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Games only you played thread
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You must be really new to not know that H&H has been a flavour of the month more than once here.
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This game was big few years ago. Everybody played it. Faggot.
The only downside was exp system and shitty netcode and servers
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>>255731758
Don't tell anyone I want it to get popular again
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>>255731854
also they fixed the lag mostly its not impossible to move 5 feet now
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Yu-Gi-Oh Dungeon Dice Monsters

tried to play it on an emulator few weeks back, but I just can't remember how to
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ITT: Games everyone played
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can't be the only one tho
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>>255732350
Oh my god, I would give two or three of my left toes for an updated version of Emperor of the Fading Suns. It looked like such good fun! There's just so much you could do with it!

There will never be another EotFS game and even if there was, it would never include everything it could.
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>>255732263
Awww shit, nigga. Titans of Steel.

The latest TOS happens to be free now http://www.matrixgames.com/products/237/downloads/Titans.of.Steel:.Warring.Suns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqDLKzO90I
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>>255733029
Finally I can stop posting it to these threads.
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>>255731679
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I've never seen this mentioned on /v/ in all my time here.
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this game was so much better than all the twisted metals
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>tfw russian writing on a stone appears outside your hut when you login
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>>255731679
>tfw playing H&H with /v/

;_;
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Literally no one else
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>>255732171
Tough luck, I played that shit.
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I only played the demo, though.
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>>255734373
Loved that shit.
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>>255734405
I used to play Gettysburg a lot as a kid

I'm not even American lol
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>>255734373

Actually, surprisingly many have played Seven Kingdoms. Fun game, but goddamn if the faction selection screen didn't look retarded.
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"Serena...... where are you?"
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>>255734467
That cyborg character looks really, really familiar. What game is this?
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In all seriousness, I have never once seen this game mentioned by anyone other than myself
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>>255734454
My nigga. I don't even remember why I bought this game but it was great. Sheena best girl.
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>>255734589

Project Eden.
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Koiratappelu 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJn-a9ggbDQ
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>>255734540
So it was Seven Kingdoms?

I thought it looked familiar, but I played it just for one or two hours, so I wasn't sure.
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>>255732171

Oooooh god, this and raptor were games that really got me into gaming.
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>>255734598
Holy shit I played this fucking game, I never could remember the name though always thought it was called WarCry, thanks anon.
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>>255731679

There's a massive overhaul of H&H coming now that Salem has been dropped.
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>>255734685
>Finnish dogfighter game
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>>255734771
Excuse me? sauce
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>>255734598
I played this. It's an awfully balanced game, but its hella fun just seeing what you can do to break it. Assassin just maxing dexterity and assassination to get a 50%+ chance to kill people and get 100 gold ON HIT. Spamming shit loads of spells. Lowering your unit costs with charisma/merchant so you're paying basically nothing for your entire army.

That game was awesome.
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This gem here. So much fun playing it with friends.
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>>255734589
>>255734467

Yeah, I got the impression I've seen that robot dude somewhere, but I have no idea if I've actually played the game or not.
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>>255734857
Are you fucking kidding? This is like reddit-tier nostalgiafag game, which means even normalfags have played it.
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>>255734856

Second one was more "balanced" i guess, but even there, fucking high lvl merchant heroes.

I hope you dont mind me spamming the strongest units with almost maxed resists for free ahuehue
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Submarine vehicle combat.

Has ANYONE played this game?
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>>255735007
It being broken was half the fun though.
I played against my brother one time and just massed summoners, then summoned dozens of demons, charged his base and summoned a load of imps. Then when he killed it all I did it again.
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>>255734685
Man that annoucer was great. As a game Triplane Turmoil was way better though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74hyMWQhvJI

>>255734694
I played Seek and Destroy again earlier this year and it was still fun.
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>>255735115
I played triplane turmoil too! Great game.
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>>255734881

Let me give you the original.

I think it's the original.
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Has anyone played Digimon Rumble Arena 2? I'm assuming a few people have played it - after all, it is a sequel, so the first must have been played. I'm just posting it here because I have never heard anyone else talk about it ever. It was pretty much Smash Bros. With Digimon, if I remember.
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>>255734910

oh shit it's the Sting!

loved that shit
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>>255735093

I love that about the demons. What i liked to do was make a shitload of minotaur shamans or whatever they were, set them on autocast. And just walk into the enemy army/base triggering a shitload of rings of fire destroying everything.
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>>255734057
Is that Clonk?
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>>255735007
>>255735093

Yeah, have to admit, the wonky balance was one reason the game was so fucking fun.

Shame there never was any sequel to the game.
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>>255735247
Scorched 3D was fun
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>>255735210
Grezzo is fun - it's like an information-based hallucinogen!
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I'm really fucking curious if anyone actually played this besides me.
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>>255735269
Played on the Ps2, baiting people into digi-volves was fun.
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I fucking loved this game and the only people who have played it is me, who found it in a charity shop bin years ago, and my friend, who I gave it to
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>>255734856
>That game was awesome.
It still is.
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>>255735273
>Minotaur King in your retinue
Yes I want the most powerful single monster in the game that's also a general that weakens enemies with its presence and can attack air in my retinue, thanks
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>>255735247

Awww shit, that was the one i was looking for but couldnt remember the name, i did play atomic later on tough because i couldnt find the original anymore.
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>>255735667

I agree, it does hold up today. It has all the controls and UI stuff you'd expect from a modern RTS, like autocasting spells, control groups and whatnot. You can even control group buildings too.

I'm fucking surprised actually. Graphics and voiceacting is laughable but goddamn if it doesn't have charm.
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Ah Haven and Hearth. I wanted to love you so badly.

But instead of fixing the idiotic fucking combat, they simply added pot.
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>>255735823

Not having summoners in your retinue
who summon demons
who summon imps

I sure hope you werent so pleb
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>>255734057
awh shit nigga is da sum clonk?
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>Implying anyone on /v/ has ever played this
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>>255735823

>play as merchant
>fuckhuge amount of charisma
>start the game with knight lords, doom knights or minotaur kings
>even a fucking dragon

Fuck.

Yes.

Swarmlords were pretty crap though. The poison attribute on their troops were solid but goddamn if they weren't mediocre. Same thing with plaguelords.
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>>255731896
Muh nigguh
makin dem vehicles, drivin them around in that shitty simulator like it was 1996.
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>>255735842
And still has extra stuff like the AI pre sets for behaviour like scouting,auto casting,coward ect.
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>>255735924
>>255736057
>Doing stuff in your base
>Wonder where your hero is gone
>Find them next to a gnoll den about to swing
>Panic
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>>255735667
>>255735842

Dat music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YALCWCaA6ig

Dem Doomknights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgmWimHb9s

>TFW YOU ARE INVINCIBLLLLEEE
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>>255735842
>WAAADE THROUGH THEIR BLOOD
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>>255732093
played that shit, never got any good in it though
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>>255736057
>play as shaman with nice charisma
>buy cheap ass units
>get lucky with stat transmuting
>kill your enemy with goblins
Yep...that "stun"...those little green bastards.
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>>255736257

When you level up a skeleton to a wight he will say 'I am stronger!'.

When you level up a wight to a slayer knight he will shout 'I am MUCH stronger!'.

When you level up a slayer knight to a doom knight he will scream 'I AM INVINCIBLE!'.

Fun little detail if you ask me.
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>>255736610
Not a fan of necros.
Orcs and Demons are my thing.

Still it is a fun little detail that shows a lot of heart from the developers.
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>>255736610

And dat scream. Honestly, for as cheesy as the voice acting in that game is, I liked it a lot

The Doom Knight in particular was just awesome. I also remember the Lich and Zombie voice acting pretty well

Skellyman nation master race WW@
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>>255736907
>Undead being holy shit unbalanced
Literally nothing can stop an undead army except assassin cheese.
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>>255731679
>kicking kebabs asses since 1111

if you guys haven't played this, you're a muslim scum supporter
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Fucking no one
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no one has played this and it was probably the best game on the n64
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>>255737585
>one undead army meets another undead army
"What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"
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>>255734373
fuck man all this nostalgia I can't find this anywhere even on tpb
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I wonder
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>>255738254
Only the jews win. Pretty much literally.
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>>255738972
And then that guy goes here.
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fuck you mendel
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>>255734715

I bought it for like 10 Euros recently. It's kind of fun but everything about it screams "Japanese!" and the fighting system is kind of clunky/you disintegrate too easily.
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>>255739379
Huh, I played it a bit with a bunch of people in the physics faculty computers of my uni
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>>255740427
In that location it was impossible to jump on you.
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>>255731679
>tfw just buried vault as my village died
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>>255740698
>those stats
shit anon i never made it past 100 on anything
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>>255734857
Chex Quest was popular as fuck.
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>>255740797
I made the character at worldstart and village hopped for a while until all my contacts were dead then stopped playing for 6 months. Came back about 2 months ago and met up with some bro people and eventually recruited a town of dedicated players. Even in our new as fuck but well settled village you can powergrind stats like they're candy. One guy we took on was completely new a week before we got him and two weeks later his were in the 300s and he had bartered some of the best gear in the world for bricks.
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>>255741358
count me as jelly anon my picture was of just something me and my friends scrounged up.
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>>255734057

Man I do miss Clonk sometimes
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>>255741496
If you guys have an idol (or live in range of one of ours) I could give you some stuff
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>>255741751
It's been over 2 months anon i'm pretty sure we've been robbed blind, but just incase i ever return whats the name of your city/town
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>>255735269
The game was a lot of fun. I played it with my brothers spamming Terra Force with Wargreymon.
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This fucking game has 13,400 results on google

There's like 3 total barebones reviews for this game on the internet
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>>255731679
I would play the fuck out of a single-player or private server version of this game.
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Motherfucking Submarine Titans!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_mqI2rF7_0
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>>255742112
why the map is so fuckhueg that you never end up meeting anyone unless you go looking and even then the chances of them actually not running away is like 5%
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>>255741873
Our town is ded but I still have access to the edge mid-south eastern side of the world. My HS was cantcheekithebreeki
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>>255742223
Because the game's population is 99% Russians, and 100% of the Russians play stronk as fuck raiders whose only goal is to fuck up your shit if they find you.

I'd rather just be able to chill and relax.
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anyone else?
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>>255742024
Shit man, I had forgotten about Cubix. Can't remember what the fuck it was about.
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>>255738010
What game is that? Looks fun
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So good.
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>>255742352
Me neither, because I would always get it confused with custom robo.
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>>255742112
It seems like a good idea but if that's what you're really after, it'll grow stale as fuck fast. The looming threat of invasion, robbery and summoning is great. Those times when you run into someone in the remote regions of the world are intense as fuck. If all you want to do is build wild shit, do crazy haven science and never really be at risk, try join Emerald City. A guy called Xcom does all kinds of wild projects and pretty much no faction in the world bothers to fuck with them
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Most WiiWare games. Lost Winds, Maboshi Arcade, Tomena Sanner, Space Invaders Get Even and more. That service was undeservedly forgotten.
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>>255742157
>tfw you'll never know if the warrior guy and the mage girl get together after defeating the evil god
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I can speedrun it by now.
But to have +10 "Very Hard" difficulties?
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>>255742481
I'll just stick to Unreal world, honestly.
I really don't like socializing with people.
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Nobody here has played this game.
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>>255742330
I've never really had trouble with russians, even AD, infact, AD are pretty damn cool. Polaks and shit eater factions like Megam8s and Jordan Coles' whatevers are the ones that give you trouble.
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>>255736054
Player worlds?
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>>255741737
This game was fun back in its time. Basically like Wipeout before Wipeout was Wipeout.
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>>255738010
Fuck, I remember playing that when I was younger. Had no fucking clue what I was doin and then suddenly Spaniards came and kicked my shit in, over and over
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>>255731679
If I went into this game blind what would happen?
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>3DO

Holy shit they where still around in the gamecube era?
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>>255740698
What game
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>MFW this game did what Bioshock and Bioshock 2 did years earlier and in a more fun and unrestricted way.
>MFW the atmosphere was the best out of any game I've played in most parts. I mean seriously holy dicks woah.
>MFW it can get hard as fuck if you don't know what you're doing.
>MFW it's long as fuck.
>MFW no one played it and this legitimately makes me sad when I think about it for too long.

It seriously is a fucking tragedy. Amazing game, play through it once a year at least with Deus Ex. There were mentions of a sequel, but it never happened because no one played the first game. It even got a fucking award for the best game that no one played.
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>>255742939
horrible failure, but the second time would be amazing success also good luck trying to catch rabbits without knowing the secret
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>>255742713
Everyone from the Netherlands has played A2 Racer faggot.
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>>255742973
Shit, forgot to quote >>255742024
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>>255743059
I haven't.
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It was actually fun.
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>>255742939
Depends on your will and dedication to push through the first painful stages of a fresh character with no help. It can be quite an adventure once you start to learn what the fuck you're doing and can do, the wiki and sevenless' new player guides on the forums are a godsend
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>>255734598
Awww shiet nigga, blast form the past. Played it a lot back in the day, but i always found lack of music... lacking.
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>>255742987
Haven & Hearth, see OP's pic
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Be glad that you didn't play this
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>>255743032
>MFW no one played it and this legitimately makes me sad when I think about it for too long.

It was genuinely scary up until you return from going back in time to the Monastery. At that point your so badass that nothing can really hurt you.

The top moments though are popping spectral vision to see people being hung from gallows, as well as those flaming skulls.

Also dat greenhouse.
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>>255743059
Not as far as I'm concerned.
I asked some friends a while back if they knew the game and they didn't know what the hell I was talking about.
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played this as a kid a lot
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>>255738698
It is on GOG, so I´m legimately surprised it isn´t all over the internet by now.
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>>255742024

Rented it. Owned the shitty racing game.
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>>255743053
>>255743163
I guess I'll try it soon then. I honestly don't care about knowing anything or how many tries it will take me. I am not keen on using guides because I like learning things on my own, unless there's some completely convoluted system within the game I think I might manage.
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>>255743032

Whats the premise? I'm kind of itching to play some FPS.
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>>255743489
Why no sequels? Spiritual or not...
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I remember it was somewhat boring but I still get a desire to play it from time to time.
Probably because it was my first RTS...
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>>255734771

i hope they'll still support the old servers. I fear it will go to shit along with transfer to 3d environment.
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>>255742164

Played it.

Ancient Conquest too, by the same company.
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>>255743397
Holy shit Septerra Core. Loved that game. One of the few JRPG's i can stomach.
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>>255743523
at least take a look at one guide the game is almost impossible to understand at first glance
i'm saying this with 1-2 years exp playing this game
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All fun
All action
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Well... It had good graphics for a 2002 game, that's for sure.
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>>255743032
>>255743302
I've seen tons of people praising it on /v/.
Go back to reddit faggots or at least pay attention.
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>>255743591
A lot of shit to it but basically you're a ghost hunter who helps your dumb fuck friend because a curse has fallen on his family for SOME MYSTERIOUS REASON WONDER WHY. Great game though in honesty, good reveals in the story, and again the comfy/lonely feel you can get while playing it is great. This isn't even getting into the gameplay.
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>>255734598
>Played Warlords 1

>Could never find any sequels in my local gaming store.

Seriously I played the fuck out the first one. I did everything I could too - solved all the riddles, ran quests, played as every kind of hero etc etc.
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All this love for 90's management games, truly a golden era.
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>>255740114
Is this Takeda ?
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>>255743796
>Gets mad at nothing

Okay.
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>>255743667

it´s a wrpg game with the japs artstyle
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>>255743726
I don't know who you are but i love you, you glorious man. I couldn't fucking remember the name of this game
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>>255742714

>tfw two-man polish settlement
>tfw everyone gets wary or violent when they realize you're polish
>tfw living on the edge all the time, carrefuly explore and try to minimize interaction with others fearing for our lives, sometimes making sick getaways and training to defend ourselves

I don't know whether to like it or not.
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>>255744079
>nothing
Okay.
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>>255731896
Fuck yes
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This game was bullshit.
What was even going on
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>>255735047
Me and my friend played the multiplayer of this game like crazy!
good times, good times...
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>>255740114
FATE OF THE DRAGON.

FUCK.

I CAN"T GET IT GOING IN WIN7
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAWCDava7FQ
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>>255738010
This looks comfy as fuck.
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>>255742157
Still own it. Never beat it
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>>255744369
Short left into hard right, very long.
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Anybody played this game?
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>>255743252
oh shit is that mall tycoon?
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>>255744369
>mfw remastered version came out on Steam last night
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>>255744159
OP here i always try to be friendly but anyone i stop my boat for just ups and hearth travels almost immediately ;-;
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>>255731679
So how is H&H these days?

Deader than dead I assume?
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goat
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>>255744647
You mother fucker, I was JUST looking up pictures for this game
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>>255744635
there's 300 people on today! not that horrible although its Russians polish and south Korans
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>>255744369
CMR2.0 was popular as fuck back in the day

RBR killed rally games
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this motherfucker right here
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>>255744749
>Russians polish and south Korans
Jesus oh sweet god no
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>>255744109
It fooled me because it played exactly like JRPG, then.
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>>255744437
I can still hear the noises he makes when he takes damage. Such a weird, haunting, manly groan.

Also, I used to replay the fuck out of the bike chase level.

You, sir, are my nigger.
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>>255744646
Yeah, and this one is mine
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>>255734970
looks a bit like Liberty Prime to me
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>>255744749
So it's dead then

And probably staying dead as long as the exp system stays shit
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>>255738190
Yep i played that
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>>255744810
Oh! and there's 22 japs on as well as 40 Americans
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So many under rated waifus...
Great game, if you have a playstation emulator do you self a favor and snatch it up
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>>255743252
That game was awesome. Airport Tycoon 2 right?
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> upgrading weapons at 100 ships when you got new ones
oh man
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>>255744561
Airport Tycoon 2
It's a little difficult to tell since the textures are prone to flicker in and out of existence
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>>255744825
Always thought the dinosaur was wearing some kind of pants.
The t-rex part was my favourite
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>>255731679
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>>255745170
Are there still any torrents of that game anywhere? i'd like to replay it
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>>255745170
>2
I used to play 1 a lot
A lot less buggy than what you're posting, and plenty of fun
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>>255744646
Disciples 2 is nowhere near that obscure. Everyone I knew back then was loving it.
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>>255745317
Forgot pic
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>>255744868
>mfw that he says that for the first time
Fuck, I loved that quest.
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>>255744715
the world felt fucking big and full of mysteries
i dont even remeber if ive beaten it back then..
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>>255745130
>Buggy piece of shit
>Looks like ass
>Frames slow down to a crawl for no reason lasting 30 seconds after you place a piece of road
How the hell anon?
I tried so hard to enjoy this game
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>>255742365
holy FUCK yes man
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M.A.X. 2 bitches, this strategy game's demo had me so addicted when I was like 4.
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>>255744794

I hope that doesnt mean richard burns rally

Fuckin pleb
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>>255745759

I've played the HECK out of it. Or the first one, I don't remember.
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>>255740154

do you really think nobody has ever played silicon valley?
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>>255731679
H&H sucks.
>Decimate some mini russian village that is a bit more advanced to the place I'm at
>They cry on the forum
>Their fellow russians from the biggest village on the server travels across the world to come to their aid and kill me
>Made a new character a few times
>Everytime I killed somebody, regardless of where it happened, there would always be a forum post of the faggot I killed crying for help

The game isn't hardcore at all. It's actually filled with little bitches.
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>>255746132
oh hells no this game, the time that I wasted on it...
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>>255744561
>mall tycoon
oh boy it rimmed black assholes on a daily basis but I loved that shit
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>>255746425
there was a time i only played tycoon games

most of them were shit, dear god how can a game so good (RCT) spawn so much shit
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>>255745662
What can I say, I liked airports when I was younger
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>>255731679
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If anyone can help me find this, it was a kind of business tycoon spacesimulator, you had to trade and shit it's really old.

I played it around 1997 I think, not sure, didn't understand a damn thing but I want to try it again
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>>255743489
Venus was my waifu.
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>>255746515
>there was a time i only played tycoon games
me too man, what the fuck happened to the genre?
there was a time where most tycoons were shovelwares with occasional goat but now it's fucking dead
I want to earn some virtual money dammit
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>>255744647
My nigga. I remember playing this when I was little kid, except my copy was in German for some reason, and I couldn´t understamd any of it. so I just fucked around collecting orange crystals for money, killing electrtic anglerfish with an electric beam of my own and getting wrecked by triger-striped pirate subs. Good game, I might pirate it from tpb sometime.
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>>255746925
I started to notice the decline right when Lemonade Tycoon 2 was released

I was taken aback by how little fun it was, also, the graphics were 2real4me, I like my pixelart.

Deep Sea Tycoon was cool tho
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>>255746925
this some TTD knock off or something?
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This game started my childhood obsession with WW2.
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>>255747180
I think everything went to shit with Zoo Tycoon 2 and RCT3. People started demanding 3D graphix instead of more ways to get rich.
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goddamn it
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>>255743205
expecting a actual sequel, i was disappointed and then mildly satisfied.
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>>255747312
It's Industry Giant II you dirty casul.
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>>255734467
Project Eden, one of the best co-op games for the PS2.
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>>255744324
Lords of the Realm 2, right? I played that a few times, never got very far without cheating in some way though, sadly.
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>>255735269
>mfw the stage with the cans
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Did anyone play this educational game ages back that was set in a museum after hours and you had to search around in all the different wings.

You'd know because it came with a USB Magnifying glass that you could use to interact with the game.
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>>255742343

>mfw I see someone else post it

shit, I've posted this in so many of these threads,

I enjoyed it more than Burnout 3, and Kamikaze racing and Bomb Tag are unique and cool as fuck and I haven't seem them done in any other game
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>>255747882
Nice game with point and click shit with some turret minigame
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>>255740441
I loved this game.
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>>255742164
Me and my sister used to play the shit out of this and it was only the demo.
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Sure, it was shallow. Sure, it was imbalanced.

But you got to play as a colony of spiders with heat-seaking missiles on their backs and that was cool as shit.
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>>255734598
Awesome game. Wbc4 when?
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>>255738010
I have this on CD haha. I was enjoying it until the spanish rocked up and the game finihed
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>>255734405
I bought this game at walmart when I was a kid for like 5 bucks. I was young and new to turn-based strategy so I had no fucking clue what was going on.
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>>255738227
>imfuckingplying you're the only one to play this
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>>255742365
>That 'twist' ending

awww sheeeet like that wasn't obvious, he just happened to gain all these abilities each level
good game tho
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>>255734467
Damn, I thought Binary Domain looked better...
Nostalgia...
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>>255745089
this game was the shit. that fucking heaven area
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>>255731679
>Play with friend
>Everything going well, have a little walled in farm & cabin
>As we're exploring for resources we find a cool dude living alone
>Invite him to our village
>Carting all his shit back to our place
>Have to cut around a fuck-huge property
>Part of it is a narrow passage between wall & cliff
>Suddenly bear
>Gets stuck between cart, wall, cliff & bear
>Can do nothing but laugh as he gets mauled and continue hauling everything in my cart
>Fast forward a few days
>Nearly has his shit back in order
>Invests in swimming
>Goes a few tiles out
>Drowns
>Never touches it again

I got my fun out of it.
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Haven and Hearth is still the best game in the genre.
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>widescreen modification on a game where being able to see something coming is 50% of surviving in the game

you're a piece of shit.
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Had a lot of fun with this
Pretty British in its sense of humor
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there were literally maybe 100 people at most that played this game back when i did ~10 years ago. i expect no one to know it.
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