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A whole year gone, and still no Lucas confirmed.

Kerfuffle worry general?
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>>256666201
He's already been confirmed as an alt costume for ness
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>>256666201
Remember when Brawl was coming out and people were honestly worried about Ness coming back because of that "Until Now" business?

Yeah, same shit, different character.
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The only people who should worry are the entire 5 people who mained Jigglypuff in Brawl. Like me
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>Lucas fans actually worried about him being cut

Niggers let me explain who should be worrying
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>>256666771
Snake's gone, man.
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>>256667207
I hate life.

Oh well, at least there's always Brawl Minus and Project M.
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Lucas possibly being gone is the least of this game's worries, in my opinion.

Now that Toon Link and Lucina have opened the flood gates for clones, we're looking at Dark Pit and any number of other shitty clones.

Worse still is that's the tip of that shit iceberg.
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>>256668012
You didn't expect clones? You thought the flood gates for clone characters was ever closed? Sakurai might not call it a fighting game but he uses a lot of features from them and clone characters has always been one of them.
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>>256668012
Dark Pit ain't happening mate
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>>256668373
Why does anybody think that Dark Pit would be a character anyway? He is literally DARK PIT. If you want to play as Dark pit just choose the black color scheme on pit.
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>>256668694
Dark Pit is a completely different character and deserves a spot over Lucina
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>>256669002
Both are shit characters and don't deserve a spot over anyone.
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>>256669002
Except Lucina's name isn't literally "Girl Marth"
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>tfw you wanted chrom in
>tfw nothing can disappoint you now since you accepted Ridley,!Majora Link, and any others you want not getting in
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>>256669624
Ridley is pretty likely though.

Sakurai showed trophies from four different series in the Direct.

Pseudo-Palutena from Kid Icarus. Palutena gets confirmed.
Tiki from Fire Emblem Awakening. Lucina and Robin get confirmed.
That leaves only another Zelda character for Fi and a Metroid character for King Kihunter.

Not to mention almost every new stage he shows off gets a newcomer from that IP.

Find Mii/Pilotwings stage? Miis get confirmed.
Punch Out ring? Little Mac gets confirmed.
Arena Ferox? Lucina and Robin get confirmed.
Palutena's Temple? Palutena gets confirmed.
Super Mario Galaxy stage? Rosalina gets confirmed.
Pac Man wasn't teased by stage but by items.
Pyrosphere?

Sakurai's also made numerous allusions to size and how SSB doesn't stay true to scale.
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I really really want Dark pit as a pit costume but im worried he'll just be a boss fight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbpj8KnfeOM
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>>256669942
People think that trophy thing actually meant something? Wow
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>>256670187
rip in peace headphone users
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>>256666201
>Ness 2.0 isn't confirmed
Okay
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>People constantly complaining about Lucina being in as a clone, and complaining that Dark Pit will be in as a clone
>Yet, these same people want other clones like Wolf and Lucas to return.

I don't understand.
Do they hate clones, or like clones? Cause I can't tell.
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>>256669942
>Let's talk about bosses!
>Oh hey it's a flying purple dragon, who could it be?
>"T-THAT CAN'T BE RIDLEY HE'S PLAYABLE!"
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>>256671569
They hate clones, but want THEIR clones.
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How would Dark Pit work? He's quite literally a recolor of Pit. From a distance, you can't tell them apart. His main weapon is the prototype of Pit's weapon.
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>>256671569
Hate 'em, but I understand their function within the game. Doesn't mean I gotta like 'em, though.
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>>256671569
Lucas is from one of the best games of all time, and is only a semi-clone. He shares three of his B-moves with Ness, and his side-a, but that's pretty much it.

Lucina's from a game whose quality is debatable, though it's certainly fun, and she's an almost 1:1 Marth clone but with her sword working slightly differently.
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>>256671992
>is only a semi-clone
this
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>>256671835
Ok, so its bias. Typical.

>>256671889
Best answer.

>>256671992
So its just wanting Mother 3 represented. I can understand that.
Then I want Lucas cut for Duster.
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>>256672954
>Then I want Lucas cut for Duster.
>Not the Masked Man
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>>256673159
No, I want Ness, and a Non-PSI user from Mother 3.
No more PSI.
So Duster.
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>>256666305
Don't confirm characters that haven't been confirmed jackass
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>>256666771
>people living under this thick of a rock
Kojima fucking said he didn't know if he was in or not you'd think he'd know right?
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For some reason I think Lucas and Snake were a one time thing. Pretty sad if that's the case, because it means both of them were included in the roster for what is the worst game in the Smash series (Brawl).
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>>256669389
They gave him another name in the game because dark pit is retarded.

The other name is literally Pit #2
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>>256672954
>thinking a wholly new character is even a possibility for a franchise that is dead and buried
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>>256666771
>snake probably won't return
why are we still here? just to suffer?
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>>256669942
>Ridley is pretty likely though.

Fuck Ridley.

I'd rather have Rundas, Sylux, or Anthony Higgs tbh.
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>>256674214
Mother as a series needs a place where it can be remembered, since the franchise is technically finished, not 'dead and buried'. That's more than a lot of Nintendo's franchises can say. We'll be playing Mario and Zelda games 'til we're on our death beds.

Since Itoi doesn't give a fuck about Mother anymore, Smash is the last bastion of hope for the Mother series to not completely fade into obscurity.
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>>256669942
The ridley shown in the pyrosphere stage is undeniable proof he's not in and anyone who says otherwise is desperate.
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>>256673735
>believing literally anything Kojima says
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>>256666201
Face it every veteran will be in APART from lucas and falco they will get replaced y someone more qualified. and no dont even start your ridleyfag hit he wont be in hes a character that would literally have no character in this game hes just a personality less boss.
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I don't see why anyone is worried about characters being dropped when all of the veterans so far are ports from brawl. The only characters to worry about are those that have a reason to be cut like snake, squirtle, and ivysaur
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>>256675158
>refuses to bring any more mgs game to nintendo consoles
>c-can snake be in guise?
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>>256675047
>The Toon Link shown on the Spirit Tracks stage is undeniable proof he's not in and anyone who says otherwise is desperate

>>256675413
I do think something's up with Falco because of what JC almost let slip. But Ridley does have a personality, and this is proved by both the games and the canon manga.
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>>256668373
all i see is ZSS butt (which was probably how they found the text in the still, to be perfectly honest)

>>256666771
>final reveal trailer
>all's normal and screen fades to black
>explosion
>"Kept ya waiting, huh?"
>cue montage of snake kicking ass, looks like he did in 3DS game to fit cartoon style of Smash 4
>first newcomer revealed in Brawl, and the last for Smash 4
i can only dream
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>>256675601
>proved by the games

SKRRRAWWWWK
SKREEEAAAAAK
RAWWWWK

Such a great personality
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do you guys think they'll have kerfuffle on gamescom?
Maybe a newer build than the e3 build?
I'm going there next week thursday and friday
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>>256671306
You know that ness is basicly ninten with a bag? faggot
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>>256675481
>some characters from brawl are in so all are in
Keep dreamin buddy
>>256675601
>placeholder
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>>256675818
He's cunning and smart. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be able to build this.

>>256675858
>do you guys think they'll have kerfuffle on gamescom?
They already confirmed it. I doubt they'll have a newer build.
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>>256676006
>They already confirmed it
just googled, they're gonna have a tournament again, fucking hyped
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>>256675905

>some characters from brawl are in so all are in

Yes that's a pretty reasonable basis, especially when sakurai said he didn't like cutting characters because people get attached to them. Even in brawl the only characters cut were clones and mewtwo, but it's very likely that sonic was the reason. 4 doesn't really have that problem because the game uses a ton of assets from brawl.
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>>256675902
Literally who?
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>>256668012
>Ganondorf will still be an inferior Cap'n Falcon
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>>256676691
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>>256675601
Let me say it again I obviously was not clear, Ridley will not be in as a playable character, It is the the most unplausible outcome, He would be the most alien in the way of playstyle of anyone he is way too big and it would be a waste of a great boss character also a whole move pool would have to be thought up on the spot you ever thought of any of these things.
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>>256675546
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>>256676897
They kept delaying it and also released an HD port of 2,3 and PW.
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>>256676829
I don't even want Ridley and I think Sakurai can make it work.
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>>256666201
I'M CERTAIN HE'S ALRIGHT
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>>256668373
I'm starting to suspect every stage will have a boss.
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>>256677118
That old Lucas is no match for Sakurai.
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>>256669002

>Dark Pit
>Any different from Lucina

You know he'll just be a literal clone of Pit made for grim dark edgy faggots. He may even be OP as fuck or shittier like Lucina is since somehow Marth is hard to use.
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So far i'm just worried about the stages

They are all flat with floating platforms or levels that take you to other places just so unimaginative
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>>256669942
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>>256677786
Sakurai probably doesn't want another Smash 64 shitstorm.
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>>256677050
Well that is true but i don't want ridley, Hell I would rather see him put lanky kong in before i would even consider ridley a good choice. Speaking of that i hope mach rider gets in also king k rool, I have no idea why but i think i want mimi from super paper mario in or dimentio they would just be cool, I would love to see what they would do with a completely flat character not even G&W is completely flat and what they would do with a mounted character.
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>>256677786

>Implying stages like this were ever good
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>>256677786
Excuse me? The stages are all fine, and if anything they're way less gimmicky than melee's.
Smash 4's stages look like they've actually had thought put into their design unlike melee's, which had multiple levels that felt like platforms and pits mashed together (see: Subcon, Icicle Mountain, Fourside, Onett, Dreamland)
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>>256677350
turns out on FD you get attacked by master hand and crazy hand

take THAT, tourneyfags

they have to resort to the FD version of FD
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>>256678274
Nigga you did not just hate on the best stage in 64.
That stage should be revamped and put in Smash 4 somewhere.
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>>256667676
I just looked up Brawl Minus because I've heard almost nothing of it. It looks fucking godawful.
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>>256678292

melee also had the best stages in the series. We haven't seen anything close to as good as pokefloats, 4 square, and big blue
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Ness is all the Mother series deserves. I don't see why it should get more than one rep.

>predominantly jap-only
>mostly mediocre
>dead and buried
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>>256678292
Gimmicks is fine. Thought put into the stages? Ha. Literally every stage so far is like i said mute city from melee or flat stages that are just flat with random symmetrical platforms. Sure they aren't mashed up platforms and pits but at least that's VARIETY. Something that distinguishes a stage from the others.
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>>256666771
Snake isn't returning because Big Boss will take his place
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>>256678806

Some fags think it'll give NOA an excuse to bring Mother 3 over, despite that it's long since past its time that it originally released and that localizing it on WiiUVC would be foolish. It's also probably because of the sudden increase of Mario, FE, and Pokemon Reps, though this is applied with Star Fox fans, F-Zero fans, and I think Zelda Fans.
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>>256678480
>best stage in 64
That's not Saffron City
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>>256679149
Big Boss is the one who rubs red hot cum on his face right?
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>>256678978
I think you're grasping at straws here.
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>>256673735
Yes, of course he'd know either way if Snake was in or not. Which makes it suspicious that he would say he didn't.

It's not like he'd say "Yes, Snake is in" if asked.
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>>256678764
It's fun. It removes tripping, speeds up the game, and balances the characters by buffing all of them. I genuinely don't know what there is to dislike.
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>>256666201
After E3 my biggest worry is that bastard hasn't changed the Star Fox final smashes

Or the sneaky suspicion that the old franchises he truly gives a shit about are his own
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>>256680436

snake is gone man. They already chopped up and handed out his moveset.

>>256680724

I can see falco getting a zss-like final smash
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>>256680724
What makes you say that?
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>>256666201
Still no bat to the jumper's. :(
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>>256680724

Unless you never heard, Sakurai did almost make a Star Fox game before considering resurrecting Kid Icarus. It proabaly means nothing, but since ZSS has her own special and that there isnt a shitty story mode taking up half the games resources, i'm sure everyone will have their own specials.
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I think Lucina is gonna have Marth's FS, and he's just gonna keep giving clones the same ones
just like with link and toon link, zelda + sheik because they are the same person
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>>256680941
Its not even her inclusion. Its the fact her custom set gets a gimmick which Mii fighter already had. I'm sure some of hers could be retooled for others

And then Kirby and Pit get crazy new powerful FS while mario is still stuck with his unimproved one.

And another fucking thing he made Shiek a separate character and then gave her the same fucking zelda final smash when they could have retooled Luigi's for her.

>>256680861
Me too anon. Either that or a Dragoon-kind of move. Wider targeter maybe
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>>256681472
>i'm sure everyone will have their own specials.
>Toon Link
>same specials
>Lucina
>same specials as Marth
Nah. Hopes low as fuck for this game.
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>>256681821
And this too. Toon Link. A simple sweeping final smash that has him ride the red lions across a tidal wave would be great.

He had 6 years or whatever to make shit up
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>>256681821

clones will always be in smash anon. You should be more concerned with the last couple of newcomers and the gameplay.
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>>256681617
>Its not even her inclusion. Its the fact her custom set gets a gimmick
That's what I was getting at. There's no reason she needs three whole movesets.

>But in Kid Icarus Uprising she bestowed powers
Yes, she did. BUT 90% of those aren't even attacks and are essentially power ups. If she's deserving enough for that, we need newcomers for other series like Mario and Kirby just to represent power ups.

What's worse is, as I've said before, there are other characters both already in the game, like Mega Man, and potential newcomers, who would benefit a lot more from this full-moveset customization and would make a lot more sense with it. But of course he gives it to his waifu.
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>>256682049
No kidding. Like I said way back, Toon Link and Lucina are just the tip of the iceberg. Fucking DONKEY KONG doesn't have a Final Smash that references his recent games. I guess we're going to be forever reminded that Donkey Konga and Jungle Beat were things.

I could write a novel about why Kerfuffle's final product is looking bleak. It's looking bleak and we barely get any decent information most days. Imagine if they stuck with Brawl's daily Dojo information flood.

I just wish I knew who or what I had to blame for this.

>>256682106
I don't care about the gameplay. That takes a backseat for me when the playable content is all mostly flying in the face of good game design.
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>>256681472
>Sakurai almost made a Starfox game
>The Kid Icarus renaissance could have been a Starfox rennaisance.

I'm sad, but Starfox U makes it hurt less.
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>>256671569
Lucas is only a semi-clone and is the main character of his game, while Lucina is 100% a clone and is only the third most important character in her game.
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While I'm here, might as well bring this up for discussion.

Krystal looks like she would have amazing/unique gameplay with that staff. Imagining all the possible options she could use Plus the staff abilities seen in Adventures/Dinosaur Planet makes me think she could be a swift character with based gameplay.

Personally I didn't want her in before I thought about this, but what does /v/ think an amazing moveset for Krystal would be if she were to be announced?

Pic related. Something that got me thinking. cant remember where I found it though.

>inb4 furfag
>inb4 Krystalfag
>inb4 butthurt ridleyfag
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>>256666305
Lucina got her own character slot for being too different from Marth. Lucina, someone who makes it a point to outright impersonate Marth.

People who think Lucas/Falco/Wolf will be alts are the dumbest fucks you can find.
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>>256682773

She would be a fox clone too. I don't see how "moveset potential" is even a real thing when half the time sakurai pulls moves out of his ass. He could give a waffle a moveset.
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>>256682773
Why don't we just paint Ridley blue and give him a staff? Everyone wins.

Kidding. I don't care what character gets in, as long as they're interesting, somewhat unique, and refer back to their origin game(s). Which is why Toon Link fucking pisses me off, because he fails at all of those things. His only redeeming factor is that he's a version of Link that doesn't suck, and I hate that that's why people even wanted him back.
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>>256682547
>>256682112
I liked you two Anons. I'm still pretty hyped but it pisses me off that he can be so thorough in some areas and down right lazy in others.

It makes no sense.
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>>256682804

>Lucina got her own spot for being too different
>Was stated by Sakurai himself in a recent interview after her and Robins confirmation that she was originally going to be Marths alt skin
>Was also stated she plays EXACTLY like Marth, with the difference being she's made for babbies as Marth's somehow hard to use (tip of the blade mechanic isnt applied on her)
>Was only chucked in because Sakurai said he loved FE:A
>Ironically Chrom didnt get in because Sakurai said he'd be another generic swordfighter despite just confirming Lucina's a babby version of Marth
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>>256682773
>but what does /v/ think an amazing moveset for Krystal would be if she were to be announced?
B: Uses her staff in the same way Fox does his gun
Up+B: Launches into the air in the same way Fox does his up+B
Down+B: Uses a reflector
Side+B: Dashes across the stage
Final Smash: Turns into Kursed and gets into a Landmaster
Taunt: Attempts to enjoy a sandwich
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>>256683465
I will never understand this. He didn't want to put Chrom in because he would be too similar to the other FE reps, but instead put Lucina. It's terrible logic.
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>>256668373
Dark Pit confirmed as Boss Hazard for Palutena's Temple.
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>"The Space Pirates have always brought Ridley back to life, modifying his body in the process. Here's their latest model"
>Smash-Ridley, smaller, still true to Ridley, playable character

You can even have him as a boss too because clones.
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>>256683465
>>256683642
Lucina was going to get her own spot anyway. It wasn't a choice between Chrom or Lucina, it was a choice between Chrom or Robin.
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>>256683642

clones have different rules. They're basically afterthoughts and leftover dev time meant to pad the roster. The only real argument about clones is who should be cloned and who should be the clone. You can argue chrome should have been the clone.
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>>256683858

How would you know, or is your reason she was guaranteed a spot because "HURR DURR POPULAR"? It was already clarified by Sakurai that the characters that are chosen are based on how he sees them play, so despite how fucking popular they are, they may not get in because he may not like how they play.
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>>256683992
It wasn't even that I wanted to Chrom, I'm just going off of what Sakurai said. His reason for Chrom not getting in is because he would be a clone, but then added Lucina. I understand she would be in regardless, but you have to admit that it's flawed logic.
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Has there been a case in Smash where the clone was just straight up better than the original character?

>>256682773
I don't mind if she got in as long as she had a unique moveset or at least a viable character. I'd be fine with Slippy as well.
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>>256685067
Toon Link.
Falco.
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>>256685067
>Has there been a case in Smash where the clone was just straight up better than the original character?
Lucas
Mewtwo
Snake
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>>256685067

>Has there been a case in Smash where the clone was just straight up better than the original character?

Toon link, falco in brawl, lucas, Dr. mario, lucina in 4
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>>256685321
>Mewtwo
Uh, what?
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>>256685542
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>>256685323
Falco wasn't much of a clone in Brawl though. All his moves performed differently from Fox.

>>256685321
>Snake
Hehehe
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>>256684132
Robin was picked over Chrom. Lucina was not picked over Chrom. Lucina was going to be in as Marth's alt, then given her own slot. This is a known fact.
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>>256685624
There's only one joke here, and it's you. I guess if we count your life it's two jokes, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there.
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>>256685729
>Dr. Mario/Luigi will not be an alt skin at all
>Daisy will not be an alt skin
>No Pikmin alt skins
>No megaman alt skins even though the models are there for the final smash

But toon link and lucina somehow deserve character status. Fuck that
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>>256686189

Yes sakurai makes bad calls at times and plays favorites. Truthfully I think the series has outgrown him of he's tired of making them.
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>>256686189
hasn't daisy alt been confirmed somewhere?
Or am I just delusional
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>>256686486
At least this game opens the door for assists like takamaru, sable, ashley, etc to become characters in the sequel.
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>>256686749
No daisy alt, but peach had her colors in brawl.
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>>256682112
>That's what I was getting at. There's no reason she needs three whole movesets.

He just needed a gameplay mechanic for her to represent.

Her being able to swap out and mix and match different powers essentially represents how customizing the powers worked in Uprising. KIU has two forms of arsenal: weapons and powers. Pit already has Uprising weapons build into his moveset, so I think its fitting to base Palutena around the game's power system.

Something to consider with the newcomers this time around: They're not just representing their abilities as a character, they're representing actual gameplay mechanics from the games they come from. Villager is about using tools and putting things into his pocket. Mega Man's entire moveset, design, physics, etc are based on the gameplay and movement of the original MM series. Little Mac has the KO meter taken from the arcade PO!!, whereas doing more damage (and taking damage in Smash's case) increases the meter to do a powerful attack. Rosalina's moveset consists of various mechanics from the Mario Galaxy games (The Luma partner, the Launch Star, the cursor). Stuff like that.

>but but there are tons of characters whose games have equippable powers, why is she so special?!

Mega Man moves and acts like how he does in the original NES games. Mario and Samus doesn't move and act like they do in their original NES games. It's just something he needed to make the character stand out more.
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>>256676656
>Literally who

Jesus christ m8, research the games.
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>>256687125
No I think it was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago, maybe it was one of the fake leakers and my mind is just playing tricks on me
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>>256686983

Yeah the ATs are a great concept in general and provide a ton of fan service. I'd prefer niche games to get 1 playable character before mario/zelda/pokemon get their 5th/6th though.
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>>256675758
>First newcomer revealed in Brawl

You mean Pit or Meta Knight right?
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>>256686189
Doc could still get a skin. He is still Mario

Don't bet on a full Daisy change. Just her color scheme.

Yeah, we won't be getting other captains or Mega Mans. Don't know why you'd expect them for the latter since each model has a completely different hitbox.

Honestly I'm 100% okay with the characters not turning into other characters. That would take away from why they chose that character in the first place. Changing him/her like that would be like saying "Well, this character is important to his/her franchise, but it may as well be this character instead" Project M has the same philosophy when approaching alts.
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>>256675601
What did JC say about Falco?
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>>256687947

I think color swaps, hat changes, etc. would be more than enough in most cases. If megaman got the other's helmets/colors while keeping his model. If mario got his doc coat. It isn't necessary but it's a nice touch to have, especially for a game like this
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>>256688290

during the 3ds tourny it was something about "what if fox got a laser that stunned." It was implied that either someone else had it or it was an option for fox
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>>256682547
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is better than both Returns and Tropical Freeze.
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>>256683465
Fuck I've been arguing this ever since that interview came out. Goddammit it makes me mad as fuck, this fucking huge contradiction just to include a fucking clone and to justify lazy work. Lucina didn't have to be in, but she also didn't have to be a clone, but that's apparently too much for Sakurai's rock bottom creativity
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>>256687392
If he was so deadset on making a character with a fully custom moveset, then why not use one who is literally all about customization rather than arbitrarily give Palutena powerups?

You can say "Kid Icarus has powerups" but then again so do other Nintendo franchises, and those don't get a rep revolving around those. Just admit Sakurai is biased towards her.

>>256688290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3XT2mBvxE
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>mfw [spoilers]Slippy[/spoilers] is confirmed as a newcomer and has a modified version of Snake's moveset
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>>256689439
mfw
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>>256689439
Villager?
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>>256689934
It would be extremely painful.
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>>256686048
so edgy, I cut myself.
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>>256689934
to be honest, villager's final smash is neat.
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>>256685482
>>256678908
>>256677912
http://i.4cdn.org/v/1407355446105.png

yep, it's happening
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>>256687421
>Research games that will never be relevant ever
No.
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>>256689439
ctrl+s jesus fucking christ
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>Mfw I mained Lucas and Snake
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>>256694274
I mained Lucas too. Oh well.
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nigga I main Ice Climbers and I'm worried sick

although I'm happy with the way peach and zelda have been playing in the tournaments
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>>256694627
Hopefully if he's cut they give Ness his B moves as custom movesets... I'll miss PK Love and Ground smashes though.
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>>256694274
By far the best part about getting into Kamen Rider is seeing all these reaction images and realizing "wait, I've seen that face before!" or the other way around.
That and the belts.
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>>256696195
It also helps that Osugi makes the best faces
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As long as Ridley's in, I don't care about any other characters.
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