>Wins first match mostly by skill, little RNG invovled bar a flinch at one point >Wins second match by pure luck by proccing flinch in the clutchiest of clutchiest moments imaginable >No one cares, muh Pachirisu underdog winnah The last game really showed that RNG can play a huge part in pogeymans and shouldn't turn a game like that.
this year's worlds was gr8 >Wolfe making it all the way from LCQ and breaking our hearts after barely missing top cut >Sejun Park and his Pachirisu winning everything >other finalist being a sadpanda mod that browses 4chan >senior champ using a bulky gengar with trick room and M-Mawile >that tragic low damage roll in Ryousuke vs Markus match >Rotom fan in swiss >Ray Rizzo, Arash Ommati, the Zheng brothers getting BTFO
>>258438436 >Also, I thought Zapdos could have Lightning Rod Hidden Ability isn't released and it was changed to Static
>It's still amusing to see this basically shit all over Smogon and their statistics. Why? Because Singles and Doubles are completely different? Pachirisu was a better choice for his team than Amoongus, reposting from /vp/
Basically he wanted a mon to take on Amoonguss' role alongside with MGyarados, so he went for Pachirisu, since everybody would be prepared for Amoonguss' anyway, but Pachirisu brings a few more twists to the table: - Electric immunity+HP recovery instead of just resist (very useful considering the electricbait that non-mega Gyara is) - Follow me NOT getting bypassed by Grass types and safety goggles (which is the downside of Rage Pwoder) - Nuzzle bypassing taunt and allowing for speed control (which has proven itself useful, especially against scarftar), in itself a somewhat unexpected thing in the current VGC14 meta (a trick room gengar got a surprise win in seniors, too) - superfang being a good offensive option on an otherwise defensive mon. Amoonguss only does something with giga drain and/or sludge bomb on supereffective hits, but superfang actually hits quite well all things considered, plus it allows pachirisu to not just be dead weight if it doesn't need to do support, but actually put some offensive presence on the field due to that (so you can't just ignore him) - the only thing that really scares a danced MGyara is priority brave bird from talonflame, really. Amoonguss is weak to that, Pachirisu brings a resist to the table.
And that's why Pachirisu was an overall superior choice over Amoonguss in his team.
>>258439538 I'm not saying that Pachirisu wasn't superior to Amoonguss (really?) but that Smogon would be shitting themselves over not using Ferrothorn or something similar.
And yes, I realize that not all Smogonfags are like that. A number of them are actually reasonable to different ideas. And really, how familiar you are with what your characters can do is probably a bigger factor than number-crunching. But the loudest and most offensive Smogonfags are the ones who tout the biggest stats on a critter and would ragequit over losing to a Pachirisu.
>>258434915 Someone went against the meta, everyone else followed the meta, guy who went against it won because people were too dumb to realize the meta is not some magic thing where everything outside it is shit.
>>258440079 >Risk management >Implying there's any risk whatsoever in Waterfall >Be it on the offensive or defensive side No one carries Waterfall for its 20% chance to flinch, they carry it because it's a strong physical water attack with no drawback. He won by RNG, not skill.
>>258440876 Then again: Smogon is singles, VG doubles. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Some Pokemon are top tier in Smogon, Some are top tier in VGC, some are top-tier in both, and some are shit everywhere.
>>258441546 I'm not denying his first victory. I am saying he shouldn't have won the second one and it should've gone to a third game. He got outplayed in the second match in the last couple of turns but still won because RNG saved him. Nothing else.
>>258441765 They're basically the self-proclaimed officials when it comes to tournament standards, regulations, and theorized tactics of competitive Pokemon of each generation. I'm not a huge fan, but they get a lot of stuff right.
>>258441765 >What exactly is the deal with Smogon? It's a website for competitive battling and analysis. They have a few "clauses" or banlists of things that make the game overly RNG-y (evasion stuff like Double Team) or overly centered around one pokemon (Arceus). Other than that, they tend to look at different teams and different strategies and see which ones work out the best.
As >>258441153 noted, Smogon tends to focus solely on single battles because they've been around since around Gen 3, and so that's what they primarily do. That, and I'm not sure how well their battle program works with double battles.
>>258441765 Its a set of rules to balance competitive play and make as much as possible viable to use though it has zero weight on anything besides its own simulator, tho people often refer to it and its tier lists to build teams as its a great resource
>>258442350 Showdown has the official format as well and Smogon also has tier lists on it.
And frankly it's good Smogon is there, it's a pretty great ruleset for what is the essence of Pokemon - 6v6 singles. I'm still absolutely baffled as to why Nintendo decided to use 4v4 out of 6 double battles as the official format, seeing how every fucking game is focused on a team of six Pokemon and single battles.
>>258441827 did we watch the same match? Jeudy went for a big ass gamble on turn 1 with that M-Lucario bullet punch but Gardevoir took it like a champ and shifted the momentum in Sejun's favor from the very beginning
>>258442350 >That, and I'm not sure how well their battle program works with double battles. They have Smogon Doubles, which is 6v6 were nearly nothing besides some Ubers is banned. It's really easy to make sth. broken in singles, but with two pokemon on the field, it's hard to do that.
>>258442597 because games are faster and it's hard to make sth. broken in Doubles. So Gamefreak can be as retarded as they want while designing Pokemon - it won't be broken, cause it can be hit by two Pokemon
>>258444605 Because of follow me, nuzzle and super fang.
Nuzzle lets you paralyze things even through a taunt, follow me helps save his teammates. Super fang means pachirisu can deal damage without having to invest in offense, letting him put more points into bulk.
>>258444784 VGC is a very different beast from OU. Doubles requires entirely different strategies, and although many of the same pokemon are used (garchomp, spooky sword, etc.), many other new pokemon are viable.
>>258444943 it wasn't really that outside of the box, he would've used Amoongus (Rage Powder, Spore) which does the same stuff better but the problem is that everyone was expecting Amoongus (Safety Goggles on a lot of people) so he used Pachirisu (Follow Me, Nuzzle).
>>258444605 >why the fuck would you use a Pachirisu to combat shit Why the fuck not? It worked.
It's not like you're using it for attacks. It has a quick Follow Me which can redirect attacks. This one has Volt Absorb, so when it used Follow Me and the enemy uses an Electric move it'll heal it. Use this in pair with Gyarados (only weak to electric) and you have a terrific pair with Pachi healing up on peoples ignorance.
>>258444851 Also what this guy said. The Pachidos combo works, especially with that movepool.
>>258444784 But that's not even true one but, these are NU mons with good guides for them
The only time a Pokemon gets shit on is when its outclassed by everything in its tier like Beedrill and even then they don't shit on it but point out that there are better options but if you insist on using it here are ways to do so
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