Wind Waker vs Twilight Princess

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>actually liking TP better than WW
This is worse than saying SS is your favorite Zelda.

They were both enjoyable games.

>>253687992
nah, it's just that ww was so good and my first zelda

>>253688076
What a disgustingly nice attitude. Remove yourself from /v/ this instance.

Wind Waker wasn't a very good Zelda game, unless it was your first zelda or something. Voting for TP.

>>253687992

What are "Opinions", Alex?

>>253688316
While TP was a bad attempt at replicating OOT, but this time they tried to make it "dark".

>>253688316
>Wind Waker wasn't a very good Zelda game
>implying Earth Temple isn't the best temple in the series

Wind Waker is a 10/10 on the first go. Twilight Princess can be replayed. By that merit alone, Twilight Princess is the better game.

>>253687516
I think I prefer Wind Waker, mainly because it has more enjoyable characters, since generally their plots are the same, both involve groups of people kidnapped, both have Zelda, both have Ganondorf as the final boss. Unfortunately for Twilight Princess though it's Twilight stuff comes off as wasted potential and it's wolf segments aren't as exciting or as well thought out as they should be. Even Zant is wasted potential, for very obvious reasons involved with the game's final boss. The dried out art style was alright I will admit, wasn't bad by any means.

WW felt more like a big open world to explore. Also the color selection was amazing. TP story actually was pretty good until Ganon was introduced which makes no sense. Both does things a bit different and both does things well. I just feel WW is the better of the two but doesn't mean i can't like both.

>>253687516
I'd say Wind Waker was the better game overall. Twilight Princess was a fun Zelda game but didn't offer anything new in the same vein as Wind Waker did with it's massive open world.

>>253687516
I enjoyed Twilight Princess because it combines the good elements from Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker and improved greatly on the immersion and atmosphere of the world.
Also combat isn't as clunky and camera isn't as shit.

I like both about the same, but TP has Midna, and that makes it come out ahead.

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>>253688665
>until Ganon was introduced which makes no sense.

Except it did. They implied Zant had found a new source of power, and it was Ganon.

It's not lacking in sense, it's lacking in originality because they apparently had to ape a lot of stuff from LttP and OoT instead of just emulating the darker narratives of both games.

>>253687516
>kiddy WW
WW may look kiddy due to the artstyle, but it actually has, imo at least, the most depressing ending in the series bar Link's Awakening.

Things don't need a dark and gloomy art style to be dark.

>>253688950
Do you like being mocked anon by an imp?

>>253688950
I never understood why people liked Midna.
Can you please explain?

>>253687516
I'm not a fan of Zelda games but Wind Waker was a fantastic game in its own right. Probably one of my favourite open world games.

This shit's going head to head but WW is staring to take the lead, who will win?

twilight princess is the best zelda so that.

Wind Waker has the best boss theme in the series, so it wins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iQMS839yA

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>>253689190

Bottom heavy and short.

I like all of the zelda games come at me. Besides the ones that don't count of course.

>>253687516
I like dungeons, so I like TP the most out of all the zelda games. WW had some of the worst dungeons.

I never got to get too far into WW but TP was the last Zelda game that I had played and I enjoyed it a lot its one of my favorites next to link to the past. Is the HD remaster of WW worth it?

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>>253689190
I'm not sure. Whenever I see a picture of her or in the game, I always get deeply aroused.

>>253687516
Having just played through WWHD again and reliving some childhood memories, I put Twilight Princess.

I don't know, I just didn't have much fun with The Wind Waker. Every part of its gameplay was kind of tedious and annoying to me, and the dungeons were worse than I remember.

Twilight Princess had some pace destroying parts with its over reliance on story and lacked a strong identity, but it was also a quality Zelda game, with a big overworld, a fair bit of content, and good if somewhat unremarkable dungeons. It was a logical expansion on the Ocarina of Time gameplay, but it was lacking a spark of inspiration and difficulty.

Still, I enjoyed it much more than either of my playthroughs of WW, which feels unfinished and has some blatantly terrible ideas.

>>253687516
WW I just liked the art style.

>>253689190
Midna had a pretty cool personality. Completely using you at first, builds up friendship with your character and starts caring about the light world as the story progresses. Also one of the most powerful characters in any of the zelda games.

>>253689336
Twilight Princess barely even has Zelda.

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>>253688665

>until Ganon was introduced which makes no sense.

Honestly, did people think they made a cutscene of him murdering a Sage and being chucked into the Twilight Zone for no reason? It would have been cooler to have an original, stand-alone villain, but after that scene you really should have seen Ganondorf coming.

Wind Waker didn't have the god-awful wolf sections and a final boss that dealt half a heart of damage.

Twilight Princess had better dungeons, but the items in them weren't useful once the boss was dead.

Wind Waker also had a more satisfying story, all the way up until the end, as well as having fun Pirate Zelda as opposed to emo Jawa Zelda.

Twilight Princess did have Midna in its favor though, but also the slowest damn tutorial segment I can think of.

Gotta hand it to Wind Waker here.

Wind Waker has the better story presentation. But the big huge empty ocean and lackluster dungeons make it one of the most boring Zeldas. Seriously, Majora's Mask gets ripped on for having no dungeons, why doesn't Wind Waker?

>>253687516
I prefer WW, but I really don't think TP is a bad game. On the GC at least.

>>253689374
Please tell me there's gotta be more to it than this

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>>253689628

I don't get it either. It's one to say "I didn't like him being shoehorned in". But then it's retard alert levels of stupid to say he came out of nowhere, despite a hint that SOMEONE gave Zant his powers, and then that SOMEMONE happening to be Ganny after the 4th level.

>>253688691
>massive open world
>big huge empty ocean

Seriously nigger? Twilight Princess had mostly empty space but at least it wasn't just water.

>>253689628
Ganondorf was central to the plot. He was how Zant got his power so he could overthrow Midna he wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise.

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>>253689628
It should have been stand-alone like what they did with Vaati.

Twilight Princess. I liked the world and the dungeons way, way more than Wind Waker.

>>253689542
Up there with who else?

>>253687516
Twilight Princess had more good ideas than most games, but everything that wasn't excellent was complete shit.

Wind Waker is like 70% pure fun and 30% air. It's great, but a bit hollow.

I'd give WW the edge, but they are both pretty good.

>>253689754
>why doesn't Wind Waker?
WW had 4 decently sized dungeons, and 2 huge dungeons. Only one I didn't like was the Wind Temple personally.

>50/50, literally
At least it was for a second, jesus this one's really close
I guess we can all say its pretty evenly split

Twilight Princess.

Whie the Ocean padding was better than the Wolf padding, TP did everything else better and with more content.

>>253689867
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>>253689614
All the best Zelda games barely have Zelda.

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The only playable zelda games are LttP, OoT, MM, and TP.
The others are all garbage.

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>>253689995

...Who got played by Ganon in his final appearance...

>>253690260
The best Zelda games also have little hyrule (LA, WW, Minish Cap)

Twilight Princess.

Long answer - I love the dungeons, swordplay, general world aesthetic be it Hyrule or the Twilight Realm, Midna is one of my favorite helpers alongside Ghost Zelda, it has the best bow & boomerang in the series, Link feels stronk as fuck (for better and worse).

Short answer - it's my favorite Zelda game.

>>253688292

i think the phrase is 'this instant' since we're not in a dungeon in WoW

>>253690264
Wrong. Only garbage Zelda game is Phantom Hourglass.

>>253689995
Vaati was shit and had little to no development.

Wind Waker. The start of Twilight Princess is worse than anything else if you ask me. It just drags on for way too long.

Just played through WWHD, my first time playing WW ever. It was overall fun, but it definitely had some painful flaws. Extremely short (even with "exploration") and pretty meh dungeons. Triforce quest really doesn't need to be a thing. Combat is clunky. First-person aiming is atrocious (fucking Kalle Demos christ).

But I give it a lot of credit for its bucking of Zelda expectations and playfulness with tradition. I probably would have loved it if I played it when it came out. I did play TP when it came out, though, so it has a special spot in my heart.

>>253690445
he's clearly referring to how when you enter /v/, you enter an instance that is completely separate from the outside world

step up senpai

>>253690538
20 minutes?
I'm sure WW lasts longer.

>>253690264

Oracles are better than ALttP, and no love for at least Zelda 1? I can at least kind of understand everything else, if not necessarily agree with it.

>>253690681

WW's start is arguably worse depending on how you handle forced stealth sections. That said, I don't mind the opening hours of either game, but I do actually prefer TP's.

>>253690553
>First-person aiming is atrocious
I thought the gyroscope aiming was great with the Gamepad.

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ALRIGHT NIGGAHS
Which one has the better enemy design?

This question also heavily depends on which art style you're more inclined too, so it will be highly subjective

>>253690681

The start of WW wasn't exactly great either from what I remember, but TP put me to sleep. I dropped the game right after I got the Gale Boomerang.

>>253690459
Don't forget Spirit Tracks

>>253690980

TWILIGHT
FUCKING
PRINCESS

I'm cool with WW but in no way do I actively prefer the enemy design. Meanwhile, just look at that motherfucker in your pic.

>>253690980

Both are great. One is basically like a moving wall that will smack your shit all over the place, and then go kung fu jackal on your ass when you chip off its armor. While the other is like a tank that becomes a fucking jet with a sword that'll cut you up if you don't think about your attacks.

>>253687516
Twilight Princess is mediocre but Wind Waker was fucking terrible. The overworld was fucking empty, the dungeons phoned in, and enemies offered no resistance.

>>253690980
Wind Waker fag here

Twilight Princess has the worse -blins, but far better Darknuts and Stals. Also the boss design is brilliant.

>>253690919

For casual instances, it was fun. Shooting enemies with arrows and grappling was really cool. But when it really mattered, I just wanted to kill myself. Puppet Ganon is up there as one of my least favorite boss experiences ever.

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>>253690980

TP had several really cool designs, but Windwaker is much better overall. For every cool TP design, I can think of several bland ones, but just about everything in WW looked good.

>>253690681
TP was easily an hour. Going through all those shitty little town segments like FISHING, then the stealth shit, and then the wolf tutorial bullshit.

Wind Waker, you go get your shield, you go get your sword, pirates come and you're practically off unless you count Windfall as part of the intro.

>>253687516
windwakers dungeons are easy as fuck and the combat consists of spam A until everything dies

twilight princess is an actual game

>>253690980
TP had the better enemy design, because of its art style. you can only do so much with cartoonish graphics.

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>>253689190
Plot relevance. Useful in gameplay. Fun, dominating personality. Develops from bossy and manipulative to genuinely affectionate and caring. Makes my dick hard.

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>>253691337

>better Stals

Do you mean Stallord? Because the regular TP Stalfos are kinda boring, with Stallord being the only cool skeleton monster.

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>>253691337
>but far better Darknuts
I will fight you motherfucker.

>>253691438
i have to agree with this. wind waker had baby-tier difficulty. The dungeons weren't difficult they were just long and tedious

>>253691438
>spam A until everything dies
Just described literally every zelda game. In every game theres atleast one enemy where you have to approach differently

>>253691663
dat image swap
Though I disagree, it's perfect

>>253687516
Twilight Princess isn't even edgy. I don't know where this came from. I guess just because it's more realistic than WW?. Sure it has kind of a somber tone, but how is it edgy?

>>253691663

mooooooooooooooooot

Both pics work.

>>253687516
Wind Waker.
TP is the worst 3D Zelda.

>>253691663
why is there an angry iwata

>>253691643
I fudged it in my head and mashed the Gibdos in with the Stals, but I was mostly thinking Stallord, yeah.

>>253691663
That's a beautiful image swap, never fix this moot.

>>253690502
Yeah, but he was enjoyable to fight.

I probably prefer TP overall but I like both the cartoony and the more detailed stylings that Zelda series has used.

>>253691867

>tfw you think the complete opposite

>>253691663

Requesting full image in thumb

>>253691630
This, that femdom personality was a turn on now I that I think about it.

>>253692023
You're free to have your own opinion.

>>253690553
>Complaining about the game being short and having bad aiming controls
>Playing the remake with cut content and no real controller
Play the real version of the game and come back with some actual criticisms. Wind Waker is better in story, music, and gameplay. Mostly because you don't just use all the items in a single dungeon and there's actually sidequests.

>>253692270
the remake had cut content?

>>253692194

What's fun to imagine is that's the personality of the tall, regal, sexy princess we see at the end.

>>253692270
>>Playing the remake with cut content and no real controller
Fuck you the gamepad is the dog's balls rite.

>>253691803
>interpreting it that literally

Strictly art style, I just like celshaded more because it's pretty rare, and at the time it was also the first game with it I played.

I also find WW to be the superior game, though I can see how the large ocean/small islands would turn some people off

>>253692375
Yes, but no. Midna's imp form is sexier to me. I would love for either hold me down and have there way with me

>>253691424
I'd count everything up to the point where you get your sail as part of the introduction.

I hate Forsaken Fortress more than I hate the bland parts of TP.

>>253689871
It seems like everyone who says that just skipped all the cutscenes, so they didn't see the scene after Arbiter's Grounds.

>>253692581
>cel-shading rare
U wot m8

>>253687516

Skyward Sword on Dolphin

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>>253692375

>>253687516
Nigger they were both good im not choosing one over the other.

>>253692581
>cel-shading
>rare
U wot m8

>>253692667
>Forsaken Fortress
Yeah I hated that shithole.

FF and the Triforce quest are the two things that bring WW down for me. Still prefer it overall to TP though.

>>253692373
They cut out the sidequests to get the Deluxe Picto box and the treasure hunting aspect of finding the actual triforce.

Funny thing about that is that it actually creates a plot hole because when the Hero of Time left Hyrule, the triforce of courage was separated into 8 pieces again and scattered throughout the land, so it got buried under the sea, ergo why you have to haul them up from the ocean floor. Anybody who could have hidden the triforce shards in treasure chests on islands in the great sea would have had to have known exactly where they were and had an impossibly long lifespan, not to mention be able to survive the flood.

>>253692915
>>253692776
I think hes trying to say the art style WW went with, and hes just calling it cel-shading for lack of a better term.

>>253692407

What cut content? Its the same game from the GC. The only changes were making an outdated peripheral into something more relevant and useful to players, and streamlining a previously tedious quest.

>>253692776
>>253692915
Back in 2003 there were fuck all games with cel shading.

Even now there aren't that many.

>>253692915
At the time I meant. The only other celshaded game was Jet Set Radio, that I'm aware of

>>253693010
Or they could've been hidden on the mountain peaks, baka baka.

Pretty even split, I voted WW but I still enjoyed TP a lot. But I liked sailing to all the islands.

I'm playing through Twilight Princess again. Fucking love it

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I love them both. So I can't choose one over the other.

>>253688576
Good temple does not mean good zelda game.

>>253693190
In treasure chests placed conspicuously within man-made structures lined with cannons (The Islet of Steel)? Yeah, nah.

I only like OoT and MM.
I only like the N64 LoZ games.

>>253687516
WW. It was original. Fun changes to combat. Interesting new weapons. Stunning art style. Sailing. It had its flaws, but it TRIED to do something interesting.

Twilight Princess did not do anything interesting. Being a wolf sucked. Getting a second hookshot sucked more.

TP has more and better dungeons
TP's overworld is more fun (the people who say they're nothing to do just haven't bothered to explore)
WW's combat is more fun because the enemies have more health and do more damage, but TP's expanded skillset is cool
I like TP's art style better but WW's graphics have aged better
The best songs in WW are better than the best songs in TP, but both games have really good soundtracks that suit their moods

Overall I like TP better, but WW is in my top 5 Zelda games

>>253693010
It only cut out the part where you need to get the Firefly because it was just a pointless fetch quest, the rest of the quest is still there.

>>253693369
Fished up by scavenging bokoblins.

>>253692270

Some cut fetch quests and padded treasure hunting don't make the game any richer. GamePad's streamlining of the menus and sailing contribute to make the HD version a much more appealing product. I can't imagine that playing the "real version" will make up for the loss of these features.

You can't deny that the game is lacking in content; Aonuma himself admitted as much. But I already did say I liked the story. Music was great, too. Gameplay is personal preference. Medli's dungeon is a series high point. Lots of great things. But I just didn't feel like there was enough.

>>253688576
>Earth Temple
That's a really weird way to spell Stone Tower Temple.

>>253693369
Or they could have built the Islet of Steel around it? Or it could have been moved later? Ya got Bokoblins everywhere that are perfectly capable of fishing it up as well.

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>>253687516
I litterally just started Twilight Princess
Worst. Start. Ever.
Motion Controls I can look past, since it feels like it wont get annoying, and its pretty responsive
But Wind Waker HD, Its gonna have to try REALLY hard to beat

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>>253687516
Wind waker had a better over-world and atmosphere.
Twilight princess had better characters and dungeons.+midna

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>Tfw Midna is your waifu but you like WW more overall

>>253693460
>not liking Dual Hookshots
Shit was tight. they really shouldve expanded on that.

Now the Spinner, that couldve been fleshed out a little more, it had almost no value outside of the dungeon

>>253693630
>Wii version of Twilight Princess
There's no hope for you. Abandon ship now.

windwaker for general game

twilight princess for combat and items

item use in combat and combat all together I love in zelda, so I enjoy twight princess a little more. fuck its beginning though

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>>253693812
I dont own no Game Cube, Or even a Wii

>>253693630
I'm waiting for TP in the mail atm. Getting through Minish Cap while I wait, and have just beaten WWHD last week.

Had a blast with WW and looking forward to TP, but is the intro really that bad? Like MM bad?

>>253693630
why didnt you just get the gamecube version?

>>253693810
Also that fucking rod that NEEDED ITS POWER RESTORED what a hack

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>>253693667
What is this, a picture of Imps

>>253693931
Sucks to be you. Your opinion of the game will forever be tarnished by the inferior version.

Wind Waker is still better, but GCN TP is still good

>>253693998
Rod of Dominion was literally Lost Potential: The Item

>>253693460
>Getting a second hookshot sucked

Opinion discarded.

>>253693737
You just posted the hottest girl in Zelda in your pic and Midna is your waifu? Leave her.

>>253688576
Earth Temple is shit. It's short, stupidly easy, and drab. It might as well be a single hallway because the layout is so unimaginative. There is one single point of looping on itself where you need the Mirror Shield to open up a staircase, and the same room contains the single optional Treasure Chart of the dungeon. Everything else is boring combat which is occasionally made frustrating by Floor Masters.

Literally every single mirror in the dungeon is on a linear track that ends in a depression. There is no thought to any of the puzzles, you just interact with whatever puzzle element until the game tells you to stop. It is probably the blandest dungeon in any of the 3D Zeldas, because while every other dungeon in the Wind Waker is as trivial, none look as boring or have as generic a theme.

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I enjoyed both.

But one can't deny that TP handled it's gear poorly, with literally a handful of items having almost no use after the dungeon they feature in, and severely underusing others that had so much potential.

>>253687516
Windwaker for a stupid reason. From the beginning you know you're dealing with dorf. I thought I beat TP day one, as soon as I killed Zant I was like "fuck yeah beat the game" then SUDDENLY GANONDORF

Fucking ruined a great game for me.

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>>253687516
Wind Waker had by far the tightest, most responsive controls of any Zelda game. The dungeons while not numerous were extremely fun and well designed. It has maybe my favorite soundtrack of any Zelda game. Also some of the boss fights were amazingly fun.

TP had an actual downgrade in controls on the GC. I didn't have a moment of fun in a dungeon in TP. The soundtrack was boring and non memorable orchestrated shit. Most of the bosses weren't that great but I did enjoy the final boss. ALSO WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE KEPT THE ZANT AS THE MAIN VILLAIN HE'S LITERALLY THE BEST PART OF THE GAME. Also Midna was boring and shit and the only people that like her are into short stacks and annoying bitches.

>>253694171
I thought that happened in WW as well. Come back to the Forsaken Fortress, fucking up all these niggas, beating that faggot bird, got my god damn Master Sword ready to fuck up Ganondorf and then he slaps my shit again.

Couldn't believe it was only the half way point.

>>253693931

yet i feel compelled to shitpost in these nintendo threads

>>253694146
Do you like the rupee armor?

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>MFW you faggots are arguing over two inferior Zelda games

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>>253694171
Well then you're an idiot who doesn't pay attention. They bring up Ganondorf as far back as the Arbiter's Grounds, possibly earlier.

>>253694607
I own a Wii U shit head

TP by a decent margin, but mainly because it has the best dungeons and bosses in the series. It gets a lot of other things wrong.

In terms of personal experience as well, I know how high the hype levels were for TP, but my experience with WW was a far more crushing disappointment at how underwhelming a follow-up to Ocarina and Majora it was. One of my first major disappointments in vidya. I think most people had the opposite experience of writing WW off beforehand due to the art style and being pleasantly surprised later.

>>253694721
MM is the worst 3D Zelda game, eat shit hipster.

>>253692942
Both are short as hell if you aren't retarded.

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>>253694721
>MUH STORY
>MUH ATMOSPHERE

The second story took over Zelda it became shit.

Yes OoT is shit too

>>253694854
>Best Zelda Game
FTFY

I like my Zelda dark, beautiful and sad, not happy go lucky like a Mario. It's like Nintendo made a Silent Hill game. We need an HD remake, and you know it.

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>>253694717

It was cool, much better than "Link with a silly aura", but shit if it isn't crimped by the retarded wallet cap.

Just imagine, if the game let you get several thousand rupees, and an optional Hero mode with harder hitting enemies, that suit would be like a valuable defense to deflect some serious shit while fighting crazy odds.

>>253693945
It's not THAT bad, but it really does last much too long. It introduces you to fishing, shooting, swordplay, and wolf stuff, but there's no reason for it to take nearly two hours.

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>>253694172
I agree with your WW opinions, but you seem to be stretching to hate on TP. It had great bosses and dungeons, and the music was pretty good, just not as lively.

The movement thing is probably just because of how short and perfectly proportionate WW Link is compared to TP Link. One thing that was really shit in TP was climbing vines, but they were going for a more "realistic" vibe with it.

>>253694172
>I didn't have a moment of fun in a dungeon in TP.
You didn't like the magnetic iron boots?

>>253694978
It was my first Zelda game so I was very much retarded.

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>no option for both

What is it with you Zelda faggots? why is it one or the other? fuck you i like most of the LoZ titles.

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>>253688392
I don't know, don't ask me

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>>253694721
F them niggas, Majora's Mask is the shit.

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>>253695153
>Sad
>dark
>ow the edge
its a good game but you hipsters make it sound so shitty.

>>253687516
TP
fuck boats
also, post original WW, not HD bloom edition

>>253695594
WWHD is superior, deal with it.

>>253695435
He didn't like the Spinner battle. That battle had to be like one of the best in the series

>>253695267
>It had great bosses and dungeons,

I hated the dungeons, hated the ice mountain, absolutely hated the light temple, the sky temple was garbage besides the scenery and I can't remember the others. Which is an even worse offense.

It's not just the movement it's the speed of things and indeed how actually responsive it was.

>>253695545
Yeah, it's my favorite, but the sadness/darkness is far more subtle than most people make it out to be.

>>253687516
Twilight Princess had much better, in-depth combat
all of the special attacks could be executed at any time
Wind waker was 'press a to awesome'

>>253691663
What are you talking about TP darknuts actually has to be combod and you couldn't do cheap ass parries.

>>253695728
It's like being on an amusement park ride while fighting a giant skeletal beast.

>>253695768
>Literally death hanging over you all the fucking time
>Subtle
>All the creepy shit that happens at the beginning
>Subtle

>>253696046
yea, and it was fucking awesome.

Eh I like TP better. I prefer Zelda for general gameplay and dungeon crawling to NPC interaction and sidequests. WW undoubtedly has the better of the latter, but TP also undoubtedly has the better of the former. It really should come down to whether you prefer the older style Zelda (dungeon focus) vs. the newer (sidequest focus).

Of course, most of /v/ is hung up on graphics and how 'unique' games are, so there is little room to look at pros and cons of each here from a less superficially biased view.

>>253687516
twilight princess was just more fun_

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>>253687516
Most people on /v/ were born in 1990-1995 so WW was their first Zelda.
Sucks that people whose childhood was in the millenials put toon link above all other incarnations simply because they came into the series that late.

How is this even a debate? Anyone voting for TP should promptly kill themselves.

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>>253693247
>ww link needs gauntlets for that
>TP link only needs boots for traction to stop a goron, even a gigantic one with armor

>>253695803
WW has a little more depth than it initially seems. If you hold the control stick to the left or right while attacking, Link will do different spins and animations. Of course, this has nothing to do with difficulty or how enemies react but I thought it was interesting. Also items felt a lot more involved in combat, with the grappling hook stealing items and the boomerang being much faster than the TP variant. Also the Skull Hammer was fun to use and caused certain enemies to react differently.

All in all, I agree TP did better with the hidden skills but WW was a lot more than "press A to awesome".

>>253689141
>implying being in the sacred grove didnt feel good

i want to see the ruins of kokiri village

>>253696375
>better combat
>better atmosphere
>longer game
>better design
WW only has TP beat in terms of exploration and maybe side-quests, but even that's debatable

>>253695545

>He thinks MM fans are hipsters

No, /v/ made up some boogeyman that there are "grimdark hipsters" because it needs reasons to complain about shit instead of "I don't like this entry in the series" and leaving it at that.

WW felt like it had a lot more to do, while I got bored of TP after beating it fairly quickly. WW did have the treasure hunt parts, but they were more enjoyable than the shadow world segments of TP. WW had a way more fun story and you really felt like Link was learning to be a hero in it. It also has the coolest link. Going back to places all the time felt like tedious backtracking in TP, but in WW it felt like exploring or visiting home after a hard journey (Grandma was fucking awesome).

I'd say WW had the more fun items. While TP had the more unique items, they were overall less useful.

Personally TP really disappointed me because it was delayed in release and still wasn't long. Also the light world dark world gimmick and styling felt really played out since it wasn't new to Zelda and Metroid Prime 2 had recently done the same thing. WW styling was a breath of fresh air, and I liked how you could look at Link's facial expressions for context clues sometimes.

WW had better music.

>>253696347
Zelda games are a lot like Doctor Who. It's likely your first is going to be your favorite (of course, that's not always the case for everyone).

>>253687516
>Twilight Princess
>edgy

This word has lost all meaning

>>253695153
>I like my Zelda dark, beautiful and sad
Then you missed the point of Zelda, I hope you know those are the reasons MM sold like shit and everyone hates TP.

>>253696347
WW was my first but LttP and LBW are my favorites

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>>253696667
>better atmosphere
>better design
>longer = better

>>253690980
It's a damn shame that TP scrapped its moblins. They looked so cool in that first trailer.

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>>253696375
WW seriously isn't putting anything much better on the table. Come back when you explain why TP is bad.

>9 great dungeons that are unique from one another
>interesting shit to do between dungeons like purifying the land and Mass horse battles so iOS an actual adventure not just dungeon to dungeon
>enhanced combat techniques

The slow start seriously does not kill the game. I love WW too, but it's strengths are mostly plot and aesthetics

>>253687516
I loved the sidequests in WW more, so I chose WW.
Also: New Game +

>>253696740
>It also has the coolest link.
Not only that but also the most emotive. I'm fine with silent protags but in a story heavy game they have to be able to show emotion.

WW felt like the developers were still trying. Some parts weren't complete or that great, but it was still creative and interesting.

TP felt like they were sure just remaking OoT would be a successful. It was almost...lazy. And of course they removed a bunch of stuff: magic, controlling your own shield etc. It was a shame, because the same amount of effort, plus a bit of "passion", could have gone into making a brilliant game.

>>253696347
I was born in 1990 and my first zelda was the first one. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that people only played the games that came out at the time of their release when they were kids.

Wind Waker is the 2nd best 3D zelda

>>253696667
>Better combat

I'd take counters over special moves every day.

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>>253690721
Holy shit, the only person who would say the Oracles are better Mah Niggah

>>253697248
LA and Oracles didn't have magic, so TP is hardly the first to do that. And don't you dare tell me LA/Oracles aren't on the same level as the 3D games.

I think both WW and TP had a similar amount of incompleteness. The main difference is that we actually saw some of the things that were cut from TP.

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>>253697131
wasnt aware it had NGPlus, I just beat it then turned it off, whats in NGPlus mode

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>>253697387
But TP has those counters, they just aren't auto-activated, so it's actually better in TP

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>>253687992

I liked SS, fight me, faggot.

>>253697610
Alternate costumes for Link, Aryll, and I believe another character I can't recall.
Pictobox Deluxe straight off the bat
Translated Hylian Dialogue.

>>253696453
One's a child, the other is an adult.

>>253696650
Wind Waker would be better described as Ice Arrow to Hammer to Win.

>>253697818
Oh thats cool, Gonna do that when I go through Hero Mode then

>>253697818
Oh, and a few people actually comment on Link's alternate costume.
The Hero's clothes are on, it's just that not a lot of people can see it, so it looks like he's just in pajamas to most.

>>253687516
7 years ago the answer would have bee clear to me. Wind Waker is better. But playing the game again recently, I've discovered it has some major flaws. In particular, the entire last half of the game. The pacing is shot, the cut content is glaringly obvious, and at that point you've probably done all the exploration you care to, so you're just going through the motions. That said, the game is still magnificent on a first playthrough. The story is charming, and few Zelda games have offered exploration of that magnitude.

Twilight Princess had issues, too. The first half was bogged down by a lot of filler and cutscenes, not to mention awful "tears of light" collectathons. It really tests the player's resolve. Just how badly DO you want to get to the next dungeon? I recall putting the game down and picking it up 6 months later when I had worked up the fortitude at one point. That said, this game had some wonderful concepts, and top-notch dungeon design, and lots of content. I think it's due for a replay.

>>253697630
I did too, but I hope it's not your favorite, son.

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>>253697630
If you need an explanation as to why ppl don't like it (so that you don't sight that false cycle) it's the lonesome king of padding in Zelda. What wasn't padding was top tier, but the scales were really tipped against that.

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>>253687992
Why do you even need to bring SS into this anon?

>>253697818
I only remember Link getting an alternate costume.

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>>253697903
>implying WW link will get that exponentially stronger with age

>>253698078
Everything Wolf Link wasn't also padding?

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Man Im hyped as shit for Zelda U

>>253698156
Well, I'm not actively trying to be full of shit.

Most of the translated dialogue consists of the deities questioning whether this Link, unrelated to the Hero of Time is capable of defeating Ganondorf.

>>253697903
One is a child with magic gauntlets, the other is a teenager.
Niggas forget that no Link has been over 20 years old.

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>>253697996
I can understand if people hated the wolf segment, I felt they weren't that bad because they were at lest exploration, and overall it was rewarding and added to the adventure feel to see hyrule slowly purified as you explore it.

People also tend to forget there was a bunch of good things between dungeons like mass horse battles and wrestling.

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Who knew that just getting another of the same treasure you have already could be such a cool idea.

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Neither are as good as Minish Cap. Seriously, listen to this music and tell me you aren't crying from the beauty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku0pS3ko5CU

>>253698281

Wolf Link was such an underused asset of the game.

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>>253698281
>implying silent realm wasn't that on too of back tracking
and that's only a small part of skyward padfing

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>>253698607
>Wrestling
Thanks for reminding me, anon.
I still prefer WW

>>253694721
I know, but showing one of said inferior games doesnt fix it

>>253698607
I actually hated the wolf stuff most because it WAS exploration. Every new area you went to you were forced to root around in it as a wolf with the sole purpose to finding the tears. So you'd see all this stuff you'd want to interact with or explore further, but you can't because you're a wolf. Then you go back to the area as a human, and the sense of discovery is gone. I really hated that.

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Woah woah woah, Nintendo is working on 3 Zelda games right now

>>253698753
>all these unique tracks in MC
>the tracks in PH can almost be counted on both hand
What happened?

>>253698292
I skipped the Wii this generation as well as Skyward Sword and now my Zelda addiction is getting to me. So I'm looking forward to it myself.

Until then, I'm filling the gap with all the Zelda Game Boy games I missed out on.

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>>253697630
I liked too, I think it's better than TP by a long shot, but I really hope it's not your favorite son

>>253699017
>Zelda U
>???
>???

>>253699018
I call it Simon's Quest Syndrome

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>>253698047
>>253699132

Nice samefag

>>253696308
TP controls worse than WW though.

so what happened to Saria after LoZ: OoT? Did she have to stay in the forest temple for the rest of her life? eternity? or did she just disappear from all existence?

>>253699158
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23716/20140703/zelda-wii-u-release-date-3ds-news.htm
One is a 3DS game

>>253699018
The fucking DS Zeldas were made to force the touch screen gimmick in the worse way possible and to milk the series.

That's why they suck ass in every regard and the music is less than lack luster

>>253699018
How did Minish Cap do, sales-wise? I feel like it got overshadowed by both Twilight Princess, and the launch of the DS. I feel like they felt the effort wasn't worth the return.

Minish Cap and the Oracle Series kind of prove that Capcom should be allowed to make another Zelda.

>>253697903
WW Link is 10-12. TP Link is 16. The age difference isn't THAT big, not nearly as big a difference as those gauntlets make.

>>253699301
I disagree.

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I to this day haven't beat Wind Waker. It's an amazing game, but probably my lease favorite Zelda next to Phantom Hourglass. The sailing was boring to me and the Triforce Quest ruined my interest in the game. I found Twilight Princess to be completely enjoyable. No Triforce Quest, fun dungeons, Midna, biting shit, collecting insects, just a lot of things that were accessible and fun to do, that wasn't broken apart by sail sequences.

Again, Wind Waker is still an 7/10 game in my book.

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>>253699279
You failed, try again son

>>253699317

Depends. In the adult timeline, one can assume she and the other sages carried on their duties until they're time was up and successors came along. While in the child timeline, she likely never had to awaken as a sage, and may have been "passed over" for whatever the fuck those greek looking fucks were in TP. As for failure timeline, who knows. She and the others might have perished in helping to seal Ganon into the sacred realm.

>>253697242
I just think that WW Link is the coolest because he really wasn't supposed to be the new incarnation of the Hero iirc, so basically you're just some kid who has to put on a brave face, get some antique gear from old people in your village, and break into a fortress to rescue your sister, only to find out that you have to go up against an evil so powerful that the gods flooded the world to seal it.

>>253699473
The Capcom people that made those games have since been absorbed into Nintendo proper, anyways.

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>>253699631

>samefagging this hard

At least TRY to troll with some passion.

>>253699563
-insert mainstream I wish there were 7 dungeons for each piece of triforce- It's true though, I would've loved that.

>>253699643
Failure timeline each sage is a descendant of the OoT adult timeline sages.

>>253687516
>Twilight Princess
>edgy

ehehehhehee

First off Wind Waker was my first Zelda tha I sat down and beat. Otherwise, I knly played/seen/read about bits and pieces (my first encounter with anything Zelda was Link being in Smash).

Anyhoo, pros:
Wind Waker:
>Colorful, looks fun
>Large, very explorable open world
>Some islands have cool concepts and lore (like the fire island and ice island)
>Pictobox + figurines
>Best Ganondorf

Twilight Princess:
>Midna
>Realism looks pretty cool
>Link is a total badass
>Combinable items mixed it up a bit
>I enjoyed the slash motion controls, but other things like fishing were meh
>Teardrop sections were really fun

Cons:
Wind Waker:
>Sailing is a chore
>Most of the islands weren't really interesting
>No Jabun's Belly dungeon
>King of Red Lions won't let you explore until after the third dungeon or so

Twilight Princess:
>Only interesting town was Castle Town, most places were pretty empty
>That stupid jousting minigame I could not for the life of me git gud at
>You just beat Zant? Just kidding, it was I, Ganondorf!

They're both long to start, but I think that Wind Waker is more fun.

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Wind Waker is so obviously incomplete it's depressing. Not to mention almost all of its dungeons and main bosses suck complete ass.

Twilight Princess is a much more finished game, has lots of great dungeons, and fun bosses. It also has better and more fleshed out combat and item mechanics.

Overall Twilight Princess is a better game.

>>253699884

Says who?

>>253696347
Wind Waker may have been my first Zelda, but OoT Link is still GOAT Link.

>>253698753
I don't know what its called but I fucking love that bass-y sound in this games music

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>>253699762
I'm not (at least I hope) the only one who liked SS, son, but probably I'm the only one who liked it over TP.

And please, let's talk about the games, this is the first decent Zelda thread I've seen in ages

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>>253699437
>That's why they suck ass in every regard and the music is less than lack luster

Did you even play Spirit Tracks? It has an amazing soundtrack, and the game is pretty good if you can get past the touch controls.

>>253700208

Then stop with the shitty samefag reply of "IT BEST NOT BE YOUR FAVORITE, SON. HYUK!"

>>253700128
My dick

>>253700128
ALBW

>>253700275
>and the game is pretty good if you can get past the touch controls.
And the lack of proper exploration, and the lackluster dungeons, and the fucking central dungeon that is probably the most uninspired dungeon besides the ocean king dungeon.

Those two games were a piece of shit, they couldn't surpass MC

>Not enjoying both immensely

Plebs

Is it bad if not only I enjoy both but also SS?

>>253700481

Wonder if they really meant that or if someone wrote the line wrong. For one, that would mean Saria somehow reproduced, despite basically being a forest sprite or whatever you want to classify the Kokkiri as. And that Darunia's son, or his son's son fucked a human

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I liked both but who in the actual fuck would prefer TP over WW?

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>>253700664
I can vouche for this

>>253700208
I liked SS.
It had it's problems but it was still way more enjoyable than Twilight Princess.

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>>253700795
Read the thread. Reply to arguments

>>253700795

Someone with a differing opinion to yours?

Oh my, THE HORROR!

>>253700827
I wonder why TWW didn't have those boss title overlays. It's the hypest shit and needs to be a permanent fixture in 3D Zeldas.

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>>253700664
I concur

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>>253700827
>>253701021

Ma homies

>>253700984
Yeah I suppose you could have the opinion that toilet paper tastes better than steak, but you'd be wrong.

Wind Waker is the burrito in this situation.

>>253701008

Because outside of Ganon and Phantom Ganon they were all lame as fuck.

Do you honestly remember any of them?

>>253701008

>What in the fuck is this?
>JALHALLA

>>253700897
>>253700690
Yeah, one of the main problems in SS was how empty the sky was to the point where you wonder why they even bothered to include it.

But, how you aproach the world when you are in land is amazing, I really liked how the world itself becomes a puzzle to be solved, using different kind of shields for enemies, and the more methodical swordplay is amazing.

The story is some of the best in Zelda and the art style is fucking beatiful, but the DoF can be troublesome

>>253700795
edgelords.

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>>253700795
Me, I would. You got a problem with that?

>>253701216

>trivializing an opinion to a shit analogy

Such a classy faggo

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>>253701275
>do you honestly remember any of them

fuck yes I do

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>>253701443

I should not be laughing this hard.

Sometimes, you're alright /v/.

>>253701481
>trivializing an opinion on video games

Why not? Most of the work is done for me.

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>>253701409
>yeah! Memes!

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>>253701275
I do

>>253701568

What's funny about it? One's tim and shitric crap, the other is... some knob

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>>253700029
>>Teardrop sections were really fun

>>253701785
*teleports behind you*

"nothing personnel" i say, as i run my Vorpal Katana, folded over 5000000 times, through you

You begin to cry as you realize you have been defeated.

"heh what a coward you turned out to be" I scoff, walking away from your corpse.

"indeed" my blade howls in agreement.

>>253701617

Because it makes you look like a faggot who can't stand the concept that not everyone follows your closeminded way of thinking

>>253701886
I'm not closeminded, I just want to know why someone would think TP is better. But, you know, like a cliffnotes version so I don't have to read the whole thread.

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>>253701837

>ask a question
>get le fedora mccopypasta de la shitpost

Ok?

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>>253701793
They were exploration. People like that in zelda right?

In any case we have worse today( SS silent realm, which was backtracking)

>>253687992
Hey kid, wanna /ss/?

I hate when people call TP edgy or an OoT clone. It is neither.

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>>253701993

But plenty have already provided adequate reasons for why they like TP. If you don't agree, fine. But saying the opinion is shit is just foolish

The only reason I didn't like Twilight Princess initially was because of the staggered release from the Wii version to the GC version. I didn't have a Wii and I had to wait for what I considered no good reason. Mmm, teen angst.

>>253702092
It was forced exploration. Forced exploration sucks.

>>253701731
Are you frustrated Anon?

>>253702181
I never said the opinion was shit.

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>>253702121
Midna hair high five anon

>>253702226

You said some stupid analogy about toilet paper and steak

>>253702121
It's uh. kind of just a cheeky little thing since he calls wind waker kiddy as well.

board culture motherfucker do you speak it

>>253687516

TP is objectively better on almost every front. There's simply no argument to be made for WW except "muh nostalgia".

But nostalgia is /v/'s greatest weakpoint, so the flood of PS2 kiddies who grew up with WW sees to it that it remains top pick.

Both good for entirely different reasons. relative quality is subjective. I lean towards Wind Waker because it has a less insufferable intro and it makes better use of dungeon items. I haven't played TP in ages and have lost my Gamecube copy of it. I will replay it the minute I get a PC that can run Dolphin at more than 2fps

>>253702121
yeah, OoT was actually pretty good.

>>253702092

I love seeing this reposted

>>253701363
My only complain about SS was going to be about the motion control, it worked well enough (for me) most of the time, but it was very annoying (and tiresome) when it didn't.

>>253702494
It has it's fair share of flaws, but the game still holds up pretty well

>>253702189
Yeah, I hated that too. Us Gamecubefags got jipped with that game. On the bright side though, the Gamecube version is arguably better than the Wii version for the controls alone. This game just felt so much better with a controller and none of that motion crap.

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>>253702210
Well I mean, that's the type of shit you find yourself doing in the dungeons anyway.

>>253702289
There needs to be more of Link and Midna delicious vanilla sex. Fapfics, doujins, fanart, whatever.

>>253702602
The motion control was actually pretty neat, it added a good depth to the swordplay, what fucking annoys me is that sometimes it loses track when you are aiming

>>253702643
C-stick camera control was the biggest selling point for me compared to the Wii version. It was one of the reasons I loved Wind Waker

>>253702329
That wasn't directly related to TP, I was just saying that opinions aren't necessarily sacred, untouchable things. I think it's perfectly reasonable to call an opinion shitty or wrong at a certain point.

Not saying people who prefer TP over WW are stupid or wrong, but I just think it's confusing. Like how do look at a game with a great artstyle, and a big open world full of secrets, some cool active combat mechanics, and awesome items that had some use outside of the dungeons, and then go, "no, I want the one with the smaller, emptier world, lock-and-key dungeons that give you lock-and-key items, and more combat mechanics that require you to wait around until halfway through the game when you get all the good stuff." TP was a fine game but it just went backwards in nearly every conceivable way from WW.

>>253702764
But is that type of exploration really fit for the overworld?

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>>253702214
About having to call out a meme? not really. I guess you got me though.

>>253702764

I compared the heights of the characters in Wind Waker the other day. Tetra's crew of pirates are fucking manlets compared to most adults in the game.

I don't mean the little fuckers either I mean the big gay ones.

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>>253702773

There needs to be more of that in general for all of the girls

>>253702869
>>253702643
Too bad it doesn't run at constant 60fps

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Tetra has a nice butt.

>>253702958

It's still a petty thing to do. Unless the game in question is something truly terrible, like DmC, or BMX; XXX, there's rarely justification for shitting on someone's opinion

>>253703074
more

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>>253702972
I guess that's a valid complaint. No accounting for taste.

>>253703186
I'm not shitting on anyone's opinion in this particular thread.

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>>253703074

Too young there.

>>253703074
>that pale skin
absolutely disgusting

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>>253703074
2nd best body in the Zelda Universe

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>>253703074

In art, sure.

>>253703035
Neither version did. Don't spread misinformation.

>>253703283

PTOOIE

>>253702958
I could ask you why you prefer a Zelda game with a lack of dungeons, boring travel segments and shitty side quests over one with a ton of dungeons, better pacing and a far more polished feel. We'd be here all day.

Just accept it, and move on. You can enjoy WW and I'll be over here enjoying TP.

>>253703074
If I were Link I'd explore her dungeon by spreading apart her ass cheeks and defeat her pussy boss with my tongue sword.

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>>253703504

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>>253703594
>>253703594
>>253703594

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>>253703594

That's a little lewd ain't it?

>>253698663
Can we have a dual sword weilding link one day?

>>253703035
Why the fuck would I care about that? I don't play games for how smooth they run.

>>253703704
Only a little?

>>253689340
my nigga.
But played without volume, TP is a better experience than WW.

>>253703594
what if tetra didn't have a pussy dungeon

>>253703548
TP only had two more dungeons than WW, and WW had sidequest-y dungeons to make up for that anyway. Boring travel I'll give you but WW had more and better sidequests too, there were so goddamn few in TP it bummed me out.

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>>253703691

>not plundering her booty

What's it like being a queerosexual?

>>253703765
Legend of Zelda: Skyrim Sword might have that as an option

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>>253703773
Because he's a PC fag pretending to be a Nintendo fan

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I played TP on the Wii first, and I had no problems with the motion controls. I loved aiming with the pointer and the sounds coming out of the remote.

Then later I played it on Gamecube and now I just can't go back to the Wii version. Wagglan to use your sword is just too much of a hassle, and it isn't particularly responsive. I also hate playing without camera control.