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>>266640632
it's not for the wii u
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>>266640632
Sakurai directed it.
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I don't browse /v/ or read gaming sites. Is this game good? if so, "gaming journalism" good or good good?
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>>266640632
You.
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>>266641014
Good good. Only people saying it's "bad" are Ridleyfags and PMfags.
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Really, the only major issue I have with the game is that people don't die fast enough. It's not just me being a Meleefag either, I never really got into Smash outside of a With-Friends level.

It's just silly to have to waste a minute knocking some high-percentage dude waaaay off the screen multiple times and have him slowly float back over. Kills the pace of the game, especially with 2-on-2.

Besides that, it's fucking great. Best Smash yet, IMO.
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>>266640912
The problem with that being?
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3ds
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>>266641160
even pmfags are saying it's good
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>>266640632
Too many characters, and such a little amount of unlock-able stages.
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>>266640632
so far its good, my only worry is that I have to limit myself when I play it, I feel like I might break the 3DS from the intensity of the battles sometimes.

so I kinda miss alot of smash attacks because I try not to move the circle pad too fast
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>>266640632

Nothing. The game is great.
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>>266641014
Depends on who you are.

If you're engrossed in the Smash community, chances are you will hate it explicitly and only because it's not Melee.
If you're not a fan of the old Smash games, this is just more of the same, so you should probably pass.
If you're anyone else, it's great.
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>>266641208
I agree with this as a fellow friendfag

no edgehogging is lame too
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>>266641208

Well at least I'm not the only one who thinks that way with the damage sponge shit in this game.
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The ergonomics and analog of the 3DS is horrible for something like Smash.
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Smash Run having no online and no player interaction on the collecting map

Lack of Ridley, Wolf, and Mewtwo

Ice Climbers being cut from the Wii U version because of the dumb same roster rule

Dark Pit being his own slot when they should have spent that time differentiating Lucina more or making a clone that isn't a palette swap
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The system it was made for.
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>>266641793
>Ice Climbers being cut from the Wii U version because of the dumb same roster rule

If this rule wasn't enforced, people would be bitching that you'd have to buy both versions of the game to play all the characters.
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>>266641348
>Too many characters

Never play this franchise again.
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It's way too hard to kill people.

The controls work, but at the same time it can be awkward on the 3DS.

Smash run is disappointing, as is the inability to use custom moves online.
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Nothing. Git gud.
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>>266640632
For Fun online mode lags like a sack of dicks

Also, if /v/ isn't fighting for Team Mario right now you're all huge faggots
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>>266640632
Project M devs didn't head the development.
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>>266642197
>actually wanting the no fun allowed fags anywhere near real Smash development
Off yourself.
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It's breaking everyone's Circle pad forcing everybody to buy the new 3ds.
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>>266640632
Dorf went wrong.
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>>266641160
I'm an itemfag and I hate this

>no frequency option
>only one pokemon/at at a time

This is so fucking gay
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>>266640632
netcode

I was about to purchase this shit too but everybody seems to be having problems with it
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Smash without a Gamecube controller just feels wrong.

The 3DS gamepad just feels like shit.

Also what >>266641208 said.
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No CPP support
Circle pad feels weird playing on
HP sponges
Feels like Brawl 2 to me
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>>266642383
But PM is more fun than for3DS
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>>266641214
He's a faggot
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>>266640632
Well let's see.

I mean minus the 3DS version fucking the Wii U one over we have:

>Low poly models that look terrible
>Smash run gets super repetitive super fast
>the fucking controls, what the fuck, my god damn thumb.

Mechanically, it's much too floaty and it still has awkward netcode.

My biggest issue though, is NO DAMN CONTENT mixed with it just feeling "like another Smash"

I can't describe it, it's like me playing Brawl again back in 2006, and it doesn't feel any different except Brawl had some exciting aspects to it, like the subspace story.

I dunno, I hope the Wii U version can redeem what the game could be, but my expectation are low. I am selling off my 3DS version likely soon before it loses too much value however.
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>>266641014
Feels like Brawl at first, but the characters they've added really break the mold for Smash Bros characters.

>Little Mac
>Duck Hunt
>Rosalina
>Shulk
>Villager

All the above are characters that aren't quite like any that have ever been in Smash.
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>>266642698
True, as much as I hate Shulk he's definitely different
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>>266642698
Don't forget Mega-Man.

That nigga doesn't even have a basic fucking jab.
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>>266641208
Holy shit THIS.
I thought it was just me.
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>>266642162

Could you explain Conquest mode for me? How do I participate? Just win matches as Mario or Megaman?
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>>266642693
Yea they really did nothing to break the mold

In fact there is less shit to do compared to it's predecessor

Did they even play test this garbage?
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>>266641214
Both have massive clones.
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so while I've loved every smash brothers and will certainly enjoy this one, am I the only one that actually liked the floatiness in brawl? sure it was less competitive but I never treated the game competitively. It was always a party game about trading blows and just in general not being serious.
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>>266641208

Anon hits the nail on the head, however the floatiness sometimes makes for some great Air smashes, which are so much more satisfying.
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>>266641208
With recoveries being as strong as they are, people need to be willing to take more chances to chase someone off the edge to secure the kill

Taking forever to knock someone past the blast zone sucks, but you can fix it a little bit by chasing them down and forcing them to adjust their recovery. I've seen it work wonders on characters like Bowser
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>>266640632
Does the AI abuse the counter attacks, or do I need to git gud?
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>>266643018
Just go online for fun or glory and kill people with Mario (not Mega Man) and you've contributed. You get gold pieces for your Mii if Team Mario wins.
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>>266640632
>sakurai says he will not add any clones
>add two fucking palette swap as it's own character
>clones everywhere
>cuts unique and exciting characters from the wii u version because of the 3dshit limitations
>has to dumb down some of the animations to 30fps because of 3dshit limitations
>cuts down options due to 3dshit limitations (can only turn on/off items, can't choose what items you want)
>development is split cause it is essentially two games, as a result, it will lack the quality of a full dev team
the fact that the game was developed to revolve around the 3dshit limitatoins is an insane red flag. the wii u version is essentially a fucking port. and all these retarded are eating the 3dshit shit up
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>>266643307
Oh neat

Why aren't we fighting for Team Megaman?
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>>266642013
But you can with friends
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>>266641937
And I also have to buy both versions to play all the stages and who knows whatever other exclusive content the Wii U version has. It's retarded to cut a functioning unique character on the Wii U just so the version with less content anyway can have the same roster.
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>>266640632
You forgot to pick up the game.
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>>266643439
Because he's losing anyway and I want gold stuff for my Mii characters. Mega Man is losing in every region of the world for some reason, so might as well stick with the winning team
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>>266643439
I was wondering this too. Online people are playing mario a lot more probably because
it's easier to get kills as mario (a character most people already know how to play) than to try to get good with megaman.
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>>266643349
Here's my thing: People say Ice Climbers got cut because of hardware limitations, but isn't Rosalina and Luma pretty much just that?
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>>266643701
Sakurai himself said it was because of hardware
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>>266643701
No. Nana was her own AI. Luma is more like a larger Pikmin you can control.
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>>266643701
nope
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>>266643769
That gives zero insight as to what I just said. Well, Sakurai said it, but R&L work pretty damn similarly so...what the hell?
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>>266643701
The belief is that Luma's braindead AI is less complicated than Nana, which was basically an extra level 3 AI

Luma rarely acts on its own, and when it does it just slightly positions itself in front of an opponent. I assume multiple Nanas were too much for the 3ds to handle
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>>266641208
>>266641591
>>266641597
>>266642574
>>266642996
>>266643230

hey retards, did you ever consider that instead of hitting someone off the stage and then standing there like a retarded neanderthal, you should JUMP AFTER THEM and slam them off the sceen?

y'know, do something exciting, instead of standing like a baby on the side of the screen as you watch villager fly back onto the stage over and over?
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>>266643590
>>266643653
Ooh, you only get the reward if you fight for the winning side? So if I fought for Megaman out of preference, then Megaman ends up losing (like he's probably going to given the percentages,) then I don't get any rewards?
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>>266640632
>What went wrong?

Error 018-0516
018-0502
018-0505
018-0512

FUCK YOU SAKURAAAAAAAAAI
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>>266643902
Oh, ok. I guess that makes sense since Nana/Popo could do their own recoveries.
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Shitty graphics
Bad controls

I do like what they did with classic mode and smash run
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>>266643904
Anon that assumption you have there is out of control! It's destroying everything in it's path!

>>266643942
Pretty sure yeah.
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>>266641214
Melee was dev'd by HAL and Sakurai did not have nearly as much control as he does now.
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>>266643942
It doesn't outright say it in the instructions (hit the Y button on the title screen and it'll tell you about it) but it's a pretty good surety that the losing side won't get anything.
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>>266643904

>implying I don't do this already
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>>266640632

Nothing.

/v/ is just a shithole full of people who want games to fail
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>>266643701
Luma is controlled completely by the player
The ice climber was AI controlled
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Being on 3DS. Still playing and loving it like crazy though.
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>>266643904
yeah if you watch the japanese tournaments thus far you notice the way to get kills at low percentages is to spike off the edge or just chase people out of bounds with projectiles or aerials. I also think a c-stick and gc controller will make things faster.
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>>266644068
>>266644113
I gotcha.

I can't wait to see the sides /v/ chooses as new conquests are posted.
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>>266643349
>sakurai says he will not add any clones

Where and when did he say this? Why does this mistaken belief continue to persist? This is worse than "Rare owns the Kremlings."
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>>266642535
WAIT WUT. are you fucking serious? only one pokemon can be out at a time?

LOLOLOLOL holy fuck sakurai. you've really out done yourself, you fucking incompetent, unimaginative retard
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>>266643349
>can only turn on/off items, can't choose what items you want
Except that's wrong. You can totally choose individual items to turn on/of.
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>>266643349
>can't choose what items you want

Yes you can.
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Even though the actual fighting is better, it just feels like it doesn't have nearly as much content as Brawl. It's probably due to hardware limitations, but I'm still sad we're missing so much stuff.
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No momentun in jumps is the only flaw I can discern.
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>>266644302
Thanks 3DS
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>no edge-hogging
WHY.

JUST WHY.
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Lucina doesn't leave her mask on. Fucking Sakurai is a god damn liar.
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Infinite air dodge

I'd be fine with 2 or 3 limit, though
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>>266644075
>Sakurai was responsible for the balance of Melee on his own
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>>266642535
>mfw I used to have Pokemon battles with my friends in melee all the time

Goddammit Nintendo, I know you wanted to make money but from a gameplay perspective releasing this on the 3DS was a horrible idea. Too many things had to get compromised.
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>>266644302
>>266642535
3DS can't handle it. Wii U probably can though.
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Netcode needs a huge overhaul, but jap developers don't understand the importance of a proper online.
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>party game
>handheld
>no good local multilayer unless you know a buttload of people who both own 3DSes and actually give a care about portable party games
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Donkey Kong, Metroid and Wario series are treated like shit
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Smash Run isn't as fun as it was hyped up to be, I have a lot of trouble landing KOs, and the AIs are too easy.

But it feels more fun to me than Brawl. I went back to it and could not get used to its physics.
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>Dark Pit
>less content than any Smash besides 64
>unique/semi-unique characters cut and replaced with 1:1 clones
>Dark Pit
>performance issues quite often (Online is broken and in games against CPU players I see slowdowns once every 5 matches or so. It's really brief but still)
>most of the music is from Brawl or direct from the game's source
>WAAAAAAAAY too much Kid Icarus shit
>Smash Run isn't very fun
>everyone is a damage sponge and it takes too long to kill opponents
>FUCKING DARK PIT

There was a lot of good though so it balances out. So far I'll rate it a 7/10. Hopefully the Wii U version is better.
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>>266644756
Wario is mario
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i really hope dlc with maps or mainly characters gets implemented. something like a SMASH PACK that you can buy would be awesome. they would make money and everyone would be happy with more characters. for the love of /v/ please release a dlc
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Lack of content.
Absolutely dogshit online. Sakurai, just redo what you did with Kid Icarus.
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>playing Ganondorf, final stock, losing
>opponent kncoks me off of stage, jumps after me to secure the KO
>do Ganon's aerial side-special, grab my opponent and take him down with me
>he dies and i die a split second later, meaning i win

Feels: good.
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>Dr Mario
versus
>Luigi
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It was better then brawl and melee so I loved it
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>>266644756
>wario series
lel
you mean mario series
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>>266644893
Wario Land series are extensive enough to be considered their own series.
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>>266644809
>>most of the music is from Brawl or direct from the game's source

Why is that a bad thing? Sometimes one you just like the original version more than a remix
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>>266644432
>>266644662
>>266644679
so you guys are serious about the one pokemon thing. this fucking ride never ends. is there anything else i should know that was done wrong this time around?

i have little hope for the wii u version of this. almost regret getting the wii u, which i bought only for this fucking game
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>>266644930

didn't confirmation of a dlc leak with the roster leak?

also my biggest complaint is lack of content...carbon copy clones and almost all of the characters are already locked. another complaint, the stages suck
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>>266645108
But it ain't isn't it, bitch?
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>>266643349
>(can only turn on/off items, can't choose what items you want)
You have to unlock that rule.
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I like using Dark Pit better than Pit.
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>>266644948
This, Sakurai did a fantastic job with KI:U.
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>>266644893
>6 wario lands
>7 wario wares
>5 other titles
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>>266644527
So is it his fault everyone plays Fox?
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>>266645179
None of the characters in Wario Land or Wario Ware games appear in Mario games.
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>>266645157
>i have little hope for the wii u version of this. almost regret getting the wii u, which i bought only for this fucking game

So just because the 3DS can't handle more then 1 Pokemon on screen at once, that means the Wii U can't?
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>>266644948
>Absolutely dogshit online.
Not for me. Get better Internet.
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>>266645254
I wish he could have kept KI in KI, instead of plastering it all over smash bros
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>>266644948
this has way more content than Kid icarus
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>>266645157
>mfw I'm getting a Wii-U in the hope that it will be a much superior version with better online.
>inb4 online fucking sucks and lags
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>>266645112
It's not necessarily a bad thing (you can't improve on the Xenoblade music really) but Melee was magical hearing all those classic chiptunes done by an orchestra.

Instead now we just have stuff we've heard before, and any of the new stuff is all MIDI...even the main theme.
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>>266645157
>almost regret getting the wii u, which i bought only for this fucking game

You're fucking stupid. Go but Donkey Kong or something
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>>266644809
The dark pit butthurt is really getting out of hand, the entire game doesn't suffer because it has a character you don't like. Also you are seriously ignoring all these creative newcomers and focusing on what? The 3 clones this game has? Out of the 50 characters we get you're focusing on some negligible ass clones? I do agree with the mechanics though, easy as fuck revory, little to no punishment, and no momentum-based movement (every platformer has this, any other game and it would be a failure).
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clone city

as soon as there isnt one clone in a smash game ill buy it again.
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>>266645423
There's more KI trophies than there should be.
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>>266645340
Dr. Mario 64 DID have a lot of Wario Land 3 monsters
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>>266645584

Every Smash game has had a clone, shitposter-kun.
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>Getting bugged to get 3DS Smash
>Tell them I'll probably pass due to how weird the circle pad feels and the multiplayer having lag even in local matches
>Get met with a swarm of "that's just your opinion" and "the demo isn't even like the main game you should buy it anyway and form a real opinion"
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>>266645584
Is Luigi not similar to Mario in Smash 64?

Don't most fighting game ever usually have at least one clone?
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>>266645637
There's more kid icarus everything than there should be. Have you look in the sound test? There's like 10 or so Uprising songs, compared to the 2 or 3 songs every other series gets
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>Multiplayer focused game with shit online
>Shit roster filled with clones
>1/3 of the stages are from other Smash games
>Roster is shared between two versions even though they don't cross play
>Smash Run isn't online
>Can't use D-pad for movement
>Using a second analog is exclusive to New 3DS
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>Gameplay is still very slow and floaty
>defensive play is still the best option
>super lacking in content
>smash run is lame.
>newcomers are VERY lackluster. Only 3 big hitters
>trophy descriptions are TERRIBLE
>Like, they are the worst in the series
>Seriously holy shit they suck ass
>abunch of new character models are shitty
>all new voices are worse the brawl.
>cut corners everywhere
>Yoshi the glitch master
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>nintendo disable online for most of their games, including mario 3Dworld which is very multiplayer oriented
>they explain it's because the experience is always better with people around you
>/v/ rages
>they allow online for sm4sh
>/v/ rages
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>>266645385
>So just because the 3DS can't handle more then 1 Pokemon on screen at once, that means the Wii U can't?
i didn't say that, but they will try to keep the games as similar as possible. there will be tons of damage control if the 3dshit players get a game that looks like absolute shit compared to the wiiu
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we were promised every character that we could ever want to play as.

They lied.
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>>266645449
The fact that he bothered mentioning getting a wired connection gives me no faith that it'll be much better. But I figure the wireless on the Wii U is faster than on the 3DS.
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>>266645829
>>all new voices are worse the brawl.

Pit's new voice in Smash 4 is no way worse then the lame ass Brawl voice.
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i have a problem guys
i bought a ps4 in july and i still have no games for it
destiny and tlou weren't that good so fuck them
why are there no games i demand to see the games
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The rampant shitposting.
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>>266645423
>well designed online
>Players with poor ping are replaced by AIs with pretty decent AI, and the game doesn't inform you if they're replaced so the matches continue without incident
>M-MUH KI:U OVERREPRESENTATION

>>266645637
>>266645806
This is true. Why the hell do we need every goddamn KI:U boss in the game? I'm surprised Dog isn't in there. However a lot of it is probably reused assets.
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>>266645849
do it right or don't do it at all

You can't defend the state of online right now
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I only just now bought a 3DS specifically because of Smash.

I'm assuming I have to pick up the Fire Emblem with that girl in the see-through outfit and Animal Crossing sometime. Oh and the Ruby/Sapphire remakes coming out
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>>266645810
>Shit roster filled with clones
Do these people even play the game?
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>>266645978

Only similarity they promised was on the roster, nothing more.

3DS version would always be inferior it's a portable version. A very well done portable version, but portable none the less.
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>>266645806
I have a feeling that's in order to save time and effort, since I think Sakurai was on a lot of pressure this tim.
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>>266646210
It's not even just the lag either. It's also the fact that you can't do anything other than 2 minute smash. Aside from 1v1 being 2 stock. I mean what the shit sakurai?
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>>266645829
>>trophy descriptions are TERRIBLE


"When most people think of Samus, they think of her wearing the Varia Suit. It not only grants her power far beyond her own physical strength but can also unleash a deadly array of beams from the arm cannon. And, in a feature quite unique to the metroid series, it lets her morph into a balls instead of having to crawl!"
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>>266646252
Smash threads are shitposter havens.
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>lowering the difficulty after you lose in classic

Why is this acceptable? Could you imagine if any other game did this?
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>>266645559
Alph is an alt for Olimar
Bowser Jr has 7 alts

Both of these situations make the announcer say different names, and changes the characters geometry and voices.

Dark Pit looks IDENTICAL to Pit and has all the same moves and animations, yet is his own character.

There is literally no reason for it. I can ALMOST forgive Dr. Mario since he has some different moves and Lucina since she looks quite different than Marth (inb4 hurr she's supposed to be dressed as him), but Dark Pit is just Pit with different coloured wings. He even has a regular Pit colour scheme!!!

All 3 of them should have just been alt costumes. But Dark Pit is the worst offender since not only are his moves 1:1 Pits, but visually he is as well.
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>>266646449

>He dies to CPUs in a severely casualized Classic Mode that gives you 2 lives per stage
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>>266646252
It does have like 5 clones tho

And not semi clones like Wolf, Luigi and Lucas


Big time clones like Pichu and Young Link
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>>266646064
The Kazooie coughing out an egg sound effect they used for him getting injured is the worst
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>>266646449
It's punishment for losing. Can't get the higher rewards if you lose.

>Could you imagine if any other game did this?

Kid Icarus Uprising.
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If they gave a shit about the competitive community they would have released an API allowing websites to post match statistics for their own brackets.
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>>266646449
It's the exact same difficulty system used in Kid Icarus.
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>>266646589
>Big time clones like Pichu and Young Link
what
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>>266640632
Everything.
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>30fps.
>No way to find friends online.
>Less trophies.
>Only two new items.
>Only a handful more characters than the last game.
>New third party characters are clones.
>The most popular characters like Wolf and Pichu still gone.
>Can't turn off smash ball.
>No custom friend battles.
>Stickers, the most popular addition Brawl had, are gone, replaced with custom moves you can't even use in non-smash modes.
>Can't save replays.
>Classic mode hasn't changed at all.
>Can't customize controls.

I'm amazed anyone can bare to play it.
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>>266646685
Toon Link, Dr Mario, Lucina and Dark Pit are all big time clones
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>>266646645
>implying anyone gives two shits about tourneyfags
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>>266646407
thats because the smash community (outside of literal mom and kid casuals) is the worst videogame community in existence
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>>266646243

>girl with the see through outfit

?
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How many actual clones are there?
>Doc
>Lucina
>Dark Pit
>Toon Link
Even if Ganon and Falco kept their similar specials, they behave and handle different enough to not be considered actual clones.
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>>266645829
Trophy descriptions don't bother me so much, but I wish it'd list the first appearance of the character and the year.
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>>266646645
how many times do they have to say that they don't give a shit?
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>>266646449
Kid Icarus did it. If you lose like a bitch, you get to play on bitch difficulty.
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Melee > smash 4 > 64 > Brawl
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>>266646841
Toon Link and Dr. Mario are semi clones, I haven't gotten around to playing Lucina or Dark Pit enough to tell what they are yet.
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>>266646761
I was about to respond angrily to your post, but then I caught on. Nice one.
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>>266640632
nothing
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>>266646761
>30fps
Anon...
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Kid Icarus.

The series has
>3 reps
>2 Assist trophies
>The most characters in Smash Run
>Two unique stages across 3DS and Wii U (meanwhile other series get shafted hard)
>The most trophies in game
>The most music in game (8 songs, while other series have as little as 2)
>One of the most overpowered characters in game
>The only character besides Miis that have truly different custom moves

It's disgusting honestly.
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>>266646916
No, they're still clones.
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>>266646897
I figured he meant Tharja. It also seems like he is buying a lot of games that have waifu material. Good man
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>>266646450
DP isn't even angry on his model.
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>>266646761
>The most popular characters like Wolf and Pichu still gone.
in some furry shithole maybe
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>>266646954
Nah, they share over 20 moves and does breaking the semi boundaries
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No dedicated servers
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>>266647032
As much as Ken and Akuma are clones of Ryu.
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It's Brawl 2.0 and will die within a month or two.
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Tiny screen. Too hard to play on a small handheld. My thumbs are fucked after about 10 hours of play already. Decently fun game, but the Nintendrones ruin it.
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>>266647023
It's Sakurai reusing his assets from KIU to save time/money/effort.

Doesn't excuse it, but at least I can understand it.
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>>266643701
>>266643817
Well Luma is a low poly character with less bones too. Popo was a fully detailed character with articulate human animations, much more bones. I'm betting it was more that than the AI.
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>>266647125
Falco and Ganondorf have the same moves as Fox and Falcon. They may play differently, but they're still the same moves.

Clones
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>>266646761
Pretty good anti-rage.

Solid 7/10.
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Is there any reason why the smash tournament isnt playing smash 4? i know its not out on wii u yet but i think the 3ds version is still competent with the older games
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>>266647023
>>One of the most overpowered characters in game
>People STILL think Palutena is OP because of her up smash
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>>266646243
You need Kid Icarus: Uprising too. It's the prequel to Smash 3DS. Fantastic game, a little on the pricey side now though.
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>>266647321
Maybe they would like to keep their circle pads in tact.
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>>266647321
The tournament was planned ages ago, before we knew the release date for smash 4.
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>>266646064
its not pit from uprising?
i'd figure they;d just use that.
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>>266647321
3DS lags on local play

Very pathetic, I know
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>>266640632
Getting Ice Climbers cut? Besides that the game is fun as dicks. There's some stuff missing, but I expect it to be in the Wii U version
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>>266645559
>defending the incredibly unimaginative and lazy addition of dark pit, a fucking color swap of regular pit.
the moveset is completely the same, faggit
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>>266644223
>“In the end, if a game isn’t fun, then there’s no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that’s not how I produce games.”

http://mynintendonews.com/2014/07/17/sakurai-explains-why-chrom-isnt-playable-in-smash-bros-says-he-lacks-any-unique-characteristics/

That pretty much says he won't put in clones.
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>Onett and Fourside themes are not in the game
Why? Wasn't taking Lucas away enough?!
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>>266647321
Game just came out, people aren't used to it yet. It's why in say, Dota people will play on the patch before the current one, if the current one was recently released.
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I'm really enjoying it but I don't see myself playing this ever again when the Wii U version is out.
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>>266646872
>anybody worse than tourney or DOTAfags
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>Smash Run

Uh...you don't get to bring friends
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>>266640632

too many clones

crappy newcomers

weak roster/stages
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>>266641160
you can't help but shitpost can you.
>Anti-ridleyfags everyone
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Circle pad a shit
Smash run could use custom settings
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Pac-Man is GOAT.
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>>266647652
>not having irl friends
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>>266647506
He says he isn't going to fill the roster with clones, not that he's not putting in any clones at all.
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>>266647048

>google Tharja

guess im adding FE:A to my backlog
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>>266641208
learn some of stage tactics turns a 5 minute match into a 1 minute one
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>>266645637
...and characters, and items, and Smash Run enemies, and assist trophies.
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>>266643904

Hey retard, have you ever considered the fact that not every character has a reliable spike or method to finish someone?

God fucking luck trying to finish someone off the stage as little mac
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>>266647798

They are NOT my friends.
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>>266647584

Same, I'm probably selling my copy before then
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>>266647716
Smash Run should have been like Power Stone 2 adventure mode.
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>>266647846
I'm surprised you haven't heard of her. She is regularly posted in most waifu threads here on /v/.Hell, some threads are dedicated just to her. Have fun anon you won't regret the purchase.
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>>266647920
I'd actually be fine with three Uprising characters if we had Hades instead of Dark Pit
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>>266642693
in other words its not melee, so why don't you go back to it you autistic fuck
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>>266647652
I would have liked a Versus Smash Run mode, where you fight with other players on the giant map.

And an Endless Smash Run, where you play until you die, with no recovery items.
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>>266647506
The key point is "churning out a ton of similar characters." What he meant was the roster wasn't going to filled with easy clones instead of putting the effort into most newcomers to make them fun and unique, which is not untrue.

This is the same article where he talks about Lucina anyway, so it's kind of silly to imply that he meant "no clones" when's he's introducing one right there.
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>>266648024
I'm selling my Wii U because of how bad this game ended up being. Fucking Sakurai, all he had to do is listen to the fans.
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>>266645829
I really like Smash Run. I've been having a lot of fun with that. Too many people play defensively online, it isn't even funny.
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>>266647327
>Has a massive reflect move that also moves and pushes characters. It also instantly appears so she can move around while its still on the stage unlike every other reflect
>also has a counter move
>side smashes also have huge range
>roll turns her invisible briefly
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>Smash
>Dark Pit and Pit are exactly the same

>Sonic Battle
>Sonic and Shadow are almost completely different
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>>266648126
>Fucking Sakurai, all he had to do is listen to the fans.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/02/21/gdc-2008-sakurai-denies-smash-on-ds

>Fans of the Super Smash Bros series have been asking for a handheld version ever since the Nintendo DS was announced.
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>>266648103
I feel like Lucina was executive meddling, because Robin isn't as Iconic.
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>>266645739
But it is like the demo.
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>>266648126
He did. I'm sorry if you didn't belong to any of the group of fans he listened to.
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http://youtu.be/7xUWnQu2Grs?t=34m20s

This quote right here is what led me to believe there was going to be an online function for Smash Run. "Way different than a simple online match". They could have just said a regular match.
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>>266623559
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>>266648067
I've only played Kid Icarus on the 3ds for about an hour before getting bored. But even I have heard of how fucking awesome Hades was, maybe I will give it another try just for him. Knowing that, even I ask why Hades didn't get in instead of Dark pit. I mean fuck you don't see Dark link getting in.
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>>266648068
>Everyone who dislikes it likes Melee
Brawl > Melee > 43DS > 64

No idea where 4 Wii U is going. I hope they actually fix the horrendous roster cuts and low quality models, not saying anything about the amount of Pokemon/assist trophies/item frequency/coin mode/a proper way to unlock customs.

4 3DS was disappointing because it can't live up to Melee and Brawl. I mean, it's cool that I can now play it with my bros instead of listening to the droning "professor" in my mandatory diversity classes, but shit, I could just play Lie to me.
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>>266647519
Onett is in the Wii U version so we'll see the two themes from that stage. I hope the Fourside theme comes back too. AND some more new ones.

>>266647584
I'll play it on ferry and plane rides and that's about it
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>>266648519
Shadow Link is in. As a color swap.
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>>266648545

>Brawl above Melee.

Oh fuck here they come.
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>>266647846

>hasn't heard of tharja

Are you new?
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>Paper Mario stage
>None of the locations are in the actual game
That's super lazy right there. Why have Roguetown theme if you are going to use it in a generic pirate ship?
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>>266648126
The vast majority seem to be having the dreaded "fun" with the game.
It's a huge improvement over Brawl too.
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>>266648229
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice that a lot of characters have "counter moves?" It used to be exclusive to marth didn't it? It is spammed in a lot of movesets now, what gives?

>>266648624
Case in point, Dark pit should have been a color swap.
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>>266648054

thanks. btw i don't /v/ a lot, im a /mu/tant
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>>266640836
this. 3ds is nice but i feel like im going to break if i try to do anything half decent with it
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>>266648545

This is completely fucking wrong

How the fuck do you think brawl is better than 3ds, how?

Unless you're one of the autists that bitches about "muh content" and actually thinks SSE is anyhting but garbage filling up the disk and taking away resources for the main game (which is maybe why it turned out so shit)
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>>266648805
>It used to be exclusive to marth didn't it?

Roy had it. Peach kind of had it with Toad.
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>>266648761
That was the ship they went on to go to the island
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>>266648991
Hmm, I don't remember that. It's been a while. What's the windmill supposed to be?
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>>266648545
>I hope they actually fix the horrendous roster cuts and low quality models
What are you talking about?
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>>266649087

Some shit from paper mario 3ds

The wii u version has a thousand year door stage
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>>266649087
That's from Sticker Star, I can't recall much from that game honestly.
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>>266648475
Yes, pretty much everyone thought Smash Run was going to be online. I was severely disappointed to see it wasn't. I'm even more disappointed that none of the co-op modes are online either.
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>>266648828
Still had Ice Climbers/Wolf/Lucas/Snake/Squirtle/Ivysaur

Oh yeah, not to mention it still had break the target, EVENT FUCKING MODE HOLY SHIT, Coin Mode, ITEM FREQUENCIES, way better stages, way more stages, STAGE CREATOR, modding capabilities...

Pretty much the only thing 4 3DS does better is balancing. The roster is arguable, considering 4 cut a lot of good characters and put in a lot of bad characters, on top of adding less new characters total.
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>>266646761
>Classic mode hasn't changed at all

I knew what you were going for but this was the best one.
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>Saki is still AT
Man, what I'd give for him to be playable and his Final Smash would be turning into that giant monstrosity.
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>>266643994

I have the same problem.

tfw you can't play online with your friends.
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>doctor mario
>not paper mario
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>>266648545
>4 3DS was disappointing because it can't live up to Melee and Brawl.
4 is better than Brawl in almost every conceivable way.
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>>266640632
Nothing really, it's pretty solid.

But what the fuck is the point of Marth? He's Lucina with a fancy tip.

Fucking hell, all those challenges that are basically "do X with all characters" and I gotta do them with the original and the clone that plays basically the same with trivial differences.
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I'm enjoying this iteration far more than Melee and Brawl, but I can nitpick a little:
>Dark Pit
>3DS feels pretty lacking compared to other Smash titles, holds back Wii U version a little because of its existance
>Dark Pit
>Smash Run was hyped to hell but failed to follow up on the hype, feels like a chore, has no Online mode for any enjoyment
>Dark Pit
>Trophies are nerfed, no longer tidbits of Nintendo trivia with game appearances and dates, Sakurai put in his little funny jokes on most trophies
>Dark Pit
>Events were removed
>Dark Pit
>Break the Targets is gone
>Dark Pit
>Grinding for equipment and trophies feels like a slogfest at times, less trophies, more equipment and Mii costumes
>Dark Pit
>Dark Pit
>Dark Pit
Many of the problems I have with the game so far are just arbitrary bullshit that can hopefully be fixed in the Wii U version, so really, there isn't much to complain about. Best game I've played so far in the series, can't wait for the Wii U version to drop.
If Dark Pit ever ends up on the Smash 5 roster, I'm going to have an aneurysm. Short Link 3 games in a row is bad enough.
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Kind of disappointed they didn't gave Mega Man a shota voice.
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>>266649156
They could, at the very least, add Ice Climbers back in and make it DLC for the 3DS version. There's no good reason why they shouldn't be in, other than sheer laziness and time constraints.

Models are awful. See: thread earlier comparing in-game model to snapshot model.
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>>266647831
then he is being completely disingenuous
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>>266649246

>Shit no one cares about

Good, for a second there I thought we were talking about actual gameplay, kinda doubted it since you put brawl over melee.

Also most of that shit will be on the wii u version so don't worry.
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>All the Koopalings are alts
>Alph is an alt
>Lucina and Dark Pit are basically alts that have slots
>no alt for pic related
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>>266648126
can i borrow your super smash brothers wii u disc pls?
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>>266649560
4 3DS is not 4 Wii U, retard. 3DS version is an abomination that is worse than Melee and Brawl. Hopefully, hopefully, Wii U manages to outdo both of them.

>Event mode
>Item frequency
>Things no one cares about
Fuck off, underage faggot.
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>>266649481
>They could, at the very least, add Ice Climbers back in and make it DLC for the 3DS version. There's no good reason why they shouldn't be in, other than sheer laziness and time constraints.

The 3DS can't handle eight Ice Climbers running at once. The only way they be DLC for the 3DS version if it was N3DS exclusive (and that's even assuming the N3DS is strong enough for that).
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>>266649481
>Models are awful. See: thread earlier comparing in-game model to snapshot model.
Well, the likelihood of me ever finding that is almost non-existent, so could you sum it up or post the pictures or something?
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>>266649449
>But what the fuck is the point of Marth? He's Lucina with a fancy tip.
This is gotta be bait. You have to have played Melee, Brawl, or even went to /v/ before release before even playing this.
But real talk, I would be fine if they ended up cutting Marth for Lucina, she pretty much does everything Marth does but better, and holy shit, those alternate colors make me want to cum. THAT'S how you do palette swaps, take notes Capcom.
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>>266649473
most of the characters reuse brawl sounds or are voiceless. It's no surprise.
They went cheap on the VA


Speaking of which, it's amazing how the cartoon gorilla sounds nothing like a cartoon or a gorilla
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>>266640632

> That menu design

Seriously, who designed this? Primary modes in sub-menus of sub-menus? Dissimilar modes lumped together in unfitting categories? Who thought this was a good idea? The touch screen could have made for a perfect menu, but they really fucked it up.

> Smash run? More like ass run.

They took what sounded like a legitimately awesome idea and brought it up short in every category. No online? You can't run into other players in the maze? No customization? 90% of the time the final battle is just a 1-minute smash? This is the kind of obvious shit that should have been in from the start, could still easily be patched in, but you just know they won't bother.
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>>266649719
>4 cpu sonic match
>that fucking annoying voice
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Too many damn anime characters
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>>266649719
Metal Sonic would actually be a pretty good slot occupier, given the way he moves and acts.
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>>266649839

How many Nintendo characters that aren't Pilots even talk much to begin with
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>>266641208
Seriously? I'm not a meleefag (though I played it extensively, as I have with brawl) nor a tourneyfag, but even with the overpowered recoveries, you only have to time a (not even charged) smash attack properly when the opponent is over 100% damage to kill him.

It feels way easier to finish someone in smash 3DS than in brawl, to me.
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>>266649839
He's got that souless menacing stare, not the cute world-saving robot I am familiar with.
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>>266649769
Well it can run xenoblade so I'm sure it'd be able to run them fine. Honestly I'd be okay with them being N3DS exclusive, if it really was the only way to use them.
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>>266649719
>mfw fighting Metal Sonic in classic mode
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>>266648805
Lots of characters have counter moves cause Sakurai played Playstation All-Stars too much and in that game nearly every character has a counter.

This also explains why there's Pit and Dark Pit
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>>266649859
>Seriously, who designed this?

http://kyoto-report.wikidot.com/michiko-sakurai
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>>266649776
Polygons and textures are shit during the actual fight. They smooth it out during the victory animations and screen shots. Zoom in on someone (it was done on Koopalings) and compare that to a snapshot of the same pose.
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>>266650167
>http://kyoto-report.wikidot.com/michiko-sakurai

Well that explains how it got through QA
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>>266649457

You can get equipment and trophies just by playing regular smash matches, you don't have to grind for them. Also there are more trophies than Brawl.
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Anyone know the exact differences between Dark Pit and Pit? All I see is that Dark Pit jumps higher.
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>>266650279

>People actually bought Wii Us
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>>266649246
>modding capabilities
are you retarded?
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>>266649780
>I would be fine if they ended up cutting Marth for Lucina, she pretty much does everything Marth does but better

That's my point. I wouldn't be as annoyed with Dark Pit and Lucina if they had as much divergence, even nuanced like Mario and Doc Hunt. And more egregiously, Marth is a fucking joke compared to Lucina.
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>>266650167
is that his wife or sister or something
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The bigger question is how is the wii u version even going to sell? What are they gonna offer besides new game modes?
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>>266640632
Dr. Wily got a trophy but Dr. Light and Roll didn't
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Only Lucina and Dark Pit are newcomer clones, right?
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>>266650279
>thinking the Wii-U will be any better
Don't worry you will have a bite of this shit sandwich too, I'll just leave it in the fridge for you.
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>>266650107
>yfw this is why the Nintendo All Stars game keeps getting 3rd Parties
When can we expect playable Adam Jensen?
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>>266640632
why didn't they make ice climbers 1v1 only?
im pretty sure no one would mind
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>>266650390
DP's arrows are purple
DP does about 1% more damage on average
DP is maybe 4% heavier
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>>266650390
Better Damage Less Knockback, like Doc.
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>>266650467
Wife
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>>266650452
>People actually buy
PC master race enjoy
man I sure love free games
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>>266645829
>trophy descriptions are TERRIBLE
Well, you're just wrong.
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>>266640632
Dark Pit, Some aspects of smash run, little content, lag, comparatively weak stage selection.
Still great despite all that.
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>Lucina, Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Toon Link and Falco are the only clones
>Arguably Luigi and Ganondorf, too.
>5(7) characters out of 48, not counting the Miis
That's really not too bad. Dark Pit doesn't make sense, but it could certainly be worse.
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>>266650352
By "less trophies", I meant that grinding for trophies was less of a task than equipment and Mii costumes thanks to Trophy Rush and the store.
The nerfed info aside, they did a pretty damn good job on the trophies in this game.
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>>266649934

Eh, if they ever had a second Sonic slot it'd probably be Eggman. Which would really just up Metal Sonic's chances as an alt, fortunately.
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>>266650501
Megaman makes sense, since most of the classic series began in the NES.
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>>266650646
No one can make an argument that Luigi is a clone, that's just retarded.
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>>266650610
Oh nice bro now I don't have to buy a Wii-U! Just go ahead and tell me the name of the Wii-U emulator! Thanks again man you are the best!~
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>>266648420
Sakurai could have not been lazy and made Lucina have a unique moveset. She could have wielded multiple weapons, showcasing FE's class system.

If transformations were still in she could have swapped them with down-b, but without just different smashes and normals could have used different weapons
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>>266641208
Play little mac.
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>>266646275
Except it's not well done, there have been plenty of complaints about poor decisions made.
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>>266650646
If you consider Luigi a clone by now, you are fucking dense.
>All of the smash attacks are different
>All of the special attacks are different
>All of his proprieties are different.
Luigi has come a long way.
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>>266647956
>God fucking luck trying to finish someone off the stage as little mac
Mac makes up for it by hitting like a fucking truck. Regularly killing at 80% like it's nothing. And he racks up damage faster than anyone else.
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>>266650515
that would work but having a character only available in a certain mode sounds stupid on the surface
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>>266640632
nothin'. game is god tier and theres nothing you can do about it.
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>>266650756
What I am saying is that she was a last minute addition, because that's how it feels.
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>>266650754
Why emulate wii u games when all wii u games suck?
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>>266646450
>Dark Pit looks IDENTICAL to Pit and has all the same moves and animations, yet is his own character.
at least know what you're talking about before you shitpost
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>>266650691

>Eggman gets added to the game
>Fat clone of Bowser Jr
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>>266650704
It makes sense alright, but personally, I feel seeing Sonic and Megaman beating up a bunch of Nintendo 1st Parties kind of undermines what Smash is going for when both saw success on other consoles.
Dream Scenario: Capcom goes bankrupt and Nintendo buys them, Megaman becomes a Smash mainstay, Arthur, Viewtiful Joe, Nemesis, and a shitload of other Capcom characters see the light of day in vidya again. No Ryu allowed.
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>>266650884
Not the fireball and up special you retard. He's still a clone.
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Why is Doc so fucking pissed off?
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>>266640632
There's literally no playable multiplayer options. That's gotta be a first for a fighting game.
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>>266646384
Wait, seriously? You can't even customize the online matches? That's fucking embarassing, we had this back in the 90's.
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>>266651079
>Sir Arthur in Smash
Man, that'd be fucking awesome.
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>>266650981
I know there's a theory going around that a character was quickly shoehorned in once they discovered that Ice Climbers couldn't work.
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>>266651057
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>>266651089
I'd be pretty pissed off if I was in melee and got kicked in brawl. He can't let things go.
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so /v/ what do you think of conquests
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I dunno about you, but I'm having a blast.
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>>266645198
not him but i don't remember unlocking that, it was already in.
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>>266651067
I do know what I'm talking about.

>same idle animation
>same attacks
>same attack animations
>only visual difference is sword edge is silver instead of gold and his wings are black instead of white
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>>266651195
You can, just only with friends
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>>266646243
Don't get Awakening, play the GBA and GC Fire Emblems, they are far better.
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>implying this game won't work with the N3DS
>implying the N3DS won't enhance everything for Smash
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>>266649215
Because it was a shit game.
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>>266651127
>>266651195
Yep. You can only customize game options if you play with people in your 3DS friends list only. No pugs allowed. So basically you will never get to fight random people online with customized settings unless you "meet" them online first and swap friend codes.
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>>266646243
If you have a well-enough-paying job and a lot of extra fun coupons lying around, I recommend OoT 3D, really great remake of a classic-ass game that includes Master Quest as well, so it beats the hell out of searching eBay for a cheap Master Quest copy.
Wario Land III is also the sickest shit.
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>>266646449
in Kid icarus uprising happens, and it's worse since you lose AN ENTIRE intensity level, here you just lost the half
the only solution here is git gud
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>>266650579
I thought Doc was slower and heavier, but did more damage and knockback?
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>>266651446
But muh waifu system!
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>>266651771
That's not even what I meant, I'm saying the net code is completely atrocious. Other fighting games have managed to make themselves playable for years, and somehow they made this worse than brawl.
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>>266651087
Not even close to a clone, his up special has 0 knockback if you don't sweet spot it, and his fireballs behave differently.
Plus it fucking makes sense that Luigi and Mario would share fireballs and a Jump Punch.
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>>266651880

I have enough GameStop PowerUp Rewards points for $20 off of any in-stock pre-owned game, but I've never used points before so I don't know how to use that
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>>266647023
>barely any music

This is pissing me off. Brawl had a metric shitton of music for each series, and now it's barely anything.

Collecting music was fun af in Brawl.
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>>266651925
I know you are joking, but it's sad that some people bought the game for that. Just look at the sad state of Fire Emblem General now.
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>>266651976
They just can't get it right man. I don't know why it is so difficult?
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>>266646449
You must be having trouble with 9.0 Master Core, I can feel for you on that since coin farming got really frustrating after a while and I threw my shoulder out trying to dodge around the big faggot sword form.
Since I main Ganondorf, abusing the fuck out of Side B really helped take out everything before and the final form of Master Core, it's a damn good thing his Down A combos after Flame Choke now.
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>>266652072
You do know that Brawl was double sided because of all the fucking music, right? You can expect it in the WiiU version.
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>>266652072
Have to wait for the console version for the ton of songs.
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>>266652218

Are you fucking stupid or something?

Games have a 4GB limit because of the carts and Smash is only like 2.1. They had 2 fucking Gigs of space for music.
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>>266652047
Click on the coupons and buy that shit with your points, helped me Jew down a copy of Uprising to 15 fun bucks.
Good luck looking for a copy of OoT and uprising on between those thousands of unsold Project X Zone and Yoshi's New Island copies.
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>>266640632
how is sheik? Is she melee tier or brawl tier, or just in the middle?
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>>266652107
>Just look at the sad state of Fire Emblem General now.
You right. Not enough Virion.
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>>266652417
She still seems broken to me. I fought a shiek online and she was fast as fuck and I can't can't a hit in at all. You know, just we remember her.
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>Can see Zelda Upskirt
>Peach is blacked out
>Rosalina's is the fucking universe
I don't get it.
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>>266652558
they nerfed her fucking hard in brawl though glad she's back in some way.
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>>266645157
holy shit if you cant win without having more than 2 pokemon out at a given time or if its even a big deal you should stop playing

alternatively you could get good
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>>266652754
Don't forget Palutena you can see too
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>>266640632

other than the fact that i cant use the d-pad for movement the games awesome, sorry about your autism op.
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>>266652754
Peach is too pure.
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>>266642535
At least we can multiple Pokemon on the Wii U
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The 3DS version just feels like a glorified demo for the Wii U version.
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>>266654656
Whoops, an image for ants.
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>>266654656
>196x110
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>>266652361
SHUT YOU GODDAMN STUPID MOUTH
You do not know shit about size? If Sakurai actually filled the rest of the game with songs to fill the 4gb, you can expect it to have MUCH LONGER LOADING TIMES and optimization won't work that well.

EXAMPLE: DKC TF has long ass loading times while 3D world has short loading times
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>>266640632
Time for a test

Autism is not caused by vaccines
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>>266655117
Reminds me of the CC2 having a lot of content for Ultimte Ninja 3 for psp, but cut a lot to have better loading times and framerate
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>>266648545
>low quality models
it's a fucking 3ds what do you expect. Theyre still better than Melee's models at least. Except the Koopaling knee. God damn that's bad.
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>>266655374
Yes it is you faggot, there was that one study done years ago that's since been debunked that proves it!
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>>266640632
>Retarded Classic Mode, that handholds the player player by lowering it's difficult if you lose, and it's short as fuck because the lack of modes like, Break the Targets, Race to the Finish, etc.

>Too much Kid Icarus bias, Reset Bomb stage, gets more than 2 songs.

>In exchange franchises like DK, Metroid and Wario are treated like shit, with just reused content (not even good content)
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>>266644737
This. I've always thought this about Smash for 3DS. The game is always at its most fun when playing with friends. Nine times out of ten your buddies are not going to have 3DS's with Smash.
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>>266656054

>Break The Targets
Bonus rooms in Smash Run and Target Smash in Stadium
>Race to the Finish
Final Match in Smash Run
>Kid Icarus bias
Sakurai
>DK Metroid and Wario are treated like shit
Jungle Japes and Brinstar are shit, but WarioWare is the most fun stage you get the fuck out of my face
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>>266647404
it is.
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>>266651976
>somehow they made this worse than brawl.
Let's not get crazy here.
At least when it works it works well.

Brawl had 2 second input lag as well as slowdowns and disconnects.
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>>266656054
I still think that Wario shouldnt get more than Wario as a rep.

Some Wario Ware items could be nice though.
I mean, you got some assist trophies already.
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>>266657102

>Doesn't want playable Ashley
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>>266644075
The opposite actually.
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Rolls being too good, it's retarded how small the window is between rolls
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>>266657346
Yep.
Even if they had to bring a Wario Ware rep I wouldnt want her in.
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>>266640632
Nothing, the impatient ADHD retards got the inferior version, so Nintendo already is getting profits from it, now we just have to wait some weeks for the definitive version.
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>>266641214
Melee was a miracle game. It was rushed and came out near perfect.

They took their sweet ass time with smash 4 and yet its the opposite it feels like a rushed product and still has clones despite having a much longer dev time. But to be fair I think people were more accepting of clones back with melee since they were a new thing at the time.
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>>266657102
I can assure you right now that any second wario rep would be better than half the newcomers we did get.
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>>266658401
I disagree.
I would agree if Wario wasnt in, but he is.
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>>266651253
why have i seen that face before
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>>266658401
Heck, most of them would have interesting movesets too. A dance centric Jimmy T, an Ice Climbers like duo of 9 and 18-volt (fuck you 3DS limitations), Mike with sound based attacks. You could do all kinds of shit with WarioWare reps.
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>>266646761
Who are Megaman and Pac-Man clones of?
Who the fuck thought stickers were popular?
Who the fuck played through SSE more than once, besides to unlock fighters?
CLASSIC Mode, jack ass.
Item Switch.
"Can't customize controls" wut
I fell hard for this bait.
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>LOOK MA I POSTED IT FOR THE 30TH TIME THIS WEEK, THIS WILL SURELY STOP THEM FROM LIKING THIS GAME
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>>266659108
that's what I mean. I wasn't exaggerating when I said any of them would be better because they are all interesting characters
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