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Which Smash is best Smash? http://strawpoll.me/2760850

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Which Smash is best Smash?

http://strawpoll.me/2760850
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>>267429140
Melee master race, Sm4sh is a snoozzze fest
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>>267429140
As far as gameplay is concerned, Melee > SSB4 > 64 > Brawl.
As far as content is concerned, SSB4 > Brawl > Melee > 64.

I'm a casual so 4 is my favorite.
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Smash 4 has better content than Melee by far and its gameplay exceeds Brawl and 64, which makes it the comparative best.
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Melee:
>Best controller
>Best gameplay
>Best mechanics
>Best version of the best Smash character (Falcon)
toss up between Smash 4 and PM for best balance, though PM does have Mewtwo being too good holding it back and Smash 4 have really bad characters like Ganondorf, Zelda, and Falco holding it back along with characters that instantly were recognized as some of the best like ZSS, Sheik, and Yoshi. And they both have recoveries being too fucking good.
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>>267430427
After what I saw that Zelda do in today's tourney I think we should hold back on saying she sucks, I agree with Falco and Ganondorf though and you should probably add Olimar to the list of shit characters.
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>>267430427
>Ganondorf
>bad in Smash 4

Git gud

Also

>that one kid who picked Brawl
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>>267430427
>really bad character
>Zelda
Naaah
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>>267429140
>in-game model
>in-game model
>in-game model
>pre-render

Why?
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>>267429140
FALCONS
Melee > 4 > 64 > Brawl
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>>267430747
It's not possible to get screenshots on 3DS smash yet.
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>>267430427
>best controller
>implying you cant use the gamecube controller for brawl, pm, and sm4sh as well
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Smash 4 Falcon has the largest bulge, therefore it is the winner
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>Project M
>Even an option
Nope, it's not even a stand alone game
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>>267430747
I don't have a good picture of Sm4sh YES

and I got that from google
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>>267430831
But

It is
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>>267429140
>3DS CF looks better than Brawls
>Can't handle ice climbers for some reason
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"wee r musterr raise, anything is shit"


-Meleefag
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>>267430831
Except it is
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>>267429140
Good lord, did 64 really look that bad? I remember it looking way better than that.
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>>267430920
Oh fuck I was thinking of the internet browser method.

Ignore me I forgot there's an actual screen shot function built in.
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>>267429140
I miss Captain Falcon's more simple, slightly cartoony X/Melee design.

Smash 64 is still my favorite but I do enjoy every other besides Brawl
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>>267431358
After Melee they went too crazy on the details for Falcon, Fox, and Falco. Kinda Mario too but at least they reverted it and made Mario more cartoony in Smash 4
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>>267429140

>Putting PM there like it's actually a main game
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>>267429140

>gun holster changes side every game

Why
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>>267431512
Melee designs were directly referencing the games the characters came from, which I liked.

I assume they were trying to give everyone a more detailed look in Brawl, but since Smash 4 went back to a more cartoony style I don't quite get why Falcon still looks like he did in Brawl.

His design makes it look like he's slowly attempting to turn into a knight or something.
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>>267430906
I guess this is as good as it'll get till the wiiu version comes out
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>those 6 people that voted for Brawl
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>>267430775
This is really all that matters.
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>>267429140
Melee>64=Sm4sh>projectM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>brawl.
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>>267429140
>http://strawpoll.me/2760850
>Brawl
>Getting any votes at all


What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
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>>267432451
>>267432253
fug
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>Melee not winning
It's like you people hate JUSTICE
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Melee > Project M > 64 > 4 > Brawl
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>>267429140
Melee>3DS>Brawl>64
Wii U will probably be first though, when it comes out
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>>267433787
Falcon's knee still sucks in 4, I hate it.
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>>267434016
dude me too.

why would sakurai nerf his 2nd most iconic move
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64>Brawl>smash4>melee
melee is shit tier, just look at you disgusting casuals
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>>267433853
Perfect list.
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>>267433659
>I cannot into image editting and still use MSPaint for everything
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Once Smash 4 hits Wii U, gets a balance adjustment from what they learned from the 3ds version, and they add battlefield like stages to For Gory mode, it will be the best smash game by far.
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>>267429140
Those round shiny things seem to alternate between being apart of his collar and shiny gold nipples.
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>>267434704
That's accurate.
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64 is the best one, even Sakurai agrees.
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>>267435373
>yfw Isai has never lost a set in 64
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>>267435519
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I know the Wii U version isn't out yet, but it'll probably be a direct improvement on the 3DS version, so I'd say it'll probably end up something like (in terms of overall quality):

Smash 4 Wii U > Project: M > Melee = Smash 4 3DS > Brawl > 64

64 is only last due to smallest amount of content and worst graphics. It's still an 8/10 game.
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>>267429140
IMO Melee > 4 > Brawl = N64

All good games. Melee just did things right and I'm not talking about "tourneyfag" stuff. I feel Melee had the best Graphical style (Wii U might end up besting it), trophy descriptions, music quality (not quantity), and definitely the best stages in the series. Smash Wii U's stages are looking pretty great so far though.
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>>267429140
Daw, poor baby OP, you wanted Brawl to win after an argument you had in another thread and you needed the affirmations of majority opinion to make you feel better and now pretty much everyone agrees that Brawl is the worst.
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I wish Smash 4 had a mode where you couldn't air doge.
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>>267433018
This honestly

Brawl is shit. Melee is way better with 4 people and tryhard 1v1s.
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>>267435950
I actually hate Brawl, I think Melee is better than Sm4sh though.
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Brawl > SmashFlash > 64 >>> 4 >>>>>>> Melee

Smash doesnt need technical moves. Sakurai does whats right
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>>267436436
:^)
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>>267436436
Not every game has to be really shitty and slow paced and boring for it to be good.
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>>267429140
>people voting for 64
Why? Melee has everything 64 has and more.
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Melee > Smash 4 =Project M > 64 > Brawl
gameplay wise anyway


the only one I outright dislike is Brawl
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>>267436525
Except the fun.

Melee is shit.
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>>267429140

All other Smashes bar 4 have edgeguarding tactics.. which to me is grade A retarded for someone that wants to play a fighting game.

I love 3ds and Wii U smash.
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For people who actually have fun gitting gud:
Melee > Project M = Smash 4 > 64 > Brawl
For cashuls
Smash 4 > Project M > Brawl > Melee > 64
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>>267429140
>people voting for Project M
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>>267436597
explain
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>People actually voting for sm4sh on 3DS
>Gimped controls
>Can break the handheld
>Shit online most of the time

I don't understand, smash was meant to be played on a controller locally

>>267436597
>Melee can only be played tryhard and no fun
Melee is the best smash for the reason it doubles as a casual and competitive game and does both so well.
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In terms of gameplay and mechanics:
Melee > P:M > 64 > Smash 4 > Brawl

In terms of content:
Smash 4 3DS > Brawl = P:M > Melee > 64
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>>267436525
Melee ruined true combos and shield stun.
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Because Smash 4 Wii U isn't out yet I'll vote for Brawl because it has way more content and you can still have fun.
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>>267436525
impact of the hits

melee fully charged smash attacks = 64 instant smash attacks
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>only option for Smash 4 is the crappy 3DS version
What a tweest
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>people voting for 3DS
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>>267433853
Pretty good, except you need more >>>>> in front of Brawl to drive the point in
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>>267436891

>Brawl
>fun
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>>267436850
>Melee ruins combos
Because you can escape them?
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>>267436525
Smash 64 has better combos
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>>267436768
>implying it's not the most objectively balanced Smash game
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>>267435519
What is Apex 2013
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Melee easily
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>>267429140
For me, it's probably Brawl. It's not really competitive friendly and tripping is shit, but the game's chock full of content and I adored the roster.
All the others were good too, but Smash 3DS seems to be lacking a bit outside of matches. Like the art style though, especially love what they did with Jigglypuff.
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>23 Votes for Brawl

All 23 of you retards fucking say something.
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Project M > 64 > Melee > Smash 4 > Brawl

I like Brawl's roster in terms of size and quality, and I was always shitty at Melee as a kid and it just seems like it would be too hard to get in to it at this point, sort of for the same reason I wouldn't get in to CS 1.6 in the year 2014. Everyone is so fucking good at Melee and anyone I play against would have the advantage of extra years of experience on me so I just see no point.
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>>267436684
For tryhard:
Melee>PM>Sm4sh=64>>>Brawl
For casual play:
Sm4sh > Melee > Brawl = PM > 64
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>>267437082
Just don't get hit, faggot.
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>>267437251
Probably because they think Smash 3DS is shit (or dont have it) and they're too stupid to get PM which expands on Brawl both content and gameplay wise
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>>267436940
I'm not going to include the version that hasn't even come out yet.
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>>267437296
But casuals only care about content and not gameplay, therefore they always like the latest sequel the best
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Super Smash Brothers Melee>Super Smash Brothers for Nintendo 3Dual Screen/Develepors' System/Dimensional System>Super Smash Brothers Project: Melee>Super Smash Brothers>Super Smash Brothers Brawl

I believe Super Smash Brothers for Nintendo Wii U will be the best when it comes out. I hate abbreviating.
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>>267437472
Welp. Guess that explains why Smash 4 is barely winning the poll.
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>>267430868
Yeah but it was the original one to have it. You can play any game with any controller if you have an adapter.
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>People voting for project autisM
lel
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>>267437251
They won't. Take a look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfil17LlOoY
>2 dislikes
>They never comment or explain why

No matter how perfect something is there will always be some faggot to not like it yet unfortunately nothing legally forces them to explain themselves.
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>>267429140
64 for those based combos
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>>267438000
>Project M raped my family ;A;

Get over yourself
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>>267429140
>Smash 3DS is the best smash
>Missing 50% of content from Brawl
>Stages are shit
>Multiple limitations on the version due to hardware
>Best Smash
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>>267438000
Yet it has more votes than it's base game :^)
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>Voting when the definitive version of Smash 4 isn't even out yet
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>>267437251
Brawl had Subspace Emissary which I actually liked.
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>>267437251
They only played Brawl and 3DS.
They didn't like the 3DS roster.
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Why is project m an option? It's a mod designed for tourneyfags
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>>267438127
Has more characters and online that isn't unplayable shit though
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>>267438240
Why are you here?

Go away
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>>267438000
I use to talk shit about project m also, until Ivysaurs based solarbeam.

Other then that though I agree
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>>267438217
So did I, A lot.

That doesn't excuse the fact that it's the worst game. From a casual and competitive standpoint
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>>267438271
>online that isn't unplayable shit though
That is a blatant lie.

We just gonna ignore the tons of threads we've had in the past week talking about how shit online is for Smash 3DS?
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>>267438240
or its a mod designed for people who like brawl's roster but dont like its gameplay
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I've played 64 and Brawl only and I voted for Brawl. I guess im casual.
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>>267437251
No option for the Wii U version. Smash is meant to be played on a console.
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>>267438386
I don't give a shit because I don't play Smash for the multiplayer.
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>>267429140
http://youtu.be/GqkIYyxqVxg

All hail falcon
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>>267438356
>I agree
With what?
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Huh. To the people voting Smash 3DS, can you elaborate a little bit?
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>>267438327
>>267438174
>>267438093
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>>267438437
You haven't even played them all? And yet you still vote for which Smash is the best one? That's pretty cunt-ish
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>>267438471
>I don't play Smash for the multiplayer.
What the fuck? I've never met a person who's ever said this. Ever. I'm flabbergasted.
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>>267438271
>Has more characters
I guess that means it's the best smash huh? Neo-/v/ everyone.
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>>267438391
Have you seen how shit it is the internet most of them have?
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>>267438453
I can agree with that.
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>>267438587
>why are people allowed to have optional fun
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>>267429140
Why is Project M an option?
It's a mod not a game.
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>>267436525
Melee is definitely an improvement but 64 is just a personal favorite. Plus the ridiculous hitsun is fun even if it was too much
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>>267438489
>Falconfags that actually played F-Zero
The best.

>>267438587
10\10 response. Post smug anime face next time
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>>267438753
and?
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Why is this not an option?
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>>267438471
>I don't give a shit because I don't play Smash for the multiplayer.
>I don't play a party\fighting game for multiplayer
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>>267438619
I have no friends so I play Smash for the single player mode and playing as characters I like. Which Brawl also had the most of.
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>>267429538
Maybe substitute the word content for roster.

Roster: SSB4 > Brawl > Melee > 64
Content: Brawl > SSB4 > Melee > 64
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>>267438471
That makes no fucking sense!
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>>267438435
That's some shitty b8.

It was designed by tourneyfags to cater to other tourneyfags because their Melee mains got nerfed. That doesn't equal to better game play

I fucking love Melee, it's an amazing game, but it's far from perfect and has it's flaws
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>All this Project M hate
>For the objectively most balanced Smash game
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Here's a trigger free strawpoll without [TRIGGER WARNING] Project M

http://strawpoll.me/2761356
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http://strawpoll.me/2761356
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>>267436796
>can break the handheld
>gimped controls
both false
also the shit onlineis not the game's fault
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>>267438942
>balanced
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>>267438889
Jesus fucking Christ.
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>>267438859
I'm pro at that. 1v1 me right now faggot.
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>>267438950
>54
Ya dun goofed
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>>267438950
What the fuck is 54
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>>267438935
Nigger do you know anyone anywhere that prefers how Brawl plays to how Project: M plays?
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>>267438950
>http://strawpoll.me/2761356
>54
>Taking out the most Balanced Smash game
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I've gotten the most enjoyment from Project M. It got me into Brawl modding, adds back Roy and Mewtwo, and Turbo mode is incredibly fun.

I've only played a bit of Smash 3ds since I don't own it (played some Classic Modefor my ggirlfriend). It definitely feels better than Brawl. I haven't played Melee recent enough to give a comparison on them.
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>>267438489
>Not going fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8haGR2cG94w

>>267438953
There photo evidence you dumb nigger, and the controllers are gimped as shit because you're holding a rectangle with a shit analog stick.
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>>267438942
>Balanced
>Game
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>>267438889
>not at least playing online
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>>267438942
>balanced Smash game
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>>267439086
>>267439132
>>267439139
Never heard of Nintendo 54?

For shame
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>>267429140
SSB4 wins by default due to having a relatively lag-free, item-free, competitive 1v1 mode. Shit, I can't believe it took this long.
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>>267438942
>project m
> balanced
Pick one.
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>>267438942
>>267438942
>Play Project M after people talking about it
>It's pretty fun
>Play it with my friends and have fun
>Come to /v/ to talk about it
>Everyone acts like it's a war going on
>Almost never go to a Smash thread again

What the fuck, /v/
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sm4sh > project m > melee > brawl > 64
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>>267438942
>Balanced
>Game
Most balanced is 64, but Project M isn't even a fucking game.
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>>267438889
I feel bad for you...
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I don't know if you noticed the sudden spike in 64 votes but I just voted like 50 times for it. Kek, fuck you your poll OP.
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>>267439170
calling me a nigger doesnt prove your point. the game doesn't break systems, and this "rectangle with a shit analog stick" is just fine. while i do prefer the classic controller, i can do just fine with the 3DS
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>>267439137
Yeah considering most people outside of 4chinz don't play competitively
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>>267439224
>Halo 2 level multiplayer existed when melee came out

nintennndoooooooo
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>>267439460
Holy shit so it's impossible to play Project: M casually?
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>>267438889
>No friends to play Smash with

No human being should experience this. That's painful
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>>267439405
Well atleast you were sensible with your choice.
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>>267438942
>Game
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>>267439460
>4chan
>competitive

kek
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>>267439460
Are you literally retarded
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>>267439405
OP here I voted for 64 myself
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>>267439203
It is though, some are better then others but not to the point where they're unplayable, characters in the worst tier list are being played competitively

>>267439315
I like project M, the only reason I like melee more is because the physics of PM just feel a bit off for some reason. Dash dancing also sucks dick in it.
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>>267439460
most people in 4chinz dont play competitively. they just like to posture about how not casual they are while trying way too hard to prove it. i play vidya casually for 12 hours a day, and i give no fucks. just like what you like and sit the fuck down
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>>267438658
Didn't say that, fucks sake I even voted for Melee.
However the only content that ever mattered in Smash are the characters.

>>267438391
If you haven't experienced any lagless matches yet then that's completely on you
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>>267430775

I dunno man, I miss N64 Falcon's quicker smash attacks.

His smashes since Melee have been pretty laggy and useless, and in 4 all of his smashes have huge startup and recovery making them basically unusable against good players.

Although the knee almost makes up for his loss of quick smash attacks. But then they went and drastically slowed down the Falcon Punch from N64, god if it were as fast in Smash 4 as it was int eh N64 days Cap would be so good.
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>>267439302
>>267439203
>>267439187
>>267439019

All this Delusion.

>Brawl:
Meta Knight

>Melee:
Fox, Falco, Marth ||| Sheik, Puff, Falcon

>64
Pikachu, Fox, Kirby

>Project M:
Mario, Mewtwo, Sonic, Pit, Link, Lucas, Wario, Fox, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong
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>>267439197
It's not really any fun to play with people you don't even know, you might as well be playing against CPUs anyway.
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>>267439649
> voted for 54 yourself

FTFY
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>>267439460
It's the exact opposite, are you stupid?
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>>267434704
Look, I used MS paint and did a 5x better job than OP.
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>>267439527
No. But it was designed for tourneyfags. It's basically Melee 2.0 with Brawls roster and stages

Less people play Project M so my point stands
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>>267439748
>Replying to yourself

Oh my god, I'm dying
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>>267439405
How?
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>>267439887
>Less people play Project M than Brawl

Do you realize how retarded you sound right now?

Casuals have moved on to Smash 4
Tourneyfags have latched onto Melee and PM
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http://strawpoll.me/2669130/
We have so many casuals on /v/ and /vg/

I bet this is because they are so distracted by every other girl in Smash 4 stripping Lucina naked while getting naked themselves and rubbing themselves all over her, licking her all over and fingerbanging her

This is what casualization has caused, and now we won't get our better tourneyfag game featuring Marth, Fox, and Falco

What is with you people letting Melee die just because you have to fantasize young innocent girls like Lucina get exploited by hungry predatory women like Palutena, shame on you
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>>267439887
But who it was designed by has no bearing on how it can be played. Find me a group of people that prefer how Brawl plays to how Project: M plays. Then tell me why they would have that preference. Do they actually like losing control of their character for no reason at random moments? Do they actually like the lack of responsive controls? I think there's a huge difference between "casual" and "literal retard" because people can tell the difference.
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>>267440028
I just want to see something new, man
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>>267439921
I developed a program that simultaneously changes my proxy and rechooses a poll option (can be on any site with fill in choices) a while back, and I set it to run with OPs poll 50 times.
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>>267440028
>stripping Lucina naked while getting naked themselves and rubbing themselves all over her, licking her all over and fingerbanging her
>All this fanfic RP bullshit

You Pathetic...Pathetic human being.
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>>267439884
>Fucking with the aspect ratio
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>>267429140
64>3DS>Brawl>melee

Wii U will likely top all.

Smash is GOAT overall. Probably the best video game franchise. Even the worst is considered 10/10.
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>>267440028
Well, in the smash community people have been split over wanting melee and smash 4 too
after seeing the tourney today, I don't think smash 4 could ever become as hype as melee, even though I want it to be
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>>267440028
You sound pretty upset
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>>267439901
of stupidity? im not the same guy, moron
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>>267440149
>Having that white line at the bottom
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>>267440142
Who said I'm roleplaying or fanficcing? Quit projecting.........hmph,.......
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>>267440028
Why would you even make that poll, are you fucking retarded you stupid cunt.

You're asking /v/ if they'd like to see a 13yr old competitive game vs. a new game that /v/casuals latch on to. Did you expect some different kind of outcome you degenerate?
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>>267440065
Now that you mention it I've never heard anyone give actual reasons why they prefer Brawl over PM. They just make jokes about the name and then run away.
No, "it was made for tourneyfags" isn't a valid point because catering towards the competetive Melee fanbase slightly leaves no negative reprecussions to the casual fanbase besides no free infini-airdodges which is arguably shitty game design anyway
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>>267433853
>>267437010
Melee > Project M > 64 > 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brawl
there you go
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>>267440408
Heh, degenerate, your talking about yourself again obviously.......but that is pretty low self esteem for someone on the internet...............
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Smash 4 > Brawl > Melee > 64
Brawl slightly beats out Melee imo because of content

Leaving out Project M because it's a mod, a good one, but not a game.
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>>267440605
Do you think before you type...?
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>>267440380
Is anyone going to fix 64s hand?
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>>267440380
>melee falcon is reversed
i can't handle lore this deep
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>>267440608
>Whichever one has the most characters is the best
neo-/v/ everyone
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>>267440776
I don't know, looks pretty fugged.
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>>267440605
whoa..... those ellipses..... damn...........
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64 is a fun game but why the hell would it be the best game
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>>267440028
As a melee fan I want melee at evo but I do want to see if sm4sh could have a competitive scene.
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>>267440714
Yes, because unlike you I actually have a brain......
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>>267429140
>melee is the devil
>melee is shit
>Sm4sh will dethrone Melee
>y-you'll see
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>>267440790
Smash 4 is objectively the best
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>>267440028
>http://strawpoll.me/2669130/
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>>267440946
Smash 4 hasn't even released yet
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The only reason I liked Brawl the best, is because it introduced a lot of characters I liked. Wario, Snake, King Dedede, and Pokemon Trainer.
It also had trophies, which kept me playing for hours just to get. I found tripping annoying, but I'm not a tourneyfag so I didn't outright shit on the game for it.

No comment on Smash 4, I didn't play it yet.
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>>267440996
See
>>267440408
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Right now It's melee, but I bet 4 Wii U will be the best.
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>>267433853
This
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>>267440901
combos
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>>267441057
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>>267440917
It'll be at Evo because it's the NEW game. Just like Injustice was (I think?) and Brawl..
Don't really know how it'll turn out but personally I'd never want Smash 4 there. If Melee wasn't there before already Brawl and Smash 4 would never even be plausible. Kind of even feels like Nintendo would be leeching off the competetive fanbase.
They could both be there though, hasnt there been a bunch of EVOs where there were multiple SF games?

>>267440946
Big House 4 from a spectator's point of view was better than even Evo for me. So many great sets, and I still have a shitton more archived sets that I need to watch for both Melee and PM (mostly Melee though)
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Smash 4 Wii U > Project M > Melee > Brawl > Smash 4 3DS > 64
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>>267440946
Why are people watching FE:A streams?
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>>267441057
What the fuck?
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>>267441245
waifu simulator
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>>267441075
>You have to be a tourneyfag to care about good game design any more
Neo-/v/ everyone
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>>267440946
What's this supposed to represent?
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>>267440028
Watch THB4 and then watch the 3DS tournament tournament and please try to claim there's even a competition
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>>267441351
Minecraft is the new Melee
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>>267440996
>People said sm4sh is a fun party game like smash game should be
>Try their best to push sm4sh into tournament anyway

I never get this logic. Why can't they just play sm4sh at party and let tourneyfags have their melee/PM tourneys
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>>267440946
I know, right!
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>>267441223
SF2 was in Evo this year
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>>267441238

>Ranking Smash 4 versions as if they're any different
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>>267441347
>>267440790
L-l-look guys im an o-oldfag i swear hahaha...
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>>267441476
They are.
He is still a dumb faggot for putting a game that wasn't even released yet on the list though
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>>267441184
>>267441262
>pretending a demo is Sm4sh
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>>267441450
>Implying a Melee tournament didn't just finish with 6k views.
>Implying the Smash 4 streams aren't from a plethora of streamers all with less than 1k viewers
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>>267441475
as a side tournament
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>>267441405
Can you just explain yourself? Tournaments are long.
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>>267429140
>800 votes
>only 200 posters in the thread
Lotsa lurkers in here
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>>267441476
One is on a console, the other is handheld

That's pretty different anon, plus possible DLC
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>>267441608
Melee is intense and hype, Smash 4 is not.
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>>267441554
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>267441554
gr8 b8 m8
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>>267441476
That isn't the problem with that post. The issue is pretending a mod is a game. He may as well include shit like Brawl- or Super Smash Flash 2.
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>>267441608
just look at a melee game and a smash 4 game. Compare them
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>People voting Smash 3DS
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>>267441405
4 stock matches with bad stages, bad players and announcers that don't give a fuck is why the 3DS tournament blew, not really the game itself.
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Melee. Easily.

Brawl was the SFxT of the Smash series, and Smash 4 is the 2013 patch. It's trying to polish shit and does so successfully; but it's still shit. The stages are mostly ass (mainly because the gimmicks are overbearing as fuck, good stages are ones like Pirate Ship where the gimmicks aren't completely overshadowing the match), the items are even worse than before with most of them being easy kills even at 0 percent and the roster is okay, but I predict even more balance issues than Brawl.
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>>267429140
>including a fan mod in the poll
Why?
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>>267441861
that was adorable
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>>267441872
>People not voting for Smash 3DS
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People that don't think Smash 4 is the best are literally retarded.
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>>267441884
>bad players
Anon, you realize that there were a few there that were the pros from Brawl, right? That Rosalina shit is exactly what you can expect to see out of any competitive play.
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>People thinking smash 4 3DS has more content than melee
You guys are idiots.
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>Core Gameplay
Melee>SSB>>3DS>>Brawl

>Single-Player
Melee>Brawl>>SSB>3DS

>Multi-Player
Melee>SSB>Brawl>3DS

>Roster(for it's time)
Brawl>>SSB>4>Melee

>Sounds
SSB>>>Melee>Brawl=3DS

>Music
Brawl>>Melee>>SSB=3DS

>Items
Melee>SSB>>Brawl>3DS

>Stages
SSB>Melee>>Brawl>3DS

>Balance
4>>>SSB>>Brawl=Melee
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>>267441405
>Mfw mango just decides to win and takes two sets off of M2K in finals

I can tell that crushed him.
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>>267442184
IT WAS SO
FUCKING
HYPE
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>Vote for Brawl
>It's the very last one
Fuck you guys, Subspace Emissary for the first time in 6th grade, after all the delays, all the fucking reveals. It was fucking awesome playing the whole fucking thing with my friends.
Too bad there are no cutscenes and no story mode in Smash 4 it seems.
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>>267441476

Smash 4 was made separately and concurrently for the two different consoles, it wasn't ported.
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>>267441405
The 3DS tournament is better simply because that faggot Mang0's not in it. M2K would've won if he played Sheik again.
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>>267442184
>mfw watching the overall delicious displays of skill at that tournament
Unreal. Some of the best Smash I've ever seen.
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>>267442361

I still liked Brawl, played it an assload, but it feels really loose compared to the other games. I don't want to return to Melee though. Please no, I can't go back to Melee Roy after I've experienced him in PM.
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>Gameplay
Melee > 3DS > 64 > Brawl
>Balance
64 > 3DS > Melee > Brawl
>Content
Brawl > 3DS = Melee > 64
>Newcomers
Brawl > 3DS > Melee
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>>267442361
>Subspace Emissary for the first time in 6th grade
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>>267442446
>implying Mango isn't the people's champ
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>>267442350
You wanna talk about hype?
http://youtu.be/9BWxfTWjMcU?t=9m3s
One of the most hype games I have ever seen.
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>>267442361

>make a mode with heavy platforming
>have garbage platforming physics
>DONOTSTEAL characters everywhere
>make kirby characters the most important
>be long and repetitive
>great maze

sse was garbage and you are a retard for liking it
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>>267439765
>Implying Mario, Sonic, Link, Wario, Metaknight and Fox are relevant in Project M
Mewtwo, Pit and Diddy shit on everyone.
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>>267442645
I like falcon mango, fox mango I don't like. I really wanted M2K to win TBH4

>Mfw bizzaro flame will never make it to finals
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>>267442184
Any video?
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>>267443061
Just look it up nigger.
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>>267442932
>Implying they're not

You don't watch enough tournaments m8.

Wizzrobe's Sonic
Coney's Wario
ZeRo's Fox

All rek shit
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>>267442645
He's such a faggot that he actually named his son Mango.
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>>267443228
I get videos from 2009.
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>>267443061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfkz5taaz5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VRHsO0d2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRzSweNvzc
Winner's finals was my favorite of their three sets, those edgeuards were insane.
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>>267443276
Except the part where he didn't.
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>>267442667
I cannot get over how much Mango and M2K are enjoying themselves, or much D1 is losing his shit.
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>>267443320
Big House 4 m8
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>>267443571
>Joseph Mango Marquez
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>other people liked brawl the most
Neato, I will miss the floatiness.
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>>267443576
>That cliff battle
If mango managed to win that with that high percent it would have been perfect.
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>>267442804
Fuck you, it was cool that every level made you play as a different character, it's easily one of the best Co Op story mode in any fighting/party game, if that's even a thing
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>>267443276
Jesus Christ he has a son? He seems like the type of irresponsible guy to have a kid super early by accident.
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>been playing the shit out of Smash
>forget to put stylus back in it's compartment
>can't find that little plastic piece of shit
God damn it.
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>>267441075 all of them have trophies
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>>267429140
I don't remember the first smash being that ugly.
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>>267443972
He has no Job, just lives with his girlfriend's parents
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>>267442361
>in 6th grade
What the fuck? How old are you?
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Why do people seem to care about content in the games? almost all of it is stuff you play once or twice and then never touch again unless required to unlock something.

>>267443675
middle names don't matter bro.
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>>267444224
Li/v/ing the dream
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>>267440996
>kerfuffle 2020-6
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>>267444224

>no job
>makes money playing games for children
>has sponsors

He's living the dream
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>>267444254
I dunno about other people but when I talk about content I'm just talking about characters and stages, and even then how many times would someone play on Temple, Pork City, or Hanenbow compared to the number of times they play on Delfino Plaza, Eldin Bridge, Smashville, FD, and BF? More stages doesn't mean jack shit if half of them are unplayable
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>>267444252
Doing the math I believe he's a 96er
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>>267444224
Wow, even M2K is a bigger contributor to society and he has autism.
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>>267442361
>6th grade
>Brawl came out Marth 2008

Dude get out of /v/
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>>267444446
>equating the temple to Pork city and Hanenbrow
Yeah, nah. People play on that all the time.
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>>267444224
he has no style
he has no job
this fag has a balding spot
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>>267444446
I hope to god that there's eventually a patch for Smash 4 that allows you to turn off stage hazards. I mean the settings already exist in the game, in all-star mode hazards are turned off. They just need to make that an option to select from a menu.

Imagine Wily's Castle without the fucking Yellow Devil.
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>Voting ssb4

There's almost no possibility of combo in this boring shit game.
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>>267444586
Not over here they don't

>>267444625
There are autocombos, and they are disgusting (not in the good way)
Sheik autocombos made it back somehow, Mario has downthrow to uptilt uptilt uptilt upair, Kirby has dair to uptilt uptilt uptilt nair, etc
Fucking hate autocombos
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>3DS above Melee

I guess I just have to come to terms with the fact that these people were too young to have been around for Melee, and thus their only experience with the game is the sour taste it left in their mouth when somebody on the internet said it was better than Brawl or Smash 4.

Which it is. Melee > Project M > 64 > 4 > shit > Brawl
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>>267444603
>Has no style
Mang0 has great style. He's cool people.

Sure he's a bit of a pothead and gets drunk after ever major tourney but he's li/v/ing the dream.

Get his earnings from Twitch and Tourney winnings. He can literally play games all day, implying you aren't jealous
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>>267444776
The only thing I'm not jealous of is having a kid at 22.
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>>267444625

I didn't pick it, but I enjoy 4 partially because I really enjoy Ike's moveset.
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Why does everyone hate Brawl? Sometimes I swear that people hate Brawl because they hear everyone else hates it and it's become some kinda meme or something. I think Brawl had the best content, best music and I really like the Subspace thing.

But maybe it's because it's the best singleplayer game and I only played it alone.Since I'm a loser
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>>267444625
>implying smash ever had combos

Hyuk. It's 90% dodging and edge guarding/hogging
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>>267444761
I actually asked myself the same thing, for those who genuinely prefer Sm4sh or even Brawl over Melee, they must've not been in the generation when the buildup of Melee had occured
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>>267444908
Smash has had combos since day fucking one. 64 is the most combo heavy Smash game.
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>>267442645

That fucking run shine, holy shit. M2k was covering every viable option and Mango just fucking runs in instead, you could see in their expressions that Mango almost felt bad for having styled on him so hard afterward and M2k was just ashamed
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>>267444904
Subspace is garbage, and all the music in the world cannot make up for absolutely shit gameplay. It's not just a meme, it's a poorly constructed game and it feels like ass to play.
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>>267429140
>using a render for the Wii U image thus ruining a proper graphics progression picture

you fucking retard OP kill yourself
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>>267443560
>This Winner Semis
Holy shit
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>>267444908
64, Melee, and PM have combos
Brawl didn't
Smash 4 kinda does but it's mostly just weak hit into weak hit into aerial move andstuff like that
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there is no argument
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>>267444904

The gameplay is really bad, especially if you played 64/melee. It's so slow, campy, and limited that it's a bore to play for prolonged periods. Not to mention that majority of its content is poorly implemented outside of music. It's a really mediocre game when you really look at it, but it has a lot of stuff
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>>267444904
I'm a Tourneyfag and I thought SubSpace's cutscenes and story were great. The actual platforming was shit though.

If you want a legitimate reason on why Brawl is bad, read the pastebin full of the problems.
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
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>>267433787
pls nerf
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>>267445263
>that it's a bore to play for prolonged periods
Now that I think about it I've never gotten bored when playing Melee and PM for prolonged periods but with Smash 4 I never really feel like playing it more than 2 or so hour chunks
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>>267433787

I hate this. And I don't enjoy playing most of the other characters.
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>>267445098
Huh, maybe I just haven't seen it or I've ignored it, but I've never heard of anyone who hated Subspace. I was actually so suprised to hear that so many people disliked Subspace. As Surprised as when I found out people disliked Hoenn for the first time. For years I never heard anyone say anything negative about it, all the people at school liked it, all my friends did, all my chats, everything. Then it was like, out of nowhere, all these people just showed up saying they hated it.

Why is that? Was it just my ignorance completely weeding the negative comments out, or was it because Sakurai decided to not include something similar this time around, so people decided to hate it in support of his decision?

I'm still not sure which one it is.
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>>267439224
>Implying FD is the best stage for competitive play
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>>267445525
This is exactly the problem I have with Smash 4 as well.

I play a lot of Shulk and Falcon online, and the worst part of the game is when I'm fighting people who just roll from one end of the stage to another. It's not that I lose against them either, it's just that they drag the game for far longer than it needs to be and the worst part is that there's no real good way to punish people who do that like in Melee. You can land a smash if you're lucky, but that's not even likely to kill unless they're above 150+ percent.

Playing against zoners in other games is fun. Smash 4, it's just boring.
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>>267444625
Smash 4 is just made of autocombos it just feels lazy.
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>>267444759
>>267445875
What's an autocombo?
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>>267429140
64 still plays best for me, followed by Melee, probably 4U, then 3ds, then power gap, then Brawl. I love'em all though. What a great series. But I`ve been playing 64 constantly for 15 years because it just plays exquisitely. Mmm mm mmmmmmm. I can play every character and have fun and do well. I especially like Yoshi though. Dat 64 Egg Toss. DK is great too, best he`s been in the entire series.

Picked up Melee recently. Played it a lotf at a friend`s house back in the day and wanted to get my own so I got a gamecube with some games on Kajiji. I generally like it 1vq but not so much free for all. Reall like Dr. Mario and Yoshi. Just fun to play.

Can`t wait for Smash4U. Probs gonna rep the DK crew with donkey, Diddy, and Dixie if DLC rumours turn out true.
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>>267444761
>>267444978

I'm 23. Melee is fun, but I've moved on since then.
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>>267445573

>fellow Royfag

Nigger. Go download Project M right the fuck now, you can even play it on PC with Dolphin Emulator.

Roy is fucking AMAZING in Project M
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>>267446047

I really love Smash as well. Even if it isn't perfect, it always felt great to play if you ask me. I kinda miss 64 Falcon though. He was so damn fun to play but they got rid of some of the cool stuff he had, which sucks.
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>>267433853
My Nigga
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>>267446158
Why?
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>>267446158

Usually, when people say "I've moved on", they mean something like "I've reordered my priorities and found better things in life," not "I spend my time playing shittier games than the games I used to play"
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>>267435373
>Dashdancing
>Z-Cancelling
>Dat hitstun
Smash 4 with 64 physics would be goat
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>>267446213
Yeah 64 Falcon was the shit. Just something about the physics engine made the hype speed sprint and aerials especially satisfying, as well as that forward smash firekick and sprite falcon Punch. 64's combo-machine gameplay suited him well.
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>>267446506
This is true of every game and every sport of every kind across the history of mankind. You are not bitching about Melee, you are bitching about the nature of competition, practice and skill.
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>>267446209

I already have it. It's fun as hell, I go to locals occasionally and get to bop people before I lose to the really good players. Melee is a great game, but if PM dies I don't want to have to go back to getting chaingrabbed and only having 1 kill move.
>>
>>267446506 Less than 5%, hell probably 1% or less, of tournament players actually make enough winnings to live off of. You're extremely misinformed if you think otherwise. Even top players have normal jobs, otherwise they wouldn't even make tournaments to begin with.
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>>267446586

why the fuck did Sakurai get rid of dashdancing

and why the FUCK did he get rid of momentum capture in jumps

the removal of momentum-based jumps is and forever shall be, completely, totally, indefensibly horrible. there's literally no way to justify it.
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>>267446275
>>267446401

New games, new charcters, new blood, fresh tournaments. I still go back to the other Smash games occasionly, but it's like eating cold food in the fridge when there is a steaming wok on the table.
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>>267446213
>>267446631
He didn't even need the knee back then.
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>>267447054
But why is the food cold? What if the food in the wok is worse than the other food? Why are food analogies universally fucking terrible?
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>>267447128

>Fridge
>Why is the food cold?
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>>267446706

shit nigga, how do you even kill as Melee Roy? I've gotten so dependent on bair I can't remember what I used to do.

is it just fsmash and neutralB or what? I guess you can also upthrow at around fucking 200%
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>>267446882
Because those aspects of the game are used by skilled players to defeat less skilled players. This is not fun for less skilled players, so he took them out.

Other aspects that result in the defeat of less skill players: Neutrals, tilts, smashes and specials. Expect these things to be gone in Smash 5. Please understand.
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>>267447267
Why is it in the fridge? Again, why are you using a food analogy if they're just awful?
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>>267442159
>>Stages
>SSB
dude what
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>>267447054

>in the fridge is Chinese leftovers

>on the table is a steaming wok full of dogshit

that other anon was right, food analogies aren't very helpful.

I can kinda sorta see 'new characters', but the core gameplay is what matters first and foremost. As for new blood and fresh tournaments, you gotta realize that a majority of the Brawl scene when it was in its infancy was middle schoolers right? Would not at all be surprised to see the same effect with Smash 4
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>>267447279

Pretty much Fsmash and Flare Blade near the edge, although a tippered Dsmash can kill sometimes since that move works in a weird way. Third hit of DED works too, but I wouldn't rely on it. I don't mind Fsmash, since I land it a decent amount in PM, but everyone knows you're going to try to kill with that.
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>>267447408

Because I automatically assume when I'm on /v/ that I'm talking to 16 year olds, so I figured they'd be able to understand something simple as a food analogy.
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>>267447551
The Brawl scene also went away a few months after release because the majority doesn't stick around and the people who play the game seriously saw only shit mechanics.
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>>267447551

> you gotta realize that a majority of the Brawl scene when it was in its infancy was middle schoolers right? Would not at all be surprised to see the same effect with Smash 4

Two official tournaments say otherwise.
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>>267447412
He said: "Stages SSB >"
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Brawl is broken and Melee is outdated and hasn't aged well

Smash 4 is superior
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>>267447098
So mesmerizing watching him play
Wish I could play and git gud at 64 but the scene just doesnt seem active enough, its all about netplay now it seems
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>>267447668
They're not simple. All they do is obfuscate the issue behind retarded imagery. Discuss things in terms of themself, for fuck's sake. Be an adult.
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>>267447791

yeah, because they were both invitationals that just invited all the meleefags and grown-up brawlfags
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>>267447807
>hasn't aged well

God do you fags only exist to play the newest and bestest games in teh worldz? I am so fucking sick of seeing that bullshit. Its one of the most moronic things I ever see on /v/. Its worst then the worst of shitposting. If the game was playable back then, it will always fucking be playable you goddamned /v/irgin! It doesn't fucking matter if played in 300 years from now. If there is a console to play the game on then you will be able to beat if from start to finish.

These buzzwords have to die already. Just say that the game has been improved on greatly and that it doesn't play as well as the others. Since that makes far more sense then the nonsense that came out of your post. Nostalgia goggles is another one. Cut the stupid ass goggles part. And stop assuming nostalgia can only mean negativity. Nostalgia is in fact a huge reason why people like certain things.

Only video games seem allowed to have all these massively dumb buzzwords and negativity surrounding it. All because too many manchildren (yes I am going to use manchildren because it suits most of you dumbasses perfectly) love playing video games. They have the body of a man but think like a child.

>inb4 U MAD LELELEL KEK XD! as I guarantee someone would say that
>inb4 LOL JUST GIT GUD XDDDD
>inb4 a trying to argue my point as if it is even wrong
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>>267443247
>>267442932
>>267439765
Sonic is really good
Coney makes Wario look good
Fox is Melee Fox, Up-Smash bodies floaties
Mario is ok, fireballs rack damage quick though
Lucas kills everything with the right pressure and DACUS
Meta Knight needs tech-chases for his damage
Link needs space to do work
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>>267447897

So what, adults suddenly don't use analogys? You're just mad because your retarded mind didn't understand it.
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>>267447807
>Melee is outdated and hasn't aged well

totally. being able to fluidly control your character is so 14 years ago, I want to slowly and sluggishly float around a stage while eating tons of projectile spam
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>>267447807
>hasn't aged well

what do you mean by this?

>>267448048
>If there is a console to play the game on then you will be able to beat if from start to finish.

neat pasta m8
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>>267448182
No, adults actually discuss things. If I'm talking about public transportation infrastructure and some fucking retard starts to talk about cold food in the fridge I'm just leaving the conversation.

Tell me why you feel the need to move on from Melee.
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>>267442932
>Mario
>Not relevant in PM
Nigga u 4 reel?
Mewtwo and Diddy are bullshit though, they better get rid of the ridiculous shit in 3.5.
Yeah I can adapt fine but that doesn't mean something isn't bullshit
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>>267447970

I'll give you the first one, but this last one was a national tournament that came from 64 other local tournaments across the nation.
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As far as how they play

SSB4> SSB64> SSM> SSBB

I put 64 ahead of Melee because the entire cast in the first game felt viable. SSB is where you started to notice the dramatic contrast of speed in the characters, but there were some serious balancing issues, issues which benefitted the speedy characters and which totally fucked over painfully slow characters like Bowser and Ganondorf. In Brawl, everything felt slow and everything had too much cooldown, and combos were almost impossible.

To me, SSB4 feels between 64 and Melee in speed. My main's Pac-Man, who so far has, thankfully, been regarded as a great, competitive character.
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>>267448382
>yfw 3.5 update is only nerfing recoveries a little, but across the board
Enjoy your Project Mewtwo and Diddy
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>>267448203
You can still do that in Smash 4
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>>267448695
>You can still do that in Smash 4

oh, really?

>no wavedash
>no waveland
>no dashdance


hmm. actually no
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>>267444252
He'd probably be about 17 or 18 at the moment.
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>>267448326

I bet you're an Engineering or Mathmatics major with that narrow minded view of the world.

Allow me to dumb down my speech so even a retard like you can understand it: I played 64, had fun, Melee came out, started playing that more often, getting into the tournament scene, Brawl came out, started playing Brawl more often, got into the tournament scene for that, and now that 4 is at least partiality out, I will be moving on from Brawl and focus my efforts on 4.
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>>267443560
Thats nucking futs
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>>267448830
You forgot
>Momentum completely stops when you jump
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>>267448830
but you can dashdance, it's just harder
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>>267449084
It's the same pseudo dash-dancing from Brawl that doesnt actually have any use and the window seems even smaller now
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>>267447412
The original easily had the best stages
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>>267449012
I'm in law.

You didn't tell me why you wanted to move on from Melee, you just told me that you moved on from Melee. Why?
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>>267448830
Do you think people knew about wavedashing and shit when Melee came out? No. Adapt and get good nigger.
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>>267449084
>>267449182

There's also a janky foxtrot cancel technique apparently, but it looks just as useless and impractical as Brawl dashdance
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Why is P:M Wolf the best character they overhauled?
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>>267449303

God, you have horrible reading comprehension skills. No wonder you couldn't understand the analogy earlier.

I have said that the reason why is that there was fresh blood in the new game scene. I moved on because I wanted to focus on the new scene instead. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you anymore. Be careful with that reading skills or you'll end up being worse than a public defender. That is all, goodbye.
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I don't understand how so many of you are saying 4 3DS is the best. Maybe it will be justifiable when the Wii U version is out, but as it stands it's severely lacking in content and the controls get uncomfortable fast.
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>>267448830
>waaaa i can't anymore without my exploits and high end movement options abloo abloooo
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>>267449706

the thing is, even without wavedashing and wavelanding, Melee's movement is already vastly superior to that of Brawl and Smash 4 thanks to momentum in jumps, reasonable gravity and recoveries resulting in a thoughtful edge game, and dash dancing

Six (6) years of professional Brawl and the game still plays slower and is more boring than Melee kids playing tourneys in 2002
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>>267450008

Wavedashing was smash's rocket jumping and it's a shame that they took it out. I couldn't even do it consistently, but recognize that it was a great universal movement option for the series
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>>267450008

'it's an exploit' is NOT a valid reason for removing a mechanic if that mechanic actually makes the game better / more interesting. for instance, combos were not originally meant to be included in Street Fighter 2's mechanics, but upon discovery the devs decided they liked it and expanded on the system in future titles.

If you're going to make ab actual, non-bait argument against wavedashing, you're going to have to go do better than 'it's an exploit'. You need to actually explain why the movement options that it makes possible are detrimental to the game, rather than beneficial.
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>>267449182
Brawl dashdancing was useless because of tripping.
http://smashboards.com/threads/perfect-pivot-foxtrotting-dashdancing.371139/

You have options.
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>>267450216
You're looking at it from a "melee" perspective that's the problem. Most of that stuff was never intended to be in Melee anyways. I guess we'll see when the Wii U version comes out.
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Oh fuck oh shit I just found out DACUS is in Smash 4.

Sonic's buff combined with this has turned him into a god.
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>>267450841
Momentum based aerial movement and ledge mechanics were intentional, anon.
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>>267450717
>WD
>Better
Debatable.
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>>267450841

it's not a melee perspective. All of those things made the game better and more fluid. I can't even begin to understand why you would remove momentum from a game like this
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>>267450921
What determines who can DACUS?
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>>267451148
Everyone can do it.
But not everyone has a DACUS worth using.

It's based around character physics.

The more you can slide the better it is.
Try it with your favorite characters.
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>>267448085
>>267442932

Mario is extremely popular in the current meta because he's balanced with good recovery / kill potential/ and zoning game and doesn't really have a counter pick. He's still the best link in smash game history though because he can recover decently now.

Lucas is good because of his Dair combo shenanigans into offense up up smash that can 0% to death with the right condition

Sonic is good because of his super fast and unreadable combo. They all look like spinning balls.

Link is OP at mid-high level but not a popular pick at highest level because the best players can apply pressure well, and he can be put at a huge disadvantage with stage counter pick in tournaments.

Marth, sheik, fox, falco are all great. Solid melee players who mained them still play them and perform well with them. Capt falcon recovered his former glory with air momentum back as well

Roy, zelda, kirby are all tournament worthy as well. Snake is good and tricky to play as well as to play against

Many other characters, while might not be top tier, are still great. All newcomer for brawl has vastly superior playstyle in PM. Lucario has Up special cancel, Dedede has waddle dash, etc...

>>267450841
Melee's tournament state will upward as the game progress. Brawl's tournament status spiraled downward as the game progress. Brawl's tournament ended up having just metal knight spam and IC's infinity grab.

If Wii U sm4sh competitive gameplay can improve, i don't mind it overtake melee. However, i can't objectively say that current state of sm4sh look like it has potential to surpass melee/PM.
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>>267450717
Not him but most of the exploits and high end movement options are hard to execute and even harder to execute consistently for beginners making the game less accessible.

I'm not a Sakuraifag, but he regrets how Melee turned out and says that stuff wasn't meant to exist. It's his game so he can change it how he wants to, as dumb as it may be (Dark Pit). Smash was supposed to be a party fighting game. Not some complex fighter. If you're a game designer don't you want your game to come as close to your vision as possible?
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>>267451512
>Not him but most of the exploits and high end movement options are hard to execute and even harder to execute consistently for beginners making the game less accessible.
But Melee is accessible on every single skill level.

That is one reason why it is good.

I mean look at SF2.
It's really easy to hop into but it has something for players of every skill level.

I can understand why Sakurai isn't happy with Melee, but I personally think it did strike a good balance that would make everyone happy.
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>>267443978
>have big fingers
>3ds fights you at every tap
i know that feel bro
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So I got Sm4sh yesterday, where is the /v/ steam group? I want to play some matches.
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>>267450841

>most of that stuff

by which you mean literally wavedashing, since the rest was, in fact, intentional.

By the way Sakurai was fully aware of wavedashing and made the conscious decision to include it in Melee.

>>267451512

If Sakurai had given a shit about wavedashing being too complex he could have just bound 'wavedash right' to right on the dpad and 'wavedash left' to left on the dpad instead of making a third taunt for every character.

but he removed it completely because he has an incredibly shallow understanding of the game considering he fucking made it. he thought that by getting rid of it he would be lowering the skill cap and making it more fun for unskilled players to play with skilled players. he failed miserably in this attempt.

I'm aware that we'll never get another game like Melee again outside of community-made mods, but that doesn't change the fact that Melee is the best Smash game thanks to its mechanics. The point in question was fluidity of movement, which is undeniably smoother, faster and deeper in Melee than in any other Smash game.
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>>267452585
>sm4sh
>steam

I'm not sure you know how things work.
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