Why did RTS die? A string of bad titles? Changing demographics?

People saw past the thinly veiled bullshit and started realizing it is literally the least strategy based genre in the entire industry.

>>261308976

What a stupid fucking comment.

>>261308729
It was a niche genre that was only ever relevant because of Blizzard releasing genuinely good games, and westwood releasing 1-2 game every year for almost 15 years.

>>261308976
Maybe if their scope was limited to StarCraft. Total Annihilation, Supreme Commander and Command & Conquer were all solid RTS titles.

ASSFAGGOTS happened.

The bigger demographic became ASSFAGGOTS players and so developers reacted accordingly. Leaving us with shitty RTS games like the Starcraft sequels and little else.

>>261309169
Nice fags fagtron, you sure convinced me to think otherwise.

Fact is it's THE genre that favors multitasking and twitchy clicks the most. FACT.

The fact that the meta in literally every single game in the genre eventually devolves into "let's see who can x rush faster" is telling.

>>261309619

It's still a stupid fucking comment.

>literally the least strategy based genre in the entire industry

This site is 18+

>>261309183
What a stupid fucking comment

RTS have a slow pacing, people prefer to fuck things up in a FPS from the go rather than having to collect ressources during 3 hours.

>>261309183

First half of this.

RTS was always fairly niche, and the competitive scene was dominated by one game, so people tended to stick to the one competitive title while the smaller ones fell to the wayside, same way Arena FPS went.

>>261309753
The genre has no strategy involved. NONE. Zilch, Zero, Null, Nada. Whoever clicks faster Has higher numbers and can direct more attacks at once. Clicking fast is THE decisive factor, not strategy. It is literally the ONLY competitive genre where strategy takes a backseat to a dumb shit thing like clicking fast. Fucking First Person Shooters have more strategy based gameplay and critical thinking situations.

>>261310291
Your autism is showing btw. Worst genre, worst fans.

>>261309183
>It was a niche genre
Oh my son... that's funny.

>>261310561
What a stupid fucking comment

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The RTS didn't die, AAA developers just stopped trying to compete with StarCraft. Small developers manage innovation just fine but they rarely catch on.

Copying SC or C&C outright doesn't seem to work, polish doesn't seem to matter. Skilled labor and production money is just better directed elsewhere.

Also, even people who don't like MOBAs realized that they are innately more fun, because the action is nearly constant and there's no building game. For people who enjoy the building game, we now have lots of tower defense and quite a few other base building games.

In short, the RTS was a hybrid genre the day it was born, that hybrid plateaued and its components have now split back into their own genres.

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>>261308729
RTS titles require creativity and ingenuity. These two things are anathema to the Corporate Gaming industry. So devs who could create good RTS games shift their talent elsewhere and companies who made them all went under.

>>261309183
>Niche
>League has 10 times the streamers compared to any other game
???

Because Starcraft 2 was a fucking disaster and all other less relevant RTS producers have been phased out of existence through various means. Coupled with the rise of MOBAs as the cash cow alternative casual friendly version of the RTS gives little reason for large companies to continue making them, while the indie scene has proven that it can't make games to save its life.

>>261311293

>league
>rts

ASSFAGGOTS

>>261310679
Aside from two series, RTS games never sold well outside of a niche market.

>>261311476
>based on dota
>based on wc3
>based on aos
>based on sc
>not an rts

>>261311683
Niche is a term that is relative. It's niche maybe relative to platformers and FPS. It's non-niche relative to literally almost everything else.

>>261311809
lmao 1unit

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can someone just get the whole west wood crew together again and throw something on kikestarter already? i know they got frank to do music for some fucking retarded car game rts

>>261308729
moba migration

>>261310561
But FPS is exclusively about moving the cursor over the enemy and clicking LMB. What critical thinking could possibly be involved with that?

>>261312007
Which puts all the focus on micromanagement. This becomes purely placement, and play skill. Your build and farming path acts as macro and largely affects your playthrough that game. In fact, the skills ceiling is that much higher, because you have even less room for error

>>261308729
Developers tried to reinvent the RTS for a broader audience, alienating the core fanbase in the process. It's not that RTS died, it's that nobody's making RTS anymore.

>>261311293
>>League has 10 times the streamers compared to any other game
are you talking about all those twitch streams where the viewers are named cbasjckhaskhaj2 jsadhaskdjhakjfg4 ashfkashfjakjf2 yea m8 most of those are bot views

>>261312719
lmao
1unit

>>261308729
Grey Goo is bringing it back

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>>261308729

>pre 2007
>before vyida games were cool
>at a Lan party
>the only guy being under 17
>quiet as fuck because older friends dragged me along cause of my parents
>I can tell they didnt really want me there in the first place, but I really liked hanging out with them
>playing Broodwar
>FASTESTPOSSIBLEMAPEVER!!!!!!!!!!!
>people only spammed carriers
>asks to play a different map
>only my ride and his brother agree
>the host defiantly agrees
>playing
>using some strategy
>whooping his ass
>he gets up and pushes me away from my keyboard
>holds down my power button and tells me to leave
>dude must have been 23 at the time
>MFW I had to sit and watch my ride play for 6 hours

back then most houses didnt have wifi and since no one had an extra 50 foot cable I wasnt able to go on the internet. first and last lan

http://youtu.be/u7eWJzT8Fdg

>>261308729
with more and more games whatever happened to RLS (real life strategy)

RTS became shit like Starcraft, reflex based with little need for real strategy. Disgusting!

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Top tier imho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTn1LSG9Zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOK7r1pa74M

>>261308729
I blame SupCom2

>>261313125
Soon

Goddamn I can't wait

>>261310561
Confirmed for tard who never played SCFA but thinks he has a right to talk about the genre.

RTS died with the "MOBA" bullshit genre. I'm not even a fan of RTSs, but I seriously feel horrible to see your favorite genre get bastardized like that.

>>261313339
Why the fuck didn't you and your friends push him over and kick him for several minutes?

>>261308729
They all started to try to beat Starcraft or Warcraft, by becoming its retarded clones like AOEIII. Then they died

Niche genre that was oversaturated.

Reminder that WC3 literally always had heroes lol.

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>>261312453
You must have never heard of cs.

>>261316143
Were you in the alpha too?

>>261318615
No, I only found out about it last week;_;

There are different types of RTS.

Pure strategy-Rome: Total war

Strategy/Resource management- Dawn of War

Purely APM/Resource management- Starcraft

Eventually APM style RTS's became all that mattered in the competitive realm because of their perceived balance, so then the others were somewhat forgotten about. Also RTS doesn't appeal to casuals

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>>261310561
>>261312453
>>261318103
Why not both?

>>261315709
Why Video game developers NEVER make a movie with the same team? their intros are always god tier.

>>261312187
they're working on an RTS right now, it looks pretty sweet

it's called Grey Goo

>Not buying Age of Empires II when it goes on sale on Steam every other week.

>>261322491
>Not buying Rise of Nations instead

the xbox. after the xbox came out, all pc games were just xbox games.
>halo
>kotor
>fable
and rts didnt work on xbox so pc didnt get any. PC gaming is dead. PC gaming is just xbox gaming