The best JRPG series is

Mother.

>>259607264
Kingdom Hearts

Golden Sun

>>259607264

Dark Souls

New Vegas

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Chrono Cross

>>259607264
Dark Souls.

Wild Arms

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Fire Emblem

Cave Story.

Paper Mario

Etrian Odyssey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNvAvGF2yKU

FInal Fantasy is the best.

Most of the hate comes from:

a) Overexposure/popularity
b) We've been playing it since we little and we've grown tired of it
c) Excessively high expectations
d) Lightning

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>>259608369
>Fire Emblem
>JRPG

>>259607264
one of those yea.

>RPG
>Pokemon
lel

Suikoden

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>>259609074

>SRPG is not a RPG

>>259607264
Dragon Quest

Yakuza

>>259607947
>one game is now a series

>>259607264
MegaTen, of course

>>259607264
Out of those you posted only one has an entire board dedicated to it.

The answer is clear

>>259609198
>SRPG is not a JRPG

>>259609306
I havent even played the series and I know how wrong you are

>>259607264
Pokemon

phantasy star ONLINE

>>259609052
Hate also comes from VIII and XIII being shit (among others) and misinfo by twats that the games require grinding and have emo protagonists.

Final Fantasy VI, VII, IX and to a lesser extent X do almost nothing wrong and blow every other JRPG out of the water in quality and production value.

>>259609614
It doesn't have its own board because it's good. It has it's own board to contain the furries.

>>259607264

Dragon Quest is the least bastardized so let's go with that.

I'm more of a Dragon Quest fan.

Stories tend to be a bit on the simple side but told in such a beautiful way that I always loved them.

Second maybe SMT. Mostly since I feel how they really know how to make a story feel so depressing but not in a annoying to play way.

>>259609194

Only Suikoden II is great, and that's only until Luca dies.

Suikoden I is a good game, but still primitive/unpolished.

Suikoden III had some very neat ideas, but it had more backtracking than a Metroid game.

I haven't gotten far Suikoden IV, but most people consider it the weakest.

Suikoden V is okay, but nothing special.

Hortez VII is best Suikoden

I would say Phantasy Star.

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>>259609721
i disliked the linearity of 10 but pretty much this
mfw 12 is my favourite even though i know it's objectively not even close to the best

>>259607264
on that chart?
smt

not on that chart?
atelier

>>259607264
The moonrune thing looks cool so let's go with that

>>259607264
Etrian Odyssey

>>259609721
>no mention of gameplay at all
Not everything is graphics pleb

Phantasy Star 2 had quite an interesting story line for its time.

Phantasy Star 1 was one of the first JRPGs to have a female protagonist.

>>259609691
>SRPG made in japan is not an JRPG

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Shit Megagay Tenseanus

>>259607264
Purse Owner

>>259607264
Dragon Quest or GTFO

>>259609306
Chrono trigger is a part of that series too you numbnuts

I'm very disappointed

Tales!

>>259609074

http://tanasmanor.net/sites/fe11/interview/interview1.html

>"’Ive put on a few years (laughing). Also, after Gyromite, to assist Nintendo in a way, I was involved in various titles including arcade games targeted for release in the U.S. We then started to work on simulation games. The first that came out was Nintendo Wars. With a new theme of making a simulation game in which players can see and enjoy a world from a RPG perspective, we started working on Fire Emblem. "

>>259607742
You only spoilered it because you know how fucking wrong you are.

>>259610453
If it's a JRPG then why are you calling it an SRPG?
:^)

>CTRL->F
>No SaGa

Casuals

SMT > Dragon Quest > Final Fantasy > Suikoden > Pokemon. Haven't played BoF or Phantasy Star games.

>>259610906
Whatever you say, hipster.

>>259610158
The problem with 12 is that it tried to be a giant open world but have a super linear story. But also that the writer quit half way in the game so the story feels half finish. If they somehow fixed those problems it could have been way better.

Honestly I never really understood why FF is considered the best JRPG series. I hate the NES games. SNES are cheesy fun for what they do. The PSX feel like they focus so much on story that the game really suffers. X and XIII are too linear to be enjoyable.

But that's just my opinion.

>>259610678
>two games is now a series

>>259610723
>>259607264
Yeah OP if you're gonna make Pokemon a choice at least introduce tales. I prefer DQ but still

>>259607264

>Star Ocean

Muh nigga! Star Ocean is one of the reasons the PSP was so worth it. Second Departure is a fucking fantastic game.

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Probably not the best, but overlooked? Definitely.

The best series is up in the air, but SMT is easily the worst longrunning JRPG series. The only good game to come from that shitpile of a franchise was Catherine, which is a spinoff of a spinoff.

>>259611565
That is one shitty opinion you have.

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>>259611565
What the hee did you just hee-ho say about me, you little ho? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Tokyo Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Amala, and I have over 3 hee-hundred-ho confirmed fuses. I am trained in bufula warfare and I’m the top fair-hee in the entire Tokyo armed forces, ho. You are nothing to mee-ho but just another random encounter. I will wipe you the hee-ho out with per-hee-cision the likes of which hee-has never been seen bef-ho-re on this Earth, mark my hee-ho words. You think you can get away with say-heeng that shit to me over the DDS-Net, ho? Think again, hee-ho. As we speak-ho I am contacting my secret network of spies across Tokyo and your IP-ho is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, ho. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life, ho. You’re hee-ho dead, kid. I can be anywhere, an-hee-time, and I can freeze you in over seven hee-undred ways, and that’s just with my Ice Breath. Not only am I extensivel-hee trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Tokyo Demon Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable hee off the face of the continent, you little ho. If only you could have known what un-heeho-ly retribution your little “clever” contact was about to bring down upon you, mayb-hee you would have held your hee-ho tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you YHVHdamn hee. I will ho fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, heeho.

>>259611565
/v/ continually showing its resoundingingly shit taste.

What is a good JRPG series to you?

>>259611393
Never was a fan of "From the New World." I feel they took away from a lot of what Shadow Heart was about. Which was more of a dark surreal world.

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>>259611565

Agreed

SMT is fedora: the franchise.

>>259607264
pre-XIII Final Fantasy

>>259611393
I have been meaning to actually look into this series. What is it?

>>259611809
Not if you go the law route. Stop this shameful display of dumb opinions.

>>259611842
you mean pre VIII right?

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>>259610020
There will never be a series with better husbandos ;_;

>>259611809
>Chaosfags posting Shadow the Edgehog while downing SMT

Completely typical.

>>259611936
You mean pre VI right?

>No Neptunia
>No ar tonelico
wtf OP

I like all of the Final Fantasy spinoff series more than any other individual JRPG series.

I like all of the FFT games, all of the Crystal Chronicles games (Bar Crystal Bearers), and the Chocobo Mystery Dungeon games were also fun as fuck.

Why don't other JRPG's do cross-genre spinoffs like FF does?

Tales Of

Bunch of shit games in this thread, I tell you hwhat

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>>259611565
>>259611809
bet you guys couldn't beat him and decided to rage quit

>>259611927
Just some fun RPG's inspired by horror.

>>259612273
Pokemon did it
LOL

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Pokemon easily has the best gameplay. It could be amazing if they changed the story/game formula

Valkyrie Profile before Covenant of the Plume

>>259612310

Nah m8, I never even played Nocturne. I played P3P first, and it was the worst game I've ever played. But I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried slogging myself through SMT 1, 2, and SJ before dropping the entire thing.

>>259612464
Its shit.

>>259612273

Because a series has to be popular enough to get spin-off series in the first place. I can't think of many besides Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Mario, Pokemon, and SMT.

>>259607264
Based DQ7&8 or GTFO

>>259612464
Pokemon has bad gameplay. The single player is absolute dog shit and the multiplayer is too grindy.

>>259612464
>Pokemon easily has the best gameplay.

It has the most potential, with all the variety in Pokémon, moves and abilities, but Nintendo goes out of its way to make the game non-competitive.

>>259612464
This has to be a pretend.
>generic storylines
>generic gameplay
>metagame that relies on dice rolls

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>>259607264
>Phantasy Star and Star Ocean
All you need left is Valkyria Chronicles and you're good to go, OP.

>>259607264
My favorite is Dragon Quest. Then again there aren't a whole lot of JPRGs that I've played and actually disliked that I can even remember.

Arc Rise Fantasia was fucking godawful though.

>>259612464

This. II's no Starcraft 2, but it's still a billion times deeper than Shit Megami Tensei.

I don't really know any JRPG series that are the "Worst" in my book. I mean, even Chaos Wars was pretty damn fun if you put on the Japanese dub.

The worst I can think of is probably the Spectral Force series, which is a shame because they have so many awesome character designs, so many interesting factions, and such a well-developed world that it's wasted on shit-tier stories with horrible gameplay.

>>259611981
>>259612310
I mean I love SMT but it's by no means the best JRPG series. It's great but it's more niche and takes certain people to appreciate because a lot of them have flaws, specially Starnge Journey when it comes to mechanics.

>>259607264
Skies of Arcadia.

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if you don't think Atelier is the tightest shit then get the fuck out of my face

>>259613243
How is Strange Journey mechanically flawed?

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>>259607264

Tales nigger.

Why is it not even in the list?

>>259607264
>FF
>not mother
what the fuck is wrong with you

Anything other than Shin Megami Tensei is wrongo.

>>259607264
SMT

>>259607264
How is dragon quest 8 on android? Are there any issues one should be aware of prior to purchasing it other than the obvious >android one?

>>259613397
I FF your Mother each night if you catch my drift

>>259613397
More like YOUR mother, AMIRITE?

>>259613389
Not a jrpg

>>259613389
I like Tales's gameplay, but man the stories get dumb.

Like, I feel like Abyss should have ending about five TWEEEEEEEEEESTS before it actually did.

>>259613512
no GOAT symphonia music, and I think there's no voice either but I might be wrong on this one

Earthbound is overrated trash.

>>259610197
but Smt isn't on that chart :^)

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>>259613389
because Star Ocean, the superior, is already on there.

>>259612309
>"just like my japanese animes" game with less depth than a common beat-em up and AI partners

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>>259607264

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The kiseki series

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>>259607842
>>259607958
>>259608369
>2014
>People still think JRPG refers to the location a game was made instead of the gameplay

Dark Souls - Action RPG
Fire Emblem - Strategy RPG

>>259613982
>AI partners
Game is multiplayer you numbnut

>>259614079
Wizardry is a japanese role playing game

>>259613982
>An anime-inspired game is bad because it's anime-inspired

Worst criticism of anything, and I have never enjoyed any Tales game.

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>>259613147
I'd like to nominate this one for worst.

Extremely Slow combat
Unavoidable slow combat
Dungeons are full of these boring encounters.

I really wanted to like the game.

Phantasy star, cause it's a trend setter.

Phantasy Star 2 + PSO influence >98% of jrpgs

>>259607264
Most consistent? Dragon Quest. Best? There isn't one. They're all too different to really compare.

>>259614179
right, because any of us have friends that will sit through an 80 hour jrpg with a cliche story.

>>259614079
>Wizardry is a JRPG
Kill yourself.

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>>259607804
>Golden Sun

Not even close

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>>259613687

It's whole series of action RPG's made in Japan, how is it not a JRPG but Star Ocean is? Star Ocean as it was is a copy of Tales' combat system, developed by people who left the team that developed Tales of Phantasia because they got involved with Namco or some shit like that.

>>259613727

Story tends to be their weakest aspect, but the combat, worlds, and characters are good usually, as well as side quests/other things to do like cooking and synthesis.

>>259607264

Ys series. Fast paced action and great boss fights.

>>259614397
I played almost the entirety of Graces f with my gf.
I miss her

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>>259614359
I just want Sega to finish and localize the Sega AGES remakes...

Mario

>>259613368
It's a dungeon crawler, especially one with bullshit bosses

>>259613973
Star ocean is trash

Just deal with it faggot

SMT

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>tfw there will never be another game with writing as perfect as this ever again
Every single emotion I could think of were expressed to their fullest at at least some point, the characters were all fucking awesome, and Chapter 3 was fucking genius. Like I used to think Chapter 3 was the only bad chapter in the game, but then when I thought about it more it's the perfect example of mechanics as metaphor. When you're grinding in the beginning you connect with Salsa so fucking much with how much tedious work he's being put under as a slave who can't speak up for himself because he's a monkey, then later when you're delivering those boxes around Tazmily you don't even realize what you're doing until the second half of the game where Tazmily starts falling apart because technology is ruining the town and the environment. Technology that YOU, THE FUCKING PLAYER were forced to give them.
It's art. It's fucking art. I almost never say this about vidya and I hate the faggots who constantly spam "VIDEO GAMES ARR ART" everywhere but this is pure fucking art.

>>259612464
>Pokemon easily has the best gameplay
I'm sorry, what?

>>259613757
Would I be missing out on much? I prefer my jrpgs to have no voices, as there always seems to be an annoying chick who won't be quiet.

>>259612464
>Extremely watered down SMT gameplay
>best

son, please.

>>259614718
>it's bad because it's a dungeon crawler, which the entire franchise is
>it's bad because the bosses are hard

>>259614493
Well not if you're into fighting mechanics.
Level design is fantastic and engaging. And that's what I value.

are all the Tales of games connected?
should I skip any?
i've never played any of them but I feel like getting into a series and you guys all talk about it a lot

>>259614841
The Music is great so it's a shame, but the voices you can perfectly do without. Get it

Final Fantasy

At least as far as that image is concerned.

>>259613973

You best be joking nigger.

The only Star Ocean that was good was 2.

>>259614841
>playing DQVIII with no "COR BLIMEY!"
Damn shame.

>>259614748
I like the mother series. But you could not sound like a bigger faggot if you tried.

>>259615032
None of them are connected beyond Symphonia/ Phantasia(Only the setting) and Xilia/Xilia2. Play them all, they each have something which makes them shine. Even Legendia, which is typically the most passed over/ignored has a godlike soundtrack, a very beautiful world, and a very good supporting cast.

>>259615032

Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Symphonia are connected (Symphonia being a prequel to the events in Phantasia), but aside from that, no, unless it's a direct sequel like Xillia 2, or Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World (avoid that one)

>>259614748
The Mother series was never anything more than overrated trash.

>>259609191
Are you dumb?

>implying any of those approach the final fantasy series

Then again, it did go way downhill after 10

>>259615032
skip all of them and play a good beat-em-up like yakuza

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>>259613368
The terrible way you don't even get to distribute points when you level up, Very formulatic find material so you can pass this hidden door, the anti-human enviromental themes feel to forced but I shouldn't complain about that since it's a major theme of the game but it makes demonc onversation anoying "what should humans do now that they fucked up the world" while in other games it's not blatantly thrown at you but you witness it how terrible humans are by seeing their actions like SMT4's when you reach that underground place and in Devil Survivor 2 how panic increases crime rate.
Maybe since I come off Devil Survivor and SMT4 I should expect the fusion system to not be as free but having to gather demon data cores being the only way to pass down skills properly makes fusion feel really tedious.
I can complain about the saving system in the dungeons but you get used to it and I love how annoying the dungeons are because that's what dungeon crawling in about.
Also the extra almighty element attack attack tag sytem in battle sucks. Doesn't help much in boss battle and limits team variety forcing to use demons of same alignment. I don't get why some SMT fans complain about press turn system

>>259607264
FF really, it's the cream of the crop as far as Jrpgs go.

>Tales of fans shitting up a JRPG thread

every time

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>>259615447
>Mother
>overrated
I really fucking hope you're shitposting.
If not you really need to leave. Pokémon is overrated. Persona is overrated. Final Fantasy is overrated. You never fucking hear anyone talk about Mother outside of /v/.

>>259615821
>Pokémon is overrated.
>Persona is overrated.
>Final Fantasy is overrated
Yes.

>Mother outside of /v/.
And here its held up as a good rpg. Its really just garbage.

>>259615330
>>259615440
alright cool.
i'll just do them all, except Dawn of the New World.

>>259614718
That pretty much describes most SMT games though

>>259615946
No it isn't.
At this point I don't even care if you're shitposting, I'm just pleading for you to stop because some newfag who never played it is gonna read your shitposts and think that this is a legit opinion and lose the chance of a lifetime to have a fucking amazing experience.
Just stop.

>>259616271
I've played through all 3.
They are crap.

>>259616271
As opposed to some newfag forcing himself to enjoy a shit game because you said so?

>>259615592
>The terrible way you don't even get to distribute points when you level up
The game is balanced around this, so it's not actually a flaw.
>Very formulatic find material so you can pass this hidden door
Not really, considering there is plenty of back tracking to be done and optional areas all over the place.
>the anti-human enviromental themes feel to forced
They're not forced consideering that they are a major part of the franchise. Again, your preference, not something which is wrong with the game.
>Demon sources
It's a good system, and certainly much more free than the one in Devil Survivor 2. It allows you to get any skill on any demon. They are also optional, you don't have to use them to beate the game.
>Co-op system
It helps a lot, especially during bosses like Ouroboros and Jack. You can get some insane damage every turn for free, how is that not helpful? Also you have a choice whether to get a demon you want which happens to be a different alignment or keep the co-op attack. The combat system is also more exciting than getting press turns because there is an element of uncertainty when it comes to attack order.
>saving system
Become proficient, mi8

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>>259614907
>Pokemon
>watered down SMT

>>259616351
>>259616436
Look, I get it, you're having a shitty day or something and you need to vent. I get you. This is just not the topic to shitpost about, though, you just don't do it. It's like kicking a puppy because your shitty gf just broke up with you. Stop.

>>259616646
I'm not gonna stop posting these iron clad arguments because you are too sensitive too face it.

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SMT is my favorite easily.

I've put the most time into Pokemon though.

>>259616646
wow it's not like anyone cares

>listening to opinions on /v/

go to /vr/ if you want to advertise this shit

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>>259616739
>iron clad arguments
You cheeky little shit.

>>259616646
Stop that anon. Golly.

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>>259616625
>monster collecting
>elemental weaknesses

it's true though, anon

>>259616995
When you get a little older and realize how overrated it is, you can come back to me and say "Goddamn it brother you were right again, are you ever wrong?"

>>259617029
Pokemon did not invent monster collection, nor did it invent elemental weaknesses(this is a basic in any RPG).

>>259612464
>pokemon
>best gameplay
Gameplay and fap material aren't synonyms you dumbshit
Pokemon waifus aren't even that good either

Etrian Odyssey

>>259617250
Misty is best.

>Star Ocean
I'm just glad people remember it. ;_;

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>>259617125
I'm way too old to be here already little dude.

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>>259617029
The only thing "watered down" compared to SMT is the difficulty
the battling mechanics themselves offer a lot more depth
I'm not saying either are bad, anon

>>259617336
Maybe in the anime.

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>>259607264
There can only me one

>>259617407
Some people take more time than others to mature mentally. I understand that.

>>259617519
Yes.

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>>259617538
Well you're going to do just fine then.

>>259607264

Romancing Saga

Games in general and especiallY RPGs become shit as soon as they take themselves too seriously

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>>259617519
fuck that

>>259618073
Just like Mother

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you can tell who hasn't played SMT because they're naming anything else.

1. Etrian Odyssey
2. Dragon Quest
3. SMT

>>259618159
switch DQ and SMT and you might be my nigga

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>>259618132
just like your mother

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>>259607264
>mfw Square couldn't find any Japanese people to code the first several Final Fantasy games
>they had to find an Iranian to do it for them

Japanese confirmed for being the Polacks of Asia

>>259616542
Not being able to distribute points, something I can do even in Soul Hackers is not a good idea. They could have still kept the balance of the game like they do in other SMT games easily, especially with the difficult bosses and the demon co-op system. You can't abuse magic since the MC can't learn any so distributing your points is not a bad idea. Hell, it's just randomizes on where each point goes to. You have to admit it's flawed around this.
You don't need the demon source codes to beat bosses and it certainly has more freedom than Devil Survivor games but passing down without it is pretty much tedious. I can't pass down resist ice to a demon weak to ice unless it's in a d-source but I can pass down resist fire to a demon already strong with fire. That's the whole point of the system where you have to use the demon sources if you ever want decent demons.
Still not a fan of the co-op system but we can just argue about that for hours.

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>>259614079
>2014
>people still think JRPG doesn't refer to the location a game was made.

>>259618363
Damn.

>>259610929
Play phantasy star 1 and 4 fuck everything else

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For me Dragon Quest.
Though it would be >>259607947 if it was more of a 'series'.

>>259610990
>too linear
You're in the wrong genre, pal

>>259610990
>Honestly I never really understood why FF is considered the best JRPG series.
Because it's so huge you can just chose one of its spinoff series
Don't like mainline FF, just play Crystal Chronicles which is almost dead ot the Tactics series

>>259618430
What difference does it make where it's made? What matters is what it does.

>>259610990
>why FF is considered the best JRPG series
Right place, right time with FFVII and its massive ad campaign and the jump from the 16 bit to 32 bit era.

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>>259618153
You can tell who has only played SMT since they actually think it should even be considered here

If religion talk was so taboo in the US why didn't Atlus just release their games on PC with the other 1st person RPGs?

Imagine how much more popular it would be if they didn't murder the PS1 translations or keep them from getting localized.

>>259612660
>P3P
>SMT

Pick one.

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>>259619695
>Japanese developers
>PC

>>259619695
Even with final fantasy budget jap developers can't into PC at all

>>259619020
>rpg made in west
>WRPG
>RPG made in Japan
>JRPG

It's that simple. That's how it's been for as long as I can remember. Why change a simple formula? JRPG is the overarching reference to RPGS made in Japan not the game itself. SRPG, CRPG, ARPG, etc. are all subgenres.

>>259619907
>>259619907
Okay maybe not, but why not give us the PS1 ports they made specifically to build up hype to Nocturne instead of poorly localized Persona games?

>>259609074
>>259609198
but what about FFT?

>>259610723
Winrar

Suikoden,Valkyrie Profile.
Where the fuck were my previous gen games?

>>259619020

are the old Ultima and Wizardry games JRPG's?

Why don't Western developers take a stab at modern day turn based RPG?

>>259610678
>guy says chrono cross
>not chrono series
okay.

>>259621147

Yes. Richard Garriott and the Sirotek Brothers are Japanese.

>>259621898
It would be a series if they never killed of the third game

>>259621431

Divinity: Original Sin

>>259622327
I mean modern day like Japan in SMT.

>>259614907

SMT is a watered down Pokémon, not the other way around.

Pokémon has much more complex moves and strategies.

>>259622856
>Pokemon
>Complex

>>259622990

>SMT
>complex

>>259623228
Where in my post did I mention SMT?

>>259623228
>Greentexting
>Complex

>>259622856
>>259623228
Most of us were mastering Pokemon when we were 10 nigga.

I'm getting destroyed in Ky?yaku Megami Tensei

>>259622432

Oh

Probably because Tokyo and Hong Kong are the only cities that look good when artists draw them

>>259607264

In the west? Easily SMT. Too many good games out.

>Dragon Quest
essentially dead, no real game since 8, even if 9 is okay
>Final Fantasy
Flat lined, may revive with 15, currently dead.
>Suikoden
dead
>Phantasy Star
dead
>SMT
basically dead now that based Kaneko is off art
>breath of fire
dead
>star ocean
youtube 'star ocean 4 nappy time'. Fucking dead.
>Pokemon
eh, it's alright

The best JRPG series right now is Atelier.

>>259624238
>SMT
>basically dead now that based Kaneko is off art

The best entry in the series came out last year.

>>259622856
SMT was made before Pokemon though
You can't really be a watered-down version of something if it doesn't exist yet

>>259624238
>Atelier
>good

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>>259607264
Grandia.

>>259622432
South Park TSOT
It's actually good
No seriously

But I would be interested in a turn based RPG in western cities.
It would be bizarre though
>walking around in city
>RANDOM ENEMY
>black mugger
etc

>>259624238
>The best JRPG series right now is Atelier.
Woah Anon, your opinion is suddenly heading straight towards a trash bin

>>259607264
Super Mario RPG and the Paper Mario series.

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SaGa

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>>259624238
>Shits on good franchises
>calls atelier the best

The SaGa series.

>>259625495
anon pls.

>>259615821
All of the Suikodens, except for 4 are fucking great. I don't know why anyone hasn't stepped forward to say Suikoden is the clear winner among these games, but I will.

>>259626256
Suikoden is dead and in the dirt.
FF is not.
Pokemon is not
Check and mate.

Tales of

>>259607947
I remember coming into Chrono Cross expecting something wonderful like Chrono Trigger. Instead, I got a convoluted mess with good music. I'll give Squaresoft points for trying to do something different but it feels like Chrono Cross ruined all the positive momentum Chrono Trigger built up.

One day I'll replay it to see if I'm just being too harsh towards it, but I have this feeling a second playthrough will just leave me thinking less of it.

>>259626379
It could make a return. I don't see why it couldn't unless there was press from the creators saying otherwise.

>>259626496
>expecting something wonderful like chrono trigger
I know that feel. Most people were expecting Chrono trigger 2 and we got butthurt and confused when we noticed it wasnt. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the game.
Also that fucking gorgeous music.

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>>259625712
You know it's true.

>>259609052
If it's supposed to be the best what's wrong with having high expectations?

>>259609052
I dunno, the last few entries to the series that I played were not very good. FF12/13..

>>259617464
Its stupid to compare Pokemon and SMT'S gameplays
>press turn system
>RNG and selective grinding

>>259612532
I loved VP and couldn't stand VP2 i got to some forest and just stopped playing.

>>259627450
Its easy to compare how shit both are

>>259625625
>good franchises that are fucking dead.

>>259627698
>An alive franchise is better because it's alive and thats all that matters

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>>259608369
>>259609074
>Fire Emblem
>Final fantasy tactics
>Not Disgaea
Woooooooow.

>>259627901
>Disgaea
>good.

>>259627901
>not all three of them
>>259627996
>disgaea
>bad

>>259627450
>rng isn't a factor in SMT
sure thing, buddy
>grinding
if you don't need to grind in SMT then I don't know what to say if you feel the need to grind in Pokemon
Press turn is a good system, I hope they'll try to expand on it in better ways than SMT4 did

>>259628119
Disgaea is shit.

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>>259628170
>Shit
Back to little games, anon.

I'm going to guess the series that were not debated in this thread are the correct answers? Good to know that everyone agrees SaGa has the best games.

>>259628170
Which Disgaea games have you played? Also how many hours did you log into each?

>>259628541
>big damage numbers are what makes a game good
yea sure, enjoy your grind faggot

>>259628780
>implying thats why people like Disgaea
confirmed for never having played the game

>>259628664
1(PS2)- played all the way through post game.
2(PSP)-played all the way through post game. NISA a shit for the DLC fiasco.

Tried 3 just got bored of the series and Disgaea's entire concept of post game.

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>>259629000
Well at least you played some of the games. I'm still going to disagree with you though.

>>259629282
Okay.

>>259628164
You really don't need to grind SMT because the battle system is built around exploits, wheras Pokemon is built around levels.

The gist of it is, Pokemon is designed for multiplayer, not for singleplayer.

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>>259628780
>Big numbers
Way to go to play the game, anon.

>>259624238
>The best JRPG series right now is Atelier.
As a JRPG fan, it's depressing that JRPG's are in such a low spot right now that someone can say that unironically.

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>>259630025
>Pokemon is built around levels.
you say that as if you're facing another human as smart and with an equal grasp on the mechanics as you in every battle. But the single player is against computer-controlled opponents, just like in any other rpg. If you think you can't overcome a gym leader with pokemon that have a level advantage of >10 you are sorely mistaken. All it takes is some kind of strategy, the simplest of which is to have pokemon with type advantages against the opponents, but is far from being limited to that.

In multiplayer, levels are automatically set to a certain point (yes, it wasn't always that way and that meant grinding everything to lv100, let us all be glad it's gone now) so again teambuilding and strategizing are what matters.

>>259607264
The only good Suikoden game is 2.

the only good thing about the rest is their music.

SMT

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>>259631390
atleast atelier has a fun system which challenges you and now all you babbies want to remove all the time shit from the game.

>>259633620
Not even SMT babby but your opinion is pretty shit

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>>259634074
>atelier has a system that challenges you

Top fucking kek. Next you're gonna say Neptunia has good gameplay

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>>259634380
its does when 99% of the people on /v/ that play the game say its too hard for them because there is a time limit, fuck you casuals.

>>259633620
>red blue green not shit

>>259633620
You got RGB and everything after backwards son

>>259633620
>the more generic, the better

>>259633620
>shit tier
>everything after RBG

someone's never played platinum/HGSS

>>259633620
>Intentionally excluding FF7
Please stop trying to be king hipseter, it isn't going to work.

>>259623387
>Most of us were mastering pokemon when we were ten

Some ill-informed asswipe clearly doesn't know about the deeper mechanics.

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>>259633620
>FF8
>god tier

>>259635749
>implying

have you seen the pokemon tournies? There's plenty of kids there. Don't try and make Pokemon seem that complex you retard. I love the series and it's really not as deep as you're trying to make it seem

I've got about 10% left on my SMT 4 download.
What the fuck am I in for? This will be my first 'JPRG' other than pokemon....

>>259607264
star ocean

>>259636073

You ever see any of those kids win? If you shut the fuck up, you'll hear crickets.

IVs/EVs and natures all have importance in competitive play. Kids don't know or care enough to know bout that shit. Same goes for the casuals who haven't touched the games since Red/Blue

>>259636273
a much darker, much harder pokemon
and then you beat medusa and it becomes a much darker, slightly harder pokemon

>>259635749
> the deeper mechanics of masterbating pokemon
clearly i need my eyes checked... or that breeding mechanic was much more complex yhan i thought

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>>259636554
I'm cumming

>>259636550
>kids don't know or care enough to know about that shit
>implying

seriously? They don't care enough? Have you been to any of these tournaments? Have you talked to them? Everybody knows about IVs/EVs and natures. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Once again. Stop trying to make Pokemon sound more complex than it actually is. You're not impressing anyone

>>259636910
be careful with that description though as it's kind of misleading. While it has similar combat in the fact that you're are exploiting enemy weaknesses, you don't just beat up a demon and then catch it with a net to get it into your party. You have to negotiate with the demons and SMTIV has a pretty random negotiate system compared to the other SMT games.

>>259637029
You're not impressing anyone by attempting pretend to have a clue what you're on about. Pokémon's not exactly complex, but to treat ivs, evs, and natures like they don't have a greater importance is asinine. Kids know about them, sure, but most aren't exactly wiz kids in regards to math around the ages of 8-10. So you can keep attempting to pretend that pokemon lacks any sort of depth when that's far from the truth, that's fine. Don't expect me to be around for your half-assed rebuttal.

>>259637441
I knew about the demon negotiating part actually. I was also told that you can combine them to make new ones.

>>259637935
Did I ever once say that they don't have greater importance? That's basically the whole point of building your party. However you're making it sound like this complex system when it really isn't.

>>259609052
I liked all of the FFXIII's and have platinumed them.

>>259637441
what's so random about SMT4's system? I found it to be more consistent than most older SMTs
Just give the demons what they want once or twice, (refuse once if they demand something ridiculous) then end talks and that usually works out. If you pour out your pockets every time and try to appease their every wish they're just going to tell you you're a dumbass and leave or attack you.

>>259640284
I must be really unlucky then because the patterns I was doing are the same as what you're suggesting and while they would almost never decide to attack me (sometimes they would out of fucking nowhere) they would just leave.

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Dragon Quest>SMT>Final Fantasy>Suikoden>Dragon Quest>BoF>Star Ocean>>Phantasy Star>Pokemon

Prove me wrong

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>>259641598
>Dragon Quest>X>X>X>Dragon Quest

What does this thread think about Fantasy Life?
It's obviously going to be a pretty laid back comfy game but what's your opinion?

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>>259607264
>tfw Suikoden 6 will never be a reality

>>259618430
TECHNICALLY yes, that's how it should work
But JRPG and WRPG are the most retarded of all the pigeonholed genres we have, so it makes more sense for turn based to be JRPG and action to be WRPG

>>259607264
Dragon Quest
Final Fantasy is also acceptable, it's a preference thing

But fuck anyone who says star ocean

>>259641938
I am personally very hype for it because I have about four friends who really want to play it, and I'm certain many people on /v/ will also get it. The concept is excellent, and thanks to the Treehouse, seeing it fleshed out in gameplay looks like it'll be a comfy as fuck Animal Crossing-styled RPG simulator. I have been waiting for a game where I can be every random NPC in a town and actually have a role which isn't just "Combat+X" or "Combat+Y". And seeing as how crafting classes are so shit at combat that they pretty much rely on hiding behind warrior/combat classes, it looks like it wants to make everybody serve a truly unique role.

I intend to do a pure Tailor run.

>>259636273
delete it right now and play Nocturne

>>259642117
>It makes more sense for turn based to be JRPG and action to be WRPG

No it doesn't, especially considering the first action RPG was Japanese, the first turn-based RPG was Western, and there is such a variety of both in the industry that it is overall retarded to label either as such.

Just because the only JRPG you know about is Final Fantasy and the only WRPG you know abotu is Skyrim doesn't mean that is a solid fact of life.

>>259641938
I'm fucking pumped
I just heard about it about a week ago but from the trailer it looks like animal crossing with something to do.
I love harvest moon and I've always wanted to like Animal Crossing, but I eventually end up time jumping for more things to do, and this game seems like the perfect balance

>>259607264

Not Suikoden because it only has one legitimately great game and the rest just border on good

Not Star Ocean because every game follows the same formula of using technology as a plot device rather than a setting. You dick around on medieval planets with human-looking aliens using not-magic in every game.

Not Pokemon because it's its own genre entirely.

Not Phantasy Star because the older games are so fucking dated in terms of gameplay and only the shitty mmo spinoffs survived

Breath of fire is eliminated not because it's a bad sereis but because Megaten, Dragon Quest, and Final Fantasy have had more quality titles/spinoffs.

My vote goes to Dragon Quest because it's still a name brand you can trust. You can even expect the spinoffs to be good. You can't say the same about Final Fantasy, it's gotten too bloated.

>>259642567
More often than not, Japanese RPGS are turn based. There's plenty of exceptions, but that's just how it is, and that's why the classifications we have are what they are.
I don't think they should be that way, I think we should get rid of the JRPG/WRPG classification altogether, but if we have to keep those then that's what makes sense.
Watch the 3 episode series extra credits has on the difference between Western and Japanese RPGs and learn a couple things faggot

>>259643248
>More often than not

This isn't a focused rule which helps determine things. Use the distinction ARPG, TBRPG, SRPG, etc. to discuss actual play genre, and WRPG/JRPG to discuss regional differences. Tales of Symphonia is not a WRPG. Kingdom Hearts is not a WRPG. Chantellise and Recettear are not WRPGs. Wizardry is not a JRPG. Fallout is not a JRPG. X-Com is not a JRPG. Distinguishing the two by the degree of action in the mechanics is beyond retarded. The only solid thing you could possibly argue between the two are visual themes, and even then, it's not 100% solid.

Every ARPG has real-time action mechanics. Every TBRPG has turn-based menu-focused combat mechanics. Every SRPG has grid-based/multi-unit control over a combat map against an opposing party. "JRPG"s are not all turn-based, "WRPG"s are not all action-focused.

>>259617364
Only one comes out per console generation it seems.
I wouldn't say the story is bad, so much as the dialog and voice acting is awful.
Also, inb4 3's ending. No, fuck off with that. I personally thought it wasn't shit.

Regardless, the gameplay was always rather interesting. Definitely big games as you could play them for a long ass time before running out of shit to do.

Also, I'm not really sure why only one person has mentioned grandia.

I don't really think of Pokemon as a JRPG. It really doesn't feel like any of the other JRPGs I've played.

>>259644052
>SMT
>DQM
>Etc.

It's just got a focus on monster-collecting, as opposed to a solid human party.

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>>259633620
There's no way you could actually think FF7 is as bad as 13 or 10. It may have a comparable fanbase, but the game itself is one of the best in the series.

>>259642784
>You can't say the same about Final Fantasy, it's gotten too bloated

I don't think bloated is the word you wanted to use there. I could see "bloated" if they kept everything from the previous games.

But that is the thing about Final Fantasy; the name has been meaningless for longer than many of the current gen players have been playing. It really only means "RPG made by Square" anymore.

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>>259642026

It would be the easiest game in the series. It'd probably try to cash in on the Persona crowd too.

>>259644853

It's pretty obvious who the reigning king of RPGS is in Japan. It has and forever will be Dragon Quest. It pisses me off to no end that Square is holding back Dragon Quest in the west so that Final Fantasy can take root. I want those 3ds games, dammit.

>>259609852
Thread derailed

Demikids > Pokemon

>>259645703
Pokemon Gen IV-VI>Demikids>Pokemon Gen I-III

Purely in terms of mechanics.

>>259645582
How do you think they're holding it back? Haven't we been getting all of the main line games?

I haven't paid a lot of attention to DQ, mostly because it has the opposite situation of FF. The game stays true to it's roots. Aside from graphics tech, nothing really changes. The formula is the same, and I never really liked it in the first place.

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Not really a series, but Nippon Ichi's sRPG titles.
Devil Survivor is also really good; the best MegaTen series in my opinion.
Alice Soft games in general are also great.
The Atelier series also get a special place in my heart.

I don't really like Breath Of Fire, Dragon Quest and the Tales series.

>>259646664
I typically refer to Nippon Ichi's SRPG collective as the "NISverse", considering they all seem to connect in some way or another.

I really hate how everybody assumes Disgaea is just "HURR GRIND HURR BIG NUMBERS" without ever actually playing the games, while fellating FFT for its "Deep mechanics".

>>259646632
DQ 7's 3ds remake never left Japan. That's what your quoted poster is talking about. As for the mechanics, it does begin to drive people crazy after awhile if they didn't really like it to begin with.

>>259646632
>How do you think they're holding it back? Haven't we been getting all of the main line games?

Not DQ7 remake for 3ds
Not DQX

As far as spinoffs are concerned we haven't gotten DQMonsters 1& 2 or Rocket Slime for 3ds.

We haven't been getting shit.

>>259609191
It's an RPG whether you like it or not.
It's got stats that can be improved in various ways. Battles of course and to a certain degree, customization in terms of
Which pokemon you use. You actually have a lot of freedom in the.

I also like to consider Nintendo games to be different from Japanese games. I mean Mario and Zelda don't have the overly complicated as fuck designs and shifty dialogue.

>>259612464
Pokemon is just glorified rock paper scissors

>>259647416
Square Enix pretty much shafted the NA region after DQ 6 in terms of Dragon Quest games.

>>259646992
>I really hate how everybody assumes Disgaea is just "HURR GRIND HURR BIG NUMBERS"
But that's the main draw. That, and the wacky, borderline nonsensical characters/story.

I only played the first game, so maybe the others are better, but my experience with the first one was kinda heh. The combat is just alright. You attack or use an instant spell, every character you control has a go during each of your turns, then you end your turn and it's the opponent's entire turn, so it's not like you have to check the turn order and try to manipulate it or anything. Spells are instant (which I guess is a byproduct of how the turns work) which removes cast times and "shoving" spells in between certain turns. Throwing is kinda cute and fits in with the silly tone of the game but ultimately amounts to fuck all in terms of added depth. The geopanels are a neat system in theory, but throughout the game they're either inconsequential or used for terrible gimmick maps like that map where you have to destroy invulnerability panels in the corners of the map while taking damage every turn and facing invulnerable poisonous enemies. The item upgrade system is the most ridiculous padding I've seen in a game (clearing randomly generated levels to upgrade an item). There's some neat stuff, like creating a new character and having the "mentor" learn its spells, but that's just the "grinding" aspect that attracts people.

>>259607264
Yokai watch

>>259649254
lel
when did you last play pokemon? 1998?

SMT has a lot of total shit games in the franchise.

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>>259607264
The only JRPG series I play anymore is DQ so Ill go with that.
Yes I imported a 3DS.

>>259650503
>Spell/Attack timers
The fact that everything is instant is not a negative, it's an attribute of combat.
> so it's not like you have to check the turn order and try to manipulate it or anything.
Instead you have to prepare for the opponent's entire team attacking you at once the same way you attack theirs. Similarly to FE. Which again, isn't a negative.
>Throwing is kinda cute and fits in with the silly tone of the game but ultimately amounts to fuck all in terms of added depth.
Repositioning with thrown stacks adds a ton of intricacy to movement, considering you can't just walk through literally everything unless you are flying, enough units in a stack can position a unit anywhere on the field, and movement/throwing ability also add to this when doing things.
>The geopanels are a neat system in theory, but throughout the game they're either inconsequential or used for terrible gimmick maps like that map where you have to destroy invulnerability panels in the corners of the map while taking damage every turn and facing invulnerable poisonous enemies.
So you want...what exactly? It can't be an attribute to a stage, it can't be the determining element of a stage, what would make them "Good"?
>The item upgrade system is the most ridiculous padding I've seen in a game (clearing randomly generated levels to upgrade an item).
That's the entire point of it? You fight to upgrade an item, get new items, get more levels, and more units.

What are you comparing this to?

>>259650503
>Throwing is kinda cute and fits in with the silly tone of the game but ultimately amounts to fuck all in terms of added depth. The geopanels are a neat system in theory, but throughout the game they're either inconsequential or used for terrible gimmick maps like that map where you have to destroy invulnerability panels in the corners of the map while taking damage every turn and facing invulnerable poisonous enemies.

All of this right here shows me you've never played the game.

>Geo Panels are either simply an element to a level
>Or they are a gimmick which determines the level's
>Therefore they are SHIT

Kill yourself.

>>259607264
Megaten

>>259646664
>Alice Soft games in general are also great.
Why

They're neat in the sense that they're actually pretty alright despite being porn, but that's all. Some of them approach greatness, like Kichikuou and Rance VII, but those are the cream of the crop among dozens of games. Hell, you posted Daibanchou. It's above average for an Alice Soft game, but it's really basic. The combat is essentially non interactive, and the "outside stuff" isn't enough to make up for it. It's not a bad game, but I feel like a lot of people overrate these games because they're porn, or because they feel cool for playing hentai games.

>>259650983
Last week

>>259652103
I sure love pressing confirm and cancel for half an hour so the demon gets good abilities.
I sure live instadeath spells
I sure love hundreds of empty rooms
I sure love if the MC dies is game over
I sure love random stat increases in level ups

>>259652794
>I sure love random stat increases in level ups
LOL I said Megaten not Persona kid

>>259652794
>has only played strange journey.jpg

>>259607264
>breath of fire gets considered

you're alright, op

>>259652989
>>259653043
It was shit taken from different games.
Ive played more games that I should have from that shit series.

Only the stories/atmosphere is good.
They should make movies instead

>>259644660
>tfw there will never be a FFVII remake for ps3/4

>>259652794
>not wanting instadeath spells to actually work

>>259652794
>Not liking instadeath spells
>Wanting streamlined brainless skill acquisition

Kill yourself.