So what do you think about Vidya Game Bars? I got the sudden urge of opening one, and we don't have ant of those around here. Do vidya nerds like this kind of places?
The only kind of people you'll attract with bars like these are gamer gurrlz and gay hipsters that flock to any "underground" bar.
You'd attract a lot of hipsters and wannabees.
I hope you like 6/10 girls who love and never played a zelda bringing their friendzoned betas in for a coke.
Where are you planning on opening?
Fact: If you're considering opening a bar or restaurant, especially if it's related to one of your nerd hobbies (anime, video games, tabletop, etc), then you're a complete and utter fucking retarded that deserves his inevitable bankruptcy.
Video game bars are super sweet, but the problem I mostly find is the selection, and the actual maintenance of the machines.
Obviously if a bunch of drunk assholes are playing the machines, they wreck the controls IMMEDIATELY. When you buy cabs, also look up the switches and parts needed to keep them up to a standard playable condition. You'll need those parts in bulk.
As for selection, usually it's like "OH LOOK WE HAVE PACMAN AND DIG DUG AND OH LOOK OVER THERE IT'S MARIO BROS ^_^"
It's never like a decent selection. Have a current fighting game. Have a racer. Maybe throw in some motherfucking Time Crisis. Shit, Namco is still making awesome arcade machines for the US.
>do vidya nerds like this kind of places
vidya nerds that drink usually do so alone in front of a video game. They don't typically go to bars unless they're taken to one.
There's a very good reason that "gaming" bars are almost always completely retro; there's a hipster appeal to having old arcade machines in your bar.
Actual PCs or Consoles, however, don't seem to fit. Even proper LAN centers who focus entirely on having high-end PCs with good connections and abundant consoles with flatscreens have a very difficult time staying open and have to gouge energy drinks to get by.
The problem with "nerd bars" is that nerds are multifaceted as fuck. You can appeal to the lowest common denominator of nerds, but the lowest common denominator is not an overwhelming majority like it is in most other cultures. Everyone likes something different and will probably hate or be indifferent to other shit.
That being said, I would love to see more places to hold LAN parties and such. If you want a geeky bar to be popular, make sure it's open to events.
>none of these places are around.
There are notable arcade bars in NYC, Philly, Denver, LA, etc...
You just don't live somewhere cool.
You guys severely underestimate the spending power of yuppie hipsters. Also nerds do like to go to these places and they'll keep to packs so they feel safe. Usually it's the lanky one, the fat slob, and the short manlet with a pudgy girlfriend.
Dude, that cab has a glass top on it. It's specifically designed to put drinks on.
You should open a bar because you want to have a drink, not because of videogames.
Videogames are window dressing, like a jukebox or a pool table. If you're going to have videogames in a bar, they better be fucking Nintendo consoles with party games or DDR/ arcade machines.
unfortunately, most people wouldn't. "Retro" arcade bars have a much larger appeal to the average social drinker than LAN. On top of that, mixing a bar with expensive computer equipment is a recipe for disaster.
You know I've heard there's relative success in hiring out an RV filled with TVs and consoles for parties and such. Give the kids some halos to play and give the parents somewhere they don't have to clean after Timmy has his 10th birthday. That doesn't sound anywhere near as fun as opening a barcade, though.
>I would love to see more places to hold LAN parties and such
The problem with that is that people don't actually play games you can really LAN anymore.
It used to be a LAN party would be massive servers for Quake or quake mods, CS, starcraft, all that shit. These days 90% of the people you'll see at any LAN are just playing MOBAs with randoms online.
Just opened up and isnt that bad.
Follows old Arcade roots with 25 cent play only on most Coin Ops
All that comes to mind is Dave and Busters basically. In your case it'd be smaller, like a mall arcade but with booth seating and a bar.
And now I really want that. Although instead of karaoke everyone would be playing Rock Band. Now it doesn't sound so appealing.
>drunk assholes quickly destroy anything you'll put in the bar
>so you should buy newer and more expensive machines with the proper design qualities to damage proof it against children and drunk assholes
This is the way to go. You may not like it, but if you want to run a successful bar, you need to attract the hipsters rather than the neckbeards who will sit in a circle playing their 3DS's.
when i went to a "barcade" all the cabinets were in piss poor condition which kind of bothered me. their selling point is an arcade where you can get drunk at and all the machines are in awful condition. i guess they don't care about the condition of the machine when drunk idiots are putting in 10$ each trying to beat the simpson and tmnt.
>You guys severely underestimate the spending power of yuppie hipsters
Yuppie hipsters don't like actual video games and computers, they like being associated with retro gaming. The original Donkey Kong, Dig Dug, that sort of thing.
I believe OP is talking more about more recent games, which hipsters will avoid like the plague.
I've been to a Barcraft once.
Shit was cash and I watched the WCS finals on a big screen and drank some burning shot with electrolydes or something in.
videogame bars are highly boring, unless you have must have cabinets, with the classsics we remember as kids. no shitty pinball and packman variations.
also the community has to be there, there has to be more than beer and games. have trivia nights
vidya karaoke and other events and tournaments and all the likes.
theres like 4 (loosely) in nyc and only 1 [Barcade] is doing well if you ask me.
>none of these places are around.
>There are notable arcade bars in NYC, Philly, Denver, LA, etc...
yup, and i'm sure those are packed with actual vidya nerds. making a shitton of money.
and not a handfull people trying to come across as "nerdy xD" on a friday night.
I don't know how popular it'd be depending on where you live.
Where I live many "real" nerds tend to not indulge in anything including drugs and alcohol.
I like to drink and I'm pretty social but I'm still not a huge bar guy. Probably because I'm not a beer fan and liquor is pretty expansive most fo time and I'm a poor collegefag
Most of them have shitty selection of cabinets.
over 50% joust/galaga/pacmans
Which are fun. I guess. But you know everyone wants to play X-Men or Turtles in Time or Simpsons. I've got a huge hard on for shoot 'em ups and no where ever has them.
those emulator cabinets with like 100 neogeo games are the shit. Pinball's cool but you only need like 7-10 at most. Skeeball is the shit. Metal slug.
And beer is split everywhere. There's never enough cupholders. You should just nail a 2x4s to the wall sideways for lil beer shelves.
Omaha, NE has one called Beercade. The area has a large hipster population but that may be due to the music lounge a stones throw away. The atmosphere is nice, it's not quite an arcade with beer or a bar with arcade cabinets.
I forgot about fighting games.
Get like atleast 7 different ones. Super Street Fighter 2, Street Fighter Third Strike, Street Fighter Alpha, some SNK, MAHVEL,
personal favorite is Samurai Shodown 3.
If you got Pinball, have two fighters for every one pinball game.
Some people opened an arcade bar a town over from me late last year. It's fuckin' rad
The "bar arcade" I went to in the gaslamp district during comic con was more bar than arcade.
Maybe like 5 or so cabinets. But the main attraction was giant jenga, beer pong, and billiards.
The crowd was mostly still normalfags.
And replacement parts are also expensive, and a bitch to get your hands on.
They're not worth the investment, especially considering how dead american arcades are outside of shitty operations tied with an overpriced restaurant.
Arcades require a very dense population center and a cultural appreciation that just doesn't exist in America. You might be able to keep up a giant tourist trap arcade in the middle of a massive city like NYC, but the initial investment would have to be utterly massive.
There's a reason they don't exist any more anon (outside of that dreadful Dave and Busters).
They don't make money. The electric bills exceed the measely quarters you get from pac man.
I'm sorry, I just don't think that's true.
You can't survive off one or two big events, you need constant patronage, and modern arcade cabs are both prohibitively expensive to get your hands on and to keep up. And that's with sober people playing on them in an environment without drinks to spill.
I understand why you WANT it to be feasible, but it just isn't.
Back like 6 or so years ago we used to have a place at my local mall where they had gayming PCs and consoles that you could pay for time to play.
You could rent the place out for parties too.
The place went under in less than a year though.
We actually had a few places like this, but all of them died off fairly quickly.
Did these count as internet cafes?
I'm not really sure because they had a focus on games.
There is a bar where I live that is video game themed and it's a hit or miss experience. I went once where it was Mortal Kombat night and they had some really good drink specials and had a good time, and another time on Monster Hunter night where everybody was antisocial as fuck and the drinks were shitty and expensive.
It's a nice place though and it gets a good mixed crowd.
Shiiiiit this thread is making me really want to attempt my dream of making one.
I know it would even thrive where I currently live, so I'd have to swap states and appeal to the board in
Salt Lake Cityfor it.
Though if I was going to do it, I'd appeal to /vr/'s advice on maintaining old cabs and setting up new ones, as well as what they would like to see in a barcade that wasn't shit.
One idea, though it would ruin the integrity of classic or original cabinets: modular control decks. Say beer gets spilled all over one. Pop out the deck with the buttons/stick and slap another one in while the other is cleaned out. I could see it working well for the emulation cabinets, though.
What would you serve at a video game bar?
Me? I'd serve crab legs.
you can build your own arcade cabinet, for 50 dollars in wood and supplies, and 60 dollars in electronics.
you can build your own console based cabinet.
you can build your own PC cabinet for cheap
you can build a dream cast cabinet
the fact is if you are opening a videogame based bar and worrying about the cost of something that will be your bread and butter, you might as well not even do it.
you can literally put up a tv and use controllers and it would work.
you can buy or find kiosks or you can repair cabinets by your self, its not really hard.
its feasible if you put your alchol first and cater to the fan base second. find the right combination and you are set. I yearn for a proper beer pong bar but that doesnt exist.
>cheap console cabinet or PC cabinet instead of locked down PCB
Enjoy your console or PC getting stolen, dipshit
>the fact is if you are opening a videogame based bar and worrying about the cost of something that will be your bread and butter, you might as well not even do it.
If you're opening any business and not worrying about up-front costs and overhead, you are completely fucking retarded. ESPECIALLY when it comes to bars/restaurants, which are the hardest to administrate and most likely ventures to fail.
I sincerely hope no one ever takes financial advice from you.
Confirmed. I won the last Street Fighter II tourney at San Diego's hip Coin-Op bar http://coinopsd.com/ completely by making my opponents dizzy and then shoulder throwing them. Not one person called me out on my cheese.
Also, it gets annoying when I have to explain to the player next to me the importance of the jump attack in The Simpson's arcade game.
>gamer gurrlz and gay hipsters that flock to any "underground" bar.
Good? They are certainly better clients than sweaty greasy fat fucks and nerds too nervous to order a drink.
Arcade worker here, most arcade light guns are pretty fucking fragile, and they don't make non-plastic gun shells. Unscrew 15 nearly-microscopic screws to fix a trigger spring and tell me how fun that would be to do every night when some retard breaks it.
nigga, what security features are you going to have on a 60 dollar would cabinet
a lock? a metal plate?
On an actual arcade cabinet, you need the entire thing for it to work. If you try to remove just the PCB or the memory containing the game's image the whole thing will fry.
In a ghetto-cab like you're talking about some enterprising dick can smash it open or pick the lock (assuming you have one) and make off with a fully-functional PC or console.
first off, this shit would be in the back.
any pussy or dumb fuck thinking they are gonna come into my bar and fuck shit up are getting clapped the fuck up and yolked up and sent straight to worldstar.
you imply these neckbeards would be ballsy enough to even try.
>If anyone tries I'll just beat them up!!!!!
Not sure why in your fantasy you run a bar that has one shitty plywood arcade machine and whose regular clientele is only fat nerds but okay
>Want to open a similar bar in
They have one in Chicago that's pretty popular, and this city is getting overrun by hipsters.
I figured a couple shootan games, couple fighting games, a few beatemups and you could get a solid crowd in
>any pussy or dumb fuck thinking they are gonna come into my bar and fuck shit up are getting clapped the fuck up and yolked up and sent straight to worldstar.
this faggot posting on 4chan thinks he's super tough
He also doesn't understand that monitoring your costs and overhead is important, and has no concept of loss-prevention
Do yourself a favor my ignorant negro friend: if you ever want to invest in or start a business, get a jewish guy to do it for you. You'll just fuck it up and lose everything.
>Do vidya nerds like these kind of places?
About 70% of vidya nerds are socially awkward anti-social NEETS who won't even leave the house. Maybe the other 30% percent, i.e., the cosplay fags, will go so such a place with friends.
>all these people bitching about normalfags
Wouldn't OP want normalfags? Are autistic virgins are large market nowadays? Do they even drink? Don't they tend to be xXstraghtedgeXx and self righteous?
Also why can't some hipsters enjoy some Pacman and Galaga? Those are still fun games, better than LoL or CoD.
Also why can't people who are not virigns and completely socially retarded not allowed to like vidya? I see threads everyday with people crying because they're so ronery with no gf. Yet if someone mentions that theyre not a complete loser, they get bitched at being normalfags and told to go back to le redit.
Sounds to me you guys are insecure and need to hobby to be just as sad as you so you can feel better about yourself.
OP you bar sounds like a good idea.
No one's bitching about normalfags, we're saying that a bar with games that would appeal to your average /v/-goer like SF4 or Time Crisis won't pull in the normalfags and hipsters who would populate a bar and give him money.
I know reading comprehension is hard, but you could at least try.
Your best bet is to make a regular bar and just host video game stuff like tournaments. A bar around here rotates between SF4 and Melee every other week, people come in droves.
But don't make a bar just for video games.
4chan was already taken over by normalfags
due to /sp/ /soc/ and /lgbt/
why do you think everyone fucking parrots, post like they're underage, and doesn't think ironic shitposting is a problem?
oh wait, because it is
>in a business
good way to get sued and shut down
A good idea to prevent your machines from going down due to damage, but you're still dealing with repairing/replacing damaged parts, and you'd be preventing the one truly effective theft deterrent arcade cabs have.
One of the worst possible ventures to start, if not the absolute worst. Bars and restaurants are expensive to keep up, don't make much profit, and often go out of business extremely quickly.
Haven't been a viable business in the Unites States in decades
What makes anyone think combining the two is a good idea
I recommend dropping the arcade part and just showing vidya streams.
Alcohol + machines = maintenance. The majority of your business will be composed of period who watch assfaggots/fighting games/speed running streams on twitch anyways. Much cheaper to maintain a few TVs for the same cost.
You might as well just make it a regular bar that sometimes shows video games then.
I like >>258722051's idea the best. It seems the most feasible and you're not making yourself tied to the hip to a small group like "video game players". Just use video games to make them come out to your bar that's already popular.
I dunno what the laws for gambling is in the state/country but that's not a terrible idea.
Also catch onto stupid ideas like twitch plays Pokemon.
Yes shit is cringeworthy as fuck but its the price of staying in business.
There's a restaurant that's so in business after 3 years so far by doing this
Food is awful, limited and the drinks are overpriced
There's one in my town.
It's fucking ugly and filled with LoL players because it's the main attraction.
To be fair, it works for them because it's their target customers.
In other words, it's shit.
Regular bars stay in business anon.
Gimmicky bars don't always, especially around a hobby where most people rather watch a steam than play.
You can host monthly tournaments, that shit would be cash
>get invited to a videogame/art bar on the beach
>"Artcade" already a troubling sign
>friend says he read an article about a new bar with arcades and liquor
>drags other friend out of legit arcade all the way across town to go check it out
>I reluctantly agree to go as well
>place is hard as fuck to find
>we go in and I can immediatly tell it's a gay bar
>one wall is covered in terrible paintings
>other side has a grand total of three old and busted arcade machines
>mrs pacman, DK, and some other forgettable generic shit
>theres three guys at the bar wearing really tight clothes and straight up gaying it up when we go in
>"hey guyyyyysssss welcooommme"
>tell friends ill be outside and never go back in
>minutes later they come out with very confused look
>tell them we just went into a gay bar
>their smiles and optimism gone
the only redeemable game thing it had was a projected mario brothers game on a wall but who hasnt played that shit, and why the fuck would you pay for that. fucking homosexual casuals
I'd settle for a nerd bar with nerdy interests in it's weekly whatevers.
Comic shit, anime shit, vidya shit. So long as it's an actual bar, with a fully stocked selection, 21 or older to get into the building, and a bartender. God damn I'd kill for this setup. The hipsters and fake gamers would be worth dealing with to meet and socialize with people who share my interests.
I moved to Chicago recently and the city has three arcade bars and counting. All of them are very popular even for people who don't normally play games. They're fantastic places and they've really helped me fall in love with arcade games and pinball machines after putting up with this shitty modern video game industry for years.
I've made it a personal goal to open my own in the coming years, after I have some money from my job saved up. I'm working on a business plan, doing research, taking bartending/bar-managing training, buying up some arcade machines and trying to fix them up, etc. It's all very new to me. I'm aware that a hobby-based business does need to be focused on appealing to the masses first and foremost and that I can't make it too fanboyish.
How do I open a bar /v/?
I'm a pretty sociable guy, your loss. Contrary to popular belief most "hipsters" aren't actually fans of being called that, and generally don't associate themselves with that title. Yea there's always going to be that one guy, but 9 times out of 10 you'll find out that you're more alike than you thought.
>They have one in Chicago that's pretty popular
Emporium > Logan Arcade > HQ
HQ used to be a lot better, it's kinda been lacking lately, probably because they're pooling resources to their second place.
biggest problem would be the smell all of those fat sweaty bodies in one room and knowing that your ac can't accommodate all of the gamers who sometimes don't bathe or don't put on deodorant. makes me moist
There's at least one in my city that I'm actually quite fond of. Full of arcade cabinets and pinball machines. It pushes the "nerd culture" envelope a little hard, but it's still a pretty good time. The sort of place me and my normalfag friends can go to get drunk and get in fights over who gets to play as Michael Jordan in NBA Jam.
Barcades are a great idea. Arcades died because the most skilled players who spend the most time there pay like $0.50/hr. Add overpriced drinks and a cover charge and you've got something halfway profitable.
I live in Berlin and I know of only two gamer bars and both only stream starcraft and mobas like lol and I'm really not into both. But the one bar has at least every month a Mario kart 64 tournamentStill never went there . Sti
Would you prefer a place with marked-up drinks (e.g. $1.50 to $2 more each) but free games,
or a place with standard drink prices but you have to pay for games normally with quarters?
I run a video game themed bar in Berlin, Germany, and might be able to give you a few pointers.
First of all: Forget about catering to actual gamers - you don't want those as customer base.
They don't have a lot of money to spend, they don't frequent bars often and they are annoying to normal people and bar-hoppers.
You will either have to lure in the hipster/trendy crowd or have to go "retro-future fashionista" if you can draw in 90s/80s enthusiasts.
What you can do in terms of design depends on your location, more gritty/techy neon look is obviously better in partying-heavy areas. A more warm and clean look (bright, mellow colors, pixel art on the wall, ambient sounds, no gadgets) is better for commercial areas where you can expect customers during the day who just want a coffee.
Do not put too much flickering shit into the room. One or two screens playing pleasant to look at slowpaced content without sounds are fine (works well with NES/SNES/Genesis games) but showing 3D trailers/streams with 360-noscope-explosions strains eyes and the mood.
Don't just play gamey music, keep it varied enough for people to hang out there seveal hours and have a good time (music licensing is a nightmare in Germany, so we had actual video game soundtracks playing but 90% of tracks are not befitting for a bar). If you like 80s synth sound there's a fuckton of faux-retro shit like Dynatron, Pertubator, Lazerhawk, Flashworx, Power Glove, Kavinsky, Mega Drive, Arcade High, etc.
The more technology you put inside the more heat you generate and the higher the power bill is.
Playable hardware tends to break, to lead to theft of games, cables, controllers - avoid it.
This is especially important early on when you bleed money until you attract anyone.
Don't do "free drinks for cosplayers" - you'll go broke.
License everything you show - even if it's a stream or youtube video. Fines are extreme and a single customer photo/recording counts as evidence
Don't offer free WiFi without IT skill
No - don't want to shatter your dreams but running a bar is hard work and you have to invest a lot into starting and surviving. You also can't get a loan, no bank is sane enough to invest into a bar these days, in particularly a gaming themed one.
Turning a steady profit took me a bit over two years as Germany is very demanding in terms of taxation. Before that it was up and down and living a very minimalistic lifestyle with night shifts at local clubs to pay the bills.
I knew what I was getting into though. I'm in my early 30s now and spent my fair share working in and running other people's bars.
If you have no bar background, don't start one. Be sure you know the basics about accounting, marketing and serving drinks before even considering our own bar.
Learn what it takes to serve various types of customers - I want to stress how important this part is - as you don't know who you'll attract and have to adapt. Don't expect customers to flock to your place and like it unless you have a platform to market to them specifically. Our techy game look made us switch a bit into retro games from the previous early modern gamey themes as we had the faux-retro 80s crowd come by for their weekly dose of neon and bright screens.
If you fill a niche with high demand (and you better be damn sure you are right) it's also possible to hire someone with bar experience to run the place for you and have a full-time job on the side to pay his salary until you break even. This obviously only works if you can get enough customers to warrant hiring someone.
Mark up the drinks. You won't survive on game earnings - in fact they'll amount to almost nothing after deducting electricity. The drink markup can always be justified with all the machines and lights running for ambience.
People come for the atmosphere and drinks, not the games. Bars are a social thing, gaming not so much.
You can always offer a particular drink (cheap alcohol) as daily special so people can buy something normally priced and get wasted on it.
If you carry a lot of "novelty" stuff like chilli or licorice absynthe you can make quite the buck from people ordering it out of curiosity, provided you advertise it a bit.
What also goes well is offering special rounds of drinks in line with certain events, i.e. yellow/blue cocktails when a Protoss player wins a StarCraft match. If you do design such events well, people will order those - even if the price is a bit higher than normal.
I'm a bartender and have been since I dropped out of school. Working for other people in this particular business is godawulf - the shifts are horrible, you never get a day off, in particularly not on holidays or interesting events. As most bars don't turn a decent profit and as such can't afford to hire you it's either classy places like hotels or posh bars to live from tips (looking too much like a biker for that) or night clubs. The latter means listening to dubstep at full volume and getting yelled at by drunk 19 year olds. I'm too old for this shit.
The only way out of employment to become my own boss was doing something financially risky but lack of major funds or a loan didn't allow for anything overly fancy so it became "just a bar" - the theme was pure passion as I collected lots of gaming stuff as hobby throughout the 90s until 2005.
Having regrets about my career choice, should've gotten an education and gone to university but that's history. Don't regret opening the place - in retrospect. There were times when I thought I should close up but kept going and now it's possible to turn a profit to make a living.
I know it won't last forever. People grow tired of places and themes over years, no bar lives forever. The question is just when and what I'll do then but there's still time to figure it out.
Thanks for all the advice. Sounds like I should stick to the career I have now for a while then before I try to open a bar and do it right. I barely have any bar or arcade cab maintenance experience as it is.
Why in the fuck would I ever want to leave my house?
There are people outside of it.