4k is four times 1080p. Consoles can't do 1080p at 30 hz.
How much will graphics and physics be held back by them this generation?
You are also now aware that physics have hardly improved since the times of FEAR and HL2.
Still don't understand how consoles hold back graphics. If they didn't exist the industry would be a more exclusive club anyway because people still wouldn't build high end PCs. Regardless of consoles or not, we'd be getting the same amount of high end visual PC titles like Crysis or Metro because the target audience would be people with toasters for PCs.
>It actually feels like physics has gotten worse these days
One of the reasons is that because most of the integrated GPU is dedicated to the graphics, as they sell the best, the physics calculations are left for the CPU. The console CPUs are incredibly weak so they can barely handle any physics.
Oh no, I agree with you to some degree. It's also fucking hilarious to watch you autists fling shit about this every five minutes.
Here's a hint: most people just don't fucking care. 4K screens are still prohibitively expensive and the average consumer is only just working into full-HD display. Developers aim for the lowest starting point and scale up from there - so. If you want to bitch, bitch at Sony, Panasonic, LG and Samsung for making screens so expensive - you can bet your ass that if they were the market standard, more devs would take advantage of it.
Until then, please - cease thine pointless whining, OP, for thou art a faggot.
I think 4k for gaming is nice but pretty expensive right now.
I wouldn't mind one for art or music production though, you can never have enough real-estate. I'm okay with 1080p at the moment though.
Fucking this. In the havok early days every game tried to implement physics enabled objects, and now everything that is not characters is fucking nailed down to the floor. This especially bad in AAA games.
After playing the Last of Us on the PS4 I don't see why console devs dont aim for the sort of graphical fidelity that was typical of the end of the previous console gens cycle, but at 1080p/60fps with high res textures and what not. The remaster looks better than most games developed for the PS4 which says a lot, and they can just push out graphical improvements as the years go by and they learn to optimise more without sacrificing the 1080/60 standard.
4K isn't becoming a reference for at least 4-5 years, if ever. TV chanels won't follow because most couldn't even do the transition to 1080p without haxing half their programs to save bandwidth.
You double the height and the width. It's four times.
I'm sure not against 4k resolution in and of itself, but I think I'd rather have smooth framerates and more going on at 1080p first. Then once we have power to spare for doing everything you could want at 1080p, move on to 4k.
this. you already need a fucking 900$ GPU to run games properly at 1080p these days, I doubt any of hte GPU constructors are actually ready to deliver anything that can handle it at a proper framerate that isn't a "lol 4 GPU cards" 4000$ scam. Keep in mind, they all updated their core tech extremely recently, they aren't going to invest into something new in the next 5 years because they can't afford it.
If he had said many things other than "nice visuals" he could have made a decent point.
But really, nice visuals? What the fuck else is 4K going to do that doesn't involve sight?
They really can't though, or atleast the vast majority can't do full 1080 at a STABLE 30.
"Next Gen" should have waited a few more years so we didn't have to deal with this pathetic stumble forward.
Finally a thread about game-physics
To me, a game with proper physics is wayyy more enjoyable than pretty graphics. Shit like in pic related takes away all immersion
Videogames will never resemble reality anyways but we can atleast make the videogames itself a believable world by transferring our knowledge of natural physics
>shooting a guy in the leg
>the leg gets pushed back by the hit accordingly
Of course a game can still have oldschool animations, then I would consider them videogamey, but I really like to enjoy a full game with proper physics.
>tfw the coding is probably hard as fuck and the algorithms arent even invented yet
I don't think you understand the PC faggots in here. They tight how they feel about themselves to the PC, if their PC is better than something, they will feel superior. By shitting on consoles to this extent they feel that they are far more superior to something, thus increasing how superior they feel.
last time I read OP console can't into 1080p and 30 fps at all! Now we are moving to point that there actualy games at 1080p and 60fps but with drops! Dp you want me to die from laughter? You also realize that PC games also have frame drops?
I'd rather have pic-related .
It's 21:9 ratio, 3440 x 1440 resolution and cheaper than a 4k monitor.
What was that about consoles can't 30fps at 1080p again if they can run games better than that?
Why is it so hard for this industry to just agree on a standard?
Why not just use all those 1080p/60hz screens they've been selling for the past 8 years to their full extent? Wouldn't that be nice?
Because consoles are catered to most of the time over pcs. Though this honestly is just more reason for the AAA to fuck off and indies to fill the gap. But then we have to deal with early access or kickstarter bullshit.
When 4K gets a high adoption rate new consoles will be released. No way this generation will last 10 years.
As consoles aren't being sold at a loss they are much more likely to release new consoles much earlier. VR will also probably force another console generation to happen earlier because VR is very computationally expensive.
The major question is how long will 4K last until 8K.
Because they don't want to take more of a hit to put out consoles that could do that, or raise the price even further and risk putting off a lot of people.
I'm sure down the line we'll get to this standard though.
Killzone rarely gets above 48 in MP.
Knack struggled to maintain 30.
The Order isn't even full 1080.
And Watch Dogs had a number of frame drops as well. Most of those numbers are just from the dev's and mean fuck all.
>stable 60 fps on PC
>console manufacturer lie that hardly touches 60 fps unless you stare at the floor
Hmm, I wonder which one I'll choose given the plethora of multiplats... Decisions, decisions...
Awhile back they did a tech demo running Dragon Crown at 4k on the ps3. I'm sure if they wanted to, they could make 4k games for the ps4. But it won't run at 60 fps.
Not even sure most PC cards can run games at 4k with 60 fps.
Two problems are lack of 60Hz support for 4K and cost. Both will be fixed in two years.
They realised that selling consoles at a loss means they had to extend the generation to 9 years in order make a profit.
They'll most likely stay release consoles more often such as every 5 years but avoid making expensive consoles where the make a big loss on each one. It's more sensible from a price/performance standpoint to do it this way. The more higher end the hardware the worse the price/performance gets.
>Adds black bars to make it look like 21:9
>Doesn't support 21:9 monitors
>runs at 60
It doesn't and the numerous webm's floating around say otherwise as well.
And Knack was so sporadic it was nearly unplayable. It should have just stayed a tech demo.
Not really. If you must press your face up to the center of the screen it offers broad peripheral vision, if you're not retarded and sitting back far enough you get a broad span of view for scenery, racing, etc.
Anyone who thinks 4K is actually worthwhile is retarded. There's a reason retina screens exist, and that's because we can't see the individual details on the screen beyond a certain point. 4K is just paying for shit you won't see.
This might sound like the "hurr human eyes cant see above 30 fps" troll, but go ahead, read up on it.
>Consoles hold back graphics
We've been over this OP; PC gaming holds back PC gaming. If consoles were holding back PC graphics, the Witcher series, Cryengine, and Frostbite wouldn't look so good and run so well. PC ports are made for low or mid range toasters, and the community sticks to games like LoL anyways.
Stop trying to convince yourself your own community isn't at fault.
I haven't had that at 4k. The monitor in that picture is 3440x1440 which is less than 4k.
You see movement just fine at the edges of the screen. You just don't see the details. If you need to see the details, you focus your eyes on it.
In FPS you can just increase your FoV so that the space occupied by a smaller screen covers something like 90-100 degrees and the rest is extra.
There is just about no downside.
>console manufacturer lie that hardly touches 60 fps unless you stare at the floor
>Look, I'm pulling things out of my ass and lie again. I also deflected from question about my idiotic statement that "consoles can't into 1080p and 30fps" after I got proven wrong. I'm seriously thinking that PC don't have drops. I also used picture of retard thinking that will help me win my argumentation.
>more resolution isn't worth it
Please stay on Mt. Stupid, 4k is only meh right now because it's not standard and more expensive. Eventually it will be the new 1080 so monitors/tvs will be cheaper, but not right now.
Where did 1080p resolutions first appear? Where did relatively realistic physics first appear? Where did online multiplayer first appear? Where did MMO's first appear?
Consoles hold everything back.
>You see movement just fine at the edges of the screen. You just don't see the details. If you need to see the details, you focus your eyes on it.
It's worth mentioning that this is the case even at 1080p.
Well, good thing I don't play games for their graphics, otherwise I'd be pissed.
Hardware hardons are for people who want to have the most powerful machine, ie. PC gamers.
Consoles and arcades have been and will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost. A console can't do 4k? Doesn't matter as long as the games they develop for it are great. Resolution or hardware doesn't make a good game.
>but not right now.
so why hype it now? You just know the hardware you'll buy now will be shitty, with bad reliance and cost an arm, for no content available.
The first generation of everything shouldn't be bought by people who care, that's what your dumb mom and grandma are for.
Because you can only go so far when the specs are from last decade
At the size of screen you'd need to actually see all that shit, you'd be dealing with a screen where your eyes would need to drift ever further to see things on the periphery, or even in the mid left and mid right. Its absolutely senseless to push 4K as a resolution unless you're adamant you want to see the pores on a guys foreskin when watching porn.
>Consoles and arcades have been and will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost.
>will always be all about the games and their gameplay first and foremost.
I wish this were still true anon.
Shut the fuck up, retard.
Bullshit. If PC fags stopped stealing all their games or only buying them when they are 80% off people would make games with them in mind. The only thing "holding back" AAA PC games is PC gamers.
Consoles are hardly about their games and gameplay anymore anon. It's all a pissing contest with shit vs shit and exclusives. Not to mention the movie-game trend.
Maybe someday the casuals and faggots will move on so we can have our husk back.
4k has good gaming support on the PC. For other tasks like browsing you'd be stupid to use the full screen for just one task.
Ever heard of 'windows button'+'arrow left/right'?
Turn down all your settings to low and you can.
Graphics cards at the moment aren't very efficient at rendering at 4K. This will change with later generations of GPUs.
The frame rate is unlocked and not locked at 30fps. This means the frame rate can go above 30fps but that doesn't mean it will hit 60fps.
Most console games have the framerate locked at 30fps. This means even if more frames could be rendered only 30 will ever be rendered. Devs work to make sure the game stays at 30fps under most circumstances though when a lot of stuff is happening on screen the frame-rate can often dip into the low 20s.
Making them bigger lowers PPI dumbass. You ever got close to a large LED bilboard and you can see each individual pixel/light is huge. Well, that is what it is like when being up close to a large TV.
Why is every single solitary syllable posted on this board against PC an outright lie?
Is this really ALL consolefags can possibly do when confronted with these things is to lie their ass off nonstop and hope repeating misinfo will make their shitty plastic toys more appealing?
>implying pc games dont make profit
With digital distribution, PC games can cut out publishers, boxing costs, advertisement, all that extra shit. They don't need to purchase SDK's, they don't need to license expensive software because of a huge amount of available stuff. So all that about PC gamers incurring cost losses on the creators is just a lot of shit.
Poor troll, 0/10
>Peak is 60
>Avarage is below 50 for Killzone
>Knack is even worse
>playing a friend's PS4
>still has jaggies
Yeah, but now we're used to 1080p its all good. But a 4K screen at the distance of a desk is just fucking retarded. You'd need a huge monitor and you'd be losing your all-in-one view by doing that.
The only real use for it is sitting further, like on console, but we all know consoles won't be doing 4K for at least 20 years.
Exclusives have always been a thing with consoles. The Golden and Silver ages of gaming was all about the great games that came to those consoles. You had Super Mario Bros. on NES and on no other console.
>casuals and faggots
There's no casuals in the game market. If anything else, the current situation of game industry is in trouble because of the hard core gamers.
This is such bullshit. Consoles are running 30fps because developers know that people care more about picture fidelity than framerate. The average person notices a different in picture fidelity far quicker than a difference in framerate.
Graphics > framerate is true on consoles. Devs aim for 30fps and try to pretty up their games as much as they can.
Nintendo is the only console that really aims for 60fps consistently. Hence, why all their games look cartoony.
A 27" 4K TV will have a higher PPI than a 60" 4K TV. That is just an objective fact. Pixels Per Inch
>MUH PC REVENUE
>mainly comes from moba and mmo crap that runs on toaster PCs
Fucking PC scum are the biggest human trashes on this planet. Stupid little fucking white boys over the age of 20 still like act a fucking 10 years old.
I'm not saying there is no money to be made just not enough for AAA developers to make games with the PC in mind first. If it was they would do just that. These are businesses they don't give a single fuck what you play the game on so the real money must be on Consoles.
>game hits 60 fps in the menu
>Picture clearly show 60fps during gameplay
Sometimes it's better to admit that you lost than keeping embarassing yourself in front of everyone anon
But its the fact (these days) that consoles can be around 5 or even 10 years. A majority of games will be cross developed for both PCs and consoles (muh monies) and so that have to cater for and push the locked console hardware to a limit. PCs then are mostly locked to console quality, aside from simple things like resolution, DirectX features and raw frame rates. Because of the money demands and cross development as a result, games like Crysis and Metro - which become THE benchmark which hardware developers strive to run with the most frames for the least cost - become a rarity when it comes to going beyond conventional graphics standards
>>uses a bad port
Goalposts moved again.
>forgets to mention every other PC game that is just fine
Still being in delusion. He dosen't know that framerate varies between PC builds and it can drop to 30fps in some games
4K is going to be a gimmick forever
NVIDIA and AMD won't release a single card that can run it at 60 fps even if they had the resources available because they can afford to stall graphic card development
even if they did it's going to cost as much as titan Z right now
>the real money
AAA is the casino of game dev. You bet it all, and if you're successful, you can cash in or bet it all again. Why do we see so many big names in AAA going indie? Because its a dangerous business where you can lose all your cash in the blink of an eye. There's just so much risk, its senseless.
Sustainable development is much better than betting it all like a retard. AAA publishers don't realise this, and thats why they post such stupid losses.
Its not a delusion. You do your research when you build your PC so you don't buy a card known for dodgy framerate issues, same with your processor. Its like buying the PS4 over the Xbox One because you know you'll get better framerates in specific games you want to play.
>consolekids in charge of thinking purchases through
The principal break for it will be the Intel integrated computers.. but just for the next 3 years or so, because they will then get faster than the PS4 and every single fucking dell sold at a discount will be faster than the PS4.
The whole concept of "computer that can't run games" will die.
I don't feel like going out and buying a new monitar/TV just so I can circle jerk with several /v/irgins over the three things in existence that are in 4K native. I really don't give that big of a shit over video games.
>You do your research when you build your PC so you don't buy a card known for dodgy framerate issues, same with your processor
Enlighten me, what build gives you 60fps (without any single drops!) in all games? I want to see if you even know what are you talking about.
What are you talking about? R9 280x and GTX 770 already do 1440p in practically every game on ultra without drops. The most demanding games get stable 60 fps by turning down some settings, like MSAA.
No PC scum. MOBA and MMO are the the reason why PC gaming is thriving. You stupid insecure little bitches who need to look down upon console owners 24/7 are irrelevant and no one gives a shit about you.
God damn that's some serious butthurt, son