Why are the differences between JRPGs and every other RPG so

>Why are the differences so different

Why do you make this thread every day?

Because our culture is actually more advanced in terms of social privileges/benefits.

>>265773930
I know this is bait but what's so sexual about the right picture?

>Western
>Man-faced dykes meant to pander to lesbians and feminists

>Eastern
>Teenage girls in nonsensical and fetishized clothing meant to pander to otakus

Why can't we have a happy medium, like a cute young woman in practical clothing?

>Why are the differences so different

>>265773941
Until you like it

>>265774290
roleplaying games are about story and you can't have a good story with a plain jane mang

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>>265773780

>>265774116
She's attractive. That's oppressive to gremlin-kin.

>>265774290
Japan has plenty of shit to pander to girls too.

When it comes to pandering, Japan is so much more advanced than we are. They have shit that panders to everybody and no one bitches at people who like different things.

>>265773930
>>265773780
I like both.

Suck my cock.

>>265774581
This man understands.
>>265774116
Belly out, side boobs out, clearly counterproductive while fighting with that big gun of hers, but it needs to provide the eye candy!

>>265774743

I love The Witcher but

>Muh realism

Fuck off

Because the japanese function purely on what would make the most money.

Cute girls that men like to jerk off to = better sales. straight up.

>>265774875
I don't think you are paying attention

>>265773930
>Square Einx
>Final Fantasy
>women
The characters are self inserts for fatty weaboos power fantasy.
Gender doesn't matter since they're all fags.

Op is a faggot

>>265775068
Japan has a huge fujoshi/female otaku market too.
The difference is that there they don't bitch about what the guys are into, and girls often consume and enjoy the shit aimed at guys too.
Because there's no muh privilege cult there brainwashing people.

>>265775173
pretty sure squeenix panders to fujoshi, not otaku

>>265774290
I agree with this. Stuff that goes more towards the middle of this are my favourite. The Witcher made a decent effort but I'm not too big a fan of their art direction.

>>265774581
She doesn't have to be plain as fuck, just something that isnt attempting to pander.

I thought this was a God Eater thread, fuck you OP

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>>265773780

All I know is JRPGs produce faaaaaar better porn.

>>265775464
Going to need full picture

>>265774290
because realism sucks give me true fantasy. Does not matter who it comes from or why if it's good enough to stand on its own merits.

>>265773780
>using a character with aids for the western example

>>265774743
>>265774973

Mentioning realism is an automatically wrong opinion.

>>265775808
>practical
Eh...

>>265774842

sadly this.

they literally have dedicated weekly magazines for people whose cat died and shit, it's crazy

>>265775553

artist is rebell or re-bell

>>265775653
Who said realism? If I wanted realism I would argue against females in any military/fighting role. I just want females that won't shatter my suspension of disbelief.

>>265774842

>ponders to everybody

Except anyone who wants a decent protagonist (FFXII)

>>265775808
>he should be a bald operator with a drinking problem because his kid died.
>but he sobers up to lead his team into some situation the fate of the world hinges on
>also the bad dude killed his kid

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>>265775808
>sukiyuki ching chang spirit beam

Every time.

>>265775808

Whoever made that picture was so mad it transcends the digital

>>265775929
And then here comes the fag who's entire RPG experience comes from dragon age and final fantasy.

Play more games.

>>265775808
>realistic

There's that word again

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>play JPRG
>that obligatory loli character that's actually 2000 years old

>>265775808
guess which one is more interesting?

>>265776273
christington j. fuck

>>265776273
that is one long finger

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>>265776259
got a problem with it?

>>265776273
Is it just me or do you have a fucking massive finger?

>>265776379
ebic b8

Does anybody actually take these threads seriously? You can't generalize either J or W RPGs, and their focuses in design are so different they might as well not even be counted as being in even remotely similar genres.

>>265775929
FF12 is pandering to the crowd that likes shitty protagonists.
If you want one that panders to people who like chill protagonists, check out FF8.

>>265776379
As bait as this is, Ni No Kuni and Pokemon #45768 are stuck pretty fucking far in the past.

>>265776379
>movies are the future of video games
that sounds like someone from gaming journalism would say.

>>265776474
>>265776517
>>265776523
It's not even bait, it's a Nintendrone circlejerk image used to falseflag.

>>265776379
Top part is shit nintendyearold games.

But the problem is, that the bottom part is complete garbage as well.

>>265776273
are you an alien?

>>265775926
but why? isn't a fantasy world allowed to have it's own inherent logic? Pragmatism is too much of real concept. I feel like there's a definitely a market for it but it's practically a different subgenre entirely. It's like comparing cyberpunk to postcyberpunk.

>>265776691
Why are Pikmin and Wonderful 101 shit?

>>265776273
Name one JRPG where that actu- holy shit dude, your finger. What the fuck.

>>265776273
>that obligatory loli character that's actually 2000 years old

*unzips dick*

>>265776691
>TW101
>shit
>Ni no Kuni
>Nintendo

>>265776801
Because nintendo

>>265776759
But even in a fantasy world with its own logic, people would still do what is most useful, as governed by the laws of said world.

>>265776489
/v/ loves to troll, be it weak or serious.

>>265776946
W101 is only published by Nintendo, and Kamiya even turned down the offer to put Nintendo characters in it.

>>265776273
this image always makes me laugh

>>265776489
>Does anybody actually take these threads seriously?

No, not really. Too bad the same can't be said for those moronic console wars thread.

>>265773780
>JRPGs are bizarre
They're not. The market is so oversaturated with them that they're incredibly ordinary.

>>265777087
No, because it's on a ninty platform.

>>265776273
at least three games I played the loli character had an older form once shit went down

too be fair it was the same character

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>>265776273
AYY

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>>265773780
>japanese character design

nothing wrong with it.

>>265777039
but what's pragmatic in one world might not matter in another. How does one even increase HP or MP those aren't things that manifest in a physical character change. Is the existence of those things even cannon? Does it matter? So as you can see somethings just really don't make sense no matter what world they're in. There's always going to be a perception gap between the player and the character.

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>>265777615
dude, it;s stalking about Dragon's for fuck sake. realism went out the window

Left
>dyke- manface, short hair, flat
Right
>beautiful
>feminine
>can also fuck you up, probably more because her weapon is bigger than she is

The right also isn't any less realistic than the left, seeing as female soldiers are as unrealistic as it gets.

>>265777615
>He hasn't played monster hunter

Because Western RPGs tend to focus a lot more on realism and practicality and Japanese RPGs tend to focus more on fantasy, Japanese pop culture (animu/cute/stuff), and stuff.

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>>265777612
are you sure about that

>>265775929
You best not be dissing muh leading man.

>>265778046
Please not remind me about that abomination.


and please not a judgement's design

>>265777498
>You don't make any choices
Not only do you DO make choices, they more often than not actually fucking matter.

Whatever. Bait image. La dee dah.

>>265777615
>species of mysthical that doesn't exist
>realistic
>evolutionary reasoning about breathing fire

>>265773780
I like JRPG's better because when I play a game I want to be the little girl, I don't want to be some muscle bound INDEPENDENT WOMAN that carries a sword.

>>265777746
>>265778618

>falling for the most obvious bait image ever created

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>>265778434

>>265775653
so in your opinion, everything should either be totally random and nonsensical, or cold hard science and logic, with nothing in between? I think the best stories have both.

I like dragons, but I still want goddamn armor and other real stuff to make sense.

>>265777615
>no evolutionary reason for an extra pair of limbs sticking out of your back!

Creator seems to disregard the existence of flying insects.

>>265777615
There is no ''realistic'' design for dragons since THEY NEVER FUCKING EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE

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>>265778618
>>265778972
>>265779062
hi

>>265778885
I'm not really saying either. I'm saying there's never going to be a better motivation for design choices than it's thematically similar to the world.
brb gotta go to the gas station.

>>265779062
see >>265778764

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>>265776273

The horror

>>265773780
JRPGs don't tend to copy Tolkien literature.

>>265778774

What the did to Shanoa in that game is unforgivable.

I quit Castlevania after that.

>>265779724
I am having a trouble identifying that... thing on the left.

>>265779804
oh no

she was in Judgement?

oh god oh god please don't post her

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>>265775808

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>>265777615
Both sides know the real best dragon design.
Fuck every dragon who did this
>>265778885
This. I want my fantasy to be fantastic, yet not destroy my suspension of disbelief.

>>265779724
How do you type?

>>265779062
by realistic, he means comparable to real lizards. obviously one design is not superior to the other, it's a matter of taste.

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its been a while since i played god eater, but if i remember the plot alisa and the others are some kind of enhanced humans with greater strenght, speed and regen and the things you fight against would pierce armor in seconds anyway

>>265779991
Are you so fucking new? The image is from 2013.

>>265777235
That doesn't make a game bad.

>>265779849
I think the bird is having the same problem.

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>expecting /v/ - Otaku Culture to come to terms with the fact that Japan has some huge culture issues

good luck with that

>>265780112
But some people think it does

>>265780128
>implying that it's possible to get a decent thread going on any japanese game more obscure than mainline SMT
>implying America doesn't have huge culture issues

>>265780681
And they're wrong.

>>265780128
Both have issues, but japanese culture=/otaku culture.

>>265780128
>/v/ - Otaku Culture
>this is what westaboos actually believe

>>265780715
Solatorobo discussion threads are pretty easy and its an obscure as fuck JRPG.

You are right though; America does have culture issues when it comes to non-Americanized games

>>265780715
>WRPG
>america
>all of the west is america

>>265780840
>implying /v/ doesn't share the "japan can do no wrong" mentality

>>265776316
Neither. They're both dreck.

>>265779943
You. I like you. Why can't more people be like you?

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>>265779804
>>265779905

>mfw weebs make sure games are from japan before they play it

I can just imagine some fatty in gamestop fervently googling game titles to make sure they're not from some "gaijin western shithole"

So, in order to portray a womyn as a strong character you have to make her look like a man?

>>265781658
>i literally haven't seen a 30+ year old women since my mom kicked me out of her house 10 years ago

good job admitting you're a virgin

>>265781125
>>implying /v/ doesn't share the "japan can do no wrong" mentality

Not anymore /v/ doesn't. Westaboos are half the board nowadays. Drop the victim complex attitude.

>>265780840
most of /v/ does.
Wrpgs are sort of the laughing stock of the game world. The only non-sophomoric about them is the lore. Which is consistently wrecked game after game by greedy assholes like bethesda. The vastness is the only redeeming factor present in modern wrpgs.

>>265781785
Read the read. 90% of the people ITT are diving in front of JRPGs to protect them from evil WRPG fans.

>>265781805
>Wrpgs are sort of the laughing stock of the game world
You are so god damn dense, anon holy shit. WRPGs sell so much better than JRPGs.

Unless by "game world" you mean "my little /v/ shithole"

>>265781769
:^)

>>265773780

I like both. Is that so hard? I like somewhat overdesigned armor on the western woman, but I don't like how skinny she is, nor do I like her lack of helmet or neck protection.

I like the tits and bare midrif on the east one, as well as her short skirt. I also enjoy the overlarge weapon.

I don't like her sameface

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>>265781805
>Wrpgs are sort of the laughing stock of the game world

>>265781769
The average 30+ year old woman isn't very strong

>>265781974
Most JRPGs are smaller budget and meant for niche markets.

Big publishers don't want to drop money into classic WRPGs anymore. All anyone gets now is Skyrim.

>>265782185
>classic WRPGs
Good job moving the goalposts, fatass

>>265774290
>run/slipperyslope.exe

>>265781405

Because there's a fence and everyone feels the need to hate what is ever on the side they're not on.

>>265779724
alright i saw the ET finger back in the day but wtf is this part, the only logical thing im pulling is that he clipped his picture when clenching his fingers in a fist but that doesnt make shit for sense either

>>265781805
>Wrpgs are sort of the laughing stock of the game world.

>mean while JRPG #49 only sells 50k copies and Skyrim 2 sells 8 million

>>265773780
That western dike.

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>>265782274
>Thinks bioware and skyrims are better and going to convince those darn uncultured people who want their niche japan rpgs to come around

>>265781443

That's some sad shit there.

>>265781658
Depends on the character. Like, if you're making a woman who's meant to be an everyman character, you wouldn't make her a supermodel. You'd want to make her more average. Other archetypes tend to run the gamut as far as attractiveness, but it usually defers to their role in the story.

>>265781805
>Wrpgs are sort of the laughing stock of the game world.
This fucking guy. Not only are western cRPGs superior to any JRPG, but the good western cRPGs have objectively better writing and stories than ANY JRPG period.

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>>265773930
>female
>modeled off a tranny

>>265781974
>sales=quality
The vast majority of consumers for any given media are like the majority of people,dead from the neck up. There's also a massive difference in population/demographic size. Somehow they don't seem to be putting games as buggy or incomplete on the market.

>>265782163
The average 16-18 year-old kid doesn't kill Ganondorf very often either.

>>265775808
Is that young gaben?

>>265782528
>changing the goal posts again

You said WRPGs are the laughing stock of the game world which is simply untrue. In fact, I'd say the opposite. JRPGs are constantly laughed at for being grind-fest UGUUU~~~ bullshit.

The game world loves WRPGs. /v/ is not the game world. You are seriously misled into thinking that anyone but /v/ gives a shit about your shitty little loli JRPGs.

I don't think I've played a proper JRPG since FFVII back when it came out.

What's a good one from the last 5 years on PC? Or are they all on consoles?

>>265782609
Both sides are bad reasons.

I hope this is trolling, because more likely than not western designs are shitty as fuck

>>265782736
>anecdotal evidence I pulled out of my ass or what some click bait SJW blog post said

You're not fooling anyone.

>>265782709
How can everyone be laughing at WRPGs if they're buying and loving them?

Not even going to read the rest of the post because I just realized you don't even know what "laughing stock" means.

Protip: the "game world" isn't your little clan on Phantasy Star. The game world is 90% western gamers who line up for games like Skryim and Dragon Age.

No one buys JRPGs anymore. They sell like fucking shit.

>>265782736
Actually nowadays because of a lot of japanese games getting dogpiled for being "weeb" on /v/, it's actually easier to discuss JRPGs on relatively normalfag sites, even in the same threads that wRPGs are also discussed.

>>265782857
Dragon Quest X is pretty good

>>265777615
Just one word, man
>Vyverns
also , u r fagit

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>>265782905
fucking this

>>265782894
Your original statement is still wrong, fatass-kun.

WRPGs are loved. JRPGs are not.

You need to change your definition of "game world" because /v/ is not the game world. The game world is currently pre-ordering Shadows of Mordor en masse, ie. a WRPG.

>>265782609
Those are all pretty stupid reasons except for the wives and daughters point. Wives, mothers, sisters and daughters should generally be women. Except in Ran, where I'm alright with it.

>>265782905
>No one buys JRPGs anymore. They sell like shit
3DS JRPGs sell well.
Xenoblade Chronicles seemed to do pretty well.

>>265783064
>WRPGs are loved. JRPGs are not

uh huh. Keep on believing that.

Neo-/v/ is real fucking garbage, holy shit.

>>265774290
>Man-faced dykes meant to pander to lesbians and feminists
>pander to lesbians and feminists
kek.
Nice way to show us you're complete retard, anon!.

>>265783056
people will shit on this image but it's true

RPGs have been slowly turning into Action games. RPGs used to be tabletop games with a controller where you actually ROLE PLAYED.

>>265783124
compared to WRPGs they sell like ass, which is why Japanese gaming has slowly been moving to mobile gaming.

>>265782905
Though I find it pretty funny that the companies that make JRPGs that "sell like fucking shit" are more financially stable than western studios that make multimillion sellers.

>>265775917
>sadly
But the pandering is great. Everyone can get what they want.

>>265783236
Get off of /v/ and go to your local Gamestop. Ask if they have Panty GrindQuest 8 and look at their facial expression.

>>265783295
>japanese devs
>stable

Oh fatass-kun you keep on churning out the jokes.

Final Fantasy XV will sell like hotcakes.
You just watch.
Its going to be the next HUGE as fuck big JRPG.

Besides Pokemon of course, which always sells well.

>>265782319
Next I suppose he'll be asking for plots that make sense and character arcs that make the NPCs come alive.

>>265780128
>huge culture issues

I'll take a peaceful society w/ strange sexual fetishes over a Somalia full of niggers and mudslimes anyday

>>265783424
>Get off of /v/ and go to your local Gamestop. Ask if they have Panty GrindQuest 8 and look at their facial expression.

They ring it up with a friendly demeanor just like when I buy any other game there.

>>265783424
And you enjoy your Transgender Quest 3 - The Journey for Inclusiveness, you neo/v/sperglord.

>>265783502
You don't know much about Japan then if you think those are their only problems.

>>265783557
Then they'll go into the back room and laugh about how some fat autistic neckbeard just bought some shitty JRPG with re-used assets from the last game.

>>265783424
The only japanese gaming companies that I can think off of the top of my head that are having financial troubles are the ones that tried to become movie companies (SE), or ones that tried to heavily westernize (Sony, Capcom).

>>265773780
I thought the jap chick had a golf bag.
And then I thought, hey it's Japan, there probably is some sexy golfing rpg.

And if not, somebody who wants money should probably get on that.

>>265782905
yet again let me iterate sales do not equal quality. With a country that's education standards are barely above mexico you're not talking about a smart consumers either. Laughing stock means something of a humorously bad quality. Which they definitely are especially in terms of functional coding and gameplay. The game world means the world of games as if game were people or just in comparison to other games. Wrpgs would be george bush of that world. A major power force but it's obviously they're deficient in some important capacities.

>>265783056
>>265783263

It's the most retarded statement ever.
Unless of course you think pen and paper is the pinnacle of VIDEO gaming.

There is a reason 30 years ago people who played RPGs put most of the importance in things besides the actual gameplay and that was because of technical limitations. If you still think that today it should be the same then I'd recommend you a time machine to get back to that time.

>>265783662
You seem to have a fixation on fat. Is this compensation for your ugly fat girlfriend, you fucking normalfag?

>>265783662
>Then they'll go into the back room and laugh about how some fat autistic neckbeard just bought some shitty JRPG with re-used assets from the last game.

You have some pretty bad paranoia anon.

>>265783649
I don't even like RPGs. This board is 18 only, diabetes-kun

>>265783679
Platinum too

>>265783756
>you should go back in time because video games are shit now!

>>265783776
JRPG fans are fat

>>265783781
I used to do it

>>265783697
Earthbound is probably the series of most mundane people and weapons against aliens.
Just with psychic powers thrown in.

>>265783882
>Platinum too
Their games don't sell well, but they're still fine because pretty much all of their games are commissioned and the development fully funded by Nintendo, Microsoft, Konami, or whoever.

>>265782485
he doesnt have fingers

>>265784027
>having to suck huge publisher teet to stay alive
>"stable"
Good job lardass

>>265783882
>>you should go back in time because video games are shit now!

I said a good RPG today needs also good gameplay and at no point did I say that those don't exist.
Think and then use the implying-stuff.

>>265784027
None of their games have an incredibly high budget, so ones like Rising are considered great successes.

>>265784253
ok fat kid

>>265773780
>I want realism in my fantasy game
Because then you can become those characters in real life.

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Shocking news: Big name JRPGs and WRPGs sell about the same. Niche games sell less, don't have the same magnitude of AAA budget behind them.

Even more shocking news: Why make an RPG when you can just make an FPS and rake in the money from casuals instead of those gamer and niche markets?

>>265784131
They aren't in any apparent danger of going under, and they keep getting work back to back, so I don't know how you wouldn't call that stable. They're working on three projects as we speak.

>>265783882
>JRPG fans are fat
I weigh 120 pounds.

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>this thread

>>265784729
>games sell like hot garbage
>"stable"

ok lard-kun

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>>265784420
>projecting

Where you bullied in kindergarden by some fat kid?
Nevermind, we established you are illiterate so there is no point in arguing with you.

>>265784886
Not all games have an overly large ad budget, anon. If platinum games weren't selling to publisher's satisfaction, why would they keep getting hired?

>>265785012
Then fuck off JRPGaylord fatass

>>265784578
that's kinda staggering considering japans population is 127m and the US is 318m.

Guys, I recently got into JRPG (Turnbase rpg's) games cause of Hentaiverse.
What turnbase RPG do you guys recommand I should try first? My only friend from steam says I should try Lost Odyssey.
What do you guys think? Any other recommendations?

>>265783882
>I used to do it
That's a pretty asshole thing to do.

>>265785057
ok kid

>>265773930
What the fuck is up with his chest?

>>265784075
>story
im assuming its the same dude, but its the same left hand so whatd he do

>>265785081
No.
I'll just stop talking to the guy who works at the McDonalds for video games.

>>265785184
pls respond.

>>265784578
What kind of sales do less well known shooters get, rather than the top 2 most famous ones?

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It's a difference in culture, mostly.

The way I see it, WRPGs focus on the player. They give you choices which can (supposedly) have an effect on the world and characters you interact with.
JRPGs focus on the story. They want a vibrant, interesting world that the player can enjoy and experience, but not necessarily change outside of the story.

Neither of these are right or wrong.

When it comes to character design
WRPGs focus on realism. That is, realism in aesthetics. Western fantasy often traps itself in the 'generic' fantasy setting and rules you might find in classic fiction such as Tolkein.
JRPGs focus on vibrancy. Colorful characters with interesting clothes and crazy weapons. JRPGs also tend to trap themselves in the 'generic,' this mostly trends to plot elements and character archetypes.

Neither of these are right or wrong.

Personally, I always find myself enjoying JRPGs more than WRPGs. My favorite kind of RPG is ARPG, and I find those are more abundant and more varied in JRPGs. Games like Kingdom Hearts, Souls, The World End with You and Parasite Eve don't really happen in the West all that often.

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That Alisa girls is made for sex

>>265776273
Fucking your fingers are long as fuck!

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>>265782857
it's not really new but trails in the sky fc finally came out for pc

>>265785716
That`s what your GF/sister/mom said when I fingered her last night.

>>265785184
>>265785565
I don't know anything about Hentaiverse, but some good turn based JRPGs include Digital Devil Saga (not too good a choice if you're strongly religious), Final Fantasy X (not a good choice if you hate linear games), and Saga Frontier.

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>>265778434
They're both terrible

>>265777612
is an abomination is regards to anatomy, perspective, and proportion, And his design just looks faggy and stupid.

>>265778046
Just looks to bland and anime.


Ethier way OoE has the best character designs in the series.

>>265785835
But Sora no Kiseki FC was out on the PC originally, back in 2004.

>>265785854
lol you joke on you i dont have any of those

>>265783064
And then you have shit like this cancer ridden faggot.
Newsflash dicksplasher:
In terms of sales, Pokemon crushes all wrpgs. "But my beloved Skyrim!" Is objectively shit and got outsold by a game on one platform.

FFXIV is getting new subscribers everyday, it's only competition being WoW, which is losing subs faster than rats leaving a sinking ship.

The Souls series has become a phenomenon, both selling in multiple milliions and garnering critical acclaim, all without a 500 million dollar ad campaign.

FFXV is globally the most anticipated RPG right now.

Now fuck off back to Reddit already.

>>265785608
Also one thing I hate in videogames how open endedness, exploration possibility or making your own character are associated with being RPG - This goes to point where I honestly know a guy who thinks this is what Computer RPG is about - so DayZ is greatest RPG of our time.

It is world, characters + gameplay mechanics, to me computer RPG in core is RPG only if it has RPG gameplay mechanics, leveling gearing and so on, which is why Mass Effect 2 stops being RPG. Dialogue choices can be made to any game, heck next call of duty could have them throughout the story would that make it a RPG?

I liked both too, morrowind just is so great when you can have story of a guy who just went around killing everyone never minding the main story, he just silently sneaked from village to village, killing the people without guards noticing, stole everything and moved to next village

If skyrim is made with $80 million and with total sales at 60 dollarydoos each you get about 15 times the money back for that one hit of a big name franchise.

If a niche jrpg title with a smaller fanbase like the sells 100k and is sold at 40-60 dollarydoos from a shoestring budget means a respectable return for that small comapny.

The fact that any skyrimjober or wrpg bootlicker would try to lord it over the niche market is asinine.

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>when people have names like Zero and have white hair
or when they have to be described in like 5 sentences
like hes a god but also a demon and hell good swordz but has a spreading disease that can only be sated by the blood of his enemies and also has a dragon pet and a sword the size of jupiter but only fights when necessary and also has a son that is a robot and he has a laser gun that shoots dildos

>>265786846
>a laser gun that shoots dildos
Saint's Row is a Western game, anon

>>265786656
True. If wrpg fans had their wish, all rpgs would be earth tone, Tolkien inspired shitfests. Luckily Japan doesn't give a fuck and caters to a wide variety of tastes.

>>265786276
average redditor rebuttal to your entire post:
>"b-but pokemon isn't a jrpg, it's its own genre!"
>"b-but ffxiv is an mmo, d-doesn't count!"
>"b-but souls games are wrpg's because, uh, because no turn based combat!"
>"b-but ffxv is for casuals"

Why are you arguing with retards?

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>>265787032
you got me

>>265786276
Hell Anon, FFXIII outsold Skyrim and it was the worst Final Fantasy ever.

>>265774743
Holy shit is this bad

>>265787146
>it's its own genre!
People don't actually say this, do they?

>>265786573
Those things are associated with RPG's because the term role-playing game originates with tabletop RPG's like D&D. Both the storytelling and gameplay components of tabletop RPG's inform our understanding of the term role-playing game.

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>>265784859
>I weigh 120 pounds.
>mr mime 4'03'' 120.1 lbs
found you

>>265787347
Just assblasted wrpg fans in denial do. Can't stand that their mud-covered, gritty shitfest got beaten by a child's game.

>>265782736
>The game world loves WRPGs.
I'm sorry but what was Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger again?

>>265787648
dead franchisees.

why, kid?

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I'm going to post this every time I see these fucking threads until you assholes stop replying to them.

>>265787594
OH SHIT
I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT

How do you even know Mr Mime's weight off the top of your head?

>>265787807
>apples
>relating to video games

>>265787817
I have not even played a pokemon game in 10+ years. I have asperger's though

>>265779297
>Creatures who's existence is based off magic need to follow logical biology
You are either baiting or an autist

>>265787740
Final Fantasy 13 outsells Skyrim
dead franchise

Chrono Trigger remake on DS sells over 2 million.
Maybe not an active franchise, but millions bought a remake of an over 15 year old, easily emulated game.

>>265788067
Interesting.
Well I'm impressed anon.

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>>265779943
notbad/10

>>265776379
I want to stay in the past.

>>265788149
ok fat kid

>>265787945
>Apples
Are you fucking stupid

>>265781405
>>265788231
I didn't make it. Just something I think should be pushed more.

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>>265774290
>Why can't we have a happy medium, like a cute young woman in practical clothing?
What about a cute loli in practical clothing?

>>265773780
I don't care why they're different. I'm glad they are. I don't want everything to be the same. If I get tired of western style I switch to eastern style and back again as I please because it's all good just in different ways.

>>265788385
Maybe he's never seen an apple growing before and thought those were apples before they were fully grown.

>>265773780
Because JRPGs aren't RPGs. Just linear VNs with spreadsheet stats.

>>265776747
>>265776273
ayy lmao

>>265773780
>the left picture is from DAI
well you see the JRPG picture is different from that because it's actually good and not SJW pandering crap

>>265788498
Why would you assume it's a still growing apple instead of a fully grown cherry

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>>265788512
>linear
Have I got news for you, anon!

Also see Xenoblade Chronicles, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Final Fantasy XV

>>265784578
Skyrim broke 20 mil

>>265788647
It looks similar to an apple?
I dunno anon. I thought it was a cherry too, but some people's minds work in odd ways.

>>265788649
Still pure excrement made for brainless casual permavirgin weeaboos though.

>>265788793
I guess it's not too far off

>>265788649
That's still linear, it just has a lot of exploration to be done.
The least linear final fantasy is probably FF1

>>265788793

But the pic even has the word cherry in the file name

>>265773930
>beautiful
no
>dangerous
if you think acting like an edgy teenager is dangerous
>mysterious
if by mysterious you mean some underage kid writing a character thats dressed in black covered a black cloak with a black hood whos face is constantly in shadow who is sitting in the darkest corner of the darkest in in the darkest shadows because hes the darky dark dark mysterious hero

the one on the right, whatever generic crap writing went into her, at least she looks like she was made by someone that wasnt completely inept
half of biowares bullshit they spew about their female characters not having to be beautiful to be characters is just to hide the fact that their character modellers and texture artists are fucking talentless hacks

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>>265788901
Don't forget about an obscene amount of sidequests.
At least its not Final Hallway XIII or something like that. Its much less linear at the very least.

>>265788835
>brainless
Pic related

>>265788946
Maybe he missed it.
You have a point though anon, he really should've known.

>>265789058
>Wall of text of plot holes of a generic sameface with a dartboarded anime personality

Yeah, totally makes the shitty game not for brainless retard permavirgin weeb cancer.

>>265788184
it only really works numbers/values. I can't even remember the names of every star trek tng episode though I love it much more than pokemon. Sucks when you can't pick your own stats.

>>265788512
I love how people say shit like this without knowing what the word linear means. The SaGa series of games alone disproves this nonsense, not even getting into anything else, and there's plenty more.

>>265789495
Too bad you can't refute the fact they're still shitty games made for brainless casual permavirgin weeaboos and they're still not even remotely 1% of a proper RPG.

Checkmate weebs.

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>>265789370
>plotholes
All right anon, I'll continue playing your little game.
Name them.

>anime personality
But that's part of the point of the picture. Its not just some generic personality. He grows and changes.

>>265775808
funny how you can draw the one on the right, but not on the left. Gaben's description doesn't indicate ANY physical characteristics

>>265773780
Cherry picking aside, in the first place it's silly to compare the designs of a medieval fantasy game to those of a futuristic sci-fi game.

>>265789783
>Grows and changes

From an insufferable dartboard animu personality to a different one? OK then.

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>>265774290
That's what Fire Emblem is for.

>>265789902
from an immature naive teenager into an adult with a sense of purpose. Coming of age stories are large part of jrpgs because they're often the most significant change a person has in their life and they can be learned from.

>>265774290
Because the people who want this, feminists and leftists, are completely uncreative and cannot make it themselves.

>>265790214
>they're often the most significant change a person has in their life and they can be learned from.
In other words, they're easily relatable and can be mass-produced on a large scale with little to no effort while being praised to high heaven by critics.
See: Boyhood

>>265773780
just more proof that jrpgs are better then the crap that bioware and bethesda put out

>>265790214
So why didn't you learn to stop being a faggot then?

Checkmate, weebs.

>>265789575
Oddly enough, the SaGa series of games, alone, counters just about every issue people have with games. Even the one that they pander to weeaboos, since, the SaGa games were made for Japanese players, never with a thought to western audiences, even the ones that like Japan a tad too much. Non-linear games, multiple paths, different ways of playing and the ability to build your character as you like, learning completely different techniques with the same character over multiple play throughs and more. I know you're trolling, that this is essentially bait, but you really should give the old SaGa games a play.

Even non-RPGs in Japan offer great non-linear gameplay, for example Steamboat Chronicles. This is a game where you wash up on a shore, and have no memory and a pretty girl finds you and takes you to town to recover, but on the way you're confronted by a bandit. In any other game this would be your introduction to combat. In this game you could fight him, bribe him, or even give the girl to the bandit.

Now that's non-linearity.

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I honestly didn't expect this kind of modesty in armor design from Square.

Dark Souls is the only other one I can think of that doesn't have retarded armor designs for women.

I don't know why more RPGs or games in general from Japan follow suit. And it makes me angry that the west is the main target for claims of sexism when Japanese character designs are ridiculous

>>265788431
>Beret
>Practical
Berets are for faggots.

>>265790352
it's a common theme but it's just that a theme in a story made of several themes. Some characters even regress. I personally think they're implemented more out of need than attempt to get praised. Because there's not that many ways to show character development in video games. It's something practically non-present in wrpgs because they just don't know how. The character ends their journey not far removed from the way they began it. Which in my opinion is sad and a failure of the writers to make the weight of your decisions reflected in the character and not just the world.

>>265790469
Final Fantasy 1 also let you sequence break pretty heavily.

>>265791285
>Because there's not that many ways to show character development in video games
Except there are plenty.
Any way that would be possible in a book or movie is possible in a game, and then some.

>>265776316

The one that's actually a reflection of actual people.

I'm not in high school anymore. Stories about fantastical beings that breach the realm of sense and are less about examination of humanity or the human condition and more about THIS COOL THING BECAUSE ITS COOL aren't interesting anymore.

>>265773780
How the fuck are there this many people with this opinion here? Where are all the SonyBronies? Past their bedtime?

>>265790841
Dragon's Dogma
even plays like a wrpg just with jrpg style attack animations. Game has some big problems mainly content related but it's definitely western inspired.

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Does anyone remember back when FF was a weeaboo shitfest? Those were good times man, good times.

>>265776273

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome

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>>265776273
same

>>265791783

who flies the bird with the thumb under the index finger, honestly

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>>265773780
No, they're absolutely and purely artificial

For anyone who is actually interested in the western and japanese RPG video games and the dynamics of how the different styles came to be, read Quests by Jeff Howard and Dungeons and Desktops by Matt Barton

But I know all of you fuckers are just gonna keep making these shitty threads and bickering about waifus and shit

>>265791456
I don't agree. With most jrpgs they have to often balance focus a lot between character on your team. There's almost always a main focus but you can't have them changing allegiances more than once or making choices that alienate their team. Mainly because the players would get mad. That you'd have to stop the game for everyone to have soliloquies or internal monologues which really kinda sucks and is abused in a lot of literature.

>>265791849
no sane man

>>265790361
Bioware and Bethesda put out crap because they pay their dev teams minimum wage, not because they aren't from le glorious nippon

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>>265773780
I don't get why JRPGs are so beloved to be honest, I don't believe I have ever played one with gameplay I considered to be significantly good an please don't shout about how a few TRPGs or ARPGs have great gameplay, because those hardly should even be counted as RPGs, you know exactly the sorts of games I mean when I say JRPG so don't start arguing semantics.

Also before you snap at me, I know WRPGs aren't any better in that department, it's just I can understand the appeal at least in playing choose your own story sorts of things, with JRPGs you often don't even get that. So why are they so loved by everyone, is it the stories? I can't believe it would be the grind or anything. If it's the stories you like I guess I can see that, even if I don't understand enjoying that type of stuff myself.

Again, I'm not trying to troll or anything, I just can't understand it.

>>265791872
Don't you realize we need this to focus our almost incoherent rage into something "fun. Perhaps one of the funnest things in life is arguing and through doing so questioning your beliefs and preconceptions. Live and grow, and enjoy the fight because we are.

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>>265790063
nephnee a best

>>265788901
>That's still linear, it just has a lot of exploration to be done.
What

>>265773780
>Bioware
>representing Western devs

God. Have we really let it get this bad?

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>>265791849
>>265792013
fuck both of you

>>265792336
Having the same retarded argument fueled by confirmation bias every single night isn't growing or challenging your beliefs. Try reading a book some day.

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>>265773780
JRPG: Females with the faces of 8 - 12 year old little girls and the bodies of porn stars.

WRPG: Busted hags with manjaws.

One is directly aimed at pedophiles who want to fuck little girls but don't want to feel guilty so they slap some tits and ass on them while keeping their face looking like a pre-pubescent little girl, the other is aimed at.. Well I don't know who the fuck wants some manjawed dykes.

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>>265779943
>not the one that shits on both

>>265792675
That's just it, it isn't modeled to be some wankbait.

WRPGs need to be compelling in gameplay, not sexual appeal.

Though OP's example is bad considering Bioshit makes western skinned JRPGs.

>>265779943
>that subtle trolling of wrpg production values

>>265792568
I've definitely changed my opinions on a lot of things since. I don't think the same come to these threads consistently. Just felt feisty tonight so I figured I'd join. I've maybe been in 3 of these things in 5-6 years. Maybe more... there's been some internet drinking nights.

>>265792783
I want to see this

>>265792237
Dark Souls is a JRPG. Dragon's Dogma is a JRPGs. Saga Frontier is a JRPG. Resonance of Fate is a JRPG. And many more.

The fact you're acting like there are no choices, and they're extremely linear, tells me your experience of JRPGs is paper thin in the first place as JRPGs were offering non-linear and choice based gameplay as early as the NES days, into the SNES days and still in the PS1, PS2 and onward. People just like to cover their senses and pretend they don't exist so they can rant.

>>265792814
>WRPGs need to be compelling in gameplay
You should try telling that to the WRPGs

I haven't played a single WRPG that I would consider compelling.

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WE'RE NOT SO DIFFERENT, YOU AND I

>>265792814
>Bioshit makes western skinned JRPGs.
This is the truest statement I've ever read on 4chin.

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>>265776273
gtfo mr fingers

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>>265792915
I can't find it in my mass of pictures. Have this consolation prize.

>>265775808
kekd

I'm all for Fantasy, but these are just horrible.

If I'm gonna play as a woman, I'd prefer her to be attractive and not dressed in slut clothes. Both are horrible.

>>265776379
>cod ghosts lead us to future
I can agree with the context of this, but the examples provided are b8 as fuck

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in b4 "what game is in spot ____"

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>>265775808
>he's 100,000000,000000000 years old

Why do weabs love this shit? The only time I've ever played a JRPG where they did this right was Lost Odyssey.

>>265779943
I feel like theyre's more exceptions for the JRPG side but still a very good and balanced chart
8/10

>>265792814
>aesthetically pleasing female protagonists are objectifying!

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>>265793565
>i can't play these games because i'm insecure about playing as a cute girl, so i'm just going to dismiss them as "moe shit"
Oh, what's the point, I already know it's a bait image, why even bother

>>265773930
The right is correct. Who the fuck likes that garbage on the left?

>>265793565
Moeshit truly is the cancer killing both anime and videogames.

>>265793565
But Atelier is actually good.

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>>265792938
> you know exactly the sorts of games I mean when I say JRPG so don't start arguing semantics.
You're a real cunt mate, you heard what I said, but you had to regurgitate the same bullshit excuse used every single time anyone says anything critical. Muddy those waters and maybe no one will see the real question in the depths is that your plan?

If that's true it shouldn't be hard for you to name more than a handful off the top of your head. Talking about what older forgotten games have done in the past has very little to do with what we are talking about currently, the here and now. Also, for your information, I have tried more than a handful of popular JRPGs. and unpopular ones for that matter, and the experience has been relatively consistent, if these titles that offer so much choice are as common as you say chances say I should have blundered into one by now.

Oh, and by the way, you still haven't even bothered to respond any of the other points raised.

>>265793613
I honestly can't think of many examples where this actually happens.

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>>265773930
>When I ask for an RPG heroine; I expect a tranny. Thanks EA/Bioware!

>>265793881
unfortunately, just like the shittier parts of almost anything, the moeshit is the loudest and most visible part of each medium, as small as it is.

>>265793865
>insecure
There's that moeshit defense word again.

No faggot, the reason people don't like played as those retarded sexualised 12 year olds is because they offer no depth or character.

Remember, people used to play RPG's primarily for the story and characters, moeshit is just pandering wank material for wannabe pedophiles, nothing more.

If I want to wank, I'll watch porn, if I want to play an RPG I'll play one with good characters.

>>265773780

WRPG character design=take a picture of one of the devs, GIS some medieval armor, c+p his head on top of it, give him a beard/5 o clock shadow, and double the size of the pauldrons

>>265793865
>y-you're just too insecure
That's like ponyfag logic

>>265793798
I never said that. I just don't think EVERY character needs to be about sex appeal.

Why do we have to have the same thread every fucking day?

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I recently learned of a series called Chronicles of Valkryia, which, as I have been told, is a kinda strategy/action/jrpg mixed together and is supposedly quite good. I only know it through the soundtrack, but what do you guys think about it?

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>>265793865
>insecure
Kek this is like me saying you don't like pic related because you're too insecure to play as a big handsome beefy muscleman.

Nice non-argument.

>>265779943
I wonder what an RPG made by Mexicans & Brazilians would be like?

Or an RPG made by some shit-stain, disease-ravaged, retard-ville African Country (raping a 3-year old virgin cures AIDS, which isn't caused at all by HIV!!!)?

>>265794389
I tried it back when it was first launched on PS3 and I didn't like it very much, but then again I generally hate Japanese 'tactics' games as they're so god damn slow and monotonous.

If you like shit like Final Fantasy Tactics you'll probably love it. Story seemed decent enough.

>>265794526
A mix of every conceivable genre as retarded as it sounds.

>>265773780

Japan is a perverted nation filled with loosers.

Furthermore, they romanticize, idolize and warp the idea of western history and mythology because they are fascinated by it and don't understand it.

Dragons, elves, dwarves and trolls? Those are European phenomenons! We believe every nation has a pre-concieved notion of these fictional entities but they don't.

And that's why Japan makes everything fantasy weird.

>>265794528
Ah, if it's like Final Fantasy then that's an automatic turn-off for me.

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>>265792938
>Dark Souls is a JRPG

Sure it is, buddy.

>>265773780
WRPGs are generally just nostalgia fests where boring morons try to recreate their LotR fantasies from childhood. Designs often look alike from one game to the next and gameplay is often uninspired and boring. Either that, or they take a generic FPS and slap stats in there to lure in retards.

JRPGs are more or less interactive anime, so we're talking about male power fantasies, sexual fantasies and other related things. They generally have more variety in appearance, design and gameplay, but the sheer volume of them and all good ideas being used up years ago has left the genre feeling flat and pointless. Not to mention that in recent years the pedo audience is being pandered to HARD as well.

Witch do I prefer?

retro JRPGs. They're basically a little of colum A and a little of colum B, and generally have interesting gameplay features that modern games of all types totally lack. Plus they're shorter, witch appeals to me as an adult with a family and job. And they also generally lack any loli material, witch is good, because I find that shit disturbing.

Modern RPGs of any type are often shit fests that simply aren't worth the time. Yet ironically are designed to waste tons of time with.

All the in-fighting among RPG fans is humorous though. So keep up the good work you fucking dullards (WRPG fans) and perverts (JRPG fans).

>>265785608
Except one of those is an RPG - playing a character, making choices, interacting with the world -
The other is not - assuming a pre-determined character, no choices or only superficial choices, interacting with the world where the writer decided to have the character interact

RPGs are not about getting gear or leveling up. RPGs are about making choices and interacting with the world.
They are also very rare in today's market.
VNs are more RPG than JRPGs

>>265794725
No no, it's nothing like traditional Final Fantasy.

FF Tactics is a spin-off with completely different gameplay, it's an isometric turn based tactics games (kinda like chess but for kidz)

>>265794148
It's pretty easy to dismiss the character as having "no depth or character" when you've never actually played the game they're from- since we've just established that you only see it as wank material for pedophiles, nothing more.

>>265794764
If it comes from Japan, and it's an RPG, it's a Japanese RPG. JRPG for short.

>>265793565
and moeshit is still the most fun to play.

>>265793870

Morrigan was rather decent, she also had the luck to not be in DA:2 at all.
S..surely they can't fuck her up in DA:I.

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Why are Westerners so obsessed with making fantasy realistic?

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>>265792512
Fuck all of yall!