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Friend of the PM dev here.

The following characters are going to be in the final version of Project M:

>Skull Kid
>Lyn
>Isaac
>Ridley
>An Extremely buffed Pichu

Proof: Skull Kid will be announced at the end of the Turbo Mode Contest video that will go up soon. Why they're announcing the character before Smash 4 is out? Because Skull Kid is already deconfirmed.

Ask me anything.
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this is like gematsu fags but even worse. no one cares.
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>>255967208

Why are they still going? No one will care when Smash 4 gets released.
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Project M is awful.
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>>255967321
People will still play it because they would rather play a game similar to melee than Smash 4. Plus they probably already have Wii's.
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>>255967321
Because it's unfinished, and you wouldn't want to drop development of something even if only a minority will play it.

It's a bit of a gamble too, there's a chance it'll remain popular.

And by the time it's finished, smash U will be modifiable and they'll make PM: U

>>255967387
Saying PM is shit is like saying Smash 4 is shit. It's an unfinished game, and the only thing anyone has played is the demo.
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>>255967292
Worst girl
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>People so desperate to stand out from the flood of Smash 4 leakers they have to pretend to be a PM leaker.

Next we'll be getting swarms of leakers who claim to be leaking info on Smash Flash 2.
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>>255967553
>It's an unfinished game
*unfinished mod
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>>255967321
No one cares about a mod for an extremely popular game that everyone can get for their Wii and that can be emulated on any decent computer?
Sure buddy.

>>255967387
Since PM is an attempt at Melee's gameplay with Brawl's content, I assume that in your opinion, all Smash games are shit. In that case, what are you doing here?
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>>255967208
When is this video going up? Will we get footage or just someone saying that they're working on Skull Kid?
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>>255967208
>>255967553
Is there an easy way to add custom music to a project M rom and still be able to play online against people with dolphin?

Or does everyone need the exact same thing i use
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>>255967847
No. PM is shit. I love brawl(even competitively), melee and 64. PM is is just fucking bad on all levels.
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>>255968026
>brawl(even competitively)
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>>255968026
>X is bad
>no reason why
And that is why your opinion is shit.
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>>255967847
>Since PM is an attempt
Exactly. It's an attempt by a bunch of amateurs. It's broken as shit which is quite ironic considering it was made in response to the balance issues of Brawl.
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>>255967553
They've dropped Demo from the title. I think PM is very good, but it should be considered a finished mod. A released game that gets updates is still a finished game.
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I am a PM dev. I can confirm this is false and shit
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I am a PM dev and i can confirm that PM is a piece of shit
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>>255968164
Broken as shit? The balance for characters is great. The level of good match ups you can find is out of this world.
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>>255968097
Easy game and lets shitties scrape wins sometimes vs actual good players. Theres a reason why every single tournament winning project M player says the game is shit and janky. Even brawl tournament players convince themselves the game is good. Project M is the only one where the top players talk shit about it constantly.
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>>255968278
>>255967208
All these devs that can't answer a simple technical question on a game they work on
>>255967917
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>STILL
>NO
>WALUIGI
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>>255968164
But they are gods among developers and a three million times better than the impostor Samurai.
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I'm pretty sure you're completely full of shit. the PMBR does a shit fuck load of work, and they're not doing nearly enough to create a whole new character. they were able to bring mewtwo and roy back because they were already established. creating a whole new character would be an absurd amount of work, let alone the 4 that you mentioned.
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>>255967208
Why are you guys such over-zealous faggots? no this is a serious question.
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>>255968558
Because fuck Sakurai for removing wavedashing!
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>>255967832
It's an overhaul mod, which I usually consider games. The only exception is with the STALKER games, so I apologize.

>>255967847
An attempt is not the same as doing. Project M is very different from melee and is constantly criticized for that.

>>255967916
It depends on whether or not the replay files submitted are easy to organize or not. It should be up next tuesday, or the tuesday after that.

>>255967917
Music doesn't desync anything online, so you should be able to use custom music.

I recommend using the BrawlStageManager or BrawlMusicManager for easy .brstm imports.

>>255968164
>>255968434
I don't fully understand what you're criticizing, since I mainly disagree. I'm sorry.

>>255968558
We aren't, the fans are.
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>>255968558
M-MUH MELEE
I HATE CHANGE WAAH

its funny because PM faggots are completely shit at playing melee, they stick to their press a to combo babby mode mod
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>>255968642
Welp i believe now
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>>255968642
When will you issue the Jihad against Sakurai and Nintendo, and proclaim the true and honest Caliphate?
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>>255967917
>>255968508
Music causes desyncs.
Textures do as well.

Not always, but they do. I'd suggest not using them
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>>255967321
>implying anyone will care about Brawl 2: At Least Tripping is gone

>>255967387
Best Smash entry in the series.
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>>255968642
Armada/zero/emukiller all agree with him.
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>>255968642
When is Pichu coming I'm dying to main that fucker
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>Pichu
Oh Christ if only, I've wanted to torture myself playing that little bastard for ages.
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>>255968763

the thing that you must not understand is brawl wasn't a "change" really, it was a complete downgrade. they took out many movement options and made hitstun worthless and everyone's so floaty there's no way to combo. toon link and diddy are so good in brawl because they're able to just stall the whole game until their opponent just gets bored and goes to Taco Bell
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>>255968763
>Project M removes Brawl's input buffering
>"baby mode mod"
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>>255968789
Never.

>>255968825
Don't insult Smash 4 when all you've played is a demo.

>>255968826
I'm not very technical, so I don't know what he was talking about. I do know that the devs are trying to make their game better based off of M2K/Zero/Emu's criticism.

>>255968862
December.
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>>255968961
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>people are still mad about Project : M

Did a Fox player rape you when you were young?
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>>255968558
Please review the thread and see who came to shit it up.
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>>255968558
They have some strange misguided victim complex with Sakurai. They think Sakurai hates the competitive scene and is out to get them, even though Sakurai thinks Melee is his best game. They're autistic tourneyfags who don't understand that Sakurai is a game developer, and therefore wants to make new games instead of rehashing the same shit over and over.
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>>255969138

/v/ for some reason thinks it's okay to be a casual at Smash but hardcore at every other game.

it's pretty weird.
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>>255969025
>Don't insult Smash 4 when all you've played is a demo.

If it's good you'll be damn sure I'll buy it but so far it's not looking too hopeful.
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>>255967292
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>Friend of

kek
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>>255969000
>Implying input buffering is a bad thing.
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>>255969232

Sakurai is very widely known as not being supportive of competitive smash. all of the design decisions for Brawl were to get rid of "competitive" techniques, and to let anyone be able to win.

you definitely know what you're talking about and aren't just some random dumbass.
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When will people accept that Melee's competitive potential was a happy accident and that that level of gameplay will never be in a future Smash game?
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That's nice and dandy, but what about balance changes? Please confirm that Mewtwo is nerfed hard and that Ivysaur is at least getting some redesigns.
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>>255967208
>Lyn

I am okay with this
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>>255969232
Sakurai envies them becuase the gook know they are a million times better than him.
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Reminder that in 2 months smash 3ds will be released and project M will be dead and forgotten
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>>255969294
what is this?
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>>255967208
http://strawpoll.me/2245245/
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>>255969232
I know I'll sound like a hypocrite here, but Smash 4's demo does feel like a rehash of brawl. I just hope that's not the case when it comes out.

>>255969401
How so? Also, there's the option to put it back on in the "rules" menu in Project M.

>>255969451
You don't know that.

>>255969474
Mewtwo will definitely be nerfed, but not too hard.
Olimar and Toon will be buffed heavily.
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>>255967208
Impossible. You mean to say they stopped with the best character? Ain't gonna let it get to me, I'm just gonna creep.
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>>255969401
Mashing buttons and having the game figure out what you meant only encourages sloppy play and is bad game design.
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>>255969515

why do people think this? that will only happen if smash 4 is good. if it's bad, the comp community will just bin it for the most part and go back to PM. there are a lot of PM tournaments, they won't drop it so easily.
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>>255969449
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>Not heavily nerfed Pichu
You had one job!
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>>255967208

Not if Nintendo shuts you down~~~
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>>255967208
>the (singular) PM dev
>no Sami when she was praised after the leak
>only 46 characters when the whole thing is #47

I can understand them cutting Knuckles because of the backlash but not Sami. 6/alright, try harder next time
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>>255968961
>brawl wasn't a "change" really, it was a complete downgrade
I'm guessing either you're underaged or English isn't your first language. You've completely contradicted yourself. A downgrade is still a change.
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>>255967783
Hello there. I'm a friend of the SSF2 dev team.

Luffy, Gohan, and Sailor Moon are going to be in the next version of the demo in 2019.
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>>255967208
When are you going to stop forcing this shitty mod on our board?
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>>255967553
>PM:U

OH GOD, I PLEASE DONT LET THAT HAPPEN, FUCKING PLEASE!
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>>255968826
Yeah M2K said this because he's a huge baby. He loses to a character once and they become OP (see Link and Ness). Now he's been losing so much it's not just the characters, it's the whole game. >Waah wah this game is made by people who suck at Melee and it's gimmicky!!!
I'm sure Sakurai is great at all the official games, right? M2K is literally autistic and I don't know why people listen to him.
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>>255967208
Fucking PAL version when?
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>>255969474
>Ivysaur needing a redesign

Do people think he's too strong or weak? Because in my circle of friends he's been doing real well.
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>>255969675
Project M was already mentioned on all the major sites, anon. I think it's safe at this point.
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>>255969760
It's not like they're going to hack into your Wii U and make you play it.
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>>255969554
A crime.
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Actual PM dev here, this guy is bullshit
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>>255969728

the post i replied to was using "change" as a synonym for "progression". try reading the whole thread before you reply, bud.
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>>255969595
I'm saying there's nothing wrong with input buffering. The issue is that all tournaments have it set to off.

>>255969606
Mashing buttons will net you poor results whether there's input buffering or not, so I don't really get what you're trying to say.
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>>255969239
I just posted the same thing yesterday. It's not just /v/, all my hardcore fighting game friends get really bent out of shape when I don't want to play Brawl like it's a fucking circus game.
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>>255969595
>You don't know that.

Brawl is proof positive that Sakurai is not a fan of Melee's complexity and goes against his vision of Smash being a party game.
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>>255967208

I believe it. The Turbo contest just ended, and I wouldn't put it past them to make some kind of announcement to build hype.
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>>255969881
>Posted on a website
>That means it's safe

I didn't know we had actual retards on the site
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>>255969595
>Olimar and Toon will be buffed heavily.
Do tell more about balance changes.
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>>255969675
>Finally, he talked about Project M. Before I go on here, you needn't worry: prog believes the Nintendo (at least the reps he spoke to, this isn't a company-wide policy) are not going to shut down PM. All prog said was that they are aware of it and are even intrigued by it. However, due to the legal implications involved with it Nintendo is not going to do anything about it. They are going to remain hands off and... "let it rock" so to speak.
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>>255967208
Oh look a PM Dev huh?
????????????????????????????????????????????????Got you.
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Sakurai here. OP is legit.
Also I am actually the guy behind P:M. The one working on Smash 4 is my double, and I'll be trying to get rid of him for years. Thankfully, soon, the Devil Gundam will be obliterated.
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>>255969937
I literally stated why input buffering is bad.

You should state why input buffering is good.
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>>255969784
He completely shut down too many characters.
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>>255970027
There's no way Nintendo doesn't know about it, so why haven't they done anything already?
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>>255970120

will ridley be in PM?
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>>255969738
kek
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>>255968026
>brawl(even competitively)
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>>255970069

If nintendo thinks it's getting to big for it's britches and would hurt sales you don't think they'd can it?
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>>255967208
>skull kid
not this one right?
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>>255969769
If you started playing Smash with Project M 3.0 you suck, no matter how many tournaments you win. You are only letting character knowledge carrying you, you do not have any real understanding of the game. If you are actually good, you should do well in Smash 4 as soon as it is released, which you will not, because you don't understand Smash Bros.
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>>255968826

Jesus Christ, what a fucking whiner. People only agree with him because of some weird e-celeb white knight complex.
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>>255970187
Nintendo acknowledged it and said they wouldn't touch it.
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>>255969597
>>255969714
They dropped Sami because she was never intended to begin with. The leak was mostly correct except for Sami and we only dropped knuckles. Sami's model is made by someone on the team but not for Project M purposes.

>>255969661
Nobody wants a wasted slot, and normally fighting game devs don't have a limited number of slots, but the PM devs do.

>>255969675
If it hasn't been done by now it never will be.

>>255969714
#47 refers to skull kid.

>>255969758
Only warchamp does that, and even then it's mostly fans.

>>255969760
There's nothing wrong with that.

>>255969770
They're working on it, but heavily procrastinating in favor of balancing and fixing NTSC. Just mod your wii.

>>255970059
Squirtle will be slightly nerfed, and we're fixing Mario's cape.

>>255970215
Duh.
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>>255967553
PM:U? Did they say they wanted to do that? That'd be cool and hell all the Brawl vets balancing would already be done.
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>>255969025
>I do know that the devs are trying to make their game better based off of M2K/Zero/Emu's criticism.
Don't. It's fine. You've crafted a game that has a high level of play that's more accessible than Melee's, while still encouraging aggressive tactics over camping. It doesn't have to be a 1-to-1 Melee with more characters. It just needs what made Melee work, and it has that.
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>>255969769
every single top level project M player agrees with him completely. he's not an outlier. the only people who seem to think PM is greatly balanced are no name shitties who play casually. The game is a mess.
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>>255967208
all these people saying
>no one cares
100,000 of downloads of the mod and views on there youtube videos
people making these threads and posting about how they care
>no one cares
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http://clashtournaments.com/project-m-3-02-preliminary-tier-list/

How accurate would you say this is, /v/?
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>>255970191
The bird version will
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>>255969401
Holy shit kill yourself you underage little shit.
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>>255969928
>the post i replied to was using "change" as a synonym for "progression"
There's absolutely no indication of that. That's completely your own interpretation.
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>>255970120
You mean Smash 4 is the way it is WITH THE HELP OF KYOJIIIIIIIII!
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>>255969769
Remind of that stream with scarflard.
>Pit is OP! Not because you beat me with him, but because you AND Armada beat me with him!
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So Project M is made by autists for autists to satiate their autistic hunger, right?
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>>255970256

M2K is just mad because characters like Pit are broken as fuck in PM and Melee mainstays like shiek and marth are pretty bad, even fox is not as good in PM.
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>>255970264
i shouldn't have to go to farther lengths to play a mod of a game than americans
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>We don't want melee 2.0
>Makes melee 2.0

Mixed messages here.
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>>255969401
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>>255970431
I thought Fox was a pretty strong character in P:M
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>>255970362

They're right about some things, but Fox being at the top of the top is laughable.
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>OUR FANFICTION HAS NEW CHARACTERS!


honestly do people really care? Go ahead and shitpost about how many "fans" PM has, none of them legitimately care about the game
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>>255970362
Besides Toon Link and Olimar being at the bottom, there's a lot of room for argument. Mewtwo and Ivysaur are by far the best characters right now.
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>>255970206
I don't think Nintendo needs any more bad publicity.
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>>255970362
>Falco
>Top Tier

Nope. His recovery is horrendous in a game where every character and his mum can make it to the stage with great ease.
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>>255970362
>fox and falco sitting alone in top tier
Hilariously outdated. Isn't this the one from half a year ago?
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>most shilled mod on 4chan
How do I get paid for shilling a mod? Seems like easy money
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>>255970227
LOL!

>HARUMPH YOU'RE ONLY GOOD AT A GAME IF YOU'VE PLAYED IT AS LONG AS ME HERP DERP.
>PEOPLE WIN DOTA 2 TORNAMENTS FOR MILLIONS BUT I'M BETTER SINCE I PLAYED DOTA 1 WAY BEFORE THEM, THEY SUCK SINCE THEY RELY ON GIMMICKS
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>>255970561

That's probably the ONLY reason they don't can it is for the backlash, especially if they're adding new characters.
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>>255970267
Yes. It may not seem like it, but despite all the
>shilling for a free mod
posts, they do make money off donations and want to stay popular--and at the same time, they want to make improvements upon smash 4 so that they can have more characters to work with and bring back every veteran.

>>255970362
Nobody agrees with it.

>>255970432
It's made in the USA, what did you expect? I find it weird how they put a lot of effort into japanese release, though, especially since Japan cares less than EU.

>>255970598
You don't, you do it for about the same amount of money that janitors get on 4chan.

>>255970539
ok
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>>255970135
I already fucking said that mashing buttons will get you shit results with or without buffering. Your post implied that that mashing with buffering on will somehow magically make you do better.

The reason why I think buffering is a good idea is because it takes the focus off of frame perfect execution so you can focus more on your tactics and spacing and whatever other details you can think of. In that sense, it would make a game easier to get into at a competitive level while also potentially raising the top level of play.
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>>255970539
>fanfiction
That's a new one
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>>255970591

It's about four months old, and it shows.
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>>255967321
If Smash 4 is anything like Brawl then Project M will stay relevant.

Even if Smash 4 is good(which it probably wont be) the Melee scene is so strong now that I don't think people(besides casuals) will move on to it anyways.
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>>255970461
>anything faster than Brawl is Melee 2.0
>Melee had the ability for multiple characters to grab the same edge
>Melee had Diddy, Meta Knight, Ike, King Dedede, Solid Snake, Sonic, Wario
>Melee had Dracula's Castle or Saffron City
>Melee invented Smooth Landings (Z Canceling, later L cancelling)
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>>255970620
This doesn't work because every single person that wins PM doesn't even play it outside of tournaments and mainly play melee. Maybe project M players should quit nut hugging the game and get to practicing because it's absolutely pathetic when the tournament winners of your game constantly have to remind the people that interview them they don't play the game at all.
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>>255970264
How's Pichu gonna work? Is he still a clone or what?
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>>255968642
No, it's a mod. Sakurai and his team made 99% of the content in Project M.
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>>255967321
People still play melee. Hell, they play more melee than brawl. When 4 comes out, the craze will die after 3~4 years because it's basically brawl 2.0 Still no ridley edition. This mod actually made brawl fun to play after you finish all the fucking challenges and shit.
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>>255970362
>http://clashtournaments.com/project-m-3-02-preliminary-tier-list/

too high:
>zelda
>meta knight
>marth
>ivysaur

too low
>game and watch
>ganon
>luigi
>mewtwo
>pit
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>>255969714
Project M can never get more than 46 characters. The clone engine works by replacing the unfinished characters in brawl, and there is only 7 of those. Brawl is limited to only 46 character slots, to add more, you need to use a different clone engine from what the Project M devs are using, which they will not use because it has many flaws that doesn't meet their standards. Project M will never get more than 46 characters.
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>>255970739
>Project Melee isn't a new version of melee
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>Main is Wolf

Am I a faggot /v/
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>all these people "not caring" yet still spamming the thread
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>>255970791
Sakurai is a hack who doesn┬┐trecognize the greatness of project M.
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when will there be a mod for brawl or anything that makes it play like smash 64
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>Shilling a mod
I hope you get paid well
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>>255969449
>Sakurai is very widely known as not being supportive of competitive smash
Of course. Which is why he claims that Melee is the "sharpest game in the series" and why he physically came to the E3 invitational.

I'll repeat myself:
>Sakurai is a game developer, and therefore wants to make new games instead of rehashing the same shit over and over.
Sakurai doesn't hate the competitive scene. He just wants to take the series in a different direction. Him not eternally pandering to you is not the same as him hating you.
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>>255968826
>they're good cuz of abusing stuff people aren't used to

So why would he play P:M at tournament level if he's not used to the game?
If someone played melee they could complain about "abusing stuff people aren't used to"
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>>255970730
>Even if Smash 4 is good(which it probably wont be) the Melee scene is so strong now that I don't think people(besides casuals) will move on to it anyways.

I was about to make a joke about Wii U sales but then I remembered the 3DS version will probably carry Nintendo and Smash 4 through this.

jesus christ, why did I buy a Wii U
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>>255970786
He's still a clone, but he's faster, and will be the lightest character in the game. In addition to that, his attacks will still be weak, but he'll have plenty of finishers that attempting with do a ton of damage on pichu, but the difference here is that all the damage that Pichu would normally take in melee is negated if he actually hits the opponent.
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>>255970918

is you name chillindude?
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>>255970798
>3~4 years

If MK8 is anything to judge by, Smash 4 will be forgotten 3-4 months after launch most likely after online ends up a laggy mess because everyone's hosting on fucking wifi.
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>>255970791
Exactly.
If the Project M devs are so great, why don't they make a game from the ground up?
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>>255970952
>Brawl modded to become 64 2.0

Would be cool
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Why can't these games just exist together? Holy crap. People can enjoy PM, Smash 4, etc without putting down another.
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>>255971052
because that would be a lot of work for no reason dummy
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>>255970980
Why wouldn't he? He wins 99% of them easily without any practice. Armada,Zero,m2k, win the majority of PM tournaments and constantly say the game is janky and awful.
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>>255970705
i just wanna play Project M, i can't fucking do it on my wii cus no shit seems to work
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>>255967208
>Friend of the PM dev here.
Of course you are.
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>>255970074
why dont you just die carlos
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>>255968826
lol What a giant faggot. Like does anyone actually like this literal autist?

>autistic and assholey in person
>jizzes on people's couch
>whines when he loses
>blames the game when he loses
>isn't even the best at the game yet acts like he it

Like even fucking Nintendo didn't acknowledge his dumbass with the invitational.
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>>255971031
But a lot of people are still playing MK8.
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>>255970264
Please tell me you guys have a Justin Bailey alt. for ZSS in the works.
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>>255970845
The clone engine was updated 3 months ago and the limit has now been increased to 999 characters. That's not a problem anymore but I doubt they'll go much higher.
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>>255971096
You must be new here.
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>>255970980

M2K is a certified autist. he later clarified what he meant on r/smashbros. this was just him venting cus PM is easier than melee
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>>255971028
No cause I'm not a fat mexican
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>>255971156

Didn't he get his ass kissed by amsa? I remember enjoying that for some reason.
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>>255971168
Not really.
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>>255970952
Never, because Brawl mods can't fully remake melee. I would recommend Brawl Minus though, it reminds me a bit of Smash 64.

>>255970970
I don't make any money.

>>255971052
Because they did and they failed.

>>255971126
Try Dolphin, or formatting your wii and trying a guide, step by step, from the beginning.

>>255971179
Unfortunately no, but instead we have a nude alt. I'm just kidding, we are.
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>>255971328
Yeah really.
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>>255967208

What's Issac like? Does he use Psynergy for his smash attacks?
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>>255970264
Okay, now I know that you're definitely a fake. Not only did you suggest that the PM crew will make a PM:U despite every PM developer strongly shooting that idea down when suggested, but you say that #47 related to Skull Kid. If that was true then why did PMBR members post several times in the Project M subreddit about it during CEO when it was just all star mode?

Also, Squirtle nerfs? There's no way in hell that that happens.
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>>255970782

>they don't practice
>get beaten by autist that have played the game it's based on for years

what
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>>255971324
>his ass kissed

I know what you mean but fucking kek
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>play project m off sd card
>fun as fuck
>today i try to play FD in vanilla brawl to compare w/ the sd card removed
>cannot read disc
uhh ok whatever
>play a game of project m
>cannot read disc after match over screen

god fucking damn it you tourneyfags
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>>255971125
Then why would he be complaining about people "abusing stuff people aren't used to" if he knows the game enough to win at tournaments?
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>>255971031
wut, people are still playing MK8 tho
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>he shills it for free
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>>255971021
So if his hits connect, he won't hurt himself? Is he made from an entirely new model or did they import it from Melee in anyway?
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>>255971334
>Try Dolphin, or formatting your wii
>formatting your wii
>formatting
>your wii

No way in hell you're a PM dev when you know less than the average soccer mom about computers.
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>>255971334
>Because they did and they failed.

I had no idea SuperBot Entertainment was the secret developer behind Project M.
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>>255971510

spoiler alert: he started hating on PM when he started losing PM tournaments.
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Why would Pichu be included and not Sami?
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>>255970705
Man that's great news. I'd love to see what they'd do with my future main Megaman.
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Just wanted to say I downloaded Project: M the other day after only playing Brawl casually for years and holy shit it's fun
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>>255971697
Pichu will not be added to pm
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Man I really wish that Nintendo would just C&D this thing. I have never seen such an insufferable fanbase in my life.
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>computer can't even run P:M correctly
>have an EU WiiU

I just want to die.
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>>255970782

I kind of wish Sethlon would step his game up. He's a good player but he can't manage to beat M2K or Zero.
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>>255971697
Because people never shut the fuck up in the character suggestion threads about Pichu.

That is, assuming this is legitimate. There were legitimate design documents as evidence last time.
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>>255971831
but prog said nintendo already said they wouldnt C&D
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>>255971936
Exactly. That's why I'm disappointed.
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>>255971708
Yeah, man. Advanced Tech fuckery aside, having momentum conservation again is a beautiful thing.
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>>255971708
Isn't it great to have so many levels?

I love having Fountain of Dreams back. And Mewtwo!
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>>255971421
I don't know, he's only in the concept stages.

>>255971481
The main developers are against that, but there are several that aren't.

>>255971614
Import for melee with a few added touches, like mewtwo and roy. And yes.

>>255971627
ok

>>255971631
Good joke.
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>>255971126
Did you make sure the files on the SD card aren't all contained in a folder?(some might still be in a folder and that's fine, but they all should not be in one big folder) You also need a 2 GB card for it to work for the hackless method
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>>255967783
does anyone even play that
jesus christ such an autistic fanbase
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>>255971789
Well, they did promise Pichu, like well back in 2010 or 2011. They said that if Dantarion managed to make the clone engine, he'd get to add Pichu and redesign him to his own liking.

Probably changed their mind about that by now, but they did at one point "announce" Pichu. But in the comments to the April fools video they deconfirmed him.
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>>255971916
But the votes had Pichu no where near the top. KRool and Dark Samus were higher.
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>>255971510
Because the game is legit bad.
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>>255970264
>Sami was easily the most well received character in the leaks
>Not making her
>The only good thing a lot of people had to say about Knuckles was 'at least it's not Pichu'
>Making Pichu

You stupid motherfuckers.
Also, Skullkid was only in very early planning and brainstorming on the pastebin that I saw. How far have they come?
Also, I don't believe you.
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>>255972253
Damn right, and for good reason. But still, all throughout the thread, nobody ever shut up about Pichu. On almost every page, Pichu Pichu Pichu.
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>>255972116
i have a 4 gigabyte card whats the difference why does it matter?
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>>255972029
Don't give up hope yet! If people keep being retarded about it after Smash 4 comes out, then maybe that C&D will come after all.
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>>255967208
>DefNotAShill
k
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>>255972043
That and the fact that you can do actual combos make the game fun to play and watch. I can't believe was used to have fun with brawl.

I still have a friend who prefers Brawl though, saying he likes the slower play style
He's the faggot that stays by the edge and spams projectiles though
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>>255972085

Oh. How long until Issac gets previewed? I'm sure there's no specific date, but is there a time scale at all (i.e. a few months to years+ from now?)?
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Hey, youve probably already been asked this a million times. Do you know whne these characters will be released? Also, Knuckles?
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>>255972029
It's already finished
what would a C&D do?
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>>255972442
Brawl doesn't have SDHC compatibility so it won't read cards bigger than 2gb.

I think you can use riivolution to force it to boot project M though.
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>Knuckles can climb, glide, punch, and dig
>People apparently thought Knuckles was a horrible choice because Sonic and
Knuckles share the spin dash?
>now this >>255972306 >>255970264

Someone please explain to me how Knuckles was a bad choice.
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>>255972306
We're making Pichu because we plan on taking her and making her an interesting and fun character to play, like with roy.

Like I said before, Sami was never intended and doesn't have a big enough move variety. We wouldn't know what to do.

Knuckles would have been slightly interesting but we knew nobody really wanted him, and that his moveset, despite unique, would be lacking and hard to work with.

>>255972638
A few months.

>>255972645
Knuckles dropped, and they'll be teased atleast two to three months before announcement.

>>255972659
It's not finished.
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its great how much more I know about P:M development than this supposed dev friend does. He's full of shit.
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>>255972442
It. Fucking. Matters. It will only work with 2GB ones. Better go grab one from gamestop for $3 where I got two of them. Now I can have PM and PM: Patt Edition. Also: delete everything else on the SD card. Follow the instructions to start PM exactly. That means all custom brawl stages must be deleted or moved to another SD card.
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>>255972847
Knuckles dropped? FUCKING WHY fucking drop pichu ITS LIKE YOU DON'T WANT PUMPKIN HILL
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>>255972659
More than you think. They can have the site stop hosting the files needed to play PM. They can crack down on streamers. They can pressure big events to not have it. Nintendo can't get rid of it themselves but they can limit its exposure to the point where no one will care about it anymore and it will die.
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>>255972847

Will you guys still make Issac if he's playable in Smash4 (fat chance.)? If he is, would you try to mimic his appearance there to keep it consistent if the two concepts are different or does the team just not give a fuk.
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>>255967208
What about that nigga Knuckles? did he get scrapped or something? Why PIchu??
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BY THE WAY YOU'VE ALL BEEN TRICKED
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>>255973248
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
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>>255973361
so surprises there fag, next time do some research. ok what's on next
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>>255973361
>implying that anyone fell for it

Argh, I am so mad.
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>>255973307
see
>>255972847
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>>255973361
>implying anyone believed you and people were just leading you on because they were bored as shit
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>>255973361
Thank fucking god. If Pichu got in Project M I'd be annoyed.
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>>255973361
Listen- that Pichu bullshit gave it away faster than your mom gave it away.
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>>255972847
>her
Stop that. Just say "it"
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>>255973720
>>255973548
>>255973519
>>255973737
>>255973745

Double tricked.

When the turbo mode contest video comes out, you'll see that I only lied about some things.

Like I said, my proof will be Skull Kid.
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>>255973885
Go away.
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>>255973885
i heard skull kid got dropped because they couldn't figure out a good move set for him.
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>>255973885
>implying you're not just butthurt because nobody believed you and now you're backpedalling your backpedalling
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>>255973885
any faggot with a brain knows they are going to announce skullkid. you're full of shit and don't know a thing about PMBR (you repeatedly showed how little you know by not knowing even the basics)
fuck off.
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>>255973885
Bullshit.
>>255970264 proves you're a total fraud. Sami was in the design documents that got leaked.
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>>255972847
Shame about Knuckles...

When do you think we will be able to play skull kid?
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>>255973885
>trying to fool people again with some half-assed excuse

I am just so angry. So very angry.
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>>255973885

>any average /v/irgin knows you're full of shit

PM:BR just can't keep their shit under wraps huh.
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>>255974298
BR?
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>>255974431
Backroom. Although if that was a joke, it's a 9/10.
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>>255973885

>implying you're not PMBR attempting to spread disinfo that will then be confirmed 'true' because you got one single thing that turned out to be right

You guys have pulled this shit before and DemonBoy posted proof.
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>play project M
>disc read errors for days

Nice mod faggots
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>>255971916
Honestly, these newcomers are pretty shitty. Especially Skull Kid. Smash 4's are so much better.
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It's not enough that we have leak threads daily, we have to have PM threads too?
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>>255975909
>And the ultimate ruse was finally exposed

...s-s-S-SUCKERS! Enjoy your wii repair. (Only $75 for a 2-week-long repair process!)
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>>255975909
I've had none of those. Are you sure it's not your Brawl disc?
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>>255976548
They fix it for free and it only takes one week.
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>>255976248
>Self insert avatar
>Fitness trainer avatar
>Hipster retro inserts you heard from a shirt at Hot Topic
>Post op Marth
>Edgy ninja frog for furries and the Naruto audience

Truly an amazing cast
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>>255976554
More likely, it's the Wii. Damn things are notorious for fucking up like that.
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>>255970264
Are you all working on getting subspace emmisarry to work in the mod or will single player still be limited?
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>>255977283
>not liking mac
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>>255977430
They said they had plans to fix singleplayer, but it would have to wait until they were done adding more content elsewhere. Once all the new characters are in, expect developments.

>>255977472
Literally who?
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>>255972847

>doesn't have enough move variety

That didn't stop them for making completely unique movesets for Fox and Captain Falcon when their respective games were both inside vehicles.
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>>255977613
No really man, what's wrong with Mac? Guy's hits like a baby bumblebee in the air, but like a gorilla taking steroids when he's on the ground. Plus he's fast and can go through projectiles.
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>>255967208
Post pics if true faggot.
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>>255967208
Why do so many of you idiots make threads like these? I wish the mods woudlt just sit around letting this shit happen.
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>>255977613
>Literally who?
The supreme memelord.
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>>255967208
>pandering to Ridleyfags
>>
dead mod general? dead mod general

>dat vocal minority
heh
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Daily reminder that if New Smash Announced a character, Project M cant use them.

So now I want Ridley to be confirmed so this fuck heads cant have him
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>>255978550
>Constantly updating.
>Large fanbase
>Dead
top kek
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>Skull Kid
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>>255978689
>large

What exactly do you consider to be large? 20~ anons on /v/?

vocal minority, just like tumblr feminazis
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>>255978472
He is the second most wanted character, though.
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>>255978635
Do not be so mad. Enjoy your waifu brawler, while I play Brawl the way it should have been.
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>>255978797
Ugh, that list is disgusting for so many reasons
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>>255978767
>734241 total downloads
toppest kek
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>>255978884
My Jedi Knight 2 mod has half a million downloads. JK2 confirmed for alive and competitive scene
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>>255969401
This is shitposting.
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>fan wank
>fan wank
>fan wank
>fan wank
>melee fan wank
I'm so glad this tryhard tourneyfag fanfiction shit is gonna be completely irrelevant by the time Smash 4 comes out.
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>>255968826
for once I actually agree with M2K. preach. PM is cool and infinitely better than Brawl, but I just can't believe people take an unfinished mod of brawl seriously enough to play it competitively instead of Melee. baffling
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>>255979005
Just like how Melee was irrelevant when Brawl came out amirite?
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>>255967208
Please tell him, that Ikes right/left-B attack does no damage and goes right through the opponents, which is quite useless.
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>>255979005
>Newcomers of any smash game.
>Not being fanwank
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>>255979005
The best part is PMfags truly don't think Smash 4's release is going to effect their scene at all.

Even PMfags are going to play Smash 4 and the retention rate will be high enough that many of them drop PM completely.
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>>255967208
>Issac

I fucking wish man
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>>255969294
.. this is uh.. just a fun little cosplay aha right? just cosplay!
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>>255978878
Nah, actually one of the better ones I've seen and slightly renews my faith in the Smash fan base. The only anomaly is Dark Samus making it that high.
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>>255979124
Are you fucking serious?

You press A or B again when an opponent is nearby, and he'll attack.

Also, it's god-tier for recovery and movement.
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>>255975909
On an actual wii or emulator?
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>>255967208
Lyn and Isaac are probably the only things that would keep me playing PM after Smash4 is out.
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>>255979009

The only reason I want to is because Roy is viable for once.
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ITT: a bunch of stream monsters that don't play PM chime in
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>>255979206
Isaac and Lyn are practically confirmed for Project M at this point, though. It's common knowledge.
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>>255979005
Smash Bros is fanwank incarnate
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>>255979183
But we already know that they play completely different, and will have different characters. Why not play both?
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Project M is more fun to play with friends then Brawl.

My friends and I aren't really that good at the game but we still have more fun with PM then Brawl.
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>>255977283
>fedora's mask pandering
>generic swordsman
>literally-who hipster bait you learned about on /v/
>ridley's ok
>pikachu but worse at literally everything

Truly an amazing cast.
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>>255979124
Ike's side-b works as follows:
* Hold A to make auto-attack when he swoops near someone
* Press B to make the attack come out manually during swooping (I think this can hit people earlier than the automatic one)
* Press jump while swooping to do anything
* Don't press buttons to swoop of ledge and die
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>Ridley

Top wew
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Actual friend of some PM debs. OP is full of shit, lol
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>>255978797
>Not flooding the smashboards and voting up a shitty character.

It would be like Gamefaqs character voting except it actually permanently affects a popular mod. How is /v/ not already doing this?
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>>255979571
Because /v/ likes getting mad at things.
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>>255979571
Because one is a brand new game. The sheer popularity of Smash 4 is going to drown any mods. It's the same for any big series that hasn't had a release in a while.
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>>255967208
Has this guy contacted you at all to put Waluigi in? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbUpa6-XZs
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>>255978797

>Redone Ganondorf and Black Shadow taking his old moveset
>S tier

If they actually do Pichu instead of this they are fucking kidding themselves.
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>>255979075
...are you implying it wasn't?
It's amazing that Melee's competitive scene is as strong and thriving as it is now. It was hanging on life support after Brawl's release. and then a couple years later, people (like myself) realized 'wait I'm just playing Brawl because it's the new version... and newer /=/ better' and moved back to Melee.
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>>255979726
The dev of that waluigi character has offered Project M devs to include waluigi but they refused.
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>>255979697
Yeah, just like how Brawl completely killed off Melee, right? Oh wait.
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>>255979345
My pal who told me about Roy and M2 well in advance has confirmed Isaac, Lyn, and Skullkid. I never heard him mention Ridley or Pichu but neither would surprise me.

>>255979183
You can't possibly speculate on the retention rate. If you've played the game at all, you've played an unfinished, barely not crashing demo. There have been zero non-corporate tourneys for Smash4 yet so we also don't know how big a competitive community it will have.
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>>255979624
>ridley's ok
Opinion discarded
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>>255979630
thanks
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>>255974743
>feelsbad.png
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>>255979832
even this tourneyfag knows that Brawl left Melee on life support for years >>255979805

>muh fanmod with all my favrits and pandering
Yeah, that won't get BTFO by one of the biggest releases for Nintendo in the near future.
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I just want Ganon's brawl Dair back.
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Where my gaymanwatch bros at?
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I'm not sure whether to believe DemonBoy's leak or this one. While this one has no evidence, it has Ridley. But it also has Pichu.
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>>255979670

Go fuck yourself luigi, we already know he's full of shit.
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so why is nintendo still allowing this mod steal SSB4 spotlight and fans?
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>>255979183

If you're a true Smash fan, you won't be buying Smash 4. The most relevant people have already played it and has said it's Brawl 2.0. Sakurai is a goddamn tyrant like Obama who will be taught not to make that mistake when there will be all that donation money going towards PM tournaments and none of that money going to Brawl 2.
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>>255980097
muh dick
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>>255979810
That really fucking sucks, he has a bunch of gameplay videos using Waluigi, and he looks good.
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>>255980187
Because people are still going to buy it.
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>>255980286
I actually played his unfinished build of waluigi and he plays like utter shit. Not fun at all.
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Yeah dev, I have a question.
Why those characters specifically?
What's so special about them?

If I wanted to (and I DON'T WANT TO), I could generalize that your team is powered by tears, since most of those besides the big guy have been deconfirmed for Smash 4. To a "hater", it comes off like you are trying to get back at Sakurai for not making your favorite characters playable.

But no, I'm going to be nice and honest, since I don't believe you guys to be angry contrarians.
So why those characters?
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>>255980097

Lot's of people have known about the new characters in P:M for a while now. This "leal" is a nice mix of fact and fiction.
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>>255980215
>If you're a true Smash fan, you won't be buying Smash 4

hahah oh wow, this is what melee/PMfags actually believe
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Pretty sure the P:M devs have already said they're not going to make a sort of P:M for 4.
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>>255980187
Because they're gonna leave SSB4 open like they left Brawl open and these guys are going to make Project M for SSB4, boosting sales.
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>>255980378

OP is full of shit.

But the PM debs said they won't be using any Smash 4 newcomers in PM, as to not step on Nintendos toes.
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>>255980187
>implying this shitty little mod is going to steal anything from Smash 4
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>>255980319

Listen here, fuckface, the important part of the community are not going to buy it. You will have casuals buy it, but they're not the important audience and money.
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>>255969515
Just like how everyone dropped Melee, right?
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>Smash leaks
heh
>Project M leaks
KEK
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>>255980389
WOW THAT LOOKS SO COOL AND MAKES ME WANT TO PLAY THIS NICHE MOD! IF ONLY I COULD GD CANCEL IN BRAAAAAAAAAAWL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD
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I'm not going to get my hopes up, but if they actually put in Skull Kid I'd lose my shit.
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>>255980378
They need characters that are both in the game in some way and can be clones of other characters, hence the somewhat unusual choices.
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Weren't they putting in Knuckles?
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>>255980215
>brawl sucks!
>plays a brawl mod
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>>255980215
>If you're a true Smash fan, you won't be buying Smash 4. The most relevant people have already played it and has said it's Brawl 2.0.
But Brawl was a good game and only the whiniest of tourneyfags say it's bad.
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>>255980090
What's good, nigga?

>mfw an opponent spawns above me in a Sudden Death Match
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>>255971191
>999 characters.
>~999 versions of Link being complete crap.

IT would be a disgrace if they didn't do this.
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>>255980669
They still are, don't lose faith anon.
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>>255980567
>the important part of the community
>the smallest niche of the community are not going to buy it

fix'd for you. seriously astonished that PMfags actually think they'll make a dent in sales, popularity, ect

next level delusion
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>>255980630

Nigga that ain't even PM.

Are you so casual that you can't even tell melee and brawl apart from the graphics alone?
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>>255980567
You sure about that? I didn't play Smash as a kid because of the amazing depth of the gameplay, I played Smash because it's a huge bundle of fanservice.
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>>255980685
Even my fucking grandfather could see that Brawl was worse than Melee. He said it was because it didn't have any soul put into it, but I think he meant the physics were ass.
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>>255980681
Yeah
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>>255980727

>Link
>Bad

God fucking help you if you aren't playing a character wit ha god tier approach game.

Boomerang, bombs, and arrows for days.
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>>255980215
>if you buy smash4 you are not a smashfan

this fucking blind fandom is why you are a virgin anon aurguing over if you are a TRUE fan or not cause someone bought a game that you think you won't like is really autistic you just need to kill yourself anon you are just as bad as those nerds that complain at phone games get a fucking life you faggot
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>>255980823
>Even my fucking grandfather could see that Brawl was worse than Melee. He said it was because it didn't have any soul put into it, but I think he meant the physics were ass.
Today on "Things that were never said in this or any universe".
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>>255980823
>my grandfather

literally what. what a weird made up story to post anon
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>>255967208
>Skull Kid
GET
FUCKING
HYPE

tell your friend to add a Majoras Mask Moon stage
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>>255980697
>Sudden Death in Project M
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>>255980941
They took out sudden death or something?
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>>255980928
Great Bay will probably return.
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>>255980898
Nice projecting
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>>255980907
>>255980913
I used to play games with my grandfather all the time. He was a big fan of Zelda and Metroid. He even bought me every Halo book because he thought the game was interesting.
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>>255980681

>Takes all the shit from Brawl away and makes it good

>>255980685

I'd like to see you come into any real tournament and say Brawl is good to any of our faces. You'll face will meet the ground and your ass will fly out the door.

>>255980736

Sakurai wouldn't have made his shit Invitational without us.

>>255980809

Yes I'm sure. You don't see casuals making tournaments, streaming and making better games now do you?

>>255980898

I'm a regular tournament goer. I do have a life.
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>>255980928
I wonder what they'll do for him. He didn't exactly do much on his own. What would he be based off of?
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>>255980697

>spawn above you
>in sudden death

u wot?
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>>255967208
Nobody cares tourneyfag, yiff in hell faggot
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>>255980941
>not playing 300%, one stock matches with a damage ratio of 2.0

>>255981060
Pirate Ship, nigga.
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>>255981051
>I'd like to see you come into any real tournament and say Brawl is good to any of our faces.
Why would I ever go to a Smash tournament? I have no interest in playing a tourney of it.

My point stands, only the whiniest of tourneyfags (you) say its bad.
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>>255981052

Magic. Ain't gotta explain shit.
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>>255981040
>PMfag reaches as hard as he can

I don't know why buddy, no one gives a shit about your anon anecdote
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>>255981130
>not playing 300%, one stock matches with a damage ratio of 2.0

What's the point when you can just play 1% stamina mode?
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>>255981148
Hmm. We'll just have to see.
It'll probably be more like "Majora (with Skull Kid)"
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>>255981220
Nowhere near as satisfying, mang.
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>>255980994
No, they just changed it a bit.

It's based on percentage now. If you have the same amount of stock/same score as well as the same percentage, then you'll go into sudden death.

You will rarely every go sudden death.
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>>255981220
You can't tech to survive a hit in stamina mode, also lasers
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>>255981147

Now you listen here, you fucking shit. I'm a veteran and a proud member of the Sons of Aesir Motorcycle Club. I'm not about to let some wisemouth talk shit about something he doesn't know a damn thing about.
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>>255981051
>I'd like to see you come into any real tournament and say Brawl is good to any of our faces. You'll face will meet the ground and your ass will fly out the door.

Haha oh wow, the delusion train continues down the track. I know you're retarded but you think you'd actually fight someone at a tournament? Over a difference of video game opinions at that
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>>255981154
He never saw Project M. Never bothered to show it to him. He was more interested in our Mass Effect playthrough at the time.
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>>255981220
Because it's cooler to see people fly
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>>255981317
That sounds stupid.
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>>255981414
Sudden Death is banned in tourneyplay anyways.
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>>255981340

Tournaments are a way of life. I'm not about to let some fuckface come in and ruin it. If you've actually been to any tournaments, you'd know there have been scuffles and occasional smashed controllers or consoles.
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>>255981414
Well fatty would have lost the Smash 4 tournament if sudden death was disabled.
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>>255981414
Sudden Death is stupid, especially with Brawl's massive ledge invincibility
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>>255981483
lmao, that's so cute
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>>255981483
>Tournaments are a way of life.
Anon I am literally autistic and that's pathetic.

>>255981537
Yea and fatty (and kirby dude) wouldn't have even made it to the finals if that was a "proper" tourney.
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>>255981483
Or, you know, you could just keep playing your game and ignore the person you don't even care about (supposedly)
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>>255981537
The tournament had items on and four players. I bet if it was a legit tournament, things would've been much different.
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ITT: Everyone replies to a reverse troll.
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>>255981483
*unsheathes masamune*
BACK THE FUCK OFF??
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>>255981051
>made a tournament
>with 4-player matches and items on

yeah sure it was for tourneyfags
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>>255981483
>Tournaments are a way of life

Also, how does one person ruin your whole event?

As far as scuffles go, that's just as likely at any FGC event. Niggers gonna chimp out eventually
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>>255981595

>An autist calling me pathetic when all he does is laze around stealing my hard-earned money with his welfare and plays Brawl like it's actually important

I hope you never breed. People like you aren't needed in the white gene pool.
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>>255981842
>>An autist calling me pathetic when all he does is laze around stealing my hard-earned money with his welfare and plays Brawl like it's actually important
Mate I WISH I got autism bux it'd make things a shit load easier for me.
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>>255981842
Don't you ever get tired? Can't you just play a game instead of shitposting?
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Let's settle the Melee vs. Brawl right now

Video of a Melee Competitive Match:

Yoshi vs. Fox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLdZm2uuLAA

Notice the speed, considerable hitstun that leads to combos, L-Cancelling, tech skill, and offensive gameplay that makes Melee superior to Brawl.

Brawl competitive match video:

Need I say anymore? Metaknight has remained the most broken character in the game since the game was released. There is no hitstun for combos (except for LOL METAKNIGHT, who hits fast for his combos), emphasis on defensive gameplay, floaty character physics, lack of techs for precise control and movement...and an emphasis on defensive gameplay that heavily punishes ANY offense (unless you are Metaknight).

It's pretty much waiting for your opponent to make a mistake and leave an opening rather than going on the offense and FORCING an opening. The commentators even say it at 4:35.

Brawl is an imbalanced casual piece of shit. Don't even bother rebutting what I just said if you don't watch the videos.
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>>255981759
Don't forget

>Two minute match
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>>255967208
Why should we care about "leaks" of a mod?
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>>255981483
This reminds me of that Skullgirls copypasta about /v/ not "having the hunger" for competition and that everyone should drive a thousand miles and make their own tournaments to keep the "scene alive"
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I enjoyed Project M, especially what they did to rework Sonic so he can actually kill things worth a damn.

I'll also be buying and likely enjoying Kerfluffle when it comes for the 3DS.
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>>255981963
>Let's settle the Melee vs. Brawl right now
Just use Strawpoll, it has been done 15 times already. Brawl never wins and never will win.
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>>255981963
derp, forgot link to Brawl Video

Melee Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLdZm2uuLAA

Notice the speed, considerable hitstun that leads to combos, L-Cancelling, tech skill, and offensive gameplay that makes Melee superior to Brawl.

Brawl Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmGKl84HYt0

Need I say anymore? Metaknight has remained the most broken character in the game since the game was released. There is no hitstun for combos (except for LOL METAKNIGHT, who hits fast for his combos), emphasis on defensive gameplay, floaty character physics, lack of techs for precise control and movement...and an emphasis on defensive gameplay that heavily punishes ANY offense (unless you are Metaknight).


It's pretty much waiting for your opponent to make a mistake and leave an opening rather than going on the offense and FORCING an opening. The commentators even say it at 4:35.

Brawl is an imbalanced casual piece of shit. Don't even bother rebutting what I just said if you don't watch the videos.
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>>255981963
Where's the brawl video?
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>>255981051
>>255981483
>I have a life
>tourneys are a way of life
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>>255980090
2nd best main, Ganon is my hometown nigga.
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>>255981958

You're right. This fighting in thread has made in the mood for fighting on the game. I'm off for a good beer (that I earned in Al-Faw) and kicking some ass.
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>>255982028
Sonic's looking pretty good. Seems like he's got more killing power, especially with his F Smash. That, and Coldsteel color with purple emerald wristbands.
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>>255982125
Good. If you're going to be angry, put it towards something you enjoy.
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>>255981958
While I agree that's dumb, I'm pretty sure Yoshi does really well against Marth. And to chip in on the P:M conversation, I don't like it, simply because combos are braindead on all the characters who received significant changes (read: all characters who were worse than C. Falcon in melee), and because recovery is easy as shit for many characters.
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>>255980215
>The most relevant people have already played it and has said it's Brawl 2.0
We haven't played anything past the E3 build. We haven't even seen the changes he made based on feedback.
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>>255982161
>having F smash enabled
Shit eater.
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>>255982314
Forward Smash.
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>>255982134
>implying this wasn't scripted as fuck
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>>255981958
It's because his fucking nose is too big. That wouldn't happen with another char.
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>>255982161
samus also looks good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LemQ-zUSw
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>>255982402
>scripted
>implying

>no sources
>no data back up

>merely blatant accusations with no thought considered

>merely almost shitposting because he doesn't believe in shit that is in front of his eyes

Not even him
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>>255971191
Source
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>>255982302

>feedback
>Doing anything

It's funny you think that Sakurai cares.

He doesn't care about the competitive community at all, infact he dislikes them because they don't play the game the way he envisioned it to be. He goes out of his way to make the games as easy and simple as possible after the mistake that was melee.

He will do nothing for the competitive scene because he doesn't care and he is stubborn. He hasn't tried to cater to them at all in Smash4. The only people have tried is Nintendo of America, because they want sales and to move Wii Us, which are still doing worse than predicted. So they do that by trying to create artificial hype, and by playing nice with the competitive community that will ultimately be ignored once Nintendo gets their money.
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>>255980104
Hey coast, hahaha
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>>255981483
>mfw I have aspergers and this is fucking retarded

>Dedicating your life to a VIDEOGAME
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff................... let's see what a useful member of society you are
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>>255982441
>0:13-0:14
>Little Mac IMMEDIATELY AIR DODGING WITHIN 0.2 SECONDS OF BEING HIT

NO HITSTUN CONFIRMED

SM4SH CONFIRMED FOR BRAWLSHIT 2.0
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>>255982101
Bowser vs MK was more entertaining then the Yoshi vs Fox.
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>>255982791
Oh? Tell us how.
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>>255981051
>I'd like to see you come into any real tournament and say Brawl is good to any of our faces.

>This nigga things I'm afraid

Oh yea "our faces", you probably are a fat ass that is one of the first people to loose and just cheer for your favorite tourneyfag.


So if WE are so AFRAID. Why don't you tell us YOUR toruneyname or whatever its called, so I (or anyone esle if they want to too) can go and say shit on your face.

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT :3
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>>255981051
>Sakurai wouldn't have made his shit Invitational without us.
>us

Did you invent smash tourneys? Where you one of the invitational participants? No? THEN STOP SAYING WE YOU USELESS PIECE OF SHIT.

Its like I say that because I'm part of 4chan, everything that has been done here I was also part off, which is false.
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>>255982651
>It's funny you think that Sakurai cares.
Which is why he went up to the dude he BTFO at E3 and asked him for feedback?
>He doesn't care about the competitive community at all
Again, then why did he take their feedback?

Every time before they even begin to play Smash 4, they constantly remind everyone that it's not finished and shit could change.
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>>255982895
Do you want a reason you'll find good?
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>>255983109
>Its like I say that because I'm part of 4chan, everything that has been done here I was also part off, which is false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU
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>>255983197
I want to hear a reason, because I honestly don't see how ANY Brawl match is better than a Melee match.
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>>255982791
Was just about to say this. Bowser dunking Metaknight twice was more enjoyable to watch then the Yoshi vs Fox match. Mainly cause I could tell what was going on.
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>>255983353
maybe because some people prefer brawl over melee, unlike you, anon.
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>>255983381
>mainly because I AM BLIND AND NEED THINGS SLOWED DOWN AND EXPLAINED TO ME
casual shit
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>>255983381

The bowser VS metaknight wasn't even the real match.

That was basically someone just beating up a 5 year old kid with down syndrome.
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>>255983353
I don't take it seriously I guess
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>>255979463
Sami really is cute.
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>>255983381
So Brawlfags simply lack the mental skill to comprehend the depth of a Melee match.

Okay, at least you admitted it.
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>>255982297

I'm mixed on it. I don't like a lot of the changes for certain characters. As improved as Ike is, something about him feels off. I really like the Roy changes though. He's a bit on the easy side to play on a basic level, but he feels really solid and what I always wanted from him in Melee.
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>>255968417
The game is too slow and is to floaty. As someone who frequently plays every smash bros game from 64 to minus to the smash 4 preview, melee is the one where I feel like I have the most control over my character. That said P:M lucas is loads of fun
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>>255983826
Roy is a pretty well-made character. He's got marth-like combos, but he falls faster and can't rely on meaty tippers. He's pretty solid. Ike on the other hand is kind of bad imo. His side b makes combo extensions way too easy.
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>>255983353
Honestly? I enjoy playing both, but when it comes to watching, its a different story.
I enjoy watching Brawl, Melee, and 64 match ups. However, when the Melee gameplay is sped up to the point I can barely make out what is happening, I get a confused feeling on what's going on. And when that happens, I just tune it out.

Its the same feeling I get when playing 4 players on a constantly moving stage, while everyone activated around 7 pokeballs and there are 7 pokemon doing things on the screen at the same time.
Many of my friends have stated the same thing. I also hate New Pork City because of how fucking big and is, and I can't see shit if the players are on the opposite ends of the stage. Everyone becomes too tiny.
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>Some folks don't care for Brawl and its faults
>Decide to do something about it
>create a fairly popular mod
>/v/ gets fucking butthurt as shit about it
You wouldn't see this for any other game when mods are involved. Is it because you guys think Nintendo and Sakurai can do no wrong? Is it your misguided hatred of competitive players?
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>>255983496
>>255983730
maybe because in brawl they play the actual game and not glitch the fuck out of it.
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>>255984072
Oh look! Another Brawlfag who can't comprehend gameplay depth.

It looks like that the only reason people like Brawl over Melee...is because they don't have the skill or mental capacity to enjoy depth in their games.
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>>255984106
Some people just don't like the fanbase. That, and a few design choices.
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>>255984106
>some folks don't care for Brawl
>decide to make a mod
>insist the mod is the only true way to play, everyone else is just a casual who bought into Sakurai
>/v/ tells autists that their fan mod is boring and pointless
>said autists flip shit and make it their sole duty to shitpost because muh mod muh tourney
>/v/ laughs at them

fix'd 4 u qt3.14
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>>255984220
>muh invented code of honor
Nothing wrong with glitches and exploits as long as they add to the gameplay rather than crashing the game or making it impossible to finish a match.
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>>255984220
A glitch is a part of the game. Never played Pokemon Red and Blue?

Never played Street Fighter?

Never played any game with glitches?

Also, what you probably call glitch, is not a glitch. Some of those actions even have proper animation.
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>>255984258
>the only way it's possible for someone to prefer Brawl over Melee is that they are stupid casuals

This ride never ends, but that's ok because it's been pretty fun watching this trainwreck
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>>255984303
>Somehow or another said "autists" use their magical mind-warping powers to force people that are fine with Brawl to play the game their way
Those fiends!

Stop shitposting, nobody is forcing anything, they post updates about the game for people who are interested. You're no better than the Karenfags on /vp/.
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>>255984453
>gobbling up bait
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>>255984471
PM fags are actively trying to turn /v/ and shitpost in Smash 4 threads with their dream characters and clearly "superior" knowledge of the game

>the only people that are true smash fans play PM and won't buy Smash 4!

dat delusion
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>>255984220
>Not glitch the fuck out of it

Wavedashing is not a glitch. It's simply what happens when you use your momentum from an airdodge close to the ground. Sakurai knew about it during development and left it in, not thinking it would be used in gameplay.

L-Cancelling was in Super Smash Bros. 64 and stayed in Melee. It was termed "Smooth Landing" on the SSB64 site, which meant it was intended to be in.

These are pretty much the ONLY "glitches" in Melee.

And get this! They're not even glitches!

So shut up.
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>>255984106
>Mario Party 3 is released
>It's different from Mario Party 2 in lots of ways
>Nobody complains
>Mario Kart Double Dash is released
>It plays differently from 64 in a lot of ways
>Nobody complains
>Super Smash Bros Brawl is released
>It plays differently from Melee in a lot of ways
>"WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS GAME PLAY SO DIFFERENTLY WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED! 0/10! DROPPED! THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!"

I do not understand these people.
THIS is how Nintendo has always been, different for the sake of different.
In fact, when people say Melee was a accident, that's basically exactly what they mean.
Sakurai took 64, made it faster, and added aspects he purposely didn't add into 64 in order to make Melee different.

Isn't Nintendo's entire business built around being different for the sake of being different?
>Nintendo DS
>Nintendo 3DS
>Wii
>Wii U
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>>255969294
What the fuk
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>>255984050

My problem with Ike is that he feels less powerful. Even though he's kind of mediocre in Brawl, I really enjoyed playing him. I get that he's not supposed to be the same in PM, and he really did deserve to be faster, but his hits generally don't have the same impact to them as before. His jab also feels hugely nerfed, but some people say it's still a good tool so I'm not sure.
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>>255984684

You can be different anon.

But that doesn't give you an excuse to be different and bad.
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>>255984684

>Melee is released
>It plays differently than 64
>People love it

:^)
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>>255984623
>muh conspiracy theories
Whatever.

>>255984684
And yet a lot of people prefer Double Dash to modern Mario Karts. And a lot of people prefer Melee to Brawl. What's wrong with people modding a game to make it more like what they enjoy? It's a fucking mod, they aren't forcing you to play it. What the fuck is your deal? Not all change is a good change.
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>>255984772
>if its different its bad!
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>>255984684
You know what would have been a good difference? Having more characters, having more balance between the characters, and having more stages and mechanics to build on top of the existing, deep gameplay Melee had.

You know what's the BAD kind of different? Taking away all that depth, making characters even more imbalanced, and adding things like TRIPPING that take away from the game.
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>>255984939


No. It's bad because it's bad.
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>>255984684
>Metroid: Other M is released
>It plays differently and people don't like what it has to offer
>SUCK IT UP AND PLAY IT FAGGOTS, YOU'RE SO AUTISTIC, NINTENDO HAS ALWAYS DONE THIS, GOD METROID FANS ARE THE WORST
This is how you sound.
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>>255984939
>If it's different it's good!
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>>255984772
>But that doesn't give you an excuse to be different and bad.

Actually, it does.
This problem seems to happen a lot when it comes to Nintendo's long running franchises:

>Super Mario 64 vs Super Mario Sunshine
>The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs A Link to the Past

Ultimately, no matter how much you don't like it, you liking Melee more the Brawl is just a opinion.
Same for people that like Sunshine over 64.
Or Ocarina of Time over Link to the Past.
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>>255985181
This. Personally I thought Pokemon X/Y was a step in the wrong direction so I don't play them very much. Some people fucking love X/Y.

I personally don't care for Megaman Starforce but I love Battle Network.

I'm not invalidating Starforce or X/Y, I'm saying a preference. And if Pokemon had a mod that allowed me to make adjustments and change up the balance so Pokemon I like such as Relicanth are more viable, then hell yeah I'm going to be interested.
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>>255985181

I can give you 3 reason as to why Brawl is a bad game from a game standpoint, that has noting to do with comparing it to melee at all.

1. 10 frames on input lag. This makes the game feel and control sluggish, and has literally no reason to exist.

2. Tripping. Tripping serves as a way to take control of the game away from a player at random. Nobody likes having control taken away from them, especially at random, and for no reason.

3. Some of the worst online netcode I have ever had the misfortune of having to play.
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>>255985590
>not mentioning the good aspects likes tons of characters & stages, huge story mode and 10/10 soundtrack

but sure whatever brawl is bad
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>>255984684
DD is complete shit though
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>>255985743

Too bad the game is broken at a fundamental level that only serves to make the game less fun for everyone playing it, by making it control like shit.
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>>255985743
poorly designed characters
poorly designed stages
poorly designed story mode
mediocre low quality soundtrack

Brawl has nothing but quantity on its side, which is why Brawlfags find PM's existence to be so troublesome
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>>255985743
>He says he'll give you three reasons why it's a bad game
>He doesn't say he's going to give reasons why it's good
>BAWWWW WHY AREN'T YOU SAYING WHY IT'S GOOD
You're a fucking retard, bro.

Also if you want more reasons, how about Subspace Emissary? Or the lack of speed or momentum? Or everyone being filled with helium?
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>>255985590
I disagree on the input lag. I believe its there so you have to be smart in your attacks, otherwise you get punished for being stupid and carelessly attacking. And I believe that's how Smash should be, a game where you get punished for being reckless.

I do agree with tripping and the bad netcode. Honestly, Brawl should have never been a online game.
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>>255985976
>mediocre sound track
There are a great many bad things you can say about Brawl, but holy fuck do not ever insinuate that it did a poor job with music.
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>>255986113
>I disagree on the input lag. I believe its there so you have to be smart in your attacks,

The input lag does not create the scenario you think it does.

All it does it make everything you do mot happen when you press the button, there is a delay. You can have 0 input lag and create the scenario you want by having the attacks your character perform have more ending lag.

That way the game plays smoothly and just throwing out attacks is punishable.
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>BRAWL SUX LEL
>YOU'RE ONLY A SMASH FAN IF YOU WORSHIP MUH TECHNIQUES IN MUHLEE
>WE DESERVE 1,000 TECHNIQUES IN SMASH 4 OR IT TEH SUX!
>SMASH 4 WILL SUX!
>ITS NOT LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO BUY SMASH ARE CASUAL WHO WANT EASY FUN GAMES
>B-BUT MUHLEE IS FOR CASUALS AND HARDC0R3Z!
>implying that casuals like falling like a fucking brick off a ledge
>casuals can't even recover as is
>'NITENDO SHUD PANDER 2 US!' mentality


Seriously fuck Melee/PMfags.
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>>255986113
how can you hate bad netcode but be ok with input lag. bad netcode causes input lag.
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>>255986189
They took title tracks from all the involved franchises, mashed them onto stages they didn't fit into, with terrible recording quality even though there was ample space on the disc

The only good thing that can be said for Brawl's soundtrack is that it has quantity, just like everything else in Brawl
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>>255986446
Capslock, spelling errors, and exaggerations, bravo.

Also, don't forget that horrid stage creator. In my personal opinion, right after SSE, the stage creator was the biggest disappointment.
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>>255985590

Isn't it a 10 frame input buffer and not input lag? There is 0-2 frames of random input lag though, which is awful.
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>>255986446
And in one post, you have made yourself look like a far larger faggot than the people you are bitching about.
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>>255986446
I seem to recall casuals enjoying Melee.
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>>255977283
I like PM but you can't tell me that half of those nostalgia pandering and literally who the fuck are they characters are really better than Pacman, Palutena (inb4 hses a waifu, that doesn't matter shit because she's actually a NEW and diverse looking character), Villager who actually looks worth playing, megaman (who btw if that's your hipster retro insert you're a faggot nigger with no taste)

Characters you guys are supposedly adding.

Two more fucking sword users.

I'm going to listen to my better judgement and say you're not an actual PM dev because I don't need more reasons to drop PM. Don't act all fucking high and mighty.
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>>255986630
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>>255977613
>literally who

That's not even funny on a base level. Don't be a shitlord. You're here convincing us to play a MOD of an old game over a new much more polished game.
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>>255986764
My only complaint with Palutena is that Sakurai is giving her all of her KI:U powers that Pit can get in Multiplayer instead of giving her the moveset she actually had in her fight in KI:U, which was based on defensive techniques, keepaway, and status effects. It just looks kind of weird with her shooting black holes and stuff.
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>there are people seriously this assmad over a mod of a video game
Its like bitching about Oblivion/Skyrim mods fixing everything broken about those games because it's not Todd Howard's vision.

And if the fanbase puts you off that much, just don't fucking acknowledge them. No one's forcing you to play with these people.
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>>255986454
I thought you meant offline lag. Yeah, lag online sucks.
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>>255987024
>shitlord
gb2tumblr
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>>255986446
Nice way of making you look like a fucking fool.
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>>255987024
>over a new much more polished game.
>more polished game.
kek
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>>255987024
Get the fuck out. Nobody is here to convince anyone of anything.
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>>255984471
>>255984471
>>255984471
>>255984471


All Brawlfags and sympathizers, look to this post to find out why you're wrong
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>>255987024
>more polished game
>SSB4
I believe you are in the wrong thread.
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>>255987303
As the person who made that post, I implore you to stop making things worse.
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>>255987024
Project M is a mod of Brawl, dear.
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>>255981051
>I'd like to see you come into any real tournament and say Brawl is good to any of our faces. You'll face will meet the ground and your ass will fly out the door.

Just leave before you say anything more retarded than that.
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>>255982101
>>255982101
>>255982101
To all the Brawlfags and sympathizers in this thread, look no further than this post and the videos of Melee and Brawl compared to find out why you are already wrong.
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When Project M close to finish, Nintendo will slap a C&D with extra salt.
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Attention Brawl 2.0fags: Let it be known that if I catch you actually waiting in line to buy Brawl 2, then there will be consequences.
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>>255969294
Is that who she's based off?
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>>255988176
That flag is so false that Sakurai made a trophy of it for a Direct.
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>>255988375

>Anyone I don't agree with is a false flag

Just you wait.
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>>255988536
Mmmm, going to punish my poo casual ass, aren't you big boy~
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>that feel when you actually know an M developer
>that feel when you've actually seen a whole shitload of unreleased stuff

I want to post proof to prove OP wrong but I don't wanna rat the guys out
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>>255987672
I don't think there is anything more retarded than someone telling someone else to leave...when the post he replied to is over an hour old.
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>>255967208
>An Extremely buffed Pichu
>not Plusle & Minun

Pichu Climbers>Buffed Pichu
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>>255981283
he could be like Zelda/Sheik and have different forms
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>>255989858
That'd take two spots from the clone engine, I can't see PMBR making a form changing clone
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>>255980630
That's from melee, moron.
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