only really comes in handy for the dragon. In fact, most mounted characters would be better boss killers simply by the virtue of being able to get there faster,
>she kept getting hit somehow
In FE6, add 25% to all enemy hit chances and subtract 25% from yours.
Not FE6 Karel, he's the chillest man in the world.
I think I will try him out, no problem with three paladins.
Way to pick the only situation where .gif is better
Mine turned pretty good in my last run, though my Fiora almost got screwed. In the last chapters she went trhough two consecutive empty levels and after that nothing but level ups with only one stat until the end of the game.
Florina has 40% Str growth and will average in 22 Str by 20/20 while her cap is 23.
>give all stat boosters to waifu
>post waifu in 4chan
>look guize best unit in the game
That being said, Florina is at least better than Fiora.
Farina is pretty much the best flier though.
Desert + Horse.
Never goes wrong anon.
That's not true, only Narrare, Rutger and 7Karel and Karla are edgy.
Your english is better than my spanish. And anyone who understands how good Pegasus knights are can't be too much of a faggot.
Also, I think you meant "arena" instead of "circus"
Serra as you'll dump Priscilla for Nino.
Also requesting facedrag
I didn't make the archtype anon, I just follow it.
Oh, I see. I was thinking about some item and not arenas. We have the word circo too and in fact the roman arenas were referred as circo, but I believe people would use arena for that case.
Don't the spanish version call Dragon Lord Señor Dragón? That's sounds so silly that turns into badass.
I leveled Nino in my last run since I was doing a ranked and thus needed the exp even if I had no intention of promoting her, and the poor thing ended up so RNG screwed that she wouldn't even get to Pent's bases after promotion. Pent is one of the best prepromotes in the whole series.
I only use her because her finals words to Brendan and sons.
>Played FE7 before FE6
>Thought Zephiel would turn out ok
Pent solo's the map were you first encounter him. You have to race him for EXP in order to get the bonus chapter.
This leaves a strong impression on you.
He's pretty goat for a pre-promote.
>B rank in staves
>gets good growths
>entirely capable of reaching caps
>Edward has better caps than Mia, which basically disproves your point.
Edward has 1 higher strength, which is negated by Mia's fire affinity. Even if that were the case, 1 point of strength doesn't make a lick of difference. It's not like either of them come within 2 mt of ORKOing a cover aura.
He actually has A rank in supports, he's even more awesome than you remember. The fact that he comes with an A Support with Louise is also makes him even better for Ranked Runs, since you probably won't have many supports beyond C asides from Ninian x Eliwood. And he's such a cool dude, too.
That's not that bad, I have worse, he is just being cute.
That sounds even sillier. Awesome.
Parity only cost 10 points, anyone can use it.
Here is objective proof that Eliwood married Ninian.