>>258618246 Okay. http://www.amazon.com/iMicro-KB-IM91908-107-Key-Keyboard-Optical/dp/B008NGEAW2/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1408422897&sr=1-11 >>258618479 >that you can't use for a desktop. Actually, most laptops have a VGA port for that exact reason. And I don't know a single person who doesn't own a computer or a computer monitor.
>>258618709 Call it stuttering, and keep in mind that having low amounts of RAM usually won't cause it, it usually just crashes when you run out of RAM. The reason you get more is because some games are using more than 4GB, as well as for performance increases in non-gaming applications, usually related to video editing or other media work.
>>258618838 I wouldn't use one of these unless it was something i put together for say a party and I didn't give a shit about it. I know a lot of people who take the side off their cases and blow a desk fan into it though (idiots).
a milk crate case can be very easily converted into a decent case with some acrylic sheets/plywood/laminate/cardboard etc. and some gaffer tape.
>>258619051 You need PSN/XBL to utilize every part of the console yes, so if we're going to include something that's free on consoles but not on PC (controller) then we should include something that's free on PC but not on consoles (online).
>>258619507 >Beat the 8350 Anon, please be specific and make sure you mention this is ONLY in gaming applications. As a CPU in itself, it's stomped into the ground by damn near everything. It's good for budget builds that don't run quad-core games and nothing more.
Console peasant here thinking about switching to the pc race. Can anyone give me a rundown on what the best build would be under $600 for a good rig and why? I don't want to go to /g/ as they dont help with shit.
>>258619719 >Plus you get free games and discounts to that make up the cost entirely. Not without PS+. I've already included the price of a KB+M (>>258618790), so yes, we will include the cost of online on PSN. These machines are looking to play the same games, and if I can play BF4 online on that PC and not on that PS4, then they're not comparable machines, and they need to be as comparable as possible. PS+ remains part of the price. >>258619778 The consoles are already obsolete.
>>258619706 >Anon, please be specific and make sure you mention this is ONLY in gaming applications. As a CPU in itself, it's stomped into the ground by damn near everything.
That's bullshit and misleading. It's still a great CPU unless you specifically need a dual-core processor for certain applications. For the vast majority of people who are only using their computer for gaming, office suite applications, web browsing, video playback, etc. it is very well suited to usage without problems.
This is your best bet at a one-shot no-info buy. But ideally you want to read the information on that site then go to PC Part picker, pick some decent parts and then moderate your part prices by lowering some of them while also researching all parts you buy.
>>258619987 Anon please, the G3258 is absolute tat, and to say anything else in reference to non-gaming applications is more misleading than calling a wall a window. I'd like to refer again to the G3258 analysis video, they do a Cinebench benchmark and spoiler alert, it sucks ass. Even something like the FX-6300 will perform much better in pretty much every single application outside of gaming, and for only $30 more, there's no reason to get that low-end garbage.
>>258619719 >PS4 = $440 + 60 for first game + 60 for online for first year = $560 >>258619159 >http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tvGwmG >literally not even $500 >free games out the ass right off the bat >free online for life >better hardware by miles >mods >Faster updates >Bigger library of much cheaper games >more community tools >can also be used for about a million other >things like MS office and programming
>>258620098 I know you're trolling, but I can't hear you over the sound of you being wrong. Under $600, beats the PS4, includes a KB + M, Operating system, and Optical drive. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K9z9wP
"Whatever PC you buy, whether it is for $800 or $4000, will be obsolete in a few years. Buy a good PC, and when it becomes obsolete, buy a new one. Future-proofing is impossible. You can buy something that will be "ok" in 3 years, but you cannot buy something that will be "the best" by then, or even "really good.""
So there you go. PCs run out of steam faster than consoles and need to be upgraded more. This is common knowledge.
Console gamer here (actually idort because I have multiple good desktop and laptop PCs for all PC platforms too, I just don't prioritize PC gaming because it's not my style).
Here is my beef: I hate HDDs. Once I went SDD, for OS and apps, I couldn't go back. Considering I use PC for more than just gaming I prioritize having a good SSD over a GPU anyday. The gaming performance won't be as good, but the overall performance will be awesome. Integrated graphics can easily play most PC games out there. If you want to play intensive shit like Star Citizen or Arma3, you probably should buy a better computer than that anyway.
>>258621010 >PCs run out of steam faster than consoles God you are retarded. PCs have to be upgraded to compete with other PCs, if you are just going to compete with consoles then you NEVER upgrade because consoles will always be shit right out of the gate.
>>258621010 >PCs run out of steam faster than consoles and need to be upgraded more. But that's wrong, even now the PS4 has trouble running pretty much every non-indie game it's got. But this is a troll, so I don't know why I'm responding seriously.
Is that 2x2 GB of RAM? Why not a single stick? performance will be the same for videogaims and general use anyways, unless there's no price difference, and I think 8 GB is very neccesary and well worth the extra shekels.
>>258620919 >For games Actually, they perform equally in games friend. >How many people are going to be using the CPU for those types of applications These people are literally what the fucking discussion was about, about the quality of the CPU, you tried to claim it was good for non-gaming applications, which is false, then you tried to go back and say it doesn't matter because it works for games, which the FX-6300 also does in an equal or better manner for a slight price increase, and performs better in non-gaming applications.
Bottom line, the FX-6300 is better than the G3258 at a slightly higher price point. The G3258, again, is good for budget builds that exclusively game and do nothing else, this is not a bad thing, however you are wrong for trying to claim that it is good for other types of applications, or that it somehow stomps on the 6300 in games, it doesn't. Especially considering the Pentium is only good when you overclock it, and overclocking the 6300 to an equal degree pretty much invalidates any supposed stomping the G3258 may have done when comparing OC vs. Base
>>258621010 >PCs run out of steam wrong. steam has been on pc since half-life 2, which came out in 2004 its currently 2014. therefore, pcs havent run out of steam for 10 years that invalidates your argument completely. I dont see how you could have missed this
>>258621010 >"Whatever PC you buy, whether it is for $800 or $4000, will be obsolete in a few years. Buy a good PC, and when it becomes obsolete, buy a new one. >Future-proofing is impossible. You can buy something that will be "ok" in 3 years, but you cannot buy something that will be "the best" by then, or even "really good.""
It will NOT become obsolete in a few years, though. My GPU was released in 2012 and I'm not looking to upgrade for at least another year or two. Even then that will be only due to going from 1080 to 1440. My GTX 660Ti will be able to play games at an acceptable level for probably another four years.
My CPU, i5 3750K will likely last another five years before I feel the need to change it.
Hell I could spend the next decade playing hundreds of the PC games made after 2000 which I haven't played yet, at max settings with a bare minimum of 60 fps, without even bothering to upgrade.
Don't quote logical increments like it was some form of religious text, and take the quotes into proper context. Or else you come across like a retarded consolefag.
>>258621896 The whole concept of "master race" is retarded and you should be ashamed.
PC is an all embracing platform that will give you good games to play no matter how much money you spend on it, and the real reason why it is superior is simply because it is diverse, massive and full of freedom.
I mean, you can't even write your own games on the consoles, but you can write games for almost all consoles using a PC, including the very obscure ones.
Can I just take this time to just say that the Xbone is just a piece of shit. I mean really, THIS is what games have to look like in order to be 1080p/60. Look at this. Fucking look at this. I think even BF4 on low looks better than this shit.
>>258626419 >Power consumption This has a bearing on gaming how exactly?
>Shit drivers This is just flat out wrong, both tend to be pretty shit, and your inevitable anecdotal evidence is just one side of the argument, Nvidia has issues just as much, and I even use them myself.
>Still using pins What?
>Retarded architecture For their CPUs absolutely, but that's like saying Nvidia is shit because the Titan Z exists. Their GPUs are fine, and offer better price to performance over Nvidia's GPUs.
>Only good for rendering videos Again, CPU side, doesn't really matter.
>>258627172 >Have to use bigger PSUs That's not really an issue, in practice it ends up costing $5-10 at most, especially when you take in to account the savings over Nvidia, it's even more irrelevant. Plus, the only cards that actually have heat issues are the R9 290X cards, and that's exclusive to the reference card, any aftermarket cooler can tame the beast.
The G3258 kills the value of AMDs CPUs. Since its socket 1150 and Intel has already said their next consumer CPU will use the same socket. You get the Pentium now then in a year you can upgrade to a new i5
I want to upgrade my graphic's card. I've never done it before but I'm thinking of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202046&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0
>>258621896 >>258622274 wow you can play the latest shitty beetlefield game at 1440p 120fps expect it's worthless since you're still playing a shit game there hasn't been a single great AAA title in the last several years
>Still using a laptop from 2008 with a core duo and a 128 mb Nvidia business GPU >2 gb of ram >severe heating issues (GPU can get up to 90c running a GBA emulator) requires an industrial fan on the back of it at all times
The best part about it is that no matter what computer I get next, it'll be quite an upgrade. Unfortunately, I barely play any games on it, and the only next-gen title that has me truly excited is MGS5, which I can still play on my PS3 instead of forking out 400 for a PS4 or the ~900ish to play it on a PC at superior settings to that.
Ugh. I know whatever decision I make, I'll regret it anyway.
>>258628045 Is it true or not that SSD's have a shorter lifespan than HDD's? I've always wondered that, plus if there really is only a limited ammount of time you can write on to the drive before it starts degrading.
>>258634608 No, this comes from a misunderstanding as to how they work. An SSD can only be written to so many times before it dies out permanently, that said, the amount of data you can write to it is often 10 to 20 times the capacity of the drive. SSDs also have no moving parts and will therefore live much longer already.
>>258635550 >the amount of data you can write to it is often 10 to 20 times the capacity of the drive.
A lot more than that. I know people who regularly write tens of GiB of data on a daily basis, to and from their SSD's. If it was only like 10 to 20 times, say, a 125GiB SSD, the drive would fail in months of heavy usage.
Not him but I've got at least 700GiB of movies, at least 100GiB of music, almost a TB of games, etc. When you like to download something instead of streaming it, especially if you are a sucker for higher quality media, like I am, storage fills up fast.
>I wouldn't use one of these unless it was something i put together for say a party and I didn't give a shit about it. I know a lot of people who take the side off their cases and blow a desk fan into it though (idiots).
It's not that bad if you have a horrid-chinese-box-of-heat with no airflow. Sometimes I think I should have used a milkcrate.
>>258636845 >Better onboard sound Shouldn't you be looking into sound cards then? I know some of them are rubbish, but I highly doubt your motherboard has a better integrated sound system than most of the sound cards out there.
And USB ports are fairly irrelevant, don't buy a mobo based off those besides whether or not it has USB 3.0 support.
>>258636845 >which means something to me because i produce music
I'm going to go and call your bluff here mate. If you were into producing music you would be getting a decent DAC, not a fucking sound card which is not only digital but still suffers from motherboard vibrations.
>>258637334 For what? Playing video games? If you ask me: no. Your CPU is overkill, and you might reconsider buying a better GPU (with the money you save on your CPU). In case you want to keep that i7, I'd get a better CPU fan, a 20 $ is not good enough. Once again, I'd downgrade to a i5. The Hyper 212 is the recommended CPU fan for anything below 50$.
>>258637334 I forgot to add, that you might think about getting a bigger screen, in case you MIGHT want to get another scrren (or two), I'd go with 24", since it's the common size. Think about getting an IPS screen, these are nice.
>>258638319 Ah, it's a bit more, but seeing as how it performs better when overclocked, and offers support for games that use more than dual-core CPUs, so yeah it does represent same, or even more value.
>>258639217 Anon, then why is it that I was able to prove better performance in the 6300 over the G3258? Not to mention, you also gain quad-core support in games that the G3258 can't offer. The increased heat and less wattage is irrelevant as the benches I provided are at the same clock speed on air, so heat is a non-issue, and the voltage is both so little it doesn't matter, and you can decrease the voltage a CPU uses in the first place, and it costs next to nothing for higher wattage PSUs, so heat and energy is not a concern in this case. Other CPUs are irrelevant here as well, this is between the FX-6300 and G3258 man, don't get off track.
>>258639079 You learn something new every day, guess the information my professor gave me was at least ten years old. Thanks! Though it does sound contrary, that mechanically slower HDDs are faster, gonna read that article once I'm done with work.
>>258640647 >Anon, I don't have to adhere to your requirements
Yes you do mate. You make a fucking claim, you back it up.
Stop the fucking presses.
>And get off your high horse. Fuck yourself cunt. Don't go around making obnoxious claims if you can't back them up. Four games out of the hundreds of games made in the past 10 years is an outlier. A statistical blip.
>I can't launch those games at all but it's ok, I will just play other game Well considering anon has listed 4 games, one of which is a port, another is a game which ruined the series, another is a game which was poorly optimized for pc, and another which is a last gen multiplat then yeah, I will be over here getting a stable 60fps+ on these hundreds of games.
>>258641283 >Yes you do Alright, then you make a list of no lesser than 19,000 titles that are capable of running on dual-core setups, otherwise your argument is invalid.
>4 games Uh huh, got a problem? Can't run 'em on dual-core setups, not to mention most of the titles that DO run, run like absolute shit because it's bare minimum requirements, which are not capable of running a game at resolutions and settings higher than sub-720p, low settings.
>Obnoxious claims >Some games don't run on dual core setups >This is a fact >Somehow obnoxious Yeah okay anon, keep being ridiculous, you clearly just want to shitpost me to death, especially after trying to force your own bullshit on me.
>>258641324 Going off of sys requirements now, excuse me if this isn't thoroughly researched, he's not worth the time.
>>258641574 >Quit making a fool of yourself He's not even me man, and jesus you are so mad over this, stop it, it's not worth it.
Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that some games don't run on dual core setups, that's already proof, you can try to force requirements all you like but that's for you and you alone man. No one else really cares.
>>258641581 >Can't run 'em on dual-core setups You can actually, see >>258641324. Also pic related. And SR4 is actually really poorly optimized, so it only properly takes advantage of about 2 cores. Just because the processor only has two cores/threads doesn't mean games that recommend 4 cores/threads won't run on them. It's all about how well the processors perform as well as their architecture.
>>258641581 >Alright, then you make a list of no lesser than 19,000 titles that are capable of running on dual-core setups, otherwise your argument is invalid.
I don't have to do anything, because I DIDN'T MAKE A SINGLE CLAIM.
>Uh huh, got a problem? No, I don't. That's the point. With the thousands of other computer games I am able to play at 1080@60fps+, these 4 do not impact me at all. However, the claim was "many games need a quard core to be able to play".
How is 4 out of thousands "many"?
>Yeah okay anon, keep being ridiculous I'm not the one making the claim that you NEED a quad core to play MANY games.
>>258641714 >He's not even me man, and jesus you are so mad over this, stop it, it's not worth it.
Fuck off. If it isn't you, you have no need to comment. It's that simple.
>Not to mention it doesn't change the fact that some games don't run on dual core setups FOUR GAMES HAVE BEEN QUOTED. FOUR GAMES OUT OF THOUSANDS OF GAMES AVAILABLE.
To put that into perspective that is like saying you should buy snow chains for your car in case you want to drive across the French Alps.
It was, as demonstrated, a very unsound statement.
If you're wrong, you're fucking wrong. It doesn't matter how "mad" someone else appears to be. It doesn't change that fact that talk shit: get hit -in a rhetorical sense.
>>258641974 >>258641904 >>258641880 Well like I said, I'm going off of sys requirements here, I don't exactly keep a dual-core on hand for testing in case a discussion comes up. That said, keep in mind there are definitely titles that refuse to run on dual core, or suffer from serious issues in doing so.
Although all of this deviates from the main point, that the G3258 has some advantages, as well as disadvantages in comparison to the FX-6300, I don't see what the big hang-up is over the dual core thing.
>>258642424 I'm sorry you don't understand that proof is proof man
>>258642437 >Provide proof >It's not proof kay And also disregarding the original point so again, this whole things is moot and I don't get why the other guy, and you if you happen to be doing it, are getting so ridiculously hung up over one single aspect of the original argument.
It's actually hilarious, it's overshadowing the original, this is what making sequels must be like.
>>258642569 According to sys requirements yes, but in real world from what I've seen, it's all up in the fucking air, some do, some don't regardless of what they say, some run so bad it doesn't change jack shit that they run in dual core, who the fuck knows man. Computers.
>>258642571 >are getting so ridiculously hung up over one single aspect of the original argument.
I don't understand what anon is so desperately and pathetically avoiding admitting he/she is wrong in the claim being made. Instead of trying to make sorry appeals to emotion, all they have to do is put their hands up and say "okay, it was a stupid statement. I was wrong. Let's move on", instead of trying to defend this statistically absurd position.
You mean reasoning. It is a rather damning sign when you try to present a statement as fact only to have it undermined by the logic expressed.
You must be fucking desperate to avoid admitting making a stupid claim. This is almost as bad as when consolefags try to have a shot at trying to rhetorically make pc gaming appear to be worse value compared to console gaming.
>>258642965 >Appeals to emotion lolwut I'm serious, I have no idea where you got that. Regardless, just give it up man, I already gave an example Mr. Vocab, I'm good with that, you aren't, sooooo end of story.
>>258650608 Not exactly. It depends. If you have a capable gpu and some nice processor starting from i5 2500k, you can hit such framerates without 2000 bucks i7 extreme etc. Processor heavy games arent that common and arent that dependable on the cpu in general
>2 years old build >started it up recently due to wanting to play vidya again >slightly oc gtx580 twin frozr, 4ghz i5 2500k >crysis witcher metro maxed out 1080p about 45- 50 fps at its minimum when shit gets very intense hordes explosions in the face >mfw this pc is about 400-500 bucks worth now
>>258651596 Cpu bottleneck for normals is just a buzzword and an artificial requirement hysteria. It will take quadro sli of titans and a 4k metro last light with tesselation shit on to even bother an i7 in some way. Gpus are processing units by itself and upper range cpus from about 2 years back and newer are beastly in their processing supporting capabilities
These threads tend to be biased as fuck as it depends a lot on your budget and the prices of where you live In my country the gap of price between Intel and AMD CPUs are much bigger than the ones I see on american builds, to give some examples: the G3258 is 60€, while the FX 6300 is 88€ and the 4670K is at 195€ Intel's mobos are also generally more expensive But if you are an amerifat it would be retarded to get an AMD CPU since you can get i5 dirt cheap, at least unless you're on a very tight budget
You go APU only if you are going to use the APU. If not, it's better to get normal budget cpu and video card, and upgrade the cpu with the best there is when the socket's life is about to end and everyone is clearing the stock.
Depending on what your existing machine is you can drop the case and HDD, and even the psu.
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