Daily remainder that this happened.

what

Better in every conceivable way. The game actually looked like the concept art.

My only issue with OOT 3D is that the 3D prevented them from having actual darkness which ruined much of the ambiance in most of the dungeons and also the final boss fight because they instead opted for cartoon darkness.

The interface, performance and model improvements were fucking got tier and made the game look like the artwork.

Some changes were decent and added nice visual flair, but there was a definite loss in atmosphere.

Too bad about you-know-what room in the ice cave.

Who gives a shit, it's still the definitive version.

Gyro aiming is amazing and should be in more 3DS games

>>258422438
Huh. Link lost weight.

The only issues I had with OoT3D:

>No remix music. I would have loved to hear new versions of the soundtrack and have the original as a unlockable or a option. The original team wanted to do it, but Nintendo said "no".
>Some areas of the game still looked kind of bad. Some areas received very good updates, while others looked weird.
>Final Ganon fight actually showed him due to the change in lighting, and kind of ruined the mood of the fight.

Otherwise, OoT3D is a decent version and most of what I mentioned is fairly minor. Hell, I would love to see a Wii U version sometime just so I can play it on my HDTV.

Way I see it, no reason to bother getting it when you can just play the original, unless you want Master Quest but for some reason want it on 3DS.

>>258423101

Pretty much this, OP, this is the only thing I can see wrong with your picture. The Shadows on the bottom are aesthetically more pleasing to me, in my opinion, than the top, but there is no denying that the textures and updated models (some can be argued, like Princess Ruto having a dress now, despite still looking hundred times better) are a complete step up from the old ones.

That and the menu, like this guy said. Water temple stopped being a kick in the dick with the ability to put the iron boots with ease in the bottom screen.

>>258423949
Does Master Quest run at 30fps?

>>258422438
bottom looks much better
>that feeling

>>258424103
>30fps
Who cares?

>>258424274
i do, that's why i asked

>>258422438
>there are actually people who prefer the bottom image

>tfw lost your cart like 3 years ago

The 3DS remake is superior in every single way.

>B-but the atmosphere!

Nintendo purposefully darkened areas to hide how shitty some textures look. The 3DS version is how it's meant to be portrayed, nostalgiafags are just clinging on to the gimped elements of the original game.

>>258424440
Are you me?

>>258424325
Oh, I was under the assumption that this was intended as an "it can't even do this" statement.

So at this point you can tell I don't know. I haven't actually played it, but it shouldn't run any slower than the original.

>>258424550
>Nintendo purposefully darkened areas to hide how shitty some textures look. The 3DS version is how it's meant to be portrayed
[citation needed]

>>258423134
I don't know, what room?

What has lightning and color to do with atmosphere?

>>258424705
He is completely full of shit. When OOT was made all that was top tier visuals.

>>258424789
What does cheese have to do with pizza?

What makes me laugh is v will shit in the Silent Hill HD Collection for fucking up atmosphere and lighting and things but suck Nintendos cock for fucking it up in a remake that didn't need to be made.

>>258423647
>>No remix music. I would have loved to hear new versions of the soundtrack and have the original as a unlockable or a option. The original team wanted to do it, but Nintendo said "no".
It would have been bad for sales because lots of fans would be very mad.

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>>258424550
>Nintendo purposefully darkened areas to hide how shitty some textures look
Then why did they not darken Hyrule Field and all of the other well-lit places?

Master quest is the single greatest thing to happen to any Zelda ever. Prove me wrong.

3DS version is superior. I even don't mind the stereoscopic aiming. I hope we get MM3D so I can enjoy it with slightly updated controls.

>>258424789
Everything

>>258422438
Holy shit is this real? That top looks gay as fuck.

>>258424979
>Prove me wrong.
Why?

>>258424550

Silent Hill used fog to hide how shitty the game looked and we love it. Nothing wrong with taking an easy solution if it works.

I can appreciate the fact that they tried to make it look like the concept art, but I prefer the darker and more subdued style of the original. The remake feels a little more, spiced up?

The game was considered a masterpiece 10/10 on release and is still considered such.

If it was great then then it didn't need a graphical update and censoring. Wind Wake was a game with problems. That remake was good.

>>258425071
How? It looks closer to the concept art then bottom does.

>>258424940
Why? Offering both would have been very acceptable, and they were revealing quite a bit of stuff in the game before release.

It wouldn't be like FFXHD where they forced you into the new soundtrack.

>>258425174
And the HD Collection did pretty much the same thing as this game did graphically

Although I guess this game didn't replace text with Comic Sans and use the smudge tool to make a counter look like it was longer.

>>258422438
Man the new lighting just completely ruined this scene. Originally the darkness in this scene was meant to represent Link's apprehension to being called to the quest of a hero. It symbolized his doubts and fears and used to hold a deep meaning. Now the new lightning has taken all that soul and depth away, and we are left with a shallow husk of naught.

>>258422568

dude OoT 3D Link looks nothing like the concept art

>>258422438
Obviously the models are much better (resembling the concept art), as are the environments, but why did they have to kill the atmosphere?

>>258425119
To prove a point that every Zelda should have master quest as a staple from here on out but will never happen.
Imagine a remake of Oracle of Ages with master quest. Hell even twilight princess remake with master quest...fuckig...glorious...

>>258425312

You realize there's a 90% chance that you played the censored version of OoT on the 64, right?

>>258425318
>It looks closer to the concept art then bottom does
Not really. It's just not as pointy.

Why the fuck do people even want MM3D? I'll concede that the lighting isn't THAT bad of a change for some people. But MM is ALL atmosphere. Cartoon graphics and shitty lighting will DESTROY that game.

That ambiance of the environments gave the game a little bit of eeriness, which is what I remember the old game fondly for.

I would not play the 3DS version.

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>>258422438
I dont know what makes you think i still care about OoT, Anon. I traded that game for Rogue Squadron as soon as the credits ended; it had more content and fun and playability.

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>Nintendo post 2012
>ADD BLOOM AND LIGHT TO EVERYTHING, NOW YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN SUPERNOVA
>PERFECT!

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>>258425472

OoT3D does look more like the artwork. You're fucking blind if you think otherwise.

>>258425461

I'm not an underaged faggot. I have blood, Islamic symbols and chanting. Take your bullshit statistics elsewhere.

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>closer to the concept art
In that it's not as blocky? Yeah, sure. Otherwise it's not really much closer to the concept art at all. If you want to say it's better because the model is superior then just say that.

>>258425174
But in silent hill it adds this weird ambiance to the situation, and the HD collection fucked it up by taking the fog out so the game as a whole FEELS different.
In OOT it's just so you don't see shit textures.

>>258425356
>Thinking anything in Zelda games besides MM is meant to represent or symbolize something "deep"

>>258425768
Yeah, it does, from the standpoint that it's not as pointy. Otherwise it's really not any closer to the concept art in terms of actual design.

>>258425776

No in SH the fog and Darkness literally exists to cover shitty textures and draw distance. But it works I'm their favor because it cultivated atmosphere. The same exact thing applies to OoT. It cultivated a darker atmosphere. Just because they took a shortcut doesn't mean it didn't add to the game.

>>258425776
>In OOT it's just so you don't see shit textures.
see >>258424972

>>258425356
I do believe you might be looking too much into the limitations of the 64's hardware.

n64 oot looks like trash
it's like playing polygon adventurer
fuck that shit

>>258425984
>it all has to be skin-deep except MM
Oh just unsheathe your damn katana already you pretentious fuck.

>>258422438
It was a perfectly good remake.

Gyro aiming is a fucking godsend.

This is why I pray that Majora's Mask 3D will never be released.

>Zelda fans hate atmosphere
Not that the remake wasn't overall superior but it's really no surprise you all hated Twilight Princess.

>50 posts in
But you'd fuck Link, right?

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Same deal here, OOT 3D is better but the lack of true darkness is a real issue. In the original N64 final boss the final battle takes place in darkness where Ganon is a hulking silhouette with glowing eyes that only gets briefly illuminated by lighting strikes.

In OOT 3D the fight just takes place in broad daylight. If OOT 3D had proper darkness it would be absolutely the definitive version, it's still mostly better though.

>>258426145
>>258425776

Prove it.

And even if it were true it worked and gave the game a unique atmosphere. You can't just take a dark and gothic feeling game and just turn it into a bright and cheery cartoon.

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How mad will you guys be when they remake MM, lighten everything up and ruin the very thing that makes the game remarkable?

>>258422438
Link was my first crush and he's the reason why I'm so found of boys

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>>258422438
I cannot for the life of me understand why people would want a Majora's Mask remake. It's gonna be on the 3DS, and it's gonna look like that.

>>258425336
I agree. An example of a game doing it right would be cave story+. It offered old, new, and remastered versions of the soundtrack.

>>258425174

silent hill looked amazing for a ps1 game, the fog was used to hide the draw distance and nothing else.

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>>258426359
Ha! you know you'd blow all of Nintendo's employees and shareholders for a remake, you lying fuck.

>>258426452
I like being able to actually see Ganon, but I still agree that the atmosphere is overall better in the N64 version.

>>258424584
You're mental

>>258426579
*tips katana*

>>258426593
>tfw seeing that silhouette for the first time

One of my favorite OH ITS FUCKING ON NOW moments.

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>We can't make it dark so lets make it blue!

Sweet Diablo 3 logic there Nintendo. You get the picture.

>>258426862
That's the least of my problems.

>>258426902
I love how he doesn't have a brief descriptor boss subtitle. He's just GANON.

>>258426510
>Prove it.

It was a console DUH.

>>258422438
Looks better in every way. It's not exactly A Boy and His Blob level but it's still an upgrade

>>258422438
>the game looks better

I already knew and remembered this

oot3d>mm>oot

mm3d when

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>>258426902
aaand its ruined

>>258422438
I dont remember that scene in the N64 being so dark

When will people learn the different between concept art and illustrations?

>>258426551
MM is generally a lot brighter than OoT, mostly owing to the fact that they ditch pre-rendered backgrounds. The game is carnival-themed after all.

As for OoT3D (and WWHD for that matter), accept the good adjustments and stomach the not-so-good ones. It's not like this is the sole rerelease of the game.

>>258427170
No one could possibly defend this.

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>Majora's Mask is loved for being dark brooding eerie and mature.
>People want a remake in an engine that removes all darkness, eerieness and atmosphere

Can't wait to play pic related.

>>258425565

>cartoon graphics

its just better models bro, its not a fucking style shift like windwaker.

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>>258422438
Bottom looks better.

>>258426627
That's cute. I never really loved Link that way until I was an adult though. For some reason I admire all those teenage/young-adult heroes, Link, Aang, Yugo, Simon, Aladdin, etc. etc. It's the one archtype I can't get enough of.

>>258427170
Why is it so bright in the back? Did he get struck by lightning?

>>258426510
But OOT doesn't have a dark and gothic feeling
Like what are you even talking about?
MM had a dark and eerie feeling, maybe you're getting the games mixed up, but OOT was as dark as any other Zelda, in that there are moments that feel perilous and there's an all consuming evil.

And if you really need me to prove it, fucking look at the remake.
Obviously if they changed it to look bright and cartoony then it means it was originally supposed to look like that and they just lacked the capability to do so.

>>258427226
MM is a lot more saturated than OOT. I don't know that I agree that it's brighter though.

>>258427310
I don't know, you can actually tell he's a pig now, instead of a generic lizard

>>258425768
Yeah, but it still looks off. For me N64 models > Concept art > 3DS, but 3DS doesn't look that bad.

>>258427429
>they just lacked the capability to do so.
They really didn't. I mean, shit, have you ever played a N64 game in your life?

>>258427368
Link does look a little cartoonier, but that's fine with me, because of the anime-esque concept art. It's the lighting that fucks up the atmosphere for me.

>>258425565
MM already has cartoony graphics.

>>258427409
Nah, the fight just takes place in broad daylight in the 3DS one. Ganon is fully visible at all times. The 3D prevents them from having actual darkness so they used tricks like >>258426935 to get around it or just ditched the darkness entirely.

>>258427429
>But OOT doesn't have a dark and gothic feeling
Yeah it kinda does. A lot of the temples were dark and eerie, just not all in the same way like MM was designed.

>>258427523
That's just your fault for being retarded.
He was always a pig.

Honestly, for the visuals, I think that the better lighting in the original (especially for the final boss /phantom ganondorf fights) is more important than the improved textures and models. I really have a hard time decided which one I want to play, having to decide between the framerate/touchscreen and the original shading. I really wish they just remade it for a console.

>>258427162
OOT is seen by many as the greatest game of all time. The same can't be said about MM but then again they did remake WW.

>>258427629
>The 3D prevents them from having actual darkness
Is that really true? Why is that even a thing?

>Not just emulating it with a bunch of graphics mods and HD textures

>>258425565
The character designs in OoT/MM are cartoony in that they're exaggerated, but in my opinion that doesn't mean that they're light hearted. Some of the more stylized NPCs looked really fucking eerie, and I'm not talking about the low poly count.

>>258422438
> This

You mean OoT 3D being an oversaturated mess that compromises both cinematography and general color composition of a classic?

Thanks flr remindong me, asshole.

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>>258426593

And here it is ruined.

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who gives two shits about "muh atmosphere" ?

OoT 3D is still the better game

>>258427669
You couldn't tell, it was too dark in the original like they were scared of showing you the actual model of what you were fighting

>>258425391
yes he does

>>258427961
>who gives two shits about "muh atmosphere" ?
People who liked OoT, apparently.

>>258427523
You're only supposed to barely be able to make out what he looks like. That's the point of a silhouette.

>>258427961
Yeah, there are so many other improvements OOT 3D is still the better version. But the lack of darkness is still a huge bummer, I'd love for them to go back and fix it to create the true definitive version of OOT.

>>258427891
HD textures are the only graphics mod you can use. Replacing models and environments won't be available for a very long time, if ever.

>>258427170

i didn't actually beat oot until like 2008 as a teen so I don't have nostalgia. 3d looks better.

>>258426186
I was hoping Polygon Adventurer was a real game

>>258422438
I don't remember the original game looking like that at all.

>>258422438
you gonna cry about, bitch?

>>258427992
First of all, there were plenty of instances during the fight were you could see his snout.
Second, this isn't the first time Ganon showed up in a Zelda game. Hence why I apparently wasted my time to say that he was always a pig.

Whatever you perceived is on you.

>>258427961
Most of the best things about MM and OoT were atmospheric things. Gameplay wise, the only thing special about OoT is the dungeon designs, and even then they aren't fantastic. The only dungeon that's actually improved in the remake is the water temple.

Calling out nostalgia will always be the most annoyingly shitty argument strategy on /v/.

>>258428129
>lack of darkness

So? Why do you feel the need to have every room and place to be "dark"? To justify yourself that you're not playing a game for kids? Because that's what OoT is. A game for kids.

>>258424715
The room underneath the frozen Zora's Fountain that's inaccesible as a child, as you lack the iron boots.
People claim that there was supposed to be a dungeon there or whatever, but it's ridiculous, the location has no flair, it looks like a good spot for a hidden Fairy's Fountain and little else.

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>>258427170
Who the fuck

was in charge of this port?

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>>258426627
I feel you. I would always tell my brother to play Marth for me so he could win and I could see him pose.

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>>258428225
I didn't like the design then because it didn't look a thing like Ganon

It still doesn't, it looks like a giant lizard holding dopey looking knives with a giant FUCK ME HERE tail for no raisin

But at least the OoT 3D one has a visible snout

>>258427170
>>258427960
Wow and who, besides autists, gives a shit?

>>258424979
Master quest is stupid, cows are no switches how unexpected huh?. Hey this switch is now hidden on a spot that will rarely get picked by the camera HOW WILL YOUR WITS SOLVE THIS NEW CHALLENGE?

>>258427575
how is being a flat faced polygon man not more cartoony than a proper model with discwenble features? Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

>>258428728
Master quest is just dungeons done in a different way.

>>258427365
>tfw this image only makes you want to play a kawaii version of MM even more

ITT: Autists argue about how the N64 version of OoT is better than the 3DS remake despite the remake looking objectively better because they can't let go of their nostalgia.

>>258428184
It is, it's called 3D Dot Game Heroes, anon.

>>258423101
>I be a gangsta yo, but y'all knew dat n' mah only issue wit OOT 3D is dat tha 3D prevented dem from havin actual darknizz which fucked up much of tha ambiizzle up in most of tha dungeons n' also tha final boss fight cuz they instead opted fo' cartoon darkness.

Excuse the gangsta, I'm reading the page through Gizoogle

The darkness wasn't really an issue for me. I feel it still had the atmosphere of the original, and like the previous poster said, da game straight up looked like da concept art yo.

>>258428250
>Gameplay wise, the only thing special about OoT is the dungeon designs.
Are you really forgetting Z-targeting?

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Yes, clearly OoT was NEVER intended to be dark in tone AT ALL. It was ALWAYS meant to be bright and cartoony at ALL TIMES, and they were just using shadow to hide shitty textures, like they SO CLEARLY DID in this section.

Y'know, yeah, the remake is better, but don't act like the lighting that resulted was always what was intended when it clearly wasn't.

Leave it to fucking Zeldafags to not even understand their own fucking games.

>>258425565
>MM is all atmosphere

No, MM is all sidequests and plot. No one gives two shits if the lightning is dark or light.

>MM
>not having kiddy cartoon graphics

Oh, I'm sorry, baby. Did you really think Majora's Mask was a super-grown up game for mature gamers when you were 8?

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>>258427429

Nigger go the fuck back to art school. Look at pic related.

Do you even know what gothic architecture and art looks like? It's not Cradle of Filth and Hot Topic.

George Lucas kept ruining the OT with his changes. Are they better because they're more in line with his original view now that he has the technology? But you'll probably ignore this part of the post hue.

>>258428950
It's the same layout, with switches and stuff placed at different points. Such as replacing the switch thingies in Jabbu's Jabbu's with cows. SO DIFFICULT.

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>>258426627
>>258428538
>tfw people want to make him a girl

>>258429180
he's retarded, don't waste your time

>Nintendrones/Zeldafags in charge of understanding aesthetics at all
Why do all the things I like end up having shit fans?

>>258429180
>people trying this hard to make their kiddy game look like it's 2mature4u

OoT3D would be the definitive version if it weren't for the inferior graphics and control layout. As is GameCube Master Quest edition is the best.

>>258429526
Zelda fans are admittedly the worst, this thread is perfect proof.
There's like a rule, you can only like one game, and liking one more than any other means the rest are SHIT.

>>258429526
you say that like it's exclusive to zelda/nintendo.

literally every fanbase in existence is full of retards & fanboys

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>>258429180
It's the same shit, you fucking autist

>>258429406
>girl link is very well received and girls/waifufags make sure there is never a male link again

Its a good thing this will never happen

>Muh grim and dark lighting
zeldautists everyone.

>>258428704

Literally letting Nintendo get away with butchering artstyle, lighting and atmosphere because it's Nintendo.

/v/ routinely shits on other developers for doing this kind of stuff all the time. Just look at the Silent Hill HD comparison up there.

WOW THEY FUCKED UP THE FOG WHO BESIDES AUTISTS GIVE A SHIT?

Maybe you're fine with settling for shit but some of us have standards. Enjoy your whale of a wife you end up settling for.

>>258429152
Z-targeting was a great system, but it didn't make the gameplay more fun. It would have if the combat was better.
I guess z-targeting was something that was special about ocarina of time, especially when compared to other camera systems. In my head I was thinking of the combat being nothing to write home about, but z-targeting itself is.
To answer your question, I totally forgot about z-targetting.

>>258429406
>not wanting him to be a girl

>>258429717
>you say that like it's exclusive to zelda/nintendo.
Uh, no I didn't? Zelda/Nintendo was mentioned because it's relevant to this thread.

How is Link pronounced?

RINKU?

>>258429647
> inferior graphics and control layout.
wut

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>>258429406
pls no

>>258429753
Again proving the point that they weren't just hiding the textures with low lighting.

Why is it always Zelda remakes that Nintendo screws up? Star Fox 64 3D was great.

All these people ITT yelling WHO CARES ABOUT ATMOSPHERE AND VISUALS.

Not realizing that the world is the most important part of Zelda. There's literally nothing Zelda does gameplay-wise that stands out as amazing or better than any other game in the genre. But Zelda has always pulled off an immersive and atmospheric world that truly gave you that sense of adventure.

>>258429647
>inferior graphics

The lack of shadows/darkness is bad but the improved details make up for it. Link doesn't look like his face was whacked by a pan.

These are the same people who would defend the Silent Hill HD Collection.

>>258423949

That's the most generic fucking excuse I ever heard

3D is the superior version, a simple change of lighting that only ever effected the ambience of the final boss doesn't mean shit

You guys are worse than Mass Effect 3 hating fags

>>258430087
>>258429796
samefag

>>258425356
I understand symbolism is up to interpretation, but please do not state what you felt the atmosphere was supposed to represent in such a matter-of-fact manner.

>>258430114
>You guys are worse than Mass Effect 3 hating fags
Okay, you HAVE to be false flagging.

>>258425356
Nice headcanon you got going there, bro.

>>258429753
Actually I think it looks spookier here

>>258430114
OoT3D defenders confirmed for EAfags

All credibility lost

Abandon your current argument with any and all retards

>>258430015
I;m annoyed that Star Fox 64 didn't improve the framerate of Aquas

the worst fucking stage and you didn't bother fixing the framerate goddman

>>258425312
The remake was worth it for packaging in Master Quest and the Iron Boots fix.

>>258430114
It turns the final fight into a complete joke, ruining the whole end of the game, so it's the inferior version. Fuck off.

>>258430398
I'd agree if it wasn't for the orange.

>>258430445
>waaah! the final battle is not dark and edgy like when I was a kid, so it's shit!!

>>258422438
Link and Saria look better on the 3DS.

>>258430432
>You will never get a Majora's Mask remake that fixes the Elegy of Emptiness

why live

>>258430445
It was never that tense of a fight.

I really, really liked it. I think I got more out of the remake than the original, even if I played the original more.

>100%'d the game and a 3 heart run
>Want to do a 100% Master Quest
>Illogical puzzles piss me off
>God damn that game makes me angry

As an adult, all the puzzles in OoT are very easy. Master Quest? Not at all. Doing illogical things like hitting a cow head to open a door in Jabu Jabu just irritates me.

>>258430560
>dark and edgy
>using buzzwords
>relying on strawman as an argument
Is this all you have left?

>>258430556
it's lightning generated from the bloody colored clouds and the decay of buildings and floor tiles

It's way better than just different shades of shit-brown like >>258429180

>>258430595
Anon, playing that song over and over and over was the highlight of MM.

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>one is darker than the other
>that warrants an entire thread of shitposting

Short of it is, why do you care? some people prefer the new models and brighter setting of the remake, others prefer the dark and dirty original. Both have the same plot, same controls, same everything save for those details. I mean have things become so bad that the fanbase is attacking themselves over trivial shit now? fucking cannibals the lot of you.

>>258430579
dose ears do

>>258423101 Here.

I'm sorry that my views got faggots like >>258430413, >>258430445 and so on posting. I do feel that the lack of shadows and darkness hurts the ambiance in many select areas of the game but OOT 3D has so many gameplay and performance improvements that it is clearly the superior version in spite of that one issue.

>>258430445
>It turns the final fight into a complete joke
...Not really.

The people who say the remake did a better job with that are wrong, sure, but to say that the entire game is completely ruined and that it totally upsets the tone 0/10 would not pirate is hugely blowing things out of proportion.

>>258425318
I've played video games in my childhood, not concept art.

Look, I can make an argument as retarded as yours easily:

The original released game is a lot closer to the originally planned version that they've showcased before in terms of lighting and the 3DS port has completely gone off in the wrong direction.

>>258430704
You're an autistic shitposter, so you get a shitpost as response

>>258429796
>letting Nintendo get away with
Stop right there. You think Nintendo gives a damn about a bunch of autistic whiners that won't shut the fuck up about atmosphere? No one is letting Nintendo get away with anything. They're a company and they will do what they will.

>>258430445
The final fight is fine.
The lighting is a bit brighter in the Pig Ganon bit but the upgrades to his design make him look very imposing and threatening regardless.

And it really isn't as brightly lit as you guys pretend it is. The battlefield is still covered in a brown smoke and is one of the darkest areas in the game despite the lighting changes.

>>258430015
I'm positive that some get too hung up over SF643D's re-recorded (out of necessity) dialogue.

And let's give credit/blame where it's due since OoT3D was a Grezzo project.

This is why gaming will never be taken seriously.

If someone came into a fucking CLASSIC movie and just fucked with the cinematography there would be an outrage. Yeah totally fuck the atmosphere and lighting of 2001: A Space Odyssey only autists will care xd lmao!

Can we seriously not agree that the game was superior on 3DS but the atmosphere was better on N64? Why are you fags always so black-and-white about everything?

>>258426579
Nintendo logo is grey now bruh

>>258430796
>"NOOOO STOP DISCUSSING THINGS LET'S ALL HUG EACH OTHER"

>>258430976
I didn't like it much but I dealt with it.

Slippy was at least improved. Falco lost a bit of that sarcastic edge though.

>>258428995

The lighting is objectively worse. That's what is being discussed here.

This debate is basically Textures vs. Lighting. Which is more important.

>>258431072
>SHUT UP FAG IT'S SHIT
>NO YOU SHUT UP FAG YOUR VERSION IS SHIT
>repeat ad infinitum
>"discussion"

>>258430976
Grezzo is a cheapo shovelware company. They didn't do anything that you wouldn't expect of them. I don't see why you wouldn't blame nintendo for hiring them instead of either doing it internally or hiring a better developer.

>>258430824
>>258430961
Oh, sure, why don't we change it further so they're now fighting on the beach? And why don't we put Ganon in a speedo while we're at it? Cause the context and setting don't matter at all, do they?

>>258426452

OoT3D Ganon has that "you're making me nervous" gorilla face.

>>258431072
You're not discussing though, you're shitposting. Some people have already said but it's always black and white with you fucks. Both titles have their merits and no amount of devastation on your part is going to change that.

>>258431213
Let your nostalgia go...

>>258426376
It was too short, too easy and too boring

The atmosphere and graphics were the least of its issues

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>>258425720
>Rogue Squadron
I love you

>>258430983
Except Ocarina of Time never had strong atmosphere or writing.
The game triumped because it was the best example of a 3D transition in its generation, the Z targeting system and for the scale of its overworld compared to its PS1 competitors.

If Majora's Mask came out and everything was bright neon and colorful there would be a legitimate complaint, because that game is entirely dependent on its atmosphere.

>>258431274
That's how shitty he looked originally. People keep sucking OoT's dick over and over again. It's so fucking awful.

>>258431259
The fight was always shit since Ganondorf just reheated the Magic Tennis from the fourth boss in the game, while Ganon himself was an Iron Knuckle you weren't allowed to Z-Target

There's no way you could make that fight a bigger anti-climatic joke than it already was

>>258431313
I'm not that person but I played OoT in 2011 and I would say that the lightning is definitely better in the original.
Of course, you used ellipses, so you're probably not serious.

>>258422438
N64 version is the best.
But I still have 64 hours of the 3DS version, and it remains as my longest played game on 3DS since I got it years ago.

>>258431414
>If Majora's Mask came out and everything was bright neon and colorful there would be a legitimate complaint, because that game is entirely dependent on its atmosphere.

But MM had TONS of color and was bright.
Did you even play it?

>>258429240

Why do people keep doing this? I don't recall a single person trying to say the games looked more mature with the OoT lighting.

Nobody is trying to pretend like Zelda is Seven Angry Men.

Are you diehard Zeldafags really too fucking stupid to understand that atmosphere doesn't make something edgy and mature?

>>258430704
>ignore the post proving you're wrong
>respond to shitposts to feel right
Is this all you have left?
inb4: U mad

>>258431397
>It was too short, too easy and too boring
>>258431414
>Ocarina of Time never had strong atmosphere or writing.

Now, this is shitposting!

>>258426935
I was doing that fight on Master Quest (Gamecube version) recently and it was pitch black for me. I had to crank up my brightness on my TV. Fucking horrible, but fitting.

So I think we've covered that "nostalgia" is the only argument against the original OoT's lighting. How about we move onto setpieces now? I remember there was some flair added to the water temple.

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What's with all the handpicked images in this thread? the original had better lighting in places but lets not pretend it was fantastic, as far as the lighting was concerned everything was the middle of the night.

Everything in OOT3D was better except lighting and the censorship, does anyone really dispute this?

There are people on /v/ right now in this very thread being graphics whores about OoT textures.

The textures sufficed in 1998. They're fine now.

Just look at Silent Hill. You don't need great textures and models to have a great atmosphere. But take out the lighting and Silent Hill would be unplayable.

It wasn't for the WiiU, that's the problem. A 'remake' that's as poorly made as WWHD. OoT deserved better.

>>258431617
In places it did.
I'm talking about putting a bright blue sky and bright colors in places like the final hours and the dark twisty corridor you take to enter Termina.

One of Majora's Masks' strongest points is its ability to balance its dark, mysterious and creepy atmosphere with its bright and colorful ones. Changes to the lighting system could have a really strong impact on the game, much more so than Ocarina of Time.

>>258431902
what censorship

>>258430952

Ah so we should never ever criticize games and companies. Got it.

>>258431860
>Handpicked images
As opposed to...?

>>258424940
Yet they added things like Sheikah stones.

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Yet more examples of cherry picking by N64 defenders, OoT3D is a straight improvement here.

>>258431902
What censorship?

>>258431902
Apparently the huge dispute is that the lighting was also better.

>>258432101
>>258432032
Green blood
Literally made the game worse than Zelda II

>>258431902
>censorship

?

>>258431651
>Pretending Ocarina of Time had a good story.
It's arguably one of the worst in the series.

>>258432091
Not in Master Quest.

>>258432095
We can all cherry-pick all day long.

>>258432095

>inb4 hurr 2red4me

>>258422438
Why is Zeldas hair green?

>>258430560

Making something dark and brooding isn't inherently bad, anon. Stop being a child about this.

The scene was dark and unnverving. It was supposed to be. That's undeniable. Changing it to the middle of the day ruins the atmosphere.

>>258432095
The one on the right looks like shit.

>>258432187
It was also censored on some batches of the original OoT. My version has green blood. Whatever it takes to retain the E rating.

>>258432187
Most of the N64 versions had the red blood censored aside from the Jap version and the first US version.Also all western versions had things like the Sage's deaths censored and such.

>>258432095
No, it's not. Dodongo looks more detailed, sure, but the background is way too colorful and crispy. It looks like shit.

>>258428683
Too bad he doesn't look like blue-turquoise Whizzpig from DKR anymore broseph ;^((((

>The only place the new lighting looks particularly bad is Ganons transformation sequence and the Bottom of the Well
>The rest of the game looks ten times better
>The new visuals are clearly terrible

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>>258427429
>But OOT doesn't have a dark and gothic feeling
Confirmed for never playing the game.
Fuck off out of threads for games you never even played you fuckface poser

>>258432303
it's her rebel phase.

>>258432032
>>258432101
>>258432190
The green blood at the end and the Fire Temple have been changes since V1.2 of the N64 version. Symbol changes have been around since the GameCube version. However, I've heard that they removed the blood from the Bottom of the Well, which was kept in V1.2 of the N64 version and all ports afterwards, including the Wii VC edition.

I know for a fact they changed the blood when you cut the walls of Jabu Jabu's insides from blue to yellow. Also, the effect when Link is hit looks less bloodlike. At least they kept the blue and green blood for enemies.

>>258432235
Which you have to unlock for some reason.

>>258432187
But the blood was green in most copies of OoT too...

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>>258426452
Misleading

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>>258427807
Are you dumb? 3D has always had this issue. The technology darkens the picture and it's the big issue with 3D movies and games.

I don't care much about the "eye-popping" gimmicks but the color loss is what fucking makes my blood boil.

>>258432402
THE WATER IS PHAAAAAAAAZOON!

>>258430856
Are you actually arguing that links face looks better in the bottom compared to the concept art released along side it and the 3DS Link's face?

>>258432402
That 3DS water looks like fucking goo.

>>258422438
and that's why Nintendo is dead to me now

>>258431414
>Except Ocarina of Time never had strong atmosphere

Nigger what. The entire Zelda series is all atmosphere and world.

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>>258427170
>post misleading off-screen shitty camera shots
>pretend the entire game looks like that

>>258432402
3D looks way better.

It looks like an actual lively, magical forest

>>258430560
American McGee's Alice is dark and brooding. Is that game bad now?

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>>258432405
>right next to a pool of lava
>IT'S TOO FUCKING COLOURFUL

Are you actually serious? i fucking hope not.

>>258422438
Let me guess, Nintendodrones are defending the shitty 3DS version that has no fucking lighting

>>258422438
Nintendo claimed they did that because the dark scenes created too much ghosting with the 3D turned on. Because, you know, people only wanted it for the 3D effect.

>>258431462

No he didn't. Original Ganon looked way more pissed. His mouth was wide open like he was screaming at you.

>>258432574
While it looks like it's made out of Minecraft blocks on the N64 one. Choose your poison.

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>People in this thread are ACTUALLY complaining about how bright everything in OoT:3D looks
Holy shit, have you guys ever fucking turned off the fucking backlight?

>>258431860

3D looks too...warm. Loses the gothic vibe for me.

>>258432847
Half of the idiots here haven't even played the 3DS version

>>258432656
Yes, it's mallgoth shit.

>>258431860
Yeah, OoT3D generally does green and amber set-ups much better. Darker scenes and water are where it falters. Pre-rendered backgrounds being updated to polygons is another big plus.

>>258430015
Are you kidding me?!

I was excited about it until I learned they removed the awesome Lylat voices

That's a total of 50% of the fucking voices of the game

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>>258432405
N64 version is filled with yellow smog

>>258432429
Do you even know what Gothic means?

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>>258432847

>>258432574
It looks like LttP water.

3DS version is better. The entire world feels better with the brighter colours and higher res textures.

Feels more vibrant and alive. Especially castle town.

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>>258432847
I don't even own a 3DS

>>258432953
This Castle Town is way better than the original.
Especially since it makes the shift into Redead Hell a lot more drastic.

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>>258432953

>>258432847

>what is contrast

>>258432095

Not getting into this debate but it's weird how everything in the left image looks...smaller. The cave looks less expansive and King Dodongo himself looks like a manlet.

>>258432953
>>258433086
I'd chalk these up to improvement.

>>258433086
Post Dark Link

>>258432729
Lava doesn't emit fucking fluorescent light.
>Grass
>Inside of the Deku tree
Seriously, it's shit.

>>258432801
I choose the one that looks like actual water and not like radioactive stuff, thanks.

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>>258432847

>>258433235
he just said the 3DS castle town is better than the original, you stupid fuck

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>>258432965
do you?

>>258433154
Yeah, I noticed that. Otherwise it's a clear improvement but that is pretty jarring.

>>258431902
>censorship

Still haven't picked up OoT 3D since nowhere around here sells it and I haven't bothered to order one yet. What did they censor?

>>258433154

Probably because of the more solid colors. In OoT the whole cave looks misty, so you can't get a good feel of how far up the roof is.

>>258432347
That's the original N64 one.

>>258422438
Ears and shadows got worse. Everything else got better. What's the big deal?

>>258433235
>3D fags so mad they don't even know who they're getting mad at

3D Zelda on 3DS fucking when?

ALBW is just like all the other Zelda games that have been created on handhelds. If they can make OOT on 3DS, why not make another Zelda game on it just like it?

>>258433352
Can't even see Death Mountain from Castle Town in the original even though you can see it from outside of the Temple of Time:
>>258432953
lel

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>>258432938
I think it's alright with dark areas but the problem i see is, the original was all in with the dark, there was no balance, but the 3DS version tries to balance it with lighting with varying success.

>>258433248
>now complaining about grass inside the guardian spirit of the forest

Your retardation knows no bounds anon.

>>258432095
>All dat heat and fire
>No smoke, steam or anything in the 3DS version

wut?

>>258433352
You got me.
The outside of the Temple of Time is the one fucking place in the game that has Gothic-esque architecture and a dark atmosphere.

Good thing it still looks good in the remake and Castle Town is one of the biggest examples of improvement in the game.

>>258432729

Why wouldn't they just make an updated wood texture? He's a tree...

>>258433451
>>258431902
3DS version didn't censor anything.
The red blood, Fire Temple chanting, and Islamic crescent were all removed in later N64 revisions and the Gamecube release.

>>258431651
I finished the game over the course of two days, with breaks and lots of sleep, without any issues or using guides

That is too easy and too short

The only fun new gameplay elements were the spinner and waggling the Wiimote (for 5 minutes)

You're a prime example of shitposting

>>258433579
I'm still left wondering why are there no random soldiers standing in front of the castles gates even after all these years.

They're inside the gates, literally, right after the drawbridge, but not outside?
Are they all fucking dead when the PRINCESS appears and flies outta there like a bat outta hell?

Where are the fucking soldiers standing guard?
This could have been a pretty big fucking change for the game.
Add random NPCs out in Hyrule field.
What the fuck?

Is there really a nigger in her claiming the 3D version is how the game was SUPPOSED to look all along?

That's complete bullshit. The lighting was fucked up because of the 3D, nothing more.

>>258429406
Bear with me for a moment here, but: what if Zelda was a girl?

>>258433791
>Soldiers patrolling Hyrule Field
I wish

>>258433725
Trees shouldn't be hollow or contain lit torches either

>>258432801

Niglet what.It looks like liquid how does it look like solid cubes at all?

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>>258433639
It's still a 3DS anon, i think that would have broke it. Would have been nice though.

>>258433791
Well you do have that guard in the alley after the scene you're talking about so that's something i guess? still what you're asking is a pretty tall order for the N64

Also the dark in this image isn't all that different, N64 has a blue filter but that's it really.

>>258433579
I'll take bottom on this one.

>>258433762
>too short
It's over 35 hours long. How is that too short?

>>258433791

I imagine the reason they even have a drawbridge is so they don't have to deal with all the bullshit going on outside, like endless skeletons. It's impossible to secure anyway, so why post a poor bastard out there.

>>258433995
Why is his hat sticking out now? There is no wind judging from the rain's direction.

The issue is OoT 64 has a cool palette and OoT 3D has a warm one.

So warm scenes look better on the 3DS and cool scenes look better on OoT.

But the problem with that as since it was designed originally in cool colors most of the setting is cool and so 3D's warmness fucks a lot of things up.

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>>258422438
I think the 3DS version is superier in ever way, except for very few ambient changes (see Ganon and Ganon's Castle) and the fact that Navi asks you take a break every once in a while. That's just my opinion though, but I don't see how they did anything wrong otherwise.

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Just to show i'm not biased with these comparisons here is a pretty embarrassing one for the 3DS. N64 fucking blows it out of the water.

>>258434186
Perhaps ganon is exerting his pressure, DBZ style?

>>258433995

I wonder how many times remake-Ganon took the ugly stick to the face while growing up

>>258434064
This, even on my third or so playthrough it took me over 30 hours

>>258433995
Why are the mane and the tail of the fucking horse shinning? Stop posting, dude, we already know the 3DS version looks like absolute shit.

>>258434105
My immersion, really.
I'd feel like the kingdom is flourishing, and it MAY not actually need some random farm boy from the woods to do all the work.

Soldiers patrolling the land.
Soldiers out in the dungeons.
Soldiers acting like soldiers in general.

TP could have really benefited from this considering the atmosphere of the game

>>258433885
>ANYTHING being in Hyrule Field

It's nice to dream

>>258432573
Instead of playing vidya you should've worked on your reading comprehension because you've completely missed any and all point being made, dimwit.

>>258422438
Who wishes for a Majoras Mask 3DS remake?

>>258434105
Post a poor guy out there when it's morning and have him enter Castle Town as the sun sets.

>>258434271
is that image on the right an actual 3DS image or am I getting my leg pulled here?

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>>258433664

You're not even trying.

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>>258434318
Stop shitposting at anytime

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>>258433762
Yeah, nice bullshit

>>258433995
The N64 version is all steamy though

>>258434448
It'll be announced next year. probably at E3.

>>258434448
They honestly should have created both games as a bundle at once for about $80.

>>258434061
surprising what nice shaders do to a technically less impressive castle.

>>258434516
What the fuck is with that green filter?

>>258434516
OoT Ganon looks a lot more sinister.

>>258432402
Why is the water radioactive for 3DS? And why does the sky look like somebody pissed all over it?

>>258433579
>Says the original had no balance of lighting and was all dark
>Posts image of a scene where the 3DS version is all dark and the N64 version actually balances lights and darks.

Nigger did you go full retard?

>>258433664
>The outside of the Temple of Time is the one fucking place in the game that has Gothic-esque architecture and a dark atmosphere.

Do you even know what Gothic architecture is all about? I don't think so if you consider the temple of time gothic.

Holy shit when I think /v/ couldn't get worse.

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>>258434508
It really is that bad.

>>258434662
They're looking through a window

>>258434535
>The Wand of Gamelon
This sounds so interesting, until I look it up on google.

>>258434662
aren't they looking through a window?

>>258434757
>>258434760
Yeah, I don't know why it had to be green all the sudden. Who the fuck has green-tinted windows?

>>258434510
That looks more romanesque to me.

>>258434456

Why put him there then? The guy just inside has shit covered, without running the risk of zoning out and getting trapped outside because whoever operates the drawbridge is a complete asshole who gets off on not warning anybody.

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>>258430796
This.

>>258434841
Medieval societies?

>>258434841
Stained-glass.

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>>258434737
>two torches
>apparently they are enough to illuminate the entire castle wall

You shouldn't be calling others retarded anon.

>remAinder that OP fucked the contrast up on his television and felt the need to make a thread about it
Oh gee, thanks for the remainder!

>>258434760
>>258434841
>>258434757
The real question is, why is that window so close to the ground and at a position of the courtyard.
With this kind of security, the king could have easily been assassinated.

>>258422438
why did link get taller and saria get shorter?

>>258434741

Waiting on your answer >>258433664

>>258434673

3D Ganon looks so old.

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>>258433995
>All that gratuitous highlighting and shading on the 3DS