4k is four times 1080p. Consoles can't do 1080p at 30 hz.

Someone post FEAR gifs/webms please.

>>256022831

> muh graffisssssss!
> muh fourkay!

THIS thread again.

It actually feels like physics has gotten worse these days

>>256023097
fuck off luddite

>>256023097
Clearly people didn't buy those consoles for the games, they did it for the graphics

4k is not really affordable at the moment (not the monitors, but horse power to run graphics), but in just a few years it will be.

>>256023197
This

The entire purpose of consumer technology is to hold technology back.

4k isn't remotely worth it

>>256023213
4k is very affordable these days even on average systems. You just need to turn some settings down.

>You are also now aware that physics have hardly improved since the times of FEAR and HL2.
In-game physics have largely regressed actually.

>>256023358
like way lower than i'm able to deal with

>>256022831
Still don't understand how consoles hold back graphics. If they didn't exist the industry would be a more exclusive club anyway because people still wouldn't build high end PCs. Regardless of consoles or not, we'd be getting the same amount of high end visual PC titles like Crysis or Metro because the target audience would be people with toasters for PCs.

>>256023358
>at least £700 for any screen
>very affordable

>>256023156
>It actually feels like physics has gotten worse these days
One of the reasons is that because most of the integrated GPU is dedicated to the graphics, as they sell the best, the physics calculations are left for the CPU. The console CPUs are incredibly weak so they can barely handle any physics.

>>256023156

Oh no, I agree with you to some degree. It's also fucking hilarious to watch you autists fling shit about this every five minutes.

Here's a hint: most people just don't fucking care. 4K screens are still prohibitively expensive and the average consumer is only just working into full-HD display. Developers aim for the lowest starting point and scale up from there - so. If you want to bitch, bitch at Sony, Panasonic, LG and Samsung for making screens so expensive - you can bet your ass that if they were the market standard, more devs would take advantage of it.

Until then, please - cease thine pointless whining, OP, for thou art a faggot.

>>256022831
4k isn't 4times 1080p.

It's more like 2.5times.

4k is 2160p.

l2gimmick.

I think 4k for gaming is nice but pretty expensive right now.

I wouldn't mind one for art or music production though, you can never have enough real-estate. I'm okay with 1080p at the moment though.

>>256023358
You know jackshit about what you're talking about.

>>256023197

As if PC faggots can afford 4k anything in the first place.

>>256023384
Fucking this. In the havok early days every game tried to implement physics enabled objects, and now everything that is not characters is fucking nailed down to the floor. This especially bad in AAA games.

>>256023490
To add to this, they can barely handle any physics since the CPU is already stressed by other tasks.

>>256023358
So I make my games look noticeably worse so I can then make them look slightly better?

>>256023497
4096 x 2160
>expecting /v/ to read

After playing the Last of Us on the PS4 I don't see why console devs dont aim for the sort of graphical fidelity that was typical of the end of the previous console gens cycle, but at 1080p/60fps with high res textures and what not. The remaster looks better than most games developed for the PS4 which says a lot, and they can just push out graphical improvements as the years go by and they learn to optimise more without sacrificing the 1080/60 standard.

I just ordered the Samsung D590 a few days ago. I'm pretty stoked.

>>256023663
Because consoles are just another consumer technology.

And consumer technology is stupid because they'd rather have numbers over practicality.

>implying your PC can get 60 fps at 4K on Highest settings in games

let's not kid ourselves here

Imagine how it's going to be 5 years from now.

>>256022831
Your daily reminder that without consoles, mass turds wouldn't have 99% of the games they play today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7YltuwFed4

You're welcome.

>>256023497
Actually it's 4.27 times the number of pixels.

>30~ FPS 4k on obsolete TN matrices
>120 FPS 1080p on obsolete TN matrices
>60 FPS1080p on new matrices
What will you choose /v/?

>>256023868
Pretty much the same as it is now?

Consoles will be a little better because dev's know them better. 1440p or 2k might be the new 1080p. And storage will be better BfB.

4K isn't becoming a reference for at least 4-5 years, if ever. TV chanels won't follow because most couldn't even do the transition to 1080p without haxing half their programs to save bandwidth.

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>>256023497
You double the height and the width. It's four times.

I'm sure not against 4k resolution in and of itself, but I think I'd rather have smooth framerates and more going on at 1080p first. Then once we have power to spare for doing everything you could want at 1080p, move on to 4k.

>>256023651
It kind of like turning down settings to achieve higher fps. 4k's real estate adds more to the gameplay than nice visuals.

>>256024318
>4k's real estate adds more to the gameplay than nice visuals.
phffhahaha

>>256023663
Because they push the graphics as high as possible.

Graphics sell.

>>256024246
this. you already need a fucking 900$ GPU to run games properly at 1080p these days, I doubt any of hte GPU constructors are actually ready to deliver anything that can handle it at a proper framerate that isn't a "lol 4 GPU cards" 4000$ scam. Keep in mind, they all updated their core tech extremely recently, they aren't going to invest into something new in the next 5 years because they can't afford it.

>>256024406
If he had said many things other than "nice visuals" he could have made a decent point.

But really, nice visuals? What the fuck else is 4K going to do that doesn't involve sight?

>>256023830
It can. I can downsample most games at 8K max settings and still get higher fps than a console. Gedosato.

>>256024026
120 FPS

>>256024115
>bought 720p TV
>shit loads of HD channels are inaccessible to the cheaper cable TV packages
>regular TV looks blurry

I bet full HD TV still won't be the norm in 2020.

>>256024562
>Higher FPS than a console
That's not exactly saying much and if you aren't getting a stable 60 minimum, you're fucking up.

>>256022831
>Consoles can't do 1080p at 30 hz.

Are you fucking retarded?

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>>256024026
Going from TN to AMVA blew my mind

>>256024528
>>256024406
>guise these sunshafts really improve my gameplay

>>256024673
It took cable years to finally axe legacy shit. And they'll probably support SD for years to come yet. Also stop watching upscaled SD and just pirate your shows or something.

>>256024745
None of the latest AAA titles have had 1080p, what are you talking about?

>>256024857
We're making fun of him, if you couldn't tell somehow.

>>256024745
This >>256024883
The 30 hz is also rarely stable.

>>256024745
They really can't though, or atleast the vast majority can't do full 1080 at a STABLE 30.

"Next Gen" should have waited a few more years so we didn't have to deal with this pathetic stumble forward.

>>256024883
99% of PS4 games have 1080p. I can think of only of couple which don't have. Why do you shitposting PC fat?

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Finally a thread about game-physics

To me, a game with proper physics is wayyy more enjoyable than pretty graphics. Shit like in pic related takes away all immersion
Videogames will never resemble reality anyways but we can atleast make the videogames itself a believable world by transferring our knowledge of natural physics

>shooting a guy in the leg
>the leg gets pushed back by the hit accordingly
>feelsgud.jpg


Of course a game can still have oldschool animations, then I would consider them videogamey, but I really like to enjoy a full game with proper physics.
>tfw the coding is probably hard as fuck and the algorithms arent even invented yet

>>256025006
Yes, because they run at 60fps. Also nice moving goalposts.

>>256024745

I don't think you understand the PC faggots in here. They tight how they feel about themselves to the PC, if their PC is better than something, they will feel superior. By shitting on consoles to this extent they feel that they are far more superior to something, thus increasing how superior they feel.

>>256025083
>Full 1080
>Stable 60FPS

Which ones would that be again?

>>256025109
It's hardly about that anymore, just animosity because devs are catering to weaker hardware, thus pushing the medium back as a whole.

>>256025060
These are my thoughts exactly. I can deal with bad graphics but I hate dealing with bad or nonexistent physics.

>>256025163
last time I read OP console can't into 1080p and 30 fps at all! Now we are moving to point that there actualy games at 1080p and 60fps but with drops! Dp you want me to die from laughter? You also realize that PC games also have frame drops?

>>256025109
Maybe because a PC is a more powerful piece of hardware than a console?
Not to be Captain Obvious here, but..

>>256025109
No, PC players are just annoyed that they have to suffer because of inferior platforms.

>>256025410
>PC players are just annoyed that they have to suffer because of inferior platforms.
So they should buy better hardware. What consoles have to do with that?

>>256025365
No, you said consoles are at 1080/60.

Now tell me which games do that without shitposting about outside topics to deflect.

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>>256023602
I'd rather have pic-related .
It's 21:9 ratio, 3440 x 1440 resolution and cheaper than a 4k monitor.

>>256025531
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates

What was that about consoles can't 30fps at 1080p again if they can run games better than that?

>>256022831
Why is it so hard for this industry to just agree on a standard?

Why not just use all those 1080p/60hz screens they've been selling for the past 8 years to their full extent? Wouldn't that be nice?

>>256025507
Do you not get it? The games themselves are worse. No amount of hardware will change that.

>>256025507
Because consoles are catered to most of the time over pcs. Though this honestly is just more reason for the AAA to fuck off and indies to fill the gap. But then we have to deal with early access or kickstarter bullshit.

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>>256022831
When 4K gets a high adoption rate new consoles will be released. No way this generation will last 10 years.

As consoles aren't being sold at a loss they are much more likely to release new consoles much earlier. VR will also probably force another console generation to happen earlier because VR is very computationally expensive.

The major question is how long will 4K last until 8K.

main drawback of 4K is expensive ass monitors
you can run games in 3840*2160 on a shitty 400 series, it's not hard

>>256025606
I ordered one. It's nice.

>>256025657
Well a number of those are wrong, but alright, I guess we'll see if any are stable though.

>>256025692
>The games themselves are worse.
Yes, but only on PC. Console games are much better. That's why PC gamers are petition for them.

>>256025860
Got any pictures of it?

>>256023492
>Here's a hint: most people just don't fucking care.

Most people play LoL, Skyrim, and watch Transformers. Why the fuck should I care about what most people do?

>>256025884
4/10, I almost took it seriously.

it'll be relevant when I can buy a 32 inch TV that supports 4k for under 300 dollars, and buy a console that supports 4k for under 400 dollars.

So maybe 10 years?

>>256025881
>Well a number of those are wrong

No, I just think you are just butthurt

>>256025681
Because they don't want to take more of a hit to put out consoles that could do that, or raise the price even further and risk putting off a lot of people.

I'm sure down the line we'll get to this standard though.

>>256025916
It's arriving next week.

>>256025606
way to wide for my taste. A good screen shouldn't force you to move your head to make everything visible.

>>256026000
Killzone rarely gets above 48 in MP.
Knack struggled to maintain 30.

The Order isn't even full 1080.
And Watch Dogs had a number of frame drops as well. Most of those numbers are just from the dev's and mean fuck all.

>>256026118
I feel sorry for you. My eyes turn.

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>>256025657
>stable 60 fps on PC
>VS
>console manufacturer lie that hardly touches 60 fps unless you stare at the floor
Hmm, I wonder which one I'll choose given the plethora of multiplats... Decisions, decisions...

>>256026201
Killzone runs at 60fps at MP, Knack runs at 30fps too. What else will you drone up?

>>256026254
you lose the awareness of part of the screen, smartass. It's actually bad for gaming.

>>256026073
How can you say it's nice if you don't even have it yet? Spend some time with it first.

>>256022831
Awhile back they did a tech demo running Dragon Crown at 4k on the ps3. I'm sure if they wanted to, they could make 4k games for the ps4. But it won't run at 60 fps.

Not even sure most PC cards can run games at 4k with 60 fps.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/28/sony-using-dragons-crown-to-show-off-their-4k-tvs/

>>256025787
Two problems are lack of 60Hz support for 4K and cost. Both will be fixed in two years.

>>256026007
They realised that selling consoles at a loss means they had to extend the generation to 9 years in order make a profit.

They'll most likely stay release consoles more often such as every 5 years but avoid making expensive consoles where the make a big loss on each one. It's more sensible from a price/performance standpoint to do it this way. The more higher end the hardware the worse the price/performance gets.

>>256026201
>Adds black bars to make it look like 21:9
>Doesn't support 21:9 monitors

>>256026352
>runs at 60

It doesn't and the numerous webm's floating around say otherwise as well.

And Knack was so sporadic it was nearly unplayable. It should have just stayed a tech demo.

>>256026369
Not really. If you must press your face up to the center of the screen it offers broad peripheral vision, if you're not retarded and sitting back far enough you get a broad span of view for scenery, racing, etc.

Anyone who thinks 4K is actually worthwhile is retarded. There's a reason retina screens exist, and that's because we can't see the individual details on the screen beyond a certain point. 4K is just paying for shit you won't see.

This might sound like the "hurr human eyes cant see above 30 fps" troll, but go ahead, read up on it.

>>256025924

Conversely, if most people are the majority, why should they care about what you do?

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>>256022831
>Consoles hold back graphics

We've been over this OP; PC gaming holds back PC gaming. If consoles were holding back PC graphics, the Witcher series, Cryengine, and Frostbite wouldn't look so good and run so well. PC ports are made for low or mid range toasters, and the community sticks to games like LoL anyways.

Stop trying to convince yourself your own community isn't at fault.

>>256026369
I haven't had that at 4k. The monitor in that picture is 3440x1440 which is less than 4k.

You see movement just fine at the edges of the screen. You just don't see the details. If you need to see the details, you focus your eyes on it.

In FPS you can just increase your FoV so that the space occupied by a smaller screen covers something like 90-100 degrees and the rest is extra.

There is just about no downside.

>shitty dev failed to deliver good framerate on consoles

LOL CONSOLE CAN'T HAVE 60FPS EVER IMPOSSIBLE

>>256025742

Isn't PS4 still sold at loss?

>>256026449
I tried one at the local store and then ordered online because it was cheaper.

>>256026280
>console manufacturer lie that hardly touches 60 fps unless you stare at the floor

>Look, I'm pulling things out of my ass and lie again. I also deflected from question about my idiotic statement that "consoles can't into 1080p and 30fps" after I got proven wrong. I'm seriously thinking that PC don't have drops. I also used picture of retard thinking that will help me win my argumentation.

>>256026624
>more resolution isn't worth it
>retina screens

Please stay on Mt. Stupid, 4k is only meh right now because it's not standard and more expensive. Eventually it will be the new 1080 so monitors/tvs will be cheaper, but not right now.

>>256026646

Where did 1080p resolutions first appear? Where did relatively realistic physics first appear? Where did online multiplayer first appear? Where did MMO's first appear?

PC

Consoles hold everything back.

why don't devs jus focus on pc?

dat rampant piracy

dem pc pirates holding back vidya

>>256026662
>You see movement just fine at the edges of the screen. You just don't see the details. If you need to see the details, you focus your eyes on it.
It's worth mentioning that this is the case even at 1080p.

>>256026624
The problem is 4K screens need to be bigger. "muh PPI" is stupid when you get to that amount of pixels. Make the damn things larger.

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>>256022831
Well, good thing I don't play games for their graphics, otherwise I'd be pissed.

Hardware hardons are for people who want to have the most powerful machine, ie. PC gamers.

Consoles and arcades have been and will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost. A console can't do 4k? Doesn't matter as long as the games they develop for it are great. Resolution or hardware doesn't make a good game.

>>256026763
>What is vsync
>what is a thing consoles lack because shit hardware

The irony of you talking about deflecting.

When I can get 4k @ 120/144hz I will upgrade. But the spec isn't even there yet. So I'm going 2x 1440p instead.

>>256025924

He pretty much just spelt out why you should care you retarded self centered /v/irgin faggot.

>>256026780
>but not right now.
so why hype it now? You just know the hardware you'll buy now will be shitty, with bad reliance and cost an arm, for no content available.
The first generation of everything shouldn't be bought by people who care, that's what your dumb mom and grandma are for.

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>>256023663
Because you can only go so far when the specs are from last decade

>>256026853
>Make the damn things larger
>I need to sit 7 or more feet away to see the whole screen.
Buy a fucking TV then. PPI fucking important you mouth breather.

>>256026853

At the size of screen you'd need to actually see all that shit, you'd be dealing with a screen where your eyes would need to drift ever further to see things on the periphery, or even in the mid left and mid right. Its absolutely senseless to push 4K as a resolution unless you're adamant you want to see the pores on a guys foreskin when watching porn.

>>256026872
>Consoles and arcades have been and will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost.
>will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost.

I wish this were still true anon.

>>256026624
Many of the screens are similar PPI as smaller screen.

The result? Bigger screen at the same detail per inch.

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>>256026646
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>256026935
Because consumerists with too much extra money who have a diamond dick for NUMBERS.

>>256026853
lol no, bigger screens means you should get away from it to get an acceptable view. Normal screen size + more pixel is the only way to actually increase the picture quality.

>>256026990
It's still true. However, the current industry has brought all too many PC games to consoles and vice versa. Things are all skewered now.

>>256027050
Now just wait when we see the actual game and be disappointed.

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>>256022831
>held back

Bullshit. If PC fags stopped stealing all their games or only buying them when they are 80% off people would make games with them in mind. The only thing "holding back" AAA PC games is PC gamers.

>>256026865
>Good thing I don't watch movies for their cinematography

>>256027135

But if we're talking about PC gaming at a desk, its fucking retarded to have such a huge monitor.

>>256026872
If they would be about gameplay first, they wouldn't try to do fps with controllers.

>>256027050

LOL U MAD?

MY $400 PS4 WILL HAVE THE SAME GRAPHICS QUALTIY AS YOUR FUCKING SHITTY $800 OVER PRICED PAPER WEIGHT.

STAY MAD FOREVER YOU PIECE OF SHIT SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.

>>256027136
Consoles are hardly about their games and gameplay anymore anon. It's all a pissing contest with shit vs shit and exclusives. Not to mention the movie-game trend.

Maybe someday the casuals and faggots will move on so we can have our husk back.

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>>256026574
>It doesn't

Yes it do anon

>>256026935
4k has good gaming support on the PC. For other tasks like browsing you'd be stupid to use the full screen for just one task.

Ever heard of 'windows button'+'arrow left/right'?

>>256026519
Turn down all your settings to low and you can.

Graphics cards at the moment aren't very efficient at rendering at 4K. This will change with later generations of GPUs.

>>256026574
The frame rate is unlocked and not locked at 30fps. This means the frame rate can go above 30fps but that doesn't mean it will hit 60fps.

Most console games have the framerate locked at 30fps. This means even if more frames could be rendered only 30 will ever be rendered. Devs work to make sure the game stays at 30fps under most circumstances though when a lot of stuff is happening on screen the frame-rate can often dip into the low 20s.

>>256026853
Making them bigger lowers PPI dumbass. You ever got close to a large LED bilboard and you can see each individual pixel/light is huge. Well, that is what it is like when being up close to a large TV.

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>>256027202
Why is every single solitary syllable posted on this board against PC an outright lie?
Is this really ALL consolefags can possibly do when confronted with these things is to lie their ass off nonstop and hope repeating misinfo will make their shitty plastic toys more appealing?

>>256026989
People made the same argument about 1080p.

>>256023663
That's because the movie of us is not 60 fps.

>>256027202

>implying pc games dont make profit

With digital distribution, PC games can cut out publishers, boxing costs, advertisement, all that extra shit. They don't need to purchase SDK's, they don't need to license expensive software because of a huge amount of available stuff. So all that about PC gamers incurring cost losses on the creators is just a lot of shit.

Poor troll, 0/10

>>256026880
>vsync

>I also now move goalposts and use straws to not look silly

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>>256027381

>Peak is 60
>Avarage is below 50 for Killzone
>Knack is even worse

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>playing a friend's PS4
>still has jaggies
>mon visage

>>256027482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVplf_K1kSw

Why PC fanboys are trying to talk about games when they are getting btfo each time? They are masochists?

>>256027202
>yfw devs make the same amount of money off a $15 PC sales as a $60 console sale

>>256027381
Oh wow a split second before dipping back down to near 50 when the smoke and gun-fire clear.
>>256027518
>vsync
>not about stability
>not a part of my argument

ok

>>256027470

Yeah, but now we're used to 1080p its all good. But a 4K screen at the distance of a desk is just fucking retarded. You'd need a huge monitor and you'd be losing your all-in-one view by doing that.

The only real use for it is sitting further, like on console, but we all know consoles won't be doing 4K for at least 20 years.

>>256027261
See
>>256027136

>>256027337
Exclusives have always been a thing with consoles. The Golden and Silver ages of gaming was all about the great games that came to those consoles. You had Super Mario Bros. on NES and on no other console.

>casuals and faggots
There's no casuals in the game market. If anything else, the current situation of game industry is in trouble because of the hard core gamers.

>>256027612
>is 60

So, it looks like it run at 60fps. Wow, how quick we can move to conclusion

>>256026872
This is such bullshit. Consoles are running 30fps because developers know that people care more about picture fidelity than framerate. The average person notices a different in picture fidelity far quicker than a difference in framerate.

Graphics > framerate is true on consoles. Devs aim for 30fps and try to pretty up their games as much as they can.

Nintendo is the only console that really aims for 60fps consistently. Hence, why all their games look cartoony.

>>256027009
You're retarded.

A 27" 4K TV will have a higher PPI than a 60" 4K TV. That is just an objective fact. Pixels Per Inch

>>256027628
>That complete lack of shadowing.

>>256027460
>MUH PC REVENUE
>mainly comes from moba and mmo crap that runs on toaster PCs

L-E-L

Fucking PC scum are the biggest human trashes on this planet. Stupid little fucking white boys over the age of 20 still like act a fucking 10 years old.

>>256027721
>game hits 60 fps in the menu
>it's 60 fps guise

>>256027685
>There's no casuals in the game market.

>literally the fastest growing market (mobile) catered to nothing but casuals

>no casuals in the game market

???

>>256027653
>High end cards costing more than PS4 struggle with framerate at WD, same with Arma
>N-no guys all PC's games are stable

>>256027628
>TLOU on youtube
Look, /v/. It's the PC version, but with even more compelling gameplay.

>>256027736
>A 27" 4K TV will have a higher PPI than a 60" 4K TV
Yes? I never said anything about that not being the case.

>>256027503
>>256027460
I'm not saying there is no money to be made just not enough for AAA developers to make games with the PC in mind first. If it was they would do just that. These are businesses they don't give a single fuck what you play the game on so the real money must be on Consoles.

>>256025060
Please tell me there's an actual game where you shoot bears in the slow and can watch it with x ray vision in super slow motion.

>>256023497
1920 x 1080 x 4 = 8294400
3840 x 2160 = 8294400

4 times the pixel count.

>>256027758
Damn, you didn't just move the goalpost you pulled more lies out of your ass to move it.

>>256027865

>uses a bad port by a company known for terrible PC ports, and a game in a series always known for instability
>forgets to mention every other PC game that is just fine

>>256027816
>game hits 60 fps in the menu
>Picture clearly show 60fps during gameplay

Sometimes it's better to admit that you lost than keeping embarassing yourself in front of everyone anon

>>256023475

But its the fact (these days) that consoles can be around 5 or even 10 years. A majority of games will be cross developed for both PCs and consoles (muh monies) and so that have to cater for and push the locked console hardware to a limit. PCs then are mostly locked to console quality, aside from simple things like resolution, DirectX features and raw frame rates. Because of the money demands and cross development as a result, games like Crysis and Metro - which become THE benchmark which hardware developers strive to run with the most frames for the least cost - become a rarity when it comes to going beyond conventional graphics standards

>>256025060
WHAT GAME IS THIS

>>256027865
>cherry-picking this hard
>Honestly thinking PC game stability is even in the same dimension as consoles

Alright, time to stop.

>>256022831
physics in gaming is not held back by consoles. its held back by refusal to support multi-threading

>>256028024
>>uses a bad port
Goalposts moved again.
>forgets to mention every other PC game that is just fine
Still being in delusion. He dosen't know that framerate varies between PC builds and it can drop to 30fps in some games

>>256023358
you have to make 4K look lik e shit to get more than 30 fps

4K is going to be a gimmick forever
NVIDIA and AMD won't release a single card that can run it at 60 fps even if they had the resources available because they can afford to stall graphic card development
even if they did it's going to cost as much as titan Z right now

>>256027932

>the real money

AAA is the casino of game dev. You bet it all, and if you're successful, you can cash in or bet it all again. Why do we see so many big names in AAA going indie? Because its a dangerous business where you can lose all your cash in the blink of an eye. There's just so much risk, its senseless.

Sustainable development is much better than betting it all like a retard. AAA publishers don't realise this, and thats why they post such stupid losses.

>>256028138
>T-they dosen't count because you choose them
>use strawman I never said
>thinking PC gamers usually don't play at much lower framerates

High end GPU's today struggle to do 1440 above 30hz.

What makes you think they can do 2160p at 60hz or even 120hz?

>>256028153

Its not a delusion. You do your research when you build your PC so you don't buy a card known for dodgy framerate issues, same with your processor. Its like buying the PS4 over the Xbox One because you know you'll get better framerates in specific games you want to play.

>consolekids in charge of thinking purchases through

>>256028029
Game is not 60 fps if it just occasionally hits 60.

The best way to measure would be the average.

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>>256028253

That's because they are not ubisoft

>>256022831
Not much.
The principal break for it will be the Intel integrated computers.. but just for the next 3 years or so, because they will then get faster than the PS4 and every single fucking dell sold at a discount will be faster than the PS4.

The whole concept of "computer that can't run games" will die.

>>256028125
Might be the Hunter.

I don't feel like going out and buying a new monitar/TV just so I can circle jerk with several /v/irgins over the three things in existence that are in 4K native. I really don't give that big of a shit over video games.

>>256028353
>You do your research when you build your PC so you don't buy a card known for dodgy framerate issues, same with your processor

Enlighten me, what build gives you 60fps (without any single drops!) in all games? I want to see if you even know what are you talking about.

>>256028304
What are you talking about? R9 280x and GTX 770 already do 1440p in practically every game on ultra without drops. The most demanding games get stable 60 fps by turning down some settings, like MSAA.

>>256028023

No PC scum. MOBA and MMO are the the reason why PC gaming is thriving. You stupid insecure little bitches who need to look down upon console owners 24/7 are irrelevant and no one gives a shit about you.

>>256028623
None because "60 fps" is actually 59.94.

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>>256028646
God damn that's some serious butthurt, son