Can there exist a better build under $500? No, there can't.

4gb is not enough

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>>258612281

>>258612281
>implying
there are few games that require more than that

>no poptarts

might as well remove the motherboard too at that point

build is shit

>>258612625
True, it's not necessary, but it's well worth the extra 45 dollars.

>>258612757
poptarts?

>mobo

>>258612345
>>258612625
there is no ssd in this build
if you don't have an ssd, and you have a low amount of ram, you're going to have a lot of hitching

almost all games stream in data as it's needed instead of preloading anymore (thanks noram consoles)

excessive hitching is much worse than low framerate
have sufficient ram to reduce hitching problems


you're more educated from using my post
now apply it to your future endeavors

>>258612164
>AMD
>AMD
>AMD
>AMD

>>258612164
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/by2YRB
fucking scrub, were you even trying?
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-G3258-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-750k
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-280-vs-Radeon-R9-270

>>258612862
>poptarts?
to go with that toaster, obviously

>>258614679
>he forgot the ram

>>258615198
i meant to replace it for proper dual channel utilization and forgot.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BmZHqs

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>>258612164
Behold, a budget PC build to end all budget PC build threads.

>>258615976
drop the heatsink and up the gpu to a 280 then you can call yourself the best.

/v/ build me a computer with a budget of 1,000$ with at minimum 16gb of ram and made for games obviously.

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>>258612164
With tax its only $440 or so.

>>258616657
and it cant even 1080p. must suck seeing as how every build in this thread does that like it isnt shit.

>>258612164
100 bucks for case and psu in a budget build? It's like you hate performance. Spend half that and spend 15 less on the motherboard and either put it into a better gpu, cpu or more wam.

>>258616802
http://www.gameskinny.com/sa5t0/kojima-ps4-can-easily-handle-1080p-and-60fps

>AMD

>>258616447
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BXz9wP

>>258616447
>16gb of ram and made for games]

You already dun goofed

>>258617136
>games arent released in 1080@60
>see bloodborne
Literally who cares, these build run it on any game, fuck off scrub.

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>>258614886
10/10

>>258612164
You need to include a keyboard, mouse, mousepad and monitor or it doesn't count.

>>258617681
Do we count TVs when we calculate the price of consoles?

>>258617681
>troll post
also
>using a mouse pad
who does this? why do we even have optical?

>>258617846
im going to build on this and say that a tv can even be used as a monitor now.

>>258617136
Yes, PS4 can easily handle 1080p and 60 FPS.
If games look like glorified PS3 games.

>>258617681
You mean those things you already own?
Otherwise we'll have to count a TV for the console side too.

>>258617225
>Not having 16 gigs of RAM

How do you even fucking live?

>>258617846
We count the controller that comes with it, bitch. Add a keyboard and mouse or it doesn't count.

>>258618246
you realize you can literally get a keyboard AND mouse for like 10 bucks right? thats what happens when you arent screwed into proprietary hardware.

>>258613317
An SSD is not going to cause any issues at all, however I do agree with the RAM, although not with your explanation. "Hitching" is not a thing.

>>258618186
NO ONE owns a monitor if they don't use a gaming PC. EVERYONE uses laptops which come with their own attached monitor that you can't use for a desktop.

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>>258617081
you should never skimp on a power supply. Even if you have to zip tie all your components into a milk crate instead of buying a case you should get a reputable brand of power supply.

>>258618347
Then add it faggot. Add the price of a keyboard and mouse. What have you got to lose?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>258616447
Add me on Steam and I'll set you up, Gigaguy777

>>258618361
It's called micro stutter. I learned that phrase from logical increments.

>>258618608
why dont we add the $50 psn (YEARLY) fee along with $60 "remastered" $5 steam games?

>>258618497
That's one god-tier ventilation case.
>free airflow

Just add fucking dust filter lining all over and you got a high quality open-air vent.

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>>258618479
get rekt m8

>>258618246
Okay.
http://www.amazon.com/iMicro-KB-IM91908-107-Key-Keyboard-Optical/dp/B008NGEAW2/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1408422897&sr=1-11
>>258618479
>that you can't use for a desktop.
Actually, most laptops have a VGA port for that exact reason.
And I don't know a single person who doesn't own a computer or a computer monitor.

>>258618497
How does it stay cool without proper airflow? What about dust issues?

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>>258618246
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097&cm_re=keyboard-_-23-126-097-_-Product
$14

>>258615848

so would this be a good build to buy if i had a budget and cheap?

>>258618709
Call it stuttering, and keep in mind that having low amounts of RAM usually won't cause it, it usually just crashes when you run out of RAM. The reason you get more is because some games are using more than 4GB, as well as for performance increases in non-gaming applications, usually related to video editing or other media work.

>>258616131
The heatsink is for when you overclocking the living fuck out of that CPU, mang.

>>258618750
You don't need that to use the console. You do need a keyboard and mouse to use a PC.

>>258618608
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tvGwmG
not getting your point, but here you go.
This system would literally beat the shit out of an console and then rape it for fun.

>>258615848
>R9 280
>In a build with a Pentium G3258
I mean, the mobo is good, so at least you can OC the shit out of it, but even then, it'll still be a bottleneck.

>>258618838
I wouldn't use one of these unless it was something i put together for say a party and I didn't give a shit about it. I know a lot of people who take the side off their cases and blow a desk fan into it though (idiots).

a milk crate case can be very easily converted into a decent case with some acrylic sheets/plywood/laminate/cardboard etc. and some gaffer tape.

>>258619238
>It'll still be a bottleneck
No anon, the G3258 is a very capable processor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evXpqpNhu_Y#t=275

>>258618943
seemed solid enough when i made it.
>>258619031
that wont get you more fps in video games.

>>258619051
You need PSN/XBL to utilize every part of the console yes, so if we're going to include something that's free on consoles but not on PC (controller) then we should include something that's free on PC but not on consoles (online).

>>258619031
can you even overclock those?

>>258619297
>I know a lot of people who take the side off their cases and blow a desk fan into it though (idiots).

That sounds like it could work, though.

>>258619368
Yes it will, OC'ing your CPU will increase your framerate in the vast majority of titles.

>>258619238
>Pentium G3258
>bottleneck
You have obviously never used one. They can be OCed to 4.5GHz on air. and beat the 8350 by a hair on performance when doing so.

>>258619409
It's an anniversary CPU.
It's literally made to be overclocked.

>>258619031
Yes, after updating the bios, you can overclock using the motherboard, and the CPU is unlocked.

>>258619398
controllers aren't free either, they're like $50-$90. kek.

>>258619051
no games required for a gaming console? you cant not factor in the price of games for a gaming machine lol

>>258619454
I wont argue, only because we are talking about the pentium.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zX6vjX
i-is this good for my budget of 700$, /v/?
I know nothing about making a PC, pls help me

>>258619507
Most games still aren't really properly multi-threaded though, so later on the 8350 will almost surely beat it.

>>258619159
I could of done that....................................fuck me sideways

>>258619423
yeah it works but it's noisy, creates clutter and more importantly it blows all the dust in the room straight onto your components, which is bad.

>>258619507
>Beat the 8350
Anon, please be specific and make sure you mention this is ONLY in gaming applications. As a CPU in itself, it's stomped into the ground by damn near everything. It's good for budget builds that don't run quad-core games and nothing more.

>>258619398
You can access the store without paying for PS+, actually. Plus you get free games and discounts to that make up the cost entirely.

You cannot use a PC without a keyboard, though. You seem to understand that now.

Console peasant here thinking about switching to the pc race. Can anyone give me a rundown on what the best build would be under $600 for a good rig and why? I don't want to go to /g/ as they dont help with shit.

>>258612164
gonna be obsolete in 2 years. unlike consoles with a 8 year lifespan.

>>258619641
by the time that would happen you will be moved on to your next CPU and the 8350 will be hilariously outdated.

>>258619706
I heard that getting dual cores is bad for gaming.

>>258619620
Anon, this is true for almost every single CPU out there, even with a 4790K, you will see frame rate increases from overclocking.

>>258619631
see
>>258618624
Helping over 4chan takes ages, it's easier this way

>>258619719
>Plus you get free games and discounts to that make up the cost entirely.
Not without PS+.
I've already included the price of a KB+M (>>258618790), so yes, we will include the cost of online on PSN.
These machines are looking to play the same games, and if I can play BF4 online on that PC and not on that PS4, then they're not comparable machines, and they need to be as comparable as possible.
PS+ remains part of the price.
>>258619778
The consoles are already obsolete.

4GB of ram is suffering with heavily modded minecraft.
But with anything else is ok.

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>>258619665
Thats what you get for listening to the jews. Next time dont be an impressionable faggot.

>>258619838
As of right now it's working for the most part, assuming you overclock, but as time goes on, the switch to quad-cores will become necessary for modern titles.

>>258619706
>Anon, please be specific and make sure you mention this is ONLY in gaming applications. As a CPU in itself, it's stomped into the ground by damn near everything.

That's bullshit and misleading. It's still a great CPU unless you specifically need a dual-core processor for certain applications. For the vast majority of people who are only using their computer for gaming, office suite applications, web browsing, video playback, etc. it is very well suited to usage without problems.

>>258619763
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

This is your best bet at a one-shot no-info buy.
But ideally you want to read the information on that site then go to PC Part picker, pick some decent parts and then moderate your part prices by lowering some of them while also researching all parts you buy.

>>258619719
you are seriously gonna ignore this >>258619159 arent you

>>258619719
ps4 exclusive: $60 + tax
pc exclusives: free
checkmate

>>258619763
Anything under $600 is worthless and won't do better than a PS4. You need to go to the $850 range for before you can start running modern games at medium settings with 1080p and 60 FPS.

Also keep in mind that no PC will last more than 3 years and still be "okay". Even the best computer money can buy today will be shit in 3 years.

>>258619913
k

>>258620098
prove it

>>258619778
I don't think you understand how this stuff works.

>>258620016
I'm not arguing with him.

>>258620098
0/10

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>>258619778
>games in 8 years will be made for the same console hardware of today, therefore the pc you build today will be obsolete in two years, hahah!
this stupid niggar...

>>258620054
Because there aren't any PC exclusives to buy.

>>258620229
B-BUT MUH 360!

>>258619987
Anon please, the G3258 is absolute tat, and to say anything else in reference to non-gaming applications is more misleading than calling a wall a window. I'd like to refer again to the G3258 analysis video, they do a Cinebench benchmark and spoiler alert, it sucks ass. Even something like the FX-6300 will perform much better in pretty much every single application outside of gaming, and for only $30 more, there's no reason to get that low-end garbage.

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>>258620098
Mine still mop the floor with the last gen on every single game, and is STARTING to feel the heat of the next gen, but given the pace, i think it will still last 2+ years.

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I got this going on

How good of a GPU would I need to run modern games on very high with no problems and how much would that cost?

Don't overly care about ultra as my vision is shit enough I probably won't notice a difference.

>>258619719
>PS4 = $440 + 60 for first game + 60 for online for first year = $560
>>258619159
>http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tvGwmG
>literally not even $500
>free games out the ass right off the bat
>free online for life
>better hardware by miles
>mods
>Faster updates
>Bigger library of much cheaper games
>more community tools
>can also be used for about a million other >things like MS office and programming

There is literally no reason to own a console.

>>258620310
name a free full game that is exclusive
oh wait you cant
nt

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>>258620338
2008 builds represent.
Except the GPU.

>>258620413
LOL and DOTA for starters. Even if they are shit in your opinion they are still exclusive.

>>258620413
Sniper Elite 2.0 was free a little while back on Steam.

>>258620343
Oh high?
At 1080p?
Probably around an R7 265/750 Ti.

>>258620512
for ps4. pc has shit ton of free exclusives
another good one is path of exile
or you can pay $60 for d3 expansion on console

>>258620594
i read the thread wrong lol. Thanks 4chanX.

>>258620098
>Even the best computer money can buy today will be shit in 3 years.
>last build was in 2006
>still runs everything

Whoops you're a faggot

>>258620098
I know you're trolling, but I can't hear you over the sound of you being wrong. Under $600, beats the PS4, includes a KB + M, Operating system, and Optical drive. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K9z9wP

>>258620325
>I'd like to refer again to the G3258 analysis video, they do a Cinebench benchmark and spoiler alert, it sucks ass.

How many people are going to be using the G3258 for those types of applications?

How fucking retarded are you? If you are into editing and rendering which takes advantage of a quad core processor and hyperthreading, then you are likely going to buy an i7.

>Even something like the FX-6300 will perform much better in pretty much every single application outside of gaming, and for only $30 more, there's no reason to get that low-end garbage.

For games, however, the G3258 shits all over the FX-6300, and since this is /v/, video games and not /v/, photography, film, rendering and compute, the gaming potential performance is what matters.

You are not going to run into problems with normal desktop applications using the G3258. Cinebench benchmarks aren't for normal usage, they are for specific applications.

AMD a shit for anything aside compute.

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ok how about this setup for maximum cool?

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>>258620098
>You need to go to the $850 range for before you can start running modern games at medium settings with 1080p and 60 FPS.

>>258620190
Sure.

www.logicalincrements.com

>General info section

"Whatever PC you buy, whether it is for $800 or $4000, will be obsolete in a few years. Buy a good PC, and when it becomes obsolete, buy a new one.
Future-proofing is impossible. You can buy something that will be "ok" in 3 years, but you cannot buy something that will be "the best" by then, or even "really good.""


So there you go. PCs run out of steam faster than consoles and need to be upgraded more. This is common knowledge.

>>258612164

Console gamer here (actually idort because I have multiple good desktop and laptop PCs for all PC platforms too, I just don't prioritize PC gaming because it's not my style).

Here is my beef: I hate HDDs. Once I went SDD, for OS and apps, I couldn't go back. Considering I use PC for more than just gaming I prioritize having a good SSD over a GPU anyday. The gaming performance won't be as good, but the overall performance will be awesome. Integrated graphics can easily play most PC games out there. If you want to play intensive shit like Star Citizen or Arma3, you probably should buy a better computer than that anyway.

>>258620864
>What is the law of PC power growth.

Whatever you got now, it's gonna become obsolete twice as fast as your last computer.

>>258621010
>PCs run out of steam faster than consoles
God you are retarded. PCs have to be upgraded to compete with other PCs, if you are just going to compete with consoles then you NEVER upgrade because consoles will always be shit right out of the gate.

>>258621010
>PCs run out of steam faster than consoles and need to be upgraded more.
But that's wrong, even now the PS4 has trouble running pretty much every non-indie game it's got.
But this is a troll, so I don't know why I'm responding seriously.

>>258612164

Is that 2x2 GB of RAM? Why not a single stick? performance will be the same for videogaims and general use anyways, unless there's no price difference, and I think 8 GB is very neccesary and well worth the extra shekels.

>>258621207
My original pentium 200 with a monster 3D took pretty much the same time as my 2008 PC to get obsolete.

>>258621010
Considering that most pc games are consoles crap, that doesn't even count, since most games will be as the same spec as the consoles counterparts. Also this >>258621243

>>258620889
>Buying Windows

>>258620919
>For games
Actually, they perform equally in games friend.
>How many people are going to be using the CPU for those types of applications
These people are literally what the fucking discussion was about, about the quality of the CPU, you tried to claim it was good for non-gaming applications, which is false, then you tried to go back and say it doesn't matter because it works for games, which the FX-6300 also does in an equal or better manner for a slight price increase, and performs better in non-gaming applications.

Bottom line, the FX-6300 is better than the G3258 at a slightly higher price point. The G3258, again, is good for budget builds that exclusively game and do nothing else, this is not a bad thing, however you are wrong for trying to claim that it is good for other types of applications, or that it somehow stomps on the 6300 in games, it doesn't. Especially considering the Pentium is only good when you overclock it, and overclocking the 6300 to an equal degree pretty much invalidates any supposed stomping the G3258 may have done when comparing OC vs. Base

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>mfw playing Kingdom hearts 2 final mix with the 60fps cheat

If kingdom hearts 3 comes too pc I hope its native 60fps.

>>258621207
And this doesn't apply to a console how...?

>>258621010
>PCs run out of steam
wrong. steam has been on pc since half-life 2, which came out in 2004
its currently 2014. therefore, pcs havent run out of steam for 10 years
that invalidates your argument completely. I dont see how you could have missed this

>>258621472
Anon, I had to include it, you know how Sonyggers are

>>258621010
>"Whatever PC you buy, whether it is for $800 or $4000, will be obsolete in a few years. Buy a good PC, and when it becomes obsolete, buy a new one.
>Future-proofing is impossible. You can buy something that will be "ok" in 3 years, but you cannot buy something that will be "the best" by then, or even "really good.""

It will NOT become obsolete in a few years, though. My GPU was released in 2012 and I'm not looking to upgrade for at least another year or two. Even then that will be only due to going from 1080 to 1440. My GTX 660Ti will be able to play games at an acceptable level for probably another four years.

My CPU, i5 3750K will likely last another five years before I feel the need to change it.

Hell I could spend the next decade playing hundreds of the PC games made after 2000 which I haven't played yet, at max settings with a bare minimum of 60 fps, without even bothering to upgrade.

Don't quote logical increments like it was some form of religious text, and take the quotes into proper context. Or else you come across like a retarded consolefag.

>>258621567
Because he's an idiot and doesn't know that the law applies to all hardware.
Including phones, handhelds, and custom hardware.

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>>258621207
>>258621010
Consolefags not understanding anything yet again

This is my surprised face

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>>258612164
>low end "gaming" PC
>"IM APART OF THE MASTER RACE GUYZ"
go big or go home

>>258621535
>Actually, they perform equally in games friend.

No they fucking do not.

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>>258620478
2009 Build Coming Through

Slight graphics upgrade, original card was a Sapphire 4870

>>258621896
but I don't have money and want to play games

>>258621901
>No they fucking do not.
They do.
In fact, the FX-6300 may even perform better, considering the Pentium G3258 is about on par with the Athlon X4 750k.

>>258621535
>slightly higher price point.

>$120 vs $70

Le fuck you face

>>258621759
>My GPU was released in 2012 and I'm not looking to upgrade for at least another year or two.

So... only 3 years after you got it? Okay then.

>>258621979
hope they like assfaggots and indie shovelware cause thats all they'll be able to play

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>>258621901
Wrong, and more to come

>>258622249
He'd upgrade because he wants to be on the bleeding edge, not because he wants to keep up with consoles.
Which is the difference you don't seem to understand.

/v/, build me a $2,000 PC.

Or a $1,200 PC with $800 left over to upgrade parts in the future.

>>258622195
>Spending $500+ on a gaming PC, even more if it's good
>Complaining about $50

>>258621896
The whole concept of "master race" is retarded and you should be ashamed.

PC is an all embracing platform that will give you good games to play no matter how much money you spend on it, and the real reason why it is superior is simply because it is diverse, massive and full of freedom.

I mean, you can't even write your own games on the consoles, but you can write games for almost all consoles using a PC, including the very obscure ones.

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>>258622286
>>258621937

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Can I just take this time to just say that the Xbone is just a piece of shit.
I mean really, THIS is what games have to look like in order to be 1080p/60.
Look at this.
Fucking look at this.
I think even BF4 on low looks better than this shit.

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>>258622274
Don't forget all those classic vidya games a toaster can play!

>>258622393

I thought we were going for a $500 PC not a $500+.

Carry on then, although at that price point might as well get an i3.

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>>258612164
>AMD

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>>258622286
>>258621901
>>258622485

>>258622485
>That fucking scale
Jesus mother fuck.

>>258619238
>OC on an H81 board.

No anon. Just no.

>>258622632
It's pretty retarded for sure, but it services, first thing I could find

>>258622274
I'm not sure what are you talking about, but my friend had the similar spec (only with 8gb ram and FX-6300) and he can play many games 1080p on high.

Games today aren't really that demanding unlike before. I bought a laptop with pentium cpu and shitty Radeon card, and I was surprised it can play Far Cry 3 considering how unoptimized it was.

>>258622526
900p/60fps for Halo 2 AE & maybe even Halo 4

>>258622637
A BIOS update on that board lets you overclock the G3258

>>258622727
Wait, when was H2A stated to be 900p?
What the fuck? That looks horrible and they can't even run it at 1080p?

>>258622632
8 fps is everything, anon.

>>258622854
>>258622727
Do you have any sources on that at all? They literally have come out and said on several different occasions that it is running at 1080p.

>>258622637
>he doesn't know that mobo manufacturers have started allowing overclocking on their lower end boards
Asus and MSI specifically
Gigabyte probably, but I can't confirm

>>258622274
You can even see these charts that it can play games on high considering it's low budget
>>258622286
>>258622485
>>258622623

>>258623060
>>258622724
>Expecting consolefaggots to know shit about PC hardware

>>258622962
>He doesn't know intel told mobo manufacturers to fuck off with that shit.

http://us.hardware.info/news/36278/intel-restricts-overclocking-on-h81-b85-and-h87-chipsets

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>>258622526
Black Ops 2 on medium, with FXAA.
That's pathetic.

>>258623514
>That texture quality
Anon, I thought the point was to at least look equivalent, I think it looks bad too but that is MUCH worse

>>258623718
The gun textures look worse, everything else looks about the same.

>>258622526
>No light visible from the scope
Immersion ruined

>>258623313
That article is dated on the 27th of July last year.

People are overclocking this Pentium on non z boards NOW:

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/197902-overclocking-pentium-g3258-non-z-series-board/

Get current news before offloading information.

>>258623313
>Saturday July 27, 2013 11:48 AM

Stop spreading misinformation.

>>258623313
>1 year old article

lel

>>258621574
that's fuckin false and you know it m8. PC's run out of steam every tuesday morning for about half an hour.

>>258624741
You have to use more coal.

>>258620953
if you like dust hitting your mobo at max speed then go for it

>>258621574
>>258624741
>>258621010
Why the hell guys are you got the pc from 1880s or something

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>>258617465
hot off the press

>>258624868
kek

So guys, what mobo should I pair with the Devil's Canyon Pentium? I know that MSI, Asus and Asrock have released BIOS firmware which allows for overclocking on non z boards.


Damn, it's been almost three months since my old cpu and mobo died. Overclocking this little thing is going to be fun.

>>258625248
What is this? Somebody accidentally put Pop Tarts into Newegg.

Sidenote, whose idea that thought "Newegg" as a good name for an electronic online store? When I first heard Newegg, I thought it was a online grocery.

>>258612164
>AMD
>Only 500 GB
>Only 4GB Ram
>Stock HSF

>>258620953
If you like water dripping down your mother board from condensation go ahead.

>>258625952
>AMD
>Somehow bad
???

>>258626161

-Shit drivers
-High power consumption
-Still using Pins
-Retarded architecture that even a dual core intel CPU can handle
-Only good for rendering videos

>>258626419
>Power consumption
This has a bearing on gaming how exactly?

>Shit drivers
This is just flat out wrong, both tend to be pretty shit, and your inevitable anecdotal evidence is just one side of the argument, Nvidia has issues just as much, and I even use them myself.

>Still using pins
What?

>Retarded architecture
For their CPUs absolutely, but that's like saying Nvidia is shit because the Titan Z exists. Their GPUs are fine, and offer better price to performance over Nvidia's GPUs.

>Only good for rendering videos
Again, CPU side, doesn't really matter.

>>258626886
>>Power consumption
>This has a bearing on gaming how exactly?

>have to use bigger psus
>Naturally more heat unless you go for the big aftermarket coolahs.

>>258627172
>Have to use bigger PSUs
That's not really an issue, in practice it ends up costing $5-10 at most, especially when you take in to account the savings over Nvidia, it's even more irrelevant. Plus, the only cards that actually have heat issues are the R9 290X cards, and that's exclusive to the reference card, any aftermarket cooler can tame the beast.

This is all jus making me want to upgrade my PC when I get home from traveling abroad. Last I can remember I got:

Intel i7 960 (stock fan)
Radeon HD 5770
8gb of DDR3 ram
1tb Seagatr

Now I want to get an SSD but I don't know if that should be my first upgrade but it's tempting.

Do the R9 series still have artifact problems? I heard it was a really big deal but supposedly it was fixed with a vbios update. I can't find anyone that can confirm it though.

>>258617681
you should already have all of those things

>>258627806
Get the XLR8 Pro series SSDs, cheaper than the other recommended brands, but performs much better.

>>258627909
I don't think it ever had those issues beyond isolated cases, but that said, if they did they're perfectly fine now.

>>258628134
In-store pickup doesn't count anon

The G3258 kills the value of AMDs CPUs. Since its socket 1150 and Intel has already said their next consumer CPU will use the same socket. You get the Pentium now then in a year you can upgrade to a new i5

Can anyone here recommend a good monitor? I'm an indecisive cunt.

>>258628287
Price match at Best Buy.

>>258628134
$40 for that processor? Jesus, it cost $70 odd in Australia. That and Z97 boards don't really go for under $100.

Everything is so fucking cheap, why on earth do Americans even bother is current gen consoles?

>>258629240
Yeah MicroCenter is magic.

>>258628563
ebay - 2560x1440 qnix

overclock to 90+Hz and enjoy.
$300-350 free shipping

>>258619159
what the fuck is it with 4GB of ram today? I put 8 GB of 1600MHz ram in my mediocre cheap $300 build 2 years ago.

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I want to upgrade my graphic's card.
I've never done it before but I'm thinking of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202046&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

>>258629691
RAM got expensive.

>>258619031
>buying a budget build
>OVERCLOCKING a budget build

kekkest of keks

>>258629691
There was a large factory fire a while back and companies are using this excuse/reason to jew the fuck out of people instead of taking a profit margin knock.

>>258630117
Are you serious? Have you seen the benchmark results people have had overclocking that CPU?

>>258628134
>No HDD
>No BD drive
>No Poptarts
It's not even complete.

>>258630278
>No BD drive

For what purpose?

>>258630368
How else am I going to install Backyard Baseball 2000 on my new rig?

>>258625928
it was my idea

sorry

>>258620098
Low quality bait

>>258620864
>Still runs everything

Yes, like absolute and utter shit.

>>258621896
>>258622274
wow you can play the latest shitty beetlefield game at 1440p 120fps
expect it's worthless since you're still playing a shit game
there hasn't been a single great AAA title in the last several years

>>258631310
>You can't OC a Pentium G3258.
Yes you can. It is an unlocked processor. That's why there is such hype around the internet for it.

Where the fuck have you been?

http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-processor/3

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/overclockable-pentium-anniversary-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-b81-cheap-overclocking,3888.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBfXruwe8w4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zUsM_dE228

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-pentium-g3258-processor-review-quest-5ghz_145874

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6526/intel-pentium-g3258-haswell-20th-anniversary-cpu-gaming-performance/index.html

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>Building a PC to play bus simulators and shitty western multiplats
>Buying a next gen console
>Not just enjoying your Super Nintendo and PS2

The fuck is wrong with you faggots?

>>258631310
>You can't OC a Pentium G3258.
but that's wrong

>>258631815
>The fuck is wrong with you faggots?

Stop talking about pc gaming when you clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

>>258631310
>[deleted]
>You can't OC a Pentium G3258.

Nice work faggot. How about you look up things before talking shit. Helps you look like less of a moron.

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Thoughts?

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>Still using a laptop from 2008 with a core duo and a 128 mb Nvidia business GPU
>2 gb of ram
>severe heating issues (GPU can get up to 90c running a GBA emulator) requires an industrial fan on the back of it at all times


The best part about it is that no matter what computer I get next, it'll be quite an upgrade. Unfortunately, I barely play any games on it, and the only next-gen title that has me truly excited is MGS5, which I can still play on my PS3 instead of forking out 400 for a PS4 or the ~900ish to play it on a PC at superior settings to that.


Ugh. I know whatever decision I make, I'll regret it anyway.

>>258632458
Weren't those the ones that were recalled?

How much does /v/ generally spend when building a brand new rig from scratch? Is there a certain price you're never willing to go over?

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>>258632346

>wireless

>>258632781
I like making a hotspot for my devices, sometimes the router wifi doesn't cut it.

>>258632667
Depends on your budget.
>>>/falconguide/

>>258632960
Get an Alfa AWUS036NH.

>>258632516

Yep.

The recall period has expired, though. I'm lucky my house hasn't burnt down yet.

The fan keeps it idling at a crisp, cool 55-60c.

>>258633083
>Alfa AWUS036NH
>external
Nah.

>>258629179
That's still in-store anon.

>>258632458
Get a cheap pc. I would go for at least 4gb ram and a 3ghz dual core processor. Slap a 750 ti in it. Now you have an entry level gaming pc.

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>>258633328

>>258632346
Are you trying to beat a console or actually building a rig yourself? If it's for you, then hit me up on Steam, I can set you up something personalized. Gigaguy777

>>258612281
hahahahah
it is.

What do I need to consider before upgrading my graphic's card?

>>258634325
For the most part, if your case is big enough, and if your power supply will be able to provide enough.

>>258634325
Depends on what your current is and why you need to upgrade.

>>258628045
Is it true or not that SSD's have a shorter lifespan than HDD's? I've always wondered that, plus if there really is only a limited ammount of time you can write on to the drive before it starts degrading.

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Already have the case, a similar video card (PNY GTX 680 Enthusiast edition 2GB) and OS.

Thoughts?

>>258634608
Not at all true. Just don't defrag like a retard.

>>258629859
>>258634559

My case is huge.

My shit currently >>258634559

I want to upgrade in order to run more modern games smoothly. But I've never flat out upgrade my PC before. I'm new to actual PC gaming.

>>258634781
Well, fucked up the reply but its there.

>>258634781
Then you shouldn't have any problems, just read reviews. Check that PSU wattage, though. You don't want to fry it.

>>258634608
Shit SSDs will probably die quickly if you abuse them. Same goes for anything cheap though.

>>258621010
>someone on the internet said so, he must be right

>>258634608
No, this comes from a misunderstanding as to how they work. An SSD can only be written to so many times before it dies out permanently, that said, the amount of data you can write to it is often 10 to 20 times the capacity of the drive. SSDs also have no moving parts and will therefore live much longer already.

>>258635074
Even cheap SSD's nowadays will last a very long time.

>>258635043
I'd have to open my case to check that, all I can see from here is 12V.

I dunno, I'm pretty good at the innards of a computer but the actual hardware is a fucking mystery to me.

>>258635550
>the amount of data you can write to it is often 10 to 20 times the capacity of the drive.

A lot more than that. I know people who regularly write tens of GiB of data on a daily basis, to and from their SSD's. If it was only like 10 to 20 times, say, a 125GiB SSD, the drive would fail in months of heavy usage.

>>258634621
>buying anything that is labeled "gaming"
Invest another 10 bucks for the i5 4670k

Being curious here: Why do you need 3TB?

>>258635954
>>258635954
Dude, it's $100 bucks. That's a great value.

>>258635954
>Why do you need 3TB?

Not him but I've got at least 700GiB of movies, at least 100GiB of music, almost a TB of games, etc. When you like to download something instead of streaming it, especially if you are a sucker for higher quality media, like I am, storage fills up fast.

>>258635954
>buying anything that is labeled "gaming"
That's a good mobo, regardless of your autism towards marketing terms.

>>258636243
$130 is not $100 anon
And you can get one for $80
You're saving $50 with this.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97pcmate

>>258612164
>47 for a case
who the fuck needs a case anyways? just buy another 4gb ram from that money

>>258635954
its a good deal, and I do music production and video editing
also I have a 2TB external already full of movies, TV and cartoons

>>258636243
I was not about to tell you to get a 1TB, I got almost 6TB in my PC. Like I said, I'm just curious.
What exact HDD is it? Want to check it out.

>>258636354
I know.

>>258636449
It's nice, that you understand why people dislike "gaming" products.

>>258636515
The HDD

>>258636539
Gotcha thanks.

Now I feel like an autist for replying to everyone in this thread.

>>258636515
the $100 is referring to the hard drive he was talking about, not the mobo

>>258636515
Not him, and I was talking about the HDD.

>>258636631
>>258636639
>>258636615
Well shit
Either way, you're overpaying on your mobo by a decent bit man

>>258636515
I actually chose the G45 gaming board cause it has more USB ports and better onboard sound, which means something to me because i produce music

>>258619297

>I wouldn't use one of these unless it was something i put together for say a party and I didn't give a shit about it. I know a lot of people who take the side off their cases and blow a desk fan into it though (idiots).

It's not that bad if you have a horrid-chinese-box-of-heat with no airflow. Sometimes I think I should have used a milkcrate.

>>258636845
>Better onboard sound
Shouldn't you be looking into sound cards then? I know some of them are rubbish, but I highly doubt your motherboard has a better integrated sound system than most of the sound cards out there.

And USB ports are fairly irrelevant, don't buy a mobo based off those besides whether or not it has USB 3.0 support.

>>258630249
>>258619031
You don't overclock a budget build you mong.
You're dropping 30$ for that.
Just buy a 30$ more expensive CPU instead.

Does this look good? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jdhTZL

>>258637334
It's okay, but it could use some tweaking.
See
>>258633454

>>258636615
>It's nice, that you understand why people dislike "gaming" products.

The board is a Z97 ATX board for $130, on a socket which Intel is using for Broadwell.

It's a great chipset for stable overclocking, has an 8phrase cpu power socket, decent VRM. The Asrock extreme4 is probably better, but either way it is a great mobo.

>>258637141
This is the Devil's Canyon unlocked Pentium. You can't get a CPU for only $30 more that overclocks and performs better than the G3258.

The reason why people have been raving about this CPU is how fucking incredible it overclocks.

Look up the fucking CPU you are talking about, because your ignorance is showing.

>>258637460
That's actually wrong anon
The FX-6300 is $30 more, and OC's better.

>>258622286
>>258622485
>>258622623

>>258636845
>which means something to me because i produce music

I'm going to go and call your bluff here mate. If you were into producing music you would be getting a decent DAC, not a fucking sound card which is not only digital but still suffers from motherboard vibrations.

>>258637334
For what? Playing video games?
If you ask me: no.
Your CPU is overkill, and you might reconsider buying a better GPU (with the money you save on your CPU).
In case you want to keep that i7, I'd get a better CPU fan, a 20 $ is not good enough. Once again, I'd downgrade to a i5.
The Hyper 212 is the recommended CPU fan for anything below 50$.

>>258637334
Alright, managed to finish the build before the thread died, here anon. Performs better than yours, and costs less.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LgvYRB

>>258637608
>The FX-6300 is $30 more, and OC's better.

What?

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=FX-6300&spos=3

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=pentium+G3258&spos=3


That isn't $30 and it does not represent the same value for money based on performance.

>>258638091
Here

>>258637334
I forgot to add, that you might think about getting a bigger screen, in case you MIGHT want to get another scrren (or two), I'd go with 24", since it's the common size.
Think about getting an IPS screen, these are nice.

>>258638319
Ah, it's a bit more, but seeing as how it performs better when overclocked, and offers support for games that use more than dual-core CPUs, so yeah it does represent same, or even more value.

>>258638296
Never ever get a 5400 RPM HDD!
Honestly, they are so fucking slow, that's not worth the money.
Wait, why did you recommend a HDD, that's worse and costs more to begin with?

>750K when the G3258 exists

n1

>>258638564
>and offers support for games that use more than dual-core CPUs, so yeah it does represent same, or even more value.

That's bullshit. Most games and applications are heavily single threaded and in single and dual threaded applications, the Pentium overclocked wipes the fucking floor with the 6300.

If you are going to be using applications regularly enough that you need a quad core, then you aren't going to be buying the Pentium in the first place.

This Devil's Canyon CPU has better value for money when it comes to performance in gaming, than the FX 6300.

Not only that, an overclocked G- has far less heat and wattage compared to the FX 6300. You are going to not only need better cooling but a better PSU.

Overall the FX 6300 just isn't as good value when it comes to gaming, as the Pentium G3258.

>>258639126
4 cores over 2 anon, there are quite a few games that refuse to run on dual-core setups.

>>258639226
>there are quite a few games that refuse to run on dual-core setups.

List them then. Out of the thousands of games your list better be replete.

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>>258612164

>>258639217
Anon, then why is it that I was able to prove better performance in the 6300 over the G3258? Not to mention, you also gain quad-core support in games that the G3258 can't offer. The increased heat and less wattage is irrelevant as the benches I provided are at the same clock speed on air, so heat is a non-issue, and the voltage is both so little it doesn't matter, and you can decrease the voltage a CPU uses in the first place, and it costs next to nothing for higher wattage PSUs, so heat and energy is not a concern in this case. Other CPUs are irrelevant here as well, this is between the FX-6300 and G3258 man, don't get off track.

>>258639079
You learn something new every day, guess the information my professor gave me was at least ten years old. Thanks!
Though it does sound contrary, that mechanically slower HDDs are faster, gonna read that article once I'm done with work.

>>258639518
>Anon, then why is it that I was able to prove better performance in the 6300 over the G3258?

You haven't. Two games isn't "proving" anything.

How desperate are you to justify buying a shitty AMD CPU?

>>258639963
>Two games isn't "proving" anything.
Better than none. I don't see you going out of your way to prove the opposite.

>>258639291
Anon, I don't have to adhere to your requirements, that said have a few regardless. And get off your high horse.
Watch_Dogs
Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor
Metal Gear Rising
Saints Row IV

>>258639963
Not desperate to prove anything, just saying that saying the G3258 doesn't just completely stomp on the FX-6300 as you put it, at best they trade in terms of advantages and disadvantages.

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>>258639291
>I can't launch those games at all but it's ok, I will just play other game
>mhhhhh this card is soooo gooood

>>258640647
>Anon, I don't have to adhere to your requirements

Yes you do mate. You make a fucking claim, you back it up.

>4 games

Stop the fucking presses.

>And get off your high horse.
Fuck yourself cunt. Don't go around making obnoxious claims if you can't back them up. Four games out of the hundreds of games made in the past 10 years is an outlier. A statistical blip.


>>258640982
>card
What card?

>I can't launch those games at all but it's ok, I will just play other game
Well considering anon has listed 4 games, one of which is a port, another is a game which ruined the series, another is a game which was poorly optimized for pc, and another which is a last gen multiplat then yeah, I will be over here getting a stable 60fps+ on these hundreds of games.

Upset?

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>>258640647
>Watch_Dogs
>Metal Gear Rising
>Saints Row IV
All wrong.
And SoM isn't even out yet.

>>258641283
>those examples don't count because I say so

>>258641372
Those 4 games out of HUNDREDS OF GAMES, are nothing.

Stop making a fool of yourself. The claim as MANY GAMES NEED a quad core to be able to play.

4 games out of thousands is not many. 4 games out of the games made since even 2006 is a statistical outlier. As in not many. As in not even a few. As in you made a claim and failed to back it up.

>>258641283
>Yes you do
Alright, then you make a list of no lesser than 19,000 titles that are capable of running on dual-core setups, otherwise your argument is invalid.

>4 games
Uh huh, got a problem? Can't run 'em on dual-core setups, not to mention most of the titles that DO run, run like absolute shit because it's bare minimum requirements, which are not capable of running a game at resolutions and settings higher than sub-720p, low settings.

>Obnoxious claims
>Some games don't run on dual core setups
>This is a fact
>Somehow obnoxious
Yeah okay anon, keep being ridiculous, you clearly just want to shitpost me to death, especially after trying to force your own bullshit on me.

>>258641324
Going off of sys requirements now, excuse me if this isn't thoroughly researched, he's not worth the time.

>>258641574
>Quit making a fool of yourself
He's not even me man, and jesus you are so mad over this, stop it, it's not worth it.

Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that some games don't run on dual core setups, that's already proof, you can try to force requirements all you like but that's for you and you alone man. No one else really cares.

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>>258612164
>Being this Fagg

Just buy a console

>>258640647
I know for a fact this is a lie, I've personally run 2 of those on a fucking laptop.

>>258641581
>Can't run 'em on dual-core setups
You can actually, see >>258641324.
Also pic related.
And SR4 is actually really poorly optimized, so it only properly takes advantage of about 2 cores.
Just because the processor only has two cores/threads doesn't mean games that recommend 4 cores/threads won't run on them.
It's all about how well the processors perform as well as their architecture.

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>>258641904
I would forget the picture.

>>258641581
>Alright, then you make a list of no lesser than 19,000 titles that are capable of running on dual-core setups, otherwise your argument is invalid.

I don't have to do anything, because I DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE CLAIM.

>Uh huh, got a problem?
No, I don't. That's the point. With the thousands of other computer games I am able to play at 1080@60fps+, these 4 do not impact me at all. However, the claim was "many games need a quard core to be able to play".

How is 4 out of thousands "many"?

>Yeah okay anon, keep being ridiculous
I'm not the one making the claim that you NEED a quad core to play MANY games.

>>258641714
>He's not even me man, and jesus you are so mad over this, stop it, it's not worth it.

Fuck off. If it isn't you, you have no need to comment. It's that simple.

>Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that some games don't run on dual core setups
FOUR GAMES HAVE BEEN QUOTED. FOUR GAMES OUT OF THOUSANDS OF GAMES AVAILABLE.

To put that into perspective that is like saying you should buy snow chains for your car in case you want to drive across the French Alps.

It was, as demonstrated, a very unsound statement.

If you're wrong, you're fucking wrong. It doesn't matter how "mad" someone else appears to be. It doesn't change that fact that talk shit: get hit -in a rhetorical sense.

>>258641974
>FX-8350 worse than an i3

Top kek. Why do people buy AMD CPUs for gaming, again?

I get that this is a facetious statement

>>258641974
>>258641904
>>258641880
Well like I said, I'm going off of sys requirements here, I don't exactly keep a dual-core on hand for testing in case a discussion comes up. That said, keep in mind there are definitely titles that refuse to run on dual core, or suffer from serious issues in doing so.

Although all of this deviates from the main point, that the G3258 has some advantages, as well as disadvantages in comparison to the FX-6300, I don't see what the big hang-up is over the dual core thing.

>>258642067
>talk shit get hit
All I read, and god that's hilarious, anon there was a piece of proof given, I don't care about your requirements and that's that. Sorry you can't deal with that.

>>258642201
>I don't see what the big hang-up is over the dual core thing.

This post, more or less:
>>258639226


>>258642279
>anon there was a piece of proof given
Four games out of the thousands of games available isn't "proof" supporting the statement that "many games need a quad core to play".

I'm sorry you don't understand statistics. Maybe you will learn this later at school.

>>258642201
>I was proven wrong b-but they definitely exist guise!

>>258639291
>there are quite a few games that refuse to run on dual-core setups.

Are there any games which actually not play if you don't have a quad core CPU?

Any at all?

>>258642424
I'm sorry you don't understand that proof is proof man

>>258642437
>Provide proof
>It's not proof
kay
And also disregarding the original point so again, this whole things is moot and I don't get why the other guy, and you if you happen to be doing it, are getting so ridiculously hung up over one single aspect of the original argument.

It's actually hilarious, it's overshadowing the original, this is what making sequels must be like.

>>258642569
According to sys requirements yes, but in real world from what I've seen, it's all up in the fucking air, some do, some don't regardless of what they say, some run so bad it doesn't change jack shit that they run in dual core, who the fuck knows man. Computers.

>>258642571
>I'm sorry you don't understand that proof is proof man

Proof doesn't exist outside of mathematics or the act of proving in bakery. Evidence is not proof; there is a fundamental difference in the logic involved.

It appears you do not understand what this word means, and you are objectively (as in what the term actually means) wrong.

>>258642717
Oh, the vocab police are here, shit.

>>258642571
>are getting so ridiculously hung up over one single aspect of the original argument.


I don't understand what anon is so desperately and pathetically avoiding admitting he/she is wrong in the claim being made. Instead of trying to make sorry appeals to emotion, all they have to do is put their hands up and say "okay, it was a stupid statement. I was wrong. Let's move on", instead of trying to defend this statistically absurd position.

>>258642793
>vocab

You mean reasoning. It is a rather damning sign when you try to present a statement as fact only to have it undermined by the logic expressed.

You must be fucking desperate to avoid admitting making a stupid claim. This is almost as bad as when consolefags try to have a shot at trying to rhetorically make pc gaming appear to be worse value compared to console gaming.

>>258642965
>Appeals to emotion
lolwut
I'm serious, I have no idea where you got that. Regardless, just give it up man, I already gave an example Mr. Vocab, I'm good with that, you aren't, sooooo end of story.

>>258612164
>amd anything
guys amd is have the shittiest products
buy intel for cpu
and nvidia for gpu

>>258645005
>goys amd is not have good buy israel product for enjoyment

>>258612164
This build is really disgusting.

>>258645117
wow i didnt know its israeli product
ok then go for amd

> ATI

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is it OK to build your rig according to logicalincrements?

>>258647390
Exists only as a name, not a company

>>258647827
I would also like to know this

Hey guys, is an i7 needed for 120fps?

I dont like amd processors

>>258612164
>amd

why even bother?

If you can afford a pc, you cant afford a pc. Its a gap of about $70 at most.

>>258650608
Not exactly. It depends. If you have a capable gpu and some nice processor starting from i5 2500k, you can hit such framerates without 2000 bucks i7 extreme etc. Processor heavy games arent that common and arent that dependable on the cpu in general

>>258651097
Cool. Thanks, man.

I was just worried 'bout CPU bottleneck is all.

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>2 years old build
>started it up recently due to wanting to play vidya again
>slightly oc gtx580 twin frozr, 4ghz i5 2500k
>crysis witcher metro maxed out 1080p about 45- 50 fps at its minimum when shit gets very intense hordes explosions in the face
>mfw this pc is about 400-500 bucks worth now

>>258651596
Cpu bottleneck for normals is just a buzzword and an artificial requirement hysteria. It will take quadro sli of titans and a 4k metro last light with tesselation shit on to even bother an i7 in some way. Gpus are processing units by itself and upper range cpus from about 2 years back and newer are beastly in their processing supporting capabilities

These threads tend to be biased as fuck as it depends a lot on your budget and the prices of where you live
In my country the gap of price between Intel and AMD CPUs are much bigger than the ones I see on american builds, to give some examples: the G3258 is 60€, while the FX 6300 is 88€ and the 4670K is at 195€
Intel's mobos are also generally more expensive
But if you are an amerifat it would be retarded to get an AMD CPU since you can get i5 dirt cheap, at least unless you're on a very tight budget

>>258647827
>>258649785
Let's hope I'm not too late:
Yes, the site is very helpful, though you should never spend 500+ bucks on anything, without knowing too much about it.

>>258612164

You go APU only if you are going to use the APU. If not, it's better to get normal budget cpu and video card, and upgrade the cpu with the best there is when the socket's life is about to end and everyone is clearing the stock.

Depending on what your existing machine is you can drop the case and HDD, and even the psu.

>>258651596

Maymay.
Slap powerful GPU and even C2D at around 3ghz won't break a sweat.

If something's cpu bottlenecking then the problem most certainly isn't in the cpu.