Is this THE most (in)famous ass shot in any videogame ever?
This single shot transformed Samus to a sex doll. Everyone who knows Metroid knows about this shot. It's perhaps more well known than the game itself.
Actually the ass shot from Brawl is what did Samus in. Zero Mission had the same amount of fanservice as any other Metroid game. Even though you're got a shot of her ass, it's just her normal backside. It's a dramatic angle, and her posture reflects feeling of the trepidation she's experience in that moment. It's practically implemented.
But in Brawl, it's just a gratuitous ass and titty shot.
The image I'm referring to. It's just that generic "I'm a girl, so look at my ass and titties while I float here with no purpose" shot.
It's all how it's presented. There's a difference between some whore getting naked and jumping in front of you while here tits flop around, and going to see a burlesque show, with costume and sultriness, and class.
In Zero Mission, Samus's ass was displayed in a way that was sexy, but also purposeful. She displayed the right emotions in the context of the moment, and the angle was justified.
In Brawl, there's no reason for Samus to just be floating there with her posture the way it was, other than to show off the goods as well as possible.
Metroid ALWAYS had fanservice. Smash Bros CHEAPENED it.
>Brawl isn't even a proper ass shot. Zero Mission is.
Yes it is. Not every ass shot has to be fall within 45 degrees of facing the ass.
>Also, what about the thonging lines in Zero Mission?
You mean those seams that go over her hips? Like I said, Metroid always had fanservice. Those lines are just the seams on the suit, that accentuate her figure. And also, those lines best contour to her figure. Think why gymnast wear leotards. Because it's the best contour to the body.
No this is the most Infamous ass shot ever.
The point is to show that she's vulnerable. She was just shot down and lost her power suit. Now she must rely on her wits and survive the crawl through the space pirate ship and neighboring Chozo ruins. Yes, Samus does have a sweet ass. But the shot is not any more or less gratuitous than Samus in a two piece at the end of Super Metroid, or the Justin Bailey suit at the end of Metroid 1.
I mean, would she be wearing anything other than some kind of spandex like skin-tight future-wear under the power suit? I don't think a Victorian era dress would fit in there.
Damn she's sexy. Anyone has that webm where she get spanked?
That's your opinion.
The allusion to skintight, revealingly-cut body suit is clear. Sex doll.
The the death animation and stuff in Super.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just silly to pretend a body suit showing less is this mind-blowing ascension for her character.
If anything >>264063563 is correct to whatever point you're trying to make in pushing more sexual tones, but that's a different conversation.
Probably, yeah. I doubt there's any room for flopping clothes inside the power suit. Shit, there are plenty of logical explanations for it riding up like that. How do we know it doesn't ride up in the suit? Getting shot at in a space ship by pirates is like pucker factor 10, my ass would be clenching hard as fuck if I were her.
Consider this as well: A common thing soldiers do is jam their underwear all the way up. Tight up in the crotch and all up in the ass crack. It prevents chafing. The last thing you want to do in a firefight is to get ass, ball, and thigh chafe. Samus is fighting non-stop. If I were her and I had no importunity for clothing adjustments, I'd make sure that fabric is in there tight.
The Zero suit is sexy, and it is fanservice. But it's within reason. It makes sense for it to be the way it is.
Yeah, she was really powerful and inspiring to females everywhere, you know, being absolutely silent and having no personality or character at all. Damn Nintendo for making her sexy.
The scene in Zero Mission serves a purpose besides showing off Samus' ass a bit.
The render of Samus in Brawl is a typical spine-bender pose that serves only to show off both her ass and tits.
Just looking at this chart, guess when Brawl came out.
No dude, this was the deathknell of Samus. In the past (unless you used a cheat code) she just took her armor off at the end. Sure it was sexy, but it wasn't braindead cheesecake. People have undergarments. She ran around in armor to work, then took it off to relax. And if you found the latter hot, well, enjoy those 8 seconds of it being on screen.
That ass shot went along with the whole implementation of the Zero Suit, making her someone that went around being sexy, boobs bouncing and butt wiggling, while she was meant to be kicking ass. It turned the fem-Master Chef into a poor man's Bayonetta and paved the way for the shitpile that was Other M. Damn shame.
The ass-shot that was her intro in Smash was just Nintendo continuing on the trend that Zero Mission started. Sakamoto went pants on head retarded once the rest of the Metroid guys moved on (or, you know, died).
No, because "no suit" was just an easter egg. You may as well be saying it makes sense to give a character a giant head all the time because there was a Big Head Mode code in an earlier game.
When I was actually playing the game I never really sexualized this shot, it was only after seeing screenshots posted on sites did it become sexy.
Also if all it takes is a camera angle and some anatomy to dehumanize someone into the level of sex doll, your humanity is cheap.
I don't like Zero Suit Samus
because now we won't see best Samus anymore.
There is nothing wrong with running around in a catsuit, like you're making it sound. When you play as ZSS, she's a tiny sprite. They didn't animate her bouncing and jiggling at all. That's all in your head. You just made that up.
She was just being a girl on a mission, who happens to look hot as balls. But it was handled in such a way that it was all justifiable.
It wouldn't matter if the same gameplay in Zero Mission was done in high resolution 3D. There's still nothing wrong with the way it's handled. The problem came when Sakurai took was was justifiable, practically implemented sexiness, and cheapened it.
>Samus will never again be a tall, light-haired, long-haired, vaguely-reasonably-proportioned, nice looking lady
>We are forever stuck with 5'5", short ponytail, fucking yellow-blonde hair, massive-tits-and-ass, and the face of a goddamn pornstar
She has had some dialogue that gives a bit of a window to her personality, but it was admittedly mostly shallow. There have also been actions she's made that do the same.
This is all mostly because those things are largely irrelevant to the series. There was never anyone for Samus to interact with other than aliens that wanted to shoot/claw/chew/melt her face off.
The thing is that the Zero Suit in ZM likely came about because the devs came up with the stealth section at the end and realized they had to come up with SOME kind of getup for Samus to run around in that made some sense. The only other option for that being the underoos she would show up in in previous game's game overs, something like in >>264068905 , or some manner of undersuit she could conceivably wear while in her armor normally, which is what we got.
Its also displaying the fact that Samus has no powersuit, a pissant little pistol, and has to infiltrate a massive Space Pirate ship if she has any hope of getting off Zebes, or even surviving.
How do you know this?
>ponytail and blonde hair
How is this wrong?
They're big, but not massive
She has a normal, womanly backside, hardly "massive".
>face of a pornstar
So only pornstars wears lipstick now?
>There is nothing wrong with running around in a catsuit, like you're making it sound.
A catsuit, for a space marine mission? That was put in there for sex appeal, and sex appeal only. And that's fine for some games, but it was out of place in games that thrived on moody isolation. The games were dark, they tried to make you feel like you were running around in a living hostile organism in the first one, and used that tone onward.
Trying to keep that creepy moody isolation and throw in simultaneous cheesecake? It was never a good idea. That's an entirely different tone.
>When you play as ZSS, she's a tiny sprite.
Until the graphics improved. I'm not saying there was bouncing and jiggling there, I'm saying the game did what it could to show us how sexy the Zero Suit was, and as graphics improved of course we saw that sexiness more often. It wasn't as jarring initially, but the introduction of the suit was still where they started fucking Metroid up.
There was also the manga and the cutscenes that showed her past (which matched up with the manga).
It wasn't much, but even sticking to what was just in the games we knew she'd been orphaned by Ridley's pirates, got raised by spacebirds, joined the military, quit the military because she hated taking orders, and right up to the last game in the series chronology was able to go "no that order's stupid, I'm ignoring it". And she could be pretty introspective, going by those few scraps of dialog. Anyone saying there was nothing there before Other M wasn't paying fucking attention.
Because that's her new official height?
Because instead of being actually blonde- as in, a light hair color, it is basically MSpaint yellow.
They're pretty fucking big now, as is her ass, giving her an almost completely different figure altogether. Look at her in the new Smash and look at her at the end of Fusion and they're are polar opposites.
Aw don't do that. Don't bullshit like that. Don't act like that's really the only thing you think I'm talking about. Her face is rounder, her eyes are more almondy and more sultry. She has lipstick, that beautymark, a different forehead, a different chin- etc.
>The thing is that the Zero Suit in ZM likely came about because the devs came up with the stealth section at the end and realized they had to come up with SOME kind of getup for Samus to run around in that made some sense.
Can't say I agree. Saying that her armor was just ridiculously damaged but keeping her in it would've been possible. Or designing a getup that wasn't a latex catsuit. It's doable. They made a choice to go with sexy, and in the end it was a bad call for the franchise. Didn't fit the tone that had been making Metroid work.
The beauty mark's the kicker. "We gave her a beauty mark and high heels at the same time. What? You think we're trying to turn her into our sex appeal character? Whatevermadeyouthinkthat?"
Because it's a cartoony artstyle?
But I'm not talking about the new Smash, I'm talking about Zero Mission. There's hardly anything big with her ass. And while her boobs may be big, they're hardly massive.
Her face is rounder? Never spotted that...
While the ZS section did show that Samus isn't completely useless out of her powersuit, that she's incredibly agile, and is capable of facing ridiculous odds, it was still meant to display the difference in raw power between her and the Space Pirates.
After Zero Mission, the Zero Suit just served the purpose her underoos did before. It was the "reward" for finishing the game, to see Samus outside of her suit.
It wasn't until Brawl that it took a front row seat in things and really got some time in the spotlight.
Are you trying to suggest she should've been running around in basically non-functioning husk of what was left of her powersuit? Because that just seems like a terrible idea, and that's assuming it isn't completely un-powered dead weight that would just slow her down.
Are you really saying you would have preferred some kind of full outfit that she could actually worn underneath the suit? What could you possibly suggest for something like that that wouldn't look like a catsuit or something else "overly sexualized"?
Fucking please. "Didn't fit the tone", are we even talking about the same fucking series?
Since we all about Samus here....
What do you mean source? How about look it up you lazy douche. Sakamoto has said it many times, it's mentioned multiple times throughout Other M- that's an objective fucking fact.
And weirdly link isn't dayglo fucking green. So that isn't an excuse.
Then what the fuck are we talking about? Who gives a shit about zero mission? Yes it was the beginning of the end, but it's completely fucking irrelevant. Talk about the newest thing or shut up.
>every female character has to be a strong independent role model for womyn everywhere or else the patriarchy wins
>Are you trying to suggest she should've been running around in basically non-functioning husk of what was left of her powersuit?
> that just seems like a terrible idea,
Future sci-fi. It doesn't have to be heavy. We've run around in the suit when it had been completely depowered, just say this time it's not just depowered it's damaged too, so of even less use.
And she wouldn't ditch it because she'd be hoping for repairs.
Or, like I said, just come up with a design that isn't a latex catsuit.
>What could you possibly suggest for something like that that wouldn't look like a catsuit or something else "overly sexualized"?
Off the top of my head? Something like this. A futuristic spacesuit that's not drawn with emphasis on T&A.
>Fucking please. "Didn't fit the tone", are we even talking about the same fucking series?
Go play Metroid. Vaguely inspired by Alien, where you run around on a planet with music meant to remind you of living things, but mostly quiet to give a sense of desolation. You fight shit like a giant mutated brain. You spent most of your time exploring ruins, all alone. The freakish "baby" you save dies on front of you, after you wiped out its race. There's a parasite that reanimates zombified corpses. It was meant to be pretty damn dark and moody dude.
>Everyone who knows Metroid knows about this shot.
I actually didn't, because I never bothered with Zero Mission. After the incredible piece of shit that Fusion was it just looked (and still does) like more of the same cancer.
First off, Zero Mission is the best 2D metroid. It's better than Super. It has tighter controls, more fun (not MORE, but more FUN, in my OPINION) sequence breaks, and it is an overall blast to play.
also you're a dumb cunt if you don't like fusion. It's not the best, but it had good bosses and good atmosphere, and good controls.
That's pretty damn close to being the Zero Suit. Just a bit less unflattering. Probably because its a full space suit, and not just a thermal undergarment like the Zero Suit seems to be meant to be.
That's nice and all. But the problem with those with any kind of transformation fetish, is that they get off to the transformation itself. The end results are quickly forgotten for pursuit of a new transformation.
What I'm saying is: where the fuck is the animation of big booty Samus just twerking on a loop?
>Future sci-fi. It doesn't have to be heavy
It still requires a set of back thrusters to properly jump around in. She wouldn't be doing her normal jumps or be nearly as mobile as in normal circumstances. Wearing it up against a huge ship full of well armed Space Pirates "hoping she'd be able to repair it" is just asking to die because of her sentiments.
>Off the top of my head? Something like this. A futuristic spacesuit that's not drawn with emphasis on T&A.
It would still have to conceivably wearable underneath her powersuit (which already stretched the confines is reality in how tightly it fits on a normal human anatomy.
That's the SAME FUCKING THING as the Zero Suit you unbelievable twat. The only real difference is that it has a set of boots.
>Vaguely inspired by Alien
You mean the movie where Ripley spends a bit of time running around in her undies and a light shirt?
And how was being completely alone and desperate, weak, incapable of even fighting your enemies, which are numerous and whose home turf you are fighting in, not dark and moody?
Works for me, everything I've heard about it indicates it to be a really fucking shit remake of the original Metroid. I wouldn't want to go through that same sort of crushing disappointment and feelings of betrayal I felt with Fusion all over again.
>A little less flattering
No, it's a lot less flattering. The Zero suit is skintight latex. Thermal undergarment my ass, it rides up her ass so far you'd need the grapple beam to yank it out.
Other good examples of things that she could have worn for a "stealth mission".
And what's with the assumption she HAD to be stuck wearing what was under her armor? Her ship crashed and her armor was toasty. Wouldn't have been hard to write that she put on emergency gear. It's a big ship, she's got supplies in there.
Who cares? Any game after the first Metroid Prime sucked and it didn't have anything to do with her sexuality either.
First off, that isn't on the metroid wikia anymore.
Second off, it was never official to begin with. It was from Nintendo FUCKING POWER. AKA not a credible source. They made shit up all the time. Secondly, even if it WAS a credible source, they were talking about her SUIT.
If you want to be REAL here, she is somewhere between 5'11" and 6'1" PRE-OTHER M, accounting for her height shown in all the Prime games, in Super, and in the Metroid 2 manual.
BUT, that height was RETCONNED and NOW she is 5'5".
>you will never lay down and sleep on top of Samus's ass only to find you've slept for a hundred years and you are now an old man with a long beard
>people will never sing folk songs about you
Not him but:
>Best 2D Metroid
Yeah, even Fusion was better than ZM.
ZM is not a worth remake at all with the shitty soundtrack and bland backgrounds, not mention the horrible forced stealth section at the end.
That space suit is super skin tight as well. Unlike traditional space suits it achieves its pressure against the skin by being tight instead of by inflating with air, and that includes being tight against the ass. In that image it just has the protective outer layer on it so you can't see that aspect of it.
The Zero Suit is really similar to the actual garments worn under space suits. Its just a bit shinier. If you want to get totally technical in a space suit that works by being tight against the skin her breasts more than her ass would be squished and not visible. But hey its the future they've worked that out.
Have you ever seen female Volleyball players or runners? Girls with athletic bodies can still have a nice robust yet bouncy ass. And wearing high heels at her height is more of a sign of empowerment.
>you will never be able to criticize the damaging sexualization of Samus again after this Quinnspiracy shit
Kain was right: we have invited in a ton of right-wing shitters and now /v/ will never be the same.
>First off, that isn't on the metroid wikia anymore.
Are you even trying? I screencapped that TWO MINUTES AGO when I posted that.
I see no sources that give any retconned height. So I'll be the second one to ask you for the fucking source.
Wearing high heels in any environment that isn't formal is a sign of a moron and/or a bimbo.
>No, it's a lot less flattering. The Zero suit is skintight latex.
Skintight yes, but it never looked latex-y until Other M (which was awful anyway so no point bringing it up). And the suit in your pic would look exactly the same at the same camera angle.
>It still requires a set of back thrusters to properly jump around in.
Fair cop. I'd argue you could come up with a stripped-down not-heavy "bare essentials" suit with just the helmet and a few pieces of lighter armor, and have it seem plausible.
>It would still have to conceivably wearable underneath her powersuit
Why? She'd crashed and crawled out. She could have pulled out some gear.
>That's the same thing as the Zero suit
No, it's really not. If you want to see what it looks like drawn, Anon showed the Normal Suits in Gundam, and that's analogous. You can still sex them up, but they're still pretty darn different from the skintight Zero suit.
>You mean the movie where Ripley spends a bit of time running around in her undies and a light shirt?
Yup. With the other half being her in a jumpsuit. Hey, if the artists didn't emphasize Samus' ass and breasts so much, the Zero Suit wouldn't be cheesecake either. Artist intent does come into play here.
>How was it not dark and moody
You look at the OP picture and tell me honestly, do you think most people were completely focused on how she'd crashed and was depowered, up shit creek without a paddle... or do you think that at least some of their attention was on DAT ASS.
It keeps happening to her after that. Serious scenes but the camera focuses on her ass. Shit dude, when she was telling Adam "no don't kill your bro" where was the camera?
>mfw straight males feel shameful about their sexuality
Why does it bother you so much? It's just an ass.
In your opinion, which is wrong by the way. It's actually impressive when you think about it.
I didn't have any problems with it.
She usually took her clothes off at the end of the mission. It seemed like the mission was over so she took her clothes off. Then the game continued, both taking you off guard and making you play a stealth section which outside of a few moments in Fusion I don't think they ever did before.
It looked pretty latexy in Brawl. The story mode really emphasized it a few times, with cameras loving her ass. I mean it's a nice ass, but I'm not happy this is the direction they think is right for Samus and Metroid.
>No, it's really not. If you want to see what it looks like drawn, Anon showed the Normal Suits in Gundam, and that's analogous. You can still sex them up, but they're still pretty darn different from the skintight Zero suit.
You mean all those suits that would never fit underneath the Powersuit without giving Samus the mother of all chafes and wedgies? Other than Domon's at least which, well, showed off his ass practically every single suit up sequence.
i like to imagine that the same people that look at ass pictures and say "shopped" are the same kinds of people that go see movies and say "this isn't real"
who cares if it's shopped it's still hot get over it
>My God in heaven, a bunch of underpaid wannabe journalists that have little experience with real issues emailed one another going "so, uh... should we cover this or what?"
Yeah, that guy blew it wide open. That guy that spent years trying to put an end to online Anonymity, and who talked about how much he hates video games. Go him.
>mfw people shame themselves from appreciating the beauty of a healthy body
>mfw people try to convince me that a full breast or shapely ass isn't what a real woman has
>mfw people confuse celebrating strong feminine features as sexualising a character
they're like vegans
High class society. My great grandfather is one of the most well respected engineers on the west coast; even to this day long after his death I can get almost any job just by mentioning I'm related.
Being a free mason and a member of the Elk's lodge got my family a great number of connections so money hasn't ever really been much beyond a thing for us and I can tell you first hand that if you're wearing high heels in a non-formal situation you're a twat. There is limited exception to this rule, but being a fashion statement for "muh empowrment" isn't one of them.
Why are there so many sjw/white knight faggots in this thread?
>even if it WAS a credible source, they were talking about her SUIT.
You have failed to read literally one comma after the highlighted text. That's impressive.
I haven't played other m, but just looking at screenshots I can tell that you're completely full of shit. If you google "Samus Aran height" you get tons of pages all saying 6'3.
Now seriously, this time sauce or gtfo
>You mean all those suits that would never fit underneath the Powersuit
1. I disagree that it would never fit. Space tech, they could've said the armor's surprisingly roomy.
Dude you're going "that wouldn't fit inside" about a game where the hero ROLLS INTO A BALL.
2. Her ship crashed. She could have pulled a spare "normal suit" from the wreckage so that she wouldn't be left in her undies.
Yes, and you know where they got that "sauce"?
Which made shit up.
How tall is Samus? What are her dimensions? Does she have purple hair & green eyes, blonde hair & blue eyes, or does she dye her hair & wear X-Ray contacts? Was she Three when Ridley invaded her home? Somewhere between 4-6? Was Ridley even there?
No-one knows, you faggot, because Nintendo keep re-writing her.
THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER. Now go fuck off.
>Your overreaction proves
Seriously go back to either tumblr or reddit the choice is yours because you're both the same, you disgusting rat. You horrible sewer rat.
Yes it is because only cockmunching underageb& shitlicks use it. Go hammer your dick you whiff of feces.
>You have failed to read literally one comma after the highlighted text. That's impressive.
>WITHOUT HER SUIT
It seems you've failed to do so as well. Because it clears says WITHOUT HER SUIT. which is INCORRECT. That information is WITH her suit.
>I haven't played other m
Then you're opinion is invald you stupid shitter.
Of course you get a bunch of people saying 6'3" because that was the height of her in her suit for like EIGHT FUCKING GAMES BEFORE OTHER M.
So it makes sense that that information is still all over the internet.
There was plenty of information showing that she was slightly shorter than 6'3" (since that was her suit's height).
All three metroid primes, the metroid 2 manual and website (which is still up and you can look at right now), super metroid- the list goes on.
She WAS tall.
Now she is NOT.
>Which made shit up.
Damn right it did.
You know what else Nintendo Power made up?
Erm... her entire origin, basically. All that stuff about the statues being of space birds that raised her after being orphaned by space pirates... all that shit? Nintendo fucking Power.
So yeah, that's why people didn't shrug when Nintendo Power made up a height. Nintendo Power was calling the shots for a while because nobody else was bothering to.
I've seen a feminazi argue about this before. Apparently men use their muscles as a tool that's why it's OK for the media to portray them as such, when you portray a woman with an athletic body you're objectifying them since they're not nearly as strong as men and their sexy body can't be used as a tool of superiority
HERES THE FUCKING FACTS.
The Metroid 2 manual states Samus's suit is 6'2".
This is corroborated by All three Prime games, Zero Mission, Fusion, and (obviously) Metroid 2. Her height in those games reflects this information clearly. (Super metroid her height was slightly off-kilter by a few pixels, but it was accurate for the most part).
However, Other M was released and suddenly all the people she used to tower over (a normal GFed soldier being a good example) was taller than her, even with her suit (by a few inches), and once she takes the suit OFF, they beat her by at least a foot.
She was tall. Now she isn't. End of story.
Huh. That's retarded.
The real reason is that the "ideal male" drawn by guys looks very different from the "ideal male" drawn by women. What they want in a hot dude =/= our power fantasy.
If we had more prettyboy swimmers in games it'd solve a lot of problems.
yeah, double standards are always fun.
you know, for the life of me, i can't understand why a power fantasy is a bad thing, especially in a hobby that has a lot of escapism like video games. every time i hear someone say "power fantasy" it's usually with a negative connotation. just why? it's fake, get over it and enjoy the game
So should every female protagonist be ugly?
Just like you?
>Now she isn't
Well only if you believe Other M, which isn't even meant to be the last game chronologically. In Fusion she towered over the zombies and whatnot.
Other M... she shrunk for a bit. Space thing.
It actually comes from the Super Metroid Players Guide, and here is the original image from that book.
Guess where that data appears in. Two sections:
1. WITHOUT HER SUIT
2. PERSONAL DATA
Which means they clearly meant without the suit.
>Then you're opinion is invald you stupid shitter.
Except what you've said is clearly false. If you look at any screenshots you can tell that the characters do not tower over her like you say. I don't have to have played the game to see that.
>There's a difference between some whore getting naked and jumping in front of you while here tits flop around, and going to see a burlesque show, with costume and sultriness, and class
There isn't, really.
Literally the only difference is based in the fact that one allows you to PRETEND that you're not there for reasons of pure, animalistic sexuality, and the other one is just open and honest about it.
Nah. Newest game in real life supersedes all previous information.
For example, in Metal Gear, Dr.Clark doesn't transform from an old man into a hot chick. She was retconned to be a hot chick.
Same thing here. We're supposed to pretend she was short this whole time.
I'm HOPING it is un-retconned. But then again if I got what I want she would look like she does at the end of Fusion. So what can you do.
>wait, what? in no game they specify that she was raised by the chozo, and ridley ruined her childhood?
The games DO specify that, but it came up in Nintendo Power first. There was a Nintendo Power comic (done by a Japanese dude but only ever printed in America) that gave her an origin, and Nintendo Japan was like "The statues are based on space birds that raised her? Yeah, I guess that sounds okay. Sure, fuck it, why not? Not like anyone outside of America gives a damn"
Nice bait OP. I've seen you make a thread like this 4 or 5 times now and you always get a few hundred replies. Keep it up.
>Except what you've said is clearly false. If you look at any screenshots you can tell that the characters do not tower over her like you say. I don't have to have played the game to see that.
did you look at the screenshot I posted you dumb cunt.
further more NINTENDO FUCKING POWER is not a reputable source of information, and is completely obliterated by the OFFICAL METROID 2 MANUAL which states that IN HER SUIT she is 6'2".
So unless NP suddenly becomes reputable, AND her powersuit SHRINKS her, you're DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
BBW Pear Samus is the best Samus
This is not debatable.
>Women like buff men
Yes... but less buff than what guys draw as an ideal man.
Multiple large-scale surveys (mix of scientifically conducted and amateurish shit for magazines and whatnot, but with consistent results)
You ask a man and a woman to pick the ideal male figure, the women will pick a less muscular man than the guys.
Not a big deal.
>not liking Other M's version of ZSS means you're a SJW that thinks women in games should be ugly
No, I'm perfectly fine with things like the other game's endgame depictions of her, like Fusion's and Zero Mission's, but Other M's design looks like ass, even with Smash 4's improvements. That's why I'm happier with her alt costumes.
I hate how feminists impose double standards on the industry. Sexualising men? That's fine. Showing men get horrifically killed or implying they got gay raped? That fine. Showing an attractive woman? That's not fine, according to feminists and their white knight pawns.
People talking about her height, she's still tall as of Other M.
Yeah, the guys are taller than her, but that's because the game is shit. There is at least one scene (I think more, can't remember for sure) showing Samus towering over other characters, as she should be. It's just the soldiers that are taller than her, presumably because they failed to pay attention to detail. Not that it matters, since Other M conflicts with other canon details in other ways.
If anyone wants to provide an official source of any kind stating her height is different, go ahead.
except it fucking ISN'T because that would imply that that information was ever ACCEPTED INTO CANON which it fucking WASN'T.
just because a bunch of austistics decided that was their headcanon doesn't make it correct.
But most importantly I love that you ignored the rest of my post that proved you wrong.
ZSS was such a shit character choice for Brawl.
>let's base a character off that stealth section in Zero Mission, and then give her a bunch of stuff she never had
At least Captain Falcon and Fox try to reference their series. ZSS is basically just "ah shit there's nothing, better make some shit up." That's still not as bad as Wario though, who has like one special and Final Smash from Wario Ware and a smash attack from Wario Land.
That's nice, but that has nothing to do with this thread. People who don't like the Other M version of the Zero Suit have no problem with the skimpier and better looking versions of unsuited Samus in other games.
Agreed. Just look at Samus's appearance in Brawl here
She looks great there. She looks athletic, slightly muscular, as you'd expect from a seasoned bounty hunter. Not to mention she's got dat ass and dem thighs.
In Other M she's skinny and shapeless.
Thank god they didn't nerf her ass in Smash4.
Except less muscular does not mean not muscular. If you look at men in any medium targeted towards women you'll find >>264083775
Even if you were right, those mediums targeted towards females still impose an expected body image for males. Why is this considered different from sexualized video game characters in games targeted towards men?
>except it fucking ISN'T because that would imply that that information was ever ACCEPTED INTO CANON which it fucking WASN'T.
...She wasn't raised by Space Birds?
>You ignored the rest of my post
Yeah. Yeah, I just looked at the bit where you said Nintendo Power wasn't a reliable source for deciding Metroid canon, which is hilarious because her origin was made up in Nintendo Power. If Nintendo later disagreed with NP's height, that's their call. But people took NP's data seriously because Nintendo themselves were treating NP as a deciding factor in Metroid canon.
I'm out of this thread. If you are truly trying to argue that Samus's height wasn't fucked up in Other M you are the dumbest human being alive and may god have mercy on your sole you insufferable cunt.
Yeah, because she looks less sexy in them. It's all about changing games for you feminists, one piece of clothing at a time. You will never be happy until she never takes off the suit. I'm happy with her as she is, because I am not shoving my agenda into her games. You do not care about the games. You care about using them to create respect for feminists.
>>Except less muscular does not mean not muscular
Okay? I never ever EVER said "no muscles".
Most "shirtless guys" in games are designed by guys and thus are statistically likely to be more muscular than an average woman's ideal man. There's a very small but scientifically-validated kernel of truth in the claims that the guys in games are more of a male power fantasy than a female sex fantasy.
>Yeah, because she looks less sexy in them.
>liking Other M designs
>not thinking that the ZM, Super, or Fusion postmission outfits look better
Shit taste, opinions invalidated.
It was big in America and just America, so the Super Metroid staff were willing to embrace the Nintendo Power origin. If that's what Americans wanted in an origin, they could roll with it.
They didn't fuck up Samus's height, they fucked up other characters' heights.
At least Smash 4's ZSS doesn't look as bad as Other M's. It still incorporates Other M's design elements, but at least it isn't as bad looking as it was in Other M, where in a few cutscenes she looked like a drugged up post-childbirth woman (which sadly may have been intentional considering all the other heavy handed mother/baby imagery in the game).
Not seeing why you're worked up. This is something to file under "mildly interesting info" or maybe "something to keep in mind" if you do work with character designs for a living.
holy shit please go back to tumblr. The way you type is unbearable.
Please show me these studies anon because it sounds like you are full of shit. What kind of manlover doesn't appreciate Jojo-esque physiques? Not to mention that a man is mostly attractive for their personality and power.
>tfw good Metroid threads always die while these and waifu threads stay up
God I wish.
>"Was that your plan from the start Mai'q? this is your next line, yes?"
>WAS THAT YOUR PLAN FROM THE START MAI'Q?!
>Who believes a liar? Khajiit probably just tried to get you upset.
Samus approaches you with a pack of large condoms.
What do you do?
>Please show me these studies
Sure. The picture's from the Bluebella.com poll of 500 people in England. A good one is Cohn and Adler's 1992 study "Female and Male Perceptions of Ideal Body Shapes". Research has kinda moved past "is this true" and onto better questions like "So wait, why do Caucasian men want to be BUFF even though that's not what most women are really into, while in non-Caucasians it's less pronounced?"
not enough lood in this thread
>This is our smoking gun
>Not the guys fired for giving bad reviews
>Not the open admission by reviewers that the big companies can demand good scores
>Not the blatant advertising for products in so-called reviews, or the way reviewers accepted gifts for hashtags
>No, THIS email showing the reviewers being pussies about what to cover is our smoking gun that game journalism is corrupt
Could you upload the folder somewhere, please?
Captcha very related.
No picture posted there mate. Looked up the other study, seems as though they used silhouettes rather than actual people. That leaves a lot of shit out of the equation (confidence, stance, definition) and the silhouettes themselves looked more fat than muscular. Could be reading it wrong but it seems doubtable. Also last question there easily answered by the fact that the wealthy often have more free time and access to healthy materials, no wonder that it's predominantly Caucasians interested in fitness. I also feel as though you're leaving out the entire idea of confidence and the perception of power as huge aspects of what makes a man attractive and there is no doubt that being muscular makes for a more confident and powerful man. Recalled a bit I heard a while back that ovulating women as preferred muscular, manly men. Did a little google search, got positive confirmation.
>No picture posted there mate
And dude, women have different preferences in FACE depending on the time of the month, I'm definitely speaking in broad generalities here. Complete average.
Here's another source:
Not as famous as Jill's, but Sheva's was really nice too
The touchy feely rapey guy at the beginning was icing on the cake
Scrolled further up, did you mean >>264083789? I only just jumped in the conversation. That image is only a composite of attributes from confident and powerful looking men. Only really confirms what I was saying, power and confidence are what's attractive in a man. Really you could ignore confidence and just say power since confidence is only the manifestation of that personality wise. Another thing I'd like to see is whether those women were ovulating. Also in relation to the previous conversation, I don't think that image does away with the idea of romance covers being female sexual fantasies. Consider that that composite was made out to be the ideal by presumably normal women, not horny ones. When a woman's horny, what are they reaching for in terms of erotica? Also can be observed in porn made "for women". Those have more classically handsome and muscular men in them than porn made for men where the man pretends to be the dude doing the fucking. You get a better sample from facts than what a woman SAYS she wants. If I told you I only wanted peanut butter but every damn day of my love I stuffed myself full of jelly what are you going to believe?
Like it was so great.
There are a ton of Sheva buttshots. Made the game for me.
I don't give two shits about objectification of women, but samus is simply too light looking in brawl, she is supposed to be very strong and quite tall, she has no visible muscles at all when she should have abs and visible arm muscles, realistically, any female action hero should have muscles. Don't care about revealing costumes, just retarded character design from stupid japanese developers who treat their characters like their girlfriend and force design decisions.
That study's silhouettes look better than the other but still ignore pose and face. I understand their testing for physique but a man's muscles merely one part of a larger package. It all comes together. In addition it also does confirm that women on average want above average musculature, so still no real difference there. Also interesting is that they specified short-term partner. Combining that with what I said in >>264095526
and it would take more than what women say they like to convince me given that we've seen what they pick when given the option. in the real world.
You can still post booty if you like man.
>tfw us Shevabros don't have a loud enough voice in the Capcom community
>It will always be Jill/Claire/Ada
>why do Caucasian men want to be BUFF even though that's not what most women are really into
faces aside, maybe it's because that's an image for ants, but, those two bodies look nearly identical.
No, the disparity between the masculine suit and the feminine operatior has always been a part of her character. You're always supposed to go, "Wait, I thought there would be a man in there."
If you really can't stand the site of a woman, pick the power suit.
Well I see some pretty clear differences. Personally I think the silhouette studies are better evidence (they've been replicated a couple times), but that poll bluebella did on 500 Brits provided a more lolworthy image.
>argues an objective fact
>attempts to reinforce point with a different ass
>that ass is badly shopped
she could be a complete ripoff of ripley, and it would be fine, I mean halo CE has most of it's art design, characters and themes stolen from alien as well, and it's a great game