I'm sorry, why was my thread about competitive Smash deleted?

Hilde was definitely banned, as that one guy was saying before the thread got cut, she got booed whenever she was on stage even before the ban.

>>254253468
>>>/vg/

No seriously, mods = fags

Sorry you're such a scrub, janitor-kun

>>254253468
BTFO

>>254253857

This is the first thread I've made about it, I don't understand

>>254253857

>Thread with a specific purpose to talk about a specific thing

>/vg/

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This is way cooler than a regular wavedash.

Do you think Ridley will be banned?

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>>254254312

>>254254434

Only for being too big

>>254254493
>Marth not teching
What a scrub

Please remove this thread mods. OP is a faggot.

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/v/ hates competitive smash

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Not melee but still thread relevant.

>>254255118

I'm aware, and it's largely because they got all their information on it from a meme.

I don't care if they hate it so long as they hate it for the correct reasons.

>>254255118

Why the fuck is this

In any other game it's GIT GUD

start talking about Smash and it's WAAAAAH STOP BEATING ME! PLAY WORSE SO I CAN WIN!

>>254255152
>Literally hacking
lmoa

>>254255425
Project M turbo mode is hacking now?
I mean it's probably TAS but that isn't hacks.

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Recently /v/ has this thing with mods/janitors where if someone shits up the thread/start posting offtopic stuff, the janitor/mod will delete the whole thread instead of the single post to save themselves time.
It's pretty lazy.

Look at any thread where someone started posting pics of unteralterbach (like pic related, which the mods also have a very unfair biased against) and you'll see the whole thread deleted instead of just that post.

New age mods are lazy and dumb.

>>254255574

>Porject M

He's right though, that is a hack

>>254255635

I don't even think that happened.

Every post was about Smash or SCV or BlaeBlue

>>254255760

>This match

AXE CAN I SUCK YOUR DICK PLEASE

>>254255878
I wasn't in the last thread, so I don't know what exactly happened, I'm just sharing my observation.

>>254256096

Yeah I'm just kind of baffled, I wish Janitors didn't have to stay hidden or had to give some sort of reason.

>>254255760
I don't get why everyone is making such a big deal about this video. Axe performed much better in his other matches that weren't nearly as one-sided.

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>>254253857
>anything with actual video game discussion should go on /vg/!

>>254256412
It's a 4-stock in the top 8 of EVO.
Thats why.

>>254256254
Or even better, don't give janitors the power to delete whole threads, just let them delete individual posts.

>>254256412

Because it was top 8 and I don't even get this bodied against top players

So OP, what region are you from and would I recognize your tag?

>>254256412
4-stocked in under a minute against Fox

>>254256849

Midwest, probably not unless you went to a lot of Joker monthlies

I usually go by Silver/Mysterious Silver

I beat Trent once at an anime convention tournament and that's my biggest accomplishment.

>>254257014
Nah, don't know you even though you seem like a pretty chill guy. I'm an old southwest player that doesn't really attend stuff anymore. Used to be pretty active but didn't travel much so you know how that goes.

One of my good buddies used to be one of the best Brawl players but isn't nearly as good at Melee.

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>>254256412
Because of all the newbies who finally actually looking into melee as of aMSa's appearence, and celebrate any time a Fox player is beaten because they're autistic and thought Fox-only was real.

how do i start gitting gud /v/? i wanna play competetive, i can't wavedash or anything like that where do i start? what do i do with the techniques once i learn them?

>>254255390
More like "GIT GUD, but only in this very specific, arbitrary ruleset that favors some characters in a way the game isn't balanced around."

And before you go "BUH BUH RANDOM IS ANTI-COMPETITIVE", tell me, how much bigger is the competitive Melee scene in comparison to the competitive Poker scene?

>>254257528
You find your local scene and go from there. Where are you located anon? From there you lab and play matches, hopefully with a mentor and someone roughly your skill level.

>>254257528
>how do i start gitting gud /v/?
If you're asking /v/ you obviously don't like the game enough, otherwise you'd actually get better by, you know; playing the fucking game?

>>254256412
>less than 1 minute 4 stock
>2 0-to-death perfect stocks
>taunt
>going that deep for every single kill
>all in set point of losers finals in top 8 of EVO
It wasn't exactly a spectacle of phenomenal tech skill, Silent Wolf just dropped the ball and got dominated, but it was pretty exciting. It shows how crazy the scales can tip in Melee if you let them at a high level play and give your opponent any momentum.

>>254257528

Project M, Brawl, or Melee?

>>254257528
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vckV2MJgBzo
This is a great place to start.
Just practice by playing with friends and you'll do fine.

>>254257662

If you think the game is balanced with all items and stages on you haven't ever tried to play in a tournament where that was true

>>254257662
Being retarded for taking the bait aside, can you provide a ruleset that favors all characters equally? I can only think of some minor variations that would possibly help lower tiers, and that is arguable.

>>254257667
bristol in england

>>254257713
>losers finals
Meant just losers.

>>254257735
Melee i suppose i'd play project M if i was british

>>254257305

I actually stopped playing until a couple of weeks ago when I picked up project M so I wouldn't be rusty when Smash 4 comes out. It's funny, but most melee players aren't super great at Brawl and visa versa.

Who was your buddy? Would I know him?

>>254257713
Yeah. Silent Wolf is known for his techskill... not so much his reads or anything else. Being good at the game is more than just having the techskill, though techskill gives you options. Interesting dynamic.

>>254257662
Not him, but anyone who happens to play at a decent level from getting better, even if they didn't go out of their way is instantly a tourneyfag, and anyone who doesn't ban themselves from ALL top tier characters, while also picking random is a tourneyfag.

Faggots will cry about anything to justify gaps between themselves and other players, anyone who is worse than them is a n00b, and anyone better is a neckbeard with no life. If you aren't practically throwing matches you're a tryhard, and in no other game or fanbase does logic like this occur.

>>254258126

Learn to SHUFFL first, it's the most important. L-canceling being the most important part.

The best way to get better is to lose a bunch to people better than you and figure out why you're getting beat

>>254257976
Pretty sure there is a scene there, but I am unsure how active SWF is for the PAL region. Try hitting up smashboards.com and their regional zone. They may be able to point you in the right direction.

As for the rest, if there are any specific gameplay or technical questions you have, I'm more than happy to answer them. Weary vet here, I understand the inner workings of the game pretty well.

>>254254312

Is that the only use for samus' down special?

>>254258349
>>254258398
i'll watch the video an anon linked then i'll ask some questions, if this thread dies in the mean time i'll make a new one

>>254254312
Isn't that shit practically frame perfect?

>>254258473

In melee it can help with her recovery. In brawl it can kind of be used to put a hitbox where your hurtbox was or harass people trying to juggle you.

>>254258473
It can set up edgeguards if you use it slightly off the stage .
You can also carry CPU's away with it all the way to the blastzone.
It never kills

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>>254253468
>competitive Smash

>>254258168
You've probably heard of him. Gnes the diddy main is a really good friend of mine.

>>254258349
I agree with this, though how you practice is super important. Get 3 sets of ice climbers on the stage and practice hitting different amounts of them at a time. That changes the timing of when you have to hit L/R and forces you to learn correctly. Also being able to tell when you miss an L-cancel I guess is a skill I take for granted now. You should be able to immediately know when you drop one.

Practicing wavelanding onto platforms is also super fucking important.

>>254258473
I hope you're not being serious, but samus' downb is great for positioning yourself as well as stall when getting back on stage.

>>254258635
You can actually do this yourself if you mash the control stick quick enough. It probably won't be the max length slide though.

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>>254258635
>In order to do this, drop a bomb, and as Samus is hitting the ground, immediately hit the opposite direction desired on the 41st frame, then hit the direction desired on the 42nd frame
Yep. Smash Bros. has some crazy technical shit.

>>254258825

Yeah, I know Gnes! I got my ass beat by him once. Diddy is scary.

>>254258635
Yeah, but it's pretty easy to do since it has a visual cue of her landing back onto the ground. Not that bad. I can SWD way easier than I can multishine with Fox or up+B cancel with Doc.

>>254258698
You can also do useless tricks like beam canceling.

>>254257662
>arbitrary
Tell me which rules you think are arbitrary.

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>>254258860
>>254258985
>>254259043
No wonder why I was only able to do that shit once when I was younger.

>>254258985

It's funny that a game with such simple inputs has some of the most insanely difficult techs

Like Pikachu's QAC infinite in Brawl

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>Competitive Smash threads on /v/
I'm so sorry OP but it's just not going to be a smooth experience. Anyway, does anyone have any tips for the Puff Samus matchup? I'm Puff.

>>254259376

Which game

I don't like competitive smash because I'm shit at it basically. I kind of like watching people who are good at it though. I just don't want to play against other people who are good. When me and some other friends who are shit at smash its alot more fun than someone dominating us constantly.

>>254259506
Melee

>>254259251
It's doing the inputs in succession. It's easy to short hop, it's easy to JC a shine. Doing them over and over is hard as fuck unless you claw.

>>254258997
Haha yeah. I used to team with him before I got sick of Brawl and he started teaming with Razer. I went back to Melee. Pensive about Smash 4 but I have reservations. We will see.

>>254259251
Its great way to filter out people though, gotta admit. Its obvious to anyone who plays when someone is full of shit. Easy to play, hard to master.

>>254259557

No idea then, I'm shit at melee I'm afraid.

git gud at powershielding would be my advice in either of the other games.

>competitive smash
It got deleted for being a bait thread, obviously

>>254257662
>very specific, arbitrary ruleset

>no items
>no unbalanced stages
So specific and arbitrary.

>>254259376
Harass. That is a long matchup that depends on Puff getting into a zone right outside of her fsmash/tilt range and throwing aerials to bair her doing something so you can get pokes in. You can't directly challenge shit, but giving samus breathing room means missles. Also beware because trading hits ends up in her favor.

I suggest looking up vids of Hbox vs Plup since they are two amazing players that play(and team) all the time. Take notes on what Hbox throws out and what he doesn't and how he gets kills.

>>254253468
Dem wavedashes are shit.

>>254259628
>This is what smash tourneyfags actually believe

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>/v/ despises tourneyfags
>Smash 4 threads are basically whining about the roster, Xfags getting BTFO, any criticism gets you labelled a tourneyfag
>competitive Smash threads are always chill, just people having good discussion and giving advice

>>254259921
Let me add that this is a great resource for finding vids. Be glad you weren't around pre-Youtube when everyone had to trade vids on the hub:
http://vods.co/melee?char%5B%5D=21&char%5B%5D=17&stage=All&event=All

>>254260115
Elaborate.

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>friend constantly researches and practices wavedashing, l-canceling, short hopping and a bunch of other shit
>keeps saying he can beat my ass and calls me a "casual elitist" because I don't care to learn advanced techniques
>get around to playing a match with him
>he turns off items, picks luigi and final destination
>starts wavedashing all over the place
>kick his teeth in with falcon

>>254260115

I mean, yeah. Have you seen the shit you have to do with your hands to do some of this shit?

Go do that QAC infinite up to 100% and I'll eat my words

>>254260335
You're friends a shitter.
Not sure why he called you a casual elitist though.

>>254260335
You would probably play a lot better if you learned how to SHFFL with Falcon

>>254259921
>>254260231
Wow thanks. Great website.

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>>254260335
i think this is the gif you're looking for

>>254260335

There are SO MANY wannabes out there who think that tech skill is a measure of how good you are, and don't understand that it's a tool.

Wavedashing for the sake of wavedashing is pointless and will get you beat the fuck up

>>254260335
Here's what you do: you ask him why he doesn't demand to play sets, then ask him why he isn't doing stage striking. When he looks confused call him a poser

>>254260116
Because Smash threads are similar to the FGC-style threads and fighting games, assuming you wanted to get better, were always about community. You'd get to know people through the game, and people on different sides of the world, or different coasts shared tactics. The Smash community on the other hand has anti-social aggressive people that have no sense of community and love to promote spiteful behavior. There's no reason for them to care about anyone else because as long as they get what THEY want out of the game, they don't care what happens.

>>254260792
>The Smash community on the other hand has anti-social aggressive people that have no sense of community and love to promote spiteful behavior. There's no reason for them to care about anyone else because as long as they get what THEY want out of the game, they don't care what happens.
... the Smash community is all grassroots and is extremely tight-knit

>>254260792
>The Smash community on the other hand has anti-social aggressive people that have no sense of community and love to promote spiteful behavior. There's no reason for them to care about anyone else because as long as they get what THEY want out of the game, they don't care what happens.

Whoa, what?

This hasn't been my experience at all. Everyone I've met has been super helpful and willing to help me learn

I never even would have gotten into competition if the people weren't willing to take me under their wing and show me the ropes

>Falcon will never be as good as he was in Melee
>Sakurai makes him look like a beast in the Lucina+Robin reveal trailer
>He's gonna end up being shit because he depends on the physics of the game

Why, Sakurai? I just want to go fast.

>competitive smash
orbitalkek

It was only at evo because of N's sponsorship hanging on it.

>>254260773
Because 4 stock is fine for casual fun. Also this isn't a sanctioned tournament as for why were not doing "stage striking". I don't think the guy was claiming he was a tourney fag, just his mechanics were sick because of his practice.

>>254261134
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>254261124

I wouldn't count him out yet

He would have been fine in Brawl with some numbers cranked up.

>>254261229
>getting BTFO by a tripfag

Hi there!

You seem to be salty! Try a real fighting game!

>>254260937
Did you just echo what Prog said about the competitive smash competitive smash community?

>>254261007
>This hasn't been my experience at all. Everyone I've met has been super helpful and willing to help me learn
Oddly though people on here say that those people are just "meleefags" and make up less than 10% of the Smash community. What I find the most though are people who just want their dream roster in the game, and want to shoot down anyone else's suggestions that they don't like. It's near impossible to have actual discussion of Smash in the day time without tons of shitposting.

>>254261143
Well... so what's the problem? He just wants you to try to get better at the game and is being passive aggressive about it.

You may be beating him but his practice will help him in the long run.

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>>254260335

>Falcon

You did good, son.

>>254261361
Thank you for taking off your trip.

>>254261375
>echoing Prog
It's the fuckin' truth. I'm not going to consider random people who play smash casually "the smash community." I think we are speaking of different things here. You just mean the general fanboyism or fandom? Because that's quite a bite different you know.

>>254261134
Yeah Melee wasnt at EVO at 2013 or anything...

fuck off tripfag

>>254261404
I'm not that guy I'm just saying I never would have thought of having my friend over and being like WERE PLAYING SETS NOW, STRIKE THE STAGES.
It's the difference between street racing and drag racing at the strip. I'm not going to practice doing burnouts or staging when were street racing. But at a sanctioned event I need to do those things.

>>254261453

Wasn't me. Feel free to keep playing Mario Vs. Party though. Keeps the filth out of the real games.

>>254261375
>Did you just echo what Prog said about the competitive smash competitive smash community?

Not him, but it's true. The competitive smash competitive smash competitive smash community is absolutely grassroots as hell. It was at MLG for a while and it was a horrible experience and most people hated it.

And I consider some of the other players I've met to be some of my closest friends.

>>254261772
No problemo

>>254261772
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>254260937
The ACTUAL competitive smash community is.

That's a pretty accurate description for /v/'s smash community tbh. Smashboards too thinking about it

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>tfw just starting to git gud at Smash
>no one around me wants to play against me
>even when I offer to play doubles with them

I'm destined for mediocrity

just like the rest of you

>>254261771
I brought it up because it sounded like he wanted to try to emulate serious play but just picks FD anyways. It's the whole "you don't know shit" and calling him on it thing.

>mfw I can blow you up in your own game with little effort using Kirby

>>254261972

If you plan ahead you can get bus tickets to a tourney for crazy cheap

http://us.megabus.com/

>>254261972
Try netplay.
We sometimes have threads here on /v/.
You could try /vg/ but I don't know if thats a good idea.

>>254261972
PPMD is one of the best in the world even though he lives around nobody decent, you just need motivation

>>254253468
>>>/vg/

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>>254261665
You know, you're absolutely right actually, I don't know why I thought otherwise.

>>254261838
Yeah I don't know why I considered the Project M, Roster, and Brawl shitposters part of it. I guess it's just because they affect the discussion for the most part, but yeah I see what you guys mean, it's like counting in mashing scrubs and steam-monsters that don't even play fighting games into the FGC. For the most part though, the intermediate players who actually like all Smash games to certain degrees or all fighting games to certain degrees are some pretty chill people.

>>254261972
Where do you live?

>>254262056

I'd guess this isn't true at all, but we'll never know!

If you are good, I'd really recommend getting into the competitive scene, it's a lot of fun and you could make some money, too!

>>254261724
>charity event side tournament

fuckin' lol

>>254262143
Sadly netplay threads are rare here and they barely get any attention.

>>254262276

Please explain

>>254262293
Iowa.

Smash in the midwest is pure suffering

>>254262290
Wait a minute you aren't lumping the helpful PM posters in with those shit heads are you?

>>254261724
You rewarded him with a reply he didn't even deserve, you can EASILY tell how little effort there is.

>>254262363
It had been at EVO in the past as well. I don't get why this is suddenly new to you yahoos. If you wanna make a point, at least know your history.

>>254262290
>someone reasonable on /v/
What the fuck?

>>254261972
>tfw the people you play with try much harder than you do, and you're still able to keep up
I like this. Mediocrity ain't that bad. Although I only picked SSB back up recently, and for some reason, when I went back, shit just started clicking. It was weird and kind of awesome. If only this could happen with Tekken...

>>254258083
you know what loser's means right

i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you know what double elimination is

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>>254262010
Yea I guess you could do it that way. Me and my friend used to play melee way back in high school, go to tournaments and stuff. I remember we were talking about melee in some sort of computer class, and some nerdy guy was like "oh you guys play smash? I love smash I've won a few tournaments." I immediately invite the guy over. That day after school, we both 4 (was was worse than my friend so i played him first) stock him. "so you won some tournaments eh?" I don't even remember that guys answer. He didn't have the balls to attempt to talk to us again after that.
I think looking back on it I might feel sorta bad for the guy now.

>>254262468
Try middle of nowhere texas.

Tips for being aggressive as a Peach main? I've been to a couple of tournaments and I barely squeeze by most of my sets based purely on waiting and punishing mistakes, only to lose to people who don't really make mistakes. I really have no idea how to offense, pls halp.

>>254262468

You have some solid players around there, or at least you did when I played

Joker wasn't bad at all, he used to hold monthlies all the time

>>254262468
http://smashboards.com/threads/eastern-iowa-smashers.358951/

Check your region. Make a topic if needbe. Sometimes people are lurking on FB groups instead. You'd be surprised how close you can find smashers.

>>254262468

OP here, also a Midwest player. Have you heard the joke?

>What does a Midwest player call a tournament three hours away?

>"Close"

>>254262650
Define "middle of nowhere"

There are scenes in Houston, Dallas, Austin, SA, the valley for the big ones. OK has some stuff. There's likely someone within a few hours from you.

>>254262869

What game

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>>254263029
I laughed

and then I felt sad.

>>254262485
Na nigga chill. I mean the people that are (most likely pretending) but shitpost in all SSB4 threads with obligatory "LOL Project M Smash 4 is dead" posts. Not the people who will mention it and instantly get attacked for no reason whatsoever, which happens even MORE frequently. I don't like Project M because it feels like a MUGEN to me, there's something that makes it feel like it lacks polish, but I'm down with discussion of the game, or listening to what people have to say.

A perfect example is when the Light Suit was shown and someone, most likely just a Metroid fan mentioned being disappointed it was just a palette swap and referenced it being closer to the design on PM. He was IMMEDIATELY met with the usual overly defense "meleefag!" bullshit and you can probably imagine the rest. There's a difference, but people don't even bother to try and slow down to see it.

>>254263212
Melee

>>254258985
>technical
>JFing a fucking GLITCH

Guys you ae pretty much exploiting wonky coding, that is all.

>>254262869
You aren't going to be able to play a "full aggro" Peach. She is a character about trades and controlling space to pressure opponents. Hell, when it comes down to it only like the spaces can go in balls deep and you gotta be a step above your opponents to get away with that. When not in bracket work on only counter-attacking, not initiating. Work on baiting and controlling space instead of going all the way in. Let people run into your fairs or nairs instead of you getting their shields. Starting there will help you a lot.

>>254263349
that doesn't take away from the fact that its fucking hard to SWD consistently

>>254263250
Ok I get what you mean then.
I'm just tired of getting put in the same category as those shitters because I like PM.
You seem pretty cool though so thanks.

>>254259802
>unbalanced stages
Not that guy, but that comes down largely to opinion.

>>254263349

It's an exploit, not a glitch

Also

>implying other games don't abuse the fuck out of glitches when they're found

KARA CANCEL WAS TOTALLY INTENDED YOU GUYS

Also glitch or not that doesn't make it easy.

>>254257306
you can't fucking chain grab sheik like that lol
where the DI at?

>>254263541
Not really.

>>254263541

I mean, it's not like there's an objective measure for it

But playing against a good DDD on any stage with walkoffs will demonstrate why they're unbalanced pretty fucking quickly

>>254253468
>comp Smash
/v/ has a hateboner for that.

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I probably would like to play smash a bit seriously, but the community seems just too fractured over small issues and more irritable in general.

Of course, my only exposure so far has been /v/ and smashboards, but, shit that's a horrible first-through-tenth impression.

>>254259557
back air
watch H-Box vs Plup
remember to back air

I'm starting to play Mario Party competitively.

Any tips? We already banned luck-based minigames and RNG ones because they're unfair.

>>254263775

I know, but that doesn't mean the mods should nuke it

Hell I was trying to clear up some of the misconceptions /v/ has about it

>>254263838
Go to a fucking event. Have you not been on the internet for long enough to know how shitty people who aren't even involved make everything?

>>254263838
All you need is a couple of friends who aren't shitty people and want to play the game.

>>254260335
your friend is trash

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>>254263297
>Turnips and dash-ins
>Nairs
>Well-timed fast-fall fairs
>Make sure you get back on stage safely

>>254263838

Go to at least one tournament, I think you'll have a much more positive experience.

Though it might depend on where you live

>>254263862
Huh, I can't think of a Mario Party minigame that's RNG based except that one Bowser one. Anyway, you should main Wario or Yoshi, very solid characters.

>>254264084
You're out of the loop. People figured out that Wario has a larger hitbox and thus is a worse choice.

>>254261143
>mechanics were sick
>got beaten by a non-competitive player

lel

anon who wanted to get good from earlier, I just finished up that video and it's late here in britain so i'll watch again tomorrow when i practice but who do i play as?

>>254255635
It's both of their fault, but for different reasons.

Janitors in general are just retarded. I don't need to go into detail about this.
Mods are too lazy. How it's supposed to work is that janitors will submit ban requests, which mods will look at and decide whether it's justified or the janitor is just an idiot. However, since they don't want to work, they just approve every single request which comes their way. As a result, janitors have much more power than they're supposed to.

>>254263541
Not really
>some stages allow for certain characters to stall indefinitely
>stages with walls usually have some sort of exploitable infinite given to a couple characters
>walkoff stages inordinately benefit characters with chaingrabs or Fox's waveshine
There's some debate over stages like Mute City and Rainbow Floats which actually used to be legal but for the most part it's pretty easy to see why most stages are banned. It's not like people WANT to be limited to only five stages plus counterpick but in a play to win setting people will inevitably find a way to abuse the stage no matter how broken or unbalanced.

>>254262163
nah PP has his brother
I mean not 'top level' but someone

>>254263862
I know it's a terrible analogy for Smash, but how the fuck does rng items help out characters who aren't space furries or sheik?

>>254264248
You can have good mechanics while being absolute trash.
>Good mechanics
>Good player
>Good strategy/statistics
Pic how ever many they have.

>>254264269

Play as your chosen character

It's not like SF4 where you learn on Ryu and then move on, everyone's stuff is different so you want to learn whoever you're going to play.

That said, if you're getting frustrated with wavedashing playing Luigi will give you a more obvious reward when you allllmost get it.

>>254264269
You gotta let the character choose you. I'd suggest sticking with top 8ish characters and not picking Jiggs since she kind of allows you to fudge some of the fundamentals which will hurt you in the long run.

Does someone stick out to you?

Who you planning on maining competitively on New Smash /v/?

Who are you planning on shoving inside an Amiibo, train the fuck out of them and have Amiibo money matches with?

>>254264269
Who do you want to be good with?
Thats usually who you should play.
Try different characters out to see the differences though.
Link is good for the beginnings of L-canceling and Luigi is good to start learning wavedashing.
Really you can use anyone.

>>254264269
Play as whoever you like. Except maybe the bottom 5, they're generally shit in almost every way. It's better to learn the mechanics with a character you like than to just pick up a high tier straight away. I would recommend Mario to a new player though.

>>254264474

Should probably throw matchup knowledge in there too.

>>254264269
Anyone higher than Young Link is a good enough character to get good with. You're just going to need to choose one and stick with it.

>>254263838
find local people, as usual everyone is 100x nicer in person

there's an extreme example here in the UK, look up Professor Pro on Smashboards. All he does is talk shit about and to people but if you talk to him at an event he's a cool guy. Really willing to teach new people as well

>>254264518
>knowing who you're going to main when everyone had a few matches at best on an incomplete roster

>>254264514

I'm not saying this guy's advice is bad or shit

But it can be a lot of fun to be a low-tier hero in Smash too

So if you want to play a character who's not top 8, go for it. Whoever stands out to you.

>>254264514
young link, i beat a level 9 fox bot with him before but other than him Yoshi, mario maybe?

>>254264382
Not quite true but whatever. Plenty of players want to just play on BF because they are whiners.

>>254264518
>choosing a main when the game isn't even finished or out yet
People do this? How?

>>254264518
Chorus Men

>>254263349
Who gives a fuck whether it's a glitch or not, it adds depth to the game, makes it faster and more fun.

>>254264518

>Amiibo money matches

This is the only good use I've heard for the damn things

Also, I mained Pit in Brawl but he feels incomplete without glide or WoI so I'll probably move on. Currently thinking Palutena, Little Mac, Zelda or Robin.

How do I even find the scene in my area, do i just go and ask smash boards?

I live in michigan and theres a big tournament here so I'm sure there's a scene close by.

>>254264474
'good' mechanics isn't just being able to wavedash

consistent SHFLL'd aerials, shield drops, invincible ledge dashes, ledgehops, use of OOS options

all of these are incredibly important

>>254264658
I'm just saying having good mechanics doesn't make you good. Sure you can hit your wave dashes and l cancel all day. But you aren't necessarily a good player. I mean technically you could be blind and have good "mechanics"

>>254264269
Pick a top tier character.

You can choose between Fox, Falco, Peach, Captain Falcon and Sheik.

Jigglypuff is a special case and Ice Climbers just teach you how to chaingrab people.

If you get the feel of Melee correctly, you can then move to mid tier characters like Pikachu and Dr. Mario.

>>254264797
don't play level 9 CPUs, they're inhumanly reactive and playing them breeds bad habits

beat up a level 1 cpu of any character to get an idea of the weight

>>254264797
Mario is the best of the three. Yoshi is hyper technical and not worth the effort. Young Link is probably the lowest I would dip in the tier list in terms of character selection from the start. It's easier to get the mechanics down with a good character and then become a low tier warrior.

But in the end you've gotta play who you want to play. Axe said in an interview that he only plays Pikachu because he feels right.

>>254264960
Which is great, and you could do all of those and still be fucking trash.
All of those things are thing you could sit in your basement and practice all day, but with no experience playing vs other players or match ups you would get rolled.

>>254265040
I also forgot to mention Marth.

>>254263963
I'm the big fish in a very small pond. 4 to 5 hours away from the closest local scene and I faceroll all of my friends at this point.

>>254264951

Yeah, people will post about their locals and stuff

Also, attend a big event and meet some people, then they'll probably let you know when stuff is happening.

>>254265040
i've been quite interested in peach, i may try her, most likely try sheik and the captain too

>>254263527
Yeah I agree with you man. To be honest, I just hate the fact I can't mention liking anything not-Brawl even though I've played it a ton since it came out, and have probably played and enjoyed it with more people locally than the people who complain about "no fun allowed tourneyfags" I played Melee back when it was first released, then since I lost my copy I wasn't able to play it again until 2 years after Brawl. My unbiased opinion is that 64 is better as a party game, and Melee is better competitively, I haven't tried PM too much but I'd at LEAST give it a try if /v/ had tourneys or get togethers like the MK stuff.

>>254264797
Mario's cool
Yoshi is hard
If you wanna play Y.Link, you better like running away and throwing stuff

>>254264797
Y Link and Mario are okay characters to learn your fundamentals. Yoshi is a trip and you'd have to really want to do it. All of those characters will likely be frustrating to a mid-placing tournament player though. Bad matchups abound and you have to work really hard as YLink or Mario to beat a good player that uses Marth, Fox, Falco, Sheik, etc. Play who you want, but this is a warning depending on what your end goal is.

>>254265197
Play Peach. She's fun as fuck.

>>254265119
will do thanks man, i noticed that they do pull some bullshit but then again i'm playing without wavedash and all that since i've never attempted them, will try tomorrow though it's too late right now

>>254264951
facebook is better for that these days

>>254265189

You can try and train up one of your friends

Works sometimes though it seems like they drop it more often than not

There are probably other people near you who are interested, go to some events as a pot monster and get bodied and meet people.

>>254264797
Young Link and Mario are pretty solid. Yoshi can be decent but is pretty intimidating for a new player to learn. I'd suggest Mario, he controls well and has decent kill potential. Young Link is kind of a campy playstyle to be effective.

>>254265203
We used to have netplay threads around here and I think we still do.
You could always try to get in on one of them.

>>254265412
Ask Smashboards and you will likely find the FB group.

>>254265178
I know
but the original points was that a Luigi player lost to a 'casual' player despite knowing how to wavedash
I was stating that just knowing how to wavedash does not mean they are solid mechanically

anyone has the webm of the two foxes in sudden death just constantly reflecting?

>>254265197
Peach is fun if you like to press buttons, but don't wanna play spacies, or Links. You can essentially always be doing something whether it's dash dancing, picking / throwing turnips, floating etc.

Why don't we netplay anymore?

>>254265367
you're in Britain right?
seen SmashUK?
https://www.facebook com/groups/SmashUK/
join that shit

if you're in the North East area I can probably sort you out even more specifically

>>254265367
I was practicing against some level 9s with Falco and I noticed they would powershield half my lasers which basically nobody can actually do in real life, I still managed to beat them convincingly but I think a new player might get the wrong impression on how useful lasers are to approach in the neutral game. It's more important that you just learn the fundamentals of your character, most people DI differently than CPUs so extended combos might not work as well.

>>254265734
People kept forgetting to bump the threads.
They were too busy playing.

>>254265413
I've already got them on street fighter even though I'm worried about them dropping it before they get decent.

And if >>254263063
is right about the scenes, I'm much too far to make a regular trip out of that. Especially since I just got a job. I wouldn't have anywhere near the time to even make a trip.

Why can the winner change character after a round?

>EVO

So, any plans on telling Nintendo to not remove Melee for Smash 4 and instead allowing both?

If Smash 4 ends up being a good game, at least let Melee die peacefully.

>>254265792
im the opposite of the north east anon

>>254266037
Why wouldn't they be able to?

>>254265849
people can powershield pretty consistently actually

true bullshit is when the powershield your CC'd shine

>>254266037
The loser decides second so if the winner chooses they can get counter picked.

>be a falcon main
>decide I need more technical skill, so I decide to play around with fox for a bit
>get pretty good at waveshining, shine turnarounds, etc..
>go back to playing falcon
>"wait I don't need tech as Falcon."
> make zero progress

Well, at-least I have a decent pocket fox now.
Anybody have any tips on practicing reading/DI alone?

>>254265908
There are a few other scenes besides those, but those are the bigger ones.

>>254265849
There are a handful of players that can PS Falco's lasers that well, but I agree. Get a training mentor. Usually they have tips for how to practice solo a bit better than just a level whatever CPU

>>254265908

Stuff will explode when Smash 4 comes out,

You could try hosting a tourney yourself around then, might lure in players from the bigger cities. If you've got dosh to spare you can sweeten the deal with a pot bonus.

I did this for Soul Calibur and while we don't have the biggest scene I at least have people to play with.

>>254266156
if you're deep South West like Cornwall you may be fucked as far as local scenes go

where do you mean specifically?

>>254266037

Why not?

Loser can counter pick them and loser already chose the stage.

Most people have a pretty short list of characters anyways.

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>>254266037
Winner needs to change characters first so loser still gets to counterpick.

>>254266185
>he beat me as Sheik
>let me counterpick his fox
pfft

>>254266161
because winning is meant to be subject to ONLY your opponent picking another character

why should the winner have the option of tossing away his opponent's adjustments?

>>254264518

Robin competitively

I'm shoving Bowser in the amiibo

>>254266075
I don't see why they wouldn't allow both

>>254266319
Bristol

>>254266215
>Anybody have any tips on practicing reading/DI alone?

This is the hardest thing and the reason I'm shit at DI

>>254266215
you need some tech as falcon
Haxdashing is kinda important at a high enough level

There's a mid level plateau where you can get carried by being technical with a spacie and getting up in bad people's faces
but when people actually learn the game and safe options etc then you can't rely on tech and you need to be actually semi decent

>>254266215
Get a warm body to help you practice DI, since mostly it's going to be either holding in or away. Falcon does need tech. You need some pretty flawless turnarounds, gentleman, pivots really help, and platform control. Learn shield dropping if you haven't.

>>254266215
training mode AI on evade
20xx hack

>>254266450
you're in luck, there's a pretty big Bristol scene
I think someone just asked about it on SmashUK recently so the thread should be near the top somewhere

Bristol is kinda handy because they're quite close to the Midlands who have regular two day tournaments

>>254266385

I see what you're saying but in practice I haven't really seen it be a problem

>>254265367
Level 9 CPUs generally have frame perfect timing. In that sense they're great for working on your own timing. They don't play like a real person would though, which is good and bad since a real person will be able to move better than them but will generally have worse timing and shit and other weaknesses.

But it also depends which character you're playing against as a CPU. I swear some of them are straight retarded and others are Gods. Captain Falcon seems to be absolutely inept, Fox is 100% solid, and then Dr Mario is a fucking wall.

>>254266245
Might work, but honestly, how do you get people interested in something like that if they're already closer to wherever they're playing? Just save up a shitload of money in between now and winter?

>>254266385
>because winning is meant to be subject to ONLY your opponent picking another character
according to who?

And his opponent should just get good. Player tendencies still carry over.

>>254266667
Fly vs M2K

Just installed Project M and it's amazing how much better it is compared to Brawl. They balanced the game out, made the game faster, more technical, and they added moves to characters that are actually from other games instead of pulling shit out of their ass like Nintendo did.

>>254265515
>>254265734

Damn, I never see them, I'd be down to play no matter what ruleset there is.

Is it just me or is wavedashing easier in PM? I can't seem to do it in Melee very well.

>>254266845
Too bad the Brawl newcomers still have their god tier recovery.

Project Recovery, that's what it is.

>>254266817
Get a venue and people will come.

Our locals fill a restaurant.

>>254266845
B-b-but muh wario bike.

>>254266982
it is
everything is a couple of frames easier in PM

>>254266774
So I'm not the only one who noticed.
>Dr. Mario SDIs into a ledge and ledge techs
>meanwhile Captain Falcon raptor boosts off the edge like two times any given match

>>254267041
It isn't biased towards brawl at all.
Samus can recover from anywhere.

>>254266817

It works like this:

Pot bonuses bring out big players who think they can win for sure and make extra dosh

Big name players confirming that they're coming brings out the randoms and pot monsters

A bunch of pot monster and randoms confirming they're coming brings out more big names for dat pot

It's kind of a game to manage it. You also can put up posters and stuff locally to bring in the I BEAT ALL MY FRIENDS SO CLEARLY I WILL WIN THIS MONEY crowd (I'm ashamed to say this is how I got into the scene).

>>254266845

I am enjoying project M but they pulled plenty of shit out of their asses too

>Pit's Up-B
>Din's Fire

>>254267154
fucking Melee

this game is so fucking crazy

>most CPUs just stand at the edge and jab you when you recover
>Falcon jumps out and tries to dair you

>>254266774
>CPUs DI Peach's down smash so I hardly ever use it except as a back up kill move
>go to first tournament
>downsmash twice to take a guy's stock

was not expecting this

>>254266817
I also suggest that if you want to get into TOing you go on SWF and search for The Crimson Blur. He has some good advice and is a great guy.

>>254267041
Everyone's recovery is god like now
apart from like Falco I guess

Me and a friend have a theory that Kirby could recover from any stage's blastzone edge

>5 jumps
>horizontal/vertical cutter
>which you can airdodge after

pure buillshit

>>254267094

I see, that makes sense. I can L-cancel fine, but I'm not very used to having to delay the air dodge.

>>254267459
Swf?

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>>254267414

>mfw people crouch-cancel Dsmash

Thanks dude

>>254267327

I"m just mainly impressed with Donkey Kong getting his roll from Country and the kick they added to Sonic from Sonic Battle. Also giving Charizard fly and seismic toss with his upthrow.

>>254267459
Blur please go practice so you don't get beaten by Kirby again.

>>254267534
Hey now horizontal cutter eats a jump.
It isn't that rediculous.

>>254267185
Alright, just one more thing;
For quick reference, are any of the big names interested in smash 4? Or would it HAVE to be melee? Because I'm pooling money together with a couple people to snag a wiiu and mk8 to hold us until smash 4 comes around. If nothing else, I know they want to play that one.

>>254266641
im just waiting for them to accept my join request

>>254267579

Smash world forums

>>254267579
smashboards
swf is short for smash world forums, the original name

>>254267459
>Crimson Buster

nice try, everyone knows Juggleguy is the TO guy to talk to

>>254253468
Really don't see why people defend wavedashing. It was stupid.

>>254266501
>>254266513
Yeah. My combo ability is great, but I rely too much on catching the other person off guard. I've been trying to learn a lot more about teching hits, DI'ing, and guaranteed combos. Mainly due to the fact that I die mostly from gimps, and can't get solid kills after racking up percent.

Also, I know that practicing shffl'ing in 1.5x/2x speed can throw off your timing, but what about waveshines and drillshines?

>>254267670

Big names will play Smash 4 when it comes out because

1) Everyone loves a new game

2)So many randoms means huge pots and huge dosh

>>254267620
Scarflard also rated Donkey Kong as high tier.

And people reported that spikes and meteor smashes hit hard as fuck.

>>254267579
Smashboards.

>>254267638
My hands were cold. Taj is really good. My controller wasn't working right. I was just messing around. I'm not Blur

>>254267670
I think everyone is at least a little curious, but they are not expecting anything more than Brawl 2.0.

>>254267783
>give us player cams!
>"Nah."

What was the original thread number?

I wanna check deniableplausibility to see if OP is just a raging faggot.

>>254267657
does it?
are you sure?
My friend is best Kirby main UK and I feel he would have said that in one of his 'Kirby isn't that good' rants

>>254267695
think it needs to be approved by an admin, I am not one and they're probably all in bed so you might need to wait

>>254267804

It added an interesting layer to stuff and I'll kind of miss that, but I can't honestly believe people expected it to stay in.

It looks awkward as hell and I'm glad it's gone.

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I've been playing 64 for 15 years and just got a cheap Gamecube last week to play all them sweet Gamecube games I missed out on. Borrowed a friend's Melee the other day we used to play sometimes. Been trying out competitive Smash stuff and it's making me appreciate how skilled the dudes I watch on the competitive scene are to get characters to do what they want.

Seems like every character controls like a load of bricks, and the triggers to do things like tech and canceling on landing being analog screws me up so much being used to the clicking Z button of the 64 controller. Having to push that giant trigger in all the way fast enough to roll from shield, wavedash properly, tech on landing, it's feckin' hard.

>>254267862
That's what they said about Brawl. What "big names" continued with it after like a year? M2K and Larry?

>>254267814
Lovage uses Bowser set to max handicap so he doesn't go anywhere and Fox with the opposite. If you fuck up, Bowser will likely jab you and kill you.

>>254267783
JuggleGuy is also good, but he is a little less approachable imo because he is so data-driven.

>>254267670
Mew2King will play it regardless, most other players will probably give it a shot for a few months to see if anything decent comes out of it. It probably won't have the lasting appeal of Melee but at least it won't be a slap in the face like Brawl.

>>254267945
I think so.
I never played kirby but a buddy of mine did and he mentioned it a few times.
It was one of his reasons for dropping the character actually.

>>254267804
It was an additional movement option that allowed for more fluidity of motion and variety in combo options and mindgames and was incredibly satisfying to do.

>>254267928
>I think everyone is at least a little curious, but they are not expecting anything more than Brawl 2.0.

It's not like Brawl didn't have a huge fucking scene for a few years though

>>254268114
good point
Buster seems pretty approachable
just not after getting #rekd by Kirby

>>254267804
It gave everyone incredibly platform usage which helped the game.

I'm gonna be going to a tourney with Armada, M2k, and Scarflord next week. What do?

>>254268047
pretty sure you can light press to tech and maybe l cancel

>>254268047
If you hold down a trigger on the gamecube controller till it almost clicks when you turn on the console or plug in the controller it disables the soft press.
That way you can just always hold it down most of the way and click it when you want to shield.
You can't light shield this way though

>>254267804
What's stupid about wavedashing? If you said l cancelling I'd say you're right.

>>254268293
You getting wrecked by another no-name.

>>254268235
People did not expect Brawl when Brawl was released. People now expect another Brawl to follow Brawl. Especially when this game is using the same engine as Brawl and has some of the same issues right now. I'm not going to say too much more because this topic will devolve into people claiming that Melee players all hate change.

>>254267934

OP here

I hope I'm not too much of a faggot

>>254249309

I think that was it anyways

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postan

>>254267804
It added another movement option which allow for another layer of mindgames and combos, also it's fun. I don't see why people constantly complain about wavedashing, if anything it's L-cancelling that's the reason for the large skill gap.

>>254268293
Don't approach them like a fanboy, that's for sure. Just take your two 0-2's and learn from it. Don't even ask them for tips because you're probably so bad it's impossible for them to help you.

>>254268134
don't think so, can't find any reference to that anywhere
maybe it's just because you kinda have to jump out of it? I don't know
>dropping Kirby because of that

Kirby is so good wtf

>>254253468
How do I into competitive Smash? What's a good character to start with?

>>254268087

By that point Brawl had plenty of it's own Big names. Lain was still playing too, I honestly forget who all played what game thought.

I dont know why people online or just nintendrones hate competitive smash so much. People i know in real life generally believe melee was the best smash, even the casuals. Im pretty sure anyone can have fun with a complex fighter and causalizing something just alienates half your fanbase

>>254268345
You can also remove the springs from L/R. Most of the time no one gives a shit if you do this. Or you know, I am pretty sure you can use Z for most things.

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>>254268470
>gif

>>254268587
which game do you want to learn to play?

>>254268293
Play as Game and Watch and spam side-b

>>254253468
Because smash has a general already>>254253857

and more importantly:

Turning off modes/rules and making up your own doesn't make a game competitive.

You're just forcing people to play "on your level" instead of the game's.

Effectively making you a shitter.

Enjoy the rest of your worthless day.

>>254268587
Falcon so you can learn good control
Look in the thread, someone asked the same thing, there was a good video linked
Learn to SHFFL, especially, the L cancel part, and wavedash

>>254268587
pick a character you find fun
you're going to be playing them for hours and hours so you need to be having fun

>>254268715
Perfect.

>>254268574
He has a lot of mains so he was trying to cut down.
It wasn't that he hated kirby, he just liked playing other characters more.
Sometimes he picks kirby up when we're dicking around.

>>254268345
>If you hold down a trigger on the gamecube controller till it almost clicks when you turn on the console or plug in the controller it disables the soft press.
Thanks for the most useful thing I've heard all day. The shielding with a light press annoys me so.

>>254268294
I don't think so, maybe and I'm just too noob to do it. Ive only been able to do it with a full press, which just screws with my timing on the landings and rolls basically.

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>>254268715

>>254268501

Also L-canceling is the dumbest shit

You can get punished for wavedashing wrong, there's never any reason to not L-cancel unless you're hustling some poor motherfucker

>>254268696
Melee I guess since it's got more of a competitive following

>>254268293
Pray to god you don't play them in bracket. I'm a losers bracket warrior, but I've gotten absolutely destroyed by top level talent. It's like they play the game on a whole separate level than the rest of us mortals.

>>254268913
Never tried it myself, but I recall M2K saying he doesn't press all the way down to tech. This was on stream yesterday or saturday

>>254268759
What if turning off modes/rules actually make more characters viable instead of the same three characters?

Enabling stage hazards and items will just give space furries and sheik a bigger advantage.

>>254268587

Start with the character you want to end with

What game you want to play?

>>254268759
[response]

>>254268759

That doesn't really have to do with what I was talking about, but thanks for your input!

>>254268648

Tehcnically you're not supposed to mod your controllers but a bunch of people did this and no one ever gave a fuck

>>254268920
>G&W beating up tails hitboxmon

Feels good man.

>>254268779
I like Ice Climbers but I don't think a character with a separate AI is a good starting point

>>254269002
Pick whichever of the top 15 you find most fun and interesting to play. They're all good characters both to learn and to play.

>>254269071
Viability isn't an issue in a party game.

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>>254268002
>>254268161
>>254268275
>>254268369
>>254268501
>it adds a layer of gameplay

Says the faggots who turn off items and stage hazards.

You know, actual layers.

>>254269002
I think you should pick up Project M
it's like the sequel Melee never got

>>254269217
Yeah. No one cares if your C-stick is actually a control stick or vice versa. People pretty much only will get upset if you have macro or turbo (not that turbo would help you, really).

>>254269382

>Turn off stage hazards

This isn't DOA

>>254269347
It is in a party fighting game though

>>254269263
There's no true good starting point because outside of Mario/Doc and Fox/Falco nothing carries over from character to character, and even Fox and Falco have a shit ton of differences. Just play who you like to play.

Ice Climbers are gimmicky as hell and require a lot of skill but don't let that deter you. Just expect to hate Nana so much you toss controllers. The world needs more Ice Climber players.

Theres a netplay thread up here if anyones interested.
>>254269020

>>254269382
What fucking layer? Turning Space Furries and Sheik into god tier by allowing these things?

>>254269382
>mfw I play on Pokefloats with bombs on high all the time and wavedash everywhere

>>254269420

It would help you break grabs

>>254269347
>it's a party game so balance doesn't matter!
>it's a party game so gameplay doesn't matter!
>it's a party game so nothing actually matters!

>main Yoshi in 64 cuz he's a powerhouse
>see aMSa playing Yoshi in Melee
>start playing Melee and try out Yoshi against a level 9
>get destroyed again and again

Holy shit I didn't realize how much work that guy must be putting in to play Yoshi competitively. It's like Sakurai took 64 Yoshi and just said, "How can I fuck every player who loves this character?" I can't imagine what kind of beast aMSa would be if he didn't handicap himself with that dinosaur.

>>254269495
>liking grab climbers

>>254269071
>>254269187
>>254269217
>dodging

Compelling argument.

>>254269405
I'll do that since it's got more characters.
Alright so to recap I want to learn to git gud with Ice Climbers in Project M but I don't think Ice Climbers are really beginner friendly. Or would that not really matter?

>>254269382
Items make the game less about beating up the other character with your unique attributes and more about running around and throwing things at them. It also reduces the list of viable characters from slightly over half the roster to about three. As for the stages, see >>254264382. These bans are necessary to variety by means of making more characters viable, not destroy it.

>>254269495

>The world needs more Ice Climber players

Please, for my sanity, don't let there be more of them.

>>254269750
They aren't beginner friendly but they aren't expert friendly either. Just go in balls deep and don't look back.

>>254263349
So was cancelling attacks into each other in SF2. It still adds to the game.

Does Smash 4 have L-canceling, I thought there was a breakdown from the tourneyfags somewhere who played it which listed what's there that wasn't in Brawl and what's carried from Brawl.

>>254269670
>>254269812
Fuck you guys. I'll take Ice Climbers over Sheiks and Foxes all day.

>>254269750
You just gotta be dedicated. Ice Climbers have a lot of tricky things in both PM and Melee.

>>254269750
ICs are kinda dumb in PM, I wouldn't recommend
Then again, they're one of my least favorites to play, so I may be a bit biased
Based Ganondorf main with Mario/MK/Samus/Ike secondaries here

>>254269750

They are not at all beginner friendly

But learning another character won't help you learn them, only learning ICs will help you learn ICs

Godspeed if you attempt it.

Why is wavedashing considered something technical, cool or hard by people? It's the easiest advanced tech there is, you could learn it in 2 hours

>>254254493
Damn. Link to this match? I want to see that.

>>254269947
Those two characters are fun to watch, compared to Ice Climbers' goal being to chaingrab your ass.

>>254270021
>not loving to play against ICs just so you can beat the everloving shit out of Nana
It's great for your bloodpressure.

>>254269923
It has auto-cancelling and, possibly, reduced aerial lag.

>>254269923
I don't think so, I'm not really an advocate of adding L-cancelling back so much as I am of reduced ending lack across the board which seems to be WAY too high.