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Alright, hold on.

So we got video footage, and there's no denying that footage is legit. So Shulk and Bowser Jr confirmed, sure, sure.

But why are we exactly believing the full roster? He's like an opponent of JC; he doesn't have a single fact to back that up. Coupled with Yoshi's weird as fuck placement and the trivial way the leaker went about with DLC, I feel like this is part of a ruse. Besides, wasn't there confirmation that Dr. Mario was just a photoshop job done on an existing Mario model?
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>>260191065
I find the clone placement weird

>Pitoo, Doc, Lucina next to each other
>Falco, Ganon, Toon Link are next to their respective series
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After seeing the footage I pretty much believe that the characters before us are all real, including Doc. But I also believe that there are more characters/stages to unlock

>weird placement in characters and stages, as you mentioned
>All Star Mode locked
>all of this footage take with the same save file (ESRB0008)

We shall see in like a week once a Japanese reviewer spills the roster.
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>>260191316
Maybe they stay at the bottom until the full roster is unlocked.
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>>260191930
>>260191901

>Maybe they stay at the bottom until the full roster is unlocked.

Maybe. But why on earth would they send ESRB an incomplete roster? I don't quite understand the logic there.

The other thing bothering me is why the ESRB leaker knows about DLC. He can't possibly know that.
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>>260192272
If the ESRB just wants to see the most suggestive content, why would they need to see the full roster?

Maybe the ESRB got multiple videos and this was just one of them

Playing devils advocate here because I want ridley in the game but I do think its weird for them to not show the ESRB a creepy space dragon that could scare children.
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Hopefully it's not all of them but honestly I don't know why the ESRB would have a picture of PART of the roster, kinda defeats the purpose of rating the game if only some things are unlocked. The holes on the sides could just be a stylistic thing because the roster number doesn't create a nice shape, not to mention all the third party reps make a nice bottom row.

The only thing that argues against a fully unlocked roster is the clones being all scattered which is definitely weird but it could just be sloppy placement, Sakurai isn't perfect.

Lucas is gone and no K Rool, Dixie or Ridley in sight. My hopes are low
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>>260192745

Ridley definitely does fall under the "frightening images" deal. Playable or not, he should be on there. That's weird as fuck.
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>>260192923
Sakurai is full ocd when it comes to his menus. I highly doubt that character placement is intentional.
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Because the image dump matches the CSS. The lower part of the CSS matches and Wario's trophy is the same pose. The videos also have matching portraits from the CSS. On top of that, it matches the Vaanrose leak. The placements can be solved if there are more characters to be unlocked.

The better question is "why exactly is anyone not believing the full roster" because there isn't exactly a good reason to think any image evidence of this leak is fake.
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>>260191065
The only confirmed characters are Shulk and Bowser Jr.
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If the GameCube can handle ice climbers, the 3ds can aswell. Also seeing that All-Star mode is locked, there's likely more characters we haven't seen.
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>>260193425
Matches the CSS?
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OH SHIT LEAKED FOOTAGE
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Five Guys.
Namco Bandai Tales Of Rep.
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>>260193950
http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw

the character select screen matches. So far everything in this image dump is consistent with pic of the day images, so it's hard to believe the leaker faked a single part of it. Dark Pit is there, you can see Dr Mario in the corner on the same spot next to WFT, and there's a shot of a Wario trophy that matches up with his pose on the character select screen. That only leaves Duck Hunt Dog (which the Vaanrose leak said is in) and some veterans (which Ness, ROB, G+W) which the Vaanrose leak also didn't mention are cut. The full roster images we've seen are legit.
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>>260192923

I wonder if Sakurai just knew something like this would happen so incomplete rosters would be given out so no one can spoil ridley
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>>260193030

Ridley is a stage hazard on Pyrosphere.

Which is Wii U exclusive ergo no Ridley to show for the 3DS version.
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>>260198047

But wouldn't he have a trophy on the 3DS version? I think you're right though. RIP in peace, Ridley. There's another purple dragon that deserves to be in anyway.
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>>260192272
The ESRB leaked the roster twice. Put two and two together and we have the complete roster.
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Honestly, the way Yoshi is put in the middle there for no reason makes it more believable. No fake leak would do that.
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>>260200178

>nothing on Duck Hunt Dog or Dark Pit

Nope.
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>>260191065
I'm worried that the only thing I like about this leak, which is DHD, might actually be a ruse. Out of all the newcomers he was the most unlikely one except maybe for WFT.
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>>260200390
That's why I mentioned put two and two together. The roster could've leaked separate info on the roster. Duck Hunt, Dark Pit and Doctor Mario get mentioned the 2nd time they leak something.
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>>260200731

>Ice Climbers
>returning

kek. Nope.
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>>260191065
All star mode was locked. that means its not the full roster
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What if this whole leak is just a decoy created by Nintendo?
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>>260200804
Since we have alts and tag team characters getting separated (PKMN Trainer and Zelda/Sheik) we could just get a single playable Ice Climber while Nana gets to be an alt with her own color costumes. It makes more sense then just cutting them both.
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>>260200178
>ESRB getting copies of the games instead of videos
>Actual gamers working for ESRB

can you be that stupid?
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>>260199871
Barney?
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>>260201339
>gamers

Well it's been fun.
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>>260199871
Spyro?
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>>260199871
Spike?
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>>260195967
That would make sense. Sakurai is paranoid as fuck, and probably expected Bowser Jr., Shulk, etc. to have been revealed by now, so if it leaked anyways, it wouldn't spoil the whole roster.
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>>260192923
Why would he decide now was the time to make the CSS look shitty and disorganized after three games of it looking completely fine? Going by every previous Smash game only having their rosters look like this partway through unlocking everything it makes more sense to me that this isn't the full roster.
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What if sakurai deliberately leaked this footage to make us all think this is all there is to the roster so when we unlock someone not on it we are even more surprised?
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>>260191065

Has nobody else realized that the images in the video are from different points of progression?

>Barbara trophy is 6 out of 11
>Medusa trophy is 502 out of 686

The stage select screen could have been from any point.
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Where's the video footage?
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>>260191065
I completely agree with you OP

If I got footage of the game leaked I totally would use it to make rooster, and add in a couple of fake characters to fuck with people.

Better yet, if I'm believed even to the point where the game comes out, people could spend hours trying to figure out ways to unlock my fake charcter.
Truly I would ascend into godhood of "That kid"
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>>260203069
>tfw I wanted them both playable
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>>260198047
Don't you find it suspicious that even the Japanese Corocoro magazine doesn't mention Ridley? In a tell-all about stuff we know already, why hide Ridley? Japan doesn't even have hype for Ridley, so why hide it from them?

I'm sorry, but this whole Ridley situation is fucking insane. Anyone denying it and saying it's just like Yellow Devil is delusional.
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>>260203069
Might be listed as out of 11 because it's a specific sub-list like in Brawl.
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>>260191065
Where did you get the clear version of the roster leak?
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>>260203709
No, they just either don't give a shit about him or his model hasn't even been finished or something
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>>260200178
are you retarded?
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>>260203709

Of course it's not like Yellow Devil. Ridley
was a Brawl boss, so he's special. Meta Ridley will also appear on that stage.
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>>260191065
>wasn't there confirmation that Dr. Mario was just a photoshop job done on an existing Mario model?
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>>260204136
We're a little too close to release for him to still not be finished.
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>>260191065
Some aspects you may have missed:
http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw

In these leaked images:

1. The Wario trophy is in the exact same pose as the Wario in the roster picture.
2. On the Dark Pit selection picture, right up in the corner above Sonic is Mario, and the picture background for that Mario is also red. Just like the Dr. Mario in the roster leak.

Also, the strange placements can make sense if all the characters haven't been unlocked yet.

Personally, I feel the placements being "strange" is a more reliable assumption to make then "the ESRB are definitely the ones that looked at it, and it definitely had all the characters unlocked"
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>>260195967

>Hiding something from ESRB

Best way to get your game banned.
On that note, leaks shouldn't happen with ESRB, so I hope they pay massive amounts of repair damage
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>>260191065
>Pac-man

get real
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>>260204651
Well you don't have to show them everything, if they did the videos would be hours long. All they need is a general idea of the content in the game and a look at the most mature stuff which is why they have all the close up shots of tits and ass in the trophies. For instance there's no need for them to see Lucas with Ness on the roster since they are pretty much the same.
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>>260204651
As long as the characters they are holding back aren't anything that could impact the rating (for example: Snake) it doesn't really matter. They only view the most objectionable content in a game to determine the rating (look at the trophies that were leaked, they all focus on either plot and backstory, or religious references). Also, the ESRB doesn't have the power to ban games, at worst they get pissy at Nintendo and re-rate the game to T.
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>>260205025
I wanted Lucas too man, but it's time to let go
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>>260204524

The strange character placement was actually one of the things that made me doubt that the roster is not fake. I mean, if I wanted to make a fake roster, I'd put the characters like they've always been and wouldn't change them up to make people call it fake. Placing Lucina, Dr Mario and Dark Pit next to each other is even something I can see Sakurai do, since they are literal clones with the same moveset and that play almost the same as their originals (unlike someone like Ganondorf, who is a Falcon clone, yet plays completely differently). He might emphasize that they are costume clones and are simply bonus characters, because he knows that there are stupid people who think that there are limited slots.

The other thing that made me wary was the thicker black line glitch
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>>260205508
I don't care about Lucas I was just using him as an example.
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>>260192272
Who's to say the esrb didn't? We know all star mde was locked. Either the roster was being unlocked as the video went on or they were sent a video with some stuff not even they were meant to have footage of, but sill disclosed in a read out.

Since I find the first more likely, they probably gave the kid an image of the incomplete roster. Can we be 100% sure of this? No. However the locked all star mode is proof that the esrb did not have a video with the entire roster unlocked tfor the entire thing.
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>>260205025
>>260205393

Don't see why Shulk, Bowser Jr, Duck Hunt and the clones should be on the roster then
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>>260204398

We're months away from the Wii U release date. There's plenty of time, and they're probably focused on getting the 3DS game out the door first.
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>>260193030
He's most likely redesigned to be a cross between Other M and Brawl Ridley. I don't think he'll be that scary looking. Kids would be happy just to have another cool dragon.

>>260198047
Since the roster wasn't finished and due to how they've been handling Ridley, nobody can say this for sure.
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>>260205512
That reasoning doesn't make any sense though going by every other Smash. There's no reason for Yoshi to right in the middle of the Mario characters or for the clones to be separate when they aren't in the others. It looks like how the roster of every Smash looks before all the characters are unlocked, disorganized with some characters being in really odd places.

>>260205825
They happened to be in that build? Who the fuck knows?

>>260205957
They shouldn't still be modeling a boss months out. Games tend to go gold months before release. Usually the time leading up is for balancing and minor stuff, not something major like an important aspect of a stage.
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>Adds in melee clone vet no one wants back
>does not add in melee original clone vet everyone wants back

At this point you just have to concluded hes fucking with us.
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>>260200346
What's great is neither would a fully complete roster from Sakurai. He's never put Yoshi in a position like that.
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>>260206248

Well it comes out Holiday Season, which is still 3+ months after the other smash is released. Plus, with the huge team (this one has a big team iirc) who are focused on one game I think it shouldn't be too unbelievable that they can finish the other stuff on the Wii U version afterwards.
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If the 3ds version bombs what happens with the wiiu version?
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>>260204394
>done on an existing Mario model?

There are still a lot of other things that don't seem right. For instance, in the video where they show Shulk's victory screen, Lucina doesn't move. Like, at all. There is also the fact that the Miis in Multiman Brawl don't have emblems on their back (as seen in the last batch of official screens), "Supersized" being spelled wrong and the trophies being generally off.
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>>260195578

These trophy descriptions seem...off, but I'll admit it's been a long time since I've gone through Melee and Brawl's trophies. Does anyone have some pics of that to compare?
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>>260206693
I just think that's reaching, especially since it's a stage we've seen in game for over a year now. Plus they at least had him in a state where he could fly and move back in April. I find it really fucking hard to believe that they don't even have a finished model to show by now.
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>>260204324
Ridley being a boss is nothing special or surprising thus no reason to not have talked about him by now for how long its been since they teased the shadow. I know you want him a boss and I admit that's all he could be. But you have to admit that with how he's been handled he has a shot to be playable, even if slim.
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>>260207016
Some faggot's Photoshop autism is more believable than some faggot that posted pics that later came with in game footage? You some kind of idiot?
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>>260206308
>not wanting dr mario
Do you like shit?
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>>260207016
delusion at its finest
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>>260206308
>I speak for everyone
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>>260203724
>686 Kid Icarus Trophies
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>>260207916
>>260208050
Before his leak I have not once seen a user from here post a single "I want dr. mario back!"

Now correct me if you will, but normally when zero people are asking for something its a good sign people don't want it.
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>>260208263

I wouldn't even be surprised at this point.

But i think he meant it was possible that the barbara pic is from a sublist and medusa isn't.
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>>260208263
I believe it.
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>>260208263

Yeah seems about right.
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>>260208325

TOO BAD ENJOY YOUR WIIFIT TRAINER AND MIIS
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>>260208263
But the Medusa screenshot could have been him browsing all the trophies.
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>>260208798
I will, they have new movesets at least.
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>>260208798
>people ACTUALLY don't like wiifit and miis.

Do you just hate having fun?
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>>260202129

If you asked me, yes. But it'll never happen. Just a fantasy, honestly.
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>>260203069
If anything I'm more concerned about Barbara having no description. Since they are meant to have the final build or what not leading me to believe they don't have the full roster for whatever reason.
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>>260207130
I don't even think he was flying. It could just be a more controllable float akin to Peach. It was a small passive Ridley shadow that did nothing but float from one side to the other without any scripted motions and then jumped rght before the clip ended.
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>>260191065
The way I'm seeing it
>Super Mario characters
In Brawl, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario were all considered their own franchises. But Yoshi still appears in mainline games. He appears with the rest of the recurring cast of "individual" Super Mario characters (so no Goombas, Toads, Koopa Troopas, etc.). I guess that's also why Wario is haphazardly placed at the end (because he's still a character derived from the Mario series, and has appeared in around 3 mainline games, if Super Mario Land 3 and Super Mario 64 DS are counted). It's also why Donkey Kong is right beneath Mario.
>Donkey Kong
>The Legend of Zelda
>Metroid
>Kid Icarus
>Fire Emblem
>Kirby
>Punch-Out!!
There's only one horizontal space left after Kirby, so it's reasonable placement. Little Mac is also right above R.O.B and two spaces below Mr. Game & Watch, which kinda fits the retro theme (at least if Zero Suit Samus wasn't there).
>Star Fox
>Pokémon
>Duck Hunt
Beside R.O.B., so it kinda fits a retro theme, but if only it could be where Zero Suit Samus is now.
>One-off franchises (MOTHER, F-Zero, Animal Crossing, Wii Fit Trainer, Xenoblade?)
It would make more sense for Shulk to be in the row above with the other one-off franchises.
>Clones
>Third-party characters
Looking at the screen, it seems possible that there are 5 more characters to be shown, and perhaps that will move the characters a little bit.
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>>260192272
The ESRB didn't leak it, the guy from Nintendo who edited the video for the ESRB leaked it
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>>260209204
ESRB do not require the final version or all content, as long as what isn't shown to them is disclosed. I'd not be surprised if Sakurai planned for a leak and sent esrb footage of only most of the characters.

It's also possible whoever sent that kid some of the leak showed him only a partially unlocked roster.
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>>260191065
Am I retarded or can I just not find the portrait to select the Mii?
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>>260209204
They don't get a "build" you fucking idiot. They are sent a video of the most offensive, violent and suggestive content. Clearly some of it was taken from non-final code.

This explains why a lot of the images in the imgur album are of trophies' TnA
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I found this. How fake is it?
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I support the theory that this is what the 3DS version will launch with, but the Wii U version will have 5 more characters, and the 3DS version will get a free update of those characters.

Nintendo probably didn't want to delay the game anymore, so they sent it off partially unfinished
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>>260210292
So it's possible they sent them a video with a roster that lacks the most surprising characters, just in case? Is Sakurai that crafty?
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>>260210187
It's not there. The Mii replaces the random icon when customization options are turned on.
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>>260210495
Looks super fake, holy shit
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>>260191065
I think it would be silly for someone to have access to real pictures and footage, and then photoshop professional looking art in just for giggles, or because he saw the image and thought "hey, it almost looks like that Smashboards leak. Just needs Dr. Mario, here I'll make one."
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>>260210586
If NoA felt like the other characters being worked on wouldn't push up the rating, then yes.

But it essentially deconfirms Snake forever
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>>260210586
Not necessarily the most surprising but yes, they probably got a video of a build without all the characters.
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>>260210187
Mii fighter is not on the character grid, you pick it before the grid appears, at least on 3DS.
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>>260210495
>How many times Pikachu made
>Zelda KO?
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>>260191065
Holy fuck you guys are the most pathetic, delusional idiots I've ever come across.

Jesus fucking christ, anti-leak fags never cease to amaze me.

>HURR NESS' SHIRT ISN'T SIDEWAYS
>SHULK IS LITERALLY PHOTOSHOPPED LIL MAC
>GAME WATCHER'S HAND IS IN WARIO'S PORTRAIT

>Legitimate fucking gameplay is leaked

>W-well DR. MARIO IS STILL A PHOTOSHOIP, YOSHI IS PLACED WEIRD, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

Fuck off.
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>>260210553
They'd not launch a game with a mode that requires you wait months before being able to use it. All star mode is locked so we know there's more. Sakurai has also stated he's not thinking about dlc until after release, if at all.
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>>260191065
Okay I need to ask...
Where the heck did you get this clear image?
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>>260211014
If you read the thread, or at least the OP, you'd see that pretty much everyone believes the leak is real, but is hoping that not all the characters were leaked with it.
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>>260195578
>Bowser
>not Koopa
So it's English then? Duck Hunt is the dog and bird?
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>>260211349
It's an edit.
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>>260210495
>I found this
What you're actually saying is
>I made this
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>>260208325
Dr. Mario was my main in Melee, but I was expecting him as a Mario alt., otherwise I would've rooted for him.

He's my guilty pleasure of Smash.
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Should we try to get anti-leak fags sent to mental asylums? After all, with their obviously deteriorating mental health, they could be a danger to themselves and everyone around.
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>>260211063
I'm talking free update brah.

Clearly he had to rush the game a bit last minute, and Nintendo can't have it be delayed cause they need that holiday dosh
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>>260210801
>>260210816
Not trying to start shit and I know it may not happen but still. What reason would they have for not having Ridley and Mewtwo in the esrb video if they happen to be in? I mean this could apply to any character but I care about those two most. Not finished? Balancing? Planning a fail-safe in case of a leak?
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>>260211648
>clearly
And free update or not, they are not going to have All-Star Mode locked for fucking months.
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>>260191065
>there are people who think this is real
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>>260211607
They're not quite as bad as the people who denied that the Phantom Pain was Metal Gear Solid V.

I remember how bad they were. I'd bet you a couple benjamins that at least 4 people killed themselves over it since they were so fucking wrong
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>>260207016
Even if every one of these concerns is true -

we have no idea how old this footage is. It's not public-released, it's a leak of an incomplete game still in development. None of these things make it seem "fake" necessarily, so much as an unfinished beta. The ESRB only needs to see the most extreme content in a game, it doesn't need to be anywhere near completion as long as they don't add in realistic gore or Birthday Suit Samus
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>>260191065
IT WAS A FUCKING VIDEO OF A BRAWL HACK. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE FUCKING LEARN THIS?!
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>>260211704
>Planning a fail-safe in case of a leak?
If they took that into account, this leak wouldn't have happened in the first.
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>>260211783
"months"

Wii U version will come out first week of December at the latest. Regardless we will all know next week.
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>>260211704
We don't know. Could be they weren't ready, they didn't feel the need to record them, any number of things.
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>>260210495
>roy's trophy not in clown car
nope, fake
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>>260211648
I know you're talking free update. What I'm saying is if they had to hold back characters and that was all there was, All Star would be unlocked. If it requires the other unlocked characters for all star they wouldn't even be free dlc. They'd just not even have that menu option there if people would have to wait months to use it.
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>>260191065
GANONDORF IS STILL A CLONE
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>t-the video
>the leak is real
>the video
>nobody seemingly has the video
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>>260211828
>there are still people who deny it

Are you retarded?
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>>260212068
Nintendo took it down. It was on Siliconera
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>>260211828
>being this mentally defective
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>>260212068
That's because they keep getting DMC'd, kiddo. But here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXAYzq9v-0g
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>>260212068
>nobody seemingly has the video
Were you born retarded, or did you have to work at it?
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>>260212068
Don't do this to yourself, you'll just end up feeling stupid.

The videos were taken down by nintendo, you can find the information on any video game website. You can probably find the videos if you actually looked for them.

The leak more upsets me than anything. I'm not like you fags. I don't want to know. When I'm playing the game, and I suddenly hear that siren, with the sillhoutte saying a new challenger appears, there's this great feeling of being surprised, and your patience pays off. But now I know.

And that feeling won't be there.
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>>260212245
>>260212283
>>260212307
>>260212328

Yeah, nah. That's fake. Good try though.
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>>260212006
Oct 3rd to Dec3rd would be two months. So yes, "months".

>>260212012
I think most likely thing is that the true leaker gave that kids brother an image of the unfinished css and maybe just explained the rest of the roster to him.
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>>260206902
>3ds smash
>bombing
Nigga, 45 million userbase.
It will sell like hotcakes.
It will do pokemon numbers
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>>260212478
Here's the reply you wanted mr. troll
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>>260211550
holy fuck, are you me?
Dr. mario was my melee main, and also my guilty pleasure. I felt so bad for liking a mario clone
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>>260212478
>hahaha, everyone keeps talking about the videos, but NO ONE HAS THEM! Ha, of course the leak is bullshit idiots
>Videos are posted along with instructions to kill self
>Ha, nice fake videos you tried and failed again kiddie!!!!

Human Trash.
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>>260201147
if you cut one of the ice climbers than you've successfully created one of the least interesting characters in the game. The only reason they were ever interesting was because there were two of them. Popo or Nana by themselved would be a boring character with no redeeming qualities.
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>>260212478
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The leak didn't had sexy suit samus.
It's fake.
Samus on a sexy suit is something esrb needs to see.
I only believe the videos and them not even completely.
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>>260206308
>implying I didn't want the Doc back
>Implying anyone but genwunners care about Mewtwo
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>>260212810
>tfw everyone is anally ravaged about Dr. Mario returning while I'm excited as hell for my old main

It feels so good, man.
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>>260212983
>I only believe the videos and them not even completely.
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>>260213153
>only 35 challenges

Seriously?
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>>260210495
Your math is terrible, dawg
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>>260213332
There could be another page. We'll see.
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>>260212983
She's right by Samus in the css and the kid who uploaded all this didn't have all of the esrb video.70292
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>>260209614
-Here's how to make it work:
-Swap Yoshi with Bowser Jr.
-Replace G&W with Ness. Take the three clones, and push them to the bottom row, leaving the bottom row with one more space.
-Lucas unlock makes the final clone, filling the bottom row. Leaving 5 spaces for the second-bottom row.
-Place G&W on the second-bottom row, on the end, so he sits under R.O.B,
-Fill the remaining 4 spots with the remaining unlockables.
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>>260211014
Who are you quoting?
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>>260213332
35 BOARDS
There are 42 challenges on that screen.
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>>260213153
>sakurai posting this and the spectator mode this week.

He knows, you guys.
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>>260213692

Please learn your multiplication tables.
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>>260213516
Gonna get it for this but if the final four unlockables are Ridley, Mewtwo, Impa, and Dixie/K. Rool, it would fix the css completely. The clones could go into their respective franchises and everything.
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>>260213816
olol I counted wrong.
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>>260213141
Duck hunt is the first game I ever played, of course im maining the doggy.
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>>260213692
No, there are 35. 7 rows and 5 columns = 35 challenges.
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>>260214029
Yeah I counted 6 columns my bad
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>>260213764
Spectator mode was already in a trailer.
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Hopefully the challenges are actually just related to the game mode, and there's a board for each one.

I feel like if there was, though, Sakurai would have said so. Oh well.
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>>260205653
>All Star WAS unlocked
>just needed to be tapped to make the icon dissapear
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>>260213848
>Dixie

I fucking wish. Don't toy with me.
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>>260213008
>>260208050
>>260207916
>wanting clones
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>>260214370
You don't think that's likely, do you? Has it ever worked like that before?

>>260214395
DK deserves another rep. I'm sure Nintendo and Sakurai feels the same. Best choices are Krool or Dixie. I'd say you've got a good shot of getting her. Maybe even more porn if she makes it in!
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>>260214703
Something wrong Anon?
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>>260203709
In the famitsu article, they did the same damn thing with Dark Pit"Does he want to join the battle too?". Since there's nothing of mention for Ridley aside from "An enemy in the shadows", this practically confirms Ridley. Allstar mode not being unlocked sets that in stone. I am 100% sure Ridley is going to be playable in super smash bros 4.
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>>260214338

>Sakurai

>The guy who kept 2/3 of the content in KIU secret until release

>Including TWO additional whole boards of 120 challenges, for a total of 360 challenges in the game
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>>260213153
>two of the same challenges completed on both
>different pictures
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
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>>260215343
What are you talking about? Those are the same pictures, the leak just has yellow exclamation marks over them.
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>>260214759
I recall some games being like that for some reason. It was just an interesting idea another anon had.
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>>260215581
Nevermind, I'm retarded.
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>>260214786
CRASHING THIS PARTY WITH NO SURVIVORS
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>>260215219
I think he has a good shot but after 13 years I'm keeping myself catious. I want it far too badly to set myself up for disappointment. I must simply bide my time and wait. Sakurai making sure it took him over a year to tell us what he is with no shadow shit hasn't been fun.
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Really hope Sakurai shows us something new that wasn't in the leak. Mewtwo, Ridley, anything. Just as proof that we don't know everything.
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>>260217097
>mfw it's Goku
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i'm kinda puzzled by shulk
i'm not saying he has no place on the roster but he sticks out like just another edgy fanfic character of a shonen manga

he's not even worthy of the "Mascot" title either

at least we finaly got megaman and pacman in
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>>260217523
>he's a Lucario clone
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>>260191065
only retards have been spouting that it's the full roster.
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>>260200178
that guy needs to be shot for ruining perfectly good threads and reveal trailers
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>>260217097
Right there with you. I'm not sure how you personally feel about it, but I actually REALLY like the roster. However, I'm also really hoping that it's not the complete one, and that maybe there's still a surprise or two to come. I shouldn't get my hopes up but I can't help it.
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>>260213332
Probably 35 just for that dumb minigame
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So wait, is Bowser Jr. a Diddy Dong clone?
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>>260217959
Honestly it's not total shit but if Ridley isn't there I'm gonna be a bit disappointed. I mean him just being a boss wouldn't be the problem. It's them having had over a year since they showed off Pyrosphere and four months since the shadow. It's a hell of a long time to pussyfoot around something we've seen him as over 7 times.

If I can't have Ridley then I want Mewtwo in for my friend. That'd make me happy even if I didn't get who I wanted.
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>>260218620
That's fair, and understandable. I myself will be really disappointed if Dixie isn't playable. My friend already got the character he wanted though, which was Robin. Although, I know it's stupid but originally I just wanted Dark Pit to be playable in some shape or form. To me it didn't matter if he was a costume or a clone I just wanted him. But yeah, I hope ridley is in as well just for all the Ridley fans.
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I can't believe there are still people who think that the leak is fake.
Just how much more evidence do you even need? Fucking hell...
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>>260191316
The difference is that Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina aren't just clones. They were planned as alts and became clones later.
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>>260219020
He was just a palette swap in brawl. Why he suddenly deserves a slot is beyond me.
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>>260192745
>ESRB just wants to see the most suggestive content
Snake's tight ass absolutely deconfirmed.
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>>260210495

>Bandana Dee

RIP in peace, buddy.
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>>260219020
I'm disappointed that Lucas didn't make it, but I'm glad my girlfriend's main characters made it back. At least she's happy.
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>>260219020
You seem like a bro so I'm glad you got Dark Pit. Even if I think he should have been an alt. Tho if Mewtwo and Ridley are in and Dr. Mario and Dark Pit were afterthought roster fillers? All smiles. Still, congrats on your most wanted making it!
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>>260219410
Now that's he's an actual separate character, I guess? I don't know, he could have worked as just a costume and I would have been just as happy, so long as he had his voice etc. Either way, he doesn't bother me like others. Originally I didn't like the idea of shulk in the roster at all, but now that I see him in game he actually doesn't look as bad as I thought, so I'm happy for all the shulk fans.
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>>260219658
I bet he's a Ness alt. I know it's not the same, but what if they tweeked Ness into a best combo of them both with Lucas as an alt?
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>>260219927
Huh. That'd be..really interesting honestly.
I'm curious.
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>had all summer mostly free
>just want to play new smash bros
>weeks before release are dragging on like hell
>nothing to do but talk about leaks and shit
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>>260219927
Yeah and Lucas' moveset can be edited in using the move customization?
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>>260219748
Thanks! I really hope it works out like this.

>>260219658
I'm actually also disappointed that Lucas didn't make it. I never played him much but I did like him being there. Especially, when you consider that there are already so many clones why did they have to get rid of Lucas? Even if he is a little different,
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>>260219927
I'm sure with customization, the supposed Koopaling alts (and the Alph alts for Olimar apparently), and the fact that Lucina was going to be an alt in the first place, we can suspect that Lucas and maybe Wolf have good chances of being alts.
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I really hope we get a Ninten alt for Ness finally.
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>>260219410
Did Dark Pit even exist when Brawl was made? He was only in Uprising, right?
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>>260219410
filtered homeboy
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>>260220454
I'd love that!
I've been trying to find one on BrawlVault for ages, but nobody seems to be able to get the colors of his shirt right.
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>>260219886
Fuck Shulk, if we were going to get another effeminate, girly sword-swinger it should have been Issac. No one knows who the fuck Shulk is and fans have been asking for Issac since Melee.
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>>260220491
Yeah he started as just a Pit alt and didn't become an actual character until Uprising.
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>>260220221
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Best smashes from both into one, alt moves are their differences from Brawl. 4 Ness costumes, 4 Lucas. Would take the same dev time as one character without exactly cutting the other.
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>>260220601

Haha, I rarely see Isaac fans. Usually it's just one really loud outspoken one.
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>>260220707
Mainly because Mother barely has any representation here
He introduces a new character last game, then gets rid of him now.

It's just weird to me, and it's going to feel weird if lucas doesn't make it.
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>>260192745
Note that Zero Suit Samus' workout clothes were only revealed after the leaker got their footage.
I think[/spoilre]
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>>260220383
Yeah I expect Wolf to be a Fox alt. It may not be what some fans want but if they can customize him into more like Wolf and he still has the announcer calling his name and his own voice, would it be so bad?

Plus if that's the case there's less cuts than I initially thought, sort of, which makes me happy. I never even used Lucas or Wolf, but I felt bad people may be losing their mains.
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>>260215219
EVEN NOW THERE IS HOPE FOR RIDLEY
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>>260220601
>yfw he's a Shulk alt
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>>260212134
>>260212286
>being this desperate
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>>260192272
>But why on earth would they send ESRB an incomplete roster
no need for other characters they weren't something the esrb would be looking for
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>>260199871
spyro was only ever in those gba games
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>>260222276

No he wasn't.
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>>260191316
>create roster
>looks fine, character placements perfect, no series being split up
>have 3 empty spots at the end though
>add in 3 clones but don't want to mess up the layout
???
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>>260221690
>desperate
Says the guy denying video proof.

>LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!
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>>260222662
>Add 3 clones
>They mess up the perfect character placement
???
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You know what's insane is G&W is way out of place, yet no one mentions that. I think this is an incomplete roster in the leak. PEople will fill in the spots correctly when it's full.
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>>260223014
OP's pic is done by someone else attempting to make a high quality version of the leak CSS.
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>>260204524
africa has the most players online, niggers must have stole it.
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>>260212068

But they have the videos anon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfy7fpAU1E
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>>260223142
The placement is still the same though.

>>260223014
Probably because Yoshi and the clones stick out more.
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>>260222662
But the mario series is split by yoshi, and theres ways the clones could have been implemented while still keeping the roster organised. Besides, if they just toss in the 3 clones at the end does that not kind of mess up the layout anyway? The clone placement is weird to me too. It doesn't mean the leak is fake, or that there are more characters to be unlocked (however I think and hope there is), it could really just be that the roster isn't perfectly unorganized, however unlikely that is.
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>>260222662
I think they were added specifically to make the layout perfect. Ridley, Mewtwo, Dixie, Impa plus putting the clones where they belong fixes the whole thing.
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I couldn't see it posted in this thread, but can someone please post the all-stars being locked screenshot? Just wanted to show a friend but I don't have it saved on this pc.

Btw what was the origin/source for that All-Stars being locked picture? Was that with the other leaks? I never got to see the 7 videos, just the Bowser Jr fight and screenshots of trophies and other menus.
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>>260223469
here man
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>>260223469
imgur.com/a/PzeCw

Random imgur link nobody really knows who uploaded it
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>>260223354
Didn't those extra characters come from some unconfirmed source?

I would murder for all of those characters but I don't want to get my hopes up
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>>260223354
Those could all be clones aside from mewtwo.
Which would put us at 6, and make them all on the sides next to their bases like they were in melee.
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>>260215219
>>260203709
You guys are the reason why people hate the Smash fanbase.
Well, you and meleefags.
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>>260191065
It bothers me how Lucina isn't by the Fire Emblem characters, Dark Pit isn't by the Kid Icarus characters, Dr. Mario and Bowser Jr. aren't by the Mario Characters, etc.
Bothers me enough to the point where I still think it's fake
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when ridley, Dixie, mewtwo, and impa are added, the roster really does form together a bit better, but we're still missing another character, mostly just with slides too. The last spot could have a few possibities. Chorus boys or mach rider maybe?
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>>260212006
"please understand"
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>>260224178
My guess is wolf
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>>260205825
>Shulk
Not sure exactly either, possibly because of his weapons? If he has spoken dialogue that could be it too
>Bowser Jr.
He uses a variety of weapons including canonballs. ERSB would likely need to know if characters being shot was too realistic
>Duck Hunt
Possible animal cruelty if violence against Duck Hunt is too realistic.
And as a bonus since you forgot him
>Dr. Mario
If he keeps his regular B then references to drugs need to be sorted out.
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>>260212307
fuck you
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>>260224178
Such bullshit we'll get a fucking Diddy clone and not K.Rool just so Sakurai can pass it off as a DK rep
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>>260223802
It came from a leak weeks before the major one and got Bowser jr. down to a tee as well as DHD Dark Pit Dr Mario and Shulk.

Now someone came out and said they never mentioned those last few, but it took them a month to bring it up? When the leaks started to get Nintendos attention due to being real? Seems fishy.

Obviously don't get your hopes up too high or at all, but it is possible.
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>>260224118
Thats not nice Anon, please do not bully those with faith in Purple Space Dragons.
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>>260224368
I think it's because shulk's source game has guns in it, and they have to make sure he doesn't use any just in case.
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>>260191065
>6 spots left
Just enough space for Ridley!
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>>260224560
Fuck off dipshit, he's not playable.
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>>260224560
>mfw he's a charizard clone
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Hope these guys make it in.
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>>260215219
just because the all star mode was locked doesnt mean there are more characters to unlock. I want ridley and mewtwo just as much as the next fan, but it isnt happening. The leak came from an ESRB video, NOT A DEMO, and the ESRB requires companies to show them all of the characters in games like this.
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>>260224351
seems possible. Put wolf with the spacies, that just moves little mac to the bottom row with other retro characters, seems appropriate. Also this is pprobably fake, but...
>http://imgur.com/a/4cgoP
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>>260224036
Holy shit you're right. I don't want Ridley to be a Charizard clone but fuck it, I'd take just for them giving a shit to add him. Mewtwo a retooled clone of Lucario? As long as you could bring back their old moves through customising.
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>>260224860
not all the content, just the problematic stuff. Check their site.
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>>260191065
There's 49 slots right now.

If this were the final roster, they would have just arranged it in a 7x7 square instead of this weird inverse mound thing.
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>>260225028
52. Don't forget the Mii Fighters
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>>260224178
Shulk by FE reps, move Lil mac to the bottom, Ice Climber/s. An entire row of classic characters on the bottom.
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>>260225028
same could be said for melee, though. 25 characters, inverse mound
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>>260225152
They replace the random slot.
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>>260191065

I just hope I can main as Hank Hill or Dale Gribble.
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>>260225250
I thought he meant just fighters in general. Not "slots" on the menu.
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>>260224178
>when ridley, Dixie, mewtwo, and impa are added
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>>260225349
Maybe. I'm dumb as shit, so it might go either way,
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>>260224979
then why show characters that weren't revealed yet? duck hunt, dark pit and dr mario aren't problematic
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>>260223586
>>260223623
Alright, thank you both very much.
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>>260224178
This works pretty well.
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>>260225418
I was referring to when I added those 4 to the roster (represented by the black box), not when they are actually added. But nice epic meme face though
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>>260225330
>>260225330
would main dale gribble so hard
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>>260225726
>Ice Climbers
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>>260225929
They could be anyone. It's just a potential set up for how it could look perfect with five more characters. Wolf could easily go next to Falco and move Shulk in to the bottom row instead of Ice Climbers. I just thought IC worked out better because everyone else in the bottom is retro or third party.
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>>260224860
For one, esrb don't need a final build, just a discloser of things they don't have access to.

Two, the guys didn't give that kid everything they could.

Three, the fact all star mode is locked at all? Means there were in fact locked characters for the esrb.
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>>260225548
It was probably sent ahead of time, and those characters were expected to be revealed by now.

Sakurai might have intentionally not shown the full roster out of paranoia it might leak, because if it did, at least it wouldn't show ALL the characters. In which case his paranoia was clearly justified.

And because why does it matter, none of it should have leaked in the first place anyways?
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>>260226382
It always leaks.
Always.
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>>260191065
>SSB64
>12 characters

>Melee
>26 characters (incl. Sheik)
>+14

>Brawl
>39 characters (incl. Sheik, ZSS, Squirtle, Ivysaur)
>+13

>SSB4
>51 characters (incl. 3 types of Miis)
>+12

Face it, it's ogre.
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>>260226615
And Sakurai is a huge pissbaby about leaking. He wanted to sue because the Smash 64 roster got leaked.
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>>260224860
Uh, All Star mode being locked specifically proves the esrb at least didn't have the full roster unlocked right away. If so that means it's quite possible the css image we saw was not the final roster. The rosters unorganized messy structure points to this being likely and that Mewtwo Ridley leak when plugged into it makes it reorganize perfectly.

Is this what's going to happen? Nobody can say for sure? Is it possible? Of course. It's Smash. Anything is possible.
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>>260226615
Not from the ESRB it doesn't. I think this is the first time this has happened.
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LOL
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>>260226645
Why compare the two, when we know this game's development is much different? Now Sakurai has more funding, the help of bandai Namco, and no Subspace Emissary.
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>>260226750
My guess is that they sent multiple videos that include all the content when put together.
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>>260191065
God
Are we going through this again?

The roster as currently constituted is real.

The DLC "Leak" was from a different, completely unrelated, and as far as we know, completely wrong individual.

That said, there MIGHT be more characters.

The prevailing theory is that this is the full roster until the WiiU version comes out, then this version will get patched with everything it didn't have.
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>>260225418
He meant when as in "when you do this the roster organizes properly". Not "when this happens for sure". Can't say it will happen but it's possible.
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>>260213764
Of course he knows.

I sent him the album on Twitter
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>>260226284
that kid? the leaker really was 16? maybe his dad really did work for nintendo. I hope you guys are right but my more pragmatic side tells me we have seen all there is to see unless there is dlc
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>>260227264
cunt
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>>260226869
>ridleyhomo moderation
What kind of shit forum is that?
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>>260203709
They're just hiding a boss or stage hazard. Big fucking deal...
>>
>http://imgur.com/a/4cgoP
No es fake, wolf and Impa comfirmed
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>>260191065
>sonic next to megaman
Didn't find the world trade one
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>>260227471
>>260227471
smashboards is a really shit forum, the mods are biased and break their own rules all the time
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>>260227013
>>260227312
There is no dlc in the works currently. Both games have the same roster, not if you buy this game or update 3DS later because they aren't going to have a mode people have to sit on for two to three months to play.

That roster is not the final one.
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>>260227717
>There will never be a Sonic & Mega Man: Worlds Collide game
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>>260227717
just for you anon
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>>260226869
LOL
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>>260227471
http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-wiiu-3ds-miiverse-daily-pic-august-21st.364994/page-2#post-17349192
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>>260200178
I love when a fake roster is just an excuse to namedrop the most obscure Nintendo character you can think of.

If anything, those leak threads were a nice gaming history lesson.
>>
>still no disk-kun assist trophy where he fires floppydisks at everyone
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>>260228187
shit, that rosalina pic is 10/10
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>>260227471
He was most likely modded because Ridley hasn't been confirmed as anything yet, regardless of what he was teased as. Once Ridley is on the Smash site as a boss or hopefully playable, then he's confirmed something.
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>>260228458
Man, we got no obscure characters in this Smash...I'm pretty bummed. We coulda got Diskun or Sherrif
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>>260195578

The fact that he's called Dark Pit makes me suspicious.
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>>260228690
He was confirmed as a stage hazard though :^)
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>>260228862
that's his name. he's an individual character.
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>>260228862
You seriously think he's gonna be labelled as Pittoo on the CSS?
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>>260228956
Read a dictionary.
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>>260228862
Can't tell if bait
>>
I like Dark Pit.
He is the closest thing to Bayonetta in that game ;_;
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>>260228956
My guess is that he's both and the stage hazard is replaced by meta ridley if he's in the match.
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>>260227938
All of the "proof" that this is the final roster relies on assumptions and reaching theories. I say we apply Occam's razor to this ordeal and admit that it is more likely that we already know the final roster
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>>260228956
>Ridley is playable
>if no one is playing Ridley and Pyrosphere is picked CPU Ridley joins in mid-battle and it can essentially be a 5 player match
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>>260229037
I would totally be into Pit if it weren't for the fact he wears sandals. greek sandals but still. can't stand feet
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So how the hell will the alternate colors work for Pit and Dark Pit if they're clones? Will all of Dark Pit's moves just have a dark aura so you can tell who is who?
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>>260229578
You're more than welcome to think it's the full roster. I don't. I think there's more pointing to it not being finished than there is to it being so.
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I feel like Dr Mario will play like Melee Dr Mario.

In other words, superior to Mario and not stuck to a shit moveset that got botched due to the FLUDD.
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>>260225418
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I think one thing is off though, wouldnt someone who goes out of there way to make such a convinsive leak, instead try and have a more "legit" looking roster order?
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>>260191065
Who's believing in any "full roster"? We're getting exactly what's in that picture. If you want Ridley hope for DLC.
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>>260229749
>can't stand feet
But feet is what you use to stand.
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>>260230348
You really think that messy, unfinished, random placed roster is finished? Because the leaker didn't show someone the whole thing? With all star mode being locked? Please tell me you're joking.
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>>260210495
>http://imgur.com/a/4cgoP
This is terrible. Walk in front of traffic.
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>>260230263
yes anon, you're the very first to point this out, thank you for adding to the conversation, truly your point was insightful and not a waste of everyone's time
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>>260210495
How did yo get Banana, beating the classic mode?
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>>260230015
If Doctor Mario gets the tornado back then I wouldn't even be mad, because it means I get my main back after brawl killed him and made Mario unplayable
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>>260230348
No, I want their fucking dreams crushed. I want no DLC for SSB4. I want ridleyfags to cry themselves to sleep every night for all eternity.
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>>260230652
The leaker is from the ESRB, who are legally required to review all content in the game. There's no plausible scenario in which they would have an almost-complete roster.
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>>260229914
Dark pit will have different weapons and different animations, that's the only way to keep confusion from happening, especially on the 3DS version
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>>260230652
You really think that Sakuri would send an incomplete roster to the ESRB? OK, well then why not only send the starting roster? If someone can give me a good,logical explanation for that then I will jump on the bandwagon with you
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>>260231202
Because thisis the starting roster.
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>>260231202
They probably have a progression in the esrb video where they show a few incomplete rosters as well.
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>>260229037
>that walk cycle

fuck, angel boy wants the D
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>>260231202
Because they don't to see everything holy shit
They only need to see the worst parts of it
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>>260191065
Its weird since even if the characters are mixed up because "not everyone is unlocked", in Brawl characters slots moved to the right everytime you unlocked someone, but here it just wouldnt make sense.
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My guess is, there will be some kind of DLC that comes out with the wii u version. The 3ds one is just like an early pay out for them, so they can keep the teams around to make a few waves of DLC and do balance.
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>>260231005
They don't review everything in the game and they have no legal obligation. They aren't a governmental branch.
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>>260231005
Wrong, go read their site before spouting things. They are required to see all questionable content, and anything else only need be disclosed. All Star mode being locked proves not all characters were unlocked.
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>>260231354
There are multiple pictures all showing the same roster, and none showing anything more. It's time to abandon this hopeless delusion.
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The guy who leaked the videos and posted the imgur pics confirmed that there were more characters.
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>>260230975
Well aren't you petty
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This is what we are working with right now, the one with all the pictures and video footage.
Key:
Blue = Veteran
Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Back from the Dead
Red = Dead
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>>260231478
>an early pay out
you're still going to buy it and the Wii U version though aren't you, anon?
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>>260231734
You fucking bet.
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>>260231435
What is this "characters are mixed up" meme about, anyway? The characters are lined up horizontally by franchise, with clones at the bottom right. Don't claim they're disorganized just because you disagree with the organization.
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>>260231478
You really think they'll lock All Star mode from people? For three months? Why are you people grasping so hard for this to be the final roster when it litterally doesn't make sense to? No the esrb doesn't need to see the full roster, just questionable content. All star mode is locked in the video, fact. The roster is unorganized and not structured like any other fully unlocked smash roster.
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there was a guy last night who posted an idea about ridley and dark pit being both characters and stage bosses, which honestly now that i think about it sounds like it could totally work
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>>260231813
Here is the "full leaked" roster with everyone unlocked. Would you be satisfied with these either way?
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>>260229650
>things that will never ever happen
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>>260232003
>Meme
Doesn't even matter what you think right now since the roster ISN'T complete and everyone who's questioning the organization is right

>Clones together
>Gannondorf
>Toon Link
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>>260231327
I highly doubt that but you probalbly weren't serious
>>260231354
I dont see why they would need to see a progression. It makes more sense for the ESRB to see the full roster at once.
>>260231415
That still doesn't explain why he would show all but 5 characters
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>>260232184
Stop.
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>>260232059
The roster is not disorganized, look at it. The clones are the only characters out of place and they're all conveniently tucked in the same spot.
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>>260232059
No Smash roster looks alike. There's nothing wrong with how it is in the leak.
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>>260232184
>full leaked

Confirmed fake. Motherfucking Leaker was a troll.
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>>260232360
Make me
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>>260232301
Do you know what a clone is? Ganondorf and Toon Link are not considered clones. Toon Link actually never was.
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>>260231694
All star mode is locked, roster isn't aligned correctly, esrb does not need to see the entire roster, the people leaking things didn't give that 16 year old everything they had or knew. You are literally trying to bend reality and force the roster into having less than it actually will. Why?
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>your face when wolf and impa

>>260216748
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>>260231707

LOOK

AT

THIS.
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>>260232592
Holy shit.

You fucking think Toon Link is ANY different than what Lucina and Dr.Mario is?

You must be fucking retarded.
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Who is the guy next to yoshi?
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>>260232649
>aligned correctly
Stop this. At least fucking explain whatever bullshit you mean.
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>>260232336
Who knows how many characters are left
We just know there's more
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>>260215343
>1 second on the bomb
>bananas
so we can conclude that
>he's going to drop a bomb in a day about a DK rep
yup, yup
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>>260231707
>>260232861
Yeah after he admited to lying about DLC characters. If they werent in the ESRB disk (his only source) then how could he know about them?
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>>260232832
yeah no both of those renders are shit
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>>260232869
I don't even think Dr. Mario is anything like Lucina is.

Lucina is the only "Pure" clone that we've seen, meaning the only thing that's different besides her appearance are "passive" things like hitboxes and frame data.
Dr. Mario, Toon Link, Falco, (assuming he's in) Lucas, and Dark Pit all have attacks and specials that make them different from their originals.
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>>260225929
>cha-cha & kayamba
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>>260233321
That's not the same guy. MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER was the 4chan DLC guy and was confirmed fake. This guy was posting Shulk and Bowser Jr.'s movesets on ribbit before the videos were even shown.
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>>260232649
I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to free you from your pathetic delusions. No, we don't know how All Star mode is unlocked this time around, or if the locked All Star Mode was on the same save file. No, Nintendo would not risk hiding 5 characters from the ESRB for absolutely no gain when they could show everything. No, you can't confirm shit by analyzing what whether the pictures look "correct" and you have never been able to.

You are a manchild willfully believing schoolyard myths, and I need you to grow up.
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>>260232983
If this roster is complete then it should look something like this, with all the characters with their correct series, not all jumbled up as it is currently.
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>>260232592

>Toon Link actually never was.

Young/Toon Link were always clones.
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>>260228187
>deny video evidence
shit people say i swear
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>>260232869
>you fucking think that a character with altered physics, attack properties, ranges, hitboxes, and stats is ANY different than a reskin with altered sweetspots on their attacks?

>you must be fucking retarded

this is what retards actually believe
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>>260232003
>meme
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>>260232869
Lucina is confirmed to be an exact clone of Marth except that she lacks a sweet spot on her sword. Toon Link actually has zero moves identical to Link's.
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>>260232397
They all look alike when it comes to the select screen. Everything is organized by series with characters being next to characters from their respective franchise. That's how it has been in every game and there is no reason for that to change now especially when it is so easy to fix.
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>>260233451
Using your own example. Then why isn't Falco with them either?

They're all clones doesn't matter if they're pure clones or not because you clearly just said Lucina is the only one of that category so far. It doesn't make sense that 3 other clones are separate from the "clone pile"

Whatever it doesn't even matter since the roster is incomplete
shit will probably fix itself when it gets to 100%
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So I was wondering, if the ESRB was only sent videos of ingame footage, particularly the most potentially offensive content, why did those videos have to include the character select screen? Surely nothing offensive would be there?
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>>260233970
So is it a coincidence to you that the three characters separate from their franchise are the three most obvious clones? That's 100% by chance?
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>>260234465
The roster is pretty fucking offensive
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>>260234715
heh
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>>260232363
>Every smash has kept characters near their franchise.
>Yoshi inside the Mario franchise when he's always been repping Yoshi titles.
>clones have always been with their franchise, not a clone corner.
>large spaces at the bottom when melee only had one on each side for random select convenience
>Game n Watch nowhere near the retro characters, way up by Mario series for no reason
>Bowser jr. not by Bowser

The css is a mess and ignoring it just to try and kill peoples hope for more surprises is stupid and borderline petty.
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>>260234715
I actually laughed
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>>260234349
Because Falco is not considered a clone, he's a pseudo-clone or whatever. Whether you agree with the distinction or not it exists, because Luigi was not considered a clone in Melee.
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>>260232491
There was a leak weeks before that underaged asshole leaked anything that matches up perfectly with Bowser jr, dhd, doc, dark pit, and Shulk.
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>>260234465
Im glad you asked anon! If you look on their website they state that all locked content must be viewable, even if it wont be on the retail copy.
http://www.esrb.org/search/ratings/ratings_process.jsp
Sorry, this probably means we already know the full roster.
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>>260234518
No it's probably designed that way. The point is there is no reason it has to be disorganized like this when it can easily look like it should as shown here >>260233653.
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>>260233647
You can keep believing what you like. You made up far more bullshit in that post than those explaining why there being more is likely.
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>>260235232
Things not shown in a video can be disclosed through text documents sent with it.
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I don't understand why people think yoshi's placement is weird
yoshi is a mario character, and he's inbetween two other mario characters
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>>260235232
Incorrect, it actually says locked pertinent content that is not playable
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>>260235021
this is the first smash with customization and there are more firsts for this smash that i am too lazy to list, why would a little roster order change be so unbelievable?
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>>260211831
Sounds like you got trolled, I'm so sorry
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>>260235563
Because in Smash he is considered part of his own series. He has an egg icon, not a mushroom and he has never been stuck in the middle of the Mario characters before, just next to them.
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>>260235563
in every other smash game yoshi has been separate from the mario characters, with his own symbol and everything
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>>260233043
>know
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>>260235232
Locked pertinent content that is not playable, think hot coffee gta sa. Read it better next time.
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>>260235704
Because it looks shitty. It would be one thing if it was an improvement but having the final select screen look like this is just lazy since it can easily be rearranged to look good.
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>>260235704
Exactly. A lot of people and delusional Ridleyfags ITT will say 'muh patterns', but it just doesn't make sense that HAL would send ESRB an incomplete roster
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>>260210495

>5+2+10+3+9
>Some how less than or equal to 33
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>>260235232
>a DVD that captures all pertinent content, including typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, along with the most extreme instances of content across all relevant categories. Pertinent content that is not playable (i.e., "locked out") but will exist in the game code on the final game disc must also be disclosed.

I dunno man, nothing about that sounds like character select screens need to be shown. There's nothing extreme about them.
I actually don't care about the roster at this point, I'm just curious and want to play the damn game.
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>>260235802
>>260235814
out of curiosity, what is rosalina's icon? if it's a mushroom then yeah I see what you mean now
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>>260235929
If you motherfuckers want to take in this leak
Then you're going to have to take in all of it
as far as the leak itself is concerned we know this isn't the full roster
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>>260236005
It is a mushroom, as is Bowser Jr.'s.
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>>260235354
That's not any more organized, it's just organized differently. You put "retro" characters on the bottom instead of 3rd party characters and decided NOT to organize clones in a separate way. You can't conclude that a roster is fake because Sakurai decided to organize things differently.

I don't understand why you nerds don't just give up trying to "analyze" leaked pictures for discrepancies or whatever. You're not Phoenix Wright, you're just some worthless manchild who can't admit his favorite videogame character isn't in Smash Bros.
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>>260235814
>>260235802
In this roster characters are ordered by order of appearance.
All of the mario characters (from mario to wario) are in the order they appeared.
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Some "leaker" late last night throughout the POTD's post time claimed the last characters were Ridley (slightly smaller than bowser without wings, constantly hovers, is kind of like wolf), Mewtwo (exactly like Melee version), Dixie (Diddy "clone"), and Isabelle (I think a Villager "clone"). I could be missing one, but again theres not proof, just another text based leaker who claims to be from NoA
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>>260236098
Yeah I checked footage of the invitationals. Well this just confirms even more that ridley has a chance
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>>260235682
it says "a DVD that captures all pertinent content, including typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, along with the most extreme instances of content across all relevant categories. Pertinent content that is not playable (i.e., "locked out") but will exist in the game code on the final game disc must also be disclosed". They are basically saying that ALL pertinent content, EVEN (not only) if it is locked must be disclosed. The entire roster is pretty pertinent.
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>>260233043
>We just know there's more
Someone is making a collage of this, right?
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>>260236285
I organized the same as every Smash game rather than a random hodgepodge. And really? You gotta resort to petty insults now?
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>>260235998
I don't get it
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>>260236362
Rosalina appeared after Bowser Jr. though. And Wario appeared before either of them.
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>>260236362
>rosalina
>appeared before Wario
gr8 b8 i r8 8/8
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>>260236003
I'm in law school, I read lawyer speak everyday, they are using the most encomposing language possible to make sure all their bases are covered.
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>>260236438
Pertinent to the rating, a few pictures won't matter
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>>260236362
you're reatarded
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>>260228059
Thanks anon!
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>>260235996
Sakurai hates leaks and he KNOWS it will leak one way or another. It is entirely possible he withdrew some characters that would not set off the esrb and still keep some characters secret in the worst case scenario.
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>>260236540
>You gotta resort to petty insults now?
Factual statements aren't petty, anon. And organizing consistently by franchise with clones and 3rd parties separate is not a "random hodgepodge".

See this post for further information:
>>260236438
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>>260227387
Can he blame us? It's leaker's fault, we're the victims here.
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>>260236808
then why show a roster at all? think about it form their perspective, if you were hired to review a fighting game, wouldn't you want to see the entire roster?
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>>260236438
Go look up the word disclosed. Then think about the word how. You'll get what they mean.
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>>260237056
Having Yoshi randomly in the middle of the Mario characters is though. That's not organized, it's just shit.
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>yoshi isn't a mario character
is this is the new maymay? he no longer has an egg, he has a mushroom
It's right here on the site http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/yoshi.html
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>>260206152
If Ridley doesn't look at least a little scary, he isn't worth it.
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>>260237074
No, I'd want to see gameplay. And we don't know why the roster was there, it may be a separate leak or just part of a video covering gameplay
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>>260236701
Wario represents Warioware like Yoshi represents his own games
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>>260237236
Yoshi is a Mario character. It made no more sense to have him separate than it would to have Luigi separate because of the Luigi's Mansion games.
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>>260237290
But that's an egg.
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>>260237290
epic
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So was the Mewtwo, Mach Rider, Ridley and Dixie rumor true or not?
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>>260213141
>>260213963
But why? What will his moves be? I mean, it would have been cool if he was "NES: The Character" but that's already kinda Pac Man's deal.
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I don't know why everyone thinks one shot of the video means it's the full roster. We've seen that in other parts of the video it has trophy's collected from different times (from very early game to endgame) based on the max trophies collected. Is it unreasonable to believe that the select screen and other characters are shown at other points in the video? There's too many unknowns here.
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>>260237290
you got me anon, I looked

but still, CSS confirmed shit
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>>260237462
Fake.
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>>260237462
100% false. We're getting exactly what's in the OP's pictures and not one thing more.
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>>260237462
http://imgur.com/a/4cgoP
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>>260237318
Melee intro Ridley wasn't scary and pretty on par with how he's always looked.
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>>260237074
These people don't play videogames usually. To them there is no difference from Charizard clawing someone and Ridley clawing someone. They just need to see things that affect the rating.
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>>260237603
that's incorrect
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>>260203709
>>260215219
>>260216173
There's definitely something weird going on with Ridley. I'm almost certain he won;t be playable, but it seems like he has to be in there somewhere. Just throwing out my guess: he is the big bad of this game's story mode, if there is one.
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>>260236394
To be honest, I always saw another animal crossing character as a possibility since it has like 5 games in its series. Plus, at the end of the villager trailer it shows tom nook walking up to the invitation, which could possibly be a teaser
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>>260237462
The part stated by the underaged kid was him piggybacking off another leak which came out weeks before his. It's possible but people will try to crush your hopes by saying the shitty organized roster and locked all star mode totally means it's the final roster for l'epic lels.
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>>260222276
>He didn't play Gamecube-era Spyro
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>>260237462
I would bet that those guys are in besides Mach Rider. Nintendo would have to put Mach Rider in the video because he would probably use weapons like Snake which would up the rating. The others could get by being similar to characters already shown
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>>260237968
nope, tom nook is in his final smash
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Who's right /v/? Red or Blue/Black?
http://i.imgur.com/SvOPJH1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dpmUEvw.jpg
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>>260237208
I know what disclosed means, what I don't know is what you're trying to say. I'm going to assume your implying that the "secret 5" were disclosed in another form or not disclosed at all. That just isnt very logical, again I must point out that this is an all or nothing situation, he either gives them the full roster or no roster at all.
>>260237347
Well dont put that on your resume to the ESRB. Do you remember the Hot Coffe incident? The ESRB is a paranoid group of folks, considering how important a roster is to a fighting game it makes perfect sense that the ESRB would want to at least have an idea of who will be on it.
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>>260237558
Because Nintendo does not conspire to hide content from the ESRB you absolute retard. That's just not how it's done. If they showed 48 characters then 48 characters is what we're getting.
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>>260224178
Jesus Christ, I just realized how hard it is to find anyone specific on this thing. Fuck it, they should just be arranged alphabetically.
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>>260202493
>>>/mlp/
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My favorite part about this leak is imagining the gigantic mental breakdown of samurai knowing he can't deliver his piece de la resistance to smashfags in reveal trailers. Now that people see this mediocre roster, less people are going to buy this game, and he won't have enough money to finally finish his sex change operation.
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>>260237898
You're almost certain the one character that's been alluded to yet not once stated by name totally can't be playable because of a tiny shadow and Sakurais implication? Serious question.
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This obviously isn't real but it's a clearer picture.
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>>260238250
Or the people leaking shit didn't give out everything? You're reaching as much as anyone else here, pal. The css isn't finished. Accept it or not, it's no skin off my dong.
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>>260238284
All Star mode was locked.
Your argument is now gone.
Have a nice day.
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>>260238562
I don't think he'll be playable because he wasn't on the leaked roster and with all the people who would cream their pants if he was announced as playable, I feel like Sakurai would've released info by now. It sounds weird, but it feels like he's got to be more important than playable. If he was a boss or stage hazard, there's no reason he'd have been teased at like that and then never mentioned again.
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>>260238284
Again, the ESRB only needs to see all PERTINENT content and information of the game. They don't care how many monkeys throw bananas or that there are multiple dragons that breath fire are in the game just that at least one does.
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>>260238230
>jojo avatars
They're all wrong.
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>>260238558
I'm pretty sure the roster isn't finished. He can't possibly think all those cuts and clones and no other major surprise would make people happy.
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>>260223586
>imgur.com/a/PzeCw

>No Mr. Game & Watch
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>>260238931
I could easily parrot that phrase back at you, but you are right about one thing, this is ASSUMPTIONS: the thread but at least my assumptions are based on logic and not conjecture. Of course having said that I must admit that the blank spots are an eyesore
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>>260239232
The roster wasn't fully unlocked, anon. All star mode.
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>>260235227
Post source. I'd like it to be true but I still want to see proof.
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>>260238589
I know this is supposed to be the final roster layout and I'm fine if that's all the characters, but that entire layout looks lazy as hell. If there are 49 slots including random, would it have been so fucking hard to do a 7 x 7 grid? It just doesn't make sense. This isn't as lazy as MK8 not having proper battle arenas or even an options menu, but it's pretty fucking lazy.
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>>260239232
This is probably comeuppance for the Brawl leaks. He has the ONE thing people want more than anything else, and he is keeping it in the closet until Christmas because he doesn't like his games leaking.
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>>260239318
when each of those monkeys are a playable character they do care. lets not forget that this is a fighting game, or party brawler, point is that the characters are one of the main focuses in this game, it is PERTINENT
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Hear me out, IF the whole All Star Mode being locked means anything, then that means that whatever the last few characters are, they are inconsequential to the ESRB.

What I mean is, as I understand it, you send a game to be reviewed by the ESRB, it needs to have the most intense footage of the game, or the most "sensitive' so that they may base their rating on that. Meaning that the last few characters are sure to not alter the E10 or T rating for the game (which is why they didn't bother unlocking them or anything, possibly due to time constraints or builds), ruling Ridley out given that he has a chance of affecting the rating.
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>>260239647

A 7x7 grid would squish the boxes more vertically which they might have disliked more than having a nice rectangle arrangement.
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Which characters are they revealing in the friday direct?
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>Sakurai was worried that the esrb would leak whatever sent to them
>he kept what he could hidden just in case
Truly the hero videogames need ;_;7
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>>260239546
Ours is based on logic too, people just handwave it going muh patterns. The css is unlike all other Smash games and all star mode was locked.

Your logic is that esrb must see everything (wrong) and a picture of a css that you have no idea when it was taken. Neither of us can say for certain, but I think there's more characters.

It's not cause I'm an anything-fag either. Regardless of what the characters are, it just seems to me there are more.
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>>260240094

>Americo
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>>260239075
>implying that's relevant with the debug menu interfering
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>>260240094
>He believed the fake twitter
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>>260239549
that is the only piece of evidence that supports that there are more characters but it is shaky evidence. you are assuming that the screen for the all star mode was from the same save as the one with the character screens. odds are this disk was put together in a hurry and they used multiple sources for the image
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>>260239549
What the fuck do the people who keep saying this mean? They needed to show the ESRB the whole playable roster. Please elaborate on why All-Star mode changes anything.
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>>260239832
Not really, these people don't give a shit about the difference between Diddy and Dixie. They only care if a character will DIRECTLY affect the rating (Wario, Snake, and Mach Rider being examples)
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>>260200178
I believe this more than the actual leak.
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>>260239456
He's not a game though, he's like a fucking LCD clock you dumb fuck.

That list is probably going off of who appeared on the NES
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>>260240438
>Confirmed for not playing smash ever
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>>260240161
I can imagine he's the kind of guy who loved how just about everything was a mystery until the game was released back before the internet got big. I don't know about you guys, but I had no god damn idea who any of the secret characters were in Melee until I actually unlocked them.
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>no mii

stop reposting this fake shit
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>>260240598
he was a video game AND a clock
>GAME
>AND
>WATCH
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>>260240438
Just like in Melee (and Brawl, iirc), All-Star mode is ONLY unlocked when you unlock the entire roster. And it's because All-Star mode involved going against every single character.
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>>260240640
In every Smash game prior, All Star mode consists of battles against the playable roster. If you're so autistic that you can't properly describe your thoughts, just say so so I can know to ignore your replies.
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>>260240248
I would really like Mewtwo in Ridley to be in Smash, that would be my dream come true but I'm not going to hold out hope blindly. I'm taking these leaks at face value but like you said, no one can be certain. We will just have to ride this out for a few more weeks. For the record though I hope I am wrong and you are right.
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>>260240695
Me too, it was fucking amazing. I shat a brick when Mewtwo challenged me. Same with Marth because I had read about Fire Emblem in some magazine.
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>>260240695
I was surprised as well even though I knew about Jiggs, Luigi and Ganondor. The fact that I had expectations and the game was even beyond those made it even sweeter.
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>>260239847
Ridley to the esrb is no different than Charizard, especially depending on design. Try as you might you aren't going to break any Ridleyfan spirit.
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>>260240905
I'm going with this, the fact people claim to know the intricacies of what's really going on is so fucking stupid. All we know is that a roster and a video of gameplay featuring leaked characters were shown, and that's all people should go on. We know that in the past, All-Star Mode has only been unlocked when the full roster is, so we can make assumptions. Then people start the whole "well according to my dad at the ESRB, they need the full roster, a copy of Sakurai's Costco membership, a sworn affidavit, etc." which is cockshit. Either source proof or go back to gamefaqs, people.
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>>260237290
1"/10>>260237290
10/10 made me check haha
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>>260213764
Saukurai is the leaker
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>>260240905
This on top of the wonky placement of characters in the select screen (Dr. Mario not next to Mario? Do you have no respect for my autism?) are what make me think this isn't all of them.
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How has Japan reacted to these leaks? Are they all shouting AMERICA TIME like we shouted JAPAN TIME? Do they not know? Are they jsut saying >america >smugface.jpg
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>>260239321
>IMPLYING
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>>260241779
i remember reading that the nips dont think its a western leak cause there is no Rildey
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>>260240273
And people believing there are more characters are the delusional ones?

>>260240993
Fair enough. Still, if it's silly to take Sakurai at face value, why take a leak at face value? Other than Bowser jr and Shulk, we've got little to be clear about.

I understand your pessimism. This is the first time on this whole ride I felt there was truly something more to it than what we know. Sure it makes me think Ridley has a shot but if not him I still think there's more. If I'm wrong, oh well, but at least I'm a bit excited still.
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>>260239847
how do you know that Ridley wasn't shown at some other point in the video? we haven't actually gotten to see everthing that was sent to the ESRB. The only evidence I think that holds significance is the early 4chan post that mentioned Bowser Jr and DHD, because I don't think someone would randomly guess those two and hope that they eventually get leaked in order to spread confusion. The guy didn't even attentionwhore like most fake leakers.
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>>260241743

I doubt Japan even knows we call it Japan Time.
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>>260242312
does anyone have a source to this leak?
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>>260242484
it's archived and was posted on the 27th of July; someone posted a link to it last night
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>>260237968
Well the idea is that Isabelle is the female face of Animal Crossing and just got revealed as DLC for MArio Kart so theres some possibility for her. she would also be an assist trophy as she was revealed as one and her unlockable requrements are to use her assisst as villager or use her assisst 10 times in total. still, just repeating what was said. not saying its the truth.
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>>260240967
>All-Star Mode
You seem to be too retarded
Here.
http://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/All-Star_mode
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>>260242484
>>260242706
http://archive.moe/v/thread/255219896/
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>>260240342
You're assuming the css image was from when it was fully unlocked. The haphazard arrangement of the css helps bolster the possibility that there's more to it too. We're both just talking in possibilitys but I fully believe a final fully unlocked css from Sakurai would not look like that one did, especially going by how melee and brawl handled characters like Yoshi and clones.
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>>260242880
that's too fishy IMO that someone comes on claiming to leak her the day she was revealed for Mario Kart. Lots of fake leakers like to give details like that guy did
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>>260239847
>see this orange dragon like character?
>there's a similar purple on in the game but he's not unlocked in the video

there's ways around it
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>>260243043
>http://archive.moe/v/thread/255219896/
hmm that is interesting. no one expected duck hunt dog
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>>260243043
>>Bowser Jr
>Fuck off and die.

every time
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>>260242003
>The entirety of Japan knows how much people want Ridley.
>all but one man
>Sakurai
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>>260241743

They're all pretty much saying:
>this is what happens when you let dumb americans have the game early
>americans shouldn't be trusted
>I hope the leakers go to jail forever

they're pretty pissed off at the leak for the most part, though I think it has more to do with the fact that they won't get to show off when they get the games in japan since everyone will know everything and wont care
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>>260243208
>come on man you know the rules, one dragon is fine, but TWO? you were already bordering with that "not dragon" turtle
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>>260244403
wow fuck the japs
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>>260191065
So why is dark pit srender different from the touch screen every other character shares the same image even dr Mario . Even the bottom render looks just like the first image result for dark pit. No special render. It makes me believe not all of this roster is true
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>>260244403

Seems about right they were livid Pokemon XY was leaked in the west too, they like to be the ones to leak things. Some sort of pride thing I guess.
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>>260244403
Do they think it's the full roster, or that it's incomplete?
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>>260244623
Besides. Dark pit mug is a mirrored mug of pit recolored
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