I had a name
My father called me Blues
If I remember right, in the US cartoon he was pretty much completely built by WIly so he was evil. But in the games he's more of an anti-hero. Or just a hero that doesn't want to be in the spotlight.
His core was fucked up because he was a prototype, and because of that it gave him freewill. When Light tried to replace it, Proto thought it would take away his free will so he ran away. Eventually it fucked his body up really bad and Wily repaired him. So that's why he worked for Wily as Breakman for a couple of games.
But we're discussing the games too.
I wouldn't mind that. But really Bass was underutilized to begin with. He never went anywhere beyond "Bad Mega Man who occasionally tells Wily to eat shit"
He was basically just Break Man, but for future games so Protoman could be a hero.
Anybody who kicks Sonic in the stomach is okay in my book.
holy shit the protomen are going to do ANOTHER unrelated cover album AGAIN instead of act 3, this shit is hilarious
Just how cringeworthy was that crossover, anyway? I didn't read any of the comics even though I think I have some when I ordered the Mega Buster USB stick from Capcom last year.
>The Megas mentioned in the past they want to do a Mega Man X album
>Protomen don't really give a shit about doing Act 3
>Light accidentally causes massive wars and catastrophes after his death
>Wily accidentally saves the world through Zero
Mega Man has some fucked up karma when you think about it.
What color pallet swaps do you guys hope Mega gets in Smash 4?
Im really hoping for a quick man color pallet and a Protoman alt skin
Sometimes I want to see just how things went to shit so badly, and what happened to Mega Man and all the others.
But then I think about it and decide it's best to just not ever see it.
Except that if he didn't build robots then Cain wouldn't have made the Maverick fucks who eventually killed at least 3/4ths of the human population and lead to Copy X fucking shit up even further.
Cain was an archeologist, not a robotist or a programmer. Guy had no fucking idea what he was doing.
It'd be like a pretty smart carpenter deciding to try to make paintings based on the works of Michelangelo.
>if he hadn't have made X then someone else wouldn't have tried to copy it and failed horribly!
How is that Light's fault again? If anything, his work through X is what saved the world countless times again.
WHAT THE FUCK
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
YOU'D BETTER BE PULLING MY FUCKING CHAIN
Reploids were inherently flawed copies of X, yeah, but you can still lay the blame at Wily's feet for all that shit because the Zero virus that he created was the start of the Mavericks.
Hell, he even made Sigma another body in one of the middle Xs but that was never touched on again.
I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING
YEAH I KNOW REDDIT
>mfw we'll get three megas albums before act 3
fine with this
Yeah, and X never had a problem. You can't blame him for the Reploids. They're just shitty copies that Cain built with only an incomplete understanding of X's systems.
Reminder to all, that Shadowman is the best robot of all. ALL TIME!
That's a shitty comparison. Michelangelo was a sculptor by passion and practice. He considered painting a bastard's form of artistry. He only took it up to prove he was a better at it than Da Vinci, who was getting more reknown than him.
OH MY FUCKING GOD
I AM SO GODDAMN ANGRY RIGHT NOW
HOPE RIDES ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNEE
How exactly is this in any way different? Mechanaloids and Robot Masters are susceptible to the Maverick Virus and its precursors.
Tell me right now how anything would have turned out better if the Maverick Virus had an outbreak and there were simply more prevelant than in MM10, and no one had already figured out a cure?
Exactly. And if X never got the chip then Cain probably wouldn't have come as close to making those shitty flawed copies.
Original Mega Man and Protoman had 'free will' to the degree that they had to follow whatever their programming told them to do and anything that didn't step over those bounds.
X has entire free will. Meaning he can tell any human to fuck off if he wanted.
For Light, yeah. But if he hadn't had researched and developed the chip then none of that shit would have gone down.
No they don't.
Source; DOCTOR FUCKING LIGHT
They have wills, they make their own choices. But only within the confines of their program. Even if that is suitably humanlike; it's not free will.
I must say, you have good taste posting my favorite MM8 robot master. In the end, he can't compare to that, which is Shadowman.
They can make decisions on their own, but their moral compasses are pre-programmed. Rock will always choose to be the hero, how he saves the day is up to him, but he has no choice but to decide to save it.
>>Exactly. And if X never got the chip then Cain probably wouldn't have come as close to making those shitty flawed copies.
That's on Cain because he fucked up on reverse-engineering X. The fault wouldn't lie with Light.
Why the fuck would you give a robot free will after having an extensive track record of them fucking up humanity and ruining millions of lives?
That's irresponsible to begin with.
We will agree to disagree then, but i will concede that Shadowman.exe is the best navi.
No, Protoman does have free will due to his defective reactor. Even after Wily fixed it, he let him keep it for whatever reason. Rock was built without any defects, so he has no free will.
I think Sakurai is the first developer to show that in a neat way. Mega Man's deadpan expression in Smash really drives home that he's a robot, and not an feeling and thinking machine like X.
Quantum processes are "random", anon, which would mean the universe isn't deterministic.
It hasn't been PROVED to be non-deterministic, maybe it's just unpredictable, but it's literally unprovable so there's no easy answer to Free Will vs Determinism.
And it matters a lot, or people wouldn't care so much.
>and not an feeling and thinking machine
but mega can feel and think
just not on the same level as other robots
He still can feel emotions, but only ones that he is programmed to feel
The quantum world may be random, but that only serves to provide inputs for the deterministic larger level physics, the universe is still governed by rules, the only randomness in the universe is what exactly the variables are.
Because Light was a hopeless optimist, and he genuinely thought robots could coexist with humans and make the world a better place.
It might be irresponsible, yeah, but I can't fault him for hoping for the best in spite of what he's seen. If anything the fact it always fucks up makes me think the world of Mega Man is pretty dark.
Wrong again. That award goes to Heatman.exe
>deterministic larger level physics
Larger level physics are literally quantum physics at a larger scale, anon. The only reason is that the probabilities quickly become irrelevant (but don't disappear) as the scale grows and the scenarios get more complex.
There's free will if consciousness has ANY quantum element that "we" have power over. But that would basically mean we have a soul.
I agree with you, but Light still has some retard moments.
Making Gamma being one off the top of my head. Not only did he want to build a giant robot for world peace, he also decided to forgive Wily and let him work on it with him.
>Light sealed and tested X for 30 years to make sure he wasn't making a huge mistake.
And then when X showed up Cain made more Reploids based off of him and the world was fucked.
Why? Because Light was a naive dipshit.
I'VE HAD ALL I CAN TAKE
I THINK IT'S TIME
I GO MY SEPARATE WAYS
If you want to go with cute, then stick with Toadman.exe.
>Cain is a hack and can't into robots
>"It's all Light's fault!"
This is how stupid you sound.
If you want cute, look no further than the classic series.
Again, how is that Light's fault? Cain dug up X. Cain tried to reverse-engineering him without getting proper experts. Even then, wasn't it implied that no one in that age was on Light's level?
Light was naive, but you can't blame him for the Reploids. That's entirely on Cain. You're basically saying that the guy who invented the wheel is to blame for the douchebag later on who fucks up remaking the wheel and turns it into a boulder that crushes a village.
You are indeed a worthy opponent anon, i shall leave you with the second best navi and await our next battle.
Except Light's creation, X, never went wild. As a matter of fact X was a devout pacifist. It was Cain who made shoddy copies of X but didn't do any testing on them whatsoever. That's not Light's fault.
Protoman left Dr Light's lab because he was scared and wanted to preserve his own wellbeing. Despite it leading to his powerdown. Protoman joined Dr Wily's asteroid assault team because it suited his interests to meet his younger brother he'd only just heard of in combat.
He decided to help aforementioned younger brother because it suited his interests. Kinship or nepotism couldn't have been a directive before Light considered making other Robot Masters.
Yet Protoman resisted an offer to be repaired by Dr Light some time later, because he felt obligated to his suffering, then later acquiesced at the behest of Mega Man.
That despite the fact both of them once fought each other just for the sake of the fight.
Mega Man isn't an automaton either. He does shit because he wants to. He lives at Dr Light's house with him and Roll because he wants to, despite being given a chance to travel space and spread justice the universe over.
Mega Man requested to change his occupation from "Lab assistant" to "Super Fighting Robot".
He actually does call Wily out on his bullshit fake apologies on repeat occasions.
However has disobeyed orders. Going after Dr Wily despite Dr Light begging him not to, and yet willfully walked into a trap with a fake Light, aware of it, just because he was unwilling to take the risk it might not be.
Yet NONE OF THAT is proof of free will. That's just proof they're both operationally sentient. Which just means they can react to stimulation.
Let me hold your hands as I walk you through this.
Look both ways, you stupid shits.
Light made the free will chip for X.
Light did this KNOWING that robots have a long history of being complete fuckups, especially if THEY AREN'T MADE BY HIM.
Despite knowing full and well people will most likely attempt to copy this technology (since everyone does it when something new comes out), he does it anyway because 'muh son'.
Mr. Fuckup #2 comes along and makes piss-poor copies of X's chip.
They both are massive fuckups and have ruined the future. Light moreso than Cain because he has dealt with the shit over and over and over and over again, knowing very well the consequences of his actions while Cain was just hopeful that he knew more than an irrelevant idiot.
This is all Light's fault, because if he had not even invented the chip, Cain wouldn't have gotten the inspiration to make his own and the Mavericks wouldn't have gone wild.
Good intentions or not, this all stems from Dr. Light making it.
even then, Wily was not able to fix it since the problem turned out not to be the reactor that was faulty but his energy system in general. so now he has an unstable nuclear reactor.
YOU HAD ONE JOB WILY
Forgive me, my X lore is rusty, but weren't the reploids perfectly fine? It was Wily's virus that F*cked them up wasn't it? (At least until X8, but that was by the reploid's own volitions)
No. His broken reactor didn't give him free will or otherwise change what he was capable of.
What it was however, was the germ from which he made his decision to vacate his home, and get into every other circumstance. The whole circumstance being supposedly solved simply by giving Rock a sister.
This is common sense.
Whenever someone invents a new machine or tool, someone will copy its design and modify it to their own ends.
It was the free will chip that ensured they could kill people freely and step out of bounds of what their programming would have restricted otherwise.
I'll accept that Light is naive, but you're just moving the burden of guilt. Light had no idea that there would not be anyone in the future capable of doing jack with his technology. He had no idea that the guy who would find X would be some fucking archeologist. And there'd be no way for him to know that someone unqualified would try to copy his technology.
Light did the work to make sure X wouldn't fuck up. If you build a computer, and then someone else tries to build a computer based off of yours and gets electrocuted because they fucked it up, is that your fault? No. It's their fault because they fucked it up. Light's responsibility for the Mavericks begins and ends with X. Everything else is on Cain and Wily.
If I remember right, Wily is kind of shit with robotic hardware. He was the programming genius. So it's believable that if Protoman's entire energy system is fucked, he wouldn't be able to fix it. All he really did was slap a bandaid on it. It was still enough to earn Proto's gratitude and get him to work for him as Breakman.
It's his fault for inventing something like that in the first place when there was no good that could have come from making something so dangerous.
X wouldn't have been needed if his chip wasn't created. Simple as that.
Other way around. Light is godlike with software while Wily is excellent with hardware. Which is why Light was able to create his Super Fighting Robot long before Wily was able to repeat Light's success.
What >>261878385 was saying. Sigma was the leader of the maverick hunters, but then they ran into Zero. Zero was the one who infected Sigma, who I think was the first reploid Cain built modeled on X. The virus changed in Sigma to become the Sigma Virus, which is a different and more powerful virus than the Maverick.
I think Sigma/Zero virus causes the maverick virus though.
Major headcanon here:
Protoman was thankful, but quickly realized Wily was insane and vowed to stop him while pretending to aid him. He was still bitter toward light and chose not to tell him, but he was curious as to the potential of his "replacement" and so tested his skills when he could, it helped that these fights helped him sell his cover.
Hard Man wasn't doing shit either. He was retired. Really all of the robot masters in HR-R didn't ask for it.
I think it made it more interesting. Mega man talks about fighitng for peace and justice, and his conflicted feeling. But when you see him from the point of view of the RMs, here's a relentless murder machine. Hell, Quickman just calls him Death.
As an aside; I'd like to mention the Wheel is much much more recent a development than you seem to think it is.
The wheel is newer than writing, distillation, shipwrighting, permanent housing, coins, monotheism, the pyramids, crop rotation, bronze, swords, antibiotics, and the twogirlthreeway.
Jesus FUCK do you even hear yourself? Ok fine then. Henry Ford is the greatest villain in the world since his invention led to untold deaths and opened the floodgates for several tragedies and accidents. The Wright Brothers are also indirectly responsible for 9/11. The first men who began the bronze age is also indirectly responsible for the murder of everyone killed with a metallic thing. Except because that's fucking stupid. Light's invention worked. Light's invention worked well. It did EXACTLY what it was intended to do. Dr. Cain attempted to repeat Light's success and fucked up. So Dr. Cain is the one who fucked up and can be blamed for it. Stop being stupid.
Yeah, Quick and the Blue was the one that really got me into the Megas in the first place, and it was pretty fucking heavy.
But in HR:R atleast Hardman went out the way he wanted to, even had a crowd begging him not to, but Needle Man was actually better off doing Suicide by Mega and well, Shadow was all sorts of fucked up.
The only downside of that album was no Wily song, the two we got were god tier, and I would have liked to hear what they would have done with him once Gamma was destroyed.
>no good that could have come from that
That's not how Light saw it. He made X for the same reason he made Blues, Rock and Roll. He wanted to make robots that could live with humans and help them. He created X to be someone that could help the entire world move into a golden age and carry his dream far beyond a human's lifespan, if that's what he chose to do.
It's like deciding to not make the lightbulb because someone later on may make the electric chair. But we're also forgetting that X is equipped with weaponry, and the capsules throughout the games. Light was an optimist, but he wasn't a complete idiot. He had fail safes in the event something went to shit, which it did.
Doc Robot could have worked a bit in this, what with the Gunman going after the Gemineye could have been him, but in the end since there was no mention of him I have to assume that he doesn't exist in this telling of the story
>tfw you're in the ice section of the game
I can tell I'm going to hate this part, just like the fucking Waterworks from 1.
This is a damn fine game, but I still think I like 1 more at this point.
They really did nerf a ton of stuff from 1 though. Stronger Cannons do a lot less and seem to come later in the game.
Yeah I would have liked another Wily song too, but they decided to give more of the spotlight to Proto Man. Which I'm fine with, I'm Not The Breakman was amazing. At least they didn't make the entire damn album on Proto. Probably because Protomen already have him damn well covered.
He's powerful but unstable, and Mega Man is already able to beat enemies far stronger than he is. Proto Man really just wants to be left alone, but he can't help helping his little brother.
Have some OC, /v/
fuck you for making me spend 30 minutes on this shit
And don't forget Megatainment had Elecman who was executed during a live broadcast.
This was some pretty dark shit when you hear about it from the Robot Masters side. Except for Bomb Man, he's a dick.
>Wily is excellent with hardware
That's demonstrably false. Wily has stolen Light's robots and designs repeatedly. In the case of Bass he made a complete schematic copy of Mega Man to use his upgrades. Because he specifically couldn't conceive of anything that could counteract the power adapter.
At best Wily is highly efficient at reprogramming, proficient enough at engineering to reproduce much of anything, and lucky enough to have resources to perform the former, and superpowerful power sources to reverse engineer drop in his lap.
I just assumed that voice was Wily's programming, telling Needle to be a killer.
With the gunman in Gemineye, I always thought it was just Mega Man. I might be wrong on that one.
While it's been five years since Act II, they've been on tour and they've been doing original songs and covers, too. Act III is gonna be good, but I feel like they're pretty burned out. Raul Panther released a quick vine of him doing a little chord on a guitar, so it's definitely in the works,
I want to be disappointed, but that sounds cool. As long as they do an X album in the future. I think they said they won't do an album for MM4 or 5 though.
Great fail safes. Armor upgrades sure are nice now that humanity is entirely fucked and X is dead.
Cars and sentient robots are different, believe it or not.
People who operate cars get killed, while robots who act on their own free will kill humans.
Henry Ford invented a machine based off of the carriage without the need of horses. Light created a chip that gave robots free will when they didn't need it.
Light had no good reason to create it, and he was well aware of how unstable robots and inventors with ambition were.
With Magnet Man, I think he was doing his own thing. Mega Man just came down on him like a ton of bricks because he was a robot built by Wily. What he had been doing, and his relationship with Roll didn't matter.
That's just what I picked up on it. Roll telling him her brother wanted him dead was her answer. So I thought that's what it was implied. She left because Rock wanted him dead, and it wasn't that he wanted him dead because he was with Roll. It's still cold as fuck
Some of the robot masters in The Megas seem to have free will, why did Rock kill Magnet Man, for example? What was the point?
And X did exactly that. He assisted humans at every turn. He did exactly what he was built for. Dr. Cain said "shit man I bet I could do that" but fucked it up. Dr. Light's proof of concept did work. But Dr. Cain did not put the same effort into his derivatives. You're basically ignoring Dr. Cain building a swingset but not reading the fucking manual and coming up with a bunch of "spare pieces" at the end of the project. And then when little Sally Sue breaks her arm because the thing broke you say that Light is indirectly responsible.
First game is pretty hard, don't get discouraged if you can't do it.
Fireman.exe can be tough. Make sure to get any aqua chips you can get (I seem to think you can buy Aquaswords at that point, but it's been forever and I don't remember)
The difficulty DROPS like a rock after Fireman.exe in Network Transmission.
>this fucking hivemind
This picture just ruined Pathologic's enemy design for me
>First game is pretty hard, don't get discouraged if you can't do it.
I can't get past Iceman's stage. Nor can I beat Fireman.
I want to just move on to Megaman 2 but my pride won't let me. I've beaten every other robot master. Though I had to use Cutman's weapon against ElecMan. He does way too much damage to risk using the buster.
I'm weird. I think 1 is easier than 2. I guess it must be the last section with the Alien and all the Wilys. That gives me trouble, whereas I can speedrun MM1.
I'd say he should go in chronological order. But he can play 2-1-3 just as well and then go on with the rest.
well, I picked cutman, and climbing up the tower just seemed to fuck me over hard.
and I guess it didn't hit me to take my time some more, I was just trying to figure out the game.
>The difficulty DROPS like a rock after Fireman.exe in Network Transmission
that might be a good thing for me, because fireman just fucks me over and over, I get that I can slide under the fire, it's just that the timing is too exact and that shit hurts
also the guard chip in that game is fucking laughable.
I apologize but that's just my take on it. There's no actual statement saying he had his brains blown out, but from the way he's giving his speech and then at the end his lyrics cut off, the music fizzles out into static, and suddenly you hear some generic TV sounds and music it makes it seem like he hijacked a TV signal trying to get his words out like some robotic Max Headroom but Megaman was having none of that shit.
I think Mega Man came after them all for just reason: They were built by Wily. So he just assumed they were out to get him and destroy humans. After two games he stopped asking questions and just started shooting everything.
>mfw i like the protomen and the megas
>mfw on /v/ you're not allowed to like two similar things
NO IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
I MIGHT KILL MYSELF BEFORE THEN
Ice Man and Fire Man do pretty much require rote memorization. But nothing can beat the relief when you past those areas. And I think both RMs are easy.
Hell, Ice Man is always the first guy I go for.
Reploids were given free will, and some were criminals. This was inevitable without Light's extreme testing and care put into their designs. Cain's crappy copying made them susceptible to viruses and glitchy.
But it didn't ruin the world. Wily's Maverick Virus was the biggest obstacle to Reploids and humans living in peace, and despite several apocalyptic plans caused by him infecting Sigma, his influence still eventually ended. From Mega Man Zero on, all the problems are caused by Weil, and by ZX Reploids and Humans have actually become BETTER than the world Light had imagined. Light didn't do much villainous at all.
But Elecman was rallying against robot slavery/human cruelty, Megaman wouldn't have killed him because he wasn't even opposing him. I always assumed it was "I'll send the spark of war along the wire", meaning that the end was actually Elecman frying the circuits of whatever was recording it and the sounds after were just the signal fizzling out.
>tfw the only reason you bother getting the Hadoken is for that spider boss
I don't got time for spiders. I have a world to save and I must kill fast.
Does it even work against Sigma?
>But Elecman was rallying against robot slavery/human cruelty
And Wily was the one that gave him that idea. Rock took him down because he and the rest of the robots sided with Wily.
>bitches think little mac and samus is cuter than mega man and samus sharing their suffering
Would Wily really be that sly? In Protomen universe, Wily is a conniving bastard who's always one step ahead of Light. But Megas universe... not so sure.
Unless you're trying to tell me that they were rallying against Megaman and for Wily, which doesn't make any sense given the arguments presented.
I think that's how he sees himself. He has a lot of doubt and questions himself and what he's doing, but when it's time to go do it he puts it aside and becomes some kind of unstoppable murder machine who doesn't give a fuck what you have to say or what your story is.
disregard that i suck cocks
going over this thread i realise im more tired than i though
and that i was wrong
and that the protomen need to get their shit together and finish act 3 for fucks sake
He says in his song that they joined him willingly
Their eyes were opened easily. – Rise up my sons
It was like flipping a switch. – There is much be done.
They were more than happy to join me. – This is final stage.
Because, they believe. – Lead us into a new age.
That's the thing, Wily isn't exactly sly, he's just dogmatic in his belief that this really IS the answer to the problems the world faces now, getting run by Robots.
So Wily probably instilled a almost exact copy of his beliefs just to proslytize and see if he can drum up support, but by the time of Gamma Unchained it seems like he didn't get anything.
This Wily is really sad compared to Protos.
I swear to God, I am going to get so many fucking Lance chips for this cunt one day.
They say this but all the robot masters have shown not only emotion(Which could be simulated) But they have the ability to see their own actions for what they are and resist their programming to an extent.
Ordered this bad boy new. I guess people didn't think it was hot shit.
So just how 'bad' was X3 on the Playstation?
Post comparisons to the SNES version if you got em.
>It was like flipping a switch
I thought it was more or less implied, not only in the game but in the song.
>You were torn between the hero and your fear
Sort of like Mega Man was rummaging through the wreckage while everything is collapsing around him, gets knocked out and Protoman drags him out
Wasn't Make Your Choice and I Refuse To Believe after Gamma Unchained? That's what I assumed at least. They're going back and forth over whether or not to kill Wily, so I assume he survived after Gamma is destroyed.
Protomen's megaman/protoman fucked up by not planning any of their shit and just charging into the streets shooting shit up, then expecting hapless bystanders who have already grown up living in fear to throw their lives away.
It's a little more understandable during the standoff but otherwise if you're going to get groceries and some killer robot starts blowing up all the security bots nearby, you aren't gonna give your life to help it especially when it starts losing.
3D RPG. No party members, just Mega Man. It's a remake of the first game. As you go through expanded stages which are now regions, you get XP to spend on your Mega Buster. When you beat a RM you acquire their ability too, and can upgrade it as you get more XP.
That's because Protomen is just a simplified 1984 musical. The plot sucks and the characters do stupid things.
I do like their songs though, and Act 2 wasn't as bad because they stepped away from that idea.
Look no further than megaman 8bit battle arena deathmatch.
They cannot possibly make a modern fps that could be more fun than that. Especially shit like the justified classes mod that just has an absolute treasure trove of fun and unique shit that no fps have really used outside of a very few gimmicks.
SAY GOODBYE TO THE LIGHT THE DARKNESS GROWS
I'M IN LEAGUE WITH THE SHADOW
I CAN FEEL THE GOOD IN ME IS DYING SLOW
TURNING OFF THE SUN
RUNNING THROUGH THE NIGHT
I AM THE KNIFE IN THE GUNFIGHT
EVIL LEFT ITS MARK
SO TELL ME
ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK
>Protomen's megaman/protoman fucked up by not planning any of their shit and just charging into the streets shooting shit up, then expecting hapless bystanders who have already grown up living in fear to throw their lives
The point of The Protomen is that Bystander's Apathy is bad and you should help heroes when you can.
It's not even "hurr durr turn into a hero and go fight people" the opera is a lesson for the bystanders, not the heroes.
Why does Raul still speak like shit? I can't understand him 90% of the time, it sucks. I still don't know most of the lyrics. The Megas is extremely easy to understand though.
Justified classes is my favorite mode hands down.
YD classes is alright but duo is absolute shit in comparison to justified's. Right now it's only real advantage is having honey woman.
This is the end my friend
This is the end but I’ll be back again
When the time is right…
I return to help burn
Your people’s future down
You destroyed my children
You forced my retribution
The battle is ending
True war is just beginning!
I’ll learn from this disaster
I’ll build eight robot masters…
They lost me
Made you from parts of me
If you're the one, my father's son,
Then what am I supposed to be?
What am I supposed to be?
(this has become megas lyrics appreciation thread)
Then you won't see anything worth looking at.
Eh it's a little clearer but I find it a lot duller, I can remember a lot of lyrics from protomen stuff but megas just sort of melts together. Into noise. Someone recommended history repeating but I wasn't at all impressed and kinda dropped them after that.
>people seriously think Act III isn't coming out as soon as the Act II music videos are finished
>people seriously believe there aren't prototypes for a Broadway script of at least Act II
>People seriously believe we will never get Wood Vendetta
It's just a shiggy to the right...
>Armored Armadillo can block shots against him, including what he's weak against
>That complete feeling of disgust in the pit of your stomach like, "How dare he?"
>winning matches with gutsman/hardman
He has stolen, true, but he also built some of the strongest robot masters from spare parts on his own and even innovated the world of robotics through his spite.
Bubbleman, Flashman, Quickman, Metalman, Woodman, and Heatman were all huge steps in robotics technology. Hell Flashman is the ONLY robot master in canon that could completely stop time.
History Repeating: Red is the closest any Megas album comes to legitimate songwriting instead of elementary school anthemic CAN YOU FEEEEEEEL THA FIIIURGGGGH crap.
It's still only pretty good at best. Haystack Principle and I'm Not the Breakman are far and away the best songs. Another Machine/Fly On a Dog remix is passable, as is GemInEye.
Breaking Out = 9
The Fall = 8
Light Up The Night = 10
Keep Quiet = 10
How The World Fell Under Darkness = shit
Give Us The Rope = shit
he State Vs. Thomas Light = shit
The Hounds = 9
The Good Doctor = 6
Intermission = shit
Here Comes The Arm = 6
It's got some good songs but HR is just constant 9s
What do you guys think about Command Mission?
I think it was pretty fun if short. The way you unlocked stuff by fixing up broken Mavericks and sending them to find stuff for you was pretty cool I though.
Only thing the game really needs is a forced random mode.
I am fucking sick of faggots maining a particular character.
It wouldn't be as much of a problem if there was a larger player base. I can't sell mm8bbad hard enough but not enough people bite.
>mfw it took me a few listens to realize it's Snake Man's song
>mfw he's being a Snake in the biblical sense
The only megaman game I played growing up was xtreme 2 for gamebabby, it was alright.
Recently played 3,4,x for the first time and they were alright. I enjoyed them but my tits weren't set ablaze either. I recently downloaded battle network but I haven't started on that. Any recommendations or warnings before I dedicate time to it?
I'm on the fence about that.
On the one hand it ensures there's variety.
On the other, wins are almost determined to be random at that point since it isn't too balanced.
I'll at least swap between 3 mains that play differently.
But they were, and I love instrumental music
BN1 is aged as shit but the combat is so refreshingly original that I still got through it.
Be careful with burning out by jumping right into 2. Give it some time between games.
They're just meh to me. I can't stomach that cheesy anthemic crap, especially not when the competition is an operatic 3-part story with plotlines and some small degree of subtlety and nuance to it. Even if all that nuance is in the liner notes, it's a lot more than Megas ever had.
And really what little nuance Megas had only exists because Protoman's collective fan headcanon makes him a more nuanced character. So they've literally only got Needleman. Shadowman was also a little interesting, but really nothing the Megas do holds my attention.
It's more accurate than you'd think actually.
Check out this thread
Then read these lyrics
>The people have not stirred
>We are abandoned by those who still live in fear.
>The people have not heard.
>Yet we will will not abandon those who cannot hear.
A big part of the revolution in the Les Mis musical is how the people won't do shit and almost everybody is who joins the revolution fucking dies.
>mfw i finally figured out how kill Web Spider in x4
It can be tricky to get the hang of if you're used to other megaman games, but it's worth playing, just don't forget to save often untill you know what you're doing.
>A big part of the revolution in the Les Mis musical
The Les Mis musical had fuckall to do with anything in the actual story aside from the general plot outline. Kindly stop breathing out of your mouth mate.
You can get some pretty bitching Chips by fighting upgraded Mettaurs in the doghouse outside your house. If you don't get any, you probably need to raise your end of fight battle ranking.
You'll know what this means when you start playing the game. BN1 is the easiest out of all the games (your health regenerates fully when you finish a battle whereas they drop that for 2 and the rest of the games) so you'll be fine.
liked that it was able to reuse enemies that never get reused as random enemies.
Also it's nice to look at. But I can't really say I like the RPG itself.
HE SAID TO ME
THAT I WOULD BE
THAT I WOULD BE THE LIGHT WHEN THEY COULDN'T SEE
THAT WHAT THEY NEED
IS A MACHINE
THAT WOULD GIVE THEM HOPE THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FREE
AND WHEN THEY FELL
STILL HE WOULD STAND
A SAVIOR BUILT BY HUMAN HAAAAAAAANDS
I had a name my father called me shiggy
he tore my heart from my chest to give to diggy
I'm not broken I sure hope you
guuuuyss don't doo thiss
MY CIRCUITS SLOW
I'M NOT SCARED ANYMORE
THIS IS THE MOMEMT THAT WE HAVE BEEN CREATED FOR
I was kinda devastated when I saw footage of mm8 and heard grenademan/largericeman/tenguman's voices.
They were so horribly awful.
Inafune is a hack who has been riding off the glamor of being put on an art team after a mascot was already designed for several decades. Nothing he says about anything is valid, even the Zero series since Inti Creates did all the work on that.
ITT: A faggot who obviously hasn't hit the top
QUICK ON THE DRAW
IN THIS TOWN
I AM THE LAW
IS WHAT THEY SAY TRUE
DOES DEATH WEAR BLUE
CAN HE FAAAAAALL?
>retards ITT thinking Robot Masters had free will and that Mega Man was actually more than a robot programmed to do things
The American translation of Mega Man Seven was edited you fucksticks.
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER HERO
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE
Would you rather have a 14-part epic narrative about Light's third robot, Roll, influenced by Emily, and built as a savior to the streets of the city. Unable to fight against Wily, she argues with Light over the subject before heading to the outskirts of the city to find Megaman once again. When he refuses to come back, Roll decides to try for the third time to combat Wily, and she's defeated in short time similar to Protoman. However, as Wily comes out to inspect the job done by his robots, Megaman shows up to save the goddamn day, which he manages to do in a sense by saving Roll before getting gunned down. At which point, Light shows up, has one last talk with his son before taking his gun and standing to Wily face to face as we get an amazing final climax of Light and Wily facing off after all these years, eventually ending with Wily's neck in Light's hands. Roll tries to stop Light, but she's unable, as Light breaks down over Wily's body and weeps for the friend, the lover, the sons, and the city he's lost.
Or Act III is going to be 5 songs, all from Dr. Wily, about him going down the street to the grocery store to pick up white bread and eggs.
WHICH IS IT?
> He died and he did not feel
> He didn't wait for, a choice to be made, he's not afraid his purpose will be taken away
> He didn't side with me so I could show him the way
Just getting into starforce. I own and have 100%ed every version of BN.
What versions of SF should I pickup? I noticed there are three different versions of 1. Advice would be appreciated
Pic unrelated, a massive shitstain
>they can't stop losing
>mfw I can't stop grooving
>wanting Roll to be a part of the Protomen universe
No. It just doesn't work at all. She had no real purpose in the games other than being a cutesy mascot and suddenly turning her into a badass makes no sense. New original character please so I don't have to hear Gambler try to sing as a toddler.
From a look/design standpoint, best Navi goes to Laserman
YOU CAN SAVE US
YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE
Protomen give no fucks about canon, Roll's just gonna be a guardian walking around town, probably like 17 or something. An OC taking such a lead role (sorry) in the story would be shit. They managed to pull off Joe, but he was special. That's something where you can't repeat the spot, and an OC would just be a carbon copy of Joe with tits thirty years later.
I'd rather it be about Roll being created to bring Rock back. He comes back and gay shit about family with Light, Light dies, Rock kills the shit out of Wily and frees the city against the faggots will.
>Or Act III is going to be 5 songs, all from Dr. Wily, about him going down the street to the grocery store to pick up white bread and eggs.
I WILL NOT FIGHT YOU (YOU HAVE NO CHOICE)
I'LL STAND BESIDE YOU (I STAND ALONE)
YOU'RE STILL THEIR HERO (THEN THEY ARE FOOLS)
THIS CAN NOT BE THE ONLY WAY
>no mention of Mega Ran
Come the fuck ON, guys. Him and the Megas combined to make the best song
Also acoustic because both are great
Or maybe they could
make a new character
like they did for pretty much everyone in Act II, because they had nothing to do with the Act I characters at all
Hell just make her a new freedom fighter that instead of getting slammed and blowing shit up like Joe, actually puts together a resistance inspired by Protoman's words during The Stand.
I spoke with the band when they were playing Warped Tour. At their booth signing, they said their next big Nashville show they were showing their second Act III song, the Act II music videos are out of their hands now and in editing from a higher department, and after this cover album they're focusing on recording Act III instead of touring.
Let's say for bullshit reasons you get to organise a cross-over single.
The Megas will cover one Protomen song of your choice
And the Protomen will cover one Megas song of your choie
What is it?
>All this best netnavi talk
>no mention of edgemaster.exe
In all seriousness though, I love the plot behind Bass. The classic AI turns against creators after being betrayed
>Duane and BrandO will never be a thing again
HEY BRO PROTOMAN HERE SO WHAT'S UP
I GOT EIGHT OF MY BUDDIES BUILT FOR MESSIN YOU UP
BUT WHO CARES!?
I WISH I DID, BUT
I'M JUST NOT BUILT FOR THAT BRO
ANYWAYS I GOTTA FLY
SO GET READY TO GO
Probably two of my favorite megaman tracks and they aren't from either.
Galaxy man's song is so damned happy.
The Megas do The Will of One. I think in terms of style it fits them the closest, and probably fits best into their vocal range.
The Protomen do What Have You Done for the same reasons, and having them do something from History Repeating: Red would be too easy.
There is only thing I need to know from all of you
ARE YOU READY FOR YOUR FINAL JOURNEY?
I'd want to see the Stand done by the Megas, and I Refuse (To Believe) by the Protomen. [Spoiler]I consider that song to be what should have been Megaman's proper response to Protoman in the Stand. Sorta like a good alt end.[/spoiler]
Megas cover The Sons of Fate. While short, the two voices they have are prominent enough to convey a decent level of emotion, plus I think it could turn out really well.
Protomen should cover Harder than Steel, no contest. It fits their style of music and covers far too well.
Just gonna post some other tracks I really like.
Well ahm commin ta getchu, fuggerrrr!
HEY THERE FREAK
THESE FREAKIN' WOODS ARE MINE
I'M Wood Man HAVE SOME FREAKIN LEAVES AND VINES
BITCH I UPGRADED MY ARM CANNON WIT SOME METAL BLADES FOR YA
FUCK 'Mega Man' I'M THE FOREST-A-DESTROYA
WELL THEN I'LL JUST THROW THE FREAKIN' THING AT YOUR ASS
JUMP OVER THAT SHIT AND THEN YOUR ASS IS GRASS
The Bread and Eggs song (Dr. Wily)
by the Protomans
I awake in my bed to the sound of an alarm
I get up, brush my teeth and shut off the alarm
I look out my window and see the 17th god damn robot light has sent to kill me holy shit
I walk outside, stab him in the fucking chest, and then put on my kicks
I turn round the corner, people see my face, they bow to me, they watch how I race.
I walk 'cross the street, what do I see? The 18th son of light staring at me.
(Long tense blow on the trumpet)
And then I stabbed him in the chest like I did Emily.
( Next Track) The accquisition of bread and eggs (The fall of hunger)
I walk into the store, the clerk sees me, he greets me, and I can tell he wants to defeat me.
I devise a plan, I grab my bread and eggs, I go up to the counter and I stab the clerk in the chest
(Long, hard, wawa mute trumpet)
I then realize that the bread and eggs are 12 god damn years old because literally no company wants to transport to an evil dictatorship fucking city, like seriously, what country are we in?
Then I hop on my motorcycle and blast built to last and ride through the town.
(Transition into next song with trumpet)
I'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING I CAN
THERE ARE NO MORE HEROES LEFT IN MAN!
Play &Bass where King steals all the RM data. Or 7.
>And even if it was proven, Inafune outright said it was not canon
No; he didn't. This is actually the laughing stock of all supposed series personas because he hasn't and has never attempted to. Sure he took every opportunity to berate Quint and GBII, and lamented how he "doesn't like it". But because he made Punk, and loved Enker instead the only retcon he's actually suggested isn't what games are canon. It's the retcon being "Well Quint's not REALLY a Mega Man Killer.". Which does nothing more to him or his story more than stopping him from being one more bonus boss in MM10.
It's really the only one that makes sense on why you never hear anything about them at all. But honestly I'm kind of glad they said that isn't what happened.
Zero going berserk and killing everyone from classic isn't really the ending I liked to imagine when I was a kid
They can resist when their programming conflicts with itself, but they can't disobey. Many times the robots are able to disobey orders because their personality won't allow it. See: every one of Bass' tantrums.
Protomen Wily is probably the best fucking character to exist.
>Aqua Man doing the rainbow from his intro
It can work perfectly fine on Final Sigma in Maverick Hunter X, I personally did it since it's so much fucking easier in that version than the SNES version. I still haven't seen proof of anyone doing it in the SNES original though.
CRASHIN THE PARTY
Protoman doesn't have a big P
Mega man doesn't have a big M
Emily doesn't have a big endurance for knives
Light doesn't have a big L
Joe doesn't have a big J
You will never have another hero
Why does Wily have a big W?
I'll dumb it down for you.
Let's say a particle has its position decided by a probability function (imagine throwing a n-sided dice twice, for example, and using that for coordinates), this is how electron orbits work in real life, by the way.
Let's say a particle with a specific probability function has a 50%(0.5) chance to phase through a wall if it's perfectly positioned with the wall's particles(made up the chance but it doesn't matter). An atom, made of 10 particles, has a 0.5^10 chance to phase through a wall, since it has to have all the particles positioned perfectly.
A molecule made of 4 atoms has a 0.5^10^4 (that's 3000 zeroes) chance to phase through a wall.
As the system becomes more complex, more exponents are added, making the chance to phase through a wall EXPONENTIALLY harder. This means it doesn't get twice as hard with twice the complexity, but that it gets the complexity multiplied by itself.
In the end, you have a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...01% chance to phase through a wall as a human being, which means that even if you were immortal and tried for the entire age of the universe, it would be virtually impossible to phase through a wall once.
That's why, even though quantum physics allow for insanely weird shit to happen, it doesn't affect us at all. Even if it relies on chance, the chances are so low that since the universe has a limited lifespan it means it's probabilistically impossible for weird shit to happen at a normal scale.
However, it means that if consciousness relies on a few quantum factors, we can still have free will, since obviously the universe allows for it.
Thats how TurboLover plays his character live.
It's so hard to pick a favorite song from the History Repeating albums, so I won't. I love them all, leaning towards Sparkman/Protoman songs. The ending songs are 2sad4me though.
Also, filename related.
Anon, they still had something wrong with them. Suicide can also be the rational deterministic decision too, if you know with certainty you'll be tortured for the rest of your life, for example.
Free will is about being able to make bad decisions, since a good decision is a decision a non-sentient brain would make anyway.
When he was berserk and infected with the Zero Virus, he was pretty much a nonstop killing machine. If you saw him, you didn't survive. If he was like that and active before being put to sleep, it'd make sense that he killed Wily, and everyone else.
Hell, he killed the entire squad of Maverick Hunters when they woke him up. Nearly killed Sigma too.
You kiddin' me? He can definitely pull off the jazz suave sound.
I think I've pinpointed my favortie to I Refuse To Beleive, but it's a pretty close tie with Melody Of The Past and The Haystack Principle
picture unrelated (aside form being megaman)
I never bought into that, and I was raised on Webcomics.
EVERY SINGLE THING we know or can reasonably infer about the time between Classic and X suggests the Classic series ended when Dr Wily stopped making active attempts to conquer the world. Then everything just went on as normal with Zero and X taking time-released dirtnaps.
I know it doesn't provide closure for anyone. But it is inconceivable Zero went on a Rampage; then went back to sleep peacefully being half assembled. Just on the basis of the scenario against the world itself.