Toxikk

I am really excited for this game. When will it be out?

but i already have quake live, i dont want a game with the name of a 13 year old kid

>>255998791
you would make a shitty parent if you'd name your child toxik.

>>255998791
>>255999042
It really does need a name change.

the community seems pretty toxic

>>255998163
>NO BULLSHIT
>vehicles in expansive open maps
>also sniper rifles
yeah fuck this game its just halo

>>255999042
i meant nickname, my bad

>>255999210
#rekt

Isn't a new Unreal and DOOM coming out we don't need this amateur shit

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I'm cautiously optimistic.
>Google "Toxikk"
>Get exactly what I expected
Holy shit, devs. Change the name before it's too late.
Also remove the bloom, shit. Arena shooters need a clean aesthetic.

>laggy unreal engine shit
no thanks

>>255999364
WHAt the fuck did I just tell you
>>255998791

Game is doomed from the start.

>>255998163
>All that bloom and motion blur

Eh... Mite b kool

But Quake will forever be superior to UT. Reflex has me more hyped.

>Toxikk
What is this, League of Legends?

>>255999310
except you can carry 9 weapons at once.

arena shooters are bad

>>255999634
>you can carry 9 weapons
too bad people will only ever be using the sniper rifle

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>New Unreal
>New DOOM
>This shit
>Cawadoody popularity on the downfall
I promised myself I wouldn't get excited over video games ever again

I can't believe you faggots.
This is exactly what you mustard rice assholes want, and instead you bitch and fucking moan about it. You're looking for a reason to dislike it.
>12 year old EDGY name
So fucking what. What the fuck was QUAKE anyways?

Game looks like fun. I'd play it.

>>256000043
I'm excited to play it, It just badly needs a name change. I don't want to cringe with embarrassment every time I open thegame.

>>256000043
> What the fuck was QUAKE anyways?
The best game ever created

>>256000205
I don't disagree, but it's really not that big a deal.
>>256000228
in terms of names though? What the fuck?

Nexuiz, warsow, and plenty of other Arena shooter clones filled the gap, but we have QL, UT4, and Doom 4, so IDGAF about your shit game devs/OP/420blazeitkush

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>>256000284
Quake is a much better name than ToXikk vKUSHv

>>256000284
>>256000228
>>256000205
What the fuck would you call it though?

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>>256000534
I dunno.
...Fragger?

>>256000534
John Romero's Game

>>256000480
I'm not saying it isn't anon.
I'm saying It's still pretty shit.

>>256000534
Halo
No, but really. Toxic is fine. Toxik is getting edgy, but still okay.
>>256000702
How about Fraggot?

This looks amazing. All that speed is pretty crazy, can't wait to play it!

>>256000780
>Not appreciating my dreadful pun
Well fuck you too, buddy

>>256000773
Suck it down simulator.

Damn, those are some really nice 3D graphics. The game looks really fun too! I can't wait.

>>256000921
>>256000786
>This false fragging
Please stop, Anon.

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Why does /v/ fall in love with shit like this?

Its going to die just like rise of the triad did.

When warsow/quake live get released on steam, thats basically the only chance of arena fps reviving any time soon.

(Both Warsow and Quake Live will be released on steam very soon.)

>>255998163
Don't fool yourself. This may be good for the first 2 months but the community will die just like every other f2p arena shooter

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Is it me or does this look like UT2K4 with a new coat of paint?

That one map looked like ONS-ArcticStronghold and even had vehicles which looked just like the scorpion, raptor and mantis.

It takes a *real* game to have that kind of old-skool gameplay. No F2P? Finally, a developer that gets it!

>>256001074
>every other f2p arena shooter
It's not f2p. That's why I'm actually optimistic.

I'll play if they have duels.
The only good team based FPS is CS.

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>>256001134
You're persistent, I'll give you that.

Now THIS is what I'm looking for in a game - skill based FPS combat and good graphics, just like old times! Have all my money, Reakkktor Studios!

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>multiple arena FPSes at once
>professional scene is revived
>MOBA-playing faggots jump on the bandwagon like the sheep they are
>streams actually become worth watching

>>255998163
Looks good, especially the "no F2P" shit. Thank fuck for that.

I just hope they have more weapons other than pistol, assault rifle, rocket launcher, and nuke. If they do it right, each additional weapon could be a game changer. They need the weapon variety and they need to do it right.

>>256001429
If you were a real shill, you'd like the dev studio has 2 k's. Quit shitposting please.

This is Reakkkktor Studios's first game? Amazing..

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>>255998163
>People think the Arena FPS genre is dead
Far from.
The reason no new Arena FPS games are made is because the genre has been near perfected with long established franchises like UT, Quake and to some extent CounterStrike.

It is near impossible to establish a new franchise in this genre because these games have pretty much defined it. There are still full servers in UT99, UT2k4, and Quake3. Not to mention Quake Live and UT4 coming out soon.

>>256001751
So what's going to draw people already playing UT99/2k4/Q3 to pay Actual American Dollars to play this game instead?

>>256002175
Nothing. This game will be long forgotten by the time the TRUE saviour of arena fps comes around in the form of UT4

>>256001692
It's that studio's first game, but the website says that all of the members have something like 10+ years of experience making games.
So we'll see.

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>>256002175
Be unique from UT99,2k4 and q3.

Also fix the lighting. Bloom, glare and all that fancy shit just gets in the way.

Look at ut2k4 and quake 3. The lighting is very crisp and everything is visually defined.
This helps the game develop its competitive edge.

Pic related is a bad example. Also pic related was a game that cost money and now its dead as fuck.

>>256002346
He's just shitposting.

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>>256002658
>mfw I own that piece of shit

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>>256002838
Its okay in the mindless fun department. I actually liked the design of the maps.
The game did a lot of things right, just not lighting and autoaiming.

>>256002658
what game

>>256003052
Nexuiz Remake

It was actually somewhat active up until THQ shut down. After that the servers went away and it was removed from the store.

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>Vehicles are optional
What a fucking relief.

>>256003724
Where are the devs from? English seems to be a second language.

>>255998163
I SURE CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY THIS CROSS BETWEEN HALO AND UT2k4 INSTEAD OF QUAKE LIVE WHICH IS ALREADY THE PERFECT FPS

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>>255998163
>mfw this game

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>>255998163
Frankly for everything it promises it looks nothing like old school shit, and it doesn't look unique either. Looks like about half a dozen other games just like it with a half assed "We are not like those other games" coat of paint hastily slapped over it.

I am not interested in this shit at all, and that's not just because I can play my old arena shooters any time I want and they will probably be more populated than this game will be a month after release, but because it doesn't look like it brings a single thing new to the table.

It says "arena FPS", but all the footage it shows is in big wide open areas.

>>256005021
Germany from the looks of it

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>DooM
>FUCK YEAH!
>Quake Live
>YEAH!
>Warsaw
>Yeah!
>UT4
>O-ok... I'm good.
>Toxikk
>P-please, I'm good...
I never thought I'd see the day where there would be TOO MANY arena shooters again.

>>256012374
I was the same except also hyped for Reborn and Reflex, don't care so much about Warsaw

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>>256001460
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Is this the new hot thing to viral?

Looks good but I don't buy early access. At least not anymore.

>feels like a mix of unreal tournament and halo
>free
>those graphics
>dedicated servers and mods hopefully

I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT

>>255998163
>No F2P
Dead on arrival

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>>256012692
It's a conspiracy

>mfw this whole ASSFAGGOTS fad was pushed solely to make Arena shooters look better by comparison to kids who never played them

>>255998163
Wish it had reloading and want it to be DRM-free.

>>256000205

>Being embarrassed by opening a game where you are most likely at home alone.

Jesus what kind of Autistic fag are you.

>>256012804
>>free
Uh, it's not free.

>>256001009
Rise of the triad died out because the remake had a lot of issues, same for Shadow Warrior

>>256013028
>Wish it had reloading

what

>>256013251
uhm, what do you mean, "what"?

>>255998163
With the exception of no regenerating health and no reload, this just seems like a faster-paced version of Halo 3.
It does look good, though.

>>256001009
>(Both Warsow and Quake Live will be released on steam very soon.)
>Warsow
I have been checking every. fucking. day. when is this god damn masterpiece gonna come out?

>>256001460
Dividing zero by any number other than it still gives zero. Arena games are pretty much a novelty of the past.

>>256013332
why

>>256012857
Say that all you want but MOBAS destroyed MMOS.

>>256013475
It's always been there on its own. And don't be so deluded to think that giving it a bit more publicity will suddenly make it popular.

>>256013209

I thought you just had to buy the beta? ah well its finished just like rise of the triad and the rest of them

>>256013485
because, then it's all point and click/hold+pray

>>256013586
You what mate?

>>256013638
>point and click
Aren't all shooters?
>hold+pray
confirmed bad

>>255998163
>You killed xXxPr0Sn1p3rAut1stxXx
>+100
Remove that shit, reduce the UI, make closed maps with verticality, and we could have a potential GOTY

Damn are they not even going with a publisher for this? That's pretty cool.

>>256013826
most shooters are point+click, moderate yourself+stop.

>>256013959
and how is that better

>>256014028
Keeps things exciting.

>>256013880
But anon, then i won't know how many points i got and how long until the next unlock

>>256014086
How doesn't this

>>256013959
>moderate yourself+stop.
There's still ammo pickups, dude.

>>255998163
I don't particularly like how the game looks. If they made the graphics neater, clearer, more fit for competitive, that would be a massive improvement.

>>256014161
>moderate yourself

>>256014264
Still.

>>256014327
Still what you fucking retard? How does your argument mean anything if it's basically the exact same shit BUT THIS ONE IS EXCITING?

>>256013579
>It's always been there on its own.
That doesn't make sense, it was actually greenlit I fucking voted for it.
>And don't be so deluded to think that giving it a bit more publicity will suddenly make it popular.
It will see more growth, guaranteed go check their website right now there is probably around 20-40 players on right now. It will see growth because its a good game, its fun______ and it requires a fair amount of skill.

>>256014327
Nigger just repeating A doesn't explain how A is superior to B. And as >>256014264 said there's still fucking ammo pickups. Are you just being epik?

looks like ut, i'm more of a quake guy.

>>256014370
k, let's just get angry about nothing.

anyway.. I like reloading because two people shooting at eachother will have to stop soon.
Just having to get ammo isn't really the same.
>>256014453
SAMEFAG

>>255999310
>implying there weren't snipers in UT

>>256014696
>k, let's just get angry about nothing.
What the fuck retard forum do you come from?
>anyway.. I like reloading because two people shooting at eachother will have to stop soon.
Ammo pickups
>Just having to get ammo isn't really the same.
why
>SAMEFAG
>MORE THAN ONE PERSON CAN'T POSSIBLY DISAGREE WITH MY ILL-INFORMED OPINION

I don't even like Arena shooters but i'm going to buy this next week because it looks pretty good.

And for the price of £8 even if it isn't as good as it looks I don't even care.

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>>256014814
Dis nigga mad.

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>>256013586
>rise of the triad
God dammit man, I'm still not over it.

>>256014814
Ill-informed?
informed about what?
wtf..
Angry retard teens sprouting up all over /v/.

>>256015005
>informed about what?
>>256014264
>>256014327

>>256015075
There's nothing to be informed about, wtf..
Informed about what?
My own posts?
Okay.

>>256015219
wow

Looks like it could be good.
I enjoyed UTK2004.
I enjoyed Halo 1-3.
I enjoyed Quake.

I might enjoy this, depending on the balance and speed.
Movement speed seems kinda low, but I can get used to that I suppose.

>>256015253
gr8 post,
1 word
perfect
7/10

Toxic is okay.
Toxik is pushing it, but still acceptable
Toxikk is just fucking retarded

>>256015407
xd

>>256001248
>The only good team based FPS is CS.
lol

>>256015425
The double K appears to be a reference to their studio name, same as Crysis.

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>>255998163
I smell the blood of a shill.

> reinstall UT2k4 recently
> onslaught everywhere
fucking hate this.

>>256015748
Let's face it, without shills we would discuss only about fags and Dark Souls.

>>256015748
No you don't.

That first thread was me last night. The second one was me about an hour ago, I didn't see this thread before posting it, if I had seen this thread I wouldn't of posted it.

Enjoy your paranoid shill delusions though faggot.

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>>255998163
>revamping
>just copypasting UT2004 with new graphics

They don't have the balls to do anything new with the genre, they just want nostalgia gaymur cred for going back to their roots.

>>256002658
God that game is so bad it made me angry. They hyped up this big return to arena FPSes and it turned out they knew butt fuck all about them. Almost every single decision that went into this game, from the art design, to the movement mechanics, to the weapons, to the powerups, was a bad one.

>>256016171
Why don't you wait till you have played or seen full gameplay instead of spewing a pile of shit out of your mouth?

Reflex is the only good looking Arena FPS coming up.

>>256016171
>just copypasting UT2004 with new graphics
im ok with this

>>256015497
>implying anybody is going to know that

>>256016330
>spewing a pile of shit out of your mouth

Hey, they're the ones who did it first. The fact that they're just trying to sell it on nostalgia is a bad sign, if they had any respect for the genre or the people who were going to buy their game, they would just present it as it is, but they gotta masquerade that shit behind mocking CoD? That's just weak as fuck.

>>256016027
So you're the shill?

Since arena FPS got old enough to classify as ~nostalgia~ all these guys appeared in the same time period.

>cliffyb making pc shooter (probably going to be arena-like) "Bluestreak" I think
>now Toxikk
>Nexiuz
>Shootmania
>UT4
>Reborn
>Reflex
>Other indies I forgot

And my arena FPS liking friends will still just bitch and complain if the physics don't perfectly represent some other shooter. Hoping at least one of these makes them happy, I guess.

Looks like Halo, could be fun. Hope it has a campaign or at least good bots.

>>256016341
>quake clone
no thanks

>>256016571
You don't fix perfection.

>>256016171
What new things would you add to the genre, without making it a huge bloating cancer mountain?

>>256016640
I dunno, new movement mechanics, radically new types of weapons, maybe some interesting new game modes that aren't just the standard TDM/CTF/KOTH fare? I mean ask that to someone who played Doom when it came out and you would've gotten Quake. Ask that to someone who played Quake and you would've gotten Unreal. Ask that to someone who played Unreal and you would've gotten Tribes. There actually was a progression to the genre that halted as soon as CoD caught on.

>>256016498
Go away dickhead.

>>256016905
>halted as soon as Halo caught on
FTFY chum

>>256016995
You literally just admitted to it

>>256016905
The devs of the new UT game have actually been testing out different movement systems. Nothing too extreme or revolutionary, but these things come gradually.

>>256016997
Nah, they were still making arena FPSes when Halo was a thing, I mean Halo itself was an arena FPS, albeit a slower one with regen health, but it brought bigger maps and vehicles into the equation so it all evens out.

>>256016905
But now we get Splatoon. That game actually adds interesting mechanics.

>>256016905
It brings new problematics that developers may not handle well. Look at Strike vector for example, it's kinda neat, but it also has wildly unbalanced weapons, maps that make a bunch of them useless and too few of them.

>>256017073
How did I admit it?

I made a thread about a game I want to talk about. One thread was made yesterday and another one today which I wouldn't of posted if I saw this one first.

Fucking idots like you should be killed at birth.

>>256017118
Yeah you said stopped after Halo caught on. So not that Halo stopped progression, just that every game started to copy Halo like regen health, vehicles etc

>>256017121
>Third person
>slow as fuck movement when in combat

You need fast movement when in combat, this is what tribes ascend failed at. When you were actually fighting people, you weren't going fast at all.

>>256017117
>>256017121
And there you go. Some of the pros still know what's up, they don't care as much about sticking to genre conventions because they helped invent them after all. Indies seem to be on this mission to prove themselves and make something that fits into an idealized mold, they're ironically innovating less than the AAA and AA devs right now.

>>255998163
It doesn't look very good though.
>those cluttered as fuck maps
>that slow movement
>vehicles
I think this might be doomed from the start

>>256017210
>How did I admit it?
Well you said this:

>I made a thread about a game I want to talk about. One thread was made yesterday and another one today which I wouldn't of posted if I saw this one first.

Now I'm not a professional detective or anything but that looks suspiciously like proof that you were the one making these topics shilling Toxikk

>>256017242
Oh, fair enough.

>>256017249
Normally, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure it works like that on consoles. You don't have m+kb controls there.

I'm just happy somebody is trying something new. With cute lolis.

>>256017324
Wanting to talk about a game = shilling.
You do understand how this board works? You make threads about games you want to talk about.

You're are a fucking retard.

>>256017275
I don't think it's *that* bad that they don't really innovate. UT2k4 was a successful formula and if they manage to make a new and polished version of it, I'd be more than happy to play it.

Let's just hope they don't fuck up like Nexuiz.

>>256013052
>anon is now playing: TOCKSICK:: SCKRILLECKS COLLECKTOR'S EDITION
>every steam friend points at you and laughs

>>256017549
I'm fine with iteration and refinement, I just think it's a shame the way people seem to lose their shit over retreads like this. It happened with Nexuiz, it happened with Rise of the Triad, it happened with that other shitty remake I can't remember. It's this endless cycle of "FUCK THE SYSTEM, WE'RE GOING BACK TO OUR ROOTS"

>>256017514
No I don't think you understand how this board works, newfriend. It's not 2007 anymore.

Nowadays on /v/ you either post about Dark Souls, shit on a game or accuse someone of shilling if they post about an indie game.

You go to /vg/ or /vr/ if you want anything resembling actual video game discussion. /v/ is now a containment board

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>>255998163
>Arena is some stupid selling gimmick

This always pisses me off when people do this. It TOTALLY worked with Hard Reset, Bulletstorm and Painkiller. All you need to do is make an arena shooter is have a health system, and weapons you pick up instead of load outs. That's it, those are the only requirements.

>>256014953
Was it really that bad, anon? I only watched a couple of videos of it and couldn't really decide either way.

>>255998163
>That top comment
>All of those butthurt arenafag circlejerks

Why does this not surprise me?

>>256017827
It's funny how /vg/ was made to contain the cancerous league and sc2 generals (monster hunter general wasn't really cancerous but there were way too fucking many) and yet now there's more vidya discussion there than here.

Sounds like shit. Stop viraling this shit here pls.

>>256018106
No there isn't, /vg/ is 99% circlejerks and tripfagging.

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>>256018106
>now there's more vidya discussion there than here

That was only true for like the first week /vg/ was around.

>>256018106
There is but man some generals are just awful. Some MMO generals are just ERP bullshit.

I think /vg/ is a great idea but of course an extra board doesn't make already cancerous generals any less so.

>>256018043
I wanted to like it, I really did. I fucking pre-ordered it for Christ's sake. But it's just an unoptimized fucking mess. It's dead aside from the ten or something people that play on Fridays.

After checking out their website and their earlier projects, I can't get hyped for this.

This is basically a rip-off of UT2004, just with "prettier" and less clean graphics - something that's horrible for competitive FPS games. I hope they at least let you turn on potato mode in the settings.

Also, their earlier games were mediocre or shitty MMOs. I'm not sure they even know how to make a good and successful game.

Ahahahaha. According to their website, they have 3 (three) maps.

>>255999310

If anything, it looks like UT2K4

>>256018549
How many of them are UT map rip-offs?

>>256000043

quake is a much more sophisticated name than Xx toxiKK xX_[MLG]

>no regenerating health
>not f2p

This is a good thing?

This hilariously shows the current state of the gaming market so perfectly. I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that it's selling points were all removed features. Also the fact that something NOT being free to play is a good thing really is fucked.

>>256017993
>>Arena is some stupid selling gimmick
The sad thing is it's working

>>256000043
>comparing QUAKE to TOCKSICK 360 DUBSTEP MLP GAMING EDITION

>>256018419
So the devs stopped caring about the game when they got the money out of the product? I feel sorry for your loss.

>>256018886

You've been living under a rock for how long?

No regen health means you will have to move faster instead of sitting on your ass. Not f2p means no extra shit sold to you and your enemies for extra money. You pay and you fucking play and it's great.

>>256018886
Can you name more than like three F2P games in existence that don't suffer from cash shop grinding fuckery?

>>256000043
Quake is the codename of the aliens you fight in it.

>>256019228
I think he means that gaming is a joke now that sales arguments are things that used to be standard before.

>>256019062
The trailer screams "HUR FUCK MODERN GAMES" and the mustard are trying to pin the blame on every game ever for the death of their dead genre.

>90's kids

>>256018549
>Game just got its debut trailer
>Site clearly says more maps coming soon

>>256018886

The "features" it removed are all considered casualized cancer anyways, pretty much everything that's F2P is shit and fuck all the leveling nonsense in EVERY game now. Also if you like regenerating health then you're a gigantic pleb casual.

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>>255998163
Those comments are so cancerous it makes me ashamed to like UT. I seriously hope you fags don't do shit like this outside of this shithole.

>>256019574
But the gameplay does look "meh"

>>256019520
What's wrong with regenerating health? Maybe you should git gud instead of blaming mechanics that are too hard for you to understand.

>>256019310

"Gaming" is now and has been for quite some time Business. And business copies whatever sells. So it's logical. The thing that gaming used to be 10 years can be found where nowadays? I play mostly single-player games for the aesthetics and gameplay/game design, and some are truly gems, though short. I guess true single-player games are the only ones that may remind people of what we used to have.

>>256019574
>not f2p makes it guaranteed dead
This is how you know he's a complete retard already at age 12.

>>256019630
Maybe to you, but you aren't everyone.

>>256019648
Regenerating health promotes camping, which slows the game down. Having to move around the map to pick up healthpacks promotes a faster pace to the game.

You damn dirty casual.

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>>256019574
>S-SONY SHILL! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!
>People actually saw this comment and didn't automatically call him a faggot.

>>256019705
For a game that claims to be an arena shooter it just doesn't look like an arena shooter. It looks like Halo.

>>256019648

What's wrong with having health pickups? Maybe you should git gud instead of blaming mechanics that are too hard for you to understand.

You're a fucking retard if you think regenerating health is anything but the most simple, dumbed down casual shit in existence.

>>256019648
>What's wrong with regenerating health?
Because you can just run off and let your health regenerate and keep doing it all game.

With no regen people can't run off and let it regenerate.

>>256019694
That's sadly, partially true. Very few of these payed multiplayer games last long. If it isn't a long standing franchise like CS, it's fucked.

Even Call of Duty is losing PC notability which is why they are thinking about bringing CoD Online over here. This shitty game is full of retarded gimmicks and buzzwords.

>>256019756
Ripping on Sony is an easy way to earn brownie points with /v/ right now.
Especially if there's no evidence.

>>256019780

That's what I was thinking too honestly, I don't want to see vehicles in an arena shooter.

>>256019705
Even for an arena shooter it looks meh. It looks like UT with less "umph." There's nothing special about it outside of marketing buzzwords

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Oh shit, it's an FPS from the Neocron and Black Prophecy guys. Interesting.
Might actually check it out but it's likely to have glaring technical issues - they were never good at that.

I doubt it'll go far, people don't want arena shooters these days. This whole product is marketed at a demographic no longer in the market for gaming. f2p works because the kids gobble it up, they'd never buy an arena shooter to play it.

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>>256019574
>19 people liked that comment

Oh look it's this fucking thread again. Viral is strong with this one.

>>256019927
>Even for an arena shooter it looks meh.
You haven't even seen much of it, plus it is pre alpha and not the finished game.

Why don't you wait till you have seen full gameplay videos instead of talking crap about something you know next to nothing about?

Oh wait, this is /v/.

>>256020038
>Why don't you wait till you have seen full gameplay videos instead of hyping something you know next to nothing about?
fix'd

>>256019943
Neocron was 12 years ago, anon. I doubt the team is still largely the same.

>>256020038
I've seen just as much of reflex and can tell you it's a better game, with people who actually play arena FPS designing it.

>>256020009
Probably more if you take into consideration all the dislikes that weighed that number down.

>>256020038

So then your argument is that it's going to be good because "IT'S A BETA" even though you couldn't know any more about the game.

>>256020232
>I've seen just as much of reflex and can tell you it's a better game
Ok lol, you have seen like 20secs of pre alpha gameplay from this game. Stop talking out of your ass anon.

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>>255998163
>Buzzword
>Buzzword
>Buzzword
>Basically just fast Halo
>Not even an Unreal Tournament clone, it actually looks like Halo on speed
>That damage control and denial in the comments when normalfags bring it up

Also

>Power ups
>Skill
>Then shitting on perks, which are just power ups

I don't understand Arenafags. If they don't like how a lot of shooters are, that's fine, but they act like their genre is the ONLY standard that should exist. Maybe they are mad because they can't git gud at what they claim is "easy," or they are just 90's kids.

>>255998163

>"Pre-alpha footage"
>Textures are completed
>Physics are completed
>Art is completed
>Gameplay is completed

>>256020268
I didn't say it was going to be good, but as usual the edgy 12 year olds are here making it out to be shit before even seeing proper gameplay.

>>256020354
Yes, and I saw slow movement, it felt like I was watching Halo gameplay with how slow it looked.

And I've only seen pre-alpha footage of reflex as well.

>>256020456

If you release footage that makes the game look stupid then people are going to think it looks stupid.

>>256020589
Go away kiddo.

>>256020456
He said the trailer and the gameplay in it is meh, and that's a valid criticism since the trailer focuses on buzzwords more than said gameplay. Get your head out of the gutter anon.

>>256019694
>competitive multiplayer indie fps
>not f2p
>surviving longer than a week
Pick two. This game is definitely going to be DOA. Especially with Quake Live which is f2p and UT4 which will be f2p, everyone will forget about this game after its first week.

>>256020620
>I don't have an argument
>ad hominem time

>>256020791
No I am just bored of arguing with idiots.

I'll wait till I have seen full gameplay and then decide whether it is good or not.

But you carry on hating on things to try and look cool and edgy, i'm sure the other 12 year old edge masters will suck your dick and worship you for being edgy on an anonymous image board.

Lmao. Watching /v/ discuss "arena shooters" is awful and makes me cringe.

Literally what are all these low skill, slow games.

Just play cpm.

Also this is viral out the ass.

>>256020620
>Anybody who disagrees with me is a child

How childish

>>256021000
>low skill, slow games.

Confirmed for never having played one.

>>256021006
>>256020791
>>256020620
Stop replying.

>>256021000
How about you actually contribute and share what makes those slow games bad anon? Because from the looks of it most of them are regarded as some of the best games ever.

>>256020354
Reflex is a CPM clone, made by ex CPM Devs. Gee, what's going to be the better game? Reflex is literally a port.

>>256020965

Considering what I have to go on is footage that makes the game look average at best yeah I think I'll continue saying it looks stupid until they show me something better, until then keep being a mad faggot without any actual arguments.

>>256021074
>>256021085
Because they pale in comparison to Quakeworld and CPM? and I could master the movement in 15 minutes alone.

Also the amount of people that think QL is a good game on here is funny.

>>256021321
Why do they? Don't make a statement, make an argument defending your opinion

>>256021629
Lack of depth in mechanics and movement?
Terrible netcode?
Terrible input?
Terrible artsyles that hinder gameplay?
Rewarding hitscan weaponry and stationary battles?

Its sad that a mod for a game released in 1999 is the standard for competitive arena fps. It took me 3 years to get proficient in CPM movement and I'm still learning and only considered average. I'll still be playing in 10 years and so will other players. The same isn't true for all these cash grab so called arena shooters. I should say that this game looks like mindless fun and I'll play it, I just disagree with them referring to it as arena fps.

Reborn is going to win the arena fps wars.

Why did they choose such a shitty name is beyond me. Other than that, looks ok.

Call it something else

>>256020232
It's 2014 and reflex looks like an old as dirt game, nobody except the tiny minority of spergs that still play quake and their clones will actually play it.

>>256022272
Why is QL bad though? From that list the only thing QW/CPM has over it is more depth in movement. Not mechanics though, I think instant weapon switch actually detracts from the skill ceiling though as it makes weapon selection less crucial and makes the outcome of fights more random as you can just switch to rocket or rail when you are about to die.

>>256022548
No it won't. It doesn't have any core gameplay. For instance how do you make a map for a game with unlimited amounts of physics and rule sets? The game and subsequently the community will be too far split up. It already is of you frequent the forums.

>>256022272
>Lack of depth in mechanics and movement?

Confirmed for never playing a lot of modern shooters

>Terrible netcode?

Confirmed for being BR

>Terrible input?

Where do I even begin with this one... firstly, WHAT? Input is dependant on YOUR end, not the games.

>Terrible artsyles that hinder gameplay?

Subjective, also, how is that even a valid point?

>Rewarding hitscan weaponry and stationary battles?
>Arena shooters don't have hitscan
>A strategy in stationary combat is bad due to your imcompetense

You're a fucking idiot.

"no f2p" is going to kill this right from the start.
Every multiplayer game lives from the amount of pepole playing it and they made that one business choice that will cost them an influx of fresh players. It's going to be Nexuiz all over again.

>>256022985
Not even the guy you are responding to, but you are wrong on every point.

>>256022801
Quake live, not only is it a abomination of quake 3 with a retarded business model (paying for maps I could get free on worldspawn, really?) Its also a solved game and has been for a long time. The skill ceiling was reached years ago. The netcode is really shit and so is the input which I can only assume is because of the way they handled the game being a browser plugin.

CPM not only has movement going for it, but superior netcode and mechanics like the armour system and spawn system. The weapon switch argument is stupid and I'll informed, the weapon switch in CPM is instant but reload times still apply, if you fire the wrong weapon you are still punished. Coupled with the movement the instant weapon switch rewards the fastest most skilled players, having delay simply slows the game down and lowers the skill ceiling. Fights in CPM are about projectiles not hitscan weapons.

>>256023140
How was Nexuiz? Also, wasn't it on Xbox?

>>256023165
not him but you're wrong by stating that as a lot of what the genre is based on preference to begin with. The one point that's objectively a fact is the one with input.

>>256023330
>Fights in CPM are about projectiles not hitscan weapons.
Another thing QL has over CPM, LG fights are actually pretty when you have good aim and dodging

>>256023330
Do you or do you not live in BRland with a shit PC? Nothing you said about Quake Live outside of paid maps is accurate. You only run into those problems if your hardware is bad.

>>256022985
I've been playing fps for a long time. I'm not BR I just have standards for a competitive game. Do you not understand how input and netcode work? Its engine dependant. Do you even know what hitscan means?

So much of your post is I'll informed and wrong, you should read up on some of the stuff you commented on

>>256023330
>Skill ceiling

A funny way of saying "inaccessibility." There is a reason why this genre died buddy

>>256023140
CSGO seems to be doing fine.

>>256023405
He was right about movement mechanics, he was right about netcode inferiority of just just about every other game on the market, he was right about inputs, which that anon didn't even understand and shows he shouldn't even be commenting on the topic, a simple artstyle is needed in a fast paced competitive shooter complexity in the artstyle just cause visual clutter and confusion.

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>>256023581
>Engine dependant
>Saying games are too slow
>Both of the big slow FPS games, Call of Duty and Battlefield, run on superior engines with very very good input times
>Especially Call of Duty which is literally just Quake modified

You CANNOT be any more ignorant even if you tried.

>>256023708
Counter-Strike was already being played by thousands of people.

>>256023581
Are you literally retarded, or just so smug you sound enraged?

>>256023539
Standing in front of each other and wiggling from side to side I find very boring. Because of the weapon switch delay you are literally forced to LG until the death. Boring and slow.

>>>256023564
You just have low standards anon. Quake live is a good game in comparison to most games but when you compare it to CPM it falls short on a lot of things.

>>256023808
I can't comment on CoD, but Frostbite 2 has TERRIBLE input times.

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>>256023581
>You're wrong!
>Doesn't even state why

>>256023903
>confirmed 20% lg

>>256023921
Or maybe you should get better hardware?

BR confirmed

>>256023903
I'm asking because you point the blame on QL being bad because of stupid shit that can be fixed if you have a better PC. I don't even play QL

Does anyone play CPM anymore? Like at all?

>>256023808
There is multiple forks of the quake 3 engine, stop generalizing. Some of them bad some of them good. All of the call of duty games up to black ops had fairly untouched netcode (excluding mw2 and 3) and input.

Dice engine games have a lot of interp and don't have true raw one to one mouse input.

>Arena shooter
>Only shows footage of big ass open maps
>Looks like Halo which isn't an arena shooter at all
>Pre alpha

It's going to be shit.

>>256024197
Just the one autist in this thread.

>>256024165
You can't fix them with a better PC, if you think this you don't understand how they work. If you don't even play them, you can't possibly understand it because it's something you have to feel.

QuakeLive can be played at 120 fps on a toaster, it has nothing to do with hardware.

>>256024008
This is why quake live is a slow and boring game. Its solved and it literally comes down to aim 99% of the time in LG duels. What's fun about that? I like to go fast.

>>256024165
My hardware is fine, when I started playing quake live the game felt fine to me, it wasn't until I moved on to quake 3 that I realized how poor quake live and other games are.

>>256024197
Yes, two frag movies got released last week and I just got back from a small CPM lan gathering. We're hoping reflex will bring more players since it will solve the issue of the game being difficult to introduce players to.

The community has always been small due to the lack of money in it.

>>256024389
CPM spoiled me as a fps player and now I have standards so high that its ruined most games for me.

I'd love for quake live to be good but the player base is knows so little about their game that's its impossible to discuss with them.

>>256024894
I agree the netcode isn't perfect but the input does feel perfect to me for both mouse and movement.

And the netcode is still much better than most other FPS games since it's server-side

>>256023661
You are half right. The genre was never really that popular, it just seems that way because of how big other fps games are these days.

But that's okay, as long as another person is still playing I'll still be playing.

>>256025056
We're not disagreeing with you that it has better netcode than most games, but it does suffer from being a browser based game, they had to the amount of inputs in a given time because of it.

Go play QuakeLive for a week then try the other for a week, and then come back to QuakeLive, you'll notice the difference.

>>256025056

It's pretty obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop trowing buzzwords around.

>>256025330

>Quake Live
>browser based

You're literally retarded.

>>256025056
Like I said, it really isn't noticeable until you play something better. It really doesn't matter as much because VQL is a slower, less demanding game. My point is it still falls short of a standard that a mod much older set. Which I think is unacceptable for a game with a steep payment model.
QL is still a superior game compared to most FPs games but that actually just makes me sad and reflects the times.

>>256024894
Wow what a crybaby

Looks like a faster halo.
Why should i be excited about it?

>>256025426
Quake live is browser based. It runs off a modified version of the quake 3 engine for plugins.

>we are going standalone
You should know that by standalone they meant they were releasing their own custom browser that launches the game. Its still the exact same. Which always existed as quake live prism anyway, so by that definition quake live has been a standalone browser game for years. But that anon is right, the modifications they made to port it to plugins really causes issues for the game.

>>256025426
>Every element of the QUAKE LIVE experience, from finding and playing games to post match stats review and social networking are delivered through a single state-of-the-art website.

It's browser based.

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It was nice talking about quake with you guys but I'm away out for lunch now.

>>256024894
>I'd love for quake live to be good but the player base is knows so little about their game that's its impossible to discuss with them.

id say most of the people that really know quake are in their 30s and getting on with life

>>256026357
No they aren't, they're trying to remake it to get their younger days back.

>>256026470
short of a miracle its not going to happen the chance of a good Quake coming out again with ID a shadow of its former self is low to nonexistant , this terribly named game looks derivative in the extreme and there is a new Unreal in the pipeline to compete with it anyway.

>>256026849
The game I was talking about is Reflex, it's being made by a team of Quake/Unreal pros and the people who made CPM.

The only problem is their afraid of Zenimax coming after them claiming the game is too much like Quake. If Carmack was still there, he wouldn't care about people improving his code, he'd probably help fund it.

>>256023708
CSGO is ran by an incredibly large company and has a forced hyper-competitive queue structure while making at least partial attempts at harking back to the older competitive scene.
CSGO has also been put on sale a ton of times and has been sold at sub-$5.
Not to mention it had heavy competitive support from the very get-go.

toxikk has no name behind it, I've never even heard of the studio working on the title, it's selling at $15 and it's not going to have f2p to get players interested.
These kind of games do not last or do well unless they can either front a ton of cash for tournament support or get an immensely large player base behind it from the start.

>>255998163

Why do people keep complaining about the name? I don't get it. What's wrong with it?

>>256028503
This game doesn't look "toxic" at all and the 2 Ks make it look ridiculous.

>>256028503
It sounds like something a twelve year old would come up for his sick online handle.

>>256028624

This doesn't make any sense.

>>256028703

Sure, it sounds a bit on the edgy side. But is it really a big deal?

>>256013480
But anon, zero always comes back to one, unless you destroy zero.

T-Thanks Big Boss.

>>256029168
>But is it really a big deal?

first impressions do count even just a little when a game/studio has 0 reputation in the field they are breaking into

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>>256001460
you realize those moba playing fagots will bitch about being out-skilled and get shit dumbed down to cod levels.

>>256002325
>the TRUE saviour of arena fps comes around in the form of UT4
lel, enjoy your single official map and paying $0.99 for "community made" maps.

>>256031487
>lel, enjoy your single official map and paying $0.99 for "community made" maps.

id pay a dollar or 2 for maps made by Vondur or CZG, Kell etc, many fan maps in Quake1,2,3 Ut99,2k4 were far superior to most if not all of the base sets.

its a good idea

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>>256012374
>DooM
they're releasing that for consoles, do you honestly think it is going to compare an actual arena shooter
>QL
old as the hills, anyone that would want in on it is in on it
>Warsow
see QL, plus this game is fucking dead
>UT4
I'm cautious about the way they plan on handling custom content, but other than that it's fine
>Toxikk
UT2k4 with a new coat of paint

Strike Vector > all if it wasn't stillborn

>>255998163
>Sounds like simple fun.
Sounds like simple advertising.

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>>256016171
>just copypasting UT2004 with new graphics

>>256032205
>Strike Vector

tried it , has a respectable skill curve and nobody playing ~ I personally would have preferred a "vector mode" shooter over its current format, shame the game is dead (was dead the last time i looked)

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>>256016905
>Ask that to someone who played Unreal and you would've gotten Tribes.
You realize Tribes 2 came out way before UT2K3? As far as Tribes goes it's got the most depth in the series. don't you bring up ascend m8 i swer il fukkin deck ya.

>>256033130
[vgtg]

>>256032825
I personally like the flight mode swapping, it allows some really agile movements in cramped spaces. I really wish they had a dedicated button for fast-rolling/side-dashing double tapping is never a good idea for controls like that.

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>>256033857
anon, please, I just want to forget those days
the only improvement T:A had was smooth skiing, but I really liked the original voice acting and character models before they ruined the game.

>>256032652
UT99>UT2004

>>256034561
Quake > UT99

>>256034689
Well obviously, I'm just stating that UT99 is better than 2004. Vehicles were completely unnecessary.

>>255998163
Looks like a more boring Planetside 2.

>>256024894
CPM and vanilla QL are 2 different things. Claiming superiority over one is pointless since both are based on different styles.

CPM is more fast paced, aim oriented with a lot of focus on movement, vanilla is slower with more emphasis on tactics, strategy and well timed fights. Some people prefer fast fragging, some people prefer a slower tension built standoff before the first frag.

You can drop someone like rapha into CPM and hal_9000 or nzro would destroy him but put the latter into a VQL setting and rapha would easily outplay them so you can't really compare them.

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>>255998676
>>255998163
I'm starting to think this is actually being shilled, and that MUH SKILLED ARENA FPS fags directly from /v/ are the target audience.

Like, I like the look of the game, but its promotional material and these threads look to me like there's a dev somewhere who browses /v/ part-time and decided he'd take everything /v/ hates in FPS and build a NO-game around it, and then shill it here.

>>256000864
I got it. Frogger. I'm here, cunt.

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>>256001569
AHHHHHHH I GET IT
TOXIKK
>TOXIKK
>KK
>Number of Ks: 2
>2k
>UT2K
WOOOOOOOOOWWWW
So that's why they chose le edgy name, surely

>>256036331
they are going to have to work harder than this to get any interest out of /v/ everyone here is jaded .

>>256020402
I don't want to think good or bad of it before I know more, but gotta correct you here
>Halo
You can carry 9 weapons at once anon and there are no character-innate grenades, plus no regenerating health, thus not 2 of the major Halo features
>Powerups being the same as CoD perks
Powerups are on the map and you don't get to use them until you pick them up, also generally they stack and you lose them on death; perks are innate in your playing character and you can't have two opposite simultaneously

You really can't be this misinformed.

>>255998163
Stop trying to shill this shitty game

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>>255998163
>The biggest selling point of this pile of shit is you have to play for it is you have to pay for it.
Holy fucking shit the jewery is high in this one.

>>256038232
Paywall keeps out 12ies and BRs. It's stupid but sadly it is a draw for me.

>>256038553
Nice try marketer, i cant wait for this casual shit to die.

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>>256038759
Imagine a world where everyone who shitposted about a game was called a marketer.
I'm this guy >>256036331, I do think they might be shilling the game here but I still like the look of it and automatically assuming anyone who talks about a game is a marketer is a great way to kill a videogames imageboard.
Having to pay money is generally what you do in videogames anyway, and we all saw what happened with TF2 when it went F2P.

>>256039115
>Oh gee whizz my favorite part about this game is i have to pay for it, yes that sure is swell, lets give all of our money too these guys.
Yeah sure, not a marketer.

these guys picked a bad time to clone Ut2k4 with the next actual UT being worked on right now, and then charge for it . A paywall may keep the kiddies out but true arena style gameplay pushes casual & low skill players out anyway, dont get me wrong i dont want these guys to fail but they have some stiff competition ahead and only a modest sized audience to sell it too.

>>255998163
Why should I play it instead of Warsow or Quake Live? Why do we need another arena shooter?

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>>256039484
>but true arena style gameplay pushes casual & low skill players out anyway
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>256039484
>but they have some stiff competition ahead
I think this is a good thing. This has vehicles though which won't be in the stock UT.

>>256039424
I don't want to pay money obviously, but in games where I have before like TF2 where it went free-to-shit and full of kiddies like yourself.
This isn't me saying "yay I'm paying money", I buy the game and don't have to worry about it becoming F2P later on.

>>255998163
I got the Nexuiz vibe from this. It will be shit, arena FPS is dead because it didn't evolved as well as the other FPS games. Arena FPS will revive the day someone can modernize the genre just like COD4 did for console fps.
Trying to rehash the past, pasting shiny graphics and modern games elements on it will only leads to failure.

>>256039542
There's a reason these games have tiny communities.

>>256002658
What a mess.

>>256039891
Liam? Is that you?

>>256039760
Ok, how Toxikk developers are going to avoid this?

>>255999479
>laggy

There's nothing laggy about it.

>>256040251
It's faggy though.

>>256003724
It looks pretty much exactly like UT2k4. I'm not sure why people assume vehicles are gonna be in every map.

>>256040180
lel
now post the original

>Another fucking arena shooter
WHAT THE EVERLOVING FUCK IS GOING ON
Did anyone suddenly decide to revive the arena shooter genre?

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>>256040180
This is what you did to me /v/

>>256039636
I played Quake live since it launched for a solid year or so, there were very few clueless players those that were either sharpened up or uninstalled, this was the case back in TFC , Rocket arena , QTF, Unreal 2k4 and as far back as Quake 1 . these games are not friendly to low investment players and they will go elsewhere for entertainment, part of the reason for their demise as a genre

>>256041064
lolno fps games especially "arena" fps games have always been what casuals play since they require very little skill and its easy to play.

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>>256041705
>have always been what casuals play since they require very little skill and its easy to play.

2/10

>>256042092
>Responding to such lazy shitposting
Anon pls
I know you're better than this

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>>256041705
>nuh uh!

>>256042092
Underage detected

>>256042347
your radar needs work, and so does Toxikk if it wants to get an audience.

With some marketing it looks like it could be a nice gateway to introduce players to the rest of a genre which often has a learning curve far too steep for modern gamers.

>>256020441
That's what an Alpha is. A game with all the systems completed and in place, ready to be debugged and tested in its completed state. Beta is when you get mostly everything fixed, but are still looking for major overlooked bugs, and other minor ones.

>>256017993
But bullestorm was really good.

>>256032205
Strike vector is a great concept but the Devs are retarded.

>arbitrary slider for mouse sensitivity

Literally can't set my sens correctly and if I remember correctly the console is disabled.

Also
>unreal engine

>>256020441
alpha is code complete
beta is content complete

this video is clearly a vertical slice, showing what theyve got and nothing more. it is entirely believable that this game is not code-complete.

>>256039424
Do you really not see what people are getting at or are you just deliberately feigning retarded?

>>256026849
Reflex.

>>256035240
CPM isn't aim based at all. You have it backwards, its more about control and movement. Aim isn't a huge deal, just look at players like Hal, Memphis and santile. They aren't the strongest aimers by a long shot and yet they are top ten in the world.

You can't compare CPM and VQL by comparing pros, that's just silly and "my dad is better than your dad" syndrome. However I can compare them based on skill ceiling, business model, features and balance and CPM just comes out on top. Its the more rewarding, in depth game. VQL and VQ3 are solved games. I'd love to see someone like rapha play CPM but he's a professional player who is motivated my money. Unlikely we'll ever see those show matches but I'd certainly watch them

>>256035240
And its a misconception that in CPM mind games, strategy and tactics aren't happening. Yes it isn't inherently obvious to a spectator, but ask any decent player like Ska for instance and he could walk you through a ten minute duel frame to frame explaining exactly what he was thinking, why he was doing what he was doing and everything else.

VQL is just slower. Nothing more is happening except more hitscan and locked fights where players can't switch weapon because they lose damage output if they do.

>>255998163
Faith in humanity: restored

I wish body duplication were a thing so we could have 100 John Carmacks working on different games and projects, for different companies at the same time. Also 100 Kojimas so he can make all the other games he wants to make that aren't Metal Gear.

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>>256027146
I don't think you can get sued for making a game too similar to another. Game mechanics are not patented. If they could patent that, no new games would be coming out.

>forgets about all the copycat games nowadays, ESPECIALLY shooters and MOBAS.

>>256040512
You do know that everything in the world goes through repeating phases, right? See fashion for the primest example.

>>256019276
TF2, Dota 2, PoE
:^)