Top is what Dark Pit haters actually believe

I would legitimately prefer the bottom picture to what we got.

>>267763020
I wouldn't, the more the merrier I always say hehe

>>267762951
>Snake
>Clone
What?

>>267763162
Snake isn't in Nintendo's Super Smash Brothers for Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo's Super Smash Brothers for Nintendo Wii U.

>>267763162

He's a clone of big boss.

>>267763080
>hehe
haha

>>267763162
Snake is a clone
So is Mewtwo

>>267763162
Basic reading comprehension is hard isn't it?

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>>267762951

"We can't add Lucina. People will hate her for being a clone. They'll lose their waifu"
"No. Smash Bros needs its true waifu. You either die a waifu or live long enough to be shoehorned in everywhere. I can be shoehorned in everywhere. Because I'm not a waifu, not like Lucina. I am the unecessary clone. That's what I can be."
"No. No you can't! You're not!"
"I can be whatever smash bros needs me to be."
"They'll hate you."
"You'll hate me. You'll condemn me. Set the dogs on me.
Because that's what needs to happen. Because sometimes you need a scapegoat. Sometimes people deserve their waifu. Sometimes people deserve to get more smash porn"

"Why isn't he an alt costume dad?"
"Because we have to hate him"
"He didn't do anything wrong"
"Because he's the clone smash bros needs, but not the one it deserves. So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Dark Pit"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTr89ENLZPc

>>267762951
>bottom picture still has Toon Link, Ganondorf, and Falco
>meleefags will justify this

>>267762951
don't have 3ds smash, but isn't ganon still a falcon clone?
why is he in the top screen

>>267763431

;_;7

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>>267763162
They're saying that people think that unique characters would be put in instead of clones when the reason the clones are in is because it took hardly any time to make them and they're basically just the icing on the cake

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>main Marth
>unlock Lucina
>she looked similar, I'll try her out
>she's a shameless 1:1 clone of Marth

I know she was trying to copy him or whatever but fuck

OP you accidentally posted this in /co/ earlier you retard

>>267763559

I'd say it'd feel wrong if she didn't play like Marth

>>267763162

You're missing the point. Naive people think the time and cost to create Lucina, Dark Pit or Doctor Mario is the equivalent of adding unique characters to the roster.

>>267763674
>going to /co/ after that nigger took over

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>>267763431


Thank you Dark Pit

>>267763723
>>267763559
But she was born 1000 years after Marth how could she copy his style?

>>267763464
cutting wolf instead of falco is a shitty move
>inb4 BUT MUH MELEE
fuck you cunts, at least wolf wasn't that much of a clone as falco is

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Dr. Mario
>Different model
>Different special attack and down aerial

Lucina
>Different model
>Different voice
>No tipping mechanic

Dark Pit
>???

Why are Fox/Falco, Jigglypuff/Kirby, Ganon/CptFalcon, Ike/Marth on the list that excludes the clones?

>>267763825
l-lewd

>>267763838

Maybe he had no style

>>267763880

>different voice
>different side special and regular special

>>267763937
does marth have no grace either?

>>267763880
Final Smash
Side B

>>267763880
Electroshock knocks back diagonally
Upperdash arm knocks enemies more upward

>>267764028
Marth has plenty of grace don't be silly. His face on the other hand..

>>267763853

I'm butthurt about this too. Especiallly because Sakurai said he wanted Wolf over Falco in melee and Falco was only their to be a visually distinctive clone of Fox.
Then he gave Wolf a unique moveset in Brawl and I thought he was sure to stay

>>267763880
My thoughts as well. Dr. Mario and Lucina have a lot to make themselves different from Mario and Marth, but beyond small stuff (DP's electro arm knocks at a lower angle than Pit's arm, DP's ftilt has a different sweet spot than Pit's ftilt as well, and DP's arrows don't curve that much) what makes DP different from Pit?

>>267764053

Is the final smash really different if it's exactly the same as Zelda/Sheik's?

>>267764096

Could he handstand when he wanted to, though?

>>267764197

Is Dr Mario's down air really different if it's exaclty the same as Luigis?

>>267763080
More? The only major difference there is Dr. Mario being what normal Mario should be already. There is no "more" with them there since they are more or less alt costumes given a character slot. Sakurais Dark Pit got in as a clone but they cut clones too? It's retarded. There were better ways to pad the roster and he chose to suck himself off just a little more. When people started calling him out on going too far he started name calling like a bitch. Sakurai can fuck off.

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>>267763881
Because they aren't clones?

The image is referring to Dark Pit, Lucina and Dr. Mario.

>>267764358
>When people started calling him out on going too far he started name calling like a bitch. Sakurai can fuck off.

Are...
Are we talking about the imaginary Sakurai inside your head?

>>267764427
>Falco
>Ganondorf
>not clones

>>267764335

I guess not.

>>267764510
>I never used Falco passed Melee

>>267763881
I know it's bait, but there seriously people who still think Ike is a clone of Marth.

>>267764510
>Ganondorf

>much slower than Cap
>muh stronger than cap
>specials have different timing and effects
>clone
I will never get this

Is there a single Dark Pit defender that doesn't want to fuck him?

>>267764476
You didn't see the blurb of him saying Dark Pit was like a dessert, even though it's more like a bowl of mud?

>>267764476
Not that guy. He did, actually. He said that whomever complained about the final roster is probably a child. I agree with the statement to a degree, though.

>>267764597
>Blue Hair
>Sword
That's all people need

>>267763758
Lucina did take time, she needed her own model and voice actresses.

>>267764664
I don't agree with it at all. He's meant to make a product for other people, not himself. If he adds in his favorites and Donut Steels to the roster and expects to not be called out on it? He can fuck off. It's that simple.

But falco, ganondorf, wolf, and several others are clones?

>>267764664
>>267764656

source?

Why does Dark Pit deserve a spot over other characters that would take equal or less resources or development time such as Wolf or Lucas?

As much as I like lucina, top is the superior roster. Sakurai came out and said Lucina, Dr. Mario, and Dark pit were alts made into characters. Best would be top with these characters as alts.

>>267764676
isn't blue hair on the protag something they just do every time in Fire Emblem?

>Shulk makes it in.
Dissu vely rare occurance, so sayeth I Sakurai-sama! Dissu anime swordsman is vely oliginar for Sakulai-sama Brosu. I hope you rike it! Also Dalk Pittu!

>>267764686
But other non clone characters would need all that + more.

>>267764656
>>267764664
No, he said "But, I guess since a lot of them are children, it cannot be helped."

>>267764830

If you think Wolf and Lucas would take less time than Dark Pit you're retarded

>>267764960
>muh animoo swordsmen

>>267764830
Don't even bother. Every time someone brings this up the shills handwave it and call you the same names Sakurai spurts out as if his shit don't stink. KI:U most certainly did not deserve three reps, even if one is a clone, over other franchises like DK. They'll start claiming how well a series does doesn't matter and other bullshit, or how popular something is, but it's all more handwaving garbage.

>>267764836
It's something they do very often. FE2 (Alm's official art varies from green hair to blue hair, his portrait has blue hair), FE5, FE6 + 7 (Eliwood is the main Lord, but it also has a blue hair protag), and FE10 (Micaiah is the new protag introduced, but Ike is also in) are the games to not have a blue haired main protag.

FE13 can probably also be counted, considering the avatar totally steals the spotlight from everyone. Lucina is hardly even a main character.

>>267764830
Like who?
He's literally a recolor of Pit, that couldn't have possibly taken very long.

>>267764651
>Pittoofags are all pedos
Is this supposed to surprise anyone?

>>267765103
Did Dark Pit and Sakurai kill your family?

>>267765040
So now Smash Brothers should be made as fast as possible? Let's make everyone a Mario clone then. Why bother putting effort into the roster, the main important thing of the series, when we can just pad it with infinite clones and the shills will eat it up?

>>267765040
Wolf I'll give you, but Lucas really isn't that far off.

>>267764358
>Dr. Mario being what Mario should be already
>wanting Mario to be worse
For what purpose?

>>267765210
Killed any hope I had of the game not being a biased piece of slapped together garbage. Is that close enough?

I really don't mind Dr. Mario but Dark Pit is literally a clone and fuck that shit.

>>267765269
>3 clone out of over 50 characters
>THEY DIDN'T PUT ANY EFFORT INTO THE ROSTER SO THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER AND MAKE THEM ALL MARIO CLONES

>>267765040
Maybe a little longer but not much. They're already existing characters that have movesets and final smashes. They could moved over with some small balance tweaks.

>>267765430
>I don't like that he put in a few character I don't like out of around 50

Why's Ganondorf still there if you took out the clones

>>267762951
neither are true because mii's are missing

>>267765269

Are you complaining that we didn't get enough newcomers? Because I don't, we got enough interesting newcomers in Smash 4 and every single character got custom moves on top of that.

>IF DARK PIT WASNT IN <ANOTHER CHARACTER> WOULD BE

no
fuck off

>>267765481
You're more than welcome to be happy with franchises like DK being shafted because Sakurai doesn't give a damn about anything the west enjoys, but I'm not. He can fuck off. Which I'm sure he does to all his Dark Pit porn.

>>267765296
Lucas has a full set of unique A attacks, Dark Pit doesn't.
It's very far off.

>>267765592
Half of the newcomers people didn't even ask for. I'm not felating the man for ignoring the people he's meant to be making the game for.

>>267765713
Lucas has a very similar up air and forward smash, but yeah he's pretty different overall.

>>267765620
you're probably right

they most likely made Dark Pit in around 20 minutes just as extra filler

>>267765690
so Dark Pit getting in means a DK rep didn't get in?

I refer you yo >>267765620

>>267765481
I forgot about all that effort that went into making 3 movesets for Palutena. It's not like they could've brought back Wolf and Lucas with the time wasted on them, right?

>>267765785

Oh please do tell me what Newcomers you wanted instead of what we got

I... I just liked Pitoo theme and he was right in the game. God dammit, this already happened with meta knight. At least dedede is still safe

>>267765917
what makes you think that they took as long as a character

>>267765861
Did I say that? I'm saying he made the roster heavily one sided for the East and neglected Western fans. When western fans have had enough after seeing Dark Pit they're going to call him out on his bullshit, which I see nothing wrong with. If the roster wasn't blatantly one sided then I'd be far less pissed.

No, one character in Lil Mac does not make it any less one sided.

>>267765939
Hm lets see now.

>Dixie Kong
>Ridley
>Mewtwo
>Eren Jager
>Kirito
>Asuna
>Naruto
>Ichigo
>Rainbow Dash
>Shadow
>Silver
>Tails
>Knuckles

yeah shoulda left it to me

>>267765917
The Miis ate up much more time than that.
I feel they're a waste because they can't be used online.

Come on, you guys are acting like they created all the data for them and then just decided to delete it.

>>267766070
>No Goku
Shit list

>>267765620
I would have been happy if they cut Dark Pit just to put in more resources for new character victory themes. So many of them are recycled straight from Brawl

>>267765981
People hated Meta Knight for a totally different reason, because he was a broken piece of shit that was unfun to play against at even the most casual level. I was hyped for Metaknight too, so I feel your pain.

>>267766150
But they have the space for other victory themes even with Dark Pit
Face it; Dark Pit's inclusion didn't exclude anything.

>>267766008
>Japanese director in a Japanese gaming company makes a game that primarily uses Japanese gaming characters

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!

Here's the issue: it's not that there's clones, it's that the clones they chose to make are bullshit.

Why does Kid Icarus get more reps than several other more-deserving series?

Here's the three clones we should've gotten instead:
>Dark Samus
>Any Pikmin captain
>Lucas

Kid Icarus, Mother and Pikmin all have two reps each and Metroid has three, instead of the nonsensical representation we have now.

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>We could've gotten Mewtwo instead of Jigglypuff back in Smash 64
>instead of being stuck with Mewtwo until the end of time, we are stuck with Jigglypuff

I'm not even a Mewtwofag. I'm just one hell of a Jigglypuff hater. Seriously this thing is irrelevant as fuck in the games.

>>267766221

People are just being retarded. If Dark Pit was an alt costume nobody would be complaining althought it would take exactly the same effort.

>>267765620
Alph

>>267766085
half of their stuff is taken from someone else
There's no games to base them off of, so they can do anything.

>>267766332
Nah

>>267765850
It wasn't even they.
It was literally just Sakurai.
/v/ is so fucking stupid about the shit they complain about.

>>267766280

The smash 4 clones are not supposed to be real reps

The reason why the clones are all from franchrises that all got a lot of reps already anyway is because they're just fanservice characters, not characters that are supposed to represent their games.

>>267766280
Dark Samus wasn't an alt for Samus.

>>267762951
What I would actually prefer is the bottom, because it would save me the time of having to complete the game with the extra shitty characters that add nothing of real importance to the game.

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I don't even care that Dark Pit's a clone. I just hate how he's the most lazy clone ever made. He has exactly 2 statistical differences from Pit, differences which don't really change how you play the character.

The time it took them to think up, plan, and create equipment and custom moves that can't even be used online and really have no place in the game could've gone to making more characters or making certain characters more unique.

>>267766281
Mewtwo isn't exactly relevant in the games either.
Almost no Pokemon other than the cover legendary is.

>>267766348
The point was that time was spent on them and I can't use them online, so what's the point? They are most certainly wasted time.

>>267766281
>Jigglypuff
God, don´t remind me. Probably the worst rep for pokemon. Pikachu is more than enough

>>267766472
You mean all of about 6 hours of work? Sure. No.

>>267766375
You are wrong. I just proved you wrong.

Also they could've given Olimar a proper voice

>>267766280
>Here's the issue: it's not that there's clones, it's that the clones they chose to make are bullshit.
Literally grasping for straws just to be mad at this point

>Why does Kid Icarus get more reps than several other more-deserving series?
Oh look, more whining about how your favourite character didn't get in but someone else did. Kid Icarus has 2 reps and a clone. A clone that was added just for roster padding's sake. No other character was harmed in the 15 minute development of Dark Pit.

>Here's the three clones we should've gotten instead:
>Dark Samus
>Any Pikmin captain
>Lucas
No bitch, that's not a solution, that's just what you personally want. No one else would fucking like that. Why would I want another Pikmin captain when we already have Alph? They all look the damn same.

Kid Icarus, Mother and Pikmin all have two reps each and Metroid has three, instead of the nonsensical representation we have now.
What does it matter how many "reps" they have? It's a fighting game filled with unique movesets. Sorry you can't fulfill your little headcannon make-a-wish stories filled with your favourite characters but you're supposed to be playing the game.

>>267766482
melee clones were pretty much identical until Brawl, so just look forward to the next Smash game where Dark Pit will have a completely different moveset from Pit

>>267766634
Please show me exactly where Sakurai said "The inclusion of Dark Pit as a character in Smash Bros meant that we could not include Alph as his own character."

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Why bitch about the clones when you know they're going to expand the roster with DLC later on.

>B-b-but Sakurai said he wouldnt

He said he didnt have it in mind at the time while the 3DS version was still being worked on, so it can still happen,

Dark Pit haters are stupid

I love playing with him online and seeing purple Charizards getting mad

>>267766704
The proof is right there in the final 3DS version. Instead of Alph to help give Pikmin another rep, he chose Dark Pit. Totally not because he's bias, but because Dark Pit is just so much better at everything and has a shota dick mmm Sakurai sama do no wrong.

>>267766704
If they had not modelled, animated, written and voiced dark pit, then they could've done all that for alph, who ACTUALLY is his own character.

Fuck, he doesn't even have the same body as Olimar so he looks weird as fuck

>>267763825
Holy fuck, that's disgusting. She's suppose to have cute 16 year old A cups, not milf cow tits.

No Lucas, no buy

>>267766914
Did anyone want Alph? At all? What could he do differently?

I just don't get how you can get butthurt about literally bonus characters that are solely there for their fans. Lucina fans are happy about Lucina being in. Dr Mario fans are happy about the Dr being back. Dark Pit fans are happy about him being in.
Anyone else should not even care.

Like, are people also getting mad that you got the 8-bit sword as a bonus in Hyrule Warriors? Of course not. Why would you be. Only smash fans are retarded enough to get mad over getting more stuff

>>267766539
Jiggly was a big part of early pokemon marketing along with poliwhirl

>>267767023
Rock pikmim rather then purple, and he could be lighter and faster, since he is smaller then Olimar.

Rock Pikmin could've just been a skin swap

>>267766959

>implying you didn't fap to it

>>267766832
I'm still waiting to see if they have a few extra characters being held back to help hype the Wii U version. Yeah I may be setting myself up for disappointment, but that seems par for the course regarding Smash 4.

>>267767023
Did anyone want Dark Pit? At all? What could he do differently?

>>267767192
>Did anyone want Dark Pit? At all? What could he do differently?
So it doesn't matter either way, does it?
What's the point of bitching about it?

>>267766951
And Dark Pit is ACKCHUALLY fucking retarded.

Gaming history has its great duplicates:
Doppleganger Dante
Omega Zero
Gunstar Green
Metaknight

Dark Pit is a fucking plot device, that's his only purpose, and should have remained such.

>>267767153

You'd still have to model them, which would take more work

>>267766914
You're just being stupid. If single rep franchrises like Pikmin or Metroid got clones, people would whine just as much, if not even fucking more, because they didn't get real reps but only clone reps instead of a proper newcomer.

The alt costume clones are pure fanservice and aren't there for representation of the series

>>267766527
>First Mega evolution
>"Ultimate" pokemon hidden in the caves for the first game
>Up to like 3 fucking movies
People love to undermine Mewtwo lately.

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>>267766697
>melee clones were pretty much identical until Brawl,
>I know nothing about the Melee clones

>>267767153
Imagine alph being separate would mean olimar keeping the old tether instead of flying pikmin

>>267766527
>Mewtwo isn't exactly relevant in the games either.
You are either stupid on purpose or you haven't played any Pokemon games.
>catchable in Gen 6 in an area only for Mewtwo
>The only thing that surpasses Arceus' BST (with Mega Evolutions)
>Got 2 Megas
>still appears in the anime (Mega Evolution Special and Origins)
>got a signature move in gen 5 (Psystrike)
>multiple distribution events in B/W and B/W2

The only way to make it more relevant would be to make a whole game about Mewtwo.

>>267767337
They'd just have to rig the skeleton honestly. The model already exists as a trophy

>toon link not a clone

>>267767337
Dark pit has his own model you know.

Honestly they should've made Alph a semi clone and not added any of the 3 clones

>>267767312
If Sakurai does shit I don't agree with, as the consumer, I'm allowed to bitch about it. This isn't entitlement, this is being a goddamn consumer. It's entitlement if I expected this shit for free, which I don't. They don't have to listen to my bitching, but people are well in the right to call Sakurai out on bullshit.

>>267767312
Because Alph doesn't fucking have "Dark" in his name. And could play much differently.

Dark Pit is virtually indistinguishable from Pit. The differences are incredibly minor -- certainly not worth putting an edgelord on the roster.

>>267767093

Remember that smash fans are the same autists who thought Ridley was gonna be playable.
Remember that smash fans are the same autists who thought that Sakurai would NEVER EVER make a different character an alt costume for another character.
Remember that smash autists are the ones who complain if you get too many modes and too much options to play around with.
Remember that smash fans are the autists who make up retarded patterns like "FE Lord will always be replaced by new FE Lord" or "Most recent popular Pokemon will always be replaced by the very most recent most popular Pokemon"

>>267767515
>Honestly they should've made Alph a semi clone and not added any of the 3 clones

The 3 alt costumes clones don't even take nearly the same amount of time as a single semi clone.
Also nobody even wanted Alph, you're just latching onto Alph because he is in as an alt costume and are grasping at straws

>>267767391
>catchable in Gen 6 in an area only for Mewtwo
Like lots of legendaries.
>The only thing that surpasses Arceus' BST (with Mega Evolutions)
Except not Rayquaza is doing that next
>Got 2 Megas
So did Charizard
>still appears in the anime (Mega Evolution Special and Origins)
I said game, you retard.
>got a signature move in gen 5 (Psystrike)
Multiple Pokemon have signatures, Pikachu's came late too.
>multiple distribution events in B/W and B/W2
So did other legendaries.

Mewtwo isn't special, he's just another legendary now.

>>267767541

Well I'm also entitetled to saying that your opinion is pretty retarded and that I'm glad that you're disregarded

>all the children in this thread

Sakurai doesn't expect you to understand. Maybe when you're older.

>>267767391
>>267767339
I really don't get it either. He's certainly a Pokemon staple, and he's globally wanted to return in Smash. I see no reason at all that GameFreak and/or Sakurai would not want him in because it would generate hype and make fans happy, which can only be good for sales and word of mouth. I really don't fucking get it.

>>267767576
Everyone knows two points of correlating data makes a trend, haven't you watched ancient aliens at all?

>>267763162
nintenyearolds in charge of actually knowing anything beyond their franchises everyone

>>267767748
Okay, now tell me which other Pokemon got all of these things?

>>267767748
>So did Charizard
>Charizard's in Smash
Uhhh...

I can hate Dark Pit, Dr. Mario and Lucina without wanting them off the roster or being retarded enough to think them missing would somehow add other characters to the roster, anon.

>>267767679
So the time it took to animate, model, write and voice (cept for doc) 3 characters was shorter then the time to tweak a character, and add like 3 little new models?

Fuck off

>>267767093

Seriously this. Why the fuck is this even a debate. People are stupid

>>267767786
I didn't know people from IGN browsed /v/.

>>267767192
>play differently
How exactly? Pikmin management is Olimar's gimmick. Nobody else can do that. Making him a clone makes it less special. We don't get clones of characters like the IC, Mac, Robin, or Lucario with the same gimmick. We get Link, Mario, Fox, and Falcon, characters with no gimmicks.

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>>267763310

>>267767541
>>267767571
You're complaining about him not doing the same exact shit for a different character, replace shit with shit.
What the hell is the difference?

>>267767936

Dark Pit, Lucina and Dr Mario were all already in as alt costumes you retard.
They literally were only moved to their own slot. Yes they took absolutely not time and you're being stupid

>>267766281
Except jigglypuff lead to a very unique aerial, offstage play style that no other character can really compare with. Jiggly may not be relevant to pokemon anymore, but why would you get rid of a unique and fun to play character?

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>>267767963

>I-I'm entitled to my opinion and am allowed to state it, no matter how retarded it is!
>B-but you aren't!

Fuck off

The funny thing is, if Dark Pit, Lucina and Dr Mario hadn't been in the game at all, but then were added as free DLC a week later, nobody would be bitching about anything

>>267768037
Same can be said for alph.

Just model him a properly sized body, tweak his weight n speed and there ya go.

Less work the docter Mario and dark pit

>>267767748
>Like lots of legendaries
He was still the first Mega Evolution shown, One of the only few to get 2 mega evolutions, and got a new movie out of this generation

>Except not Rayquaza is doing that next
Are you honest to god trying to bring up the future as an argument? lol

>So did Charizard
Yeah, and he's in the game. Other than that Charizard doesn't meet up to Mewtwo in this "who deserves it more" contest in the slightest

>I said game, you retard.
That's not how Pokemon are decided for Smash, "you retard."
"What are the new Pokemon? Who's hot right now? Who's being shown in the movies?" literally the questions Sakurai asks GameFreak

>got a signature move in gen 5 (Psystrike)
>Multiple Pokemon have signatures, Pikachu's came late too.
>multiple distribution events in B/W and B/W2
>So did other legendaries.
This shit is just a clusterfuck of unneccessary

>Mewtwo isn't special, he's just another legendary now.
Choosing to ignore reasons as to why he's special doesn't make him unspecial

>>267768312
This is true.

>>267768341

Still need to model the Rock Pikmin you're proposing

Or you make him an exact clone like DP, DM and Lucina, in which case you'd just have an additional clone to whine about.

There's no winning with faggots like you. You'd bitch no matter what

>>267768312
Uh, yes I would? Out of all the deserving characters for those to be dlc at all seems like bullshit, I'm sorry.

>>267768438
Model rock pikmin over purple.

This would take all of 20 minutes because of how low poly rock pikmin are

>>267767882
So what's the need for Mewtwo then?

>>267768348
You're out of your mid if you think Mewtwo is more popular than Charizard.
And Mewtwo isn't the only pokemon to get special treatment therefor he isn't as special as you make him out to be. Most of the Mega evolutions were from Gen 1 and Mewtwo is the biggest Gen 1 legendary, so no shit he got one first.

>>267768513

No you wouldn't. You'd realize they are bonus characters nobody expected and be happy you got additional characters.

>>267762951
>there are people who would prefer to bitch about 2 poor roster additions for literally 2 months then just play video games
I guess I'll just avoid smash threads, I guess.

>>267765210
Jesus dude, he's just criticizing a shitty part about the game. Stop taking this as personal attacks against your husbando Sakurai

>>267768661
>Gee thanks waiter, I'm glad you brought me this free bowl of feces!

>>267768312

No wonder modern companies do day one DLC bullshit. People these days would COMPLAIN if you gave them all content day one. They want content to be held back and then charge for more feeling they got more by paying more

>>267768659
>So what's the need for Mewtwo then?
I'm just saying you're contradicting yourself there, m8y.

>>267763431
Underrated post

>>267767748
Your arguments are fucking nothing and you also went full ad hominem.
Mewtwo is probably the most relevant Pokemon along with Charizard and Pikachu in the entire franchise.
>Like lots of legendaries
Mewtwo was the only one who got an entire area for itself. Aside from Xerneas and Yveltal. Zygarde only got a small side room in an ingame cave.
>except not rayquaza is doing that next
1. You dont know that yet
2. Mewtwo is still the first thing to surpass Arceus
>So did Charizard
Which is in Smash and also the only other thing that stands up to Mewtwo in terms of relevance
>I said game, you retard.
okay
>Multiple Pokemon have signatures, Pikachu's came late too.
>So did other legendaries.
Yeah. That's true but it shows that GF hasn't forgotten about Mewtwo.

>>267767748
>so did charizard
guess why they both got two? because they are the two most popular pokemon ever made and you really have to accredit it more to the anime than the games. Stop acting like that shit doesn't matter. Kalos gave Mewtwo a focus just like it gave the gen 1 starters and it gave to lucario with korina.

I don't mind Lucina, I can tolerate Doc Mario because of his down b, and I am not against clones at all. I just want Dark Pit gone

>>267768770

>he can only make shit analogies and can't voice a proper opinion

Are you saying you're entiteled to DLC? Because you're just being stupid for the purpose of being stupid. Would you also complain if Miss Pacman, Protoman and Mr L as free DLC characters a week from now?

>>267768659
>You're out of your mind if you think Mewtwo is more Popular than Charizard
Please show me where I even implied that. We were talking about reasons why characters deserve to be in, and we presented them. Not a popularity contest.
Mewtwo being one of few to get special treatment makes him special. That's literally what being special is. Just because you're not "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ONLEH JUAN IN TEH WORLD" doesn't mean it's not a special case. Regardless of the fact that Gen 1 pokemon got Megas (Which isn't even a correct broad assumption), he was the first one shown ever as "Mewtwo Awakened". You said it yourself, Mewtwo is the biggest Gen 1 legendary. On top of all the other shit that you choose to ignore that alone makes him worthy of being in this game.

>>267768558
It's the same amount of effort as modeling Dark Pit's side-special. The inclusion of Alph as his own character offers nothing different to the inclusion of Dark Pit. People would still be fussing.

>>267768312

This.

>>267763880
that cosplayer got really fat

>>267763431

B
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SAKURAI
V
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>>267762951
hmm , looks more clean
i prefer the bottom.

>>267764358
Saying Smash fans are mostly children isn't name calling. It mostly is children.

I like how Dark Pitfags have begun to perpetuate this lie in a desperate attempt to defend their dessert that is no more than their salad with a different dressing.

>>267769002
>makes him worthy of being in this game.
Never said he wasn't worthy, show me where I said that.
He's no more relevant to the entirety of Pokemon than every other legendary other than being part of the first gen.

>>267769435
Why'd you have to say that like a faggot?

>>267769435

So we got a salad with a different dressing. What's the big deal? You don't have to eat it if you don't want. I like more salad

>>267766150
I don't think the people who make the themes worked on Dark Pit.

>>267763431

>yfw if Dark Pit wasn't in the game, Lucina would get all the shit Dark Pit got

>>267769453
You keep saying this even though you got more than enough arguments that he is indeed a lot more relevant than any other legendary in the game.

>>267769053
Except the fact that alph is an actual character.

Thus including the novelty of being able to play as Alph.

>>267769453
Yeah, Uxie and Mewtwo are on the same level of popularity or relevance. Clearly. There's nothing wrong with that statement.

>>267769053
It offers a character with a more distinct appearance. Someone who's more than a palette swap. That's the only reason why Alph is brought up at all.

>>267769715

People would bitch about Alph not getting a proper moveset, don't even kid yourself.
Dark Pit, Dr Mario and Lucina are all also clones in their own games, that's why they're also clones in smash bros.

If you anti-clone fags love food analogies that much here's one for you from me.

When Sakurai gave me a steaming hot plate of Greninja, it filled me up full; but because he was a decent enough chef, I still ate some of the things he wanted to give me afterward.

>>267769453
You said he wasn't relevant in the games.
In a game where these monsters are out by the millions and all you do is capture them and use them for some RPG-Style fighting, for them to go out of their way to make Mega Mewtwo Y the posterboy for Mega Evolutions, including him in the X and Y story as well as making him the original "bad ass ultimate legendary" pokemon, yes, he is relevant in the games as relevant gets when you're not a human character.
He's definitely more relevant than Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, and so on, because he keeps coming back, keeps buffing up, keeps appearing in movies and squeezing himself into mainline parts of games aside from the fact that there's over 600 pokemon now.

>>267764625

>same moveset as Cap except for fair, sideB and that horrible awful utilt

Now do you get it?

>>267769791

Alph doesn't look all that different to Olimar at all on the 3DS screen.
His nickname was literally Blue Olimar when Pikmin 3 released. And you faggots would call him that right now and bitch about him if he was also a clone

>>267769715
>>267769791

But Dark Pit is an actual character. There was a Kid Icarus game between Brawl and Sm4sh, you know. Dark Pit isn't just the alternate colour from Brawl.

>>267769847
Eating shit will make you sick, anon.

>>267768003
Well I'm not 541, for one.

Secondly, the main crux of this whole thing is that Dark Pit is an undeserving, practically identical clone that brings absolutely nothing to the table, whereas Alph could use other Pikmin in new ways and reference an entire game.

>>267769664
They spent time making a brand new theme for Dark Pit. At least one other veteran getting a new theme would have been worth cutting him.

>>267769961
Hey, I was repulsed when I was served Shulk, but I tried it anyway and I really like it now. I just wish I could try his cock

>>267769953
He's straight up just Pit.

>I'm totally my own being!
Do the stuff Pit does because he can't.
>But...
Do it, bitch.
>O-okay...

>>267769961

You gotta tell me how a red apple is perfectly fine, but if you get a red and a green apple it's suddenly a bowl of shit

>>267770078
Alph is just straight up Olimar.

>We need the Pikmin's help to collect shit
>O-okay...

>>267769928
Yeah but here's the thing

>different hair
>different nose
>different ears
>different eyes
>freckles

Vs

>palette swap

Alph wins.

>>267767936
>So the time it took to animate, model, write and voice (cept for doc) 3 characters
All that work was already done before they were considered as clones.

>>267770165
Kid Icarus already had a newcomer, Pikmin didn't. Which one deserves it more?

>>267762951
The existence of custom moves should have made clones obsolete and freed up space for previously clone characters to fully get their own moves. Instead we still got clones and the ones that should have got unique moves were left unchanged or worse were cut. Fuck Sakurai.

>>267763838
how could martial arts still be the same?
how the fuck does that work.

>>267769953
Yes. Everybody fucking knows this. I played Uprising, and although he wasn't the best character he was still pretty entertaining. That being said, from a design standpoint, he's Pit with a new coat of paint. That's the biggest factor as to why people don't like his inclusion, and why Alph is brought up so much.

>>267770186

All small nice little details, but if Alph woudln't be a clone you'd be just as much of a shitposting faggot about it. Someone would list all these differences and then you'd go

>hurr durr LOOK AT ALL THESE SMALL INSIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES. TOTALLY A DIFFERENT CHARACTERS GUYS!! Fuck off with your blue Olimar and fuck Sakurai, noone's buying this shit

>>267769847

Do you actively try to be a faggot or does it just come naturally?

>>267770271
That's because all the Pikmin characters do exactly the same thing. Sure, Pit and Dark Pit do exactly the same thing, but there isn't six different Pits who all do the same thing.

>>267769791
Alph's appearance really isn't that distinct. He's the Olimar of Pikmin 3 and it's incredibly obvious. That's why he's the alt over the other two.

>>267770271

Clones aren't real newcomers. Pikmin deserves a proper newcomer or only a single rep

>>267770382
Alph is just Olimar in a new body

>love Kid Icarus
>love Smash
>love the endless amounts of sperg anal pain over Dark Pit's inclusion

You guys could actually be doing some serious good in the world if you spent half the effort on that that you do on whining about the roster.

>>267770409
Alph is shorter then Olimar and has a different voice and face.

He's an actual character

>>267770271
Pikmin deserves better than a clone. Olimar's moveset is entirely unique to the game, I don't want Alph stealing his shit.

>>267770526
no because i dont like dark pit!!!!

>>267770620

>mfw Pittoo is supposed to be obnoxious
>mfw people are supposed to make fun of Pittoo for just being a black Pit
>mfw Sakurai plays everyone like a fiddle
>mfw >>267763431

>>267770078
>>267770165
You guys are arguing over the wrong stuff. Sakurai was going to give us his "dessert" after a fancy meal and expect us to be impressed no matter what. This is a matter of wanting the Twinkie or wanting the same rice you just had but with pepper.

>>267770018
They do the same shit.
Command and throw Pikmin.
It's replacing shit with shit. Unless you're saying without Dark Pit, Alph would have a unique moveset, which is wrong.

>>267770693
Please tell me what Alph would do that Olimar wouldn't

>>267770692

You're completely ignoring that you only want Alph just so you have something to bitch about. If Alph was actually a clone you'd bitch about Alph being a clone

>>267770692
You didn't play Uprising, did you?

>>267770409
No I wouldn't because I clearly haven't been shut posting about Doc or Lucina here because the main crux of my argument is in regards to Dark Pit's design. You can't just place us into lala land and expect to win the argument.

>>267770832
Not much, which is why I'm not campaigning for him over Dark Pit. Pit's moveset is fun but nothing special, so Dark Pit being a clone is something I couldn't care less about. Olimar represents Pikmin near perfectly on his own.

>>267771001
You are not who that comment was directed towards, then

>>267770910
Not him, but I did.
And Dark Pit is nothing more than Pit's inner thoughts and recolored black.
He's Pit.

>everyone arguing about Alph when we should've had Dixie and Dark Samus

:^)

>>267770986

So you're telling me you'd be prefectly content if Alph was a clone and then you wouldn't bitch about anything?

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>>267771094
>Pit's inner thoughts
Except not at all

>>267771132
yeah but id rather have naruto than dark pit or alph tbh :/ fucking sakurai

>>267771001
So you're full of shit then.

Alph would've been perfect for a clone, since he actually has minimal differences that could've made him slightly unique from Olimar

>>267771094
Supposedly yes, but no. Characters question why that isn't the case more than once.

>>267771121
Fuck Dark Samus. Dark Samus is a great enemy in the Prime games but it being a dark Samus is the absolute least interesting thing about it. I would rather have SA-X if it has to be a power suited clone.

>>267771264
Dark Pit himself doesn't have the differences, but the weapons in Kid Icarus do; which is what Sakurai (sort of) did.

>>267770832
Rock Pikmin, which for some reason isn't even a fucking custom move. There's other stuff from Pikmin you could pull from to make a moveset like the treasures, enemies, bomb rocks, sprays etc.

>>267771264
And I'm saying that Olimar shouldn't get a clone because he's too unique. He has a special spot in the game, and his moveset deserves more respect than that. Alph would be a far more egregious clone than Dark Pit ever was.

>>267765939
to be fair, the only "highly requested" newcomers that made it in were Megaman and Little Mac.

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>>267764358
>There is no "more" with them there since they are more or less alt costumes given a character slot
>implying Doc and Mario aren't from different universes

>>267771443
and Ridley but we have to wait until the Wii U version

>>267771362
No. Dark pit has no differences. At all.

Alph is smaller then Olimar, and has his own face. And name.

>>267771443
And Robin and Miis and Villager.

>>267762951
kek. you used the images from the video of the recreation of the leak

>>267769953
Then Sakurai should have called him something other than Dark Pit, and done more than just make his toga black, to reflect the quality of the character.

If indeed that character IS quality.

There is no such thing as 'character slots'.

>>267771484
Dr Mario's trophy just says he's Mario in a coat

>>267771172
Except he is.
>>267771276
"Flawed and incomplete because they broke the mirror as he was made." Oh spare me, he acts like Pit in reverse just like a reflection.

>>267771438
>he shouldn't be in because of these rules that I made up

>>267771621
But he is a reflection of Pit created by a magic mirror. That's his character. (and yes, he is a character, there was a Kid Icarus game between Brawl and Sm4sh.)

>>267771621
>then Sakurai should have called him something other than Dark Pit, and done more than just make his toga black, to reflect the quality of the character.

but then the whole joke about him is lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GabCS6o6FSo

>>267771698
That's the entire argument against clones in the first place.

>>267771641
oh

>>267771290
SA-X is literally Samus with white eyes. How is that better than Dark Samus?

The only reason Dark Pit is in is because Sakurai wanted the Electro-Arm in the game but felt it didn't fit Pit's character. Dark Pit also has Zelda's Final Smash because he felt the Sacred Treasures didn't fit Dark Pit.

Meanwhile, Dr. Mario's Final smash is exactly like Mario's, Falco still drives a Landmaster, and Toon Link doesn't manipulate the wind.

>>267771752
The arguement is that clones shouldn't be LITERAL clones like Dark Pit is

>>267766832
Beginning of post
>you know they're going to

End of post
>it can still happen

Anon, you're already convincing yourself otherwise.

>>267771775
You have to remember, even Mario will settle for some simple lore sometimes.

>>267771783
Because it's interesting as a clone of Samus, whereas the name and design of Dark Samus actually hold it down as a character. Dark Samus' name and design bring nothing interesting to the character, it does nothing as a parallel or a rival. It's a monster that just so happens to look like you sometimes.

>>267771784

>The only reason Dark Pit is in is because Sakurai wanted the Electro-Arm in the game but felt it didn't fit Pit's character

Nah. If Sakurai wanted the KI weapons in the game, he would've made Dark Pit an unique character. WHICH would actually show his bias.

Dark Pit is really only in the game so that Lucina and Doctor Mario don't stick out so much. Mainly Lucina

>>267771784
>Electro-Arm in the game but felt it didn't fit Pit's character
>Pit can use the Electro-Arm his game
wut

>>267771874
Yes, which is a made up rule no more valid than wanting to keep the gimmick characters solo.

>>267771784
And Alph uses the Hoctate ship

And the koopalings become shadow Mario

And shiek uses the light arrows

Fuck sakurai

The funny thing is Dark Pit is more unique than Lucina, and on the same level as Dr.Mario.

Lucina and Dr.Mario don't have a separate final smash from their originals
Dr.Mario has his own special move

Dark Pit and Dr.Mario are better than Lucina.

>>267771967
What if Lucina is there so Dark Pit doesn't stick out.

>>267771967
If Dark Pit actually was unique or used more of the KIU weaponry like his staff, then I'd be easier on him. He'd be more like Wolf and Lucas. But nope, he's Melee-clone tier, completely superfluous and pointless.

>>267772048
And Lucina is pretty much the most blatant fanservice character ever. Genderbent version of the series' mascot.

>>267762951
But that's better. You're not helping your point here OP.

>>267772062

Nah. Lucina was a highly requested character and a lot of fans wanted her. And she was easy to implement since she's basically female Marth and Sakurai would've been an absolute retard if he DIDN'T throw fans that bone.

Initially he wanted her as alt costume, but then decided he wanted to surprise fans by making her a seperate character. Might even be because of Gematsu Leaks. Then he needed a bit more clones to not make Lucina a jarring exception and Doc and Dark Pit were also made clones

>>267772035
Its not a rule you idiot.

Making a clone that's LITERALLY the same character is fucking boring and lame as shit

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>>267762951
>lucario
>not a clone

pick 1

>>267768513
> Literally complaining about Free dlc

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>>267762951
Fixed.

>>267772308

Of whom is Lucario a clone?

>>267772308
Mewtwo and Lucario are nothing alike, dude, why do you people keep doing this after more than six years?

>>267772418
>>267772454
Lucario is a literal mewtwo clone with a added gimmick, just fucking accept it

>tfw the Ridley debacle is older than the majority of children that will play this game
feels weird

>>267772619

You're retarded

>>267772619
What moves do they share outside of Shadow Ball?

>>267772351
We'd have a shit ton of random buttons?

>>267771947
I don't understand your thinking that a parasite in power armor is more interesting than Dark Samus that at least has a different look and abilities.

>>267772715
The two bottom rows would be one.

>>267772619
You can't be serious, can you?

They don't have one move in common other than their standard B which even that moves differently when charged.

>>267772715
So it'd be like Soul Calibur 5?

>>267772620
>tfw there will be futuristic wars between ridleyfags and sakuraiwars

>>267772619
Rosalina plays more like Mewtwo than Lucario you faggot

>>267771727
>>267771749
Then a character like that should not be in Smash.

That's a one-off amongst icons.

All the rump salt from dark pit haters is delicious

Let's not forget that Toon Link, Ganondorf, Falco,and Luigi are also all clones.

>>267772745
Dark Samus is very interesting, but Dark Samus is not interesting as Dark Samus. Calling the Phazon monster Dark Samus and making it a black version of the power suit did nothing to make the character more interesting: it didn't use Samus' powers and it didn't exhibit any of her personality. It was just a monster that happened to look like her. A fine one, but not really using the dark bit well. SA-X being Samus' power suit with a parasite showed off how terrifying the greatest bounty hunter was and how much of a walking army she came off as. It used the clone part of its character to great effect.

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Fuck you Dark Pit fags.

The Prince of Sable should have been the new Smash shota.

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>ITT: people fall for glaringly obvious bait

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>>267773002
>tfw started playing Dark Pit just to fuck with people and ended up loving the fuck out of him

>>267773195

But who's baiting who?

>>267773270
who are you quoting?

>>267773232

>mfw the same

Imagine the butthurt if Dark Pit wins a conquest

>>267773002
The "Hater" argument you children love to spout autistically might be valid, if Dark Pit had enough redeeming qualities to back him up in Smash's roster.

He doesn't, and no one's arguments and references to KI:U are convincing of otherwise.

They took out clones that actually had significance i their series like Lucas and Wolf (who should have replaced Falco), then added a FOURTH FE rep and a THIRD KI rep (who is so blatantly a bad recolour, it`s nuts). Even the Doc shouldn`t have come back, if it meant cutting the second Mother rep and only viable SF villain.

>>267773461
Dark Pit is extremely significant in Uprising.

>>267773461
But it didn't mean cutting anything, and you know that.

>>267770435
>>267770526
Well obviously they function the same way in gameplay, but so do Pit and Dark Pit. Alph however does fulfill a different job from Olimar though. Again my argument is focused on character design.

>>267766281

DeDeDe, Bowser and Peach 2, m8

>>267773369

Who are YOU quoting?

>>267773586
Besides being a literal mirror image?

>>267773421
Delicious tears, stay mad and fuel me you faggot

>>267771132
Probably. Also sorry it took so long to reply. I'm at a doctor's office and just had a finger up my ass.

>>267763310
jaja

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>>267773728
He saves Pit's life multiple times.

Why is shulk on the third party line but mac isb't?

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>Ice Climbers got cut because the 3DS cannot into processing power
>Snake got cut because of a strained business relationship between Nintendo and Konami
>Squirtle and Ivysaur were cut because they were relics of a cut transforming mechanic
>Wolf was cut because he was part of an over-represented franchise and the clone without the tenure
>Lucas was cut because reasons

DON'T YOU FUCKING PULL THAT RELEVANCE ARGUMENT ON ME
YOU KNOW THAT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE 3DS' SHIT PROCESSOR, ICE CLIMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK IN AN INSTANT

>>267773879
He's still just Pit with black hair.

Lame.

>>267773586

Whether he is or not, doesn`t make him a ethical choice in a game like Smash 4 as a representitive. He might be significant in KIU, but he`s at the bottom of the creative barrel alongside Sonic recolours.

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>>267764651
>Have a friend who is obsessed with Kid Icarus: Uprising
>I mean, it was a good game, but this guy takes it way too far
>He always plays Dark Pit
>I ask him why he uses Dark Pit instead of regular Pit
>"I just like his attitude"
>He actually chose a character in Smash Bros for their attitude
>He actually likes Dark Pit's 2edgy attitude
>Can't even call him a no-taste plebeian because he's one of my only friends

>>267773909
Because Shulk was made by a third party creator and Mac wasn't?

>>267774024
Ethical, really?

>>267773996
Wow good retort ya got me faggot

>>267774024
He said how significant Wolf and Lucas were in their respective games.

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>>267773990
>Lucas was cut because reasons
I'm so much more upset about this than anything. Fucking better be in DLC

>>267774139
Monolith Soft is second-party. They're owned by Nintendo.

Saying Xenoblade is third party is like saying Pokemon is third party because it's developed by Game Freak.

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>>267771585
I have never posted on /mlp/

>>267774247
Wolf and Lucas don't share names and faces with fox and ness

>>267774129
>implying people don't play Wario purely because of his attitude
>implying people don't play DK purely because of EXPAND DONG
>implying people don't play Pac Man purely because of AW MAN I'M A MEME

>>267774267
Oh right, they were bought out in 2007. I thought it was after Xenoblade Chronicles. I had my time wrong, I guess it's just because he doesn't fit elsewhere.

>>267774442
I play those three characters because they wreck shit.

>>267774129
Isn't being able to call your friends plebs part of friendship?

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>>267774363

>>267772619
>being this retarded
I lost calcium on my bones just from reading your bullshit.

I really don't like Dark Pit.

I mean, I like KI:U but most people that like him seem to be shota-obsessed creeps or only play him because they know other people don't like him.

I don't have a problem with him being in Smash because he clearly fucking didn't take any effort, but FUCK did he bring even MORE shitty people to Smash which is the last thing the game needs then the game's fanbase is already awful.

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>>267766281
Fucking kill yourself. Jigglypuff is still by far the best Pokemon in smash.

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>>267774642
I like him because when I saw him get created in the story I was like "Oh boy now I have to deal with edgy muh darkness pit for the rest of the game" and then he turned out to be an actually decent character that just happens to wear all black.

>>267774642
I think he's neat because he pretty much is neutral in all the shit that goes down in the game. He sees that the gods are all retarded and fucking everything up for their own gain. I feel like he also appreciates Pit more than anyone else in the game when all the gods take him for granted.

>>267774129
>Not playing characters you like over characters who are gud
Have fun playing Mac/ZeroSuit for the rest of your life, the rest of us have fun to have.

>>267774139
epic

>>267774990

So you're a fedorafag?

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>>267775223
>palutena only cares about muh humans that worship me
>viridi wants to kill all humans for muh nature
>hades wants to kill fucking everything
>dark pit realizes how stupid they all are
>"fedora"
ok m8

>>267774129

You sound like the faggot here

>>267769679

but that's wrong because porn.

People hated WFT until that one piece of porn came out and everyone was like "I ALWAYS WANTED HER IN!!!!"

>>267774945

Same here. Dark Pit is the kind of character who is forced to be the edgy clone, but doesn't want to be. He's hilarious

>>267774129
>2edgy attitude
confirmed for not playing the game. your friend sounds like a cool dude.

>>267773760
Or you could educate someone who's hesitant to pour money into an iffy game, instead of making your side of the argument look AWFUL, Dark Donut awful.

>>267775581

>Hades
>Destroy everything

Nice tinfoil hat.

>>267775223
Greek gods are assholes, that's what they're supposed to be.

>>267766482

This is the real reason why people dislike Dark Pit's inclusion

Though Shotafags will say otherwise and just call you a buttmad Ridleyfag/Mewtwofag/etcfag

>>267773879
Plot armor is nothing new, and certainly not worthy of the Dark moniker.

Anything else?

>>267775972
>plot armor
but he doesn't have plot armor.

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damn links jab combo makes it kinda hard to get in, had to pick lucario and spam side b to outrange the motherfucker, lucario side b at 150% is fucking godlike. fuck you by the way whoever this link player is

>>267775906
If they had spent more time making him different they we wouldn't have gotten him at all. I really can't understand what the problem is, he took such little time to create.